Napolitano stands by DHS report conclusion that right-wing extremist groups are targeting vets.
Napolitano stands by DHS report conclusion that right-wing extremist groups are targeting vets.
Last week, the Department of Homeland Security released a report finding that right-wing extremist groups inside the United States may be gaining new recruits and that they are targeting veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan. Since then, conservative critics — led by Fox News — have been up in arms, with some claiming that the report shows that the Obama administration is waging a “war on veterans.” Today on CNN, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that she regrets the politicization of the report that has ensued, but stands by its conclusion:
NAPOLITANO: Here is the important point. The report is not saying that veterans are extremists. Far from it. What it is saying is returning veterans are targets of right-wing extremist groups that are trying to recruit those to commit violent acts within the country. We want to do all we can to prevent that.
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April 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pmWhy does a federal official even have to make this clarification on TV?
How difficult a concept is it to grasp?
April 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pmDHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that she regrets the politicization of the report that has ensued, but stands by its conclusion:
thank you.
please please PLEASE do NOT back down.
ever.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pmWhy does Napolitano HATE THE TROOPS??
/snark
April 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pmRemove Rushs broadcasts from the Armed Services Network
April 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pmhp Says:
Will the Obama administration ever be able to dig itself out of defense mode?
When the Repukes get out of full-on anti-American obstructionist treason mode, that’s when.
Any other questions, moron…?
April 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pmHi hp
April 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmWill you be responding to comments this day or just posting them?
hp Says: Will the Obama administration ever be able to dig itself out of defense mode?
This report was requested by GWB…
April 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmi don’t think it’s a problem of grasping, ralph…
but of admitting… to agree with the report, as simple as that should be, would be to admit what’s going on…
but, you knew that, i’m sure…
April 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmWhy do Republicans want our troops to become victim to terrorism?
Do they not care about our veterans?
April 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pmLet them cry, Rush has shown himself to critical of the CIC and is undermining the CIC.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pmslippery Says:
Napolitanowipe$!
slippery loves terrorists.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pmJust a thought but if we treated our returning vets with the respect they have earned, give them the support they have been promised, would we have to worry about them being vulnerable to this sort of propaganda?
April 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pmhoodathunk – good point, but -
April 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pmremember how the standards were lowered to gain recruits?
i can’t help but think that those who would be “vulnerable” are already bent to that kind of extremism… it’s why they went to war anyway – to finish off that video game they began at 12…
or younger… so many lost youths…
This isn’t assuming the worst about people, it’s acknowledging the harsh reality of years of conflict. Soldiers are routinely coming home to a PTSD showdown, and unfortunately we’ve endured accounts of their acting out, sometimes amounting to criminal acts. Extremist groups seek to recruit vets bogged down from the ills of being left behind by their government as an instant way to beef up the stable with government-provided military trainees.
Granted, it goes without saying that a minuscule percentage of vets actually succumb to the challenges they face, but the Homeland Security vacates the politicization of the last eight years and doesn’t sit around and wait for a tragic event to further paint all vets–already dealing with the stigma of seeking help for their problems–with a broad brush.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThere’s nothing more fun and exciting than watching the conservativerightwingnutcrazies squirm and complain when forced to face the truth of the DHS report! If the DHS report wasn’t true we’d never hear a peep about it from Fake News, Robertson, Rush or the other trolls on here.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pmhp Says:
Will the Obama administration ever be able to dig itself out of defense mode?
100% Pure NO from the party of permanent offense with failed never-ending defenses of the last eight years. Everything from logic to the polls dictates that the right-wingers should get off their assess and learn to solve a problem or two, out of the massive problem set they created.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:37 pmthe reichwing knows what Napolitano says is true, but they have no other way of staying on the air unless they snap the truth in half and grind it down into meaningless dust for their brainless useful idiot viewers.
I’m counting on karma to trash these people.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pmWhile it’s true that right-wing extremist groups are a possible threat, has there been a report issued detailing the rise in gang membership in general, as it has in this report about rightist extremists, in particular? It would be logical to assume gangs would also be recruiting returning, unemployed vets.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pmralph the wonder locust Says: Why does a federal official even have to make this clarification on TV?
I agree. Constantly responding to the invented outrages of Fox and it’s zombie followers simply legitimizes them, feeds them the attention and validation they crave, and encourages more of the same behavior.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pmAgain, Archie Bunker. White men can be terrorists too.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pmhp:
April 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pmSo it is safe to assume you will not be responding to questions this day?
what other groups are on the terrorist watch list? is peta and alf still on the list? all extremists should be on the list. these people are just insane.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pmAny group that wants to do harm to America or it’s people should be considered dangerous, this includes Islamic extremists, left wing extremists and right wing extremists.
I notice the idiots on Fox news and CNN are making it sound like the DHS is the most dangerous terrorist threat to America when they are not.
Obviously the GOP doesn’t want to keep our citizens safe from homegrown terrorism. They are only concerned with anti-war protesters and brown skinned terrorists from the Middle East.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmbarfly Says:
While it’s true that right-wing extremist groups are a possible threat, has there been a report issued detailing the rise in gang membership in general, as it has in this report about rightist extremists, in particular? It would be logical to assume gangs would also be recruiting returning, unemployed vets.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm““““““““““““““““““““““““““““
Good question. I recall reading an article where a gang member said he and his fellow gang members were enlisting so that they could become well trained killing machines for their gangs when they return home.
alf? That lovable alien?
April 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmI’m still waiting for republican senator Spencer Baccus to name the 17 socialists in congress and wonder if his wife has a deck of cards full of the queen of hearts??
April 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pm31
April 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pmBullshit She Wrote…
barfly Says:
While it’s true that right-wing extremist groups are a possible threat, has there been a report issued detailing the rise in gang membership in general, as it has in this report about rightist extremists, in particular? It would be logical to assume gangs would also be recruiting returning, unemployed vets.
I was waiting for this as I knew that someone, somewhere would pose this as a means to enter race or ethinicty to this.
Yes the military has always been out in front of the gang problem on military post and bases, and there we have training on what to look for and how to deal with it. But since the easing of recruitment (2003-present) there has been an influx of gang members joining.
The wearing of certain clothing is not allowed on some installations, there are gang units on installations and so on. Sure some of these idiots return home and pass on their training to the “hood”, but I say this.
As a First Sergeant in the U.S. Army, I never thought that I would see so many Soldiers of all ranks belong to para-military groups. While doing barracks inspections I have noticed all types of right winged militia literature in rooms of my fromer Soldiers, with the leaders of the groups being retired 1SG’s, CSM’s, Col’s, and it just shows how “connected” the right winged wacked out are to the military.
I myself was the target of some of my own Soldiers for being the first Black 1SG of MY Infantry Company, organized by a former retired CSM, that was once the battalion Command Sergeants Major.
When was the last time a Crip, Blood, Vice Lord, Latin King, etc., had the platfrom to spew garbage against the POTUS and the government in general? When was the last time said groups got on TV and called thge POTUS every name imaginable? Who was the last member of the above said gropus to blow up a federal building with the tacit approval of Republicans? Who is the biggest gang leader that has his show on the ARMED FORCES NETWORK telling troops to dishonor the POTUS, and calling him the Magic Negro and openly rooting for his failure, and they play that SH!t in all offices.
Spare me the comparison. because as long as the “gangs” are killing each other and some “random” people, the police, politicians, and most who are crying about the report today could care less. But when one of these Mutha______, blows up some sH!% and one of your family members impacted by it STFU.
I’m tired of the “but the _________ did it/do it too!” defense, its irrelevant, the FACT is these groups act with wink and nod of those who are supposed to be protecting us. When you have politicians himmin and hawin (practising my Texanese for when I visit the new Rebublic of Texaco) while the most vile and viscious speak of a POTUS since Kennedy, hoping and praying for the same outcome.
Now which gang has the power and backing of politicians, news/radio networks and stations to do that.
RIP
April 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
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hp, have you ever heard of Eric Rudolph?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph
April 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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Just a thought but if we treated our returning vets with the respect they have earned, give them the support they have been promised, would we have to worry about them being vulnerable to this sort of propaganda?
I couldn’t agree more. The returning veteran was best served after World War II. I believe President Obama has made it a priority to set the VA of on a better footing. Let’s hope they show these returning veterans the respect they deserve.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmShe is absolutely correct and this was clear from the beginning. It is yet another case of FOX starting the spin and the MSM running with it unquestioningly. It is the right-wing extremists that are recruting ex-military and the DHS is aware of this.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThe “liberal” threat always brings out bombers. During the election, the threats were high for Obama, except for the short time McCain was in the lead. White radicals prey on this stuff, and even the white run FBI understands this. Also, the military returnees are at risk because war is not a mentally stabalizing process, and up until now the last administration ignores the mental health needs of our troops. this is ripe territory for hate.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pmAnybody with half a brain knew what Napolitano said. It should have not been necessary for her to repeat her statement. The right wing always jumps to conclusions on what a statement really means, even when that meaning is crystal clear, as it was in this case. Fact: McVeigh was former military with a connection to militias. In the case of Oklahama City it only took a couple of bad apples.
Hell, I am former military with training on explosives. There are a lot of us out there. I have had no civilian need for that training but there is no denying that extremists groups would naturally seek out such individuals for training or deployment. It seems that the Republicans have become bedfellows with these same people.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:36 pmTired of Fighting, as usual an evocative post. The enemies are not always easily identified. It is definitely time for the US to pay serious attention to our internal problems. We are truly breeding our own seeds of destruction.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:49 pmProud American Says:
what other groups are on the terrorist watch list? is peta and alf still on the list? all extremists should be on the list. these people are just insane.
Maybe by your standards but I can’t recall the last time they advocated or using violence.
Unless you count the time PETA threw paint on your mink coat.
April 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pmthats a little more than paint
April 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmRodney Adam Coronado is what i remember alf member subsidized by peta. convicted of arson and plot to bomb university
April 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmCriminal profiling is all fun and games until it’s your ilk that’s being profiled.
April 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pmSpare me the comparison. because as long as the “gangs” are killing each other and some “random” people, the police, politicians, and most who are crying about the report today could care less. But when one of these Mutha______, blows up some sH!% and one of your family members impacted by it STFU.
Boy, you read a lot into a post, much that simply isn’t there.
I was asking about gang recruitment AFTER they left the service, yet your post addresses none of that. Instead, you go off on an ethnic rant. I did not reference race, you did. But since you mention it, “right wing groups” have a racial element to them, so I could just as easily been talking about skin-heads. Get off your STFU high-horse, and read things a little closer next time. Tired of fighting? Right.
April 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pmI was waiting for this as I knew that someone, somewhere would pose this as a means to enter race or ethinicty to this.
Which I didn’t do, so find another poster to play your games with. I won’t sit here and let you put words in my mouth, so watch it.
April 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pmHoodathunktick Says:
Maybe by your standards but I can’t recall the last time they advocated or using violence.
Unless you count the time PETA threw paint on your mink coat.
I don’t know where you live, hooda, but out in the PNW, we’re familiar with some eco-extremists that I would have no trouble referring to as “leftists.” They haven’t been terribly active lately, but they’ve certainly done their share of arson and plenty of other violent acts — spiking trees is incredibly dangerous to loggers.
April 19th, 2009 at 3:30 pmTrue, gummble-bee-itch. Some eco-freaks do indulge in acts that are dangerous. Regrettably so. But the vast majority of ‘left wing’ protests are not violent in nature or intent.
The last ‘violent’ wing was the Weathermen and they never got very far.
April 19th, 2009 at 4:10 pmAnd Pat Robertson is questioning her sexual orientation and is urging his followers to jam the phone lines at DHS. Bush’s surveillance didn’t bother him when Bush was in charge.
April 19th, 2009 at 4:52 pmHe’s identifying with domestic terrorists when he takes offense at the suggestion that White right wingers should be watched much as are the Swarthy Arab types he fears so much.
Anyway, the tighty-righties will blame Obama when one of their own commits a terrorist act. Like the abusive husband who blames his wife for the violence he perpetrates on her- “you made me do it” – is the excuse.
Hi hp
April 19th, 2009 at 5:18 pmStill just in posting mode I see. Thoughts are more effective when you can actually support them with intelligent follow-up
Proud American Says:
Rodney Adam Coronado is what i remember alf member subsidized by peta. convicted of arson and plot to bomb university
ALF is not sponsored by PETA. Provide a link or shut up. Burning down a ski resort while it’s still being built is a far cry from bombing abortion clinics and killing people, bombing gay bars and killing people, or bombing a federal office building and killing people. idiot.
April 19th, 2009 at 5:26 pm“Left Wing extremists continue to perform violent acts against the unborn in the name of liberty and freedom. They even recruit doctors and health professionals who have taken oaths to protect life. These left wingers continue to perform violent acts within this country, The United States Of America.”
April 19th, 2009 at 5:47 pmwolfycat47 Says:
“Left Wing extremists continue to perform violent acts against the unborn in the name of liberty and freedom. They even recruit doctors and health professionals who have taken oaths to protect life. These left wingers continue to perform violent acts within this country, The United States Of America.”
April 19th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Are you quoting yourself, or someone else? How about a link?
April 19th, 2009 at 5:57 pmA link??? Come on, let’s get real here. This whole thing is so ridiculous. Napolitano can say something like this when our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom. How ironic.
I am going to share something here. Do not lump all conservative individuals in with extremists. Extremists are people who bomb abortion clinics and perform acts like the inquisition, who are no better than people who murder unborn children.
Read Jesus’ Words and weep. If you think that all of those televangelists represent Him or His Heart…think again.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pmbrainless useful idiot viewers,
Spare me the comparison. because as long as the “gangs” are killing each other and some “random” people, the police, politicians, and most who are crying about the report today could care less. But when one of these Mutha______, blows up some sH!% and one of your family members impacted by it STFU.
Boy, you read a lot into a post, much that simply isn’t there.
I was asking about gang recruitment AFTER they left the service, yet your post addresses none of that. Instead, you go off on an ethnic rant. I did not reference race, you did. But since you mention it, “right wing groups” have a racial element to them, so I could just as easily been talking about skin-heads. Get off your STFU high-horse, and read things a little closer next time. Tired of fighting? Right.
The first phrase was taken from an earlier post, what are you talking about? Brainless useful idiot!!?? Useful for what?, congress? or an anchor job on CNN?
The second rant, I had to copy the whole thing, and then I had to read the first post twice to find any reference to race, couldn’t find it, until I got to the reply.
So, if race is what you saw, then we know where your heart is now don’t we.
I am neither left or right, but, from what I see this country coming to and the way these AMERICANS posting on this board are speaking to each other, I think we are in sad shape and I hate the fact that my grandkids are going to have to see this self-destruction come to a head. If you all would put half as much energy in coming up with a viable solution to the problems WE ALL are facing, this might be a better place to live in a short time. I am not on here to fight with any of you, I just wanted to say something, besides, I don’t think it fair to have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pmI don’t think it fair to have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pm—
passive aggressive much…. You blew your own schtick with the last sentence…
wolfycat47
April 19th, 2009 at 6:16 pmIs a miscarriage god murdering and unborn child? Can we atleast accept the fact that the law of the land sees this medical procedure as something different than murder?
Read Jesus’ Words and weep
April 19th, 2009 at 6:17 pm—
Jesus wrote a book? Or was it just an opinion piece in this morning’s paper? I must have missed it…
OK this is way off topic – but – I’m watching a special on MSNBC (Locked and Loaded) about kids and the gun culture in our country. I can’t believe folks are sending their kids to classes where they can learn about guns and how to use them! One guy even designed a child’s size AK47. WHY?? We’re going to have a new generation of gun toting wingnuts and potential terrorists. We need to expand the DHS! LOL – Sigh!
April 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pmpretty extreme to even THINK that “our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom.”
how ironic indeed…
April 19th, 2009 at 6:31 pmwolfycat47 Says:
A link??? Come on, let’s get real here. This whole thing is so ridiculous.
Yes, a link. It usually helps to put a loaded quotation like that in context as to who said it, when they said it, is that person a credible source, etc.
“Napolitano can say something like this when our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom. How ironic.”
First, the report was done at the behest of the Bush Administration. Napolitano was just installed as head of DHS in the last couple of weeks. You’re conveniently condemning the messenger.
Second, how many Republican Presidents have there been since Roe v Wade? Apparently, according to your viewpoint, since none of them sought to overturn Roe, those Republican Presidents condoned freedom of choice for the majority of American citizens (women comprise approximately 53% of the population.)
I am going to share something here. Do not lump all conservative individuals in with extremists. Extremists are people who bomb abortion clinics and perform acts like the inquisition, who are no better than people who murder unborn children.
I’m going to share something here: most of us on the left are not stupid enough to “lump all conservative individuals in with extremists.” Extremists are people who bomb abortion clinics and stash an extra bomb at the site to kill the police and other emergency personnel who rush to the bomb site. And, once again, the law of this land does not consider abortion to be murder.
Read Jesus’ Words and weep.
Why should we weep? Most of us agree with most of what Jesus had to say.
“If you think that all of those televangelists represent Him or His Heart…think again.”
If you think that we think that televangelists, or even most professed “Christians”, represent Christ, well, you must be delusional or this is your first time here. I really hope that this is your first time here.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:40 pmwolfy spouts:
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his whole thing is so ridiculous. Napolitano can say something like this when our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom
Fetus, not an infant. An infant is a child that has already left the womb. A fetus is a sack of cells, barely conscious. let’s focus on humans that are already born. Besides, how many of you pro-lifers adopt children? Not man, which means you have no room to talk.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:41 pmLet’s see:
“Right-wing extremist groups are targeting vets” = “vets are right-wing extremists”
…much in the same way that…
“Pickpockets are targeting tourists” = “tourists are pickpockets”
Neither one makes sense. But that’s not going to stop the braying right. They’ll never allow reality or rational thinking to get in the way of a good rant.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:41 pmwolfycat47 Says:
Shyte time to schedule my abortion!
April 19th, 2009 at 6:45 pmwolfycat47 Says
April 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I am going to share something here. Do not lump all conservative individuals in with extremists. Extremists are people who bomb abortion clinics and perform acts like the inquisition, who are no better than people who murder unborn children.
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You’re kidding — right? I haven’t heard anybody on the left “lumping” all conservative individuals in with right-wing extremists crackpots. Instead, I’m hearing a LOT of conservative individuals appear to lump themselves in with extremists as they take umbrage at this report. They’re claiming the report is attacking THEM. And this I don’t understand. Why are they doing this?
April 19th, 2009 at 6:47 pmNice analogy, missmolly. (You don’t mind if I go back to your non-insect name, do you? It;s shorter.)
From what I’ve observed, the right wing prefers to tap into people’s emotions, rather than appeal to their reasoning abilities. When our human emotions are riled up, we tend to stop using our critical thinking skills. If someone comes running up to you yelling, “Run for your life, they’re after us,” odds are you’ll run first and ask questions later. This is the strategy of the right wing.
And there is one simple reason they do this: They do not have a rational argument to support their policies.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:49 pmYou cannot equate “God” with “the law of the land.”
katydid, is it not true that the president re-enacted the partial birth abortion bill?
Oh, and by the way, my husband did adopt a child…
And for “Progressive Republican” there is nothing one can say to a person that feels an unborn infant is a sack of ‘cells?’
Hi Jane, I have no respect for anyone, liberal or conservative, who condones something to hopefully acquire 53% of ‘a vote.’
Het, dbadass…there is nothing I can “prove” or “say” to you, either. You are definitely going to believe what you want. So, have fun believing it. Jesus never forced anyone to follow Him.
Not hiding…have to go feed. I’ll be back to read.
Best to “all.”
April 19th, 2009 at 6:59 pmEric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh
Both ex-military, both terrorist, both killed innocent Americans.
How do we allow any Republican mouth piece to say one thing about this and not just slam them.
The report was requested by the G W Bush.
There was a report on left wing targets that came out in January.
This has to be the easiest smack down ever!! How does anyone let them whine about this?
April 19th, 2009 at 6:59 pm“You cannot equate “God” with “the law of the land.”
No, you certainly cannot. Particularly since our founding fathers insisted on a separation of church and state. As did Jesus, BTW.
“God” is just another invention of man. If you feel differently, you may choose to believe in a specific god, but please leave me alone to choose whether or not I believe in your god or someone else’s god or no god at all.
And just WTF does this have to do with the topic of the thread anyway?
April 19th, 2009 at 7:16 pmYou cannot equate “God” with “the law of the land.”
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April 19th, 2009 at 7:19 pmThat’s true as there are too many of them which is exactly why the law of the land can’t be based on your god, my gods, or the god or gods of our neighbors…
Not hiding…have to go feed.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:20 pm—-
What do you have for critters. I always enjoyed the evening feed back when I was on the farm. I am being serious and am curious. I did organic pastured livestock and produce. What are you into?
So, true! What’s more, the right plays to the emotions of fear and anger. They rarely use compassion, sympathy, or any other emotion relating to love. I think one reason is that the moment you start caring for people you suddenly can’t play the ownership society game, and you move from reactionary emotions that play to base instincts of survival.
I fully agree that we on the left think much more rationally, but I also believe we choose to embrace compassion rather than fear. The only time I see the right doing anything at all like that is when religion is introduced and distorted in some way, but even then they identify enemies.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:22 pmdbadass Says:
You cannot equate “God” with “the law of the land.”
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That’s true as there are too many of them
Or none of them, depending on one’s individual views. :-)
April 19th, 2009 at 7:23 pmmove away from reactionary emotions that play to base instincts of survival.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:24 pmUnfortunately, recruitment was such a problem during the Bush years, that criminals, gang members, and white supremacists were enlisted. Here’s a link to an article about gang members. Here’s a link to an article about white nationalist groups.
Veterans have special issues and needs, especially where combat is concerned. But as a veteran, I can say with absolute certainty that veterans and soldiers aren’t special people, immune to the faults and vices of everyone else. Because of their military training, veterans are obvious choices for recruitment among extremist groups. Anyone getting their underwear in a wad over a report that acknowledges that is a few cards shy of a full deck.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pmWayne Ant Schneider
April 19th, 2009 at 7:31 pmI regret my oversight. As always you are correct I appreciate and welcome your corrections and refelctions.
Sorry if my comments above came across cheesier than I intended. >.< I just feel like the right wing doesn’t give a damn about human life, and we do. They say they do because they’re “pro-life,” but they don’t care about the lives that could be saved thanks to stem cell research.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:31 pmWayne:
April 19th, 2009 at 7:32 pmI assume we can agree that Jane is a goddess….
No problem, dbadass, my friend. All is forgiven. :)
April 19th, 2009 at 7:44 pmWe might agree, dbadass, but I don’t know if Jane would.
April 19th, 2009 at 7:44 pmGoddesses work in mysterious ways…
April 19th, 2009 at 7:47 pmladybastet Says:
Sorry, in all of the talk of gods, I neglected godesses! ;)
Good point about most on the right not using the more empathetic emotions. There must be something different going on in their brains (scientifically, not just the obvious ’something different’.)
April 19th, 2009 at 8:09 pm“We might agree, dbadass, but I don’t know if Jane would.”
Only if you put me in the same ‘domestic goddess’ niche as Roseanne – fat and lazy (but at least I can sing the National Anthem better than she did, and more respectfully, too.) Wait, I guess both Roseanne and I couldn’t fit into the same niche. Unless it’s a really big niche! ;)
April 19th, 2009 at 8:13 pmProud American Says:
what other groups are on the terrorist watch list? is peta and alf still on the list? all extremists should be on the list. these people are just insane.
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If I remember right, and I am pretty sure I do, PETA was specifically mentioned in the other report on leftwing extremist groups. So yeah they are on the watch list. Though PETA takes care that NO ONE IS HURT in their actions though I am not a fan. No extremists should not be in jail. We cannot criminalize thought. They can be watched. Only ACTIONS are criminal not BEING nutso
April 19th, 2009 at 8:14 pmProud American Says:
Rodney Adam Coronado is what i remember alf member subsidized by peta. convicted of arson and plot to bomb university
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PETA is radical and they do criminal acts but I bet you cant cough up a SINGLE CASE of them killing anyone. So go after them I am all for it but lets not pretend it is the same kind of threat as McVeigh.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:17 pmhp Says:
You are a punk and a troll. You have never once added a single thing to conversation. You are a brainwashed piece of garbage and the sooner TP bans you the better this site will be. Your stupidity is a stench on this message board
April 19th, 2009 at 8:19 pmwolfycat47 Says:
Abortion isnt criminal and YOU are a brainwashed moron. You dont like abortion then try to change the law. WHINING like a punk that Americans dont see the issue the way YOU do is just stupid and pathetic
April 19th, 2009 at 8:21 pmwolfycat47 Says:
I have read the bible. Jesus didnt say a THING about abortion despite your brainwashed take on the matter it is NOT murder and it wont BECOME murder just because you WISH America agreed with you WHICH THEY DONT. So think about your stupidity and weep
April 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pmleftisnotright Says:
Dear ignorant brainwashed moron. You may be neither left nor right but you clearly are stupid. Your rant made no point. You are angry in some vacuous way about the left but are too stupid to even point out anything WRONG with the report you are attacking. So reach down and TRY to come up with a cogent argument or go sit in the corner and pour yourself a nice steaming hot cup of STFU while the ADULTS talk
April 19th, 2009 at 8:27 pmNapolitano has apparently connected the dots that folks learn skills in the military that would be useful in extremist groups. Additionally, the military has attempted to inculcate various worldviews (us vs. them, loyalty to the group above all, etc.) which can be used by extremist groups.
Add into this the reports of a few years ago suggesting that extremists could be joining the military strictly to gain training and experience in military skills.
Add in that extremist groups appeal mostly to those who are disenfranchised.
Additionally, if you are part of the elite great society, how likely are you to join the military and likely to be sent to Iraq vs. taking daddy’s full ride to celebrate 4 to 6 years of college without responsibility.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:28 pmwolfycat47 Says:
Well you are right. God is not equatable to the law of the land. HIS rules are optional if you want to follow them as YOU see them I encourage you to do so. They are NOT enforceable as the law is since we are not FOUNDED on the bible but the constitution which is why only TWO of the Ten commandments are enforceable and at least three of them are flat out unconstitutional. If you WANT the Taliban to rule you I suggest vacationing in Afghanistan and see how you like it.
There is nothing to say to someone who just makes a CLAIM then says if you dont see it my way nothing can be said. You are right. You decided that facts and reality mean nothing to you so there really isnt anything to say. Feel free to be bound by your religious beliefs. I am all for it. Do NOT think that EVERYONE in this country many of whom do NOT subscribe to your religion at ALL much less YOUR interpretation of your religion is obligated to follow that YOU think. Hope that helps you out. If you want to change the abortion law, this venue is a waste of your time if you want to chide us for not being as narrow minded as YOU are then you might begin to encounter some hostility very soon. I dont know what you think you can accomplish by insulting us for not seeing things the way YOU do.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:33 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
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From what I’ve observed, the right wing prefers to tap into people’s emotions, rather than appeal to their reasoning abilities. When our human emotions are riled up, we tend to stop using our critical thinking skills. If someone comes running up to you yelling, “Run for your life, they’re after us,” odds are you’ll run first and ask questions later. This is the strategy of the right wing.
And there is one simple reason they do this: They do not have a rational argument to support their policies.
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So very true what is fascinating is how rightwing screechmonkeys THEN program their minions to come to places like this and tell us that LIBERALS are all about emotion and dont reason rationally. A clearer example of projection I have never seen
April 19th, 2009 at 8:40 pmWhat’s funny is to watch a hardcore FOX News/Rush L/Ann C fan get red in the face while yelling about how I have no control of my emotions and they complete cloud my judgment.
There was also the time that I sent Glen Beck an email (this was before his FOX News days) that was commenting on his sickening level of extremism. He actually responded to my email saying I was a “lemming” and that my email address was now blocked. As you can imagine I shed no tears over that one.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:55 pmladybastet Says:
Being called a lemming by Beck is a badge of honor. Other than Hannity he must be the dumbest pundit on TV. I dont know how he even HAS an audience. His rantings are barely in the English language. Certainly not recognizable sentences.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:58 pmkatydid Says:
pretty extreme to even THINK that “our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom.”
how ironic indeed…
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It’s called “Pro-Choice.” What if your daughter was raped and found out she was pregnant by the rapist and she was not ready to have a child by a man that raped her, would you make her keep it? You probably would the first in line to get your daughter to abort the fetus.
And right-wingnuts do recruit vets when they returned home. A friend of mine who served in the Persian Gulf War, married an African-American women was recruited. When the right-wing extremist found out he was married to an African-American women they harassed him and his wife so badly they smeared shyt on their door, they vandalized the their car When he called the police to complained the police dismissed it as a kids prank but come to find out the son of the police officer was a right-wing fanatic. So he and his wife packed up and left.
But what was interesting is how they tried to recruit him, they befriended him first and hung out with each other. When one of the guys was throwing a backyard party he was told to bring his wife. When he got to the party they refuse to let him in and told him that his wife was not welcomed.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:07 pmWTF???
just because they arent good at it and were not successful does mean that they are not a threat. they fire bomb civilian houses with the civilians in it, and plot to blow up universities. if ole timmy’s bomb did not go off if it was a du then he would not have been a threat??? all extremists are nuts and there is no rationale or justification for it.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:41 pmI wouldn’t be surprised if either the ADL or the SPLC isn’t behind the intent to vilify those Americans on either the right or left who aren’t in the bag to the status quo. These special interest groups, and that is what they are, thrive on targeting groups who they perceive as a threat to their own fund raising. Actually many see these hate mongering groups such as ADL or SPLC as threats to our general liberty, freedom of speech, and the American way of not accepting being shushed by the political correct police.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:57 pmFools, all of ya.
April 19th, 2009 at 10:14 pmclick your heels and hop to go home…
2012
hope
April 19th, 2009 at 10:16 pm:-)
citizen_pain
Your just another republican “zombie.”
April 19th, 2009 at 10:24 pmBlah Blah Blah
Romero would have an insidious laugh
And don’t call me a Republican; that hurts
I may seek revenge
April 19th, 2009 at 10:36 pmThose boys have had their water fluridated for YEARS now!!! Of course there going to want to get back at the COMMIES and the EVIL-DOERS who have been poisoning their vital fluids!
April 19th, 2009 at 10:45 pmagitator Says:
I wouldn’t be surprised if either the ADL or the SPLC isn’t behind the intent to vilify those Americans on either the right or left who aren’t in the bag to the status quo.
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Too silly to argue over.
Try something MEANINGFUL.
April 19th, 2009 at 10:56 pmVaranus komodoensis Says:
katydid Says:
pretty extreme to even THINK that “our new president agrees with murdering unborn infants in the name of freedom.”
how ironic indeed…
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It’s called “Pro-Choice.” What if your daughter was raped and found out she was pregnant by the rapist and she was not ready to have a child by a man that raped her, would you make her keep it? You probably would the first in line to get your daughter to abort the fetus.
Uh, varanus? Katydid was quoting ‘wolfycat47′, not arguing against abortion rights. You don’t need to ‘yell’ (all boldface) at her, your argument should be with wolfycat47. Go back up to comments #50 and #52.
April 19th, 2009 at 11:31 pmcitizen_pain Says:
2012
When we drive the point home.
Not that it will shut you up even then. That’s what 2016 is for.
April 19th, 2009 at 11:46 pmWhy is it that no one on the right seems to be alarmed by the
inference of this report ? Rather than showing concern over the reality of the information, they’re more troubled that it
makes them look bad.
Guilty conscious perhaps ?
April 20th, 2009 at 12:09 amJane E. Schneider,
Thanks JES for pointing that out been a tough day on these blogs :)
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katydid,
my apologies for a misdirected post I directed to you.
This torture crap has gotten me bogged down.
April 20th, 2009 at 12:28 amProud American Says:
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Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
PETA is radical and they do criminal acts but I bet you cant cough up a SINGLE CASE of them killing anyone. So go after them I am all for it but lets not pretend it is the same kind of threat as McVeig
WTF???
just because they arent good at it and were not successful does mean that they are not a threat. they fire bomb civilian houses with the civilians in it, and plot to blow up universities. if ole timmy’s bomb did not go off if it was a du then he would not have been a threat??? all extremists are nuts and there is no rationale or justification for it.
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Wrong. If you knew anything (I know, I know) about animal rights activists they do not target people and they don’t “firebomb houses with civilians in it(sic)”. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t even bring it up because it makes you look like a lock-step lemming. Go figure.
You are misinformed, much like your fellow crusaders. Please give a legitimate link to a legitimate news item about a single person being killed by PETA. You can’t because it is a red herring (but not a commie. Heh).
While I certainly don’t agree with all of PETA’s activities, to claim they have murdered people is a canard. In fact, they carefully choose their targets to avoid injuring people.
Looking forward to those links.
Cheers.
April 20th, 2009 at 2:19 amen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Coronado
here is that link.
and as i stated before just because you are not successful at murdering some one does not mean that you are not a threat.
all extremists are nuts and I can not believe that you are actually defend any terrorist organization. take the extreme left and the extreme right put them in a bag and shake them up. can’t tell the difference. there is no place for anyone like that.
April 20th, 2009 at 5:00 amI think the part about plotting to bomb an apartment complex is interesting. Wonder how he was going to get everyone out before he bombed it.
April 20th, 2009 at 5:03 amProud American,
You’ve been ramblin and scramblin all nite attempting (although fruitlessly) to make the point that ONE liberal ALMOST became a dangerous extremist?
Methinks thou should change thy name to “Stupid American”.
April 20th, 2009 at 7:00 amnobody was in that abortion clinic that i bombed so its alright. all i was stating from the beginning is that ALL EXTREMISTS are a threat but since alf and peta are left wing liberal groups some of you chose to defend them. everybody jumps on me maybe it is because of my name. however on most points I agree with the majority of people that post here. it just disappoints me that you are defending them just because they are liberal. that doesn’t make it right. but i guess that the wing nutters are not the only ones that have the blind leading the blind.
April 20th, 2009 at 7:30 amWhere’s The Donald when you need him? “Janet, you’re fired!”. Sheesh, what a bunch of morons we have in this administartion.
April 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pmProud American Says:
Eugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
PETA is radical and they do criminal acts but I bet you cant cough up a SINGLE CASE of them killing anyone. So go after them I am all for it but lets not pretend it is the same kind of threat as McVeig
WTF???
just because they arent good at it and were not successful does mean that they are not a threat. they fire bomb civilian houses with the civilians in it, and plot to blow up universities. if ole timmy’s bomb did not go off if it was a du then he would not have been a threat??? all extremists are nuts and there is no rationale or justification for it.
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I cannot believe how stupid you are. I cannot believe what a lying PUNK you are. PETA IS good at it. That is why they have NEVER killed anyone because they TAKE MEASURES to assure no one is killed or injured by their vandalism and arsons. You are such a weasel. You are such a liar. Why do you bother to come here just to tell lies and show what an ignorant PUNK you are. The thing is you are a liar. You dont care BEANS about what is true and will tell any lie you can to slander anyone on the left. You are the stupidest poster on this site and THAT is the ONLY accompishment you will ever have to be proud of.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:36 amProud American Says:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Coronado
here is that link.
and as i stated before just because you are not successful at murdering some one does not mean that you are not a threat.
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I dont know what is worse about you. That you are such a liar or that you are so stupid. He tells you PETA never killed anyone and to refute this you link to a site that A) doesnt even MENTION PETA and B)is about a guy who never killed anyone, never TRIED to kill anyone and isnt even ACCUSED of ever trying to kill anyone. You are too stupid and too much of a liar to be believed
April 21st, 2009 at 7:46 amProud American Says: 110
You are SUCH a liar. PETA has been condemned we just also pointed out that your stupid attempt at a point is a false equvalence because PETA, while radical takes pains NOT TO HURT PEOPLE only property. If you cannot see that isnt the same thing then you are even MORE of a moron than I thought you were and I have ALWAYS thought you were extraordinarily stupid
April 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am