Robertson: DHS Official Behind Extremism Report Must Be Someone Whose ‘Sexual Orientation…Is In Question’
Robertson: DHS Official Behind Extremism Report Must Be Someone Whose ‘Sexual Orientation…Is In Question’
For the past few days, the right wing has been going after a new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report warning that “rightwing extremists…may be gaining new recruits” because of Barack Obama’s election and the “economic downtown.” Many conservatives have been claiming that it’s an attack on veterans, while others have declared that it was a politically motivated attempt to “smear” conservatives and their tea parties.
Televangelist Pat Robertson went even further on the 700 Club yesterday. Not only did he echo the belief that the report was produced by liberal DHS officials, but he claimed that their “sexual orientation is somewhat in question.” He offered no proof for his remark:
ROBERTSON: It shows somebody down in the bowels of that organization is either a convinced left winger or somebody whose sexual orientation is somewhat in question. But it’s that kind of thing, somebody who doesn’t think that we should have abortion on demand, is labeled a terrorist! It’s outrageous!
Crooks and Liars also points out that Robertson urged his viewers to “jam up” the homeland security phone lines by calling in to complain. Watch it:
Note that Robertson, the man who is criticizing the notion that there are right-wing extremists, once called for the assassination of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez.
Transcript:
ROBERT: And Janet Napolitano has got a lot of explaining to do. And that lame excuse she was giving — “Oh, I’m sorry they characterized all veterans that way” — I mean, come off it!
MEEUWSEN: The report was the report. I mean, it is astonishing that it was allowed to leave under that –
ROBERTSON: It shows somebody down in the bowels of that organization is either a convinced left winger or somebody whose sexual orientation is somewhat in question. But it’s that kind of thing, somebody who doesn’t think that we should have abortion on demand, is labeled a terrorist! It’s outrageous! [...]
(202) 282-8000 — And if you jam up their lines, good for you!
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Robertson say something nutty on his show? Such a surprise. I want to know if got back into the Galilee Christian development after kow towing to Ariel Sharon’s relations and Bibi Netanyahu.
Follow the money folks. That’s why the big dogs manipulate the masses.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:08 pmWhaa?!?!? Abortion is a big issue with gays?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:10 pm[...]Robertson urged his viewers to “jam up” the homeland security phone lines by calling in to complain
…and his viewers called, proving Homeland Security’s point that rightwing extremists are gaining new recruits.
What can I say? Such a stunning lack of self-awareness has got to be be genetic.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:11 pmYes, some bi-curious mail clerk was responsible for this!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOh.
My.
God.
I guess they figure they can’t get any further out of power, so they might as well just let their homophobia run free.
But that’s just a fu(kin’ weird thing to say.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:12 pmI thought that old goat was long gone. Like Limbaugh, he can REALLY show the GOP fringe elements how to behave.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:13 pmAnd what does the sexual orientation of the report’s author have to do with the contents of said report?
Methinks gay sex comes to Robertson’s tiny mind a little too easily.
Sheesh…
April 17th, 2009 at 8:13 pmI know I’m not the first to mention this, but what is so incredibly revealing is how closely all of the wingnut punditocracy identifies with “right-wing extremists” that the DHS warns us of.
Says quite a lot.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm“Such an awful weather. I hate it when it rains like this. Must be them there gay folk again.”
April 17th, 2009 at 8:17 pm~Pat Robertson
And yet another fringe Reichwhiner opts for outright extremism.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:18 pmI thought Pat Robertson was dead. Must have confused him with Jerry Falwell. But, two comments:
April 17th, 2009 at 8:19 pm1) the fact that he used the term “sexual orientation” instead of “sexual preference” shows we’re winning; when you control the terminology, you control the argument. And
2) he should know.
Pat calling someone gay? He probably did it with a smile on his face too. It’s still wrong.
If all Pat had for followers were right wing extremists then i could understand why he would defend them. there must be a few decent people in Pat’s following. No?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:22 pmOK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in. Time to see the nice young men that will need to take care of you soon.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:22 pm…Oh i get, Pat is a right wing extremists. Silly me. He soesn’t own a gun though does he?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:23 pmWasn’t it Homeland Security under George Bush that issued a report against liberals by listing out places such as ‘flea markets’ and ‘petting zoos’ as a place where we ‘enemies of the state’ hang out and Americans should be vigilant in locating us?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pmLUDICROUS! My first thought was – what has someone’s sexal orientation have to do with the DHS report? Robertson is NUTZ!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIt’s time for Robertson to retire too. I’m really happy about the DHS report – all of this noise from rightwingnuts exposes them for the extremists they really are.
Jump’en bobcats, how far will Robertson go to troll for a date?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pmWith that nice kind smile of his, Pat could call for assasinations and get away with it, i bet…
Oh, wait a minute!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:40 pmAsk him if he actually did read the report. Bonus points for you if you cite it and summarize it for him.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:45 pmPrayer Juice = Fraud
teddybear = one of your own, like you! Who loved men and meth.
regency hotel er…university = packed with willful frauds like you. Rev Wright doesn’t come close to your preachin.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:48 pmIf he did that on the air he’s in trouble.
Inciting the population to launch what in Cybersecurity terms equates to a “denial of service attack” to a National Defense Agency is a crime. No two ways about it.
Suppose that urgent “Jack Bauer” scenario they’re always using to excuse their right to torture occurred while Robertson’s people were “jamming up” DHS phone lines, stopping the one person who sees the act about to take place, or has a tip to report that would have led to the aversion of a terrorist attack on US soil?
If he actually incited his people to take down the phone lines at DHS, and these lines are the lines the general population would use to report suspicious activities, then he committed a serious crime and put every American in the country in danger.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:50 pmThey are forgetting that George W. Bush created the DHS and asked for this report.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:50 pmWouldn’t exhorting people to jam up the DHS phone lines count as “giving aid and comfort” to terrorists?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:50 pmBit I agree, lets do away with the DHS, its just more big goobermint at a cost of 55 billion+ a year
April 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pmPresident Obama was elected by Independents, Reagan Democrats, Blue Dog Democrats, Republican in Name Only, Libertarians, etc. From my “Independent” perspective… the GOP stands for 1) De-Regulation of Business and 2) Regulation of Morality. The De-Regulation of Business removed consumer protections, rewarded job outsourcing and caused the economic collapse. Allowing Evangelical Christians to set the social agenda caused the “Separation of Church and State” divide over: school prayer, sex education, AIDS prevention, abortion rights, gay marriage, etc. Today the DEMS stand for working class jobs and common sense. Who knows, next election may be the opposite!
April 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pmHELLO, people. We’re talking about a religious leader. Every opinion he has stated has been faith-based, i.e., he has never given a rat’s ass about FACTS. Why would anyone expect that he would start now?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pmSubjective truth eh Pat?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:54 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
OK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in.
I must quibble. Ol’ Marion (Pat’s Christian name which he abandoned because it’s too effeminate) has ALWAYS been bat scat crazy and just plain mean.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:54 pmPat you don’t own all the nasties in the world. Stop your wishful dreaming and see people with their clothes on. you old insane goat.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:55 pmYep. Cuz you all know, how teh gays are. They’re all about looking for someone to go after in order to excuse their own “deviant behavior”. Never mind that they have to fight like hell to have their own human rights recognized. Geez.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pm…
i wish reality check, the troll
were here. then he could remind
us how great reverend pat’s ratings
are. that would be cool.
:)
April 17th, 2009 at 9:03 pmHow do you determine whether someone’s sexual orientation is “in question” or not? I’m starting to wonder about Robertson himself. Does that mean he could have authored the DHS report?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:03 pmpete Says:
Ok pete I gotta give you that one. No way I can argue the point.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:04 pmDoes Pat, a self proclaimed right wing extremist sympathiser, who has called out publicly for assasinations, own guns? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I’m just curious.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:05 pmWait a minute? Is this the fruitcake who is resonsible for Regent Law School that Monica Goodling got her lawyering degree from??
April 17th, 2009 at 9:09 pmMaybe Prod could fill in. He was pulling that trump card earlier today on a Faux News thread.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:10 pmlabman57 says
HELLO, people. We’re talking about a religious leader.
Ironic, eh?
Shorter Robertson: “It must have been some liberal or queer. Same difference.”
Ghandi: “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.”
April 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pmJesus H. Christ.
Does he really *believe* that crazy sheeyit??
April 17th, 2009 at 9:15 pmThey’re obviously talking only about Janet Napolitano’s sexual orientation. I helped vote her in office in 2002 and I am gay.
I also think that she’s gay and in the closet.
What that has to do with ANYTHING pertaining to her job description, however, is beyond me. And I have no idea why Pat Robertson can’t get over other people’s sexual orientations and move on with his damned life already.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:15 pmNapolitano didnt write the report…
April 17th, 2009 at 9:17 pmEven if Napolitano didn’t write the report… that’s who Robertson was referring to with his sexual orientation comment.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:21 pmyes because we all know how many of 43’s agencies were riddled with homosexuals from regent university
April 17th, 2009 at 9:22 pmBecause he lives in a CLOSET…in denial…
April 17th, 2009 at 9:22 pmJust what would a persons sexual orientation have to do with anything?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:23 pmpersonally, i think pat robertson has fanatsies of being sodomized, issues which he needs to discuss with his therapist
April 17th, 2009 at 9:26 pmi wonder how high up robertson is on the list of “right wing extremists” in the report. my money’s on him being in the top five
April 17th, 2009 at 9:30 pmTelevangelist Pat Robertson is a Religious Wingnut Extremist.
God, “Robertson Must Be Someone Whose ‘Spiritual Orientation…Is In Question. He does not worship the God of Universal Love, instead he worships the carnal god of Power and Greed.”
April 17th, 2009 at 9:30 pmSad, demented, irrelevant little man.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:31 pmRobertson considers homosexuality, or even the contemplation of, to be more insideous than neo-nazi activity.
What say you, Jesus?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:35 pmThe Republicans are the party of wish fulfillment.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:38 pmI’m surprised Smitin’ Pat didn’t just call down God’s wrath on the libruls at DHS and have a tornado blow the place off the map…oh oops, tornadoes heading toward the Bible Belt…why does Pat hate Oklahoma?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:40 pmRepublitards.
Mike71654 Says:
Just what would a persons sexual orientation have to do with anything?
Apparently, appropriate concern about terrorism is part of the homosexual agenda?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:41 pmNo wonder Americans are starting to question the right wingnuts.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pmIts demonization…its what holds them together
April 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pmRobertson urged his viewers to “jam up” the homeland security phone lines by calling in to complain.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pmSure, you idiot, that will make us safer, with your goons “jamming up” the security phone lines. What an incompetent, ludicrous jerk.
OK i get it. Pat identifies with right wing extremists and the person he thinks is responsible for bringing that fact to his attention must be ridiculed. It’s so easy when you get the hang if it!
April 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pmHope Says:
No wonder Americans are starting to question the right wingnuts.
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Huh?? STARTING to?
Been out of the country the last eight years?
In a coma?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Maybe Prod could fill in. He was pulling that trump card earlier today on a Faux News thread.
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That trump card?
His arse in the hole?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pmOH-NOES teh gays are running the government.
This from the oracle who blamed Katrina on that evil jazz.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:59 pmMathazar Says:
This from the oracle who blamed Katrina on that evil jazz.
He also blamed 9-11 on gay pride parades.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:02 pmWhat say you about this, Pat?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pmPat Robertson deserves his own special place in the decommissioned Gitmo. Why not use it to safely house deranged right wingers who pose a threat to the common folk?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
April 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pmPat isn’t nuts he a creep. Pat didn’t analyse the report and then conclude a connection to gayness at all. He found out someone he thinks might be responsible for the report might be gay, then he made the connection in his mind as an obvious reason to discount the report as flawed. That’s even more sinister.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:07 pmHa ha ha … the same Pat Robertson who with Jerry Falwell said God allowed the USA to be attacked by the 9/11 terrorists, blaming it on the ACLU, abortionists, feminists, gays, and the People For the American Way. (http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2001/09/You-Helped-This-Happen.aspx)
The same Pat Robertson who suggested the State Department should be nuked (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/robertson.state/)
Really with domestic idiots like these who needs foreign terrorists?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pmSeriously, folks, how does an adult come to the conclusion that questioning someone’s sexuality is the way to express disagreement with them?
I mean, didn’t most of us grow out of that around eighth grade?
Really, Pat is just demonstrating a more loquacious way of saying, “oh yeah? well you’re a queer”.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:10 pmYes, Chertoff [Former DHS head] said this because he was gay.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pmAnother right-wing icon originally christened Marion who changed his name to something more “butch”: John Wayne, born Marion Morrison.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:14 pmAre these people seriously trying to defend what McVeigh, a right wing extremist did, and that the DHS should ignore right wing threats?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:15 pmXisithrus Says:
DHS Head Napolitano Orders Mexico Border Crackdown
Interesting how all of Obama’s appointees are rolling up their sleeves and tackling real problems that need actual work to accomplish, even if it isn’t something that fits the “party line.” If Napolitano were a political hack, border security would be waaaay down on her “to-do” list.
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Ape-Man Says:
Pat isn’t nuts he a creep. Pat didn’t analyse the report and then conclude a connection to gayness at all. He found out someone he thinks might be responsible for the report might be gay, then he made the connection in his mind as an obvious reason to discount the report as flawed.
Worse than that. He first concluded there’s something wrong with the report, then knee-jerk reasoned that that meant it must have been produced by a homosexual.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Seriously, folks, how does an adult come to the conclusion that questioning someone’s sexuality is the way to express disagreement with them?
That’s just the sort of thing a rainbow-waving prancing faggot would say!
/wingnut.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Another right-wing icon originally christened Marion who changed his name to something more “butch”: John Wayne, born Marion Morrison.
True. However, I don’t remember the Duke telling people that the wrath of God would fall on them for breaking Commandments like “honor thy Father and Mother”.
I can’t think of many things that “dishonors” a parent more than rejecting the name they gave you.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:22 pmIndeed. This drug war had been festering for some time with little action by the previous admin
April 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pmThe Feign! The Feign! Look Boss The Feigned Outrage!!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pmFirst they want them out of the military and now gays aren’t allowed to write reports. What next?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Really, Pat is just demonstrating a more loquacious way of saying, “oh yeah? well you’re a queer”.
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I would also take this as a tacit admission on Pat’s part that’s he’s just plumb outta gas here… if this is all he can muster up… he’s got NUTTIN’…
April 17th, 2009 at 10:39 pmThey’re blending this into Clinton/Reno smears.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:40 pmIt’s more than being a jerk or being incompetent, although those are accurate descriptors. Its about a criminal act.
If the lines they were calling were lines used by the general population to report suspicious activities and threats, then what he did was place the entire homeland in jeopardy for the duration of their call jamming campaign.
Think about it.
If you call 911, to say…gee, I don’t know…say to complain about traffic on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. It’s a crime, right? (unless your brothers running for President). Seriously though, if you or I call 911 to chat about the weather, what’s going to happen?
That’s right. A nice policeman’s going to show up at your door and arrest you.
Now, knowing that, what do you think they’d do if you not only called up, but organized your friends to call up effectively jamming all inbound communications to 911?
Think they’d be a bit peeved?
Think you’d perhaps need to have a sit down with the judge?
What Pat Robertson did here, IF those lines were lines used by the general public to report suspicious activities, was a crime. And I’d think a fairly serious one.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:41 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
First they want them out of the military and now gays aren’t allowed to write reports. What next?
Homosexual baristas are putting pro-gay drugs in your morning lattes. Tonight at 11, on FOX!
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WAYNEBRO Says:
If the lines they were calling were lines used by the general population to report suspicious activities and threats, then what he did was place the entire homeland in jeopardy for the duration of their call jamming campaign.
I’m sure the DHS phone line is different from the 911 system. But to the degree that the DHS is useful, yes. If religious wingnuts jamming up their phone lines doesn’t affect the likelihood of any terrorist-caused disasters, that kind of demonstrates that the DHS is a worthless overlay on the executive branch. On the other hand if a major terrorist-caused disaster does occur because Pat Robertson’s fans were tying up the lines then… he’ll deny any culpability and soldier on, as normal.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:53 pmWhat’s really scary is that there are people out there that buy into this lunacy – the 23%’ers – and some of them truly are capable and willing to commit extreme acts of violence. And these so-called “xtians” are urging them on.
Gosh, times have changed.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:02 pmThe problem, WAYNEBRO, is that Patsy belongs to the “too Holy to touch” club. It doesn’t matter if he breaks the law, unless he gets caught in a tax scam like Kent Hovind.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:11 pmOther than being one is for reporting emergencies and one is for reporting threats and suspicious activity, not really.
They’re both official lines used by law enforcement and emergency services. IF these were the lines used to report terrorist threats and tips. And it’s not fair to say that DHS is worthless if a “Jack Bauer scenario” tip is not called in because the lines were down.
Suppose someone has a piece of information that wouldn’t mean anything to local police, and it involved something that would take place within hours, but could be stopped if the right authorities got ahold of that information?
Suppose that person tries to call it in to DHS, the only ones who’d know what the information meant. Perhaps this person himself doesn’t even realize how significant this piece of information is. He calls, can’t get through and gives up and the terrorist act occurs?
This isn’t a game and encouraging people to clog up phone lines at a federal law enforcement agency is not only stupid, it’s criminal.
Or did you think you could get your friends to all call and jam up the phone lines at the local police station, even their non emergency numbers, and not find yourself in trouble?
This was stupid of Robertson on every level and you don’t play games with federal law enforcement agency communications just because you don’t like the way the wrote a report.
It was ex soldiers that shot two US presidents. It was an ex soldier that blew up the Oklahoma City Federal bldg, killing hundreds of Americans in the worst act of Terrorism on US soil save 911.
So the report made perfect sense in the respect of simply “acknowledging” that possibility. That’s what we pay them to do. To address and explore threats and if Robertson doesn’t like it tell him to write his congressmen, or call his congressmen. That’s what congressmen are there for, to hear our complaints. Federal law enforcement agencies tasked with securing the country from terrorist attacks have more important things to do.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:12 pmAnd you’re right. He’ll shout his innocence from the mountaintop.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:15 pmAnd Waynebro – we the people once lived under an administration (dictatorship) where our supposed president could name anyone he saw fit as an “enemy combatant.” Sheeeeeesh……….Where was the fat pat guy then?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:21 pmJust in – David Gurgen buckles on CIA torture. He says torture is useful and the CIA torturings are somehow different than regular torure. That is all…
April 17th, 2009 at 11:31 pmIf we say yes will you shut your yap?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:32 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
And you’re right. He’ll shout his innocence from the mountaintop.
He won’t have to. A lifetime of insane prattle about Jebus has provided him with Teflon armor. In a world where, self-professed, “Holy Men” can rape children with impunity? Tying up a phone line won’t even register.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:33 pmPat Robertson has nothing to do with Jesus.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:39 pmXisithrus Says:
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Chertoff publicly stated that the right wing element could be the source of a “lone wolf” attack and was more dangerous than foreign attacks.
Yes, Chertoff [Former DHS head] said this because he was gay
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I dunno, could be. He’s thin and very neat, ya know.
Heh.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:39 pmpete Says:
The problem, WAYNEBRO, is that Patsy belongs to the “too Holy to touch” club. It doesn’t matter if he breaks the law, unless…
Unless it’s one of them Southern anti-sodomy laws.
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hp Says:
Is chavez hush hush around here?
In this thread? I’d say so, unless he’s currently putting persecution of homosexuals above Venezualan security.
It’s called “relevance.” Look it up.
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WAYNEBRO Says:
They’re both official lines used by law enforcement and emergency services.
I’m not disagreeing. As it stands, the DHS phone lines are for incredibly important business. I’m just pointing out that the utility of the DHS may be somewhat questionable. Wingnuts lose this argument either way.
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WAYNEBRO Says:
It was ex soldiers that shot two US presidents. It was an ex soldier that blew up the Oklahoma City Federal bldg, killing hundreds of Americans in the worst act of Terrorism on US soil save 911.
So the report made perfect sense in the respect of simply “acknowledging” that possibility. That’s what we pay them to do.
Absolutely. If the DHS didn’t take into consideration the effects of having a massive wave of new PTSD sufferers re-entering a society inundated with talk of “revolution” from teabaggers, as well as elected officials like Michele Bachmann saying that citizens should become “armed and dangerous,” then the DHS wouldn’t be doing their jobs. Simply based on statistics alone, that’s just about guaranteed to cause at least a few fatalities.
Frankly, I don’t know what the statutory consequences are for tying up DHS lines, but I hope there would be some. Not because I hate Buchanan fans, but simply because it would make sense.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:43 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Pat Robertson has nothing to do with Jesus.
Agreed. Too bad that no one has ever bothered to say that to Patsy’s face. Maybe then he would STFU.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:45 pm“I dunno, could be. [Chertoff]’s thin and very neat, ya know.”
April 17th, 2009 at 11:50 pmNow that you mention it, he looks kinda like a Beltway John Waters.
hp Says:
Is chavez hush hush around here?
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not if you’re gay.
:)
April 17th, 2009 at 11:52 pmSo hp about your expertise in all things torture? You seem not to have the chance to get back to me on that. Is now a better time for you?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:58 pmAccording to all sources, it’s RAINING FAGGOTS!
Libs, the STORM is APPROACHING.
I, too, am a California doctor forced to choose between my faith and, uh, well I didn’t do so well in medical school. Does party hardy count?
April 18th, 2009 at 12:01 amOT:
Good evening, dbadass. First day for shorts Today! Trout season opens tomorrow but, my favorite streams are low and gin-clear. Between that and the inevitable crowds, I’ll wait till mid-week and go hit my favorite, deep, hole.
I also saw a small flock of warblers though they were too distant for a positive ID. The geese have stopped courting on my roof so, I assume, they must be nesting. Plus, though I haven’t checked them out, I saw a blurb in the local paper that six pairs of trumpeter swans have returned to the local backwaters.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:09 amSo many of us try so hard to understand the point of view of those who are different from us, and then we encounter someone like PR. I get you’re right wing, I get you’re anti-gay. I don’t espouse those points of view, but I can comprehend them. And then you let fly with something that is such total BS that I cannot believe that anyone who has evolved beyond the protoplasm stage could possibly utter such insane nonsense. Gracious, excuse me, I must spit.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:12 amThat’s you rightwing nutjobs pissing all over yourselves not ta storm, idiot.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:13 amBookiewookiestookiematookie Says:
According to all sources, it’s RAINING FAGGOTS!
The funny thing about gays is that they are all born by heterosexual means test tube or artificial insemantion or just sex.
To defeat the gay we must exterminate humanity!!
ARMAGEDDON!!! Lets destroy ourselves to save humanity!!!!
Wait…is that possible?
Im not gay but this gay thing is just….blame the heteros!!!
Pat Robertson, by being straight gives rise to gays!!!
Oh Noes, teh horror, teh horror!!!
April 18th, 2009 at 12:17 amBookiewookiestookiematookie Says:
According to all sources, it’s RAINING FAGGOTS!
Libs, the STORM is APPROACHING.
I, too, am a California doctor forced to choose between my faith and, uh, well I didn’t do so well in medical school. Does party hardy count?
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hp,
you are not alone.
:)
:)
April 18th, 2009 at 12:17 amHi pete:
April 18th, 2009 at 12:18 amWarblers are still light but phoebes abound and I did have some snipe in a corn field the other day. It has been dry so my herping has slowed down.
Mike71654 Says:
Just what would a persons sexual orientation have to do with anything?
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Look what it did for Mark Foley?
I suppose Pat Robertson along with Sanford and Perry are fuming that there “Faith-Based Initiative” funding has been drastically diminished. You all remember this tax- payer funded bull-crapola.
Bush’s Faith-Based Initiatives: I have not seen the data on this, but a friend who filed an FOI request years ago and has been dogged about getting the information relates that virtually 100% of the money has gone to evangelical Protestant groups—none to mainline Protestant, Catholics, Jews, or, gasp, Muslims. Very scary if true. More important, what business did the Bush Administration have even supporting these kinds of activities?
You see who got this money.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:19 amHi Bookiewookiestookiematookie
April 18th, 2009 at 12:21 amWhat faith would that be?
OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
So many of us try so hard to understand the point of view of those who are different from us, and then we encounter someone like PR. I get you’re right wing, I get you’re anti-gay. I don’t espouse those points of view, but I can comprehend them. And then you let fly with something that is such total BS…
Well, the whole 700 Club schtick has always been tying everything together. 1) What do you hate? 2) What’s in the news? 1 caused 2. Wash, rinse, repeat.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:26 amIt’s been super-dry here too, dbadass. I’ve been tempted to sand some drywall to replace the dirt and soot in my lungs!
April 18th, 2009 at 12:28 amThe rightwing nuts continue to demonstrate their brilliance? They have superior reasoning abilities, there ability to present an argument is impeccable, their motivations are pure and they have direct channels to God almighty. I just don’t understand how they lost an election with all these things going for them?
Oh yea, they have a pretty big bankroll to.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:31 am#
ElBruce Says:
Well, the whole 700 Club schtick has always been tying everything together. 1) What do you hate? 2) What’s in the news? 1 caused 2. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I know, I just can’t help but be stunned,not by the ignorance, but by the willingness to own the ignorance.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:39 amIgnorance is strength
April 18th, 2009 at 12:41 amWhat can you expect, flight. The poor fools see a DHS report about “far-right extremists” and claim that they are the targets. It’s like when I write “stupid troll” and a half-dozen freaks show up to claim that title.
If the remaining GOoPers were not so effing stupid? I’d be really concerned.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:42 amSay the most inane thing and the inanity will rise to refute its existence
April 18th, 2009 at 12:44 ampete Says:
What can you expect, flight. The poor fools see a DHS report about “far-right extremists” and claim that they are the targets. It’s like when I write “stupid troll” and a half-dozen freaks show up to claim that title.
This reminds me of the aftermath of 9/11, when every hick town was certain their reservoir was on the terrorist hit list.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:50 amOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
Tell me about it. I lived a few miles from a nuclear power plant at the time. Every drunk with a .22 rifle was ready to go and patrol the perimeter.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:59 ampete,
April 18th, 2009 at 12:59 amThe concept of fascism is becoming very clear.
flight,
I’m not trying to argue but, I wouldn’t call what has occurred in our country “fascism”. There are elements of nationalism and corporatism but, there’s more to it.
Mostly, it’s just an argument based on semantics. Personally, I like the term “right-wing authoritarianism”. If you haven’t read The Authoritarians I really recommend it. Here’s a link:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
April 18th, 2009 at 1:22 amOT, but have you seen that Texas is up for sale on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170322454911&fromMakeTrack=true
Might not be a bad way to get rid of AIG while we’re at it.
PEACE
April 18th, 2009 at 1:25 amspencers butterfly mom Says:
OT, but have you seen that Texas is up for sale on ebay?
Ha haaa:
April 18th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Texas can only be sold by its rightful owners. I think that would be OPEC.
April 18th, 2009 at 1:43 amhp Says:
Is chavez hush hush around here?
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I would ask if you were a moron but it is OBVIOUS that you ARE a moron. The real question is do you EVER contribute or is this inane ignorant trolling the only thing you are capable of?
April 18th, 2009 at 4:07 ampete Says:
I’ll argue that! Looking at The 14 Points of Fascism I’d say under Bush we scored about 11.5 of the 14. That’s way too high for me.
And I heartily agree with reading The Authoritarians — it’s always been my username link.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:11 amMoney grubbing, right wing, thieving, lying, hateful, hypocritical, religious extremists, like Pat Roberston, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, Jim and Tammy Baker, and Jimmy Swaggert are the reasons why I no longer believe in organized religion.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:49 amOK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in. Time to see the nice young men that will need to take care of you soon.burun estetigi rent a car arac kiralama
April 18th, 2009 at 4:59 amsac ekimi<
It would be so much simpler if wingers would just admit they’re gay.
Right Will Eat Itself
April 18th, 2009 at 5:26 amLittle tin gods….
April 18th, 2009 at 5:41 amThis is great! One of the top reasons the GOP is where it is today is out there helping everyone see why the republican party is intolerant and out of step with the rest of the nation. They are guided by intolerant whack jobs and think that is what the Unitied States is concerned about. This old bastard has done more harm to human beings than the law should allow and he is out there preaching non-sense with no facts while representing the GOP. Go figure it out, wingnuts.
April 18th, 2009 at 6:47 amThere isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t hope Pat Robertson gets hit by a car walking across the street.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:35 amRobertson is off his rocker – he hears from God and other strange voices in his head – his observation today is just as ridiculous.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:41 amWhat is it about all these conservatives — they try to create havoc in the government? He must believe his god is pleased.
When Robertson smiles and makes a comment about someone’s sexual orientation like he does here, what it means is he’s really pissed off at the writer’s of this report.
A pissed off Pat Robertson is cause for joy, and it means the report has truly done a good thing.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:42 amOT– Sorry I can’t resist — no TF today.
Sarah Palin admitted yesterday that she considered abortion in her early pregnancy with Trig.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:44 amThis is the woman who chose to continue the pregnancy – but she would deny a similar choice to someone else.
The doctor she would have consulted to have the procedure, is a doctor who performs abortions – one that she claims she would like to see arrested.
This woman and her followers apparently don’t see the contradiction.
Bookiewookiestookiematookie (wow, rhyming and everything!) farts:
Damn, you’re cute… met that sexy beast hp yet? You’ll know him, he’s the one chumming the waters around here.
Kiss kiss!
April 18th, 2009 at 8:43 amRobertson figured it out. It is the gay communist storm whose headquarters are at the DHS.
I anticipate a heterosexual round up any day now. The heterosexual detentions centers are nearly complete with a pastel paisley theme and the detainees will be subjected to non-stop music from Melissa Ethridge, Elton John and George Michaels, not to mention the comedy of Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O’Donnell.
They will be forced to denounce their current and all previous marriages. All of the guards will be gay and the detainees will be required to wear a pink jump suit if they are male, and a flannel pattern jump suit if they are female.
If they are Republican and a questionnaire, that includes 27 dimensions of compatibility, shows they are actually a closet gay, they will be immediately released once they publicly admit the result of their questionnaire, assuming they want to after they figure out which guard they are most compatible with. This will equate into more than half of the Republicans.
The clouds are gathering. Be very scared, or make up a bunch of ridiculousness and pretend it exists, to incite ignorant morons into violence.
April 18th, 2009 at 9:13 am“Bend over and FEEL the power of Jesus!!!”
He’s good for a reach-around too, a very giving fella…
April 18th, 2009 at 10:00 amYeah, right Patsy. How much was that leg lift again?
April 18th, 2009 at 10:24 amralph the wonder locust Says:
I know I’m not the first to mention this, but what is so incredibly revealing is how closely all of the wingnut punditocracy identifies with “right-wing extremists” that the DHS warns us of.
Says quite a lot.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
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Yeah, it mirrors how the lefty pundits identify with the “left-wing extremists.” It speaks volumes. ;)
April 18th, 2009 at 10:38 amYeah, it mirrors how the lefty pundits identify with the “left-wing extremists.” It speaks volumes. ;)
Oh, I’m sorry… I guess I missed it when the leading voices of the Left raised this kind of stick when the comparable report on Left-wing Extremism was released by DHS in January.
Perhaps you can cite similar reactions to that report, from the Left? I’d sure appreciate it.
April 18th, 2009 at 11:10 amI thought this man had died. Why is it with these right wing ministers and talkers, that everything eventually comes down to killing or sex?
This man is evidently sexually repressed himself. I cannot imagine how someones sexual orientation has to do with the kind of extremism being talked about. That seems to be a nonsensical and EXTREMIST VIEW.
This joke of a man, this vacuous, shallow excuse for a man of god should crawl back into his hole. He must surely be approaching senility. Although he was always off the wall and illogical. Age must be exacerbating his condition.
Like most televangelists he speaks and says nothing. He is a religious and a cosmic joke. And the fools that listen to him, and the fools that ask him to comment on anything, should get their heads examined. Men like him are the prime example of extremism. Just tell me what man of God would ask for the assassination of another human being? What man of god would lie about some of his background? And what man of god would spread such divisiveness in his path?
The religious hucksters that ply their trade with the fearful dumb public should at the very least, be made to prove by logic anything they say. Or be forced to wear a sign saying take with a grain of salt. When his much anticipated rapture comes, his god wouldn’t touch him with the ten foot pole.
April 18th, 2009 at 11:13 amSorry for the formatting confusion:
Oh, I’m sorry… I guess I missed it when the leading voices of the Left raised this kind of stick when the comparable report on Left-wing Extremism was released by DHS in January.
Perhaps you can cite similar reactions to that report, from the Left? I’d sure appreciate it.
Love the winky face emoticon, BTW. It’s like outting a pretty bow on a puddle of vomit. Really brightens up the room. ;)
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Oh, I’m sorry… I guess I missed it when the leading voices of the Left raised this kind of stick when the comparable report on Left-wing Extremism was released by DHS in January.
Perhaps you can cite similar reactions to that report, from the Left? I’d sure appreciate it.
I apologize, ralph. Your post didn’t mention righty pundit views on the extremists reports. You just mentioned how righty pundits identify with right wing extremists, so I pointed out that lefty pundits identify with left wing extremists. If what you meant to say is that lefty pundits didn’t speak out as much about the left wing extremist report, you are absolutely correct. Perhaps righty’s are more likely to take umbrage at being accused of association with un-American activities.
Love the winky face emoticon, BTW. It’s like outting a pretty bow on a puddle of vomit. Really brightens up the room. ;)
It appears to serve it’s purpose quite
April 18th, 2009 at 11:48 amwell. ;)
So, Pat, now that you are so close to “knock-knock-knockin’ on heavens door”, you must be worried that your sexual orientation will be questioned….
April 18th, 2009 at 11:50 amI thought you were a little brighter than that, Uptighty.
I figured that, since Pat Robertson is reported above to have said, “somebody who doesn’t think that we should have abortion on demand, is labeled a terrorist!” thus expanding the definition of “terrorist” to include himself, my point would be clear:
Right wing leading voices have almost universally declared that this report about the threat from right-wing extremism is about THEM. I don’t recall anyone from the left making a similar assumption a few months ago.
Had I realized that you needed this spelled out for you… I probably still wouldn’t have bothered, but at least I’d have anticipated the need.
Speaking of unclear comments, however, I’m not really sure what you mean by “I pointed out that lefty pundits identify with left wing extremists.” Do you have any examples of what you mean?
Perhaps? It should be noted that the “righty’s” (sic) are the ones who are associating themselves with un-American activities, by assuming the report is about THEM.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pmOh, and as for the winky face?
I’ll tell you a secret — it doesn’t really accomplish its purpose. I was being sarcastic. It makes you look silly. And not in a good way.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:11 pmPat Robertson is supposed to be in the business of saving souls, not politics. His tax exempt status should be yanked.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:15 pmWhy isn’t anyone saying this over and over? THE SECOND WORST ACT OF TERRORISM IN THIS COUNTRY WAS DONE BY A RIGHT WING NUT WHO WAS FORMER MILITARY!!!
April 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pmPat Robertson you are a low down no good lying dog. And you have no place calling anyone a name because you represent the devil and all of his evil works. You sir are not going to heaven becuase you aren’t really a christian. This man is nothing more than a fraud. The people who listen to his bullshlt are going to hell with him. He has condemned people for years and he’s going to end up in hell sittting right next to Bin Laden, Sadam Hussein, Hilter, Timothy McVeigh, Edy Amen, and all of the other serial killers, murders and monsters.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pmI saw Robertson several years ago, on television, actually pray (prey?) for the deaths of Supreme Court justices, so they could be replaced by right-wing waterheads he (and the Lord) approves of. Why is he not in prison? Can someone explain this to me? Every time this idiot opens his mouth it’s like a train wreck. I think I need to spend the rest of the afternoon repeatedly slamming my head in a car door to make it all go away…..
April 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pmupright left Says:
Yeah, it mirrors how the lefty pundits identify with the “left-wing extremists.” It speaks volumes. ;)
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What a stupid thing to write. Yeah I watch lefty pundits all the time, how many are there anyway, they sound just LIKE Che Guevara and Noam Chomsky. Wait a minute, no they dont. I have never in my LIFE heard a pundit on TV sound like either one of them. You are being stupid. The frame for punditry goes from the FAR right to the center left and I mean about two ticks left of center. To deny this is pure ignorance.
April 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pmupright left Says:
It appears to serve it’s purpose quite
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Yes it did. It showed what a stupid pompous bufoon you are.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Speaking of unclear comments, however, I’m not really sure what you mean by “I pointed out that lefty pundits identify with left wing extremists.” Do you have any examples of what you mean?
I thought you were a little brighter than that, ralph.
Seriously, though, you do know exactly what that comment means. Lefty pundits minimalize the actions of lefty extremists in order to try to promote their causes just like righty pundits do.
Peaceful pro-lifers are speaking out because they don’t want to sit quietly by and take the chance that they will be tied to the nuts who think it’s ok to hurt others in their protests. Like the way prolifers are frequently demonized here. Similarly, some vets felt like the report suggested that they are unusually susceptible to becoming extremists. They don’t want all vets to be smeared because of McVay.
Oh, and as for the winky face?
I’ll tell you a secret — it doesn’t really accomplish its purpose. I was being sarcastic. It makes you look silly. And not in a good way.
It’s not what you said that proves its effect. ;)
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
“…The frame for punditry goes from the FAR right to the center left and I mean about two ticks left of center. To deny this is pure ignorance.”
April 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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Hey, deb, how’s it going, bud? Excellent comment about how any disagreement with your opinion is pure ignorance.
You were right in your previous comment, though. Maddow, Olby, Shuster, Hartmann, Colmes, Schultz, Rhodes, Garofalo: not a far lefty in the group. Yeah, I know you said TV, but the comment to which you responded mentioned pundits in general. ;)
April 18th, 2009 at 4:30 pmWhat’s this? “I know you are but what am I”? Nicely played, sir. Perhaps I will counter with the trusted “I’m rubber/you’re glue” gambit. let me consider that…
You assume a lot. For instance, you assume for some reason that I know what’s going on in your head. In fact, my comment (which was the starting point of all this) described the willingness of right-wing voices to self-identify as right-wing extremists, not to “minimize the actions” of those on the same side. It stands to reason: the report described the threat posed by “right-wing extremists” and the most common response from voices of the right is to exclaim that they’re being called a threat to America. Thus, they must consider themselves right-wing extremists.
Your explanation here is much further afield from the original article and comment than mine, and thus your assumption that I knew “exactly what the comment means” is ridiculous.
As is this statement:
Lefty pundits minimalize the actions of lefty extremists in order to try to promote their causes just like righty pundits do.
In the first place, I asked you for examples, and you neglected to provide any.
In the second place, it’s a false equivalency, since righty pundits are not “minimalizing the actions of” right-wing extremists — they are including themselves in their number. They’re not even addressing the actions any right-wing extremists like Eric Rudolph or Jim Adkisson, let alone minimalizing them. They are instead claiming that they, the pundits, are being called a threat.
Just like you did when you wrote:
Peaceful pro-lifers are not generally considered “extremists” by law enforcement agencies such as the FBI or DHS, nor by any reasonable person. (Some overheated rhetoric here on these boards should not be used as evidence of anything the mainstream Left believes.) Yet by responding as if that is the conclusion of the report (it’s not; I’ve read it) they seem to be owning their fringe elements in ways that the left does not do.
The nuts who think it’s okay to hurt others in their protests are the extremists. They are the ones against whom the DHS report warns. Most reasonable people recognize that instinctively. Yet Pat Rpbertson pretends that the report calls the anti-choice movement as a whole a right-wing extremist threat to America. That’s what I mean by “identifying with extremists”. I hope I’ve made that clear enough for you to follow this time.
Conversely, when the report came out about left-wing extremism in January, it was in some ways much harsher, noting, for instance, that 70% of the deaths and injuries from extremist actions over the past several decades have been at the hands of those from the Left. But you didn’t hear a peep out of anyone on the Left in the mainstream media (admittedly, a much smaller group than the their counterparts on the Right) complain about being targeted or typecast. Nope. The Left just noted the report’s findings, nodded at the common sensical nature of them, and moved on. Because the mainstream Left knows that it’s not extreme in this country — hysterical hissy fits thrown by the Right notwithstanding.
And as for the vets, the report noted that returning vets are potential targets for recruiting efforts by right-wing groups. It did not say that vets themselves are a threat. Anyone who denies that a disaffected veteran makes an appealing potential convert for anti-government groups just doesn’t care to observe reality. Which may explain why so many right-wing pundits have objected to the finding.
And again, your little winky face just makes you look silly. And a iittle insincere.
April 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pmWow. Really nice straw man, there, Uptighty. I see you got one of your dad’s old hats to give it that finishing touch.
April 18th, 2009 at 5:45 pmupright left Says:
Hey, deb, how’s it going, bud? Excellent comment about how any disagreement with your opinion is pure ignorance.
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Pompous as always UL. Did I say that ANY comment that disagrees with me is ignorance? Why no I didnt I said THAT comment was ignorant and posted a good logical reason why. I notice you didnt even TRY to cough up the pundits that sound like Che Guevara or Noam Chomsky. No you think snarky pompous weaseling will take the place of logic reason or a cogent argument. It shows the weakness of your position and that you KNOW its weak.
You were right in your previous comment, though. Maddow, Olby, Shuster, Hartmann, Colmes, Schultz, Rhodes, Garofalo: not a far lefty in the group. Yeah, I know you said TV, but the comment to which you responded mentioned pundits in general.
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True enough not a far lefty in the group except arguably Garafalo who is NOT a pundit but an actress with an opinion. Colmes is a self described moderate who spent YEARS pretty much agreeing with most of the rightwing opinions on Fox and it is laughable that you would even THINK of putting him on the list I dont know Rhodes but ALL of the rest you put on that list are the two ticks left of center description I was talking about. Certainly you didnt really think that list was of pundits that sound like Che or Noam did you? THAT would be world class delusional
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
upright left Says:
I thought you were a little brighter than that, ralph.
What’s this? “I know you are but what am I”? Nicely played, sir. Perhaps I will counter with the trusted “I’m rubber/you’re glue” gambit. let me consider that…
Ok ralph, yet again I have to apologize. But, honestly, how was I to know you would have a problem with that, since it’s the exact same line that you used?
As for the rest of your essay, this line rather blows it: “Thus, they must consider themselves right-wing extremists.” If that came from, say RHF, it wouldn’t be a problem. But you are not generally so blatantly dishonest. Or was that was sarcasm as well?
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
“…The frame for punditry goes from the FAR right to the center left and I mean about two ticks left of center. To deny this is pure ignorance.”
April 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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Hey, deb, how’s it going, bud? Excellent comment about how any disagreement with your opinion is pure ignorance.
Wow. Really nice straw man, there, Uptighty. I see you got one of your dad’s old hats to give it that finishing touch.
Your comment would be valid had I not gone on to address his foolish and false statement. You must have mistakenly omitted that from your post. ;)
April 18th, 2009 at 6:59 pmUppityleft
Your comment would be valid had I not gone on to address his foolish and false statement. You must have mistakenly omitted that from your post. ;)
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NOOO you didnt. You didnt even come CLOSE to addressing it. YOU posted a list of center lefties and an actress my comment was that there WERE no extreme leftist pundits. No one sounding like Che or Chomsky. You werent within the same GALAXY as addressing that. My comment was factual and yours plain stupid and inane. Not addressing it was not an omission since it was a weak and irrelevant shot. Not even a good try. Either cough up the leftist commentators that sound like Che and Chomsky REAL extremists or admit you have NOTHING to back up your original and plainly stupid comment.
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Pompous as always UL. Did I say that ANY comment that disagrees with me is ignorance? Why no I didnt I said THAT comment was ignorant and posted a good logical reason why. I notice you didnt even TRY to cough up the pundits that sound like Che Guevara or Noam Chomsky. No you think snarky pompous weaseling will take the place of logic reason or a cogent argument. It shows the weakness of your position and that you KNOW its weak.
True enough not a far lefty in the group except arguably Garafalo who is NOT a pundit but an actress with an opinion. Colmes is a self described moderate who spent YEARS pretty much agreeing with most of the rightwing opinions on Fox and it is laughable that you would even THINK of putting him on the list I dont know Rhodes but ALL of the rest you put on that list are the two ticks left of center description I was talking about. Certainly you didnt really think that list was of pundits that sound like Che or Noam did you? THAT would be world class delusional
April 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
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No, deb, I didn’t address the Che Guevara part of your comment because it was so foolish. Unless you can show where anyone ever said such a commentator exists on American television. It was the “two ticks left if center” part that I addressed. Those that I listed are about as far left as Robertson is right. The fact that Colmes didn’t speak up for himself doesn’t change his views, which are far left. Garofalo, who is flaky and may well have been canned, had a radio show at one time and is unarguably far left. She pops up as a guest occasionally on the lefty shows on MSNBC. ;)
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Either cough up the leftist commentators that sound like Che and Chomsky REAL extremists or admit you have NOTHING to back up your original and plainly stupid comment.
April 18th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
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Two posts in a row with “cough up.” A new favorite phrase. ;)
April 18th, 2009 at 7:35 pmExactly my point. The absence of imagination in your reflexive retort. I’m surprised you don’t see that. Or perhaps you do see it and just would rather no acknowledge it?
Again, a point that doesn’t seem like it should be too subtle for you.
The report describes the growing threat from right-wing extremists. Not “conservatives”, not “Republicans”, not “anti-choice forces”. Right-wing extremists. It defines that term pretty clearly, stating that “threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts.”
Yet Pat Robertson, Sean Hannity, John Boehner, and others take it to mean the right wing. For instance, here’s how Lamar Smith (R-TX) characterized the report:
The government considers you a terrorist threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or are a returning war veteran.
I will say it once again, as plainly as I can: mainstream right-wing voices clearly identify themselves as the right-wing extremists that the report warns against. There is no other way to spin that. Perhaps it’s understandable, as virtually all of the issues listed in the report as likely causes to drive recruitment are issues that the mainstream right=wing is already intently focused on.
To my knowledge, left-wing voices said nothing like this when the earlier report was issued. If you have comparable quotes and links from mainstream voices on the left I would be pleased to see them.
It’s a shame that it has taken you this long to get a simple point well-supported by evidence. I mean, IF you have finally gotten it.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pmI am of the belief that the right wing fully accepts the likes of the Aryan Nation, the Nativist vigilantes, Storm Front (Richard Poplowski – Pittsburg cop killer), abortion doctor murderers, etc as legitimate members of their movement and as such deserve the protection of Fox news, Michael Savage, Limbaugh, Gov Perry, Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachman, etc. and are wrongly persecuted by the Government. It appears that the violence and extremism of the members of the rightwing movement is a fabrication of the Obama Homeland Security Department. The media megaphone of the John Birch Society has become loud indeed. The Black Helicopters and secret UN instructions as bar code on milepost signs are now out front and center in full display as the Tea Bag movement comes out from under their rocks with their Fox handlers telling them where to stand.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:17 pmEugene, I hope you won’t mind me butting in here…
The point Eugene made was absolutely valid. There are no “far left” pundits in the mainstream media. There is no one as hard left as Hannity is hard right, or Limbaugh, or Robertson. To say Alan Colmes is as far left as Robertson is far right is ludicrous. Not Olbermann, not Rachel Maddow. They both lean left, rachel probably farther than Keith, but neither of them make the kinds of comments that Pat Robertson made the other day.
The views you claim Comes holds aren’t really worth much if he doesn’t present them when given the chance. He’s pretty centrist, actually, not very far left at all. And using Janeane Garafolo as an example? Seriously? She hasn’t had a national forum in almost three years. She’s had nothing to say about this issue, as far as I can tell, and she’s certainly not a prominent voice to compare to Hannity or Robertson in terms of impact, audience or visibility as a “pundit”.
Fact is, Che Guevara IS “far left”. Noam Chomsky IS “far left”. Far left views do not make it into the national discourse the way that far right views do.
What’s ridiculous is trying to claim that Alan Colmes is “far left”.
Now that I think about it, you could be doing the left a favor. If someone with views as unthreatening as Alan Colmes is labeled “far left”, that could make the American people more comfortable with left-wing ideas. more comfortable than they are already, even. I think you should run with it.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:27 pmIt certainly seems so, doesn’t it, mickster?
April 18th, 2009 at 8:28 pmupright left Says:
No, deb, I didn’t address the Che Guevara part of your comment because it was so foolish.
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You didnt address it because you CANT your statement was stupid. The examples were supposed to be of EXTREME LEFTISTS Che or Chomsky would be good enough
Unless you can show where anyone ever said such a commentator exists on American television. It was the “two ticks left if center” part that I addressed. Those that I listed are about as far left as Robertson is right.
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No they arent. Not even close. However that wasnt the example you spoke to. What YOU responded to was Ralph saying that they were IDENTFYING THEMSELVES as extreme rightwingers by claiming THEY were being attacked by the DHS report ABOUT extreme rightwing groups so Robertson isnt the yardstick. Nice try at moving the goalposts but utterly dishonest.
The fact that Colmes didn’t speak up for himself doesn’t change his views, which are far left.
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No they arent. You just think if you SAY something it will become true even if it is as patently and obviously ludicrous as this. I have read one of the guys books he describes himself as a moderate he IS moderate. He is no more far left than Olympia Snowe is far right. It wont become true just because YOU are delusional enough to say it and repeat it.
Garofalo, who is flaky and may well have been canned, had a radio show at one time and is unarguably far left. She pops up as a guest occasionally on the lefty shows on MSNBC. ;)
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Yeah so doese Penn Jillette, Ted Nugent and Chuck Norris. When THEY are considered pundits get back to me. She is NOT a pundit. She is an actess with an opinion. She may be far left. I myself am certainly far left and NOT ONE PUNDIT you mentioned who really IS a pundit is as far left as I am much less what the original POINT YOU RESPONDED TO WAS which was EXTREME LEFT. You can TRY to move those goalposts because you are dishonest if you like but dont expect me to let you get away with it. Bottom line your first statement was flat out stupid.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:41 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Feel free ralph, you are the man.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:44 pmWell handled, Eugene. I can see you didn’t need my help.
April 18th, 2009 at 9:32 pm@140 follymac4468:
Whaa? Pat is still tax exempt? After all the damage he’s done he doesn’t have to contribute anything at all? Sheesh!
April 18th, 2009 at 9:33 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
It isnt so much I NEED the help but its always worth reading your take on the issue anyway so I am glad you chimed in. I never shy at butting in myself.
April 18th, 2009 at 10:03 pm______
ralph the wonder locust Says:
It’s a shame that it has taken you this long to get a simple point well-supported by evidence. I mean, IF you have finally gotten it.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
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Ralph, you were right again, at least partially. I certainly didn’t get why you were displaying this strange response to the hyperbole of the far right:
“I will say it once again, as plainly as I can: mainstream right-wing voices clearly identify themselves as the right-wing extremists that the report warns against.”
It just didn’t make sense that you were insisting on your statement as opposed to the obvious statements of said right-wingers that the govt was labeling people who back certain conservative causes as extremists.
After having read some other left wing sites, I understand completely. It’s the preferred lefty response. I should have immediately assumed it was a concerted effort since it was such a foolish claim. Statements so contrary to the truth are generally used by the most partisan among us.
This demonstrates the point nicely:
“I figured that, since Pat Robertson is reported above to have said, “somebody who doesn’t think that we should have abortion on demand, is labeled a terrorist!” thus expanding the definition of “terrorist” to include himself…”
Obviously, he didn’t include himself as a terrorist, but claimed (wrongly) that the govt labeled him a terrorist. What do you gain by dishonestly insisting that he called himself a terrorist?
April 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmAs a member of the armed forces, I have first hand account how our military is being manipulated by the right wing. I have to sit through the loads of biased attitudes young service members are fed. It is horrible how soldiers are being told not to think for themselves and free thinkers are admonished to questioning what they are told. Yes, there are times where you have to obey a command without question, however a line is crossed when inappropriate and dehumanizing language is associated with such given order.
April 19th, 2009 at 11:36 pmDon’t you think that since he gets personal prognostications from, and gives meteorological advice to, the Almighty himself, we ought to take him seriously?
April 20th, 2009 at 5:29 amI couldn’t practice before him because I’d throw up if I had to address him as “Your Honor.”
April 20th, 2009 at 5:30 amHi, i guess they can’t get any further out of power, so they might as well just let their homophobia run free.
April 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pmAre you speaking from experience sir? Are those who pontificate as self-appointed messengers of God with t.v. shows, also those whose sexual orientation is somewhat in question?
April 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pmupright left Says:
My GOD you are stupid. The preferred lefty response??? How about the LOGICAL response. We get you are too stupid to even RECOGNIZE logic but to continue to argue a point that any reasonably bright ten year old would have gotten the FIRST TIME is really special of you. Pick up your Special Olympics trophy on the way OUT.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am