I actually said that I would not and believe that most people would not rule out torture no matter what the circumstance. It is not always right and it is not always wrong.

Decent human being rule it out no matter what the circumstance. It is always wrong.

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independent989 Says:

Absolutely. Now if that doesn’t work what do you do. You have tried every single thing short of torture. What do you do, just walk away and say “Well guess I can have another kid.” I would appreciate an answer on this one.

Torture doesn’t work. So no, I haven’t tried “every single thing short” of it. I also haven’t tried using tarot cards or tea leaves. There are a million things I haven’t tried that are exactly as likely to work as torture.

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independent989 Says:

And a person who believes he can fly will jump off of the first tall building that he can get to the top of. What the hell does that have to do with anything.

Your daughter’s life is in danger. You’ve tried everything short of jumping off of a tall building. Are you too much of a wimp to do that? To save your daughter?

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Tim Vaculik Says:

Just when I think I’ve seen and heard the worst from you nutjobs, a post like this comes along and provides an outlet for yet more mindless screeching!

Are you actually referring to your own post? I’m confused here. Perhaps you’ve got some personal issues you should work out in private.

As well, as long as he has FOX he will NEVER face an aggresive confronting reporter.

Just when I think I’ve seen and heard the worst from you nutjobs, a post like this comes along and provides an outlet for yet more mindless screeching!

Mindless, useful IDIOTS describes the lot of you!

Sean Hannity who is a wingnut, plain and simple.

FAUX Noise, the official propaganda outlet of the wingnuts on the reich.

How mush should I believe?

barfly Says:
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Yes, you kidnap his son and crush his balls in front of him. And it’s OK because Cheney said so.

And kiss any chance of building a rapport, that actually might free your hypothetical child? You have already killed your chances for cooperation, so the next step must be real torture, the Inquisition kind, with thumbscrews, and Iron maidens, the rack, and scourging with fire.

Oh sure, just like a librul. You’d try to talk. I’d show that kidnapper. If he still wouldn’t talk I kidnap all of his children and put them in boxes full of fire ants and spiders!

And kiss any chance of building a rapport, that actually might free your hypothetical child? You have already killed your chances for cooperation, so the next step must be real torture, the Inquisition kind, with thumbscrews, and Iron maidens, the rack, and scourging with fire.

This is not surprising. The man who says that torture is not really torture is likely to claim that personal attacks are not really personal attacks.

In a nutshell! Nail hit on head! Nice post.

barfly Says:
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Again, the captured kidnapper has been tortured and not given you any actionable intel. Do you next threaten his child? What is the next step, after torture has failed?

Yes, you kidnap his son and crush his balls in front of him. And it’s OK because Cheney said so.

Again, the captured kidnapper has been tortured and not given you any actionable intel. Do you next threaten his child? What is the next step, after torture has failed?

Bingo!

I think he’d try a tree, or a high porch first, but in your all or nothing worldview, he MUST climb to the first life-endangering height, eh?

April 21st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
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And the rest of the civilized world.

What does that make you?

One of those tricky yes-I-believe-no questions.

Gotcha understood.

Short answer: no. Scenarios are a dime a dozen. Scenarios that actually happen or could happen are much rarer. Sitting in your chair you can probably dream up some kind of scenario where torture is the only answer. In reality, from everything I’ve read and have considered, torture seems to never be the right answer and always makes things worse.

So your answer is no meaning that there is or is not ever a situation that could require torture?

Correct because she is safe. It is worth it all.

Since you’re constructing scenarios: You’ve used all the non-torture means at your disposal, and went the next step and tortured him, and gotten little for your trouble. What then?

False choice. There is always another option, but a person who believes torture is the most effective option will ignore all other options.

And a person who believes he can fly will jump off of the first tall building that he can get to the top of. What the hell does that have to do with anything. I did not say that it is was or had to be the most effective option. I asked is torture wrong no matter what the circumstance. This is the stance taken by your party and many here.