Iraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death.
Iraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death.
Relying on an International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission translation of a recent Al Arabiya story, the blog Towleroad reports that Iraqi militias have been engaging in some particularly brutal tactics toward gay men in Iraq:
“A prominent Iraqi human rights activist says that Iraqi militia have deployed a painful form of torture against homosexuals by closing their anuses using ‘Iranian gum.’ …Yina Mohammad told Alarabiya.net that, ‘Iraqi militias have deployed an unprecedented form of torture against homosexuals by using a very strong glue that will close their anus.’ According to her, the new substance ‘is known as the American hum, which is an Iranian-manufactured glue that if applied to the skin, sticks to it and can only be removed by surgery. After they glue the anuses of homosexuals, they give them a drink that causes diarrhea. Since the anus is closed, the diarrhea causes death. Videos of this form of torture are being distributed on mobile cellphones in Iraq.’”
The Iraqi defense ministry reported earlier this month that six gay men were shot dead in a Shia-controlled part of Baghadad. “Two of the bodies, found on Thursday, had pieces of paper attached on which was written the word ‘Pervert.’” According to the source in the Al Arabiya article, “for the past 3 weeks a crackdown on homosexuals has been going on based on a religious decree that demands their death; dozens have been targeted.” The persecution “is not confined to the Shiite clerics,” the source said. “Some Sunni leaders have also declared the death penalty for sodomy on satellite channels.”
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My fears have it that we’ve ‘Americanized’ Iraq more than the homeland itself.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pmOMG! Is this the ‘Freedom’ we wanted for the Iraqis? I don’t know what to say. I’m flabbergasted.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pmI wonder when Swede will be around to tell us this we must also torture people in this manner.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pmThat’s the most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pmWell, Republicans did say they wanted to instill their values in Iraq.
Right wingers only wish they could get away with doing that in this country.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pmIraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death.
– - John Yoo gasps, “Damn, why didn’t I think of that?!”
April 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pmThis is just going to give the GOP ideas…
April 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pmWHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???
April 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmHAIL DER SHRUBERER, THE GREAT LIBERATOR.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmThis is sick and it is twisted. Did the militias get the idea from the so-called religious right? This is unbelievable.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmI’m with Brian Crooks. That’s one of the most horrible and disturbing human cruelties that I’ve heard about — at least in modern times.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmI don’t know if it’s responsible to publish news like this — there are probably far too many homophobes here in this country who will want to do this.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmIranian glue…the chickenwarhawks will be telling us that we must go to war with Iran, spend billions more on defense contracts, because of super-hum-glue.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pmAs disturbed as I am with the details of this torture technique, I’m almost as disturbed at the idea of Iraqis willingly watching videos of this on their cell phones. Who would get their jollies from something like this? I know, I know — best not to ask…
April 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pmISN’T SPREADING DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD A BEAUTIFUL THING?
FEEL THE LOVE.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pmThis story is making James Dobson’s mouth water.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmThis story is making James Dobson’s mouth water.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmBut you see, these militias got a ruling from their lawyers that it is OK, so it is OK, capiche?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmIf americans did this, the GOP would defend it. ” it’s not torture, we were just trying to clog their insides so they wouldnt diarreah! “
April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmWe’ve been there for the last 5-6 years and this is still happening? Sorry nothing is going to change over there. Bring home our troops and stop spending money on a lost cause.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmWell, that happened yesterday so can’t we just look forward and forget about the past?
Of course, in the past, it has been noted that the biggest homophobes are actually…well…wannabes.
What to do about this horror? How to stop this? Especially when it is rooted in the steaming pile of myth called “religion” as the cover for these hideous acts of evil.
“Adams HE; Wright LW Jr; Lohr BA. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? J Abnorm Psychol 1996 Aug;105(3):440(c)445.
Department of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602(c)3013, USA.
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pmI think you are wrong.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pmQuick, grab our moral authority! Let’s get on our high horse and… where’d that moral authority go? I remember we left it around here somewhere…
April 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pmWhy isn’t this on MSM? Is it because the American public would be outraged? I find it depressing that only people with internet access can get this information. And just think how many Americans rely on Faux News and CNN(Faux News Lite) for their information. Disturbing..
April 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pmYou may want to have the guys gluing the anuses glue their own when they’re through because they’re gay!
April 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pmAnd they call gay people perverts?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmYet another in the ever-growing list of reasons to hate religion and the mental illness it becomes.
Holy. Rollers. Suck.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmOkay, I am really feeling conflicted about this story.
On the one hand, I am appalled at the idea of Iraqis torturing gay men in this way.
On the other hand, I am intrigued with the idea of trying this out on Limpballs, Darth Cheney and Little Seanie Vanity.
Talk about moral dilemmas . . .
April 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmSo, this is the freedom that we’ve brought to Iraq?
wonderful
April 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pmAre those the same militias General Dave has been bribing with our money???
April 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pmOh my Lord. This is awful.
Rush Limbaugh must love it.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pmWhere’s Daryll? I thought he’d be here volunteering for the anus-gluing detail.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pmThis is one of the most disturbing and shocking things I have read about in quite a while. WTF is wrong with people?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pmanyone here “defend” any Iraqi militias lately??
i know i haven’t.
but i do know centcom has been paying them blood money, and that those bribes are the only “success” of the so-called “surge” righties like to crow about.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pmAnd just think how many Americans rely on Faux News and CNN(Faux News Lite) for their information. Disturbing..
KILL YOUR FCUKING TV NOW
April 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pmThis is just sick…
…I’m sure we have lots of conservative who will approve of this and actually think it’s funny…sick fcuks.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmFor those still trotting out America’s “success”, “liberation”, “newfound freedom” and “removal of a tyrant” in Iraq, please understand that you’ve sent this great nation and the people of Iraq into purgatory.
Liberty and freedom are very dangerous concepts when placed in the hands of republicans.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmhp Says:
you loons have blamed cheney
There’s a distinct line between actual culpabitily and assigning blame, same as the line between objectivity and subjectivity.
This is truly one of the most appalling things I’ve heard of in recent years – what frightens me more are the atrocities not yet revealed.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmhp – who do you think you’re going to shame with that derelict cognition of yours??
you should look for a more fact-impaired audience.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmThere is no uniqueness of this type of persecution to the Iraqis. It goes on it Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is characteristic of a Muslim society.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmIsn’t it wonderful missmolly? The freepers insist that a decent standard of living hinges on having a cell phone, and that comes before food, clean water, shelter, education, employment.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmhp is an ignorant coward and he is just fine with this act because it is one of the things preventing him from giving in to his homosexuality
right wing homophobes are just afraid of admitting they are gay
April 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmFreedom from religious dogma…it’s time.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmhp Says:
Iraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death.
the same iraqis you have been defending for 8 yrs? shocker!
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You progressively get stupider by the post. I cant believe what an ignorant weasel you are. Did you think the entire country was made up of the clone of one person? That if a few people do an evil thing it is a reflection of the entire population? Do you have any idea what a moron you are?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmBut it kind of puts aside the myth that we’ve “liberated” the people of Iraq with all of our manpower & money, doesn’t it 10hrday, when its people are subjected to this innovation of inhumane treatment perhaps now more than ever before?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmhp Says:
upon reading the rest of the thread i see you loons have blamed cheney for this….lol!
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Having read many of your posts I am convinced that you are a complete imbecile
April 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pmhp is apparently off searching for the videos and some lube
April 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm10hourday Says: 43
You are a bigot. Your ignorance is appalling
April 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pmthanks 10hour – you’re the very model of a modern dittohead -
all slur, no subtlty – just rank oversimplification and incoherence.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pmhey dummy – these militias are getting handed our money by the wiz-kids at centcom you love so much.
it’s your surge, buddy – not ours.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm10hour is just another bigoted coward
too much of a wimp to admit to his own homosexual desires
April 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm10hourday Says: 52
I think you should aim for one day having the decency and self respect to be embarassed by your stupidity and bigotry
April 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pmI’m shocked that so many of you seem shocked.
The same sentiment exists here. If the (extreme) Right ever manages to establish it’s theocratic paradise, this would be our reality too.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs
If all the horrors I’ve read about in the past ten years are false then, yes, I’m ignorant. But I don’t believe so as they’ve been reported in every major news organization. It’s been an endless stream of stories on beheadings, honor killings, faces burned with acid.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pmHasn’t Rush declared this to be just some frat boy prank yet?
April 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pm10hourday Says:
There is no uniqueness of this type of persecution to the Iraqis. It goes on it Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is characteristic of a Muslim society.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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How many anuses get glued shut in Turkey?
How about Azerbaijan?
Mali?
Tunisia?
Lebanon?
This is not characteristic of “Muslim society.” It is characteristic of right-wing ideology.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pmThis is the inevitable result of letting people who believe in magic and fantasy have power over others.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:49 pmIraq is only following the Bush/Cheney policy. Look how hate flows here in the US. Remember the interviews with all those Christian rights groups teaching in Iraq about how bad being gay is. Reading some of Bush memos and the stuff they did I would say the Iraq soldiers learned well. No need for the US to cry Democracy, Freedom or Human Rights at this point as we kidnap and torture children. Iraq only needs to read the headlines of the American News to hear the horror we do to gays in America. It’s that mirror we choose not to look in.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:52 pmSeven Muslim countries currently carry the death penalty for Homosexuality. Therefore I would argue that it is somewhat a characteristic of Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam
April 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmAt least when Dick Cheney gets a hold of this video he will be too “pre-occupied” to make so many tv appearences. Those CIA torture tapes just haven’t been doing it for him as much anymore and he’s been hoping for something new to stir that black metal heart of his. HAPPY EARLY FATHER’S DAY DICK!
sidenote to Jeff Gannon: maybe stay away from Dick’s place for awhile
April 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmTroll hp, the tough part is figuring out what not to blame Cheney for, since his arrival in Washington in the late ’60s.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pmI sure wish Bush found that magic wand, so President Obama could be spared the indictment from our resident troll, ConservativeForRegress.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pmhp Says:
how bout ‘global warming?’
Cheney’s an oil man. Nice try, though.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pmchiroptera toasterhead
“A NEW York man who established a TV station in the hope of portraying Muslims in a more positive light, is today in prison after police found the headless body of his recently divorced wife.” Beheaded. Pick a country. Do some searches.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pm.
The Bush Freedumb agenda…
… Mission accomplished!
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April 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmJames Dobson would be proud.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pm#66 – hp Says:
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” ‘It is characteristic of a Muslim society.’
of course it is.”
April 21st, 2009 at 12:55 pm
That would be like saying “beating up a gay guy and leaving him to die in the winter of Colorado is characteristic of an American society”.
This is indicative of an extreme fundamentalist religious society. Don’t forget that Christianity and the Bible was used to support a segregated society not too long ago. Things have changed since that time, and things are changing in the Muslim world, but very slowly.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm10hourday Says:
Yeah you are ignorant. Lots of horror stories. These things were NOT happening for instance in Iraq BEFORE the invasion. Nor have I ever heard of them happening in Indonesia the most populace Muslim country in the world. Honor killings are not part of mainstream Muslim teaching nor are the exclusive to Muslims a famous honor killing was done in Canada by a Sikh family. You are a bigot. You just hate Islam and it brings out the stupid in you. I know some Muslims who are among the nicest most God loving people I have ever met. These things no more represent Islam than the Inquisitions or Jim Jones represent Christianity
April 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
How can Obama allow this to happen under his watch?
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How can YOu be such a moronic worthless punkass troll? I guess having no self respect is the key
April 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmhp Says:
It is characteristic of a Muslim society.
of course it is.
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Of course it isnt then again you dont care what is true you just care how to be a liar a fool and an ignorant troll
April 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pmI can’t believe such sick, sadistic people exist. How could anyone do that to another person? Even if you’re crazy and think that gays are “less than human” I cannot even fathom a person being able to do that to an animal.
After the torture memos and now this, I’m beginning to think that there is something terribly wrong with human race as a whole. If there is a God, maybe it’s time for another flood. Just wipe us all out and start over again!
April 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs
Why do you accuse someone of hate when they point out a fact? Do you watch the news and read the newspapers? Islam has a major problem in that it generates radical hatred and produces brutal violence against individuals who disagree with its teachings. Of course it is not all Muslims that join in its radicalism. But it is Islam today that is producing this violence. It is not Hinduism, Christianity or Taoism. This fact is understood by progressive Muslims. Turkey for instance is struggling with the issue as we speak. It is the uneducated and closed minded such as yourself that are preventing Islam from purging its violent teachings. Educate yourself and you will stop your ignorant, simplistic labeling of anyone who disagrees with your misguided beliefs.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Obama should be doing something to put an end to this human rights abuse, happening under his watch.
Certainly, this account should make it to his administration, be thoroughly vetted and action taken swiftly. The difference between you and me is that my concern is real and your fake concern began Jan. 20th. You don’t give a damn about any of those detainees. You’re just one of the republican party mooching for power.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm10hourday Says: #52
April 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pmFLAGGED
10hourday Says:
“A NEW York man who established a TV station in the hope of portraying Muslims in a more positive light, is today in prison after police found the headless body of his recently divorced wife.” Beheaded. Pick a country. Do some searches.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
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Ok, let’s see. I pick the United States of America. Let’s see what comes up:
Former coach pleads guilty to ex-wife’s murder before trial
Andrew Cooper, 46, the former boys basketball coach at Northwest High, charged with the murder of his ex-wife Pamela Cooper pleaded guilty to her murder
Knoxville News Sentinel – ?Apr 20, 2009?
Marshall County Man Suspected Of Killing Ex-Wife To Be Extradited
A Kyle man was arrested at his home there Friday evening after San Antonio police say he brutally stabbed his ex-wife and ran over her lover in the parking
WTOV9.com – ?41 minutes ago?
Kyle man charged with brutal San Antonio murder
A Kyle man was arrested at his home there Friday evening after San Antonio police say he brutally stabbed his ex-wife and ran over her lover in the parking
The San Marcos Mercury – ?20 hours ago?
Man shoots ex-wife
Clanton Advertiser – ?15 hours ago?
Clackler is currently being held at the Chilton County Jail without bond and is being charged with attempted murder and shooting into an occupied dwelling…
Roselle man convicted of killing ex-wife
The Star-Ledger – NJ.com – ?Apr 17, 2009?
After a five-week trial and less than a day of deliberations, a Union County jury found him guilty on Thursday of first-degree murder and weapons offenses
Cold Case Murder Arrest
WKRG-TV – ?Apr 16, 2009?
Deputies say 39-year old Todd Ball of Lynn Haven killed his ex-wife in 1999. Laurie Kimberlyn Clements Ball, known as “Kim”, disappeared June 10
Woman in her 70s killed in Pasadena, ex arrested
KTVN – ?Apr 2, 2009?
Taylor says the man “indicated that he had just killed his ex-wife.” Taylor says investigators believe the man used his bare hands to kill the woman. …
But hey, you’re right. A guy killing his ex-wife is totally a Muslim thing. No Christian man would ever do that.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pmThat good Christian Adolph Hitler and his underlings committed comparable acts. If we’re passing judgment on all Muslims then we have to pass judgment on all Christians.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:29 pmDoodlebug Shayne
Adolf Hitler denounced Christianity and he was gay.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmtoasterhead, you forgot Scott Peterson killing his wife and his unborn child and throwing them in the lake.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmSo you’re saying all homophobes are inherently gay?
April 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pmI think this type of brutality was going on long before the ears in Iraq and Afghanistan and I am sure it will continue for some time to come.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
that would be “wars” not “ears” in …..
April 21st, 2009 at 1:34 pmAs long as they’re being Socialists!
April 21st, 2009 at 1:35 pm10hourday Says:
It is the uneducated and closed minded such as yourself that are preventing Islam from purging its violent teachings. Educate yourself and you will stop your ignorant, simplistic labeling of anyone who disagrees with your misguided beliefs.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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Wrong. It is uneducated and close minds such as yours that help perpetuate the radical form of Islam. By painting the discussion as good/Western/Christian modernity against evil/Arab/Muslim backwardness, you make it easier for the jihadi leaders to recruit impressionable young minds to fight in this bullshit “culture war.” You allow them to continue to say “the West is at war with Islam.”
That’s what we’re trying to stop.
We are not denying that there are not some extremely conservative voices in the Muslim faith who do preach intolerance and violence. We just see little difference between them and the televangelists or the ultra-orthodox Jews preaching the same intolerance and violence to their followers. It’s the same kind of intolerance and violence you could also find in ultra-left-wing or ultra-right-wing secular groups.
Religion has little to do with it.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pmchiroptera toasterhead
Your limited intelligence prevents you from recognizing the truth. So sad. It’s clear you’ll pull out any deceit of the facts in order to avoid a criticism of your beliefs. You are a weak and sorry individual.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pmto say that this is a characteristic of islam would be a falsity. Christians have performed this style of punishment throughout history. Religion has always been an excuse for sickphucks. Simply put sickphucks are to blame for this and nothing else. Humans are violent by nature.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
You are a liar and a punk go sit in the corner and STFU troll
April 21st, 2009 at 1:40 pmIraq is a lawless hellhole.
Our stupid trolls would love to act on their violent anti-gay fantasies, but because there are severe legal reprisals here, they crack endless Barney Frank jokes instead.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pmchiroptera toasterhead
“We just see little difference between them and the televangelists or the ultra-orthodox Jews preaching the same intolerance and violence to their followers”
This kind of comparison shows just how deranged and corrupted your thinking and morality is. How many people have been beheaded by televangelist inspired right-wing thinking in the past ten years? You are a sad, defective loser which is probably why you are a believer. You should get out of religion altogether.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pmLet’s not forget all those Christian lynchings of black men in the South.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pm10hourday Says:
Because it is NOT a fact it is your bigotry. Yeah there are extremist Muslims that act horribly and you want to blame the entire religion. This is NOT about Muslim societies and only an ignorant bigot would claim it was because of the newstories. Do you know what was happening in the 70’s and 80s in Central America? Horror stories that would make your skin crawl was THAT because of Catholicism? That part of the world is in political turmoil the crazies get magnified when that happens. YOU want to blame Islam out of bigotry it is NOT a fact because you WANT it to be. Yeah I read. I read a lot. I have a Koran and it condones NONE of these things. You hate because you WANT to. Was Christianity to blame for the BTK torture killer who was a leader of his church? I read about that too. Stop blaming the message for a number of murderous messengers.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pmI seriously hope that this isnt true, unfortunatly it probably is. Theres also the mid east country`s that mutilate young girls vaginas so they dont feel any sexual pleasure. This is done because of their religious beliefs. Money and religion are the root of all evil.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm10hourday Says:
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chiroptera toasterhead
“We just see little difference between them and the televangelists or the ultra-orthodox Jews preaching the same intolerance and violence to their followers”
This kind of comparison shows just how deranged and corrupted your thinking and morality is. How many people have been beheaded by televangelist inspired right-wing thinking in the past ten years? You are a sad, defective loser which is probably why you are a believer. You should get out of religion altogether.
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So beheadings are the only kind of murder that counts? You are a bigoted moron. Stop pretending you represent Christianity as you are an embarassment to good Christians everywhere
April 21st, 2009 at 1:49 pmThere was a “joke” about Barney Frank and backdoor[hahahahahahaha--sooo clever!] investigations on this thread. I think it was #52 and it was flagged and removed.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:51 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs
“Stop blaming the message for a number of murderous messengers.”
It is not just “a number of murderous” killings. It is widespread; today. Not 20 years ago. And you are making false comparisons. Do you realize just what kind of a liar you are? Is this a hallmark of your faith? Maybe it is. It sure seems to be evident in many of your posts. You are the person filled with hate. How long before you strap the explosives to your chest?
April 21st, 2009 at 1:52 pmHey masterbating10hourday,
Here’s a “beheading” and dismemberment closer to my hometown.
Nope. Not Muslim.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pmBecause it is NOT a fact it is your bigotry. Yeah there are extremist gun owners that act horribly and you want to blame all gun owners. This is NOT about gun loving societies and only an ignorant liberal would claim it was because of the newstories. Do you know what was happening in the 70’s and 80s in Abortion Clinics? Horror stories that would make your skin crawl was THAT because of Liberalism? That part of the world is in political turmoil the crazies get magnified when that happens. YOU want to blame Guns out of bigotry it is NOT a fact because you WANT it to be. Yeah I read. I read a lot. I have a American Buffalo and it condones NONE of these things. You hate because you WANT to. Was Peta to blame for the bomber Coronado who was a leader of ALF? I read about that too. Stop blaming the message for a number of murderous messengers.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pmRighties and lefties just change a few words and you can not tell the difference. Again extremism in any form is unacceptable. we need more moderates in this world
April 21st, 2009 at 2:01 pmrepublicans hate facts Says
What sort of a half-wit idiot are you to take a criticism of religiously motivated killings to a statement that someone “likes” the killing of abortion doctors? I’m not a pro-lifer. What are you? A dunce no doubt. Did you sit in the corner with the hat in third grade? Did you graduate third grade?
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kpaul Says:
This is just going to give the GOP ideas…
April 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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If you oppose gay marriage, you must believe in torturing gays? If that’s a valid assumption, then it must be valid to assume that all gays advocate inappropriate relationships between adults and children, since some of them do.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm10hourday Says
April 21st, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Do you realize just what kind of a liar you are? Is this a hallmark of your faith? Maybe it is. It sure seems to be evident in many of your posts. You are the person filled with hate. How long before you strap the explosives to your chest?
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So sad to see the trolls drinking this early in the day…
April 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pmheres a link for you to look at, the countries with the highest murder rates have stringent gun control laws. so i must disagree with you on that one.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331029/posts
April 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pmrepublicans hate facts
Getting a little bit upset there? Are you ok now? Take a deep breath and say to yourself: “I’m really an out-of-touch-with-reality idiot.” I bet you had difficulty with general math.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:07 pm10hourday Says:
I am not a liar. You are just too stupid to understand, well, pretty much anything. There are more than ONE BILLION Muslims in the world if the problem was Islam, if a sizable percentage of those following the religion did these things there would be MILLIONS of such murders per month not a dozen or so. You are making excuses for your hate, bigotry and basic stupidity. Face facts you ARE a moron.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:08 pmsscncturn64 Says:
I seriously hope that this isnt true, unfortunatly it probably is. Theres also the mid east country`s that mutilate young girls vaginas so they dont feel any sexual pleasure. This is done because of their religious beliefs. Money and religion are the root of all evil.
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Actually that is NOT a middle eastern thing it is an African thing. It is also not a MUSLIM thing it takes place in African villages that are NOT Muslim and in Egypt and predates Islam as do honor killings. It is a horrific thing and one that I would like to see addressed more vigorously.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmThe former Soviet state of Lithuania is now an independent democratic country. But it still retains some vestiges of Stalinism. Lithuania’s citizens must obtain a police permit to buy a gun. All guns are registered with the government. Somehow these restrictions are not deterring the criminal element; Lithuania has an unenviable murder rate of 11.7.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmrepublicans hate facts
But you’ve shown it to be an idiot’s blog.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmOkay, so does 10hourdaymasturbating support such torture since it’s done by a supposed “radical” religion?
April 21st, 2009 at 2:12 pmOr, is it arguing that this is a result of said “radical” religion?
Proud American Says:
WOW. I am impressed with the stupidity of that post. Have you ever seen me blame guns owners for increased violence in society? Even if I did you kill WITH guns not because of them. Your moronity knows no bounds. Your attack on liberals was almost as stupid as you are. If you EVER find a cogent argument get back to us. Until then stop embarassing yourself.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pmProud American Says:
Righties and lefties just change a few words and you can not tell the difference. Again extremism in any form is unacceptable. we need more moderates in this world
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No stupid people like YOU change words at random and are ignorant enough to THINK, and I use that term in its broadest possible form, that you have a point. What we need is less stupid brainwashed morons in the world
April 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pm10hourday Says:
“A NEW York man who established a TV station in the hope of portraying Muslims in a more positive light, is today in prison after police found the headless body of his recently divorced wife.” Beheaded. Pick a country. Do some searches.
Shall I list all of the murders and domestic violence offenses committed by people who happen to be Christian? Jewish? Hindu? Let’s get a chart and see who wins the Special Olympics of which magical fairy tale system commits the fewest atrocities per year!
* just noticed chiroptera toasterhead did so in #82…
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10hourday Says:
Why do you accuse someone of hate when they point out a fact?
Because the fact was carefully selected to insinutate a larger point, one which amounts to bigoted slander against a major religion with millions of devout and peaceful adherents all over the world.
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10hourday Says:
But it is Islam today that is producing this violence.
Operative words being “today” and “this.” The hands of every system of belief are covered in blood, including not only all major religions but also all economic and political systems. So Islam’s in the news today. It’ll be something else soon enough. Your response seems to be playing whack-a-mole with whoever the troublemaker of the moment may be. I don’t see you complaining about the Inquisition, or abortion clinic bombings, or Oklahoma City, or the possibility of fundamentalist Christian violence being on the rise in the next decade. Oh no, you cherry-pick your targets. Which means you’re just trying to draw us into your holy war. You’re trying to get the rational people to come play your insane “let’s kill more of them because they are worse than us because they kill more people” game. We’re not biting.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pmupright left Says: 115
A reasonable point. I think Kpaul was just making a joke but your post made a good point.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pmsscncturn64 Says: Money and religion are the root of all evil.
Oh, I dunno about that. Fear, ignorance, stupidity, ethical immaturity… seem to be the roots. Religion and money just give those things means and justification to be expressed.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:18 pmSad beyond belief. Why do these supposedly “manly men” want to engage in such homoerotic sadomasochism? Seems as if they are overcompensating.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pmProud American Says:
heres a link for you to look at, the countries with the highest murder rates have stringent gun control laws.
Freeper!
I notice it picks out a small selection of specific countries. Where’s the total chart? What’s the overall correlation, as an average? What other countries have high murder rates? What’s the correlation at the low end?
Silly Freeper, stats are for libs.
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republicans hate facts Says:
upright left Says:
If you oppose gay marriage, you must believe in torturing gays? If that’s a valid assumption, then it must be valid to assume that all gays advocate inappropriate relationships between adults and children, since some of them do.
Since MOST INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIPS with CHILDREN are FROM “HETEROSEXUALS”, then are you going to SAY that SINCE MOSTLY STRAIGHT PEOPLE DO THIS that HETEROSEXUALS SHOULD BE ALL KILLED?
April 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
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Hey, hopium boy, how’s it going? Still having a little trouble staying on track, eh? That’s the false reasoning that I pointed out in this statement:
kpaul Says:
This is just going to give the GOP ideas…
April 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
It’s great to see that you disagree with kpaul, though. ;)
April 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pmrepublicans hate facts
You’re so silly in your anger. Do you understand that it makes you appear unintelligent?
April 21st, 2009 at 2:21 pmThis is absolutely horrific.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:24 pmThe trolls really seem to love the “gay” and/or “dead gay” threads.
Vicarious thrill or secret fear?
April 21st, 2009 at 2:26 pm10hourday Says:
republicans hate facts
But you’ve shown it to be an idiot’s blog.
If it’s an idiot’s blog, why are you here?
It’s not really specific to Muslim society. More like religious societies. Or is gay bashing acceptable for you? At least here there is some deterrent for killing someone because they are gay.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:34 pmEugene #125,
April 21st, 2009 at 2:34 pmThankyou for clarifying that for me. I was under the impression that it was a mid eastern practice. I agree though it should be addressed more vigorously.
10hourday Says:
republicans hate facts
You’re so silly in your anger. Do you understand that it makes you appear unintelligent?
rhf is what he is. He doesn’t really care about anybody’s assessment of his intellectual capacity he’s just here to tear your wingnut throat out.
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<emZooey Says:
The trolls really seem to love the “gay” and/or “dead gay” threads.
Vicarious thrill or secret fear?
We’ve taken the following positions away from them:
1) national security
2) fiscal responsibility
3) legal evenhandedness
4) moral high ground
They’ve got nothing left to their political party than an overriding obsession with other peoples’ buttholes, what they do with them and what happens to them. That’s it. They’re just the Anus Party now. No other topics of discussion are in the least bit relevant to their political ideology.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pmrepublicans hate facts
Yes I am outraged by it. And, rationally, I look for answers as to why anyone would do such things to another person. I look around the world, through the media of course, for other similar incidences. The only likeness I find are the hanging of gays in Iran by Iran’s Islamic government, the stoning of women in Saudi Arabia by its Islamic government, acid thrown in the face of a teenage daughter for dating a non-Muslim in Dallas, Tx and brutal beheadings in numerous Islamic countries that, unlike the United States, are intolerant of other religions. I see a pattern within an intolerant religion of brutal, religious-teachings-motivated violence. Then I see the type of anger displayed by you and posters like you directed at anyone who criticizes your beliefs and I realize that you are the evil of this world. You are the intolerant and violent. You are the one who will imprison, torture and kill those who disagree. You are a danger to a free and tolerant society. You are the seeds of another Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler.
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Zooey Says:
The trolls really seem to love the “gay” and/or “dead gay” threads.
Vicarious thrill or secret fear?
Well we basically got upright left to admit he was a closet case a few weeks back – so it’s pretty obvious they’re here out of their own self loathing.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:27 pm
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Dang, bud, it’s almost like that comment was designed to shift attention from something that you didn’t want to acknowledge. ;)
April 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pmA) Your sense of time is off. Operation Iraqi Freedom started n 2003.
B) It was told to the American people, by the Bush Admin, this was a plan to free the Iraqi people. Remember that? I know you do.
April 21st, 2009 at 2:51 pm#152 10hr!–you were so “outraged” by this incident that you took to a liberal blog and made a Barney Frank “backdoor” joke that was flagged and deleted.
Do you know your own mind, man?!
April 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pmThanks to our dear Neo-cons right-winger friends, the prosecution of gay people has gotten really worse in Iraq than it was prior to the invasion.
Here’s some reading on the subject: ”
Life for gays was better under Saddam“.
From the blog:
“… Under Saddam’s time, my brothers knew I was gay, and they were so afraid to hurt me because the law and the constitution protected me. Anyone who commits a crime under the Saddam regime was punished and jailed, especially the so-called ‘honor killing’ crimes.”
April 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pmYep the trolls love the gay thread almost as much as they love the torture threads. They need to read comment #22 by GeorgeM that talks about the erections of homophobes as opposed to others.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:08 pmspring heeled jack
Barney Frank is a big-bank, paid off criminal that should be charged with crimes against the American people for his complicity in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac scandals. There is only one reason he hasn’t been hung out to dry which has nothing to do with torturing and murdering another person.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:08 pm“Then I see the type of anger displayed by you and posters like you directed at anyone who criticizes your beliefs and I realize that you are the evil of this world. You are the intolerant and violent. You are the one who will imprison, torture and kill those who disagree. You are a danger to a free and tolerant society. You are the seeds of another Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler.”
I’m sorry what? Are you upset that we’re calling you out on your bigotry? And that’s equal to internment and the Holocaust?
Wow. Way to disrespect the dead AND be a WATB all at the same time!
April 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pm10hourday Says:
Yes I am outraged by it. And, rationally, I look for answers as to why anyone would do such things to another person. I look around the world, through the media of course, for other similar incidences. The only likeness I find are the hanging of gays in Iran by Iran’s Islamic government, the stoning of women in Saudi Arabia by its Islamic government, acid thrown in the face of a teenage daughter for dating a non-Muslim in Dallas, Tx and brutal beheadings in numerous Islamic countries that, unlike the United States, are intolerant of other religions. I see a pattern…
These are all serious problems. The best question to ask is what to do about it to reduce, and in the long term, eliminate such intolerance.
But I see a pattern too. And it’s not that they’re enforcing the wrong state-sponsored religion. The problem I see is that they have state-sponsored religion.
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10hourday Says:
Barney Frank is a big-bank, paid off criminal that should be charged with crimes against the American people for his complicity in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac scandals.
No, he’s not.
And Fannie/Freddie weren’t responsible for the mortgage collapse. The bill that he blocked was to remove their oversight from Congress and give it to a private agency. Whether or not that would have made their situation better or opened them to even more plunder, while an interesting question, is entirely beside the point. The mortgage industry collapsed because of the massive deregulation of the financial industry.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:25 pmrepublicans hate facts
“Funny how you DESCRIBE GEORGE BUSH but BLAME BARNEY FRANK!”
Where do you get this from? The only way I’ve ever described George Bush is as a stupid, power hungry buffoon. You should modify your moniker and take out the word fact. Your making up things.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:37 pm10hr, you referenced Barney Frank to make a lame “backdoor” joke on a thread about a horrific anti-gay crime.
You brought him up because he’s gay, not because of Fannie Mae et al.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:40 pmIt’s akin to making a racist joke on a lynching thread.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:42 pmElBruce
“state sponsored religion” That is the problem. They allow no freedom-of-religion nor freedom-from-religion.
you are right about the mortgage collapse being caused by bank deregulation. The point about Fanni, Freddie and Frank comes from the fact that Barney was dating and living with Herb Moses, a senior exec at Fannie when Congress, with Frank as head of the banking committee, approved rule changes that allowed Fannie and Freddie to leverage their lending to 30x and drop their lending standards. Frank should have know what the results would be: a massive taxpayer bailout of Fannie and Freddie. But, he was putting bonus dollars in his partners wallet. This is the corruption I referenced.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pmLate to the party today, but needed to comment that, thanks to BushCo, America is in no position to decry torture in any country, anywhere, at any time.
We lost whatever moral high ground this country ever had.
PEACE
April 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pmThe right loves to blame Barney Frank because their base is never going to question to attack no matter how ridiculous it is. 10hourloser even said he’d have been hung out to dry except for … ? Who knows what he’s implying.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:51 pmAnd you’re sure of all your facts because neither Rush or Fox would lie to you. Idiot.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:52 pmHey 10hour, how often does Rush or Fox talk about Gramm-Leach-Bliely?
April 21st, 2009 at 3:53 pmIf only we could bring them Democracy, all their troubles would end
April 21st, 2009 at 3:56 pmI heard somewhere that the most violent, outspoken homophobes tend to be at least partly homosexual themselves or fear their own homosexual thoughts.
So wouldn’t applicating glue to another man’s bum make the torturors just as gay? Now shouldn’t the offenders be tortured to death as well? Boy, good thing we liberated them from, well wait what was it we were trying to free them from again?
People just remember the size of our education system, and the many years we can fund/improve it on the money alone going to defense.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
If you would calm down and read what I wrote you’d understand that I agree with your statement on Bush. Are you ok? Maybe the blood pressure is really high. Take three deep breaths.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pmrepublicans hate facts
Man, you’re funny to listen to. Crazy and just so stupid. How about tomorrow you go down to Best Buy and look for a keyboard with no CAPs key? And,while you’re out find a book store and pick up a book on logical thinking. You’re really deficient in that respect. Oh and the blood pressure, do something about that.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pmIf the Christian Taliban in America had their way, homosexuality would be a death penalty offense.
Dobson et. al probably have the biggest stiffies of their entire lives reading this.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:15 pmWe need to offer gay Iraquis asylum at our embassy, NOW.
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republicans hate facts Says:
upright left Says:
Dang, bud, it’s almost like that comment was designed to shift attention from something that you didn’t want to acknowledge. ;)
PROJECT MUCH – CLOSET CASE? ;)
April 21st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
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So you agree that the assumption that one who opposes gay marriage also approves of torturing gays is as invalid as the assumption that all gays approve of inappropriate adult/child relationships because a group was organized to advocate such relationships.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:06 pmAgreed, SKdeAnt.
If there’s a more horrific form of death, I don’t know what it is — and I hope I never do.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmIf there’s a more horrific form of death, I don’t know what it is — and I hope I never do.
Partial birth abortion strikes bit as another horrific way to die. Of course, the victims of this type of abortion are unquestionably innocence. OTOH, having one’s skull evacuated while someone two hundred times your size keeps a finger in your mouth to prevent you from breathing is a much quicker way to die.
Killing is an immoral act. But any immoral action – such as abortion or homosexuality – encourages other immoral acts.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pmIf the Bush torturers thought they could have gotten away with gluing anuses when they were making the naked pyramids, they would have done that too.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:26 pmbitblt Says:
Killing is an immoral act. But any immoral action – such as abortion or homosexuality – encourages other immoral acts.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pm
So-called “partial birth” abortion is so rare as to be statistically insignificant, and is never performed on healthy fetuses, but you’ll trot it out because that’s what you’re programmed to do.
It interesting that you seem to be able to justify this torturous death (with your “but” above) for healthy breathing gay men, simply because you deem it “immoral.”
April 21st, 2009 at 5:38 pmrepublicans hate facts
Ok, you are ranting about conservatives excusing murder here’s a fact for you to digest:
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1
from 2008 Presidential elections.
Any insights you can provide would be helpful to understanding this.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:39 pmProvide a link, 10hourday.
Someone with critical thinking skills needs to look at the data.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pmZooey
Professor Joseph Olson
Hamline University School of Law
St. Paul , Minnesota
Or you could pull up the U.S. census data and match it with counties won by Dem party in 08.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:46 pmLink…?
You’re making the allegation, cough up the link.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:50 pmAn Email Hoax
A bogus chain email hoax has circulated supposedly written by a law professor at “Hemline University* with purported facts concerning the 2008 election. This professor disavows the email (on his university website) and says he has no idea where this came from. The email is a continuation of one disseminated after the 2000 election and contains totally erroneous facts. This is from factcheck.org. FACTS DO MATTER.
http://weareliterate.blogspot.com/2009/01/bogus-email.html
April 21st, 2009 at 5:51 pmbitbit, for 6 years while Bush was President Repulicans had control of the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court. Why didn’t they do something about abortion for you? Maybe you should go to some rightwing site and complain there because you’re OFF TOPIC HERE.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:54 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
The troll is citing an email hoax as fact! How very typical. No wonder he couldn’t come up with a link.
Thanks, Trollspotter!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:59 pmKilling is an immoral act. But any immoral action – such as abortion or homosexuality – encourages other immoral acts.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pm
It interesting that you seem to be able to justify this torturous death (with your “but” above) for healthy breathing gay men, simply because you deem it “immoral.”
bit only expressed opinions about horrific ways to die. Any justification you read in the above remark came from your imagination.
If there was unstated irony in bit’s remark it was this: those advocating the deaths – endorsing abortion – of 50M innocence preborns are outraged at the torture deaths of a few. It’s all outrageous to bit.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pmMaybe you should go to some rightwing site and complain there because you’re OFF TOPIC HERE.
Thanks for the insight. bit-
April 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pm“bit only expressed opinions about horrific ways to die. Any justification you read in the above remark came from your imagination.”
Uh huh, the problem is with us, and not you. Ok.
“Killing is an immoral act. But any immoral action – such as abortion or homosexuality – encourages other immoral acts.”
By that logic it would go that if I think that being a right-wing troll is an immoral act, you shouldn’t be surprised if I come around with a chainsaw?
Do I have that right? Thank all that is rational that I’m a more moral person than you.
Oh and by the way, the right to bodily autonomy trumps the right to life. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:09 pmBeing pro-choice is not “endorsing” abortion. Women must be free to make medical choices — and any and all other types of choices — regarding our own bodies.
Mind your own business.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:09 pmThat’s my last off topic comment.
Sorry for the diversion, TP.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:10 pmWell said, Paladiea!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pmThanks Zooey! :)
April 21st, 2009 at 6:15 pm“Killing is an immoral act. But any immoral action – such as abortion or homosexuality – encourages other immoral acts.”
By that logic it would go that if I think that being a right-wing troll is an immoral act, you shouldn’t be surprised if I come around with a chainsaw?
bit doesn’t believe he offered his remark as logic. He offered it as an observation.
The observation is this: Immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Moral acts encourage other moral acts.
Please correct bit’s observation if you have a more accurate one.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pm“The observation is this: Immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Moral acts encourage other moral acts.”
Not always no. All generalizations are false, including this one.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pmIt’s amazing how these kinds of threads bring out the Rightards in droves.
Something you wingnuts would like to share with the group?
April 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pmThe observation is this: Almost all immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Almost all moral acts encourage other moral acts.
Better?
Of course you didn’t show that one instance where the original statement was invalid.
The observation is this: Immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Moral acts encourage other moral acts.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:31 pm“The observation is this: Almost all immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Almost all moral acts encourage other moral acts.”
No I wouldn’t agree with that either, since crime waves don’t start with a kid stealing a candy bar.
“Of course you didn’t show that one instance where the original statement was invalid.”
Don’t have to, it’s obviously flawed.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pmThe observation is this: Immoral acts encourage other immoral acts. Moral acts encourage other moral acts.
In bitblt’s opinion is marriage between a man and a woman a ‘moral act?’
Is adultery an ‘immoral act?’
Because the immoral act of adultery is actually only possible after the ‘encouragement’ of the moral act of marriage…
Just sayin’
April 21st, 2009 at 6:43 pmWas the crucifixion of Jesus a ‘moral’ act?
It wasn’t?
Can we then infer that it tends to encourage ‘immoral’ acts in its name?
Thanks bit!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:44 pmLOL
Belaccifer, you spoiled my toying with the troll. The main flaw with his argument is that people are not mindless animals and can make decisions based on evidence and circumstance!
If everyone was the mental age of 4 then I can see his assertion being true. But fortunately for us, religion doesn’t have that much sway anymore ;).
April 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pmbelaccifer lacca Says:
Was the crucifixion of Jesus a ‘moral’ act?
It wasn’t?
Can we then infer that it tends to encourage ‘immoral’ acts in its name?
Thanks bit!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:44 pm
bit’s understanding is that the crucifixion of Jesus was a moral act, from the Creator’s point of view. Someone somehow had to “pay for the sins of the world( that’s all the people in the world).” Christ was the perfect, sinless sacrifice who was offered for our sins. This is what Christ is called a sacrificial lamb and this is why Christian’s don’t do animal sacrifice. Christ was the perfect sacrifice.
The New Testament says that Jesus was obedient to the will of the Father, which makes His act of sacrifice a moral act.
The following strikes bit as very moral:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4926419
John 3:16 and following:
OTOH, to the people who unjustly accused Him, it was an immoral act. The accusers even violated Jewish rules of evidence.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:56 pmPaladiea Says:
LOL
Belaccifer, you spoiled my toying with the troll. The main flaw with his argument is that people are not mindless animals and can make decisions based on evidence and circumstance!
If everyone was the mental age of 4 then I can see his assertion being true. But fortunately for us, religion doesn’t have that much sway anymore ;).
April 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Is there a reason, justification, or logic for immoral acts somewhere in this remark?
Don’t believe this remark would be well received in an AA meeting seeing how addictions basically turn people into “mindless animals” or at the very least people who can’t make a decision “…based on evidence and circumstance.”
April 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pm“Is there a reason, justification, or logic for immoral acts somewhere in this remark?”
Everyone does something for a reason. No one goes “Hey I’m going to randomly do something! RANDOMLY!”
“Don’t believe this remark would be well received in an AA meeting seeing how addictions basically turn people into “mindless animals” or at the very least people who can’t make a decision “…based on evidence and circumstance.”
Addiction is a mental health issue and in no way has any bearing on the topic of whether immoral acts are contagious.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:05 pmBitbit, why are you refering to yourself in the third person?
Your immoral disregard for personal pronouns seems to have lead to your immoral reasoning, bit.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:29 pmbiblebelt sez:
“bit’s understanding is that the crucifixion of Jesus was a moral act, from the Creator’s point of view.”
“OTOH, to the people who unjustly accused Him, it was an immoral act. The accusers even violated Jewish rules of evidence.”
Doesn’t say much for the morality of your creator, bit o’ brain…
April 21st, 2009 at 7:34 pmbitblt Says:
Bit never changes ignorant and bigoted to the end. You are a waste bit. Just think you COULD have been a decent person instead you became, well you, I am sure your mommy cries everytime she thinks that she could have drowned you at birth
April 21st, 2009 at 7:35 pmZooey Says:
Provide a link, 10hourday.
Someone with critical thinking skills needs to look at the data.
10hourday Says:
Zooey
Professor Joseph Olson
Hamline University School of Law
St. Paul , Minnesota
Or you could pull up the U.S. census data and match it with counties won by Dem party in 08.
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WOW only the stupidest of the stupid post EMAILS they havent confirmed. Taken in by a blatant and transparent hoax. THAT is why Zooey said someone with critical thinking skills needss to see your link. She was right. GOOD CALL ZOOEY.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:43 pmDubya must be so proud. Looks what all these freedoms and libertees have done for these great Iraqis peoples.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:53 pmThe U.S. had created the conditions that make social violence such as this flourish.
link
Economic hardship, alone, intensifies religious affiliation. We destroyed the country. I am still wondering when Iraq will restore clean water and electricity to pre-invasion levels. I suspect we aren’t really helping that much with rebuilding, seeing as how U.S. contractors have been providing the troops with contaminated water and deadly shower stalls.
Eventually, someone might have to admit that Hussein’s ability to make Iraq a secular nation was quite phenomenal.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:58 pm______
republicans hate facts Says:
So you agree that you COMING HERE to BASH GAYS while SUPPOSEDLY BEING OPPOSED to TORTURING THEM is HYPOCRISY and STUPIDITY? And that YOUR HATRED of GAYS is as INVALID as your CONFLATION of ANY RELATIONSHIP of HOMOSEXUALITY to P*D*FPHILIA? MORON…
April 21st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
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Sorry, bud, I forgot about that odd belief of yours that you have to hate and want to torture anyone with whom you disagree. Obama and Hillary are both opposed to gay marriage. According to your hopium boy logic, does that mean that they support torturing gays as well? ;)
April 21st, 2009 at 10:36 pmJust catching up on TP and thought it was funny that the articles with the most activity are Iraqi militia gluing butt holes and (of course) Dick head Cheney talking smack about Obama. I think we know how Dick head Cheney ranks here ……
April 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm10hourday Says:
…approved rule changes that allowed Fannie and Freddie to leverage their lending to 30x and drop their lending standards.
You’re referring of course to the one time he capitulated to the Republican party to accede to those rule changes… while he was the ranking minority party committee member (and thus not actually in a position to block anything) but still the guy to blame for everything.
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10hourday Says:
If you would calm down and read what I wrote you’d understand that I agree with your statement on Bush.
Right. You accept all wingnut conspiracy theories about which Dems are behind the collapse of everything, but you “hate Bush too.” Which means you’ve got no investment in our political process whatsoever. There sure seem to be a lot of y’all lately. Almost as if you popped into existence from some anti-liberal (but “Bush-hating-too”) dimension.
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10hourday Says:
…you’re funny … Crazy and just so stupid … look for a keyboard with no CAPs key … pick up a book on logical thinking … the blood pressure…
Don’t take away my RHF, you wingnut bastard! We like him just fine, just like he is.
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bitblt Says:
Partial birth abortion strikes bit as another horrific way to die.
Assuming you qualify as “alive.” And frankly since you brought up the comparison, I’d rather have my skull smashed in. That would be considerably more painless and quick. Say, why did you bring up the comparison, anyway?
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bitblt Says:
bit doesn’t believe he offered his remark as logic.
elbruce emphatically agrees.
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bitblt Says:
The observation is this: Immoral acts encourage other immoral acts.
Oh wait, that’s not “an observation,” that’s a generalization. bitblt has failed. hard. Poor bitblt.
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bitblt Says:
bit’s understanding is that the crucifixion of Jesus was a moral act, from the Creator’s point of view. Someone somehow had to “pay for the sins of the world
Does bitblt maintain that Judas Iscariot’s immortal soul resides in Heaven, or in Hell?
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 amNice slapdown ElBruce that has gotta leave a mark
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 amNice work, all y’all.
I’m sorry I missed the party. :-)
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ElBruce Says:
Don’t take away my RHF, you wingnut bastard! We like him just fine, just like he is.
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It’s great that rhf has been accepted back into the fold. It was quite awkward seeing him treated as an outsider when he is clearly one of your own. Still, your praise of him brings to mind posts(not yours)from the rhf-pariah days: ;)
“Speaking of RHF (aka VVGFU, btruthful),
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 amYou do know he(?) is just spouting $hit to get a response.
I’ve learned long ago to ignore him(?) with his improper profanities and childish ridicules of the mentally challenged.
Just not worth the effort to debate/discuss, but it is humorous to watch his meltdown every time Zooey posts”
Its incredible how many things abusers justify by religion. If there is a god, why would he want to inflict pain on anyone who has not committed any actual crime? Stop running to religion as an excuse for hating someone.
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 amTrolls are abysmally stupid, and sadistic because they enjoy doing harm for its own sake. Those who respond to them are just as stupid. Ignore them and they’ll have to beat their wives or kick the dog to get their jollies – and they’ll go away from here.
All my life I’d believed that Islam was “a great global religion of peace and tolerance.” Perhaps you were raised with the same litany. I even called people to task who were dissing Islam online.
In around 1994, though, I began to have some doubts. So I did what came naturally: I STUDIED Islam. Not from news media, politicians or any other second-hand sources. I went straight to the “horse’s mouth,” and let Islam explain ITSELF to me in its own terms. That’s about as fair as you can get.
I was looking for confirmation of the litany that I still felt HAD to be true. Instead, what I learned stood my hair on end.
I learned that there cannot BE such a thing as a “moderate” Muslim, just for starters. You either believe the whole thing or you are not a Muslim at all. If you’re not a Muslim, you’re an infidel, and the Quran says, “an infidel is worse than a murderer.” THAT is how your moderate friends MUST see you. So the moderates you may know have either been wazooed into Islam with lies about its true nature, or they want to selectively believe the faith (which isn’t allowed), or they are faking moderation for reasons of their own – unlovely ones, to our point of view. To those defending their moderate Muslim acquaintances, I can only say, “remember Glasgow.” THEY ought to know that moderation isn’t allowed in Islam. By its very nature, it is absolutist, and that applies to all of the Islamic “subdivisions,” cults and sects.
There may BE Muslims who don’t want to jihad, who want to tone down the absolutist rhetoric in their holy books, but are they, then, still really Muslims? They are NOT. They are called “kufr,” meaning “false Muslims,” and even an infidel is better than one of those. But they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too – being Muslims, but without the nasty parts. Can’t be done. But if and when the call to jihad reaches them, most WILL jihad.
In Islam, Muslims are forbidden to side with any nonbeliever against any believer – no matter how heinous the believer and how innocent the nonbeliever. This applies on a national scale, too; a fellow Muslim (or Muslim State) can do no wrong. Period. Even when they DO.
In Islam, there is no such thing as an atrocity – when it serves the believers’ desires. The concept of universal human rights is utterly alien in Islam.
Muslims can no more change the Quran and Hadith than Christians can try to relabel the Ten Commandments as the Ten Suggestions. Can’t be done.
Islam MANDATES violent jihad. If he goes to his maker without having done so, he’ll face Allah’s wrath.
Islam’s prime directive is total global domination – and by ANY means whatever. Has it escaped your notice that NONE of the Islamic States is criticizing, much less doing a “regime change” in Sudan? It means the genocide is fine as paint to them. As long as Muslims are doing it, of course.
Islam IS tolerant and peaceful – but people forget to mention that these traits only apply to other Muslims. For infidels like us, there ARE NO RULES.
Islam has always converted by the sword and still does. The Quran has one little phrase, written BEFORE Muhammad had gained a powerful military base: “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” Every Muslim will point to that as proof that forced conversions don’t happen in Islam. Except for one tiny detail: Muhammad himself started converting by the sword. That made the earlier phrase totally moot, overwritten, void, meaningless. And Muslims have been forcing conversions ever since, because Muhammad is the “role model of a perfect Muslim,” and all Muslims are required to emulate him. So much for no forced conversions. But I’d bet your “peaceful” Muslim friends will point to that overwritten phrase in the Quran. Want to try it out?
Still, don’t be too quick to judge them, because the REAL Muslims who converted them often did so with highly “edited” English versions of the Quran, sweetened up so as to maximize Western conversions. Your Muslim friend could merely be another victim of Islam, rather than a genuine believer, even if he thinks he is. Most downloads of Quran and Hadith are considerably sweetened up, but they can only go so far with it. Your download won’t be as bestial as the Arabic version, but it’ll be hard enough to swallow, count on it.
When Muhammad was asked “about womens’ menses,” he responded by saying, “It is an affliction.” Of course he didn’t know the purpose of this body function. But his god surely would have. So they had to “revise” it in English versions, to make their god seem more knowledgeable.
If you trouble yourself to study Islam, you’ll also learn that it is a religion OF males BY males and FOR males. No other religion can appeal to the inadequate male more than Islam. No wonder it’s growing.
Of COURSE other religions encourage killing or brutality toward women – almost every culture on the planet is inherently sexist, as are their religions. That doesn’t mean Islam isn’t the worst of the bunch. Wife killing happens everywhere, but it took Muslims to introduce beheading to the sport. Now it’s being emulated in many places, including the Mexican drug cartels. Thanks a pantload, Islam.
Please note, too, that Muslims are REQUIRED to cheat and lie to nonbelievers. Why do you suppose all the peace talks that ended with Arafat signing an agreement were broken before the ink dried? He was only being a good Muslim.
Muhammad didn’t give a horse’s patoot if his new “religion” caught on or not. It’s why he never bothered to name his successor. It only mattered to him as a tool through which he could gain instant and unquestioning obedience from his troops, so he could win his many conquests. To him, it was a “throwaway” faith; he could never have guessed it would catch on as it did. He committed a multitude of horrific atrocities. So atrocities in the name of the faith are still deemed to be just fine.
But he brought a “permission-giver” faith to the world, where people (men, actually) were encouraged to live up to their worst male traits. Little things like “thou shalt not kill” still apply, but only to other Muslims, and there are areas where killing is mandated – for the sake of the faith, of course. Then killing can be fun. Of course it became popular. Our species has never civilized itself away from its predatory and sadistic nature – and religions (particularly Islam) have nurtured it.
And his idea of using religion to win conquests is as good today as it was then. Our own recently revised Christianity, the bornagains, are using it to take over our country right now.
Religion – any one of them – can be a tool for establishing oppressive dictatorships. Given time and world enough ALL religions will become malevolent and oppressive. Religion is a name given to a thing that is institutionalized, and socially acceptable bigotry. “Only WE have the one true faith.” So much for religions being tolerant. Held in their places, they might do some good. Unleashed and allowed to wax political, they will all become monsters. Even if it wasn’t their intention originally. Bigotry is the embryonic form of genocide. It only takes the right circumstances for bigotry to blossom to its fullest. Until we recognize religion as a true bigotry, we will continue to defend it and be lax about its intrusions into our government and other institutions. VERY much to the peril of our democracy.
So Islam isn’t the only culpable religion, by any means. It does happen, however, to be the very worst one – ever.
Islam is essentially visceral and bestial. If you BOTHERED to do your own study, reading the Quran and Hadith cover to cover, and reading up on its history, learning about current Muslim thinking, you’d already know this. Glueing anuses may be new, but it’s entirely consistent with Islam. When Ahmadinijad declared that there ARE no homosexuals in Iran, he left out an important word: There are no homosexuals LEFT in Iran. Have they been glueing anuses all along? Why wouldn’t it surprise me to learn they were?
Is it Islamophobia if I don’t like what I leaned about Islam from their own sources?
I’d suggest you start to hit the books, so you’ll know what you’re talking about regarding Islam, rather than just buying into a bigotry or relying on second-hand sources to feed you your predigested and politically correct attitudes. I know the thought of the world’s 2 billion believers wanting to destroy the rest of us is scary. But is playing ostrich the solution? With Muslims, all over the world, actively taking over whole nations, aren’t you getting just a wee bit worried?
Why, then, do media and politicians keep telling us that old litany? It’s the oil, stupid. Even now, we can’t offend all of Islam, because without oil, our country would implode. Even Obama’s hands are tied in that regard. We can’t offend them – YET. But the environment is NOT Obama’s only reason for wanting us to be free from dependence on oil from countries that hate us.
Islam’s shenanigans impact our part of the world every day, and it impacts many of us quite directly. How can you justify remaining ignorant about it? How can you let second-hand sources tell you what to think? I’m not saying you should conclude what I have concluded here. For you, I, too, am a secondhand source. You can freely ignore what you learn from such sources, but you can’t avoid believing what you have learned FOR YOURSELF. So I AM saying you should get busy and DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!
Reality shows aren’t worth watching, so spend some quality time with a study of a subject that impacts the world so heavily. THAT is the true reality. Islam is more than a threat to democracies; it’s a threat to humanity itself. And it MEANS BUSINESS. We’d better get serious about countering their moves. If we don’t, and soon, Islam will WIN. I’d call that important.
Get busy, chum.
BTW, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan is a democracy. Iraq is a Shi’ite Islamic State waiting to happen – waiting for us to leave. We might as well. There’s nothing we can do now to stop it. Bush opened the Pandora’s Box and released the sectarian hatred which will now rage on interminably.
And Afghanistan? Read its constitution, the one BUSH, from the depths of his sixth-grade mentality, found acceptable in forming a “democracy” there. It says no law can be written which rubs Islam the wrong way. BINGO! Instant Islamic State. Where ELSE did they get those religious courts that can condemn a man to death for converting from Islam to Christianity? Do ANY other democracies have religious courts? Afghanistan is ruled by a new Taliban, with new faces – and the old Taliban wants back in. It’s still as much an Islamic State as it ever was.
So Bush gave exactly ZERO democracies to those countries; he only unleashed dragons. Bestial as he was, even Saddam wasn’t as bad as what the Shi’ite government now in power will be doing, once we, and our dollars, pull out. At least he maintained order and allowed the country to function at ALL. His methods were brutal oppression of the Shi’ites, but what the Shi’ites will do will make him look like a saint. He’d kept the lid on Pandora’s Box – and for very good reason, despite his horrific methods. He could have asked for help from the international community, but that wouldn’t be “manly,” and if Islam is about any one thing, it is about manliness. He was a Sunni, and they are just as bestial as the Shi’ites. You can’t expect any of them to use non-bestial methods in running their country henceforth. They don’t understand such things. Saddam was merely a bestial product of a bestial culture.
If you bothered to study Islam, you’d quickly realize that it is the inside-out of democracy and of our values and cultures. It is the very antithesis of friendly. It’s the only religion I know of that does NOT regard compassion as a virtue. Or even love. They’re mere unmanly options based on weakness, but okay, so long as utilizing them doesn’t interfere with serving Allah.
And, since Muhammad himself took a 6-year-old bride and had slaves, both pedophilia and slavery are still FULLY acceptable in Islam. And still practiced, including slavery. Other religions were able to grow out of some vile attitudes; Islam is utterly incapable of it.
There ARE no Islamic “extremists,” because none are needed. Islam itself is already extremist enough for anyone.
Our media are no help. They interview a woman, devastated with grief over a husband tortured and beheaded by the “other sect.” The media pull at our heartstrings over his suffering and her plight. Next week, when that woman’s own sect does a bit of torture/beheading of its own, the media have to go to the women of that other sect to make us weep for them. Because the first woman is doing nipups. Maybe you call that objective journalism, but I sure don’t. And I can’t think of any media source that isn’t guilty of this sort of thing.
It’s time we demanded “the facts, just the facts” from our media and dispensed with everything else. Their business goals, agendas and ambitions have supplanted the canon of ethics entirely. Regardless of which partisan leanings they have. We deserve thoroughness and total objectivity. If we don’t get it, goodbye democracy.
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April 23rd, 2009 at 2:04 am
Thanks! It’s a rare post such as yours – thoughtful, respectful, and straightforward( not entangled by political correctness ) – that makes bit a TP reader.
Being one of the few overtly conservative Christians posting on the TP bit feels obligated to point out that the Quran bears little semblance to the New Testament, which is the basis of Christianity. Somehow, bit thinks you probably already knew that.
One author writes that with Islam one always characterizes the belief with RPM: religion, politics, and military, which seems to summarize your post well.
Here’s a quote about the religion made in the early days of the U.S.
The referenced articles is from WorldNetDaily and is written by Judge Roy Moore, the Alabama Judge who got in trouble from his Ten Commandments monument. Some liberals may have trouble understanding the implications of the quote.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94998
To whom should we bow?
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Last Sunday was a great day as we celebrated the resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. On that day we also received news that Navy SEALs rescued Capt. Richard Phillips of the USS Maersk Alabama from Somali pirates.
Piracy and enslavement of others on the Mediterranean off the coasts of Africa is nothing new. For centuries Muslims have seized ships and raided coastal villages, taking captives and holding them for ransom or selling them as slaves in foreign ports.
In the late 1700s, as America was beginning its commerce with world powers, she reluctantly followed European powers that paid annual tribute to Muslim rulers to ensure the safety and protection of their ships and crews. In 1786, when the Muslim rulers demanded more than Congress could budget for tribute, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams traveled to London to negotiate with the ambassador from Tripoli, Sidi Haje Abdrahaman. When asked by what right Tripoli could claim tribute from nations that had done no injury to his country, Abdrahaman’s answer revealed much about Muslim attitudes and policies toward the West. Jefferson and Adams reported that Abdrahhaman said:
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BTW, bit would be interested in hearing your predictions about this conflict between Islam and everyone else.
April 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm