Harman: ‘I’m Just Very Disappointed’ NSA Wiretapped Me, After I Voted To Allow Them To
Harman: ‘I’m Just Very Disappointed’ NSA Wiretapped Me, After I Voted To Allow Them To
On Sunday, CQ reported that the NSA had wiretapped Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), listening in on a call in which she apparently offered a quid pro quo to a lobbyist group. Harman has vigorously denied the reports. Today, she appeared on MSNBC to express her shock and outrage that her phone calls were listened to, saying she was “disappointed” that the U.S. could have allowed such “a gross abuse of power”:
HARMAN: I’m just very disappointed that my country — I’m an American citizen just like you are — could have permitted what I think is a gross abuse of power in recent years. I’m one member of Congress who may be caught up in it, but I have a bully pulpit and I can fight back. I’m thinking about others who have no bully pulpit and may not be aware, as I was not, that right now somewhere, someone’s listening in on their conversations, and they’re innocent Americans.
Watch it:
Harman’s anger seems a bit disingenuous, considering that she was one of the earliest supporters of Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. When the practice was revealed by the New York Times in 2005, she defended it as “essential,” though admitted she was “concerned” about its scope:
“I have been briefed since 2003 on a highly classified NSA foreign collection program that targeted Al Qaeda. I believe the program is essential to U.S. national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities,” Harman said. “Like many Americans, I am deeply concerned by reports that this program in fact goes far beyond the measures to target Al Qaeda about which I was briefed.”
In fact, in 2004 she “urged that The [New York] Times not publish the article” revealing Bush’s program.
Indeed, she issued a press release in 2007 specifically highlighting that the updated FISA bill she approved of would fully allow warrantless wiretapping:
This bill does a good job — a far better job than the bill reported last month by the Senate Intelligence Committee. … This legislation arms our intelligence professionals with the ability to listen to foreign targets — without a warrant — to uncover plots that threaten US national security. The bill also protects the Constitutional rights of Americans by requiring the FISA court, an Article III Court, to approve procedures to ensure that Americans are not targeted for warrantless surveillance.
To her credit, Harman warned against “a slippery legal slope to potential unprecedented abuse of innocent Americans’ privacy” and stated her opposition to granting telecommunications companies retroactive immunity. Perhaps her outrage at being a target of wiretapping herself will force her to realize that the program she deemed “essential” invaded the privacy of untold millions of Americans.
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Is our ‘reprehensitives’ learning yet?
April 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pmNow…THAT’S irony
April 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pmGee, Ms. Harmon, after selling your soul to the devil, you didn’t think he would take it and slice it into hamburger?
We need smarter Representatives in Congress.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pmStupid cow.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:49 pmSeriously, what did she think they were going to do!?
April 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pmWhile the good ubermensch were fine with voting to allow warrantless wiretaps of the untermensch, I sure hope that this becomes a wake-up call that lets the good Senators see that the Anti-Patriot Loss-of-Freedom Act was and is a bad idea.
And, did I understand correctly that the wiretap under question had a warrant and everything ? So it wasn’t even an illicit tap ?
April 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pmHarman: ‘I’m Just Very Disappointed’ NSA Wiretapped Me, After I Voted To Allow Them To
Whew.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pmFinally caught my breath.
My stomach aches from laughing so hard.
What goes around, comes around.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:52 pmSo, in this case, what was good for the ganders ended up bein’ used on the goose.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:55 pm“Gee whiz, Wally . . . I wonder what position she took on Dennis Kucinich’s proposals to impeach bush and various members of his administration while the illegal wiretapping was going on???”
April 21st, 2009 at 4:55 pmI’m convinced that once a year they must hold a private dinner for politicians in Washington where they compete for a prestigious, highly-coveted “Hypocrite of the Year” award.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pmI guess it was ok with Harman that we “little people” were at risk for being wiretapped…
April 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pmHarman’s toast. Ok for me, but not for thee. I thought that was a GOP mantra – not for corrupt dems too.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:57 pmQuick reminder, These wiretaps were court approved, and not part of Bush’s NSA program that Harman was supporting. However, the fact that she’s complaining about legal wiretaps while at the same time seeking to expand them into formerly illegal areas is hypocritical in the extreme.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:58 pm“Harman: ‘I’m Just Very Disappointed’ NSA Wiretapped Me, After I Voted To Allow Them To ”
You got what you wish for! Now, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights again before voting for another criminal endeavor!
April 21st, 2009 at 4:59 pmSniffle, sniffle, I feel bad. I wonder how many other people who thought they would be immune to the spying are beginning to wonder if they too have been J. Edgar Hoovied.
Didn’t their mothers tell them they should always wear clean undies, you never know when you might end up in the emergency room?
April 21st, 2009 at 5:00 pmthis simply proves how flaky she and pelosi are.
completely clueless… sub-stepford wives. sad.
they sell us up the river, and then they’re surprised when they’re discarded after they’ve been used.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:05 pmHarman,
Go away! STFU! You are the enemy!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:06 pmWait a second, suddenly the 4th Amendment is a good idea?
I thought if you had nothing to hide you had nothing to worry about and the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact and you don’t have any liberty when you’re dead (sorry New Hampshire you’ll need a new state Motto) and all that. Or did that only apply to the rest of America. Not to Jane Harman.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmIt sucks when those chickens come home to roost.
:|
Next time vote no.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmThis Israeli c v n t must go!
She sold out for another country!!! Not the USA!!!!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:10 pmChickens have come home to roost. She will get everything she deserves. By the way she does not deny any of this, is only demanding proof and is acting as though victimized. a defense often employed by repugs.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:11 pmShe thought she would be immune from wiretapping by just being Israeli!
That’s the problem with people who don’t represent the USA’s best interests.
What an unamerican, traitorist moron!!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:13 pmYet again, we learn the lesson our Founding Fathers were trying to teach us: if you give power to someone, they will use it to f**k you, every time.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:14 pmHARMAN: I’m just very disappointed that my country — I’m an dual Israeli/American citizen just like most of my true friends are — could have permitted what I think is a gross abuse of power in recent years. I’m one of many members of Congress who will be caught up in it, but I have a bully pulpit and I can fight back (with the help of AIPAC). I’m thinking about others who have no bully pulpit(suckers) and may not be aware, as I was not, that right now somewhere, someone’s listening in on their conversations, and they’re innocent Americans. Even though at the time I could give less than a damn about everyone else’s right to not have their righs infringed upon, but since finding out it was I whowas targeted I am really really angry.
There Mrs. Harman, I fixed it for you.
RIP
April 21st, 2009 at 5:15 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
She’s on CNN right now. This is rich! “I don’t know what I said on the phone!”
April 21st, 2009 at 5:17 pmGee Jane we’ve been disappointed a lot longer than you have. How does it FEEL?
April 21st, 2009 at 5:18 pmI guess Harman was having a Marie Antoinette moment when she voted on giving the government the power to destroy the 4th Amendment…Hey Janey…F U!, you slag heap for selling us out in the first place…
April 21st, 2009 at 5:19 pm2009: The Year Everyone Gets What They F@#%ing Deserve
April 21st, 2009 at 5:19 pm“This is a strange event.” – Jane Harman
LOL
April 21st, 2009 at 5:21 pmAll I can say is…
Serves ya right dumba$$!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:21 pmhello ms. Harman…..would you ever consider running for ms. teen south carolina?
April 21st, 2009 at 5:21 pmI’ve been hit hard before, (fist, open hand, brick, bullet, shrapnel) but that shit she got hit with has got to hurt, I think its gonna leave a mark.
RIP
April 21st, 2009 at 5:22 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
It is really hard to feel sorry for someone trying to claim victim status when they get caught in their own plot.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:23 pmHARMAN: I’m just very disappointed that my country — I’m an American citizen just like you are — could have permitted what I think is a gross abuse of power in recent years. I’m one member of Congress who may be caught up in it, but I have a bully pulpit and I can fight back. I’m thinking about others who have no bully pulpit and may not be aware, as I was not, that right now somewhere, someone’s listening in on their conversations, and they’re innocent Americans.
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Golly gee, Jane…maybe if you had taken a moment to actually think about all those anonymous people whom you’re so eager to stand up for now before you voted in favor of wireless wiretapping, this wouldn’t have happened to you! You chose to put your own interests above those of the American people as a whole — and as such decisions often do, it came back to bite you in the backside. You brought at least some of this on yourself — so don’t expect much sympathy, because you don’t deserve it.
This is just one of the myriad examples of why not doing to other people what you wouldn’t want done to you is such an important ethical principle and why so many people throughout the ages have advocated it — because if you’re willing to do it (or let it be done) to someone else, someday someone might just decide to do it (or let it be done) to you.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:26 pmSeems all too much like a class-based argument to me. She seemed to think that it was ok for warrantless wretapping when it was done to others, but once it gets done to people like her, well then, it’s an outrage!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:29 pmShe went Blago to “bring it on”…That’s ASKING for it. She was blackmailed
April 21st, 2009 at 5:29 pmFirst off, I’m glad President Obama voted for the revised FISA bill. I believe his leadership is tremendously pragmatic. He appeals to republicans, independents, democrats. I suggest more people on this blog get behind him 100% like I do. No more complaints about these important intelligence-gathering programs – because they are reformed and that is the end of it!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:29 pmThere is a reason why the US has survived. The rights guaranteed in the Constitution protect every citizen from the abuses all too easily claimed by the power hungry. The reason we have the checks and balances system is to prevent any one group from gathering more power and control than is appropriate. Each answers to the others.
middleline, they aren’t reformed, they are illegal. They are in direct violation of the Constitution. Just as torture is flat out illegal by both US and international law.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:35 pmmiddleline Says:
First off, I’m glad President Obama voted for the revised FISA bill. I believe his leadership is tremendously pragmatic. He appeals to republicans, independents, democrats. I suggest more people on this blog get behind him 100% like I do. No more complaints about these important intelligence-gathering programs – because they are reformed and that is the end of it!
Uhh, middleline, a small but important point; all these programs have NOT been reformed and we still have people that have broken the law and need to be brought to justice.
To just say “well, all that BushCo stuff is behind us, let’s move on” will do more damage to this country in the next 50 years than what they did in their 8 year reign of terror.
America is better than that, at least I am hoping that is the case.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:36 pmWho’s running for office in 2010 — if we survive that long???
This is just another example of why every single republican currently serving in Congress and more than 75% of the Dem’s in Congress need to be replaced.
Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, and the dim-wit down in Florida who’s trying to beg some sympathy for her cancer all need to go.
Feingold from Wisconsin and Kucinich from Ohio are exceptional of leadership we need.
Woolsey, my Congresswoman from California, votes the way I like, but she’s been pretty ineffective at holding back the tide of $hit that’s swamping the nation.
The best thing that could happen would be to have nearly every Democrat defeated in a Democratic primary so we could clean the People’s House and start tossing the war criminals to the Hague.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:36 pmWith an eye on accountability and punishment in retribution for past crimes committed, we ARE the new Democratic Party who will restore Constitutional government for the People!
I’m working on a new Democratic slogan to describe the Party Platform for 2010. It’s a little wordy, but I’m still working on it.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pm“Harman: ‘I’m Just Very Disappointed’ NSA Wiretapped Me, After I Voted To Allow Them To”
Please… Cry me a river… Ya didn’t think that the Bush/Cheney NSA woud spy on you, Jane, eh? Too little too late to change your vote on the NSA spying.
And I agree with Robert M: Drain the swamp and get rid of the garbage lawmakers.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pmThe one thing that depresses me about elected officials in recent years: very, very few THINK about the long-term ramifications of their votes. What in the world did Rep. Harman think would happen if she voted for this NSA program? Especially giving the Bush-Cheney administration carte blanche to tape anyone? Well, unfortunately, she now knows — to her great chagrin.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pmGirlfriend got played by the Republicans. She played the game and lost. Many others were spied on as well and they know who they are because the White House black mailed them for votes. Pelosi is so nevious she drinking to much. Feinstein is scared the GOP will release the fact she has been getting millions of dollars in contracts for her husband. Jane thought if she gave the vote she would get the job it didn’t happen and the GOP is still laughing at how stupid she was.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:44 pmJust for sh*ts and giggles, lets abolish elections for Congress. Make it a lottery drawing on the pool of registered voters. Of course you would have to banish lobbyists, PACs and other special interest groups. The only people who have access to members of Congress would be individual voters from the home district.
They couldn’t screw things up any more than they are now.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:46 pmdrain the swamp completely. start over and change the consitution to term limits and much more.
the republic is gone until the swamp is drained.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pmAm I the only one confused by this comment —
“I’m just very disappointed that my country — I’m an American citizen just like you are…”
Why does she need to explain that she is an American citizen?
Don’t get me wrong, the blatant irony is hilarious. I was just confused why she would say that, like that.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:48 pmTerm limits Now!!!
And I hate to say this but if you have dual citizenship you can NOT serve in the U.S. Government.
RIP
April 21st, 2009 at 5:52 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Well, Jane, what goes around, comes around!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pmWell, of course they weren’t going to just wiretap teh ‘brown people’!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:01 pmBupid Stitch! It is delicious that they caught you with your arm into the cookie jar up to the elbow in delicious Nestle’s crumbs, though, isn’t it?!
And just WHAT THE HELL has this government become?
I expect at any moment to see Supreme Chancellor Palpatine standing up and disbanding the Senate as he announces the creation of the First Galactic Empire!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pmTired Of Fighting Says:
Term limits Now!!!
And I hate to say this but if you have dual citizenship you can NOT serve in the U.S. Government.
You would think so, wouldn’t you?
Term limits? I agree but the real damage to our Congress is the accessibility of PACs, lobbyists and special interests. They buy influence and until they are banished, our Congress will be bought and paid for, not elected.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pmGeorge Bush started illegally spying on American in February 2001 which was when they first approached Qwest:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/business/14qwest.html
All the Congress Critters were being spied on and blackmailed of course.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:08 pmIf the Congress Critters want to make it up to us, all they have to do is start REAL INVESTIGATIONS into the Bush Regime. We would love it.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:10 pmThis is why we need to vote out the Blue Dog Democrats. They are merely Republicans in sheep’s clothing.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pmIt’s called KARMA BEEYOTCH!
Fu(king Israeli saboteur.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:18 pmIf they want to make it up to us, they should cop to their dirty $hit, that way no one can use it against them…
April 21st, 2009 at 6:20 pmThe politicians in this country are quite possibly some of the stupidest people on the face of the Earth. And also selfish and self serving and arrogant and corrupt…
April 21st, 2009 at 6:23 pmI think that the government should focus less on spying on itself and more on really important issues like sever global poverty. The U.S. should be doing way more to address the Millennium Development Goals. The plan to end world hunger has been getting seriously ignored.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget.
(source: borgenproject.org.)
April 21st, 2009 at 6:28 pmlefty Says:
2009: The Year Everyone Gets What They F@#%ing Deserve
LOLOL! Damn, I love that!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pmWhat the Fcuk did you think they were going to do????
You could have just logged in here at TP and you would have seen hundreds of posts about what they would use it for…
….spying on members of congress
….spying on reporters
….spying on opposition
….spying on critics
Cripes you people are idiots in congress.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pmEvery congressperson should have their activities monitored 24/7. Every phone conversation, every meeting, when they go pee pee… Everything.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pmHarman is careening into Blago territory here
But they both have great hair.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:00 pmQuery whether she still thinks that NSA spying is a good thing.
Query whether she would still vote for it again…
(Query whether her political career is over.)
I often wondered why Pelosi and she did not get along. Perhaps Pelosi could tell that Harman was a sleazy opportunist….
April 21st, 2009 at 7:08 pmHarmen claimed she was briefed and knew what was going on. I have absolutely no sympathy for this “representative”. She apparently didn’t care who’s privacy was being violated until it was hers! She’ violated the very oath she took when she voted to essentially repeal the 4th Amendment to The Constitution of the United States and should at the very least lose her job next election unless the people she doesn’t “represent” recall her treasonous a..!
April 21st, 2009 at 7:23 pmI gotta tell you I’m pretty disappointed too.Disappointed that Congress could be so spineless and stupid to think this wouldn’t happen.And I have to honestly say I don’t see much improvement over the last congress.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:37 pmHarman is a fool caught in her own net. Can anyone say bribery!
April 21st, 2009 at 7:39 pmJust remember who this woman is; she provided the one vote Bush needed to be able to find out what books you take out at your local library. She’s totally vile and insidious. And she just said that AIPAC didn’t have to make a quid pro quo deal with her since she’s always done their bidding. And she’s my congresswoman!!
April 21st, 2009 at 7:57 pmAIPAC is the root of all American evil.
Jane Harmon/Wolf Blitzer are AIPAC #1 Cheerleaders.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:07 pmDid I hear this right?
Harman’s phone was tapped under a duly issued court order, not under the wireless wiretapping she authorized.
During their investigation, the people doing the wiretapping taped a sitting member of Congress speaking with a lobbying organization (AIPAC) who represents a foreign government (Israel) in which she offers assurances that she will back legislation that directly benefits a foreign nation (Israel). Harman also receives assurances from the lobbyists that they will work to further her political career.
Doesn’t that constitute bribery, and seeing how she agreeing to further the agenda of a foreign power, treason?
And that’s what was uncovered in a legal investigation. I wonder what kind of dirt the bush regime traitors uncovered with the illegal investigations?
April 21st, 2009 at 8:09 pmWhat goes around, comes around.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:09 pmOf course she wouldn’t think they’d do it to her! She’s a politician! She’s a congress person! She’s not one of the great unwashed regular folks who need to be watched or they might revolt or something! Tough isn’t it to have your nose shoved into Bush’s doo doo.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:16 pm“abba-deeyaba-deeyaba-deeyaba-deeyaba-
That’s all folks!!!!“
April 21st, 2009 at 8:33 pmShe screwed up and now she is crying. She violated the Constitution as they all did, when she voted the way she did.
Now they are all worried about what might have been overheard. Most of us have been saying for years, that there was spying on the congress. No surprise here. If you can do one, you can do the other. We live in a country were nothing is sacrosanct anymore.
Out of both houses and both party’s there are not more then ten collectively that are worth spit. Feinstein is called the Lieberman of the dems. She rarely found a Bush bill she did not vote for. They stink. And people keep re-electing them. Why? Because they don’t read up on their officials. It is too much trouble to go online and see how they voted on the issues. We elect on promises, not kept. We elect on sound bites.
The system is corrupt. They do not work for us. They work for the lobbyists and corporations. And mostly, they work for themselves always.
April 21st, 2009 at 9:54 pmSorry for the bad karma, Jane. Enjoy your last term in the House.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pmKarma is a…
April 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pmI’m ashamed to have the same first name. :(
I don’t give a damn if she’s labelled with a (D), she’s a DINO just like Lieberman.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:18 pmWe are willing to purge our own lawbreakers. That’s what sets us apart from the scum/Republicans.
April 21st, 2009 at 11:03 pmJane Harman should remember this episode as a crucial lesson in life and policy before she thinks about approving any form of torture. What goes around comes around Jane. For the rest of us this just re-affirms what we already knew.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 amShe deserves whatever she gets. What an idiot!
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 amI cant believe the wwwwaaaahhhhh coming from this woman. She advocated warrantless wiretapping and then whines about offical abuse for a court ordered wiretapping that seemed to catch her red handed? Why wasnt she prosecuted?
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 am.
How upset the farmer is, to know that eggs break when you drop them…
… However, I no longer feel compassion for that farmer when he fails to protect his clutch of eggs and throws them to the ground. “Of course they’ll break, idiot!”
.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 am.
Jane Harmin’ America!
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April 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 am.
Of course it’s swearing or affirming to, “support and D-E-F-E-N-D the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter,” when one votes to usurp the Fourth Amendment Rights of the citizens one is elected from to Represent…
… Is it?
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April 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 amJane @78,
We know the difference. You’re no Harmin’ to anyone.
… The “other” one, is.
:)
What gets me is how and why is it…
… That those that pose the greater Harmin’ toward America get re-elected.
Any idea on that one?
.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 amEugene @82,
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 am… Because the House Madame took accountability off the table.
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lefty @29,
I’d recommend ten more times, but I’m not allowed.
My sentiments and hopes, exactly.
.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Why wasnt she prosecuted?
Why, Gonzales halted the investigation in return for her warrantless-wiretapping vote, natch.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 amElBruce Says:
Oh thats right. Hey wouldnt THAT make Gonzales guilty of either bribery or blackmail?
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:48 am.
O.K.
I’ll over look the fact that she voted to usurp our Fourth Amendment “Rights” for the moment, because…
… What does it mean when one conspires with a Foreign Nation to obstruct Justice in your own country?
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April 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 amPlease tell me Harman is not as dumb as Michelle Bachman?
“They said spying was going to be for terrorists and I thought well they may spy on other less influencaial peons. But never did I think they would spy on me? I voted for it and I was one of them on that. It is just not fair……!
Well she might as well of said this…..
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 amIs this the same Jane Harman whose law firm sought to stop congressional sanctions against a client that sold components for a poison gas plant in Libya? The one who went to bat for the Chinese when they were caught passing nuclear technology to Pakistan? Anything for a buck, I guess. So I’m not particularly shocked she’s still influence peddling.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 amJane Harman is a ‘Joe Lieberman’ in a skirt.
How did the Democratic Party get stuck with so many backstabbing ‘Joe Liebermans’?
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 amIs Jane Harman in training to become a Republican?
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 amhttp://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-dans-big-news-april-21-2009.html
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Hey wouldnt THAT make Gonzales guilty of either bribery or blackmail?
That would be blackmail, yep.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmLegalizing wiretapping – how fascist is that?
Do Americans like thier Fascist Police State?
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm