DeLay defends Gov. Perry, explains how Texas could secede from the Union.
DeLay defends Gov. Perry, explains how Texas could secede from the Union.
Yesterday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) raised the specter of his state seceding from the Union “if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people.” Today on MSNBC, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay offered a staunch defense of Perry’s statement, saying the Texas governor was “standing up for [Texas's] sovereignty.” DeLay elaborately explained how Texas could secede:
Q: You can’t secede from the Union!
DeLAY: Texas was a republic. It joined the Union by treaty. There’s a process in the treaty by which Texas could divide into five states. If we invoke that, and the last time it was voted on was 1985, the United States Senate would kick us out and nullify the treaty because they’re not going to allow 10 new Texas senators into the Senate. That’s how you secede.
“So we would kick them out of the Union? That’s nutty!” asked Matthews. “Yeah…it’s not nutty!” DeLay responded. Watch it:
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No,….it’s nutty alright.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:15 pmWell, what are you waiting for? GO!
Drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires — don’t call us.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:19 pmI’m so glad to see the heel wearing, bug killing king, hot tub Tom again.
He makes my skin crawl. He screams perv.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pmThat would be excellent if Texas secedes. I strongly encourage it. All the liberals would move out, and their places would be filled by rabid republicons.
It would be high comedy to watch Texas turn slowly into a dysfunctional, third-world country. Is there a petition I could sign?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pmPlease go – I had forgotten about DeLay – don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ – these people are completely, total, bat$hit crazy
April 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThe progressive states would happily welcome refugees from the New Confederacy (of Dunces).
April 16th, 2009 at 6:23 pmOT, breaking news. The Alaska Legislature turned down Sarah Palin’s nominee for Attorney General and the vote wasn’t even close. Another big loss for GINO Palin!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:23 pmI’m sure all those rich Republicans in Texas will be HAPPY to pony up the money needed to run their new country.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pmpastcaring ceratopogonidae Says:
I’m so glad to see the heel wearing, bug killing king, hot tub Tom again.
What I don’t understand is Chris Matthew’s fascination with DeLay. He has him on his show on a regular basis and he doesn’t treat him like he’s a wing-nut.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pmTexas is a diverse place, with a history of liberalism and a growing Hispanic population. If it divided into a few smaller states, it’s not at all clear that the additional senators would be rightwing wackos. The result could be a net gain for the good guys.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pmStop talkin’ ’bout it, rockstar, just do it!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pm. . . and the GOP are wondering why their arses were kicked in 2006 and 2008. What a sad song these clowns are singing.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pmEven Chris had to say: “This is crazy talk”, and Delay told Chris he was wrong. These guys are NUTS, totally NUTS in their hatred of Obama. The guy has been in office less than 90 days, and these NUTS are talking secession.
And Delay is not just the usual NUT Job. This Traitor was the Leader of the Republican House members during his time in Congress.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:27 pmDuring his Presidency, Andrew Jackson offered to send Federal troops down to South Carolina and hang the leaders of the secessionist movement.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pmAll of this talk about tea party protests, socialism/fascism/communism and succeeding from the Union is just a stylized form of the right-wingers laying on their backs, holding their breath and kicking their feet like children having a tantrum. They lost and they can’t cope. They want everyone to pay attention to them and sympathize, and they don’t care if it’s the KKK, Nazis or Birchers.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:31 pmCourse, that won’t be necessary here.
Because as I said earlier, neocons and Christian conservatives are great at “talking” about going to war.
But as their leaders history shows us they’re just not too keen on actually doing it.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 pmFrom my comment yesterday:
But the gov has to promise to give up this. And these. And these.
For starters.
From the first link:
Dollar Amount of Defense Contracts Awarded to Contractors in this State from 2000 to 2008 $255,920,123,107
Number of Defense Contracts Awarded to Contractors in this State from 2000 to 2008 165,610
The second link is to all the military bases in Texas. And that’s the US Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard, deLay, not the Texas Republic Army. More than 100,000 active duty military personnel stationed in Texas. You can say goodbye to them and all the money they’ve been spending in your state, along with whatever taxes they’ve been paying. Have a great life!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 pmDon of Cali,
If you find that petition I’ll sign it too.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 pmDelay showing his real patriotism spots. Take note for next time he claims he works on behalf of the Nation.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI don’t understand anything about Chris Matthew’s or most others of the MSM. It gets really old to hear the same lies and B.S. and when you know what’s really going on.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:33 pmThe FBI has another secessionist to follow. Start up the phone taps and e-mail screening.
1. Rick Perry
April 16th, 2009 at 6:33 pm2. Tom DeLay
Will somebody please prosecute these crooks, put them in jail then maybe we can have some peace and not have to listen to them go on and on and on with their stupid, ridiculous opinions all the damn time.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:36 pmThe Repubs are taking their ball home–they don’t want to play anymore.
:(
April 16th, 2009 at 6:38 pmYou mean their balls…or their tea-bags?
:]
April 16th, 2009 at 6:39 pmThe old Hammer was huffin’ pesticide fumes for a long, long time before they started putting out those socialist warning labels and communist respirators.
Poor ol’ feller got his brains et up.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:41 pmImagine the inbreeding problem if they do secede.
You think it’s bad now?
:|
Wait till they close the borders.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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pastcaring ceratopogonidae Says:
I’m so glad to see the heel wearing, bug killing king, hot tub Tom again.
What I don’t understand is Chris Matthew’s fascination with DeLay. He has him on his show on a regular basis and he doesn’t treat him like he’s a wing-nut.
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Exactly. For some strange (or stranger) reason Tweets loves him some Hammer.
My question is when is Tweety going to ask him about his corruption trial. Anyone hear anything about this?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pmSooooooo……what are you waiting for, Texas, a kiss goodbye?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pmOk, Texas thinks it should secede. Start the negotiations.
First they have to agree to take all of the remaining 25 percenters from all the other red states.
Second, they have to agree to free passage to all of the sane Texans.
Finally, they also have to agree that the border between the US and Texas should be permanently closed and a Cuba-like embargo put in place.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pmWhen did this felon get out of prison?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pmThat second meant free passage into the US.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm1) Why is DeLay not in jail?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm2) If Texas seceded from the Union, the collective IQ of the rest of the country would rise 50 points.
3) Give it back to the Indians.
My first post! I agree – let Texas GO! America has no more to gain from these gun-toting nut cases. 8-years of GW Bush and 4 from his stupid dad are more than I can handle!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pmThis whole thing is much ado about nothing. None of these people have the slightest intention of seceding.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:50 pmOh Sweet Jesus! I had completely forgotten that if Texas goes, so does DeLay. This looks better and better.
Just do it!!
I will offer political asylum here in AZ for a couple of my liberal friends wanting to escape Texas.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pmLooks like Wacko Perry has company. I just saw on Daily Kos that the Georgia Senate has passed a resolution calling for the secession of Georgia.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pmRepublican Strategy:
Plan A. Cut taxes
Plan B. Secede.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pmJim Wolf359 Says:
Looks like Wacko Perry has company. I just saw on Daily Kos that the Georgia Senate has passed a resolution calling for the secession of Georgia.
And all because we elected a black man for president? Is it that simple? It seems that way to me.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pmLet them go. It’s like the spoiled kid living off his parents screaming they can do it themselves. Let them make their own country and follow the Republican ideology.
And just like those spoiled brats, how long do you think it would take for them to come crawling and begging?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pmGood-bye, Tom DeLay, don’t let the door hit you in the ass! After you return the simulus dollars, federal programs, such as Medicare, social security, veteran’s benefits, education dollars, military installations, and pay for your interstate roadways systems, railroads, airports, federal lands and infrastructure, relinquish all government financed property, including the damned border wall, and pay all your 2009 taxes that is. Just be sure to take G.W. Bush, Governor Perry, Tom Delay, Karl Rove, and any of the other rightwingnut Texas policians with you. Just don’t come crying when a hurricane, tornado, or other disaster hits. Good riddance!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:00 pmGo ahead and secede.
You’ve seen what the US does to small, defenseless oil-bearing countries.
We’d come “liberate” them in no time.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pmThere wouldn’t be much they could do about that. It would be up to the rest of us.
Texas isn’t going to secede. Every single state has a secessionist movement. There’s even some Northern Californians who want to make a new state out of part of California and part of Oregon. Nothing ever came of it, and nothing ever will, despite prayers to the contrary offered by some of us. There is way too much that both the leaving state and the United States would lose if something like that happened. Especially from Texas (can anyone say “oil fields”)
The only possible way would be if one side or the other was willing to risk war to do it. Even these Texans aren’t that crazy, although there might be enough senators in the rest of the country to do another Civil War to “keep our national resources intact.”
April 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pmI am going to have to rethink my resistance to a walled border.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:04 pmThey think they have trouble now with the Mexican drug cartels… imagine if they didn’t have the USA to fall back on! It would be Ciudad Juarez all the way up to Oklahoma.
Of course, they really don’t mean it. They just want air time, to pretend to be relevant.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pmMaybe Hugo Chavez will offer them some help?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pmIt would be hilarious if their bluff was called…I would love to see the looks on their faces then.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pmIs there that much oil left in Texas? Didn’t midland dry up and that’s why the Bushes wanted iraq?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pmPerry can take all the far right nuts with him.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pmDelay is trying to polish a turd! I’m watching this now in utter disbelief! Psychobabble! OMG! They need to impeach Perry!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pmIsn’t this treason-talk? I’m sorry, how do these same people get to wave the Stars and Stripes at every opportunity, then boast about how they’re thinking of ditching it at the first opportunity they have some bullshit grievance?
There really are some smart, progresive people in Texas. But they really are outnumbered by numbskulls. Macho trash-talking, yeah, go elect Chuck Norris as president of your Texas Republic, idiots. Dear God, spare us.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pmOpps, in moderation….I’ll try again.
Cripes, Republicans are complete as$holes.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:16 pmLike I said last night, they would never secede, because it would kick them out of the college football conference, and they’d be stuck playing only their secessionist brethren.
That would never happen, because there are too many Al Bundy’s in Texas.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:17 pmHow many more generations until Texans and southerners realize their former status as a nations is irrelevant?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:17 pmI want to smack DeLays’ smarmy face – AHHHH! Ignorant big oil crony.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pmRespect to the students at UNC – ran Tancredo off the campus and would not let him speak! I don’t like violence but it was too good to watch them shout him down! LOL!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:19 pm…
alejandro,
you know what your problem is?
you’re afraid to dream.
:\
April 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pmIs Rush supplying Tom DeLay the Oxycontin or is DeLay just slathering the good cough syrup on his ribs and pork instead of any BBQ sauce?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:22 pmThey’re acting exactly how an insecure lover acts — speaks of the most intense devotion to you one minute, then threatening to leave the next.
Face it, the GOP is unbalanced.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pmThe right is getting really nutty, for DeLay to defend something that contradicts what every school child knows and repeats every morning (or at least did when I went to school)baffles me. What is that thing that every child knows, but Perry and DeLay do not: The Pledge of Allegience, remember the part: “…. one nation, indivisable”.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pmBye Bye Texas–
April 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pmplease make sure Bush, DeLay, Coulter, Malkin, Beck, Hannity, Rush, etc. establish residence first. Let them have a it and let’s build a big wall.
I’d say DeLay has to be a huge fan of the TV show Jericho, since it’s apparent the GOP wants us to go down a road to a second Civil War and all.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pmLet them have a it and let’s build a big wall.
As a whole state of Bo and Luke Dukes tries to outdo each other, and be the first to jump it in a pickup truck.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:29 pmDoes this mean we can shoot them if they climb the wall like they want to do to Mexican illegals?
Good riddance. Give us back our money and GTFO.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:31 pmWhy does Chris Matthews have Delay on his show? I remember when ‘The Hammer’ was in power and Tweety would practically kiss his butt. Now Delay is a has-been. Who cares what he thinks?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:32 pmNot to pile on, but if the gov does the deed, would he please allow Austin (city and the immediate enviorns) to remain in the US? It’s the only area of Texas worth saving. He can have the rest, especially College Station. Aggies, ugh.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:36 pmNo! Please no Texas! We’re begging you to stay! /sarcasm
Do these people actually think we care about Texas? Honestly that state has done more bad than good to the rest of America. I wouldn’t mine seeing it go back to mexico.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:36 pmLet Texas secede. They are a drag on our nation anyway.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:44 pmI’m getting to the point that I could live with Texas seceding. As long as they pay us for the interstate highway systems, return all of the stimulus funding, withdraw all military and equipment from the state and they pay us for all of the federal land owned in the state. I think I could get along with having to listen to Delay anymore.
Feh.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pmStandard GOP behavior: Never let reality get in the way of your rhetoric.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pmone thing before you go:
April 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pmcan we have the stimulus money back before you leave and we’ll be erecting an “immigration fence” along the border between texas and the united states to keep you assclowns out
Every time a Californian moves to Texas, it increases the average IQ’s of both states.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:57 pmI say fence in the entire state, and give them loads of guns and meth. Sit back and let darwin take care of them all.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pmI don’t think most Texans are as crazy as DeLay or Perry. Secession means no FEMA aid, no interstate highway money, no border patrol, no Medicare/Medicaid, and no social security. Oh yeah, and no stimulus money. Plus, they could no longer call the Cowboys “America’s Team.”
April 16th, 2009 at 8:01 pmThe bugman Delay is using the bug spray again. Always looking out for himself he wants a Senate Seat. Texas would be overtaken by Mexico before Gov. Perry could blink his eye. If the people of Texas allow it then see ya.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pmJackie Says:
Texas would be overtaken by Mexico before Gov. Perry could blink his eye
But… but… we don’t want Texas. It comes with Perry and Bush included. We’ve got enough idiots in our country already. =/
Now, throw in Hawaii in the package and we’ve got ourselves a deal.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:15 pmDelay probably thinks if Texas secedes the Justice Department will drop charges against him. I don’t think so.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Course, that won’t be necessary here.
Because as I said earlier, neocons and Christian conservatives are great at “talking” about going to war.
But as their leaders history shows us they’re just not too keen on actually doing it.
As a Christian conservative…I have spent my time in hell…or war as you deem it. I am a retired disabled Vet. What have YOU EVER done to show you are anything but a pansy liberal moron hiding behind a keyboard…among a sea of pantywaist?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:36 pmProgressive Republican Says:
I say fence in the entire state, and give them loads of guns and meth. Sit back and let darwin take care of them all.
as I have stated all along…you are not a Republican…but a snot nosed liberal.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pmI jut remember before the teabagging started how indignant the righties were about Obama saying half a sentence of bad stuff about the US.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pmHe’s supposed to be nothing but praise while you talk about breaking the nation up?
This is great !! DeLay AND Perry can go to jail together !! They can meet Joe Nacchio at the work camp in Pennsylvania! GREAT!!!
Get a big swath of the stink at once..
April 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pm…
rc,
as mike brady would say,
when you tell lies it’s awfully
hard for people to believe you
when you say you’re telling the
truth. after all why should people
believe you when you’ve lied so often
in the past?
**
you take a time out
and think about that.
:|
April 16th, 2009 at 8:42 pmFor some reason, I get the impression the G.O.P. is NOT doing that soul searching I heard so much about in January. Seems to me it’s back to business as usual for these scoundrels. Tom DeLay can be the poster boy for that notion, as soul searching is impossible for those with no souls.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pm77.RealityCheck Says: As a Christian conservative…I have spent my time in hell…or war as you deem it. I am a retired disabled Vet. What have YOU EVER done to show you are anything but a pansy liberal moron hiding behind a keyboard…among a sea of pantywaist?
You’re no vet.
Real vets don’t need to go to a progressive site and make up lies to play internet tough guy. Real vets are more interested in seeing that others, like their buddies, don’t go through more hell.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pmI’ll bet Puerto Rico would love to take their place.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
Well, what are you waiting for? GO!
Drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires — don’t call us.
They can leave. Texas belongs to the US not to them.
I bet these teabaggers will dress like “Mexicans.”
HAHAHAHAHA
Squirrelly
April 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pmI don’t mean to keep tooting my own horn, but there are liberals down here in Dallas and we are on the radio and get very little support from the west or east coast progessive
boards.
Trust me, it is much easier to be a liberal in NYC or LA than it is in the backyard of George and Laura Bush.
Yet, Ann Coulter gets a freaking pimple and Huffinton Post is all over it.
IJS…..Show us libs in the trenches some love. Our balls are even bigger than Ann Coulters.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pmRationalRadioJett,
i’m on your side and
i hope you stay in the union.
i’m a big zz top fan.
:)
April 16th, 2009 at 9:13 pmFive states, eh? How ’bout:
Inbredistan
LibertyAnus
Perry’s Folly
Sand Hole
FartMonkey
April 16th, 2009 at 9:15 pmI know many vets and they don’t like to brag about their war experiences like you and mcchimpy.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:16 pmWhy can’t we give Texas back to Mexico, then the Texans would be the illegals.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pmSeriously, Houston was so heroic helping Katrina victims. There’s a lot of good people there. Maybe the neo-cons want to keep being disruptive in the hopes of winning white house in 20012. Tea parties, secession, what’s next???
Five states eh? How ’bout:
BillyBob-istan
Gump
North SphincterSauce
ColonPudding
PassGaso
April 16th, 2009 at 9:22 pmThis is total hype. The GOP are acting like spoiled “dangerous” children wanting attention. Majority of the Texans think Gov. Perry has lost his mind.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pmI don’t believe enough Texans would support Perry’s attempt to secede. There will be a mass exodus of good people with commonsense. I would LOVE to see Perry try.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pmI’m watching Rachel Maddow and she mentioned all these states that have passed legislation for their ’soveriegnty.’
Well, Alaska can GET THE HELL ON TOO!
Sovereignty – spelling booboo
April 16th, 2009 at 9:27 pmFive states eh? How ’bout:
BarrenWaste
New Yucca Mountain
Hurricane Bullseye
Texaq
CowPieLand
April 16th, 2009 at 9:28 pmDear Texas,
Buh-bye…good luck with that Mexican invasion over YOUR border.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pmCUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!
Jebus. These wackadoodles are really damned embarrassing!!
Yes, please, Guv – take your freaks and GO!!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:42 pmSo much for these self-styled super patriots! Their loyalty to God and Country is an affront to both.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:52 pmDeLay also conceded that Texas had the biggest idiots in the country.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:52 pmDear Texas,
I forgot to tell you that you can take AZ, OK, LA, MS, KY, VA, AL, and SC with you — no charge!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pmbring it on! 5 new states ! I would bet that most end up Democratic!!! Long Live the Alamo!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:58 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Five states eh? How ’bout:
1. Paranoia?
2. Delusion?
3. Inebriation?
4. Denial?
5. Incoherence?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pmthese teabaggers know damn well they can’t secede from the US. Another bullshit talking point for the club of NO sense.
And they know if they go overseas they will be arrested.
the crooked crooks
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 pmLike RationalRadiojett, I too must navigate in the redfog where I live. He/she is correct — it ain’t fun. Or easy. I recommend t.m. Frequent t.m.! And lots of marijuana.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pmYes, after the first secession there was a treaty, not after the second time.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pmJust to pretend this is serious:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pmThe “5 state” option was not in the treaty of annexation, so Texas has no right to “invoke” anything. It was in the joint resolution approving annexation by Congress – not signed or voted on by Texas, since they weren’t in the Union yet. Once Texas was admitted into the Union, that option is negated by Art IV, Sec 3, Cl 1 of the US Constitution, which says that to form a new state within an existing state or by joining all or part of existing states, the state legislature(s) involved AND the US Congress must approve. Barring a Congressional majority voting to cut ‘em loose (and I don’t rule out the possibility), they’re not splitting into multiple states. DeLay is talking out of his Texas bum.
Please, secede as soon as possible.
I can’t wait for them to set up their tax-free, economic deregulated, gun-toting utopia.
I can’t wait for their already shoddy public school system to go belly up.
I can’t wait for their infrastructure to fall apart, because they have no public money to sustain it.
I can’t wait for the tornado and/or hurricane to rip through their unstable country, and have them cry to us for funds and relief because they can’t do it themselves.
What a joke.
Please, you nut-jobs, go away.
Just make sure you stay away.
Joe the Plumber for President of Texass!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:22 pmOT/ Here’s the high point of yesterday’s festivities:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/16/721092/-Open-Thread
April 16th, 2009 at 10:30 pmhttp://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/secession/index.html
More reading
April 16th, 2009 at 10:30 pmjedzep Says: Please, secede as soon as possible.
The Texas congress is 49% Democratic, and the senate is 19 (R) and 12(D)
Please dont fall into the group think trap
April 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pmTexas is doing quite well, thank you.
I went to Galveston/Houston to see for myself the damage from Ike. Its recovered quite well with little fanfare.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:35 pmJoe the plumber hails from Ohio. Just as the Bush family did.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:37 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Five states, eh? How ’bout:
Inbredistan
LibertyAnus
Perry’s Folly
Sand Hole
FartMonkey
So they have dinner with chimpy and this is all they can come up with? Sound as if they want to steal Texas and their self-named the taliban teabaggers are ready to start a war. They are getting together to shoot our first African-American President and they have no problem bragging about it, starting racist rallies and saying harmful things.
They know they will have serious problems if they disrupt our government. teabaggers want to overthrow the government for their big companies but mainly because they have a aching need to be superior racist. And why not? They used our finest to start a illegal invasion. they make on-the-fly laws, they use on-the-fly justifications for on-the-fly, on-the-flys.
stupid decisions by a covert “cowboy” racist.
They have a secret government inside and outside the government. blackwater? xe?
These nutzo need to be taken seriously.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:38 pmTexas is not going to secede..this is a non story.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:40 pmHum, let’s see. The Republics of Texas, Alaska and California. The Kingdom of Hawaii. The Commonwealths of Massachusetts and Virginia. Beginning to sound like the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. They allowed their constituent republics to secede. Why don’t we?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:43 pmIf Texas were to successfully secede, how many days do you think it would take for them to declare war on Mexico?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:01 pmThey wouldnt. They would team up with Mexico I would think.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pmRemember “Gorgan” from star Trek, the friendly angel?
“friendly angel come to me”
Well Delay = Gorgan
He’s going to turn very ugly before he disappears.
Same goes for all the republicans. don’t turn your head – look at them. look at them for what they are.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pmGood lord, get over your pre-conceived notions already. We are consumers.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm.
Because nothing screams “Country First” like succession…
… YES?
.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm.
Dear Texas,
If you go…
… Please take George and Laura with you.
XXOO
America.
.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:12 pmI mean, really, this talk of socialism and communism and fascism is divisional hogwallar.
America is not Britain or Germany or Russia and to conflate our society with theirs is just..its just BS. Fear mongering crapola meant to stir the crazy pot of fear.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:13 pmThey would bail to Connecticut or Maine.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pmAlright, one last time:
ANY AGREEMENT that the republic of texas had with the US when it became a state (after much begging I might add) was voided a few years later when texas seceded from the union.
It’s just like if you got a pre nup, then got married and divorced and then decide to remarry the same woman, ok?
That first pre nuptial agreement is specific to the first marriage and has no legal standing whatsoever with regards to the second marriage.
Likewise any agreement with the republic of texas with the US before texas became a state was fully nullified by texas’ joining the confederacy. END. OF. STORY.
These people are just talking out their asses. The governor of texas is embarrassingly ignorant.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pmOops…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pm“succession” should be seceding.
Perry got his behind handed to him when he bypassed legislature for his pharmaceutical cronyism to make a STD shot for cervical cancer mandatory. His government invasion was about profits.
Now hes talking secession so he can regain conservative suppport because he is due for reelection in the next year.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pmRealityCheck Says:
Progressive Republican Says:
I say fence in the entire state, and give them loads of guns and meth. Sit back and let darwin take care of them all.
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RealityCheck Says:
as I have stated all along…you are not a Republican…but a snot nosed liberal.
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How come Progressive Republican can’t be a snot nose moderate Republican? And just like I thought your a big whining snot nose right-wing extremist.
I am done with this subject as it is just silly
April 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pmDistraction. And just when will Delay be on trial? Ever?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:45 pmXisithrus Says:
Look you don’t have to waste your breathe explaining the history behind the first secession of Texas. I DON’T CARE TO HEAR IT! WHAT Y’ALL NEED TO DO IS JUST GET THE F(*k ON AND LEAVE THE STIMULUS MONEY! HEAR?! CRAZY A$$ WINGNUTS! ROTFL!
April 16th, 2009 at 11:53 pmStratRat Says:
And all because we elected a black man for president? Is it that simple? It seems that way to me.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Yeah, I really think that it’s that simple. As I said to Wayne tonight, if Senator Clinton, another moderate Democrat, had won the nomination and the election, and her first 2-1/2 months took even just a similar path, would all of these people, be spewing this kind of shite? I’d kinda like to know what our resident trolls think.
O/T but seriously: I hope that none of our friends here who live in Texas or have family there are in the tornado watch/severe weather areas. I was watching the Weather Channel, several counties are still under watches. All joking about Texas aside, I hope no one was seriously hurt.
Goodnight, all.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:31 amActually, I kind of like DeLay’s plan. Split up Texas five ways. We’ll take the Austin area back into the union immediately. Dallas-Ft. Worth will probably deal. The rest of them can just become the filthy backwaters they already are, except without any Federal or state support to keep their heads above water.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:41 amnygenxer Says:
Alright, one last time:
ANY AGREEMENT that the republic of texas had with the US when it became a state (after much begging I might add) was voided a few years later when texas seceded from the union.
Excellent point, just noticed that. Like the rest of the ex-Confederacy, they don’t get a choice. They lost.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:43 amBTW, ElBruce, nice to see you, I’m enjoying your comments. :)
Goodnight.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:48 amRE: Texas secession:
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Gotta love it.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:03 amCan’t we just kick some of the residents of the State of Texas out of the Union and Keep Texas itself?
April 17th, 2009 at 1:39 amRealityCheck Says:
He has shown he is intelligent and has a brain which NONE of you ignorant extra chromosome morons has managed to do yet. STUPID you have an excess of braincells an absolute DEARTH. You do KNOW you are a moron dont you?
April 17th, 2009 at 1:55 amRealityCheck Says:
as I have stated all along…you are not a Republican…but a snot nosed liberal.
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And as I have said all along you are an ignorant, brainwashed piece of human debris and I am not all that sure about human. More likely a subhuman moron.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:57 amscamon01
Good job scamon
April 17th, 2009 at 1:59 amDid RealityCheck watch too much FOX or something? FOX is capable of taking weaker souls.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:02 amXisithrus…
“Texas is doing quite well, thank you.”
Is Texass doing so well because of their shoddy public education, or is it because the illiteracy rate is through the roof?
Is Texass doing quite well because of it’s notoriously high crime rate? Or, is it the incarceration rate?
Is it because Texas has one of the highest pollution rates in the country?
Maybe, it’s the obesity epidemic in Texass that makes it so great. It’s just like they say, “Everything is bigger in Texas, especially the trucks, the belt buckles, and the women.”
If Texass is doing so well why did the people of that state elect an idiot who would actually threaten to secede?
As for talking about the need for Texass to secede; If it’s such a non-story, why would an elected official make such a ridiculous statement to the media.
The Governer of Texass created the story. He also did it for a reason. He did it so that the right wing lunatics on the radio and Fox, would jump all over this and start some bone-headed movement toward state sovereignty and possible secession.
Is that going to happen? Absolutely not.
That also doesn’t mean that the roundheads who listen to that drivel are going to take it and run with it.
Just like they believe Obama is a Socialist.
Just like they believe the Liberals are going to take their guns away.
Just like they believe Obama is an Arab, and possibly a terrorist.
Maybe, it’s just like when the right wing nut-jobs convince their sheep-like followers to attend an anti tax rally, when those protesting are, in fact, going to receive a tax break.
Except of course, the rich people who funded these events. They might have to pay a little bit more.
One more thing. I am glad to hear that the destruction caused by hurricane Ike was resolved. I’m also glad that the Federal response to that crisis was efficient and solved the problems there.
Finally, to say the remarks of an elected public official are a “non-story”. I will disagree completely. We are currently trying to recover from the policies imposed by a former, right wing, doofus Governer from Texass. And, we don’t want another radical nim-wit to have the chance to ruin this country even further.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:05 amIn New York there are those that wish to secede from NY, not from the US. They wish to make a NEW 51st state called Long Island, with NYC as its capital. But, I guess that it would become the 56st state. ALso if California would allow that portion to secede into a new state then there is 4 new left senators to the “possible” 10 new “formerly called Texas” 10 state senators that teh bugkiller talks about, and then again as others have said, those 5 new states do not ALL turn RED. More than likely 2 of them would be Blue, so ther you have it, equality. 8 new Blue senators and 8 new Red senators.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:11 amBut I doubt even 3 of those Formerly called Texas states would even be Red. Without Delay’s Gerrymandering of seats they will be lucky if they get 1 of the new formerly called Texas states Red. And boy, would that place be a sight to see. Fear and famine and tax cuts as far as the eye can see.
Delay is Gregor Samsa From Kafka’s “Metamorphosis.”
“Gregor Samsa awakes one morning in his family’s apartment to find himself inexplicably transformed overnight into a gigantic insect.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis
Step on this roach NOW!!!!!!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:19 ambonat Says:
How come Progressive Republican can’t be a snot nose moderate Republican?
A so called moderate Republican is nothing but a Liberal hiding in a group of Conservatives.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:28 amIs there any chance we can SELL Texas to Mexico? We may even get good money for the whole damn thing and be rid of Perry, Bush and the whole Texas oil crowd all together.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:54 amOh, how I wish Molly Ivins was still with us. I’d LOVE to hear her take on this.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:14 amLooks like Rick with a ‘P’ will be very lonely in the future in his little seceded fiefdom:
Texas Senate defies Perry, votes to take stimulus money for jobless fund
AUSTIN – In a sharp rebuff of Gov. Rick Perry, the Senate on Thursday tentatively voted to accept $555 million in unemployment aid from the federal economic stimulus plan.
Senators voted 22-9 in favor of a bill by Sen. Kevin Eltife, R-Tyler, that would authorize state officials to receive the stimulus money to shore up Texas’ trust fund for unemployed workers.
LINK
Your racist party is over, back to reality stupid fcuking regressive.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:20 amRealitybouncedcheck
YOU are nothing but a punk with a big mouth and no brain
April 17th, 2009 at 9:19 amIs this Rick Perry related to Bob Perry, who financed the Swift Boaters?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:19 amSecession; because it worked so well the first time.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:35 amCouldn’t they have done this before Bush ran for president?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:22 amEither this guy is serious…
Which is truly scary and unhinged.
Or he’s inciting rebellion to gain popularity…
Which is truly unforgiveable.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:24 amI’m a Texan. I really wish ya’ll wouldn’t make snarky comments about Texas, assuming all of us are like dipshit Tom Delay, and our idiot governor.
You are stereo typing, which is what us progressives are not supposed to be. I love my state and I love my country and assuming we are all gun toting inbred idiots is extremely insulting.
That being said Tom Delay should crawl under a rock and stay there and Rick Perry will not be elected again. He is going to have to run against Kay Bailey Hutchinson (gag) and Kinky Freidman is considering running as a Democrat. Go Kinky!
So please stop with the Texas bashing. We’re not all idiots, just like all people in Alaska are not all idiots. We just outnumbered.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:58 amWhat would Texas lose if they left the US?
1.Money for education(and they need all the help they can get here since the current system is failing) – for Americans only
2.Money for roads – for American hi-ways only
3.Money for social programs(welfare, social security, disablity) – for Americans only
4.Unemployment benefits – for unemployed Americans only
5.All social security paid into the system – for Americans only
6.Businesses would be considered foreign and not receive same benefits as American companies base in America.
7.No federal assistant for ANYTHING – only for Americans
8.No FEMA or other disaster assistance, would have to get help from UN and other international sources since they are no long part of the United States.
Delay has no brain so he does not count and Perry needs to really think before he opens his mouth again. It might sound like a plan but the repercussions would be over the top.
Having lived there for 4 years, I can say with all honest that there is NO way they could support themselves, their commerce is substandard as it is.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:36 amAS there building a fence on the mexico border turn it and build it around texas at the same time, just think you half to get a passport to go to texas.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:37 amLast time I looked termit delay didn’t even live in Texas after they threw him out for dirty politics, so what is with this “we” business.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:44 amTo No 155 – Living here for 30 years I have to beg to differ with you…we are one of the few states that do not need Stimulus money.
Our state now has a surplus after bush depleted us while as pretend Governor.
We have jobs galore, with tons of out of state licensed cars coming in.
Houston is well known for excellent medical capabilities. We have many excellent Universities.
And San Antonio has top of line rehab facilities for wounded Vets, built by public donations.
Do I approve of the redneck racists conservatives that are running our state, Hell NO ! But, times will change as they die off. Seems like alot of tea bag parties were held all over this nation.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:53 amWhy would we want a person disgraced by their lack of ethics to be our interpreter of the law ?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:54 amThree months out of power and these whiners are now wanting to break up the United States Of America. The anti-American Taliban
April 17th, 2009 at 11:58 amis alive and well in our country!
It is quite obvious the majority of Hardball viewers are mindless pre-recorded Liberals.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pmYour may be right some part of the new Texas would want to join back up to the Union. They could not imagine no longer receiving all the “FREE” money for the Federal Government to pay for all the Government programs, by the way there isn’t any such thing as free money. As for the rest of the new states they would have no problem paying for necessary programs, there would be a lot of people moving to this new, Free Country and there would be an exodus of people that can, but choose not to work leaving as fast as their Government paid for transportation, could find a way to pass yet a new TAX, right after spending the even more Free money on setting up yet another program. I am quite sure you will all welcome them with open arms. Good luck supporting them.
Remember that old conservative (right-wing nutjob) screed:
April 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pm“America, Love it or Leave it!”
I can see it all now – duh furrer (Texas cons can’t spell ‘der fuhrer’) Rick Perry could invite Sean Hannity to be his propaganda minister, Rush Limbaugh could give his Texas dittoheads brown shirts and AK-47’s, and Tome Delay could run Perry’s air force (and give himself a nice pretty uniform).
Texas wants to secede? Anyone who agrees with these idiots deserves what they get.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pmWhy isn’t Delay in Jail where he belongs?
April 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pmTermite delay had to leave to avoid prosecution and isn’t he now residing in North Carolina or Georgia ? Why some of these losers are even asked to comment is beyond me.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pmRealityCheck Says:
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bonat Says:
How come Progressive Republican can’t be a snot nose moderate Republican?
A so called moderate Republican is nothing but a Liberal hiding in a group of Conservatives.
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Kinda hard to hide in such a small crowd, isn’t it?
Heh.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:41 pmI’m ditching all my US flags in favor of Texas flags. Rick Perry deserves the 1st Texas Presidency for his suggestion. We should put guards at the borders with granola-sniffing dogs and kick the lefties out though. You know how it is with strays; they get one meal at your house and you can never get rid of them.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:35 pmMarcyJ Says:
So please stop with the Texas bashing. We’re not all idiots, just like all people in Alaska are not all idiots. We just outnumbered.
Don’t worry, as soon as they make secession official, we’ll send reinforcements to liberate you from your captors.
Speaking of which…
TexasTim Says:
I’m ditching all my US flags in favor of Texas flags. Rick Perry deserves the 1st Texas Presidency for his suggestion.
I’ll see you on the battlefield, traitor.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pmJob grown in Texas between 2007-2008 was 60% of the entire nation. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2008/07/29/even-the-job-growth-is-big-in-texas.aspx
Texas has very good infrastructure. The power generation grid is superior to most other states. http://www.slate.com/id/2087133/ Texas produces more power than it uses and sells the remaining to other states. The Oil and Gas infrastructure links natural gas (LNG) supplies and oil from the gulf to neighboring states. http://www.txoga.org/ Oh, and the Freeways are also excellent.
Texas produces some of the best health care professionals in the world at University of Texas and Baylor and they would be happy to be spared from working in obama’s low pay controlled universal health care system. They also are home to a very stout high tech industry. And let us not forget about NASA’s Johnson Space Center headquartered in
Texas is also home to more corporate head quarters than all other states. Because of this, Texas would assume all corporate taxes now being taken by the federal government. Corporations and working Americans have been fleeing the high tax liberal blue states like California and New York to Texas for years and the exodus continues today.
Anyone who says that Texas could not make it if they seceded is ignorant of the facts. Texas would do just fine if they seceded. The US would take a major hit and obama would be forced to scale way back on his socialist state plans.
Moreover, Texas democrats are far different than the left wing liberal brand of democrat that you see in san fransisco, vermont or massachusets. As the radical-left-wing of the democrat party continues to push through the socialist agenda you will see Texas blue-dog democrats distance themselves in droves.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:36 pmDon’t mess with Texass!
April 18th, 2009 at 1:41 amTim43:
“Texas has very good infrastructure…the Oil and Gas infrastructure links natural gas (LNG) supplies and oil from the gulf to neighboring states. Oh, and the Freeways are also excellent.”
The rights to the oil and gas have been sold to the international oil conglomerates. As for the pipelines themselves: any attempt to take control of those pipelines would be considered an act of war. BTW, that infrastructure you mentioned was paid for by the other 49 states. (Did you know that most of Houston’s office space was built with S&L money. Remember that banking scandal? The one with the other moron, Neil Bush? We’re still paying that off.)
You continue, “They also are home to a very stout high tech industry…And let us not forget about NASA’s Johnson Space Center headquartered in”
Yes, the high tech industry that is part of the military industrial complex of the United States of America. All those companies and all of those employees would be forced to leave Texas. No more Bell Helicopter or any U.S. military bases. Of course, NASA would be gone, as would the US Mint. How would you print your own money, and what would you back up the currency with?
“Texas is also home to more corporate head quarters than all other states.”
Yes, and I think they would have to relocate back to the United States.
“Corporations and working Americans have been fleeing the high tax liberal blue states like California and New York to Texas for years and the exodus continues today.”
So what you’re saying is that all the people fleeing California and New York don’t actually want to live in Texas? It’s just that but they can’t afford to live in California or New York? I agree with you there 100%.
Texas would not make it on its own and it is foolish to suggest otherwise.
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April 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pmTo all you ComSympRadLibParlorPinkos~
The 1st thing that The Republic of Tejas should do is to cut off all oil, natural gas to the Un-United Socialist States of Amerika.
Best to happen in the dead of Winter when all you Socialist Greenies would freeze your keasters off when you get 36″ of that white powdery global warming in January/February.
Ask Comrade Obama & pseudo Marine Murtha for some coal out of Pensylvannia………. Oh, I forgot, they’re going to destroy the coal industry too.
Isn’t it strange that TX has no income tax but is running a budget surplus.
Goodnight Chet,
KSMF
April 28th, 2009 at 1:27 amThis is likely too late to be noticed, but I have to speak as a proud liberal from Texas …
Most of the comments here are well intended but silly. Texas won’t secede, obviously. No Constitutional right exists, either by treaty or other arrangement. The abject hate for this state is pretty embarrassing, though. For those of you who rejoice that liberals might leave the state to embrace a community sympathetic to their political opinions, please grow a spine. Some people prefer to try to change the political climate where they live, even if it is challenging. Tom DeLay was not from my district, but I would no more vote for him than I would for Robert Byrd. Please don’t conform to monolithic ideas about political parties or states.
Texas is still the state of Willie Nelson, Kinky Friedman, and Ann Richards. Wouldn’t any of you enjoy claiming them as political brethren? And that’s not even denting the cultural legacy …
Grow up and stop regurgitating hackneyed ideas about Mexico reclaiming our state. We fought a revolution to claim independence. Respect that struggle, and don’t forget the result.
April 28th, 2009 at 3:34 am