Limbaugh Agrees With ‘Some Guy Named Shakir’: Tea Baggers Rooting For Obama To Fail
Limbaugh Agrees With ‘Some Guy Named Shakir’: Tea Baggers Rooting For Obama To Fail
This morning, I appeared on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal to discuss today’s nationwide tea party protests, and I made the following observation:
It’s “Fox News Protesters Against Obama,” at the end of the day. … What we shouldn’t forget is that Rush Limbaugh, who has said he hopes Obama fails, this is now the fruition of that effort. For the people who are hoping that Obama fails and actively plotting for his failure, this is what this effort is trying to do.
And I hope that the majority of the American public who agree with where President Obama stands and where he wants to take this country, understand that this is an effort that simply is trying to derail that.
On his radio show this afternoon, Limbaugh aired the clip of my appearance and responded to my argument by agreeing with me. He struggled with pronouncing my first name (note: it’s pronounced “Faiz” like “jazz”), so he referred to me as “some guy named Shakir from ThinkProgress.” Speaking about the tea party protesters, Limbaugh proceeded to say:
They’re not trying to derail failure. They want failure! He’s exactly right about that. These are people – and they’re not all Republicans. … Of course they want him to fail!
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Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.
Also, reminds me of how you left wing radicals what the tea parties to fail.
Whats the difference?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pmRush is a homosexual narcotics addict. Why else would he be so obsessed with everything anal?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThis is just the beginning. When Obama’s policies begin to have a positive effect, things will really get interesting.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pmCite please. We have Limbaugh right there in black and white. I look forward to reading your examples.
We didn’t have to “want” Bush would fail. We knew he would, but only because he was a moron who had wrecked a couple of companies and never accomplished anything in his life.
No wishing involved.
Limbaugh needs Obama to fail because Limbaugh will pay $1.5 million more in taxes under Obama. If Obama fails, Limbaugh can keep more of his money and who cares about America?
Neither you nor Limbaugh, apparently.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pmTim43 Says:
Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
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You’re giving us way too much credit. Bush achieved his spectacular array of failures completely on his own, without any help from us left wingers.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmFlush Limpdick is an abject failure as a human being, so are his following dittoheads, for example, Tim43.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pmYou would like as Americans we should be working together to get our economy back working for the everyday people, but, I guess it’s too much to ask for.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pmWhether you like Limbaugh or not at least he tells the truth. Unlike Hannity who said he wanted President Obama to succeed but has a countdown to 2012 elections. Poor Hannity, he has yet to realize all he’s doing is counting down to Obama’s second term.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pmOh, good. b-cup should be here any minute to tell us what Rush really meant.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmOnly a fool would want their President to fail, because that would mean the country would be in grave danger. And it’s hard to imagine people who are so un-patriotic as to suggest that….
Progressives never wanted Bush to fail, but were scared spitless that he would find a way to screw it up, which he did.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmTim43 Says:
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Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.
Also, reminds me of how you left wing radicals what the tea parties to fail.
Whats the difference?
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Well, let’s see. First, you’ll have to supply some sort of facts (sorry about that, we know it’s not your regular MO).
Then, you’ll have to acknowledge that Shrub was not elected, but appointed.
Third, President Obama was duly elected by a substantial majority of voters. You FLEAbagger’s were elected by no one; nor could you if the pitiful (in numbers and appearance) handful that turned out for your over-hyped circle jerk is any indication of popularity of your viewpoint.
Fourth, President Obama has the support of the American people and they realize, as you certainly don’t, that if he fails, the country fails.
Fifth, Shrub succeeded in what he wanted to do and in every case it was a disaster for the country.
Now, see the difference?
I thought not.
Any other stupid questions?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm“He struggled with pronouncing my first name (note: it’s pronounced “Faiz” like “jazz”)”
Ah, the drugs will do that to ya, El Rushbo? The more that the right wingnuts keep acting clownish with stupidity such as the teabag party, the Party of No on their Circus tour, the GOP budgetless budget plan, and so on, the more that Obama’s plan will work to fix the economy and the less of the GOPs who are up for re-election won’t get back in.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pmRush says: “They’re not trying to derail failure. They want failure!
Well, Rushie, the teabaggers apparently got what they wanted — based on their weak turnout of know-nothing lemmings, these astroturf teabag protests clearly have failed today!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmdittododo’s
April 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmOh, and Faiz — Rush Limbaugh has now said that you’re right. That alone should frighten you more than anything…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pmWell, a lesser country might suppress a guy like Limba. Instead America will let him make a poor example of himself, and learn something by it.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pmTim43 says;
Let’s see;
April 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmChimpy ignores PDB titled: Osama bin Laden determined to strike in US. And when it happened, it was on HIS watch-sounds like failure to me.
US Forces has Osama corned in Tora Bora-but lets him escape-Failure again.
Chimpy ignores warnings about levees won’t stand up against a hurricane like Katrina. Result: A city drowns. Another failure
Chimpy manufactures a case for war in Iraq-worst foreign policy folly since Vietnam. Yet ANOTHER failure.
Nope, chimpy achieved all this by HIS OWN HAND, no help or hope for failure from lefties needed.
Tim43, the tea baggers want the majority [us] to fail. Keep that in mind first when you make your comparisons between tea baggers and the rest of us.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm(note: it’s pronounced “Faiz” like “jazz”)
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Really?
All this time I’ve been pronouncing it with a glottal stop. Fa-eez. Silly me…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pmBush had approval ratings in the 90’s after 9-11. Everyone in the country got behind the president liberal included. Try imagining the right doing that for President Obama.
sorry timmy, us libs didn’t turn on bush until he let bin laden escape and invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11, and was no threat to us, and screwed that up, and lied about it, and wiped his ass with the consitution, andt took more vacation time than any president in history, and lied to us about everything from regretting trading sammy sosa to how big the perch he caught in his pond, to spyingon us, to torturing people, to outing a cia agent for political gaing…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pmJust finished the Fair Tax Rally here. It was awesome. Even had some liberals there. Interestingly enough, didn’t see anyone tipping over cars, setting things on fire, lynching effigy’s of Obama, strange…..
April 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmI watched the clip from CNN and the ignorance of these teabaggers is appalling! They don’t even know why they’re calling Obama a fascist?! This accomplishes absolutely nothing! It’s a straight up sideshow! RAHAHAHAHAHAH! My sides hurt from laughing. But on a serious note – this is just sad for them!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmApe-Man Says:
Tim43, the tea baggers want the majority [us] to fail. Keep that in mind first when you make your comparisons between tea baggers and the rest of us.
Proof??
April 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmBobwurst Says:
AMEN TO THAT!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pmBobwurst Says:
Bush had approval ratings in the 90’s after 9-11. Everyone in the country got behind the president liberal included. Try imagining the right doing that for President Obama.
sorry timmy, us libs didn’t turn on bush until he let bin laden escape and invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11, and was no threat to us, and screwed that up, and lied about it, and wiped his ass with the consitution, andt took more vacation time than any president in history, and lied to us about everything from regretting trading sammy sosa to how big the perch he caught in his pond, to spyingon us, to torturing people, to outing a cia agent for political gaing…
So you were spied on??
April 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmI’m sure Rush will be glad to take the leadership mantle of this as well as everything else. Apparently nobody else wants to be seen as responsible for it…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pmindependent989 Says:
Just finished the Fair Tax Rally here. It was awesome. Even had some liberals there. Interestingly enough, didn’t see anyone tipping over cars, setting things on fire, lynching effigy’s of Obama, strange…..
You would have needed more than three people to accomplish much of that. Perhaps that’s why.
I’m interested in hearing about the “liberals”, though. Were they wearing name tags? Pink triangles?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pmFirst, Billo. Now Rush. Kudos to TP and all of its serious posters. Keep the pressure on.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
independent989 Says:
Just finished the Fair Tax Rally here. It was awesome. Even had some liberals there. Interestingly enough, didn’t see anyone tipping over cars, setting things on fire, lynching effigy’s of Obama, strange…..
You would have needed more than three people to accomplish much of that. Perhaps that’s why.
I’m interested in hearing about the “liberals”, though. Were they wearing name tags? Pink triangles?
Actually multiply that by about 100. Not bad for a county of 4,000.
2 self confessed liberals were walking buy and signed up to get more info on the Fair Tax and one additional was protesting the event itself but then wanted to hear more about the Fair Tax. Not sure of the reasons or intentions, but they had some level of interest all the same. I hope they come to some meetings. I believe that their input would be valuable.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pmIf Rush is correct, then these tea baggers are not patriots because they want America to fail.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pmHey Tim… left wingers did not want Bush to fail. Bush failed on his own merits.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pmindependent989 Says:
You would have needed more than three people to accomplish much of that. Perhaps that’s why.
Actually multiply that by about 100. Not bad for a county of 4,000.
Evidence? Photos? News articles?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmTim43 Says
April 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
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“Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.”
– And when was this, exactly? I don’t remember anybody claiming they “wanted” Bush to fail. In fact, since he got us into some real clusterf**ks due to boneheaded thinking, most of us were hoping and praying he would succeed, because the alternative was unacceptable (even though that’s what we got). Don’t confuse a prediction that a short-sighted plan will fail with WANTING it to fail. When you’re a passenger on an airplane, you want the pilot to succeed, no matter what you think of his piloting style. Because if he crashes, you do too.
“Also, reminds me of how you left wing radicals what the tea parties to fail.”
– Again, predicting that these tea parties won’t make much impact on national policy isn’t the same as wanting them to fail. One doesn’t need to waste energy hoping for failure when it’s a foregone conclusion.
“Whats the difference?”
April 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm– Between what? Between predicting failure and hoping for failure? I would think that would be obvious. Or maybe you’re asking for a comparison between hoping for the failure of our President and hoping for the failure of your little tea parties. That’s easy. If the tea parties fail, it doesn’t affect the lives of American citizens one bit. If the President fails, it affects our country negatively in a profound way, since Obama’s plan is the only plan around that’s actually a plan.
gummble-bee-itch Says:
independent989 Says:
You would have needed more than three people to accomplish much of that. Perhaps that’s why.
Actually multiply that by about 100. Not bad for a county of 4,000.
Evidence? Photos? News articles?
Dud I just left there. How in the hell can there be a news article?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmFight for your right to be stupid.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
April 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmRush? Flush! Repeat.
A teabag tempest in a teapot? Hmm… A million tea bags in DC, with no place to go? Maybe our teabag tantrumettes could ship ‘em all over to Somali and have them ransomed for a couple of cups of good African coffee…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pmNow they say they are not republicans. So now we have the Democratic party, the Republican party, and the Tea party? Ok, i’m good with that.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmLooking forward to no more Sore Loser Convention coverage. It was certainly way over-hyped. I wonder how long it will take the goers to realize nothing will come of it.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pmHere is everything you need to know about Limpballs –>
He is bragging about being on a diet. He intends to lose 75 pounds — the 50 he needs to shed and another 25 so that he will have “room” to go back to his over-indulgent ways.
One element of his diet is that he is “refraining from adult beverages”. Now, of course, it is well-known that he is chemically dependent and has been in rehab. Yet, here he is letting it be known that he drinks “adult beverages” (except when he is on his diet).
This is all I need to know about him. He is an unrecovered addict with the self-aggrandizing ego and arrogance that accompanies his disease. Why should I care about anything he might have to say?
And, believe me, I know many recovering alcoholics. They are among the best people you could ever want to have as friends and colleagues. Limpballs is not a member of that club. I suspect that he will die an early death from consumption and or some condition related to his addictions. I will not shed a single tear for him when that happens.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmIf it’s not Raje the towel boy from the Caribbean limpydic doesn’t know how to pronounce brown people’s names. He purposely messes up Mfuma first name too.
What we shouldn’t forget is that Rush Limbaugh, who has said he hopes Obama fails, this is now the fruition of that effort.
I disagree. repugs attics will never come to fruition. Nothing they do come to fruition.
Anyhoo — limpydic is a junkie idiot. he proves that every day on and off the air.
hey limpy, get a loofah.
It’s funny how the repugs interloped on what was national day called Tax Day. They have hijacked the crowds and called them their own. There are a few white knuckled repugs hiding their racist t-shirts nothing more.
repugs are idiots not afraid to show their ignorance or their big old moonshine smile on tv.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm#
Bob Says:
Looking forward to no more Sore Loser Convention coverage. It was certainly way over-hyped. I wonder how long it will take the goers to realize nothing will come of it.
I thought only the Fox News channel was covering these things? What are you doing watching Fox?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm#15 The Ctenocephalides Dogfather Says:
Well, Rushie, the teabaggers apparently got what they wanted — based on their weak turnout of know-nothing lemmings, these astroturf teabag protests clearly have failed today!
Hey, waidaminnit! They didn’t fail! I saw at least a hundred very angry people all across This Great Nation! It was on Tee-Bee!! Why you could barely tell how many people were there because all the shots on Faux Snooze were close-up frames where 4 or 5 people with signs (mostly speled right) filled the background so you couldn’t see the dozens of others….
Cheers,
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm@25 independent989
independent989, I’m glad you hope president Obama succeeds.
However, if the Tea Party doesn’t want president Obama to fail, they are not getting their message across – needs work!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm#23 independent989 Says:
Just finished the Fair Tax Rally here. It was awesome. Even had some liberals there. Interestingly enough, didn’t see anyone tipping over cars, setting things on fire, lynching effigy’s of Obama, strange…..
Yeah. Four or five Operaton Chickenhawk Cheeto-Eaters couldn’t turn over a car if they tried. And when they’re so stoopid they can’t pour piss out of their boots if the instructions are written on the bottom, lighting fires is beyond their ken.
The lynching of Obama effigies was at the Palin rallies.
Cheers,
April 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pmTim43 Says:
No Tim, watching Bush, you didn’t hope for failure. You hoped for success, but you could see failure happening, like watching the Challenger take off with flames shooting out the o-ring on the side of the booster rocket. You could see a disaster coming, and after chimpy and dickles let it be known that they didn’t give a rat’s ass what anyone thought, that they intended to fly the plane right into the ground,you just had to put your head down and hope for the best. Not like now where a bunch of losers who used to scream “traitor” at anyone who disagreed with bush are perfectly comfortable publicly attacking another wartime president and doing everything possible to weaken him, buckets of hypocrisy be damned.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pmTim43 Says:
Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.
Also, reminds me of how you left wing radicals what the tea parties to fail.
Whats the difference?
Kinda like chimpy had the backing from “people” like you to destroy any resemblance of our true glory. It’s chimpy’s failures that was well on the road to hell, you made him fail. It’s your chimpy deal with it.
Yep, the teabagger had a huge success today, just like mooseyak and mcxmooseyak is a success. HAHAHAHAHAH
Just like bobby speech was a success.
Just like Iraq is a success.
Just like chimpy’s to-soon-to-miss-ya party is a success.
Get real teabagger.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmIndie989;
Did your parents have ANY children that lived?
I know, I know, it was a rhetorical question.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm@25 independent989
independent989, I’m glad you hope president Obama succeeds.
However, if the Tea Party doesn’t want president Obama to fail, they are not getting their message across – needs work!
The comment wasn’t about Obama failing it was about wanting the Majority to fail. Just to be clear.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmTom says: Everything you need to know…..
You left out 2 main parts.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm1) Limdick is a draft-dodging cowardly chickenhawk
2) Limpdick is a PUTZ! Period.
Uncle Ho Says:
Indie989;
Did your parents have ANY children that lived?
I know, I know, it was a rhetorical question.
Wow, dusted that one off to give me a good routing did ya?? Hey now say, I just flew in from the local whole foods store and boy are my arms tired. Weak…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmindependent989, maybe there was a grassroots element to the tea parties, but FOX news and rich republicans trampled all over those roots and then poured ashfault over them.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmApe-Man Says:
independent989, maybe there was a grassroots element to the tea parties, but FOX news and rich republicans trampled all over those roots and then poured ashfault over them.
Not at ours my friend.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pmindependent989,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pma couple of honest questions for you:
a)how much additional income tax did you pay this year due to president obama’s tax plan.
b) where were you for the past eight years when 43 was drunk on power and went on a spending orgy?
Dr. Moth Matt Says: #7
It’s really disturbing that whenever these Fox-fueled ignorant people speak, they have no idea what they’re talking about. The man has absolutely no clue what a fascist is. The only answer he has to her question is, “Because he is!” A better answer would be, “Because Fox told me he is!”
April 15th, 2009 at 4:03 pmBoss Limbaugh mispronounced Faiz’s name on purpose. The Boss doesn’t get out much, and he thinks that only “Christian” names are appropriate for use by Real Americans.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pmSo, let me get this straight… Think Progress is using the tea parties to divide Americans. TP portrays the tea parties as if only Right Wingers are attending the tea parties and the few hand selected pictures they posted on these blogs somehow discredits the majority of tea party attendies as well as the reason and meaning of the protests.
On top of this, I see that the TP-left-wing-radical-drones are lapping it up as if it is the gospel truth that only Right Wingers are attending these tea parties.
I just walked through one of the tea parties and it was very clearly comprised of Americans from all walks of life. I saw hispanics, african americans, women, teenagers, seniors and some of those “dreaded” … white men that you all hate so much. I saw a middle aged hispanic woman holding up a sign that said “Obama supporter for lower taxes and less waste”
TP writers and bloggers are being divisive and derisive. You are no better than the radical right wingers that you bash.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
independent989,
a couple of honest questions for you:
a)how much additional income tax did you pay this year due to president obama’s tax plan.
b) where were you for the past eight years when 43 was drunk on power and went on a spending orgy?
A.) A much more money last year, and to your point, that definitely had nothing to do with Obama. What I will tell you is that I do believe that raising taxes on anyone, especially those that can and do provide jobs, is the wrong move to make at anytime but especially right now. Plus, it is counterproductive to what you would think that Obama wants to do, increase revenue to the Treasury. Lowering taxes increases tax revenue over the mid to long term. But I will go ahead and assume that we will not agree on that premise.
B.) To be honest, my part was explaining the Fair Tax and gathering together those that were of like mind so that we could do what we could to promote the Fair Tax. I did not even Know what the Fair Tax was until about a year ago.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pmHere’s the reality: the majority of Americans support Obama.
These sheep simply can’t accept the fact that they LOST the presidential election to an African-American. It’s that simple.
Now all they have left to do is whine, and whine, and whine.
Let them!
It will continue to reinforce the fact the real Americans, the majority of Americans, what a fringe element the repubiliCON party has become.
Living it and loving it!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pmTimmeh,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pma couple of honest questions for you:
a)how much additional income tax did you pay this year due to president obama’s tax plan.
b) where were you for the past eight years when 43 was drunk on power and went on a spending orgy?
Tim43 Says:
So, let me get this straight… Think Progress is using the tea parties to divide Americans. TP portrays the tea parties as if only Right Wingers are attending the tea parties and the few hand selected pictures they posted on these blogs somehow discredits the majority of tea party attendies as well as the reason and meaning of the protests.
On top of this, I see that the TP-left-wing-radical-drones are lapping it up as if it is the gospel truth that only Right Wingers are attending these tea parties.
I just walked through one of the tea parties and it was very clearly comprised of Americans from all walks of life. I saw hispanics, african americans, women, teenagers, seniors and some of those “dreaded” … white men that you all hate so much. I saw a middle aged hispanic woman holding up a sign that said “Obama supporter for lower taxes and less waste”
TP writers and bloggers are being divisive and derisive. You are no better than the radical right wingers that you bash.
Wow Tim, that was good stuff, seriously.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pmindependent989,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pmso you’re answers are
a) nothing
b)silent.
thanks for your honesty
timmeh,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pmdidn’t it seem odd to you these people weren’t WORKING on a WORK DAY during WORKING HOURS?
@50 independent989, what is your sentiment towards president Obama and his plans? how did it compare to the sentiment of the people at the meeting?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm#
Bozo The Neocootiebug Says:
independent989,
so you’re answers are
a) nothing
b)silent.
thanks for your honesty
Well as long as you are looking to put forth an honest dialogue and not just take idiotic cheap shots, you are welcome. Tongue placed firmly in cheek.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pmApe-Man Says:
@50 independent989, what is your sentiment towards president Obama and his plans? how did it compare to the sentiment of the people at the meeting?
I do not agree with increasing spending by 8.3% and raising taxes to do so. I do not agree with adding 10 Trillion to the national Debt and raising taxes to “attempt” to pay for it. I would say that most at the rally would agree with those 2 statements. Now, that is not what I was there for, I was there to promote Fair Tax, but those are my feelings as far as Obama and Taxes are concerned.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pmindependent989,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pmjust like i feel it’s great you’ve finally found your “soul as a protester” only after 43 was swept out of office, leaving us in massive debt. Tongue placed firmly in cheek
Bozo The Neocootiebug Says:
independent989,
just like i feel it’s great you’ve finally found your “soul as a protester” only after 43 was swept out of office, leaving us in massive debt. Tongue placed firmly in cheek
Never said that I found my soul as a protester. Did say I was promoting Fair Tax. And I explained why I started with this rally, but of course you don’t want to listen. So out of character.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pmindependent989,
April 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pmbut apparently you didn’t have a problem with 43 funding the war in iraq off the books for years years though, right?
independent989, maybe you should start a new political party. The republicans are done.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm#
Ape-Man Says:
independent989, maybe you should start a new political party. The republicans are done.
For me it is not about party, it is about issues. Thus, independent989.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
independent989,
but apparently you didn’t have a problem with 43 funding the war in iraq off the books for years years though, right?
Are you asking if I had a problem with him funding it or funding it off of the books?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pmSo Faiz…You all set to apologize to the big man tomorrow?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pmI also agree with Shakira.
Oh yeah, boo at the stupid neocon who thinks that getting three non-protestors passing by to sign his mailing list means that it was a “nonpartisan” demonstration…
April 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pmElBruce Says:
I also agree with Shakira.
Oh yeah, boo at the stupid neocon who thinks that getting three non-protestors passing by to sign his mailing list means that it was a “nonpartisan” demonstration…
And when did I say that?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pmHoly crap, just for the hell of it, I Googled “fair tax” to see what I989 keeps on blathering about – get this, it’s a national sales tax! Now I’m trying to keep my lunch down.
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ElBruce Says:
Holy crap, just for the hell of it, I Googled “fair tax” to see what I989 keeps on blathering about – get this, it’s a national sales tax! Now I’m trying to keep my lunch down.
And what is the problem with a national sales tax? You going to miss the IRS???
April 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pmindependent989 Says:
I do believe that raising taxes on anyone … is the wrong move to make at anytime …
Just wanted to cut that out to make sure I’m getting this right: taxes should never go up, but always go down? The end result of that is saying that the tax rate should be 0%. Which would mean that there is no government, only anarchy. Are you an anarchist?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pmWELL OVER the majority, a landslide majority, victory (this is what a victory looks like repugs) more than who voted, too many people for the repugs to control won the last two elections.
President Obama keeps on giving us gifts from the constitution that your criminal ilk overrode.
No matter what bull these teabaggly trolls post, they will lose even bigger come next year.
Keep up the good work repugs.
You better start pulling your head out of the stinkin ass of big “business.”
April 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm#
ElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
I do believe that raising taxes on anyone … is the wrong move to make at anytime …
Just wanted to cut that out to make sure I’m getting this right: taxes should never go up, but always go down? The end result of that is saying that the tax rate should be 0%. Which would mean that there is no government, only anarchy. Are you an anarchist?
Actually what I said was, :
“What I will tell you is that I do believe that raising taxes on anyone, especially those that can and do provide jobs, is the wrong move to make at anytime but especially right now.”
Now that it is in context, where does it say taxes should go to zero?? By using your argument and taking the other side, if all you want is for taxes to go up, do you think they should be at 100%. That would be socialism. Are you a socialist?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm#
ElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
I do believe that raising taxes on anyone … is the wrong move to make at anytime …
Just wanted to cut that out to make sure I’m getting this right: taxes should never go up, but always go down? The end result of that is saying that the tax rate should be 0%. Which would mean that there is no government, only anarchy. Are you an anarchist?
Actually what I said was, :
“What I will tell you is that I do believe that raising taxes on anyone, especially those that can and do provide jobs, is the wrong move to make at anytime but especially right now.”
Now that it is in context, where does it say taxes should go to zero?? By using your argument and taking the other side, if all you want is for taxes to go up, do you think they should be at 100%. That would be socialism. Are you a socialist?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pmWhy is that people hear the word “fair” and automatically assume it’s truthful?
A national sales tax hurts the poor and benefits the wealthy. The wealthy purchase more, and would pay more, but on an income basis, it’s a much much higher percentage of the lower classes’ income than it is the wealthy. As far as income levels, it’s regressive. It would be similar to swapping the current tax brackets so the lowest income classes pay 35% and the highest income classes pay 10%.
Did no one bother to tell you that?
Not such a wonderful idea to scalp the poor, who need every dime they can get just to feed themselves and keep themselves in a home, and give even more breaks to the wealthy to supposedly create jobs, which they won’t do, because they’d rather raise their CEOs’ salaries instead.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pmsmidget Says:
Why is that people hear the word “fair” and automatically assume it’s truthful?
A national sales tax hurts the poor and benefits the wealthy. The wealthy purchase more, and would pay more, but on an income basis, it’s a much much higher percentage of the lower classes’ income than it is the wealthy. As far as income levels, it’s regressive. It would be similar to swapping the current tax brackets so the lowest income classes pay 35% and the highest income classes pay 10%.
Did no one bother to tell you that?
Not such a wonderful idea to scalp the poor, who need every dime they can get just to feed themselves and keep themselves in a home, and give even more breaks to the wealthy to supposedly create jobs, which they won’t do, because they’d rather raise their CEOs’ salaries instead.
This is a common misconception and further research, other than just parroting talking points would have proved it to be true. The fair tax is actually more progressive than the current system. With the current system you have the Payroll tax, which for most at the lower end of the earning spectrum, this is the highest tax that they pay as a percentage of their income. With the Fair Tax, there would be no payroll tax. All federal income/estate taxes would be paid by the national sales tax. Plus, all households would receive a prebate in the amount of 5600 per year that would pay for all federal taxes up to about 22,500 per year. And since the prebate is a fixed 5600 for everyone independent of income, those that make under 22,500 per year will actually be getting a credit. Now how is that regressive again?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pmElBruce Says:
Holy crap, just for the hell of it, I Googled “fair tax” to see what I989 keeps on blathering about – get this, it’s a national sales tax! Now I’m trying to keep my lunch down.
Hey Bruce, still waiting for a response.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pmindependent989 Says:
Actually what I said was, :
“What I will tell you is that I do believe that raising taxes on anyone, especially those that can and do provide jobs, is the wrong move to make at anytime but especially right now.”
Now that it is in context, where does it say taxes should go to zero??
The context doesn’t change the fact. You stated that raising taxes is the wrong move to make at any time. Therefore, you are saying taxes should never go up, regardless of the situation. The end result of that is a tax rate of 0%.
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independent989 Says:
By using your argument and taking the other side, if all you want is for taxes to go up, do you think they should be at 100%. That would be socialism. Are you a socialist?
If I said that taxes should never go down, then that would ultimately lead to a 100% tax rate. Which is why I wouldn’t say something that stupid.
Also, a 100% tax rate would constitute totalitarian communism, not socialism. Those are two completely different things.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pmindependent989 Says:
This is a common misconception and further research, other than just parroting talking points would have proved it to be true.
(parrots talking points)
Now how is that regressive again?
Really rich people would be paying something like 2%. Therefore, proportionally speaking, everybody else would be paying a much greater deal of the overall tax burden.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pmElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
Actually what I said was, :
“What I will tell you is that I do believe that raising taxes on anyone, especially those that can and do provide jobs, is the wrong move to make at anytime but especially right now.”
Now that it is in context, where does it say taxes should go to zero??
The context doesn’t change the fact. You stated that raising taxes is the wrong move to make at any time. Therefore, you are saying taxes should never go up, regardless of the situation. The end result of that is a tax rate of 0%.
You are making an assumption that the tax rates will continue to change until they are at zero. You amke an assumption that was never stated in my argument. Therefore your argument is specious. That is what I was trying to illustrate.
independent989 Says:
By using your argument and taking the other side, if all you want is for taxes to go up, do you think they should be at 100%. That would be socialism. Are you a socialist?
If I said that taxes should never go down, then that would ultimately lead to a 100% tax rate. Which is why I wouldn’t say something that stupid.
Also, a 100% tax rate would constitute totalitarian communism, not socialism. Those are two completely different things.
It can be argued whether or not it would be Socialism or Communism in any form. Attacking me doesn’t make your argument any more valid.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
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Timmeh,
a couple of honest questions for you:
a)how much additional income tax did you pay this year due to president obama’s tax plan.
b) where were you for the past eight years when 43 was drunk on power and went on a spending orgy?
Bozo, your questions are completely irrelevant and designed to insinuate that Americans should only care about taxes when/if they are raised.
You mistake me for a republican lapdog that would blindly defend Bush similar to the way that you left-wing-drones blindly defend obama.
The fact is, I completely distained bush’s spending policies and lost faith in him when he started spending like a drunken liberal left wing radical in a red-light district.
But you completely ignore the reality. Your master obama and his pelosi-reed led congress are combining to dwarf bush’s spending. http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/bg2249.cfm
Do you drones actually believe that you will not pay for this reckless liberal spending in the future?
Quite the contrary … your childrens children will be paying for the reckless spending of both parties. But, lets be very clear, no president and congress has even come close to the obama-pelosi spending in three short months.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pmElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
This is a common misconception and further research, other than just parroting talking points would have proved it to be true.
(parrots talking points)
Now how is that regressive again?
Really rich people would be paying something like 2%. Therefore, proportionally speaking, everybody else would be paying a much greater deal of the overall tax burden.
Do you have some proof or that 2%? Anecdotal or otherwise?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Tim43 Says:
You mistake me for a republican lapdog that would blindly defend Bush similar to the way that you left-wing-drones blindly defend obama.
We MISTAKE NOTHING. You’re just ANOTHER REPUBLICAN LAPDOG that is BLINDLY ATTACKING while PROJECTING your INSANITY AT OTHERS…
Well as long as your being rational not attacking personally and using facts.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pmindependent989 Says:
You are making an assumption that the tax rates will continue to change until they are at zero.
From time to time, things change. If you prevent them from changing in one direction, then over time, they will go as far as they can in the other.
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independent989 Says:
It can be argued whether or not it would be Socialism or Communism in any form.
No, it can’t be argued, at least not from any rational standpoint. We’re talking about absolute state ownership and control of all economic transactions That’s nothing less than totalitarian communism. Socialism is something else entirely. If you don’t know the difference, then you’ve got no business bloviating on economic matters.
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independent989 Says:
Attacking me doesn’t make your argument any more valid.
A) It’s not possible to get “more valid.” My argument is already valid, period.
B) Attacking you is its own reward. I do it for the sheer joy of it. Imbecile.
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Tim43 Says:
But you completely ignore the reality. Your master obama and his pelosi-reed led congress are combining to dwarf bush’s spending. http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/bg2249.cfm
Look, a Heritage Foundation link! (drinks)
April 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pmindependent989 Says:
Do you have some proof or that 2%? Anecdotal or otherwise?
Nope, that’s right out of my ass. Let’s get a number from you though – what percent of their overall income (including all capital gains) do you think the wealthiest 1% actually spend on goods and services?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:33 pmElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
You are making an assumption that the tax rates will continue to change until they are at zero.
From time to time, things change. If you prevent them from changing in one direction, then over time, they will go as far as they can in the other.
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independent989 Says:
It can be argued whether or not it would be Socialism or Communism in any form.
No, it can’t be argued, at least not from any rational standpoint. We’re talking about absolute state ownership and control of all economic transactions That’s nothing less than totalitarian communism. Socialism is something else entirely. If you don’t know the difference, then you’ve got no business bloviating on economic matters.
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation..
Main Entry:
com·mu·nism Listen to the pronunciation of communism
Pronunciation:
\?käm-y?-?ni-z?m, -yü-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French communisme, from commun common
Date:
1840
1 a: a theory advocating elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed2capitalized a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d: communist systems collectively
The general argument that you put forth could be covered by either. You lose.
independent989 Says:
Attacking me doesn’t make your argument any more valid.
A) It’s not possible to get “more valid.” My argument is already valid, period.
B) Attacking you is its own reward. I do it for the sheer joy of it. Imbecile.
A)Wrong – see above point.
B)I am glad I could provide some sort of “reward” to you since I am sure that you are not able to provide “rewards” for yourslef, no matter how small. I don’t come here for “rewards”. I come here to be challenged by intelligent progressives. Guess I’ll keep looking.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pmindependent989 Says:
The general argument that you put forth could be covered by either. You lose.
No, the definition of communism, as you provided it, is the only thing that applies to a 100% tax rate. You lose.
Of course, it’s totally a side-issue. Arguing about what to call a 100% tax rate is a silly exercise, since no such thing has ever existed on the face of the Earth, even in the USSR.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pmElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
Do you have some proof or that 2%? Anecdotal or otherwise?
Nope, that’s right out of my ass. Let’s get a number from you though – what percent of their overall income (including all capital gains) do you think the wealthiest 1% actually spend on goods and services?
Don’t know. On average we as a country have a negative savings rate. I would doubt that they are spending less than 35% as a whole. What amount do you think there effective tax rate is today?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:49 pmElBruce Says:
independent989 Says:
The general argument that you put forth could be covered by either. You lose.
No, the definition of communism, as you provided it, is the only thing that applies to a 100% tax rate. You lose.
Of course, it’s totally a side-issue. Arguing about what to call a 100% tax rate is a silly exercise, since no such thing has ever existed on the face of the Earth, even in the USSR.
Great, neither has total Anarchy, on a large scale, in the modern era.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pmindependent989 Says:
Don’t know. On average we as a country have a negative savings rate. I would doubt that they are spending less than 35% as a whole. What amount do you think there effective tax rate is today?
The average savings rate is immaterial, as we’re concerned entirely with distribution relative to that average. Which is to say, whether there’s an inverse correlation between income and % of income spent.
Let’s say I make ten million dollars a year. Am I spending 3.5 million a year on goods and services? That’s $100K per day…
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independent989 Says:
Great, neither has total Anarchy, on a large scale, in the modern era.
True. But I’m not going to start up an argument with you as to whether “anarchy” means the same thing as “free market capitalism.” Or maybe I will…
April 15th, 2009 at 6:14 pmWhoot, indy is on a roll. Not making any more sense than a bucket of warm pee but on a roll.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:18 pm$10K per day, sorry.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:18 pmindependent989 Says:
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@25 independent989
independent989, I’m glad you hope president Obama succeeds.
However, if the Tea Party doesn’t want president Obama to fail, they are not getting their message across – needs work!
The comment wasn’t about Obama failing it was about wanting the Majority to fail. Just to be clear.
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So you’re against majority rule, huh? I’m shocked…shocked I tell you.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pmRush doesn’t support the President, Rush doesn’t support the President. Rush doesn’t support the President. NEWS FLASH, THE LEFT AND RIGHT DON’T SUPPORT THE OTHER PARTIES PRES.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pmTim43 Says:
Huh, kind of reminds me of when the left wingers wanted Bush to fail.
Also, reminds me of how you left wing radicals want the tea parties to fail.
Whats the difference?
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here’s the difference, bush failed on his own with all his bad and horrible policy making and inept advisers that brought america to near ‘ruins’.
…and yes, I wanted the tea-parties to fail because it’s based on all lies and no truth to the contrary?
April 15th, 2009 at 10:11 pmTim 43,
Skip the money, taxes and deficits. If Obama and his spending plan fail, we may not have an economy to leave our children. Reaganomics has pushed this country to resemble the countries to our south. Gated communities where the privileged live and the common guy be dammed. You know the ones I am thinking about. The Europeans have worked out social contracts and economies; the common guy is doing OK.
They are not in as bad a shape as we are right now.
Second, we are still a democracy and Obama has won by a major plurality of the vote. The majority has spoken; we are a country of laws. The country is not well served with the Republican rhetoric, or catering to the extreme fringe groups.
You have a choice, look like Europe, or look like Argentina!
April 15th, 2009 at 11:08 pmThats correct. Rush did say he hopes President Obama fails. If President Obama fails, our way of life continues. The free markets will continue. Not all businesses were meant to succeed. It’s hard to keep up with all the worlds President Obama keeps talking about. For every crisis President Obama envisions he has a different world he wants to create. We can only live in one world at a time.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 amChapalody Says:
Thats correct. Rush did say he hopes President Obama fails. If President Obama fails, our way of life continues. The free markets will continue.
I’m really sorry to be the first one to break this to you, but the economy completely crashed back in September. Like, totally tanked. Kablooey! It’s sad that you have to hear it from me, but I guess the cryogenic chamber kept you out of the loop for a while or something, huh?
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Chapalody Says:
It’s hard to keep up with all the worlds President Obama keeps talking about. For every crisis President Obama envisions he has a different world he wants to create. We can only live in one world at a time.
You’re using the multiple-worlds theory implied by quantum physics just to criticize Obama? Congratulations, I think you just achieved some kind of Nobel prize for wingnuttery there.
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