Rep. Ryan: Democrats have a ‘right’ to use budget reconciliaton.
Rep. Ryan: Democrats have a ‘right’ to use budget reconciliaton.
Congressional Democrats and the Obama administration have floated using “budget reconciliation” to pass health care reform — where only 51 votes would be required for approval of a bill — to bypass the increasing number of Republican filibuster threats. In response, Senate Republicans have said they would “grind the Senate to a virtual halt“; Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) explained that reconciliation would be “the nuclear war.” Today, GOP up-and-comer Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), however, said it is Democrats’ “right” to use budget reconciliation:
“It’s their right. They did win the election,” said Ryan, R-Wis. “That’s what I tell all my constituents who are worried about this. They won the election. They did run on these ideas. They did run on nationalizing health care. So, you’re right about that. They have the votes with reconciliation. They nailed down the process so that they can make sure they have the votes and that they can get this thing through really fast. It is their right. It is what they can do.”
Notably, much of President Bush’s agenda was passed in Republican-controlled Congresses using budget reconciliation. At the Wonk Room, Igor Volsky writes that reconciliation is the key to achieving health care reform.
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Today, GOP up-and-comer Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), however, said it is Democrats’ “right” to use budget reconciliation:
– - a Ryan aide: “Mr. Ryan, I have Mr. Limbaugh on the line for you. He says you ‘had better take this call.’ “
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 pmFinally there’s a Repugnican who read the newspapers after the election.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 pmNo sh*t
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 pmWow, a sentient Republican legislator!
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pmWell good for Ryan – he’s had a moment of clarity. However, I agree with you Badmoodman, he’ll probably backpedal by Monday the latest!
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pmThat makes two of you now, Progressive Republican.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pmWe’re pulling for ya!
My bets are Monday he’ll take it back
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 pmSooner than later there are going to be younger and stronger Republican party members who will tell Rush and Steele to phuck off when they get the shrieking, threatening post-statement phone calls, and the Republican party may reincarnate.
Rep. Ryan looks like he may fit the bill.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pmwait, that picture looks familiar. that’s right, ryan was the one who presented the revised version of the numberless budget on april fools day.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pmRyan needs to save his career and switch sides – LOLOL
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pmmeanwhile, it’s the batshit crazy republicans who get the most “face time” on television and then they wonder why they got their assses handed to them in the last two elections and are quickly becoming a regional, marginalized party.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pmSen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) explained that reconciliation would be “the nuclear war.”
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Funny… didn’t the GOOPers also talk about the “nuclear option” back when they still controlled Congress, threatening to freeze the Dems out completely?
What is it w/ these ass clowns?
“American Taliban” this…
“Nuclear war” that…
What belligerent twits. War!!! War!!! War!!! All the time!!!
Funny… so few of them actually want to “enlist” and go “fight” a real war.
They just loves them some Tough Talk™ whilst someone else’s kid dies for their sense of honor.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pmNotably, much of President Bush’s agenda was passed in Republican-controlled Congresses using budget reconciliation.
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‘Nuff said — I think that should be more than enough for the Democrats to justify doing the same. What’s good for the gander is good enough for the goose — if one party decides that they’re entitled to pursue a certain course of action, then courtesy and fairness demand that they acknowledge the other party is at liberty to do the same if they should see fit. Anything less is hypocrisy of the most blatant kind, which is (or at least should be) unworthy of someone who wishes to call himself or herself a good leader.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pmBravo..It is about time a Democrat grows some nuts and stands up to these right wing whacko’s.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pmI’m sure the republicans will resort to the “biological/chemical weapon” method to keep the Democrat’s agenda from going forth. *rolling eyes*
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pmI’m just impressed there’s a Republican in Congress who knows what Congressional procedure is.
BTW, “the nuclear option” used to refer to re-writing the rules to eliminate the filibuster… When R’s were in charge.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmMike71654 Says:
Bravo..It is about time a Democrat grows some nuts and stands up to these right wing whacko’s.
– - Ummm, Ryan is a Republican.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pmGreat, then what’s the hold-up? Only 51 doesn’t mean a lock?
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pmDrill baby drill - that reconciliation down the GOPs throat! HAHAHAHA!
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmRoh, roh. There goes Rep. Ryan’s RNC backing. Unless, of course, he performs certain “services” for Lush Rimjob in the next few days.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 pmSorry to be so off topic. Keith on Countdown just offered Sean Hannity (who bragged that he was willing to be waterboarded for charity) $1000.00/second providing it is done either live or with multiple news orgs taping.
Awesome Idea. He didn’t say he was taking pledges, but I just pledged $1.00/sec. I don’t make his money.
Join in
Sorry again for OT
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pmDrill baby drill – Sure – they’re drilling themselves right in their own a$$es with silly rhetoric and buffoonery.
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pmSomeone needs to hold the GOP publicly accountable.
Get them live, on camera, to explain why when they do something — like using budget reconiliation on non-budgetary votes — it’s a good thing. But when the Democrats do it, it’s bad.
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 pmlm945 Says:
Even when confronted with the facts, the rethuglicans still manage to object or oppose the truth.
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pmHas he apologized yet?
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pmbrothabill: I agree – let the fat smokers die. Focus on prevention and education!
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pmSo we should just let people die?
How is that different from office workers at a health insurance company making decisions about my health. Not to mention, the Health Insurance Industry makes more money denying services.
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pmbrothabill Says:
You’re entitled to your opinion but YES WE CAN achieve universal healthcare. It’s as simple as regulating healthcare and putting the greedy insurance companies in check. What makes this situation complicated is greedy insurance companies, greedy politicians, politicians who are only concerned about being re-elected and apathetic people who will not stand up and fight for their rights. Healthcare is a right! I don’t care if an American only pays 1 cent in taxes they have the right to health insurance and good healthcare. We pay for the politicians to have the best health insurance SO HOW IS IT NOT A RIGHT FOR US TO HAVE?
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 pmI’m as certain, as the sun rises in the East, the GOP needs to shift just a little to the left towards a more centrist and progressive political platform. They’ll need to do that, in order to gain the support of those Independents and moderaate Democrats who are not as whacked out as some of the looney Democrats in Congress. The ever widening and deepening chasm that has existed between the Democratic and Republican parties has nearly torn this country in half. This kind of political extremism could have dire consequences, much as the one that existed in this country over a century and a half ago. I’m not saying that there would be another civil war in this country, but the divisiveness of our politics is CAPABLE of sending this country into an unrecoverable democratic meltdown.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pmhey we are the only country without some form of universal health care. but hey maybe we are the only ones that are right.
47 million americans without health care insurance and millions more with preexisting conditions that cannot get coverage for their condition.
over half the bankruptcies due to medical costs.
corporations paying high health care costs that other countries corps do not have to pay.
install a two tier system. general health care and a privitized health care system.
health care in american is about $$$$$$$$$$$$ not people.
capitalism and privitized health care will self destruct. it wont be pretty but it will occur.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pmAnother thing, I know people who died from cancer and they didn’t smoke, excercised, didn’t drink and we’re just good people – BUT SHYTE HAPPENS IN LIFE! How can we judge anyone and deny them the right to good healthcare?! God forbid if it should happen to you or your loved ones!
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pmFrom another thread:
brothabill Says:
Only pussies would think throwing a bucket of water on someone’s face is torture.
What’s next? Giving someone an atomic wedgie is torture? OMG, if the underwear elastic band is stretched above subject’s shoulders, it is definitely torture!
Stop the press, we have given up America’s ideals!!!!! The terrorist’s underwear is up his buttcrack!
You want to know what torture is? Asked the guys who captured in Vietnam. I am sure they would say theyd rather have a bucket of water to the face than what they went through.
And to address the future posts> yes, if you all want to meet up in Vegas in August and waterboard me. I am down with that. I have a medical conference to go to for 3 days. The trade off is that you all have to buy me a buffet at Bellagio’s and carry my nuts around the rest of the night.
Open heart surgery is 1000 times worse than waterboarding. Get over it. Who cares
You’re a subhuman troll, brothabill. And, I suspect, that you are either grossly incompetent or just plain lying about your medical credentials. I suggest you go back to some Reichwhiner blog where you won’t expose yourself as a fraud and a fool. Better yet, just go to Hell you effing creep!
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 pmWell I ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, BB, so I can call BULLSH*T.
The Aussie health care is quite good, at least here in SA. The biggest problem Australia has is a doctor shortage, which in part is due to smaller population/large geographical area.
Also because of insuffient government funds for training.
Nothing to do with single payer health insurance.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 pmpete Says:
I second that – GO TO HELL TROLL brothabill!
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 pmPut a small “r” next Ryans name. The district he represents is (at least used to be) pretty heavily blue collar and racially diverse. Janesville, Racine/Kenosha, and Burlington have been hit pretty hard from what I understand. I don’t live in that district but it’s a sure bet Ryan had to talk some pretty “progressive” ideals to even get elected.
Not that I give a hoot about rethugs but it makes you think about what it might mean to call oneself a republican. I kinda feel sorry for some of the old farmers near me. Their idea of what it means to be a republican is hard to criticize. (See link) Their party has been rotting since Nixon, perverted by Reagan, and destroyed by Bushco & (dim)Son.
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=35067
What does it mean to be a republican today? I’d like to hear from some others on this…because when I think of it I throw up a little.
Maybe Ryans someone the old farmers could be proud of. But simply stating a fact don’t mean nuttin. Trials out
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 pmIt’s not likely to happen any time soon, leneeg. The GOP is committed to a course that can only end in their destruction, or the destruction of our country. And all the smart ones have left the party. It’s a hopeless case where the only ones left are radical, dogmatic, extremist freaks.
Thankfully, all signs point to them continuing to marginalize themselves. I just wish we had recognized them before they did so much damage.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 pmOops! Some smart ones remain but the party is forcing them out. Look for Ryan to put an (I) or a (D) after his name if he wants to continue a political career. If he doesn’t? The GOP will do it for him.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pmWell, you GOPers have a long way to go. This first quarter of the Obama Administration is a picture of what the GOP will be about for the next 3 years or more. The world is changing and the GOP can’t seem to keep up. The Grand Old Party of No new ideas, No common sense, plenty of GREED, Pro-Torture, No reality and No direction.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pmpete Says:
You’re a subhuman troll, brothabill. And, I suspect, that you are either grossly incompetent or just plain lying about your medical credentials.
You’re probably right pete. If not, I’m just damned glad this guy is not my doctor, or my neighbor.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 pmIf anyone wants to check, they can find out that the Republicans have used it literally dozens of times when they ran things. Rep. Ryan better be careful. When his own party finishes with him, he will need to say I’m sorry to everyone of them. Limbaugh first of course.
I would hate to see humiliation on that cute face of his. Sorry, I lost my head for a minute. My liberal head.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
He’s also a coward. He planted a little pile of troll crap on every thread and ran off rather than defending it.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pmDamn, I’m envious of Wisconsin. Even their Repub senator has a functioning brain without even mentioning Russ Feingold, who I have the utmost respect for. I live in NC where we have brain dead “run on the banks” Burr and Blue Dog Hagen. I would gladly trade both our senators for Feingold or Byron Dorgan if they would relocate.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pmpete Says:
Yeah, I noticed. He’s the son of Irish immigrants who would torture rapists when not busy healing folk. I hope in real life he knows who he really is.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:41 pmNo wonder former repugnicans are now calling themselves libertarians!
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pmWay off topic:
Randi Rhodes has a new gig on the same network that carries Lushbo and Becky! I’m sure the Reichwhiners will take the high ground and welcome her. Not! Alas, they won’t even have the balls to resign in protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/randi-rhodes-to-return-to_n_190850.html
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pmbrothabill Says:
I’m a physician…
Some people dont deserve to have their healthcare paid for.
You’re no physician. Nobody who would be glad to step over dying people in the street gets to call themselves a “physician,” even in their fantasy life. You’re just a wingnut with another made-up bio so we’ll nod and accept your blatant appeal to authority fallacy. THAT DOESN’T WORK ON US.
It’s better to live in a society where people aren’t needlessly suffering and dying. It’s cheaper to pool all members of society into a single pool than to have lots of competing, limited pools. It’s cheaper still to provide preventive care to everybody than to fall back on emergency-room services for avoidable ailments.
I’m not saying it’s a right. I’m saying it’s an effective solution.
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brothabill Says:
Government messes everything up. You have bureaucrats and politicians making health care decisions who dont have a clue about medicine.
We already have that. It’s called HMO and insurance company bureaucrats.
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brothabill Says:
Universal healthcare really is fantasy land and just is not going to ever happen in the USA. It would be a bigger quagmire than the Vietnam war to do it.
It works just fine in lots and lots of healthy, developed nations, many of which have vibrant capitalist economies as well.
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brothabill Says:
Plus, you’d have illegal immigrants seeking care, that would raise taxes even more. 1/4 of your paycheck minimum will go directly towards paying for other people’s medical problems.
Hmm, should I use the real data from actual countries who have implemented single-payer care or should I go with the fresh, steaming numbers you just pulled out of your ass…?
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 pmSorry, For some unknown f**king reason I thought Ryan was a senator not a representative. Anyway, what’s up with brothabill, the professional med school cadaver? Any chance he was one of the medical staff present at the CIA’s waterboarding sessions. I thought doctors took an oath to “do no harm.” He sounds like he took it to mean “do no good” either. I guess Mengele was a doctor too.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 pmWell, thank you Mr. Obvious! Seriously, it is nice to see a Republican acknowledging that the rules do apply to the other side. Now, here’s hoping the Democrats take this as license to work parliamentary procedure for the good of all mankind.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:01 pmRepuli-whos?
As useless as an anchor in the desert.
Onward with progress.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:04 pmMathazar Says:
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Well I ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, BB, so I can call BULLSH*T.
The Aussie health care is quite good, at least here in SA. The biggest problem Australia has is a doctor shortage, which in part is due to smaller population/large geographical area.
Also because of insuffient government funds for training.
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Please answer this if you can. My wife and I were inquiring about perhaps moving to Australia last year and we were taken aback at the ridid requirements. I can understand that high standards are desirable and justified in most cases, but we both have long histories of professional employment, she in the healthcare field and I’m in commercial construction.
Been pondering this so any explanation would be helpful. Thanks.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 pmOMG! That’s so cool! It’s been a while since I’ve seen Countdown. Dang I need to start watching again.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 pmwoodguy,
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 pmAustralia.
Been there, lived there! Personal experience is certainly more valid than supposition.
I’m sure if one goes over to redstate or freep and sprinkles their arguments with stories about their dead dog and how they’re a fireman who was at the WTC in 9/11 and how their mom is a janitor at Congress and can personally attest that Nancy Pilosi uses a spittoon – or whatever you wanted to make up, that would probably carry a lot of weight with them. Nobody would dare to disagree with you. That’s because they are stupid people and don’t understand either logic or the implications of anonymous global communication.
They keep trying it here though, and it never works. Not once. Maybe we should hang up a sign or something.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:54 amI think this representative forgot that we live in a republic not a democracy. The majority doesn’t rule, every voice has representation and should have a say on every issue left and right.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:12 amElBruce Says:
Signs don’t work on stupid trolls, ElBruce. Even the ones who can read, after a fashion, ignored all the signs that Bushco was leading us to perdition and shouted down those of us who did read the signs. Although…
It would be fun to infiltrate a Reichwhiner event and post a sign over the door that says: “Unauthorized Personnel Only”.
I’m pretty sure that those who’s heads didn’t implode would end up gibbering, in a fetal position, in a corner.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:18 amUm. Whether it’s a Republic, Democracy, news network, or anywhere else; bullshit doesn’t carry the same value as the truth. Even when the truth sucks more than the bullshit.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:22 am#
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republicans hate facts Says:
RP2012 Says:
I think this representative forgot that we live in a republic not a democracy. The majority doesn’t rule, every voice has representation and should have a say on every issue left and right.
WTF? YOU just CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. In a *REPUBLIC* the LEADERS that are ELECTED don’t HAVE to LISTEN TO *ANYONE*. Just ask GWB who didn’t give a sh!t WHAT the *DEMOCRATICALLY* elected people were ELECTED to DO!
YOU F**KING IDIOT!”
A true product of public schools everyone^^^.
I’ll break this down for you in simple terms. In a republic the people elect their representatives to represent them based on ideals and issues that the said representative pledges during his/her campaign. If a rep. like say… Ron Paul starts acting like George Bush then his constituents call, write and email and say “hey, stop this nonsense!” If he does not they vote him out in a year or so. That is the beauty of our republic. Do you really not know how our government is set up???
April 24th, 2009 at 1:26 amI would question your ethics.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:40 amYou neglected the third option, RP2012.
We also have Representatives like Crazy Shelly(Bachmann (R) Mn.) who shouldn’t be trusted with pointy scissors, and yet manage to manipulate the press and get reelected.
Not to mention Chimpy selling us down the river and managing to, also, get reelected.
April 24th, 2009 at 1:53 amRP2012 Says:
I think this representative forgot that we live in a republic not a democracy. The majority doesn’t rule, every voice has representation and should have a say on every issue left and right.
Can anybody translate this into Sane for me?
April 24th, 2009 at 2:00 amElBruce Says:
RP2012 Says:
I think this representative forgot that we live in a republic not a democracy. The majority doesn’t rule, every voice has representation and should have a say on every issue left and right.
Can anybody translate this into Sane for me?
I’ll take a poke at it.
I think he/she is trying to say that his/her opinion matters but, anyone who disagrees can take a hike and, because we live in a republic, all we can really do is vote out people who prove faithless.
Of course, that’s what we did in the last two elections and, since things went against the Republicans, all of us who voted the Republicans out are stupid and don’t know how our country works.
April 24th, 2009 at 2:11 amWARNING! The following should not be taken seriously.
Now, now, RHF. We shouldn’t attack the inbred, the home”schooled”, or MORONS. Unless they deserve it because they pissed us off. Hehe!
April 24th, 2009 at 2:16 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
brothabill Says:
Universal healthcare really is fantasy land and just is not going to ever happen in the USA. It would be a bigger quagmire than the Vietnam war to do it.
WTF does an IRISHMAN *KNOW* or *CARE* about Vietnam?
You SOUND like JUST ANOTHER RED STATE RUBE. Undereducated and FULL OF SH!T while PRETENDING to be a “big-man” and ACTING like a LITTLE BOY *MORON*…
See what I mean? This POS troll deserves the big guns and there might be some collateral damage.
April 24th, 2009 at 2:17 amIt’s odd. Our “new” troll has either: stayed up all night drinking and trading quips on a blog that has nothing to do with him, neglected his patients during a night shift for the same reason, or? Is a common, American, stupid troll who has done the same between the end of his shift at the drive-thru and going to bed.
BTW. There’s a small minority of stupid trolls who simply assume that I am referring to them when I say “stupid troll”. I would say that this one is BUSTED!
G’night, good people.
April 24th, 2009 at 2:48 amYou too, stupid trolls.
Remember the ridiculous statement made by Dick Cheney in 2004: “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter. This is our due.”
Well, in your face, Dick. It’s our turn.
April 24th, 2009 at 3:58 am68. brothabill Says: There is a great need if your wife works in medicine. The Australian medical system is socialized like Canada and Britain. It rewards failure and cost control over helping people. Although you can see a doctor, it really is equivalent to seeing a nurse practicioner or less in the USA…They usually always want outside medical people b/c aussie staff is well lackluster. The doctors suck, the training is poor. I mean its socialized medicine, obviously that creeps in.
And yet, Australia still outranks the US in healthcare; coming in at #32.
The US? #37
Suck. On. That. Billy.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:02 ambrothabill sez: “Although you can see a doctor, it really is equivalent to seeing a nurse practitioner or less in the USA…
Here in the USA, I usually get to see a PA or a NP, which is about equivalent to seeing a Health Care Assistant, or less.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:15 ambrothabill Says:
“I’m a physician so I care about government taking over healthcare.”
and from a following post….:
“but we both have long histories of professional employment, she in the healthcare field and I’m in commercial construction.”
What are you exactly?
Dr. Drywall?
Bubba Halfabubbleout?
April 24th, 2009 at 8:22 amI just hope you don’t try to give someone an IV of drywall mud today.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:24 amDr. Drywall fantasizes his taping bazooka is an EKG machine.
April 24th, 2009 at 8:28 amHe has taped a couple of ballpoint pens and his wife’s old vibrator to the business end.
Remember a couple of years back when the Regressives wanted to do away with the right to filibuster?
One wonders how they feel about that idea now?
April 24th, 2009 at 8:46 amGee, I think we might be seeing the 2nd coming here. brothabill, the physician/carpenter has come here to save us from single payer health care.
Hallelujah!
April 24th, 2009 at 8:51 amI lived in Canada at one time with my husband and three children. Even as ‘landed emigrants’ we received free healthcare. My son was hospitalized as a result of a bone fracture and everything went along very smoothly. I even received a small stipend each month from the government which was designated for the children. The Canadians we knew lived comfortably, no one ran around in rags, they partied a lot, and I heard no one complain about the system.
April 24th, 2009 at 9:05 amI will quote at least one Democrat I have some respect for.
“Elections have consequences.” Senator Barbara Boxer(D) California.
It’s good to see at least one Republican has a ounce of common sense, decency and reality.
The American people gave the Democrats the majority for a reason. If the Republican try to stand in the way by using technicalities or anti-democratic senate rules, the Democrats are obligated to do everything they can to get around that.
April 24th, 2009 at 9:37 amAnd healthcare “reform” will mean exactly what? Regressive, neo-fascist HMO MANDATES?? Anyone notice how the media are IGNORING the FAILINGS of the HMO MANDATES Mitt Romney shoved through Massachussetts? People are going bankrupt and still unable to afford healthcare there.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:03 amWithout discussion of SINGLE PAYER NATIONAL HEALTH, all talk of “reform” is a HOAX.
Make no mistake folks, Rahm and Zeke Emanuel are writing Obama’s health “reform” policy. ANd they are PRO-WAR AND PRO-CORPORATION. They will NOT be bringing us ANYTHING resembling Canada’s system or ANY of the European social democracy systems at all.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:06 ambrothabill Says:
And for any trolls out there. Its a spam email address meaning I use it as a shill and ignore the other 5000 emails that turn up so dont bother.
Quick FYI, nobody does that manually. It’s crawlbots picking up your address and adding them to a database to spam to. So telling people not to bother isn’t going to stop them, because they don’t understand language. Of course that raises the same question at a met-level regarding why I’m bothering to say so to you.
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brothabill Says:
But if you realy want to go there. Well its awesome! It’s expensive as hell in Sydney. Lots more taxes than the USA…
Look at this cool thing I found. Actually, not bad. Not bad at all.
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brothabill Says:
There’s race problems with the Lebanese muslims with riots aways back with lebos attacking… You can google Crunella riots.
Okay (Cronulla, btw).
Yeeaaahhhh, it’s not the Lebanese-Australians I’m so worried about.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:25 amTawdry Says:
I lived in Canada at one time with my husband and three children. Even as ‘landed emigrants’ we received free healthcare. My son was hospitalized as a result of a bone fracture…
As an American with employer-provided health insurance I’d have to find out whether or not a nearby doctor was “in-network” or “out-of-network.” If not, I’d need to locate the address of someone “in-network” in my area. Then I’d have to check what procedures they were likely to do against my coverage, to see what’s covered and what isn’t. Then I could go get it treated. So I pretty much avoid doctors, even though I pay for coverage.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am#30 leneeg Says:
We had wacked out and looneys in their the last 8 years. But I can see you are trying to sound fair and balance like fixed news is. Good try but you are what you are. A repug.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:39 amThe GOP has had plenty of opportunities to act in a bipartisan matter.
Instead, they chose to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes, and scream NO!NO!NO! at the top of their lungs.
If they want to act like three year olds, then it’s time for a time out.
Majority rules.
If the Republicans don’t like reconciliation, they shouldn’t have established the precedent by using it so many times when they were in power.
Hey Dems. If you don’t pass your agenda now, you will never get it passed.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:44 amIf you waste this golden opportunity, then shame on you.
Get it done.
Brothabill is talking out of his ass.
I live in Canada.
When I get sick or get injured, I go to a doctor.
If I get sick, I don’t worry about some insurance company screwing me over and sticking me with the bill.
Don’t believe the lobbyist propaganda.
Government health care is the ONLY way to go.
The US is the ONLY industrialized nation without a proper health care system.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:56 amIf your system were a good one, the rest of the world would be adopting it. We aren’t.
That should say it all.
PFWoody488 Says:
I live in Canada.
When I get sick or get injured, I go to a doctor.
If I get sick, I don’t worry about some insurance company screwing me over and sticking me with the bill.
I am so jealous. And I’m one of the people who has a job, and who has insurance. And I’m still worse off than y’all.
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At this point it is pretty obvious to me all you morons want is a true democracy of mob rule and to silence the minority. Please don’t waste my or your time with “oh but the republicans did this and the democrats did that” I don’t give a damn and you shouldn’t either. How can you refute what I said in post #55 (read a damn book on government)? I strongly disagree with universal healthcare and I strongly disagree with cap and trade, so should my representative should just sit down and shut up? No he represents my voice just as your elected official represents yours. i.e the republic. Equal rights and equal say for every American not just the majority in power.
April 24th, 2009 at 11:08 amand if your voice is heard but a differing voice prevails so be it, correct?
April 24th, 2009 at 11:18 amYes
April 24th, 2009 at 11:21 amJust don’t try to silence the opposition and act like their view isn’t worth anything.
April 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am“Just don’t try to silence the opposition and act like their view isn’t worth anything.”
Sniff… sniff….
April 24th, 2009 at 11:38 amNo I’ll leave that to the Limbaughs, Roves, and Bush-like folks…
April 24th, 2009 at 11:55 amRP2012 Says:
At this point it is pretty obvious to me all you morons want is a true democracy of mob rule and to silence the minority.
How is that obvious? Which minority are you talking about? There are a lot of them. I mean, should we give 50% of the decision regarding budget reconciliation over to UFO enthusiasts? Witches?
The OP is just talking about the same process that the Republicans used many many times while they had the majority. It’s a perfectly normal Congressional procedure. Perhaps if the Republicans had managed to withhold using it so much, there’d be some validity in the Dems starting to now. But it’s simply routine.
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RP2012 Says:
How can you refute what I said in post #55
I have to admit that I can’t.
Because I have no clue whatsoever what you were trying to say in post #55.
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RP2012 Says:
I strongly disagree with universal healthcare and I strongly disagree with cap and trade, so should my representative should just sit down and shut up?
Not at all. However, he should play by the same rules as previously, and try to make some sense as well.
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RP2012 Says:
Just don’t try to silence the opposition and act like their view isn’t worth anything.
Oh, nobody wants you silent. Stay crazy, stupid and loud. Please. That’s working really well for us.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:13 pmSo I am familiar with this topic. I dont think healthcare should be a right. Some people dont deserve to have their healthcare paid for. Especially if they smoke themselves into needing very expensive healthcare or eat themselves into obesity and have heart failure. They are killing themselves, why should we subsidize massive spending where 90% of health care dollars go into the final 3-6 months of life for people who did all of this to themselves.
Any doctor who professes that health care is not a right is NOT A DOCTOR. I GUESS DOCS IN AUSTRAILIA DON’T HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH??? DO THEY.
As per your comment about having to pay for people who don’t take care of themselves….ever heard of SIN TAXES like ciggerettes, alcohol , gas tax (sure if you are to lazy to walk to the corner store, pay for it) amoung other taxes that WE PAY!!!!
If you are such a pig for money, what are you doing in Austrailia???? WOULDN’T THE US MEDICAL SYSTEM BE BETTER FOR YOU TO RAPE SICK PEOPLE OF THERE WEALTH BEFORE THE DIE?????
Because that’s what it is, the raping of individuals assets before they die. We all know we are going to die, the question remains will in be instantly (at no cost)or will it be an illness that causes me to loose all my wealth to the doctors and medical insurance companies?????
I have social health care here in Canada, and if any one tried to take away our system, HEADS WOULD ROLL. Recently the Canadian public had a contest…Who is our greatest Canadian???? DO YOU KNOW WHO WON????? THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT US SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE!!!! Tommy Douglas (Keefer Sutherlands Grandfather). That alone should tell you how much we value socialized health care.
I guess your pissed becuase the only industrialized nation without single payer is going that route. I guess you missed the boat on the gravey train. TOO BAD , SO SAD!!!LOOSER.
Take pride in what you do for the good of HUMANITY or get the FU** OUT OF THE PROFESSION IF IT’S FOR DOLLARS!!!
PIGS GET FAT AND HOGS GET SLAUGHTERED!!!
The rest of you Americans, don’t be fooled by idiots like this. I wish you knew the piece of mind we have as a nation knowing we will never go poor because of health care, we will never have to worry about how much money we have and most of all THERE IS NO CLASS SYSTEM WHEN YOUR IN LINE TO BE SERVED. THE RICH CAN’T BUD TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE. FU**EN PIGS!!
Thank you for lettiing me vent….have a great safe weekend you all. Cheers.
April 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pmRP2012 Says:
Well RP…
Equal rights and equal say
April 24th, 2009 at 1:39 pmStill don’t mean you get your way.
#68
“…Tasmania in December is cold”
No, dear little troll, it is not cold in December in Tasmania. You should do a little homework. In the southern hemisphere, December is summertime. The weather is quite balmy in Hobart and the island in general. This is easily checked via a lovely Australian government site that gives temps for the winter (June) and summer (Jan). Here: http://users.bigpond.net.au/bwi28/tas/climate.html. They even provide a comparison chart for C and F temp scales.
April 24th, 2009 at 2:54 pmMichele Says:
No, dear little troll, it is not cold in December in Tasmania.
Good catch. I should have noticed that one.
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