Fox host wonders if Obama administration will send ‘spies’ to tea parties.
Fox host wonders if Obama administration will send ‘spies’ to tea parties.
Today, the Department of Homeland Security released a report on the growing influence of radical right-wing extremists. On Fox News this afternoon, guest host David Asman willingly tied the Fox-promoted, lobbyist-funded, “grassroots” tea party movement to such right-wing radicals, and suggested that the Obama administration might send “spies” to the tea parties to track extremists:
I’m looking at the report and it says, among other things, that the federal government is going to begin gathering information on right-wing extremist activity in the United States. Does that mean they’re going to be sending spies to these tea parties?
Asman continued to group conservatives with radical extremists later in the segment, asking whether the DHS report was just “an effort to shut up their critics.” Watch it:
Similarly, Michelle Malkin today referred to the report as the “Obama DHS hit job on conservatives.” TNR’s Jonathan Chait wondered why conservatives seem so happy to lump themselves with the “murderous lunatics” the report targets. “I kind of figured conservatives would try to define potential domestic terrorists as the fringe right,” Chait writes. “But there’s Michelle Malkin calling potential terrorists ‘conservatives.’”
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Spies won’t be necessary. He will only have to force himself to watch Fox.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:12 pmJust because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean
April 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmthey’re not out to get youyou’re not a complete imbecile.LMAO. Yes, the spies will be easy to spot. They will be the ones laughing hysterically, and pointing fingers, at the whitebread, backwoods rednecks protesting the government not allowing the richest 1% to keep their Bush-era tax cuts.
I for one support their right to fight for my tax cuts. The stupid of it all.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm:|
How exactly does one “spy” on televised events?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pmwas there ever a more aptly named Fox anchor than “David Ass-man”?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
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How exactly does one “spy” on televised events?
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No kidding. That was what I was thinking. It is being promoted on TV it is a public event and I dont even understand the use of the word spy in this context.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pmObviously the people at Faux have a problem with the idea of secrecy. Will the government sends spies to these protests?
Lets see, you and just about every right wing organization is sending out invitations. Spies! Infiltrating our call to insurgency! How dare they?
Film at eleven.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pmDid she say these tea parties were proven to be extremely effective?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pmWhat kind of “grassroots” movement can convince the 95% who got tax relief from Obama to protest against the increase in taxes to the 1%?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pmUnbelievable… Fox reporters have such wild and crazy fantasies. Boo.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pmyep – malkin stepped in it big this time…
Conservatives indict themselves with shrieking over DHS report on right-wing terrorism
By David Neiwert Tuesday Apr 14, 2009 11:00am
My my my. The right, led by Michelle Malkin, is up in arms over the Department of Homeland Security’s internal intelligence report on right-wing extremism and its post-Obama resurgence.
Malkin’s headline wails:
“The Obama DHS Hit Job on Conservatives Is Real”
So, I have a question for Malkin: Are you saying that mainstream conservatives are now right-wing extremists?
Because, you know, the report — which in fact is perfectly accurate in every jot and tittle — couldn’t be more clear. It carefully delineates that the subject of its report is “rightwing extremists,” “domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups,” “terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks,” “white supremacists,” and similar very real threats described in similar language.
Nothing about conservatives. The word never appears in the report.
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http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/conservatives-indict-themselves-shri
oops.
funny too. also.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pm“Conservatives indict themselves with shrieking over DHS report on right-wing terrorism”
Headline of the Day!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pm“They” are sending spies to find if the teabaggers have Earl Grey in the can.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pmDr. Moth Matt Says:
If Timothy McVeigh pulled off his attacks today, Anchor Baby Malkin and Glenn ‘Charles Manson’ Beck would be the first to claim he was a “patriot”.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
If he hadn’t happened to have killed all those kids, the Okies would have canonized him…
April 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmif it WAS on purpose, the admin picked a good time to put out this report… just might keep some of the radicals in line…
ha!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmLet’s see: you complain about your Government passing out two trillion dollars to the wealthiest American’s and you become a “radical right-wing extremest.” How does this not make sense? And, on top of that the left wingers implicitly support the unaccounted-for giveaways. Something’s been put in the water.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pmIsn’t it fitting that a bunch of nut-jobs want to have “tea-bagging” rallies?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pmWho is writing this garbage..
I feel like I am one of the little moronic birdies just laping up this undigested drival.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pmExcept for one thing.. I am not feeding on this false and misleading refuse.
Well if you’re not doing anything wrong, why would you worry about surveillance ?
In fact, using the mantra you’ve been singing for the last 8 years, there need to be monitoring cameras tied to every parking meter on your route.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pmDavid “Asman”?
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I’m trying to restrain myself here.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pmStraw Man – Obama trying to take the tea party away – not.
Straw Man – investigation into radicals is waste of tax payers money – not.
Why believe anything else she says.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmthom hartman has been suggesting, since yesterday, that progs should show up to these tea parties… he says the 2 sides share many complaints… using populist slogans such as “tax the rich”… find some common ground…
i dunno…
no way i’m showing up at my local teabagger party… too many people know me and my sentiments…
hopefully, my letter is in tonight’s paper… hopefully, i don’t get a rock thrown through my window…
April 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmThere haveing a teabagger party in my town I should go and get a bunch of mustace rides 5 cents but sell them only to the women….
April 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmThere was an election last fall that brought the American People out to vote for our new President. It didn’t take Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Dick Armey, or the FOX News Network to get the People out to vote.
So, if your guy won, you must be happy. If your guy lost, sorry, better luck next time. That is how it works in our Democratic system. That is how we maintain peace and order in our nation.
If you want to dispute the policies of the new administration (and there are certainly some that I do) then write your Congressman, or march in the street if you must. But, foment terror, or orgainized “revolution”, and face the consequences of the Patriot Act, which Bush put in place to protect the Nation against such homegrown terror.
Push it further and face the consequences that 3 pirates off the coast of Somalia chose. It’s a free country after all!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm@23 katydid Says:
I don’t think showing up at one of these things is going to help anything except the tea baggers. I’d like to know how they all feel about taxing the rich though.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pmDr. Moth Matt
So it makes you feel good now that BO is giving it to Goldman Sachs?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pmIt’s the reality version of Fox’s failed “1/2 Hour News Hour.”
The laughs, like the first incarnation, will also be inadvertent…
April 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pmBgBalla Says:
You ARE a moronic birdbrain. That is obvious. We dont care what you feed on but my guess is you do your feeding by listening to some rightwing radio screechmonkey. You KNOW you are too stupid to think for yourself so you tune into Rush or one of his ilk to find out what you think.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pmThe stage is being set. Faux is ready to cover the secret gatherings across the country they are helping to finance.
What if they don’t like tea?
Will they just ‘bag’ it?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pmGeorge Bush ruined everything. That’s what the tea party is all about.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pmThey are so freaking out.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI wonder what is causing it.
10hourday Says:
So it makes you feel good now that BO is giving it to Goldman Sachs?
I understand the limits of your intelligence – we all do. First off this is a thread about your cute little ‘tea parties’ not the financial meltdown created by your own ‘all hat and no cattle’ republican government. So stick to the topic, please – at least as far as your attention span will allow.
In addition, your elected government did what it thought was best for the future of the country – and maybe even you and your family. If you don’t understand how the financial crisis needed correcting, then go away and do some reading – or find someone to read it to you.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:50 pm@9:
April 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm“What kind of “grassroots” movement can convince the 95% who got tax relief from Obama to protest against the increase in taxes to the 1%?”
The kind that gets 50+% of its followers to vote for Palin as vp and potential pres? I can’t figure them out, but I also can’t help thinking that a single-issue view of the world is the source of their gross ignorance. Oh. That and the fact that they have El Rushbo to lead them through the long, dark nights of their discontent.
I hope this sh_t blows up in their faces!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pmJust think all the good they could be doing instead of encouraging these outrageous gatherings!
ape man – it occurred to me that many teabaggers may not like the idea of taxing the rich since so many have delusions of becoming “rich” themselves…
yea… right.
around here, farmland, the “taxing family farms” line has been a draw…
April 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pmWould that be anything like the “spies” that Bush sent into the anti war demonstrations opening case files on Quakers and other peaceful demonstrators?
I certainly hope that our government will be monitoring these gatherings. They would be stupid if they didn’t.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pmQuizmos Says: But, foment terror, or orgainized “revolution”, and face the consequences of the Patriot Act, which Bush put in place to protect the Nation against such homegrown terror.
Ironic, isn’t it? Caught in their own nets!
I can’t wait for them to start complaining about illegal wiretapping, being arrested and detained as “enemy combatants,” etc.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pmBasically, selfishness and fear. Bunch of weenies.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:03 pmThat’s a page from the Bush playbook. Only George W. spied on Quakers, nuns and other peace proponents.
Just like the FBI watched Jimmy Stewart’s “It’s a Wonderful Life” for its nefarious communist themes.
Revolution? America needs to throw the moneychangers out of our hallowed halls of government. That includes the TeaParty corporate sponsors.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:04 pmKeith H. Says:
They are so freaking out.
I wonder what is causing it.
The entire right wing is stuck in the second stage of grief over their terrible losses. That state is Anger. Some are still back in stage 1 – Denial. I doubt that any of them are ever going to get to acceptance. They would rather tear this country apart than to admit that they were defeated.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pmAsman continued to group conservatives with radical extremists later in the segment, asking whether the DHS report was just “an effort to shut up their critics
First of all, Asman wishes President Obama would just shut up critics the bush way: arrest them for no reason and hold them until the protests are over like they did to the protesters in St Paul this past summer…
Second of all: Asman?!?!?!Think he got teased in high school much?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pmof course there’s going to be spys at these events got to ween out the mcveigh’s and the like’s,,,you know gather intelligent information
FUNNY THING IS NO ONE WILL WANT TO BE SEEN ON TV, WATCH HOW MANY WAIST SHOTS AND QUICK SHOTS YOU SEE AND MOST REPUKLICAN’S WILL REFUSE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS GARBAGE LATER.
WONDER HOW MUCH SECRET MONEY THEIR LOBBYIST IS TRYING TO RAISE AND FOR WHO?
HERE’S WHAT ONE OF MY FAVORITE NOVELIST WROTE:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pmDespair is perfectly compatible with a good dinner, I promise you.
-William Makepeace Thackeray
I suggest this be the tea bagger’s official logo:
http://www.squeezeshirts.com/store/Imgs/Product_Imgs/gallery/ItsNuts-prod_1.gif
April 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pmhummphf.
the chicken shit rat bastids didn’t publish it.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pmSpying on a tea party?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pmI’ll go!
If I can lurk beneath the strumpets…
..er, I mean crumpets…
Well, I don’t know of any of these ridiculous tea bagger events here in Seattle, I doubt they could get more than 50 together for this crap here, but if I do see one, I will be sure and give them the ‘One Finger Salute’.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pmAbove the Clouds Says:
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What kind of “grassroots” movement can convince the 95% who got tax relief from Obama to protest against the increase in taxes to the 1%?
The ones that have lost their jobs because the owner of the company they used to work for that makes more than $250,000 let them go because he/she wants to continue making that much money.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pmi won’t be happy until they frog walk anchor baby malkin away from the scene.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pmOne winger on the following YouTube said he “knows for a fact” that 30,000 ACORN employees are going to come tomorrow to cause trouble:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR8l0YET668&feature=email
Oh suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they are! And I bet all of them will be easy to pick out, you know, they’ll be wearing freshly printed t-shirts that read, ‘ACORN EMPLOYEE’, meaning the right wingers made them up to make it appear like ACORN employees are the violent ones!
Glenn Beck was spewing the same bullcrap today on his show.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pmBased on what we’re hearing from this Tea Party is starting to shape up less like the Tea Party in Boston and more like the Tea Party in Wonderland.
Madhatter and all.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
why the long faces repulies,
April 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pmyou were all happy happy when 43 listed the sierra club and quakers as possible domestic terrorist organizations. isn’t so funny now that stormfront and the klan, also known as your base made the list though is it?
Is JohnM drunk?
Someone smell his breath.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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Is JohnM drunk?
Someone smell his breath.
Typical response.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
i won’t be happy until they frog walk anchor baby malkin away from the scene.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Mebbe she’ll go back to her first love, the 6th Fleet?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pmI doubt if they will get as many people as gay pride parades get!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:24 pmIf i were gonna crash a Tea Party, I’d wanna be wearing these…
April 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pmhey john m,
April 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pmyou have as much sympathy for the autoworkers in detroit about to lose their jobs or is yours selective (non-union) sympathy?
just wondering
StratRat
It must be comforting to be so simple minded and trivial as you appear. You obviously have not read, if you can in fact read, that the Tea Parties are the result of a misguided, corrupt giveaway of taxpayer dollars done in the name of “solving the financial crisis.” Do you not comprehend that Obama’s top economic adviser, Sommers and his Treasury appointee, Geithner are Wall Street cronies who just handed over billions of taxpayer dollars to their friends and associates. This is why people are protesting. And, by the way, about 30% of those protesting have been Democrats. So look, if you had trouble getting through the fifth grade, as you obviously did, just calm down in your quick posts. If you just work at it you could, just possibly, raise your IQ out of the 70s.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pmralph – so’s the employer who would let a worker go to save 3%…
selfish narrow minded short sighted idjits…
April 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pmIs JohnM drunk?
Someone smell his breath.
“Typical response…”
You get this response often do you?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm10hourday conveniently leaves out TARP was started under 43 with little ot no oversight
April 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
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hey john m,
you have as much sympathy for the autoworkers in detroit about to lose their jobs or is yours selective (non-union) sympathy?
just wondering
No, because the union workers are a large part of the reason of the fall of the auto industry by increasing expenses to an unattainable level. No business can survive with such a large percentage of their expenses being salary/benefits.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pmSo apparently in Malkin & Beck land, one cannot be a terrorist if you are a radical conservative.
But anyone who opposed right-wing policies is most definitely a terrorist.
Interesting world they have created for themselves.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm@52 JohnM
Under staffing? Or shedding dead wood? He’ll get competitive or close shop.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:28 pmTom Hartman is looking for common ground at the rallies because, that’s how you handle a cult interventions with family members…these are cultist of sort, even though they don’t live on a compound and wear matching outfits…oh wait…they wear uniform styles of fashionable labels and live in gated communities…let me start again…
Tom Hartman is looking for common ground because that’s the way you handle cult interventions with family members…it’s sort of like they are caught like a pincer-like setting perceiving that the people who inflicted all the distress, disconnect are perceived as the people who can provide relief…sort of like the Stockholm Syndrome. You can’t talk them out of the fact that they are held hostage by Fox News and it’s propaganda sponsors…Tom is a good soul who wishes for intervention before we have another Waco.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pmApe-Man Says:
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@52 JohnM
Under staffing? Or shedding dead wood? He’ll get competitive or close shop.
When expenses go up in one area (tax expense) then another area must be trimmed. Salaries is the most likely because they are often the most controllable expense.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm10hourday Says: “If you just work at it you could, just possibly, raise your IQ out of the 70s.”
Sounds like you’re working too hard. Beating your head against a wall should only occupy a maximum of an hour a day. Like your lunch hour.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pmHeads up to the paranoid loonies on the right:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:30 pmobama’s “spies” don’t have to show up to your teabagging parties, he’s been warrantless wiretapping your phone lines for months. whoops, that was your idol 43, sorry
The update by Weigel needs to be emphasized:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:30 pmNow that the right wingers have their knickers in a twist over the warning report from DHS (if the shoe fits…)
they need only to review the rhetoric coming from their spokesmen in riling up the public on a phony issue as the one scheduled tomorrow.
People will be protesting tomorrow, and they are entirely misguided. They believe the bile spewed from the rightwing and therefore, they will work against their own best interests, and perversely work for those whose interests are purely self-directed and anti-average-American.
The entire event and its promotion is perverse – and unfortunately the Fox viewers are too ignorant to see it.
Profit is just as controllable, and benefits the fewest.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmRepublican are embracing revolution. Imagine what an uproar if liberals were calling for a revolution against Cheney, Bush, et al. They would be calling for mass etradordinary renditions. What a bunch of idiots.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmJohnM Says:
“No business can survive with such a large percentage of their expenses being salary/benefits.”
do you have the same point of view concerning the wages of CEO’s?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmWaynebro,
April 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pmYou have captured the essence of the demonstration.
the union workers were getting $200million sign on bonuses???
wow… what pr!cks!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pmJohnM, perhaps if you stopped drinking in public, having someone question your sobriety would begin to seem atypical. No?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:33 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
10hourday conveniently leaves out TARP was started under 43 with little ot no oversight
Unplug those ears: Bush and Paulson should be on trial as we speak for their corrupt handouts. When BO took office I expected him to go after them both and get some of the TARP handouts back. But what does BO do? He passes out another one trillion and cuts a deal with the Republicans to not tell the American public where the money is going. And what do you do? You defend the corruption.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm@71 JohnM
Companies will have to adjust profits, just like the rest of us have to do. we all have to tighten those belts, not just household budgets.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pmApe-Man Says:
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Profit is just as controllable, and benefits the fewest.
How is profit controllable? Revenue minus expenses equals profit. It is dependent on revenue and expenses. Why would a business exist if it doesn’t make a profit? Profit beneficial to many.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pmEd Schultz interviewed an official of the AFL-CIO (sorry, I forgot his name) who related the story of an executive who died, but his family continued to receive his $40 million bonus INCLUDING the $18 million “non-compete” clause – I guess they thought he could land a job in the afterlife with a competitor.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:35 pmBozo, in other words… yes, John’s is a selective sympathy.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm10hourday Says:
“I expected him to go after them both and get some of the TARP handouts back.”
and how would the new administration do that prey tell? ask nicely? when threatened the right got all up in arms claiming the CEO’s deserved the bonuses from TARP funds.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pmOf course there will be spies.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:38 pmThey will the ones holding the signs that say Obama=Hitler, and all the other ones that the MSM will make into a big deal. The signs that the MSM will use to make these people look like terrorists, and racists.
10hourday,
April 14th, 2009 at 7:38 pmI don’t think you understand the complexity and enormity of the problem. Would you have had the new president nationalize all the financial industry, install an entirely fresh squad of reformers in all the key posts, and expect the nation to go along?
If you say let them all go bankrupt, we would enter another Great Depression.
The antidote to that is huge government spending.
john m,
April 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmcan you please name one autoworker who received a 20 million dollar “golden parachute” last year? how about a “retention bonus”?
@82 JohnM
Why would a business exist if it doesn’t make a profit?
That’s a straw man agrument. Taxes will go up a few percent for those making big money.
What will happen is that companies will work a little harder, just like families.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmFox isn’t very subtle with the film footage it shows in the background. Too bad they only had footage of police brutality in ENGLAND to show on the screen as the wacko lady spewed her fear-mongering. They should have their licence yanked, so to speak.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmChicano2nd Says:
Republican are embracing revolution. Imagine what an uproar if liberals were calling for a revolution against Cheney, Bush, et al.
they WERE calling for revolution… but without the megaphone of the SCLM (So Called Liberal Media) there was not near this much publicity… remember?
i admit to being a little bit jealous about that too…
April 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmkatydid Says:
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the union workers were getting $200million sign on bonuses???
wow… what pr!cks!
It is pointless to compare a union worker pay and the CEO of a corporation because the volume of the union workers. The salary expense for the executives pale in comparison to the expenses from the union workers. It is also simple supply and demand. The union workers do not posess the education, skill and experience the CEOs have and their individual performance is not directly tied to the success of the company. The CEO of a company has a great deal more responsibility and power, they should be compensated a lot more.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 pmthey are SO scared of Acorn – of all people!
You can go to the Acorn site, click on any of their city branches, and see the list of all their employees. I doubt if they have 300 nationwide. Yes, they have volunteers – mostly older black church ladies in hats if my local chapter is any indication.
Right-wingers are chicken-hearted cowards.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 pmStampede88<———assclown with a white supremist name would gladly let hitler teabag him
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 pmLooks like JohnM has gone back to get his associates in accounting. He knows about revenues and expenses!
To bad your idiot party doesn’t!
Please do not lecture anyone on how to run an economy. That’s like a drunk going on about the dangers of drinking.
I simply can’t fathom how you continue to extol the virtues of supply side trickle down economics, a DEMONSTRABLE AND ABJECT FAILURE of an economic philosophy!
Why are you so afraid of change? Certainly you aren’t advocating going back to what we’ve been doing 21 of the last 29 years?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pmjohn m take your best guesstimate:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pmwhat does the average union floor worker at a detroit automaker earn a year?
In theory, yes.
In practice, not so much:
THE LAST 30 YEARS HAS SEEN A TREMENDOUS RISE in income and wealth disparity in the United States, and around the world.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmRepublicans, Malkin, Beck, etc. are such absolute losers. They really think Obama in a few weeks had time to even care about them? Why would anyone care about insane, delusioned, out-of-touch wackos? Good Lord these people are full of themselves.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pmIn 1980, CEOs at Fortune 500 firms were paid 42 times the average worker’s salary. By 2007, they were being paid on average 364 times as much.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4306/give_ceo_pay_the_pink_slip/
April 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pmmarie – a year or so ago, i was talking to a car dealer, i’d just heard a news report about Ford taking on a new CEO – with a HUGE MEGA MILLION DOLLAR sign on bonus…
he said, “well, he must be worth it to the company”
me, “but ford just had to lay off hundreds of workers!!!
that is just a SIN.”
April 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pmAnd yet, the trolls just can’t see the problem with FAUX and Reichradio spewing their shtick. How many more mass shootings will it take? Has anyone even heard of Anthony Powell among all the carnage?
He only killed one innocent victim and himself so he hasn’t been widely reported. But he might be the most frightening example yet of what happens when the mentally ill are fed hateful garbage.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/METRO01/904130324/&imw=Y
April 14th, 2009 at 7:50 pmHey John,
I have a business and to ensure it’s continued success I plow 98% of it’s profits back into the business. I update and purchase new machinery, I hire additonal workers, I put in more hours to find new leads.
I don’t take that 98% sit back buy a new home, a new car and pay mself 5000 freakin times what my workers make.
Your a friggin idiot. No wonder american businesse’s need a bailout.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:50 pmCan you hear it…that is the start of the freight train…starting up…
It will slowly gain speed as it heads to the mid-term elections in 19 months. You Libs have continued to overplay you’re hand…and have already LOST the Independent voters you convinced to vote for the ObamaNation.
The backlash is coming in the next election and you will lose the House…2 years before Newt takes over the Presidency!
It will once again…Suck to be you!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pmLets see, you and just about every right wing organization is sending out invitations. Spies! Infiltrating our call to insurgency! How dare they?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pmYou should get blogspot to translate you, Reality check.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pmRealityCheck@104,
you clowns have been spouting that for the last two election cycles. how’d that work out for you?
the repukies are nothing more than a regionalized, marginalized party and most likely will be for the next 20-30 years.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:54 pm@104 realitycheck
Hehe. He said “You Libs”. so what are you then? You got a name for yourself?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:54 pmHow’s this for a response, JohnM?
Tax rates on corporations have literally NOTHING to do with employment rates. That’s just a line that they’ve fed you and clearly you swallowed.
Here’s an education for you.
A company that builds and sells widgets employs 50 people. All the money that people pay them to make widgets is called “revenue.” All the money that is spent in the operation of the business, including materials for widgets, payroll for EVERYONE including the owners, advertising, and even non-monetary transactions like depreciation of assets, are called “expenses.” You take the revenues, subtract the expenses, and you have what’s called “net income.”
THAT’S the money that’s taxed. If someone tells you that they can’t afford to keep you employed because their corporate income taxes went up, they are nothing more than a liar, because your wages come out of the revenues BEFORE the net income is taxed. What they are doing is trying to eek out slightly more after-tax profits to distribute to shareholders as dividends. That’s right, they don’t give a shit about you or your lack of tax knowledge, and they never did. They will lie to your face because they know you don’t know any better.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pmnoseeum, I think if you just correct all the little spelling and grammatical errors you can get a sense….
nah, no go. Still gibberish.
Sorry, I tried.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pm“…Newt takes over the Presidency!”
…the presidency of the Vacant Strip Mall Owners of Greater Amarillo.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:57 pmLet’s give it another go…
Hmm… does this mean that at the current moment, RealityChecked, it sucks to be YOU?
Kinda sounds like it.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmRalph,
It’s not the moment, it always sucks to be realitychecked.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pmThese people are projecting. It is what the Criminal Cheney and the RepubliCons, like Faux, would do.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pm@109 smidget Says:
Excellent explaination. Game and match.
OK, you got any other concerns with the gevernment JohnM?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pmWhy does it suck to be RealityCheck? because he ain’t about ta do no learnin’.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm@RealityCheck 104
President Obama has a 62% approval rating. Approximately 40% of voters are Democrats. I’m sure you are prepared to explain to us exactly where the remaining 20-some-odd% of pollers are if not independents, aren’t you?
I was just kidding. I know you’re not. You’ve got no actual answers. When confronted with facts, your arguments fall apart, probably because they aren’t actual arguments, but rather vitriolic screeds you’ve plucked from your anal cavity just for the occassion.
How many hours a day do you have to sit with your head shoved up your rectum to be able to make up as much stupid shit as you manage to? Also- how do you find time to type your screeds with so much time devoted to the aforementioned head-in-rectum-lie-spinning sessions?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pmJohnM makes minimum wage and defends those making 20m a year. The freedomworks/teabaggers dream.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pmThank you, Ape-Man.
I get tired of hearing the same old arguments, especially when they’re not grounded in reality.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:07 pmRealityCheck Says:
Can you hear it…that is the start of the freight train…starting up…
It will slowly gain speed as it heads to the mid-term elections in 19 months. You Libs have continued to overplay you’re hand…and have already LOST the Independent voters you convinced to vote for the ObamaNation.
The backlash is coming in the next election and you will lose the House…2 years before Newt takes over the Presidency!
Just think, tomorrow you get to teabag those crystal balls of yours!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pmWhy does Fox and the other corporate sponsors for this supposedly grass roots tea party think it is of importance for one to send spies?
This IS really getting funny.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pmJohnM Says:
The CEO of a company has a great deal more responsibility and power, they should be compensated a lot more.
Even if that company was to fail?
If a CEO of a company really did care about the company, had a sense of responsibility to the company…he’d understand that the company needs the money a whole lot more than he does. He would take a pay cut to ensure that the next head on the chopping block is not his own.
RealityCheck Says:
Can you hear it…that is the start of the freight train…starting up…
It will slowly gain speed as it heads to the mid-term elections in 19 months. You Libs have continued to overplay you’re hand…and have already LOST the Independent voters you convinced to vote for the ObamaNation.
The backlash is coming in the next election and you will lose the House…2 years before Newt takes over the Presidency!
It will once again…Suck to be you!
Good to see you’ve taken the time machine to 2012, RealityCheck. You’ve apparently told us how this all works out. Thanks for the warning. Now how about helping us with the country instead of just watching from the sidelines? A bridge gets built a lot faster when everyone helps.
And a locomotive is nothing without a destination and a leader to slow the runaway train when it gets close to the station.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pmIs it me, or are these tea parties gaining momentum? Am I wrong to be scared? I thought these hard right nut jobs were a small coterie. Are there really that many of them? Am I that naïve?
I guess Fox News does have viewers or they wouldn’t be on the air, but I honestly thought that these tea partying simpletons were a small faction of the right wing. If the entire viewing public of Fox News are this radical, then I am officially scared.
Are their numbers growing? Are we going to have to worry about another president like Bush? Or worse?
Someone talk me down before Rachel Maddow comes on. She has the innate ability to scare the shit out of me. (Seriously – watching her before the election had me a nervous wreck and convinced Obama would never get elected for one reason or another.)
April 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pmIt’s been a while but I finally had the chance to choose Fed Ex (which is right down the street) or UPS for a shipment and it went UPS!
A belated thank you to UPS.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
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john m take your best guesstimate:
what does the average union floor worker at a detroit automaker earn a year?
$40,000-$50,000
April 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pmPurple State Says:
Even if that company was to fail?
If a CEO of a company really did care about the company, had a sense of responsibility to the company…he’d understand that the company needs the money a whole lot more than he does. He would take a pay cut to ensure that the next head on the chopping block is not his own.
If a company fails they should not retain their CEO. As I said they are directly tied to the success or failure of company. More so than an average worker, so they should let go when the company does not succeed.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:12 pmThis is a message to tea party attendees who may be monitoring this site.
Of course, there will TOTALLY be spies at the tea parties,in fact most people will probably be spies, even perhaps family members you came with. Trust no one, give no one your correct name and don’t agree with anyone, even if they are saying something you agree with. That will thwart the spies. And you can trust that there really are spies because you read it in an anonymously submitted comment on a liberal site.
THAT PROVES IT’S TRUE!!!
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johnM Says:
The ones that have lost their jobs because the owner of the company they used to work for that makes more than $250,000 let them go because he/she wants to continue making that much money.
Proof?
You don’t think that business owners hold a salary of more than $250,000? If their taxes go up they must lower expenses someplace else. The most likely place is in their salary expense. This is basic economics. They could also increase the price of their product or service which leads to consumers having to pay more.
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JohnM makes minimum wage and defends those making 20m a year. The freedomworks/teabaggers dream.
I make about $78,000 a year. My boss makes close to $400,000 and he will continue making that much. He will simply minimize expenses in personnel.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pmReality Check, JohnM, and the rest of the right wing nutjobs are really starting to show signs of strain.
Their world is crumbling around them; society is changing and they just can’t make the adjustment.
So they lash out; they flail and flounder, wallowing in self pity. Shamelessly laying blame for their own actions on others, much as a young child would do to get out of a good spanking.
I have no pity for you fools. Only regret that the human race can produce such a worthless bunch of ignoramuses.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pmLiberal Kelly Says:
Is it me, or are these tea parties gaining momentum? Am I wrong to be scared? I thought these hard right nut jobs were a small coterie. Are there really that many of them? Am I that naïve?
Calm down, Kelly. In reality, I doubt we will get the correct numbers regarding the people attending these tea parties. Either the tea parties in the major cities will spawn smaller private tea parties that get under-reported, or Fox, CNN and MSNBC will disagree on the real numbers.
What we can say is that we won’t know until these are over. This is not the end of the world. This may be, as Joe Biden may have hinted to, the big challenge that the Obama Administration is meant to overcome in his first months in office. Policy is hard to judge right now, and panic is the one thing that both sides want.
Just take a deep breath. Heck, if it really is hard to take, there is no one taping your eyelids open. But also remember that there is also no one sewing them shut. Be the independent person you are and take everything in stride.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pmLiberal Kelly,
They are way exaggerating their numbers. I watched Chris Mathews the other day (and I usually regret it) and he was talking about gatherings that already took place saying 15,000 people here, 10,000 there.
Absolute nonesense.
Then he shows footage of one of these so called teaparties and theres about 50 people milling around holding signs. If people weren’t paid to attend no one would show up.
However, there are always a few crazies, and that is scary.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm@131 JohnM
Only if he didn’t need the personel in the first place. He would be faced with the same production level with less people. Someone has to take that slack.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pmJohnM,
“I make about $78,000 a year. My boss makes close to $400,000 and he will continue making that much. He will simply minimize expenses in personnel”
Better get that resume ready.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pmMy company is letting folks take the day off tomorrow so that we can participate in the tea party rally downtown!
China wants a new global currency because the US government has gone completely mad.
The nationwide tea parties are grassroots efforts so that the government can hear the voices of the people who pay the taxes! It’s a message to Congress to STOP the lunacy. It’s a message to Obama to hold Congress in check. Quit wrecklessly spending our money, our kids’ money, and our grandkids’ money.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pmsmidget Says:
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How’s this for a response, JohnM?
Tax rates on corporations have literally NOTHING to do with employment rates. That’s just a line that they’ve fed you and clearly you swallowed.
Here’s an education for you.
A company that builds and sells widgets employs 50 people. All the money that people pay them to make widgets is called “revenue.” All the money that is spent in the operation of the business, including materials for widgets, payroll for EVERYONE including the owners, advertising, and even non-monetary transactions like depreciation of assets, are called “expenses.” You take the revenues, subtract the expenses, and you have what’s called “net income.”
THAT’S the money that’s taxed. If someone tells you that they can’t afford to keep you employed because their corporate income taxes went up, they are nothing more than a liar, because your wages come out of the revenues BEFORE the net income is taxed. What they are doing is trying to eek out slightly more after-tax profits to distribute to shareholders as dividends. That’s right, they don’t give a shit about you or your lack of tax knowledge, and they never did. They will lie to your face because they know you don’t know any better.
Not really accurate. An owner of a small to medium sized company will typically pay themselves a salary and they are looking to make a profit. In order to do so they will lower their EBIT by cutting their salary or cutting employees. Obviously the amount that they pay in taxes is tied to their earnings before income taxes, but they will not want to lower their salary so they will cut employees. So the tax rate has a definite relation to most small to medium size businesses because most owners pay their salary this way through the business. Also the money that is earned after taxes (profit) is often used in profit sharing such as 401K matches or payouts to employees in ways of bonuses. This is all based off of after tax revenue.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pmMarwick, now that’s funny!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pmApe-Man Says:
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@131 JohnM
Only if he didn’t need the personel in the first place. He would be faced with the same production level with less people. Someone has to take that slack.
Exactly, employees will be asked to do more with less so the business can stay profitable.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pmThese folks are suffering from Salem Witch Trial syndrome! Ignorance, fear, and rumors fueling the worst of what’s in us.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pmEARTH TO JOHNM!!!!!!!!
INCOME TAXES ARE NOT EXPENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is your problem, dude? I just explained this to you.
If they’re cutting back on expenses, it’s because either their current expenses have gone up, or their revenues have gone down, NOT because taxes went up. Taxes are totally independent of operations. Actually, when expenses do go up, net income goes down, and SO DO TAXES.
Please stop. You clearly have no clue what in the hell you are talking about, and it’s getting embarassing.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pmWhat lunacy? Please provide examples of this “reckless spending” that the wild Congress has passed. Yesterday we were all gonna die because he won’t spend enough on F-22s.
No wait, it was because he wasn’t willing to give difficult orders in a hostage situation.
No wait, gay marriage…
April 14th, 2009 at 8:28 pmI guess this is totally un-american of me, but I took a huge cut in salary last year so I could make an enormous inventory and machinery purchase. Naturally, to process all the material and use the machinery I had to hire more people.
Of course in the long run it will pay off. I’ll be way ahead of my competition. I wonder JohnM, do you need glasses, you seem rather shortsighted.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pmThe nationwide tea parties are grassroots efforts so that the government can hear the voices of the people who pay the taxes!
And their lobbyist handlers. This all about political power, and conservatives being near-powerless. It has little to do with government spending, because these folk were silent during the off-budget spending sprees of the Bush years. But they have an easily led cohort, who respond best to fear, and so we have corporate lobbyists stoking the rubes into an ill-though frenzy.
I really feel sorry for the middle class conservatives, who only respond to fear. They will make every attempt to stall the recovery, not knowing they are only hurting themselves.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm@140 JohnM
Not the employees John, they won’t have to do more than their jobs, unless the employer is some kind a jerk. The employer will have to pull up his sleeves. It’s not the employees fault he is making lots of money.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm10hourday Says:
“Unplug those ears: Bush and Paulson should be on trial as we speak for their corrupt handouts. When BO took office I expected him to go after them both and get some of the TARP handouts back. But what does BO do? He passes out another one trillion and cuts a deal with the Republicans to not tell the American public where the money is going. And what do you do? You defend the corruption.”
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First of all your really should get your facts correct and stop listening to your “daddy” limpbone.
The bailout program started under bush’s watch.
paulson wrote the TARP Bill in favor of Wall St. who put the deal in the language of the TARP Bill to cover his mistakes, if you ever read the actual bill you moron. and bush just signed the bill not knowing what he had signed.
bare in mind that only half the tarp funds has been used. Banks were turning down tarp funds and some banks are ready to give back the funds.
and it was the republicans that caught with their pants down when the economy tanked and didn’t know what to do.
passes another one trillion and cuts where, do explain? You’ve been really brainwashed, bush left a lot of bullshyt on the table.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pmmarwick Says:
My company is letting folks take the day off tomorrow so that we can participate in the tea party rally downtown!
You’re free to do what you want, marwick. Protest is defended by free speech, and one is free to express themselves for a common goal. I won’t be at these parties, because I have work that needs to be done.
That being said, I hope you understand the point of these parties is to protest over taxes. This is not to argue that Obama is a secret Muslim, a totalitarian Marxist, or an illegal alien. This is not to attack people personally or threaten others with violence. After all, the original Boston Tea Party wasn’t a physical attack but a metaphorical attack.
Sadly, I’m afraid the metaphor is being lost.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pmYou’re, quite simply, wrong. It’s really strange, because the argument you are making is presented entirely backwards.
Income taxes don’t affect expenses, they aren’t an expense, and they are calculated after all expenses (with exception to a few like officer’s life insurance premiums that are non-deductible) have been deducted. Salaries ARE expenses, and cutting them will not lower your EBIT (assuming that you mean Earnings Before Interest and Taxes), because you are cutting an expense that would be lowering it the earnings. By cutting those expenses, you INCREASE your EBIT.
Most small businesses actually don’t try to make a profit, they try to break even or have a loss, precisely because they don’t want to pay taxes. That doesn’t mean they are losing money, because they get to take non-monetary expenses like depreciation, which lowers their income but doesn’t affect their cash flows, but what it does mean is that every expense helps.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pmAn owner of a small to medium sized company will typically pay themselves a salary and they are looking to make a profit. In order to do so they will lower their EBIT by cutting their salary or cutting employees. Obviously the amount that they pay in taxes is tied to their earnings before income taxes, but they will not want to lower their salary so they will cut employees. So the tax rate has a definite relation to most small to medium size businesses because most owners pay their salary this way through the business.
I asked my stepson about this (he owns three very successful fastfood franchises in Tulsa) and he said tax rates have little to do with hiring decisions. But perhaps that’s just in the fastfood industry.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pmI just have to ask, again, why are they busing people to some of the events? What kind of masochists take a bus to protest government spending?
BTW. I used to know a guy called “Slippery”. It wasn’t meant as a compliment.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pmSo, two things–are conservatives rightwing radicals? because I don’t see how you can avoid reading Malkin’s comments in that way. The second thing, these people are clearly insane. I try so hard to be moderate in my appraisals, but c’mon! Waynebro was very apt in his comparison of these tea parties to the one in Alice in Wonderland–these people could use some psychological evaluation.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pmAlso, I don’t know where you heard that, but 401(k) contributions aren’t made out of after-tax income from an employer standpoint. They are a deductible expense to the employer, and are most frequently contracted amounts (like a matching arrangment). Bonuses are a deductible expense, too, also taken before taxes are figured.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pmAll this tax talk is confusing. I just own a busness and trust my CPA. I tell him every year to just prepare them accurately, if I owe anything I’ll pay it, if I don’t I won’t.
Pretty un-american again, right JohnM. I mean, shouldn’t I be doing everything possible not to pay taxes? Isn’t that what your party stands for?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:45 pmslippery Says:
Dr. Moth Matt Says
stfu.
“Save Tea From Unions”?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pmNobody cares what wingers are doing. They are protesting tax cuts that went into effect two weeks ago. The tax code is the same as what Dubya implemented. They are so silly, nobody pays any attention to them.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pmHard to believe he can even count to $78,000, and much harder to believe he makes that. I would be very afraid having a person that dim in a position of responsibility.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pmRapture Ready says: this country with the help of Jesus(Taxes, etc.).
Jesus never existed.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pmAnd if he did, he would be a liberal.
I’ll be spying on the tea party tomorrow. I’ll be taking at least 3 shots of every participant, 1 an extreme close up. Then I’ll be uploading copies to the DHS, the FBI and George Soros. You’ll never know who I am because I’ll be disguised as a Fox reporter.
Dragonflies are sneaky that way! :)
April 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pmMaybe to keep us aware and protected from you crazy, gun-toting, Bible-thumping, racist crazies?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pmLiberal Kelly Says: If the entire viewing public of Fox News are this radical, then I am officially scared.
A lot of my friends, and friends of friends… get their information from Fox News and various email newsletters from their shows and other conservative groups. You know, organizations that always have the words “Patriot,” “Family” or “American” in them somewhere.
And yes… they believe what they’re told is factual and accurate. I’ve argued with them, but it’s pointless. In the end, they’re really not interested in facts, but rather only in the emotional “kick” or high they get by believing in the stories they’re fed. It’s like a drug to them. Telling them it’s unhealthy and destructive just falls on deaf ears.
Fortunately, most are quite content to condemn and blame through gossip over dinner. I can’t envision any of the conservatives I know actually going to one of these events.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pmThat left wing media that gave Dubya a free ride for eight years? The fact that the taxes have not changed under Obama except for a recent tax cut for 95% of Americans and the fact the TARP happened in September last year, before Obama was elected, I see a whole lot of ignorance going on but if that makes wingers happy, they won’t be whining as much tomorrow. Just remember raptureready, you lost. You are part of a permanent minority because your party failed miserably the past eight years and you can either start being with us, who elected this president, or you can continue being a miserable whiner for a long, long time.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pm…to hold Congress in check. Quit wrecklessly spending our money, our kids’ money, and our grandkids’ money.
EXACTLY!
WE’VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU RIGHTIES TO THINK THAT WAY
FOR E I G H T L O O O N G Y E A R S !!!
fook off and get outta the way.
let someone ELSE have a try – cause YOU FAILED.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pmHey RaptureReady:
Are you going to any Wednesday night prayer services tomorrow?
If you are let me know where, OK? I’ll meet you there and we can compare note on how to pick up religious girls. Or we could do a m4m if you want. Or maybe both!
Let me know, for it is the name of Jebus I ask!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pmHmm. The racist far right is being leveraged against the anti-government far right. The anti-government people should probably wake up and do their best to distance themselves from their racist brethren (I’m sure there’s quite a bit of overlap) if they want anyone to support their efforts to fend off fascism.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:06 pmRaptureReady Says:
Tonight, look your child in the eye and tell her that a good portion of her future earnings will be gone because of the selfishness of you and your liberal brethren. Let me know how you feel.
My children are already asking why my retirement 401K lost 40% of it’s value on my September 30, 2008, statement while Bush was still in office. For your information, Jesus was a liberal.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
April 14th, 2009 at 9:07 pmOh fantastic, now I am really for NSA … Now Spying on Americans!
Living it and Loving It!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm168 RaptureReady
Selfishness is a republican trait. Actions speak louder than words.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:09 pm@177 Obama_mania_RockStar
Are you a bushie or something? They claim the tea party has nothing to do with president Obama.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pmThe devil made me do it hell, I AM THE DEVIL.
And you dear Daryll are an idiot.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pmHey Daryll, there’s something I’ve been meaning to ask you…
several months ago, in late December to be exact, you made the following statement:
I thought that was pretty neat, and I’ve been looking for that passage ever since. Can you point out exactly where that phrase appears… book, chapter, verse…?
thanks ever so much.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pmRaptureReady Says:
Tonight, look your child in the eye and tell her that a good portion of her future earnings will be gone because of the selfishness of you and your liberal brethren. Let me know how you feel.
“Are human beings selfish?” – Plato
Selfishness, I believe, is a habit of humans that is defined not by their party or affiliation but by their own beliefs. And to be selfless, in my opinion, involves the following quote:
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” – Matthew 7:1
Tonight, I go to bed loving everyone. I hope you do too, RaptureReady.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pmWingers are much like the Pharisees it the Bible but they are too hypocritical to see it.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
April 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pmListening to the trolls here serves to further my belief in that we have become a nation half filled with morons.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but maybe the republican party had this all planned out. Say for example 50 years or so ago, some small group of right wing politicians got together and secretly planned to destroy our public school system so as to produce a nation of idiots that would believe anything that was fed to them. Fast forward to 2009 and here you have it. A nation half filled with morons with their heads stuck so far up their asses that all they see is shit. They’re spoon fed propaganda which they believe to be absolute truth and will go to their graves without ever knowing that they have been royally screwed.
However, being a product of the public school system (in rural Tennessee, no less) within the last 25 years, my theory is shot!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pmThe Republicans ACTIVELY use projection all…the…time. This is right out of propaganda techniques, and 1984. Accuse your opponent of PRECISELY what you would do, and try to do so before you are caught doing so (so you can say you did it because they did it).
You can actually watch a modern Republican’s train of thought leave the station. You can instantly garner THEIR initial response to stimuli. They have now used this tactic so often, they likely literally cannot help themselves. They project their reactions on to their opponents instantly, and likely genuinely believe their opponents will engage in the same sort of perverse/malicious/dangerous/etc behavior that they themselves turn to first.
Everyone projects sometimes. With the modern Republican party, however, it appears to be systemic, pathological, and strategic, all at once. :/
April 14th, 2009 at 9:21 pm@179 slippery
The tea parties are organized top down by corporations to recognize that George Bush ruined everything, and they supported him all the way down. They just need to hug and then they will go home.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pmJohnM was getting his ass kicked so troll central sent out a notice for all trolls to infiltrate thread.
They are congregating and planning their tbag activities for tomorrow.
Please don’t feed them.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pmDaryll…?
I bet it’s Judges, right? Judges!
Maybe Micah?
it’s definitely OT, right, D?
April 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pmRich, can’t we at least feed Daryll? He’s so tame he’s practically like a pet.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm@190 slippery – straw man, OT.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pmrachel’s reporting, and interviewing a ron paul guy, about how libertarianas are angry that repubicans are co-opting these tea parties.
hoo boy… “par-tay!”
April 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pmWe’re making signs with Pelosi, Reid and Obama wearing pirate hats with slogans like “They’re holding our kids’ future for ransom! STOP wreckless spending!”
It’s going to be great day for freedom!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pmRaptureReady Says:
We are going to restore control within this country with the help of Jesus(Taxes, etc.).
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and unto God the things that are God’s.” I could never look my beloved child in the eye knowing that I did not do everything in my power to insure that no child dies from a want of food, medical care, love, or compassion.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pmSpy on a bunch of wacko racist gun nuts? Well, we did spy on the Quaker peace meetings.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm“Tonight, look your child in the eye and tell her that a good portion of her future earnings will be gone because of the selfishness of you and your liberal brethren. Let me know how you feel.”
RR, do you suffer from a rare case of “hysterical idiocy”, possibly brought on by the shock of America electing a moderate African-American (heaven forfend!), or have you always been this amazingly ignorant? Do you even remember Bush?
Please, go pray quietly by yourself in a closet and stay away from the evil internets. We’re all better off that way.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:49 pmSeems to me that about 90% of the Jesus freaks are consumed with concern about the money they pay in taxes. Why not tax Christians or any other religious fools at twice the rate of normal people? Think of it as a tax on fools.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pm“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”
For the non-christians..this is what Jesus said when someone tried to trick him into sedition by asking whether they should pay their taxes or not…hmmmm…
April 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pmTea Party Tax….that’s what we need.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pmjb Says:
Think of it as a tax on fools.
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Well… fools certainly can be taxing…
April 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pmRich H Says:
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Hey John,
I have a business and to ensure it’s continued success I plow 98% of it’s profits back into the business. I update and purchase new machinery, I hire additonal workers, I put in more hours to find new leads.
I don’t take that 98% sit back buy a new home, a new car and pay mself 5000 freakin times what my workers make.
Your a friggin idiot. No wonder american businesse’s need a bailout.
Good for you. But if your profit decreases because of increased taxes then you will not have as much to put back into the business. Also if somebody makes a profit and buys a new car and a new house there are jobs created to manufacture that car and build that house.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pmsmidget Says:
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EARTH TO JOHNM!!!!!!!!
INCOME TAXES ARE NOT EXPENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is your problem, dude? I just explained this to you.
If they’re cutting back on expenses, it’s because either their current expenses have gone up, or their revenues have gone down, NOT because taxes went up. Taxes are totally independent of operations. Actually, when expenses do go up, net income goes down, and SO DO TAXES.
Please stop. You clearly have no clue what in the hell you are talking about, and it’s getting embarassing.
Yes taxes are expenses. To think you would says something otherwise is rather amazing. It is not an operational expense, but it certainly is an expense. Actually when you say that when net income goes down so do taxes that to is misleading as net income is the bottom line amount the company makes and is taken after income tax expense. If a company has an income before taxes of $1000 and the tax rate is 35% then their net income is $650. That is money that will not be carried over as equity and will not increase the stock price as much. This of course hurts everybody that is invested in the company to include all retirement plans that are 401K based. Yes taxes is an expense.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pmSKdeAnt Says:
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Please stop. You clearly have no clue what in the hell you are talking about, and it’s getting embarassing.
Hard to believe he can even count to $78,000, and much harder to believe he makes that. I would be very afraid having a person that dim in a position of responsibility.
Why are so many people unwilling to have a discussion on things without resorting to insults? I have not attacked anybody and have only given my opinion based on basic economic principles.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pmRich H Says:
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I guess this is totally un-american of me, but I took a huge cut in salary last year so I could make an enormous inventory and machinery purchase. Naturally, to process all the material and use the machinery I had to hire more people.
Of course in the long run it will pay off. I’ll be way ahead of my competition. I wonder JohnM, do you need glasses, you seem rather shortsighted.
Good for you, I hope that your risk pays off. I’m glad you were able to hire more people. This may put you ahead of your competition, but sitting on inventory is rarely a good thing as the costs can be quite heavy. I also assume that you capitalized your machinery purchases and financed them so your company will not realize the expenses all at once and they can be depreciated. I hope that it pays off for you.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pmSo here we have a Democrat president using the D.H.S created by a bunch of nut jobs from the Reich to watch and keep track of a bunch of nut jobs from the Reich that are protesting Obama whom they refuse to back because why? He`s a Democrat or that he`s a democrat that beat grampy McWars fair and square?Losers and cry baby adults that have been marginalized.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pmApril 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Notice to all wingnuts.
The guy who once had a single engine pilots license that landed that plane after the pilot died of a heart attack gave credit to President Obama for his staying cool during the emergency.
(I have to practice lying so people will believe I work for Faux tomorrow.)
April 14th, 2009 at 10:27 pmJohnM Says:
I also assume that you capitalized your machinery purchases and financed them so your company will not realize the expenses all at once and they can be depreciated. I hope that it pays off for you.
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Gee… why does this sound like double talk?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pmSo do any of you Reich wingers recall doing this when Herr Dubya was Commander and chief and put us in this $9trillion deficit or are you just protesting it now because we kicked your A$$e$ in 2006&2008 and more in 2010.Why don`t you stop crying and get behind Obama and congress and help get this country on track and we all get forget about the last 8 years that have pushed this country apart and stop being “SHEEPLE” for crying out loud.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:30 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
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JohnM Says:
I also assume that you capitalized your machinery purchases and financed them so your company will not realize the expenses all at once and they can be depreciated. I hope that it pays off for you.
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Gee… why does this sound like double talk?
How so?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pmJohnM Says:
The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
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JohnM Says:
I also assume that you capitalized your machinery purchases and financed them so your company will not realize the expenses all at once and they can be depreciated. I hope that it pays off for you.
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Gee… why does this sound like double talk?
How so?
TRoHS, It’s not doubletalk, but so basic a principal of business accounting that one wonders why the owner of a successful business would feel compelled to mention it. I suspect you are dealing with Joe the Plumber, or the equivalent.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:39 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Hey Daryll, there’s something I’ve been meaning to ask you…
several months ago, in late December to be exact, you made the following statement:
I thought that was pretty neat, and I’ve been looking for that passage ever since. Can you point out exactly where that phrase appears… book, chapter, verse…?
thanks ever so much.
Lemme get that for ya. As somebody who’s actually read the whole Bible, glad to help.
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Liberal Kelly Says:
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but maybe the republican party had this all planned out. Say for example 50 years or so ago, some small group of right wing politicians got together and secretly planned…
One of the difficulties is that it’s almost impossible to think something up to pin on them that they aren’t already screaming about us. Their scattershot fictions pretty much cover everything true and false. Lately they’re also claiming that the current political situation is the culmination of a 50-year old liberal conspiracy. Whaddayagonnado?
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jb Says:
Tea Party Tax….that’s what we need.
That sounds like grounds for mass hilarity.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
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JohnM Says:
The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
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JohnM Says:
I also assume that you capitalized your machinery purchases and financed them so your company will not realize the expenses all at once and they can be depreciated. I hope that it pays off for you.
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Gee… why does this sound like double talk?
How so?
TRoHS, It’s not doubletalk, but so basic a principal of business accounting that one wonders why the owner of a successful business would feel compelled to mention it. I suspect you are dealing with Joe the Plumber, or the equivalent.
I do not own a business. I mentioned it because he said that he took a paycut in order to pay for the machinery and the inventory. Since his company will not realize all of the expense this year the fact that he took a paycut to pay for it does apply at this time. Obviously since it will be depreciated over time it will be a factor, but I doubt he will continue to keep that paycut throughout the life of the machinery. So while the paycut is admirable I don’t see how it was necessary at this time to finance the stated purchases.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:43 pmThey were talking about the bUSH administration right????
April 14th, 2009 at 10:43 pmMust be a lot of lazy unemployed republicans out there who have nothing better to do tomorrow but become a part of republican political theater.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:53 pmmarwick Says
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
We’re making signs with Pelosi, Reid and Obama wearing pirate hats with slogans like “They’re holding our kids’ future for ransom! STOP wreckless spending!”
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Stop “wreckless” spending? You’d prefer spending that winds up a wreck? Ah yes — I think that describes the spending under Bush. And you must miss him.
I think you mean “reckless”. If you don’t want to look like a complete idiot, you might check your spelling before making your signs.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pmJohnM Says:
The ones that have lost their jobs because the owner of the company they used to work for that makes more than $250,000 let them go because he/she wants to continue making that much money.
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That is such a stupid argument. I know you were instructed to believe it and regurgiate it on demand but who could be stupid enough to buy it? So you mean the business owner who didnt NEED that worker to make his money and was keeping him around out of the goodness of his heart? THAT business owner? Because I dont know that guy. I dont think you do either. I think he is fictional and doesnt exist and a business owner that gets rid of peole he DOES need to make his profits because he is getting this small tax increase on what he makes IN PROFIT, over 250 grand, well he deserves to go out of business because he cant provide his service anymore. He is too stupid to be a business owner.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:08 pmJohnM Says:
No, because the union workers are a large part of the reason of the fall of the auto industry by increasing expenses to an unattainable level. No business can survive with such a large percentage of their expenses being salary/benefits.
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No they arent. You really are a brainwashed moron. Do you ever occasionally say anything Rush didnt tell you to believe? You DO know dont you that the autoworkers in Japan and Germany that are the chief competition to our automakers ARE UNION? That Japan has a higher average wage than the US and has since the 70’s? You know how to spew the propaganda but it doesnt make any sense.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pmRealityCheck Says:
Unreality you are very stupid. You keep regurgitating this utter idiocy as IF you could tell the future. Funny thing is you guys got SHELLACKED the last two elections and you are a deperate brain washed fool. Go kill yourself you are too stupid to do the world any other favor
April 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pmI think you mean “reckless”. If you don’t want to look like a complete idiot, you might check your spelling before making your signs.
Good point, misscoleopteramolly. They wouldn’t want to make themselves look like “morans”.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pmmarwick Says:
“They’re holding our kids’ future for ransom! STOP wreckless spending!”
It’s going to be great day for freedom!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
**snort**
Lord knows, we wouldn’t want to stop reckless spending — IOKIYAR! I’m looking at you Ronnie & Georgie.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 pmJohn stop embarassing yourself. You are stupid. Businesses already employ ONLY the amount of workers they NEED to make profit for the owner. NO MORE. Businesses are not charities. They do not keep excess workers around like they are a jobs program that stupid meme you keep repeating. It is bone ignorant and only shows that you dont know what you are talking about. Rush played you for the fool you are. He will keep doing that till you stop being a fool
April 14th, 2009 at 11:17 pmJohnM,
I’m just getting back in. I took a huge pay cut about 7 months ago. I’m just living on what I need to get by and that’s all. I’ve done this so I can expand my business and it’s worked.
I shipped more material this past month since any time I’ve been in business (about 9 years). We’re moving to a larger facility, and while it sucks to be me with an empty wallet, it’s been worth it.
In another few months I may allow myself to restore some of my pay.
As for what this does to my taxes, I could care less, I let my CPA handle it and I trust his advice. I’m concerned with growing my business and making it more profitable.
If that means pouring the profit right back in, so be it.
A little off topic but something else you probably wouldn’t understand. We have several small businesses in town that are close to going under. I pratonize them as often as possible. I leave tips for the owners and employees and do whatever I can to give them just a little more money.
I’d hate to see them go under. That’s a worthwile expenditure too.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmO.k. I might be the only business owner in the U.S. like this but we did have someone on staff we didn’t need. No offense to anyone, but it was a single mom and we were her only source of incoome.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:22 pmI’m just wondering if they’ll protest all that “wreckless” spending on education.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:23 pmThese teabaggers are just too funny. I’d sure like to trace the first person who suggested that name, and then see a show of hands for everyone that thought it was a good idea.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:25 pmF.O. slippery
April 14th, 2009 at 11:26 pmNo slippery, you’re here too.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:27 pmI knew a guy in highschool called slippery. He used to like to stick things up his ass, and then he’d tell people about it.
Is that you, slippery? How the hell are ya?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:28 pmRich H Says:
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JohnM,
I’m just getting back in. I took a huge pay cut about 7 months ago. I’m just living on what I need to get by and that’s all. I’ve done this so I can expand my business and it’s worked.
I shipped more material this past month since any time I’ve been in business (about 9 years). We’re moving to a larger facility, and while it sucks to be me with an empty wallet, it’s been worth it.
In another few months I may allow myself to restore some of my pay.
As for what this does to my taxes, I could care less, I let my CPA handle it and I trust his advice. I’m concerned with growing my business and making it more profitable.
If that means pouring the profit right back in, so be it.
A little off topic but something else you probably wouldn’t understand. We have several small businesses in town that are close to going under. I pratonize them as often as possible. I leave tips for the owners and employees and do whatever I can to give them just a little more money.
I’d hate to see them go under. That’s a worthwile expenditure too
I am very happy for you. You certainly are more willing to take a personal hit than many business owners, which is likely the reason for your success. Unfortunately most business owners do not think the same as you and they employ millions of people and higher taxes will effect them and their employees.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:30 pmI’m here to serve, Rich H. FSM knows, we need to laugh. :)
April 14th, 2009 at 11:31 pmHi Zooey,
I just got a laugh out of your Dick Armey post. You know that’s why I’m here so often, laughter is good for the soul.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:31 pmOhhhh, time travel….
April 14th, 2009 at 11:32 pmJohnM,
I apreciate the thought, but these taxes are going to affect relatively few people.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:33 pmamazing isn’t it?
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John stop embarassing yourself. You are stupid. Businesses already employ ONLY the amount of workers they NEED to make profit for the owner. NO MORE. Businesses are not charities. They do not keep excess workers around like they are a jobs program that stupid meme you keep repeating. It is bone ignorant and only shows that you dont know what you are talking about. Rush played you for the fool you are. He will keep doing that till you stop being a fool
It is not true that businesses employ only the people they need. As businesses grow so does their payroll expense. When times are good and the company is profitable the personnel expense is often overlooked, but when times are bad and expenses increase or revenues decrease personnel expense is looked at much more closely. Companies begin finding which employees they can continue without employing. So in theory a company will employ what they need, but hard times they cut their payroll and often times continue the same output with less.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:34 pmRich H Says:
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JohnM,
I apreciate the thought, but these taxes are going to affect relatively few people.
How could a 5-10% decrease in net income not effect businesses? Short term it may not effect much, but long term tax increases certainly will.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:35 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
No they arent. You really are a brainwashed moron. Do you ever occasionally say anything Rush didnt tell you to believe? You DO know dont you that the autoworkers in Japan and Germany that are the chief competition to our automakers ARE UNION? That Japan has a higher average wage than the US and has since the 70’s? You know how to spew the propaganda but it doesnt make any sense.
Any stats to back that up, because I do not believe it.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:38 pmslippery,
Pull your head out of your ass. Obama did not raise your taxes.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:40 pmslippery,
Obama cut your taxes downward from the Bush tax rate. Surely you don’t make $250,000 per year, do you?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:42 pmRich H Says:
You are a good man Rich. I dont beleive there is enough of that going on to seriously effect the unemployment rate.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pmFox has the wrong President. Bush might send in the clowns or spies. But Obama won’t bother. This whole radical, pathetic, right wing has become a joke. It’s like watching a train wreck, over and over.
Eventually the fun will wear off. The danger with this group is how little they care about the country. They have a limited agenda. One that consists of privilege and power for the few. And they continue, in the name of ideology to undermine everything they can. There is no greater good for them. Utter selfishness and greed.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pmSpies, tea parties, conspiracies and socialist take over of the Good Old USA, socialists in our congress. Do they really know how crazy and dumb they sound. These conservatives don’t have a clue (look at the state of the country).
April 14th, 2009 at 11:45 pmPolitical attacks on a sitting president in a time of war…Hmmm. I seem to remember a time, not too long ago, when such a thing would have been considered by the sages at Fox to be the height of irresponsibility…helping the terrorists…treasonous even. My, things DO change quickly these days.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:47 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Rich H Says:
You are a good man Rich. I dont beleive there is enough of that going on to seriously effect the unemployment rate.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I agree. Single moms have it rough out there, and people like Rich H are few and far between. Good on ya, mate!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:47 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs,
No there’s not enough of that going around, but I’m not the only one. It’s rare, but I’ve known other businesses that do the same.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:48 pmYes, Clinton raised taxes, and as a result oversaw the longest peacetime expansion in the nation’s history, and started to pay down the massive national debt built up under Presidents Reagan and Bush 41.
You’re welcome.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:50 pmOh guys your making me blush.
By the way my wife and I are birds of a feather. It’s something we both agree on.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:50 pm239 JohnM
Consider the Bush tax cuts as a temporary thing, as it must be. consider the taxation during the Clinton years as the long term.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmRich H,
That should keep the peace and harmony at home — always a plus. :)
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmJohnM Says:
It is not true that businesses employ only the people they need. As businesses grow so does their payroll expense. When times are good and the company is profitable the personnel expense is often overlooked, but when times are bad and expenses increase or revenues decrease personnel expense is looked at much more closely. Companies begin finding which employees they can continue without employing. So in theory a company will employ what they need, but hard times they cut their payroll and often times continue the same output with less.
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BALONEY. The business of a business is to maximize profits. THAT is what the business schools teach. Bad times come from selling less of your product NOT taxes. So in that case they NEED less people to make less product. However businesses are NOT charities nor work projects. They do NOT keep extra people around out of the goodness of their hearts. Now I believe Rich H and maybe a few times that happens but not enough to effect the logic of my argument. YOU said because the owner is getting this small tax increase on the amount of money he CLEARS abover 250,000 he is going to lay someone off and there is ZERO logic in this argument. He already ONLY has as many people as he needs to make his money. It is like you are saying Acme Widget Company will lay off Joe so his employer can make up for the small hit in his more than a quarter of a million dollar profit. Of course Acme Widget supplies Northern Widget Co a huge conglomerate they have a contract for 1000 widgets a week and that takes five workers. When Acme Widget calls Norther Widget Co and tells them they can only supply 800 widgets because he had to prove a point to those mean liberals that raised his taxes and lay someone off. Norther Widges says fine you no longer have a contract we need 1000 a week and Acme Widget goes out of business. You are repeating the propaganda but it doesnt match reality
April 14th, 2009 at 11:54 pmslippery Says:
Is this where the far left loons hang out?
Hellz yes.
/transliterated loon cry
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JohnM Says:
How could a 5-10% decrease in net income not effect businesses?
By including an exemption for small businesses.
Wingnuts always like to treat small businesses as individuals for purposes of calculating taxable income, but they’re not relevant at all, since gross income =/= taxable net income, aka. profit. However, Obama also included an exemption for businesses up to a higher income (aka. net profit) level, just for y’all.
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JohnM Says:
Any stats to back that up, because I do not believe it.
I can work the Internets all by myself, mommy!
http://www.google.com/search?q=japan+automaker+union&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
April 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pmhttp://www.google.com/search?q=japan+average+wage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
http://www.google.com/search?q=germany+automaker+union&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
Hey, ElBruce. Long time, no see. :)
April 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pmJohnM, it was fun while it lasted, but fiscal responsibility demands we return to pre bush economics.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 pmI’m sorry you’re having difficulty, slippery.
Maybe a nice nap is in order…?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 amElBruce Says:
Perhaps you should read the info on the very first website your search provided.
“Japanese automakers, with few exceptions, have avoided organized labor at the nearly dozen U.S. assembly plants they operate. Toyota and Honda representatives say they’ve done little to keep unions at bay and insist their employees simply choose not to form unions. But both the timing of their arrival and even the locations they choose have been key factors.”
April 15th, 2009 at 12:01 amEugene reminds me…I need to re-stock my supply of widgets. ;)
April 15th, 2009 at 12:01 am…and JohnM pulls a switcheroo out of his ass, making slippery totally envious…
April 15th, 2009 at 12:03 amHi, Zooey, I was just checking in before heading for bed. ElBruce, hi, good to read you again. I also noticed Moderation somewhere earlier, I always enjoy his comments, too.
Goodnight, all! Trolls, enjoy your teabagging tomorrow! ;)
April 15th, 2009 at 12:03 amHi, Jane. Bye, Jane. :-)
Who doesn’t enjoy a nice teabagging on Tax Day? Srsly…?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:04 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
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BALONEY. The business of a business is to maximize profits. THAT is what the business schools teach. Bad times come from selling less of your product NOT taxes. So in that case they NEED less people to make less product. However businesses are NOT charities nor work projects. They do NOT keep extra people around out of the goodness of their hearts.
Just so I understand you, you are stating that every employee at a business is needed in order to make a profit? There are no positions that the company could not do without and still produce and sell the same number of goods? If you believe that, I guess we should stop conversing here because our belief of what reality is simply too far apart.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:06 amApe-Man Says:
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JohnM, it was fun while it lasted, but fiscal responsibility demands we return to pre bush economics.
I disagree, the tax breaks Bush did was the only thing he did right in 8 years. Tax breaks are not the cause of the current economic crisis.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:08 amZooey Lepidoptera Says:
Obama cut your taxes downward from the Bush tax rate. Surely you don’t make $250,000 per year, do you?
Zooey, didn’t you know, all Republicans on the internet make at least $500K a year!
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Zooey Lepidoptera Says:
Hey, ElBruce. Long time, no see. :)
I thought I was getting away from politics, but kicking insane people in the rhetorical face is just too hard to resist, and I hear they’ve crawled back out from under their rock lately…
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JohnM Says:
ElBruce Says:
Perhaps you should read the info on the very first website your search provided.
Just pointing out how easy it would have been to make your point, had you bothered to. Japanese automakers aren’t very unionized. But this leads to a complete thread hijack, as the real cash difference in costs between U.S. and Japanese automakers in the U.S. has to do with the spiraling increase in health care costs, which are locked into union contracts. So we have two options to remedy the problem: 1) destroy the unions, slashing the quality of life for hundreds of thousands of American workers, or 2) control health care costs, increasing the quality of life for everybody else as well. Guess which one you Republicans (the party of evil and misery) goes for?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 amBTW – Lou Dobbs just announced on his show that you’re supposed to send your representatives tea bags. Thanks for participating Lou. I’m not sure but i think he means republican representatives only – i’m just guessing, in case any tea baggers are listening.
Oh, and lou says the president is weak, pork is bad… that is all…
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 amA little something for the trolls to gnaw on:
So much for the “Obama has already lost the independents! We’re coming back in the mid-terms and Newt will be elected president in 2012!” Arf arf.
I’m most curious to see how many people actually show up at the teabagging parties, outside of Appalachia and the Deep South, where redneckery is rampant. I’m guessing that most Americans aren’t even aware that the parties exist.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:10 amWhy would anyone need to “spy” on a public event, especially when FOX News plans to provide 24/7 coverage of every village participating?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:12 amElBruce Says:
I thought I was getting away from politics, but kicking insane people in the rhetorical face is just too hard to resist, and I hear they’ve crawled back out from under their rock lately…
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Even smelly trolls have their limits for under the rock crowding stench.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:15 amOMG – now Lou is inditing himself as a right wing extremist.
Say it isn’t true Lou!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:15 amOy, sorry about that grammar…
April 15th, 2009 at 12:17 amJohnM Says:
I disagree, the tax breaks Bush did was the only thing he did right in 8 years. Tax breaks are not the cause of the current economic crisis.
It’s not just a question of “tax breaks,” since he was increasing spending at the same time. Unless somebody invents a money tree, every dollar a President spends will have to be paid back in taxes at some point. In short, “taxation” in terms of spending (i.e. taxes incurred) is in a sense divorced from taxation in terms of collection (i.e. taxes due now). All Bush’s tax policy did was to shift the burden of current taxation towards the middle class from the rich. At the same time, he saw to it that vastly more taxes would become due later on.
This would all be fine if right-wing economic theory were correct. If you had a leg to stand on, then the outcome of his policies should have been a robust, wealth-creating American economy, one which would be able to pay back that debt quickly , due to the trickle-down effect of reinvested tax savings among the rich. However instead, the economy completely collapsed. Which means that you’re wrong on all counts.
Bush overspent and left nothing to show for it. And now y’all have nothing left but to complain about Obama’s attempt to restore the pre-Bush tax structure, which gives the middle class a small proportional break.
So what’s the difference between Bush’s spending and Obama’s spending? What we have to show for it. Obama’s spending is geared towards infrastructure investment. Bush’s spending went into incredibly expensive things that blow up, kill a bunch of brown people, and then you go buy another one. Not to mention all the “lost money” in Iraq. And the no-bid over-billed contracts. Obama’s spending is designed to go into things that actually help us ramp up to where we can stand on our own two rhetorical feet again. As he mentioned in the inaugural address, it’s not just a question of more or less spending, but smart spending.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:20 amThe Dobbs push pull tonight is so convoluted he couldn’t even say it straight.
“Do you think a person concerned about borders and ports that are unsecured, illegal immigration, second amendment rights or a returning veteran from the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan is likely, as the Department of Homeland Security suggests, a right wing extremist?”
My question to Lou – do you think silly straw man poles help your case, or expose you as advocate for extremism?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:21 amJohnM Says:
Perhaps you should read the info on the very first website your search provided.
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Perhaps YOU should learn to READ. I said IN JAPAN not US workers in Japanese Plants Toyota IS UNION IN JAPAN.
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2007/03/toyota_pays_up.html
In Japan, Toyota Motor Workers’ Union has 58,000 members. What’s more, with the financial year ending later this month in Japan, pay negotiation is in full flow.
So is Honda and Nissan
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=amlLL077YHzw&refer=japan
Honda Motor Co., Japan’s second-largest carmaker, Sharp Co., Japan’s largest producer of liquid-crystal displays and Hitachi Ltd. also refused to meet their unions pay demands.
Nissan Motor Co., Japan’s third-largest carmaker, will meet its union’s request for a 7,000 yen increase in annual pay and a bonus of 6.1 months salary.
You REAllY need to work on that reading comprehension thing
April 15th, 2009 at 12:27 am@276 slippery
Yes slippery, diversion – straw man, on lou’s part.
As for me – I still take the DHS word on this one, and Lou won’t make me think otherwise with an over the top push-pole.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:28 am“Do you think a person concerned about borders and ports that are unsecured…”
I thought those were called Democrats? Right-wingers haven’t given a crap about port security for the last seven years, I don’t see why they would start now.
Ohhh, he’s talking about the Mexicans, isn’t he… I get it now.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:28 amJohnM Says:
Just so I understand you, you are stating that every employee at a business is needed in order to make a profit? There are no positions that the company could not do without and still produce and sell the same number of goods? If you believe that, I guess we should stop conversing here because our belief of what reality is simply too far apart.
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You wouldnt know reality if it bit your nutsack. YOU were talking about a small business. Otherwise you would be talking about stockholders not the boss firing someone because HIS profits were going up. It would make no sense in any other context. So NO small businesses do NOT have people around who are NOT needed to make them profits.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:31 amslippery Says:
Nice diversion.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Yes, Dobbs’ inability to articulate his own push poll is exceedingly diverting.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:34 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
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JohnM Says:
Perhaps you should read the info on the very first website your search provided.
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Perhaps YOU should learn to READ. I said IN JAPAN not US workers in Japanese Plants Toyota IS UNION IN JAPAN.
http://www.businessweek.com/ autos/ autobeat/ archives/ 2007/ 03/ toyota_pays_up.html
In Japan, Toyota Motor Workers’ Union has 58,000 members. What’s more, with the financial year ending later this month in Japan, pay negotiation is in full flow.
So is Honda and Nissan
http://www.bloomberg.com/ apps/ news?pid=20601101&sid=amlLL077YHzw&refer=japan
Honda Motor Co., Japan’s second-largest carmaker, Sharp Co., Japan’s largest producer of liquid-crystal displays and Hitachi Ltd. also refused to meet their unions pay demands.
Nissan Motor Co., Japan’s third-largest carmaker, will meet its union’s request for a 7,000 yen increase in annual pay and a bonus of 6.1 months salary.
You REAllY need to work on that reading comprehension thing
You really don’t understand, but that is okay. The reason that the big 3 cannot compete with comapnies such as Honda and Toyota is because they manufacture cars here much cheaper than the big 3. While there is a union in Japan most of the cars sold in the United States are manufactured in North America.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/04/business/japanese-cars-stronger-in-weak-us-economy.html
“Nearly all of the Japanese manufacturers’ market-share gain in the United States came from Japanese-owned factories in North America.”
So you can make all the claims you want about unions not being a factor in the downfall of American car companies but the fact is that Japanese companies can produce cars here cheaper than we can because of the lower salary expense.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
You wouldnt know reality if it bit your nutsack.
… which is why it’s important to establish a bond of trust with whoever you’re teabagging. Unsafe teabagging can have many unfortunate consequences.
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
YOU were talking about a small business. Otherwise…
Submitted for your consideration. The wingnut had no idea what the f**k he was talking about. Occam’s razor, yo.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
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JohnM Says:
Just so I understand you, you are stating that every employee at a business is needed in order to make a profit? There are no positions that the company could not do without and still produce and sell the same number of goods? If you believe that, I guess we should stop conversing here because our belief of what reality is simply too far apart.
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You wouldnt know reality if it bit your nutsack. YOU were talking about a small business. Otherwise you would be talking about stockholders not the boss firing someone because HIS profits were going up. It would make no sense in any other context. So NO small businesses do NOT have people around who are NOT needed to make them profits.
Small businesses, medium businesses and large businesses all have people working for them that are not needed to make profits. Until you understand that you will not be able to discuss this from a logical standpoint.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:39 amA little off topic (but not too much). Using cars as an example of taxes vs. no taxes vs profits etc… is not really apt.
Our car market suc*s because we make such lousy cars. If we made anything as dependable as a Honda or Toyota they’d be on the road. The reason their not is Americans don’t like throwing their money away on something thats going to fall apart a few years after you buy it.
Goodnight.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:40 amslippery Says:
“ElBruce” Says
JohnM debunks eugene and you condone the ad hom attacks with attacks?
Um, no… JohnM is repeatedly debunked, and I throw in some ad hominem attacks for good measure. At the back of his head, while he runs away flapping his hands and crying. Because he’s a little b!tch. Got a problem with that?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:45 amJohnM Says:
Small businesses, medium businesses and large businesses all have people working for them that are not needed to make profits. Until you understand that you will not be able to discuss this from a logical standpoint.
Do you just make this stuff up, or do you pull it out of your butt? This is so illogical and silly that it’s difficult to know where to start.
To accept this premise, one would have to believe that there is always a non-essential employee, no matter how many employees are cut.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:49 amslippery Says:
JohnM is repeatedly debunked,
Where?
Is this just to demonstrate your own inability to comprehend?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:50 amPoor slippy.
Srsly, I think that nap is in order.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:52 amgummble-bee-itch Says:
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JohnM Says:
Small businesses, medium businesses and large businesses all have people working for them that are not needed to make profits. Until you understand that you will not be able to discuss this from a logical standpoint.
Do you just make this stuff up, or do you pull it out of your butt? This is so illogical and silly that it’s difficult to know where to start.
To accept this premise, one would have to believe that there is always a non-essential employee, no matter how many employees are cut.
No, that would be true if I actually said every business has employees they do not need. I said that all types of businesses have employees that they don’t need. Obviously a business with only one employee needs that employee, but to say that there are no employees in small businesses that are not required to make a profit is absurd.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:01 amJohnM, any way you look at it, Asman still wants to know if president Obama will be sending spies to the tea parties. you just can’t get around that fact.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:18 amre: why conservatives seem so happy to lump themselves with the “murderous lunatics”
The GOP will take any votes they can get.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:21 amslippery Says:
Where?
Well, to begin with there’s the notion he puts forth that businesses only control costs and/or develop a “lean” structure during “hard times:”
All companies always attempt to employ the minimum number of people needed to produce the necessary output, regardless of the status of the overall economy. Anybody who works in a management capacity in any company who espouses otherwise would instantly out themselves as the only employee who really needs to be cut.
Also this:
The unions themselves aren’t the ones who increased expenses. The increase in their locked-in health care plans accounts for the full increase in union costs. More in fact, since they’ve sacrificed wages and other benefits in most cases over the past ten years.
Then there’s this bit:
Since necessary business expenses are tax-deductible, net income is what’s taxed.
Also, businesses =/= people.
Also, Obama’s tax proposal has a higher exemption rate for small businesses anyways, which makes all of these examples completely moot.
This goes back to the first quote. If somebody who owns a small business has an increase in their personal income tax, to go cut costs in their business so they can maintain exactly the same net personal income presumes that they have costs to cut, i.e. that there’s something they can cut that won’t also reduce their businesses revenue and profitability. This is not the case in any viable business I’ve ever heard of.
I’ve known quite a few small business owners. If they make less money next year, then they cut corners at home. They don’t go back to their business and cut corners there so they can take home the same amount of profit no matter what. That’s just how it goes. The downside to making wild profits if your business is massively successful is in personally just scraping by if it’s not. But anybody who starts dismantling their business just so that their personal take-home profit never decreases won’t be a business owner for long, in any case.
Finally, there’s this thing, which makes no sense whatsoever:
I’m not sure if he’s saying he said what he said or not here. Ultimately, it sounds like he’s saying that Obama’s proposed tax structure will cause small businesses to locate areas in which they were paying people who provide their business no value whatsoever, and fire them. And even if you think that’s ludicrous, it’s probably still true that there are a few businesses somewhere who have a few extraneous employees. To which I say:
A) Whatever.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:25 amB) The small businesses of the world will thank Obama for helping them to run lean and keep their unnecessary costs under control, something which they were apparently unable or unmotivated to do until he raised the tax rate on their personal take-home profits by 2 to 4 percent.
slippery Says:
Asman still wants to know if president Obama will be sending spies to the tea parties.
Which is a legitimate question.
It’s been standing FBI policy to send spies to the meetings of political demonstration groups for almost a century now. I haven’t heard an executive order from Obama changing that. As BHB pointed out waaay back in #41, if they’re going to infiltrate Quakers and other pro-peace groups as they have since the GWOT started, then they’re certainly likely to infiltrate groups who routinely talk about seceding from the government, “becoming armed and dangerous” and fomenting rebellion and sedition of various forms.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:29 am@295 Legitimate. Yes. Maybe he was simply concerned about the safety of the attendees, as we are, but unlike his guest. I’m sure the answer is yes, as it would be irresponsible not to keep an eye on things, particularly after the DHS report that just came out.
What is not at all legitimate is how they seem totally miffed by it all.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:31 amMan, I bet a lot of them are just kicking themselves right now for supporting the massive expansion of Presidential power that’s taken place over the last eight years…
April 15th, 2009 at 1:41 am@296
“anybody who starts dismantling their business just so that their personal take-home profit never decreases won’t be a business owner for long”
Yes. I have to agree. I think we can proceed with the Obama budget now without a great deal of concern over letting the bush tax cuts expire as planned. NEXT!
April 15th, 2009 at 1:50 amIf your not doing anything wrong there is nothing to worry about, right?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:52 amHey, lets go out in public, where all can be seen and heard, to make it where spies cannot hear or see us!!
Is it just me or is this spy on us logic just silly?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:55 am@299
Ya, and they just love a unitary executive, right? So what’s the problem baggers? They should be kicking themselves for a lot of things right now. After all, Bush didn’t ruin everything all by himself. the baggers helped him all the way down, and they’re still ‘helping’.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:00 amJohnM: Profit beneficial to many.
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Profit beneficial to many!
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PROFIT BENEFICIAL TO MANY!!!
Sorry…couldn’t resist. I read that and imagined the oaf beating his chest while saying that, much like the pictured ape, which he’s not evolved quite as far away from as the rest of us have…
And…pray tell, what does profit of corporations have to do with paranoid right-wing nutcases belief that Obama’s gonna send Secret Ninja Assassins ™ to remove your freedumbs to life, liberty, and teabagging (snicker).
The only ninja you’ll see at your teabagging (snicker) party will be those that are there to kill you because you failed to order from http://ninjaburger.com/ and instead ordered from http://www.piratepizza.com/. :)
April 15th, 2009 at 2:01 am@302 Xisithrus
Ya. The TV segment was silly. What they implied is silly.
They won’t have spies with hidden mics and cameras, but the municipality might have to issue a permit and make sure they sick to the guidelines – i guess they might be like spys to the paranoid or histerically politically motivated.
The DHS report was obviously very embarrasing for right wingers in general. It forces them to introspect. These people [Asman] reacted to that in a non productive, harmful way.
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It would have to be “RELEVANT” for such action.
“The Republican Party” – “The Benny Hill Show”
April 15th, 2009 at 4:32 am“Spies”?
Honestly, who would want to watch a mass-circle-jerk of inbred retards?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:09 amThis is nothing more than the rich corporate fascists getting their sheeple riled into a frenzy to go out raising money for Newt and Dick Armey and the boys. They are still gullible, hateful, wingnuts.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:30 amI just love Malkin’s preemptive rages, but then I enjoy root canals….
April 15th, 2009 at 9:20 amI think Obama is too busy to spend in SPIES – he has a new dog to train.
I’d go and spy myself (E.g. – watch the proceedings on TV) but I really have to go and organize my sock drawer.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:20 amMD Gov. Erlich used the police force to infiltrate peace and anti-death penalty activist groups here in Maryland. I call him Bush Junior. Thank gawd he’s gone.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:50 amLeave it to Faux to use footage of British riot police @ G20 during this segment; obviously implicating Obama’s admin as an over reactive police state. Why can’t they use footage of peaceful protests that have already occurred all across America? Oh I know why, because they love to incite the news.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:00 amFOX NEWS, FOX NATION, THE ANTI OBAMA NEWS CORPORATION!
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April 15th, 2009 at 11:22 amHow do you spy at a public event and what is there to spy on? It seems strange that so many people who are seeing a lowering of their taxes are complaining for individuals who make more that $250K/year.
I find it sad that in a country that prides itself on public debate and differences of opinion that the GOP has decided to disengage from the real problems by just saying NO.
Time for a cup of coffee, no tea for me!
April 15th, 2009 at 11:37 amThe Republicans are suffering from Minority Hysteria, or insanity, you choose.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pmNoMoreBush Says:
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LMAO. Yes, the spies will be easy to spot. They will be the ones laughing hysterically, and pointing fingers, at the whitebread, backwoods rednecks protesting the government not allowing the richest 1% to keep their Bush-era tax cuts.
I for one support their right to fight for my tax cuts. The stupid of it all.
NoMoreBush – your use of labels such as this are racist. What do you have against white people?
If someone came onto this board calling obama the ‘N’ word you’d jump all over them and call them racist. But you call whites rednecks?
What is the difference?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pmI might be mistaken but at the end of that clip, why does Fox News show footage of the protests that happened during the G20? Thats clearly British cops.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmTim43 Says:
If someone came onto this board calling obama the ‘N’ word you’d jump all over them and call them racist. But you call whites rednecks?
What is the difference?
This is one of those “if you have to ask, then you’re too racist for me to be able to explain it to you” things…
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