Wilkerson on investigating or prosecuting Cheney and Rumsfeld: If the public wants it, ‘let’s do it.’
Wilkerson on investigating or prosecuting Cheney and Rumsfeld: If the public wants it, ‘let’s do it.’
Yesterday, former Colin Powell chief of staff Larry Wilkerson told Rachel Maddow that there are “six or seven, maybe even eight lawyers” from the Bush administration — including Jay Bybee — who should be “disbarred” for approving torture. “As far as going after leaders like Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld,” Wilkerson said, “I just don`t think there’s the political will, and if there is, I don’t think there`s political skill to do it.” When Maddow pointed out that the public does support torture accountability, Wilkerson said, “then let’s do it”:
MADDOW: I’m with you on political skill. The question about whether or not it can be handled well. It seems like the political will may follow the public will, and if the polling data recently is anything to go by, the public is sort of all about seeking investigations at least, if not prosecutions in this case.
WILKERSON: And that’s what our country is all about, and if that’s the case, then let’s do it.
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April 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pmwow. dude…kudos to wilkerson he’s got some serious balls, straight up calling cheney a coward!
April 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pmWILKERSON: And that’s what our country is all about, and if that’s the case, then let’s do it.
It is the case, so let’s do it.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pmLet’s ROLL! I like this guy ;)
April 25th, 2009 at 1:25 pmSomeone has to be held accountable for this. If not, you better believe this will happen again. Next time, It will probably happen RIGHT HERE…TO YOU AND ME!!! Who will stop these people from doing something like that if there is no accountability, right now?
April 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pmMight I suggest Patrick Fitzgerald to lead the investigation/prosecution?
April 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pmWilkersons take down of Cheney was priceless !
April 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pmIt’s not really necessary that we prosecute. Gather all the evidence and present it to the world court. Let them bring the charges. All we have to do is extradite.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm“I just don`t think there’s the political will, and if there is, I don’t think there`s political skill to do it.”
Just what in the bleeding eyes of any deity you choose to pray to does political will have to do with prosecuting heinous crimes? Is America so morally bankrupt that we only obey the law when it is politically expedient?
If that is true, where does one send the flowers? The funeral home or the grave site?
April 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pmRight? Wrong? Are we determining those by popularity now?
Another memo I didn’t get…
April 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pmWho cares about this. It happened get over it.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pmWilkinson has been out in front on this for years. He spoke up and fought back BEFORE Powell’s now infamous Feb 2003 meeting with the vial in front of the security council. (Read “The Fall of the House of Bush” as well as others like “The Greatest Story Ever Sold” by Frank Rich.
There are going to be more and more people coming out of the woodwork, piecing together the dots that Cheney thought he had obscured so well…..
April 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pmFitzgerald could have done us better – he may not have the political will. How about one of the U.S. attorney’s removed by Bush for political reasons.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pmI would also like to point out that while we prosecuted and apparently executed Japanese for water boarding The worst war criminals of all time were shielded by the CIA(OSS?). In Manchuria a germ warfare medical group actually vivisected allied POW’s. Alive and no anesthetic after they had been subjected to germ warfare experiments. I see no reason to shield CIA torturers. Would you want them around your children or grandchildren?
April 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pmInvestigation?
Put Seymour Hersh and Bill Moyers on it with advisory counsel. Wouldn’t mind if Matt Taibbi was on the research staff.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pmPolitical will is only necessary for Congressional hearings or a commission of some sort – and those would just amount to political theater to sweep everything under the rug. See Warren commission, Iran-Contra, the 9/11 commission, and the Iraq study group for examples. However, DoJ investigations through the justice system would proceed or not solely based on the facts.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm.
Dear Sugar Shane,
Why such callous disregard for the law?
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April 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pmAnd so, Proud, Nuremberg wasn’t about genocide, it was all about the Allies’ vile hatred of Hitler?
April 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pmI can write the word genocide rather easily Proud–watch—genocide.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm.
Dear Proud,
You can be proud that those that designed the SERE torture training program for our troops advised the Bush Administration that instituting this program for the use of real techniques used in the field would amount to TORTURE.
You can be proud that the AFM specifically states that many of these techniques are considered WAR CRIMES.
You can be proud that the use of known TORTURE techniques are acts of WAR CRIMES as previously determined right after WWII and Vietnam.
But mostly Proud, you can be proud that it is WAR CRIMES and TORTURE that you support…
… Yep, be proud of that. But really, what kind of person prides himself on the use of inhumane and illegal treatment of their fellow human?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:05 pmPerhaps what bothers me most is hardly mentioned. The reightwing is trying to sell that torture (err..enhanced interrogation) was being used to extract information to protect Americans and/or American soldiers. Doesn’t work on me but I imagine it might on some “fence sitters”. In fairness, although reprehensible, it can almost be bought as understandable. But what is puzzling is that recent press releases indicate that the CIA knew all along that torture produces faulty intelligence at best. I’m sure if “they” wanted a taped confession of an Al-Quida/Saddam link, WMD location, or anything thing else they wanted to hear they had it within the first couple of interrogates. What is hardly mentioned is how much of this “torture” was performed as pure retribution? (C’mon…183 waterboardings combined with god knows what.)
I believe that the majority of this torture was performed as nothing short of extremely cruel and inhumane punishment doled out as just that. It’s all out there about what was done to interrogates and its description is nightmare provoking. I can’t imagine what was on those tapes destroyed by the CIA and how much worse it could have been than Abu-Gharib(sp?). Even worse…how much of this was done to innocent bystanders caught up in raids based on faulty torture-derived information? Remember “they don’t wear uniforms.”
Another thing the reightwing would also have us believe is that torture was implemented on only a few individuals. That certainly cannot be the case. We may never know how many were tortured but my guess is the number is in the hundreds. (How many might have been tortured for the Iran/IED link?)
And it’s not ok to torture “them” because they’re “head-choppers”. Capital punishment is fatal regardless of method. (We kill folks too)
Should Cheney and Rummy be prosecuted? You bet!
“”I just don`t think there’s the political will, and if there is, I don’t think there`s political skill to do it.”
That’s BS! Everyone able is afraid of what Cheney has on THEM or what will be done in retrobution. The only reason Cheneys sticking around Washington is damage control.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pmI have a vile hatred of Dick Cheney because he’s a war criminal. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm#23 Figures…
… This coming from a TORTURE supporter and WAR CRIMINAL cheer leader…
… Been (R)ushpublickin’ lately?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pmGuido,
April 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pmI don’t affiliate with Islamists. I could care less.
I am not losing sleep over this. Bye Bye bed wetters!
April 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pmEnhanced Interrogation has not saved a single life, for if it had, there would be a movie about it already.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm.
Dear Proud,
What does landing on the moon have to do with the price of tea in China?
Answer the question!!!
p.s.
What made TORTURE legal?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pmI ay let us waterboard the War Criminals! Let them taste their own medicine.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm.
Dear Proud,
What made TORTURE legal?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm“Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.”
Proof please
April 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pmSo you admit we torture, Proud?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:16 pmProud Says:
I wish someone on the left would just be honest and admit that this is NOT about torture. This is about the lefts vile hatred of Bush and Cheney. If “enhanced interrogation” saved the life of one American or foiled one terrorist plot, I say will done and do it again. Before I get all the torture doesn’t work replies, if Obama had any guts he would release ALL the memos, yes the ones that showed the positive results of the interrogations.
The FBI has made it very clear that there were no positive results, and I’ve got a feeling that (a) they know more about this (or anything) than you and (b) that they don’t suffer from “vile hatred of Bush and Cheney.”
Check out the links I posted here. I know, “wah wah, NPR lefty wah wah”, but the people quoted are from the FBI.
If the positive memos exist, Dick Cheney has now broken the law simply by revealing the existence of classified documents. Therefore, they do not exist, because there is no law against revealing the nonexistence of classified documents.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm.
You know jack,
Proud is like a Charles Manson clansman…
… Always there to claim that Charlie was doing the right thing.
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm.
Dear Proud,
What makes TORTURE legal?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pmI’m fuzzy on that LA terrorist plot, Proud. What happened? and were there arrests and a trial?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
Who cares about the public? What about the law?!
I agree.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmThe public opinion on issues that weren’t criminal (but maybe should have been) such as Iraq didn’t mean a thing.
But now public opinion is what it takes to investigate war crimes ? I saw some story yesterday about how the poll over the weekend was going to have a big effect on the potential of an investigation. So, there is an example of more of this need for public opinion b.s.
And I’m not making the connection as far as whether or not the White House can handle all of the challenges including this. I thought it was a DOJ thing.
Proud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
The one that was foiled six months before they had the (alleged) “legal authorization” to use torture?
If they got that intel from torture, then it was illegal. If it wasn’t from torture, then they lied.
Which was it, Proud? A lie, or illegal?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmProud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
The aborted LA attack was in 2002. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was caught in 2003. How, even in your twisted little mind, did torturing him after the fact stop an attack?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm.
Hey everyone,
Dontcha know…
… Time lines mean squat when reading talking points.
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pm“Yes, we torture and I say job well done, Pelosi was OK with it, if it only works 1 out of 100 times, fine with me. Like I said if we save one American life, I could care less how many terrorists we torture.”
Now THAT is twisted!
Proud…to them we are the terrorists. Reverse the situation if your mind is capable. OK for them to torture our guys?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pmProud, torture has been illegal in the US for over 100 years and we have managed to survive and flourish without it. No American life is worth our honor.
If you want to live in a third world country, feel free to move. The US DOES NOT CONDONE TORTURE! Period.
Go back to talking to your hemorrhoids.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pmWILKERSON: And that’s what our country is all about, and if that’s the case, then let’s do it.
I agree with Larry Wilkerson. Let’s get those immoral Bush bastards.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmProud Says:
Yes, we torture and I say job well done, Pelosi was OK with it, if it only works 1 out of 100 times, fine with me. Like I said if we save one American life, I could care less how many terrorists we torture.
How about innocent people, Proud? You on board with torturing innocent people?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm.
Dear Proud,
… And Hitler gave good speeches, too. NO?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmgummble-bee-itch Says: The aborted LA attack was in 2002. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was caught in 2003. How, even in your twisted little mind, did torturing him after the fact stop an attack?
Evidently the time travel phenomenon we experience here from time to time is much more prevalent in the trollish world.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmProud, anyone ever tell you that your world sucks?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:29 pmProud Says:
Like I said if we save one American life, I could care less how many terrorists we torture.
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Hitler claimed that the Jews were terrorists. Hitler said that the Jews had to rounded up and put into camps because they were a threat to ‘Homeland Security’. Sound familiar?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pmProud Says:
“I don’t give a rip if torture is legal or illegal, it works. These terrorists are not human in any sense of the word, they are animals who need to be destroyed. Grow up kiddies its us or them and I want us to be around after the bell rings.”
There is no hope for you.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:34 pmProud Says:
“I don’t give a rip if torture is legal or illegal, it works. These terrorists are not human in any sense of the word, they are animals who need to be destroyed.”
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That’s the exact same thing that Hitler said about Jews.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pmDeath befor dishonor.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm.
#55 Shorter Proud: Damned be the rule of law!
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm.
Dear Proud,
If it’s the bad guys don’t care about the law…
… What does it make America when She doesn’t either?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm.
Dear Proud,
You still haven’t answered the question…
… What makes TORTURE legal?
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April 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pmCue Howard “Sandman” Sims to pull Proud off the stage.
You’ve jumped the shark, dawg.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pmProud and Hitler Says:
There is no hope for this country, if we don’t use every measure of force possible to protect ourselves. I am sorry but rainbows and lolipops won’t stop a terrorist attack. I know you lefties think you can give a terrorist a flower and he will love us, but it just doesn’t work that way.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pmLike I said, Proud, your world sucks.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pmWhy can not I watch ? :(
April 25th, 2009 at 2:51 pmIf we have to torture to defend this country, this country isn’t worth defending. That’s all.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSugar Shane Says:
Who cares about this. It happened get over it.
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I care about this the American people care about this. LEts prsecute, imprison and then YOU can get over it
April 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pmSo, Proud, do you believe that the Obama administration can legally employ these techniques on those opposed to the goals of the administration, those who want the administration to fail?
April 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pmProudMoron Says:
I wish you would admit that you are nothing more than an ignorant brainwashed piece of garbage that cares nothing about truth, reality, or facts and would say ANYTHING to push the propaganda given you by Rush who does ALL of your thinking for you. Just admit you have no brain, no soul, and no decency and that pondscum looks good in comparison to YOU.
April 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pmProud Says:
Just answer the question jack, if you can. By the way what does genocide have to do with torturing a few islamic terrorists?
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Who do you think YOU are to tell people what to do. You are a liar, a fool, a punk, and a troll. You come here ONLY to lie and provoke. You are a piece of garbage. You push the propaganda long after it has been shown to BE lies because you are a liar. You LOVE to lie. Propaganda is the ONLY thing you care about. You have no decency. You are a punk and a coward. You care nothing about American values. We have torture people who no one even ACCUSES of being terrorists but you dont care. You want people tortured whether they are a danger or not because you are a sick twisted freak and your in your sadism this is the only way to get your useless little thingy hard. You disgust me as you disgust all decent Americans. The thought of your putrid stupidity makes me want to puke. When I do I will produce a pile of something better and smarter than you will ever be.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pmProud Says:
I could care less whether torture is considered legal or not, it works. By the way stop comparing terrorists to the Jews who were murdered by Hitler.
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When Proud compares Muslims and Arabs to terrorists, he qoutes Adolf Hitler, word for word.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pmColin Powell chief of staff Larry Wilkerson, I agree with you 100%
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Proud Says:
How can anyone on the left use the word genocide. Your dear leader can’t seem to use the word when it comes to the Armenians, I guess he doesn’t want to offend his Muslim brothers in Turkey.
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Obama was not in Turkey to talk about the Turks/Armenian conflicts. He was there on a NATO visit truth be told. Turkey, has been a NATO ally of Washington long before Obama was in office. I don’t think Obama purpose is to offend anyone but do you think it helps having a Russian military base presence in Armenia?
America never stopped Armenians from entering or becoming citizens of the US?
April 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pmSugar Shane Says:
Guido,
I don’t affiliate with Islamists. I could care less.
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I am sure no Muslim wants to affiliate with you. They certainly would have more class than to want anything to do with an ignorant bigot like you. Better to find a class of people more on your level. You will find them blowing lepers for pocketchange in the skid row district
April 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pmCome on Proud, answer my question. Can Obama use waterboarding to get answers from people who want the U.S. Government to fail?
Do you have any problems with Obama using the powers Bush used to keep us safe?
April 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmProud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
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No it didnt. You are a liar a fool and a punk. The attack was stopped a year BEFORE we got KSM. What a brainwashed moron you are.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmObviously Proud is a student of the very things he professes to hate. Messiah, regime, religious themes for domination. Everything he says are bad in our enemies (his definition) are the things he wants in our government.
Bring on the Inquisition as long as it deals with the godless enemies of the Church. Oh, wait, I meant to say State.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pmProud Says:
The world is already seeing the joke that Obama is, we are wide open for another 9/11 attack
You mean the one your hero let happen?
April 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmProud and Hitler Says:
Napolitano, has already begun to threaten anyone who disagrees with the Messiah, I will not be shocked by anything this regime does or is capable of doing.
We’re all afraid that Nazis, like you and Timothy McVeigh, are going to kill Americans because Rush Limbaugh told you to do it.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmSugar Shane Says:
I am not losing sleep over this. Bye Bye bed wetters!
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That is Ok you brainwashed moron. We are not losing sleep over the FACT you are a cowardly punk with the brain of a fruitfly
April 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmAny country who needs to torture to save itself isn’t worth saving.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmProud Says: 40
Good job show the whole world that you are a cowardly punk who doesnt even pretend to any level of decency. Let them know you are a souless moron who loves being one of Satans minions.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pmProud, you have serious hate issues, please get counseling ASAP.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pmProud Says:
If there is no hope for our country it will be because of un-American cowards like YOU. Cowards who would destroy OUR values because you HAVE no values, no decency, no honesty and not a single human trait. You are a spawn of evil. Maggots are a higher lifeform compared to you. You disgust all good Americans. May God have mercy upon you, since you have no soul to have mercy on.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pmProud Says:
I wish someone on the left would just be honest and admit that this is NOT about torture. This is about the lefts vile hatred of Bush and Cheney.
It’s about torture. If they hadn’t so flagrantly broken not only the law but everything America has ever stood for and we were still calling for investigations then it’d be political. And we wouldn’t get anywhere. It’s almost like they did us a favor by deciding to do all of the worst things that the human mind can concieve of, huh? Maybe they shouldn’ta done that.
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Proud Says:
How can anyone on the left use the word genocide. Your dear leader can’t seem to use the word when it comes to the Armenians…
The systematic murder of millions of Armenians constitutes a intentional campaign of genocide. I can say it all I want. I do.
Also, off topic.
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Mycelium Says:
What is hardly mentioned is how much of this “torture” was performed as pure retribution? (C’mon…183 waterboardings combined with god knows what.)
What we consistently find is that even their weakest arguments don’t hold up in time. The “what would you do, we had to do it to save you” meme will eventually be buried under forthcoming evidence that they were doing it just for kicks. I have no doubt that such evidence will turn up.
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Sugar Shane Says:
I am not losing sleep over this.
That’s because you are an evil person.
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Proud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
Interesting you should bring that up, because that claim by Cheney has been recently shown to be a lie. Turns out Khalid Sheik Mohammed wasn’t even in detention until 2003. The planned Liberty building attack had been thwarted in 2002 when some people got arrested boarding a plane in Japan. At most, we tortured KSM a year later to find out some details of what had been thwarted.
But torture didn’t stop the attack. Unless the CIA has a time travel machine too.
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Proud Says:
There is no hope for this country, if we don’t use every measure of force possible to protect ourselves.
Why do you even bother living in a country founded on moral standards of decency? Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate America? Why don’t you just GTFO?
April 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pmProud Says: 74
No she hasnt you are a liar, a punk, a fool and so stupid you dont even understand the propaganda that Rush has programmed you with. You have to be the most ignorant, disgusting piece of garbage on this site.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pmProud needs militia training? I had no idea the “militia” offered a diaper service.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pmProud Says:
Really? That is why he is so popular right? Dont let reality get in the way of what Rush tells you to think you worthless moron. The world is seeing what ignorant cowardly punks far right pants pissers like YOU are. You are fringe, you are ignored, you are irrelevant and you are both evil and incredibly stupid
April 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pmProud Says:
The world is already seeing the joke that Obama is…
The world likes him even better than America does. Which is a lot.
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Proud Says:
we are wide open for another 9/11 attack and then let me be the first to say I told you so.
Just go ahead and say you hope so. You know you wanna. It’s OK, nobody’s looking.
Also, you should probably move to a country that puts your security at a higher priority, since you’re so scared. I hear North Korea’s nice this time of year.
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Proud Says:
…to appease his muslim brothers.
Ha haa, people still think Obama’s a muslim. I thought y’all went back to your caves. You must be typing that from the local library my taxes paid for, because I know they ain’t got Internet service in the trailer park.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pmProud Says:
You are stupid beyond human comprehension ProudMoron. I am not angry. I am disgusted. I am not mad at you I pity you. I pity anyone who has no soul, no decency and no brain. That is YOU.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pmProud is getting extreme teabagging training today.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pmProud Says:
I am off to the range for Militia traing Y’All have agood day.
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If you’re going to have ‘bomb making training’ today, I hope that you and your friends detonate yourselves to kingdom come. Better that it be you and your friends than innocent American women and children.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pmTorture the War Criminals!
April 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pmProud is a Fascists, he should be arrested.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pmHe also called deathshot, chickenshit chickenhawk.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
April 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pm.
Dear Proud,
How proud must one be to stand up for WAR CRIMES?
How proud one must be to stand up for unamerican principles?
How proud one must be to stand up for illegal acts?
How proud one must be to stand up for unreliable tactics?
… The depth of such pride. Are you a Patriot or a coward?
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April 25th, 2009 at 3:32 pm#2 Chocolate Jesus Says:
wow. dude…kudos to wilkerson he’s got some serious balls, straight up calling cheney a coward!
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If these former officials who worked for Bush/Cheney had real balls, they would give testimony, under oath, in front of the American people about all the crimes against humanity committed during the Bush/Cheney years.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:33 pmdelafield,
April 25th, 2009 at 3:36 pmHe has…
… http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/18/feith-chickens-out-of-hearing-on-abusive-interrogations-because-he-didnt-like-another-witness/
Dire Straights Says:
Proud is a Fascists, he should be arrested.
Nah…he’s a chicken!
(Re-post from yesterday)
“Today’s conservatives remind me of nothing so much as an elderly lab chicken, used in countless undergrad psychology experiments, but now abandoned in its dotage. Over and over again, it keeps pecking the red bar, even though the last time a food pellet actually appeared was in 2004. Peck! Let’s play the race card! Peck! Let’s play the taxes card! Peck! Let’s play the deficits card! Peck! Let’s play the gay card! Peck! Let’s play the foreign bogeyman card! Peck! Peck! Peck!
Sh!t! No food pellets! The red bar is in tatters, the chicken’s beak is worn down to a nub, but still it pecks, and still no food pellets.”
(David Michael Green)
http://www.counterpunch.org/green04242009.html
April 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pm#104 Max Anux,
Thank you for the link. Larry Wilkerson really does have a set of serious balls.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:51 pmDire Straights Says:
Proud is a Fascists, he should be arrested.
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He has a right to be a fascist. You dont get arrested for your opinions in America. That is what fascists do. You sound like a false flag troll.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pmSince the teabagging repugs will be the only party to torture (amongst other swills they do) and lie about it there isn’t any real purpose for them. Is there? Just another reason of many to 86 trash.
It’s true if we don’t take care of this political mess caused by the teabaggers, we will be the next. Mainly, as it should be, there is a huge moral obligation to punish, rightfully, serious lawbreakers. Or we have no moral stance. This may lead to people taking the law into their own hands. We can’t have that.
A poor sap with a doobie would get arrested, charged, tried and convited with time and parole.
I say multitask these crooks to punishment. DO IT.
Don’t worry Ms. Maddow there will always be a two party system, just not with these idiots. Although I have a sneaky suspicion that you like them for their ratings. That 20% of idiots aren’t going anywhere, there will more than enough of stupid to go around.
BTW teabaggers, progressives/liberals aren’t as passive as they were during the MLK era, that worked then. This is now.
April 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pmRe: political skill
Meaning the Democrats don’t have the balls to go through with it.
Political skill, as compared to the Repubs who will rile up their base with false outrage and manipulate the media (oh, that’s already started?).
Yeah, the D’s are weak that way.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:04 pmThe reason that terrorists exist is because people who think like trolls gain power.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pmdelafield,
No problem. He’s even testified to Powell’s lies a few years earlier…
… But like everything from 2002 through 2006, it got swept under the carpet along with accountability.
Other notable sightings of Mr. Wilkerson…
From Nov. 2005, http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec05/wilk_11-4.html
From November 7, 2007 http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/
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April 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI’m interested in Maddow’s claim that “the public is sort of all about seeking investigations at least, if not prosecutions in this case.” Can anyone link to polling data that supports this assertion? I’m not doubting it’s true–I’d just like to see it.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmProud Says:
The world is already seeing the joke that Obama is, we are wide open for another 9/11 attack and then let me be the first to say I told you so. Sad that Obama would be willing to sacrifice American lives to appease his muslim brothers.
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It’s sad Bush sacrificed Americans for a $30 billion dollar loan. Bush and Cheney labeled American’s as “tortures” in the name of Freedom and we still don’t have Bin Laden?
Proud please do tell us what happen with this one, did this make you feel really safe?
Invaded a country on wrong intelligence information and now the Muslim extremist has another excuse to hate America because of the Bush Administration’s failed foreign polices and Cheney’s Intra-Government “Torture” Administration, and the Republican’ts in the mean time loot and pilfered the USA and the world and Bush’s only assessment on the collapse of the US and the global economy is “Wall St. got drunk…”???? Not to mention the illegal wiretapping practices.
Proud why are you still in America you should have been gone along time ago?
April 25th, 2009 at 4:19 pmOne more thing teabaggers, torture would have to be preformed on ALL prisoners. Even the innocent, children and women. how else would the torturers determine who’s telling the truth?
teabaggers R.I.H. (2009)
April 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmJim Says:
Here is a gallup poll showing a large public demand for investigations. Gallup did a flawed poll. One DESIGNED to help the Bush administration by splitting the pro investigation group into two groups asking if there should be a criminal investigation an investigation by an independent panel or no investigation. In each the no investigation group was less than or around a third of americans. Their headline could then read NO MANDATE FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS even though in every case THAT was the largest vote getter. Had they just asked investigations or no investigations the for investigation group would have been between 65 and 70%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114580/No-Mandate-Criminal-Probes-Bush-Administration.aspx
April 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pmProud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
your ignorance is so amusing. HAHAHAHAHAHA
And don’t forget wiretapping/torturing US citizens got us some neighborhood ninjas fellows. You know the guys who watched Kill Bill once too many times.
If it’s possible please be more stupid for my amusement.
Thank you.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:31 pm.
Dear Jim,
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/24/Poll-US-split-on-torture/UPI-55341240631033/
http://people-press.org/report/510/public-remains-divided-over-use-of-torture
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April 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmAmerica. It seems popular opinion means more than the law.
Eisenhower was right.
Who’s next?
April 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmProud Says:
If there is no hope for our country it will be because of un-American cowards like YOU. Cowards who would destroy OUR values because you HAVE no values, no decency, no honesty and not a single human trait. You are a spawn of evil. Maggots are a higher lifeform compared to you. You disgust all good Americans. May God have mercy upon you, since you have no soul to have mercy on.
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This even further confirms the DHS’s report, this is proof positive, period.
Proud you fauxbot find another channel to watch.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pmProud — Stop believing that “24″ and Jack Bauer are real.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThe End does NOT justify the means paarticularly when we have been signatory to treaties and documents that disallow torture. We have PROSECUTED our own soldiers for such violations; we have prosecuted our enemies for such violations. The world has prosecuted many for such violations. You cannot make an argument for torture; experts on interrogation testify it doesn’t work – in fact, the opposite of torture (gaining confidence and trust) is far more reliable. Former CIA agents who were tortured can speak to this with more authority than you or I, and they agree on what constitutes torture and why it doesn’t work. Your lealder John McCain has spoken out against torture – only recently when the RNC has decided to split hairs in defense of Bush&Co, he is waffling. We tortured – and now when our people are held by our enemies, we cannot claim the high ground and demand they not be tortured.
Others will not back us up in such claims.
Why can’t you get it through your head – I don’t know why I spent time typing this — you are a lost cause.
Only repugs would be OK with unwarranted wars/invasions/occupations – only repugs would be OK with torture – all while they claim the moral high ground, pseudo-pro-life, while they go to church every Sunday.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pmTheir hypocrisy is stunning.
We did not approve torture in the Spanish American War, not in WWI, not in WWII, not in Korea, not in VN — but repugs today think they know better – because Cheney says so.
April 25th, 2009 at 4:50 pmProsecuting Cheney and Rumsfeld for approving torture is like prosecuting OJ for armed robbery. At least it’s something.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI agree with everything Wilkerson is saying, but I am curious why Colin Powell is so noticeable silent on all of this.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWhat the sick freaks fail to consider is what may happen to American citizens who fall into the hands of our enemies, whether legitimate or contrived. Generations from now people around the World will remember that we tortured prisoners not to mention the countless thousands murdered in Bushco’s illegal wars.
While there are no guarantees, the prosecution of the guilty may mitigate some of the hate that’s been generated. If not? We, as a nation, will find ourselves reviled and isolated. Our citizens will not be able to travel, or trade, in foreign lands.
No nation can survive without the goodwill of it’s neighbors and partners. If we fail to prosecute our own criminals? We will find the world a much more lonely and dangerous place.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:12 pmHow can we afford NOT to investigate and prosecute?
Many of the same players came from the Nixon and Reagan administration, we let them go and look where we are today.
Let this go again and the next time will be worse if that is possible.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pmProud, just accept that moral judgement is beyond your comprehension and pick a new hobby.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pmSo far Colin is looking pretty clean in all this. No surprise as I just KNOW he would never sign off on this.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:22 pm“I just don`t think there’s the political will, and if there is, I don’t think there`s political skill to do it.”
I’ve worked my whole life in criminal defense and I would be more than willing to switch sides and take on this challenge.
No political skill? Plllt! Its the law, not political skill. Although, whoever does take on this task is going to have to be willing to get really, really dirty.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:29 pmGG Says:
I agree with everything Wilkerson is saying, but I am curious why Colin Powell is so noticeable silent on all of this.
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Because Powell in 2003 built a strong case against invading Iraq and Powell was to moderate a republican.
Hey Proud
April 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pmIt is about torture…if you really can’t see that…youre really lost in space…
Proud
These terrorists are not human in any sense of the word, they are animals who need to be destroyed
Thee DHS report ordered by he whose nuts you wash in your mouth daily (der Shrubbie) rightfully highlighted the dangers of right-wing-extremists like you but stopped just short of calling for your outright destruction.
But it sure is tempting.
Pride comes before a fall
April 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pmSo far Colin is looking pretty clean in all this. No surprise as I just KNOW he would never sign off on this.
Agree.
His biggest mistake was being the good soldier he is by obeying the bush crime family with his story to the UN.
A good soldier would never put other military persons at risk by going along with torture.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmProud Says:
I am off to the range for Militia traing…
Says the guy who whines about DHS reports warning about extremist right-wing groups.
How come every time you wingnuts don’t control all three branches of government, you grab a bunch of oversized guns and spend the next decade prancing about in the forest endagering lives and property? The last time you started in with your “militia” thing, we got Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, the Aryan Nations, abortion clinic bombings, etc. etc.
It’s going to be different this time. You were the ones who pushed through attaching an extensive anti-terrorism apparatus onto the Executive branch of government and who pushed giving them unprecedented levels of power to intrude into everyone’s lives. It strikes me that you’re going to find that creating armed groups training to fight the government isn’t going to be nearly as much fun for you this time around.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pmhad enough Says:
A good soldier would never put other military persons at risk by going along with torture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kayla-williams/on-torture_b_190967.html
April 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pmi find it quite ironic that when the analytical scooter libby was convicted a number of liberals were targeting him with prison rape jokes. apparently they care for the living conditions of cretins removed from the battlefield but don’t care about confinement conditions here at home. newsflash liberals, you’re inconsistent in your claims.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pmI wonder if the federal government has made any effort to start rounding up the unregulated militias that are threatening secession. The Reichwingnuts were worried about being put into FEMA camps, and in this one case, their paranoia might just end up coming true.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:51 pmNeoparody,
Do you mean the millions of liberals are not marching in exact lockstep like Reichwingnuts? Who would have immagined that?
April 25th, 2009 at 5:53 pmLiberal Kelly Says:
“I just don`t think there’s the political will, and if there is, I don’t think there`s political skill to do it.”
I’ve worked my whole life in criminal defense and I would be more than willing to switch sides and take on this challenge.
No political skill? Plllt! Its the law, not political skill. Although, whoever does take on this task is going to have to be willing to get really, really dirty.
Let me know where to send any kind of support you need.
Go get’em.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pmare you trying to pass off that crude targeting of an educated man who, yes, obstructed the investigation as a good thing and irrelevant to your (limited) outrage of torture? the us should never torture, but if torture were completely eradicated on the military/intelligence front, i’m afraid the liberals’ outrage would stop there.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pmneoparody, go waterboard yourself.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:12 pmBush and cheney are villains of epic proportion. We all have to come to grips with that, and let justice have it’s way with them, in all their humiliation. As painful as that will be to witness for many, it will in fact make the country stronger than it ever has been before. It will restore america as the beacon of justice and hope.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmLevi the Dungbeetle Says:
I wonder if the federal government has made any effort to start rounding up the unregulated militias that are threatening secession.
When an actual state governor start promoting secession, it would be a dereliction of duty for the DoD to not draw up contingency plans for civil war. They’re probably on it right now.
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neoparody Says:
the us should never torture
Awesome, you said something not-retarded. Congratulations! I’m also for improving prison conditions in the U.S, btw. I’m sure most everybody who hangs out here regularly is, as well. I would have never taken you for a human rights activist though, or we would have brought it up sooner.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmneoparody Says:
the us should never torture
You’ll be pleased to know that President Obama has banned any further use of the BuschCo torture machine set up by cheney.
It will come to light that bush and cheney tortured to obtain false confessions. This is just one simple example of what can be obtained through the use of torture.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pmNeoparasite. This is why you dont try to really discuss things most of the time and just beg us to pity you. You dont know what you are talking about and are just a liar and a brainwashed fool. MOST of those we had at Gitmo were NOT picked up from the battlefield. We paid a bounty for them and have no idea if they are really guilty of anything other than pissing off a warlord who wanted to make some money. You are stupid. These things are above your paygrade like most things. Like jello. Face it you are always going to be stupid and just repeat the programming that the screechmonkeys that do your thinking give you. They lie to you and you repeat them anyway because you are a fool and you it makes you look like the fool you are.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmneoparasite. I am sure you are afraid of lots of things, like truth, reality, facts, things like that. Of COURSE the cretin who obstructed the investigation of those who hurt national security by exposing the identity of a CIA agent working in the field of WMDs is irrelevant to torture. OTher than the fact they are BOTH WRONG. Time to face facts. You are an idiot. You have nothing, you present your nothing ignorantly and your brainwashed idiocy is old and worthless. You are embarassing yourself. Now I always appreciate a free clown show but shouldnt you be trying to get some self respect somewhere?
April 25th, 2009 at 6:36 pmBriseadh na Firefly Says:
Might I suggest Patrick Fitzgerald to lead the investigation/prosecution?
NO! All we got out of Patrick Fitzgerald is a coverup of what really happened in the Valerie Plame matter and Scooter Libby as the fall guy. This is why I don’t want to see an independent counsel for a while yet. The minute one is assigned, all sources of information are going to dry up and the investigation will be done behind closed doors. We will never get the whole picture. I think right now President Obama is trying to give us a clear picture of what went on before it is shut down by a commission or a prosecutor.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:36 pmI think the humane thing to do right now is give the abused prisoners physicals and brain scans, using real doctors instead of buschCo doctors. They may seem perfectly all right, but there is going to be a lot of people with brain damage and disabilities i bet, including many innocent – when it comes to the bushies you have to expect the worst and only hope for the best…
I expect that the bush and cheney had every intension of locking america down and turning it into a fearful totalitarian state with buschCo at the top.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:40 pmSo Proud, if you are still around, I have a question for you.
What would you think if your son or daughter was captured in Iran and they were tortured? Would you think that was OK? If not, then why is it OK for us to torture but it is not OK for someone else to torture.
Challenging you to answer this question, not expecting an answer.
April 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pmApe-Man Says:
“They may seem perfectly all right, but there is going to be a lot of people with brain damage and disabilities i bet, including many innocent -”
Precisely, I don’t know about actual brain damage. But the psychological damage is surely irreversible. This isn’t about physical health, as you know, it’s all about mental health. Didn’t one of the victims say that he wets himself every time he gets nervous? No doubt most of the victims are mentally ruined.
(Great posts and insight BTW)
April 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pmMuslim brothers???
April 25th, 2009 at 7:23 pmHas Proud changed his name to “white pride” yet? How about “Embarassed”?
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
All we got out of Patrick Fitzgerald is a coverup of what really happened in the Valerie Plame matter and Scooter Libby as the fall guy. This is why I don’t want to see an independent counsel for a while yet.
If we put Fitz on the case, the wingnuts would just cry that we were letting Blago off the hook. Obama explicitly promised not to reassign him anyways.
I agree that SP’s tend to make everything hush-hush and that that’s a bad thing, but one will be necessary in the long run, in order to bring a case against elected and/or appointed officials. I would like to get more facts in the sunlight first though.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:25 pm(On the lighter side)
I just got accused of torture!
My 2 children (girl 10, boy 9) decided to get into a mud fight this evening. No way was my wife going to let the little darlings in the house so the torture began. Waterhosing!
(I live in rural central Wi…it’s about 45 after a rainy day.)
April 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pmHey PROUD! Some of the “terrorists” were real special.
link
April 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pmFew posters bring up their personal lives here and that’s a good thing. I brought up my children for a reason. I believe it’s important to teach ones children right from wrong.
It’s not the “waterhosing” I refer to. (Warm water and we laughed our way through it…most fun had all day.) See, we talk about issues. My children know what torture is and thoroughly understand why it’s wrong.
Wonder what rethugs teach their kids?
April 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmwiley Says:
Some pretty heavy stuff!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pmTHIS IS BRILLIANT!!
We don’t have to try to impeach the guy – we only have to get him disbarred! We’re fighting the wrong fight!
April 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pm*
Reichwingnuts teach their children that there are circumstances in which torture is morally acceptable. This is glaringly untrue and any child that thinks for him or herself will realize it.
Unfortunately, independent thought is not encouraged in the homes of the reichwingnuts.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmwont happen reid and the demos are spineless
April 25th, 2009 at 8:49 pmbrothabill Says: I wish I lived in the USA!
You should stay your hateful crazy a$$ in Australia. You’re a lunatic windbag spewing nonsense and hatred. You have nothing of substance to offer. You’re probably that guy that all of the neighborhood kids avoid on halloween. The weirdo, outcast that has no friends and has a history of violence and mania. You’ll probably self-destruct long before America the beautiful ever collapses.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:02 pmBrothaBill, it is against the law to torture someone, even if that person raped your sister. It is also against the law to take the law into your own hands.
I certainly understand why you might want to minister justice yourself, but you are not judge, jury and executioner. We have a legal system to protect us from people like you. What you are BrothaBill is ignorant.
April 25th, 2009 at 9:07 pmNice.
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And what maximum security prison or institution for the criminally insane are you writing us from today?
April 25th, 2009 at 9:14 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
The question isn’t whether or not torture is legal. The question is what does the law define as “torture.” Where do you draw the line? Can reasonable legal experts disagree? Is issuing a legal opinion with which others disagree a crime?
The techniques chosen for the so-called “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” were based on techniques administered to volunteers who undergo special survival training in a course called S.E.R.E. The techniques chosen in the S.E.R.E. training are chosen for that training specifically because they are illegal.
Therefore, there is no logical way to say that the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques were legal. They were, in fact, War Crimes.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:13 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
The question isn’t whether or not torture is legal. The question is what does the law define as “torture.” Where do you draw the line? Can reasonable legal experts disagree? Is issuing a legal opinion with which others disagree a crime?
Very reptilian comment you made.
I draw the line by stating raping children, squeezing the testicles of boys,water boarding, torturing with insects, murdering is wrong.
How dare you spin and divert the horrific deeds of the bush crime family into a what is what definition.
April 25th, 2009 at 10:47 pmConservativeForProgress,
April 25th, 2009 at 10:48 pmYou make a compelling argument, but if the techniques used on these detainees were not torture, there would be no need for any legal arguments, but the Bush administration felt the legal justification was needed. Why was the legal coverage needed? I believe we are begging the question.
The entire torture episode has shaken my confidence in the American legal system. All these players had sworn to uphold the law. What they did was to corrupt the law, they need to be held accountable, and I think they know it!
brothabill,
It is a symptom of a mental illness to enjoy inflicting physical harm on others. I hope that when President Obama gets universal health care passed, you are able to get the psychological help you clearly need. Have a good life. Live long and prosper. May the Force be with you. Sweet Jesus in heaven have Mercy on your soul. (I may have made that last one up.)
April 25th, 2009 at 10:57 pmbrothabill Says:
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I LOL @ the pussies of the USA
Of course, if I torture someone, there will be no memos, no witnesses and no one to testify and no jury
So, I do not care as I will never be caught and if I did and I tortured the 9/11 masterminds. There will not be all 12 of the jury that are complete pussies as you guys
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Man brothabill, do you have some big time issues. Don’t think I want to live in your neighborhood. Did you miss your medications for the evening, maybe you need to get laid. I seriously think something isn’t right. Check with your doctor!
April 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pmThe law says Torture is illegal and therefore it has nothing to do with what the people want it’s about enforcing the laws…Just image that you do one of the following Kill/Torture/Beat/Kidnap someone and we take a poll and 50.999 said no, on investigating, what a country.
April 25th, 2009 at 11:15 pmI just saw a headline that read:
“Was Torture Warranted”
This is a big scew up by MSNBC amongst other news outlets unless you can get a warrant to torture, and i just missed that somehow.
I think the question has been answered already NBC!
April 26th, 2009 at 12:13 amProud Says:
How can anyone on the left use the word genocide. Your dear leader can’t seem to use the word when it comes to the Armenians, I guess he doesn’t want to offend his Muslim brothers in Turkey.
You been listening to Rush again haven’t you? Here’s a news flash for you, but you won’t recognize it because it’s the truth, Obama is a Christian just like y.., well me.
Proud Says:
“I don’t give a rip if torture is legal or illegal, it works. These terrorists are not human in any sense of the word, they are animals who need to be destroyed. Grow up kiddies its us or them and I want us to be around after the bell rings.”
There is no hope for you.
Nope, there is no hope for my country if the likes of you are allowed to do what you want. It is illegal to trash the Constitution like Cheney did, obviously you think he’s a hero. The way I see it, if we torture like the terrorists, then we’re no better than them. Me, I think I have higher morals, how about you. My God tells me to love my brothers, which means any human. I might dis-agree with their actions, but they will be treated as I would want to be treated. Unfortunately, that includes you, so you’ll be in my prayers tonight. How will you feel as St Peter reads what you’ve said from his book? I’d say that your views won’t unlock the Pearly Gates; better repent brother.
Proud Says:
Torture stopped the terrorist attack on Los Angeles, case closed.
I’m confused, I watch the news very closely and I haven’t seen any proof of this. Could you quote a source, other than Rush or Billo that is, to prove that the case is closed or is it just your mind?
Now proud if you’re still with me, I know how hard it it for you to read, but let me tell you a little story. I’m proud of the country I served for 26 years in the Navy. Unfortunately that country is hidden by all the BS being put out as patriotism. I was an Aircrewman during Vietnam which meant I had to go through SERE Training. Have you heard of it lately. I thought it was a great training experience and I learned alot about myself. That included that I was made to do the bidding of a person in control of my sleep, food, physical well-being and my breathing. I was water-boarded when the guards took all the officers away and I became the senior enlisted and senior person of the American War Criminals. Two trips to the board and I was convinced that I was in fact in a POW camp and that my life was in danger. I held on as long as I could and then when I couldn’t stand any more I gave in. I fought back by giving false information and adding an extra letter in my name when I signed the confession. My point is I gave them what they wanted, but I fought back as best I could. I agreed with McCain and I admire him, but I disagree with him in regard to fighting a war so I went with Obama, me a military man who had voted for Reagan and supported Bush when he went after bin Laden in Afghanistan.
So now that’s my bona fides, what are your’s other than a screwed up opinion of humanity and a loud mouth. What have you done for your country other than disrespect the very document I risked my life to preserve. Thankfully for you I believe in my country and you’re right to speak, but guess what I have the same right, despite what you and your cockroach buddies think. So if you don’t like what’s happening in my country, then leave. Find a country that has the same belief about human rights and be comfortable, but don’t stink up my country.
April 26th, 2009 at 12:28 amThank you for your service, RetiredSailor, and for your comment. Well done.
April 26th, 2009 at 12:36 amIf anyone is wondering why many people don’t buy newspapers anymore it’s because of headlines like this:
April 26th, 2009 at 12:40 am“Was Torture Warranted”
Well said RetiredSailor post #174. Thanks for your service and insights.
April 26th, 2009 at 1:27 amIt is about JUSTICE! War Crimes were commited. It is not revange, it is MORAL!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:35 amSesli sohbet
April 26th, 2009 at 5:00 amSesli sohbet
Sesli sohbet
Güzellik
Just what in the bleeding eyes of any deity you choose to pray to does political will have to do with prosecuting heinous crimes? Is America so morally bankrupt that we only obey the law when it is politically expedient? fikrin ne?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:18 amJust what in the bleeding eyes of any deity you choose to pray to does political will have to do with prosecuting heinous crimes? Is America so morally bankrupt that we only obey the law when it is politically expedient?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:20 amI am with holding judgment until I hear from the Telibani lawyers and their understanding of Afghanistan’s law as it applies to torture. It is only fair that the playing, war field be level. Both sides need to play by the same rules. The simplest way to solve this problem is for both sides to agree to NO PRISONERS! All are to be shot and left where they lay. But alas, no prisoners no Intel. And this silliness about torture makes for bad information is all BS. I remember one time when I was tortured and I gave out information that was not accurate and my tortures found out about it they came back and really kicked my ass. If this method is used all information gleaned, then proved, from torture will be good information. Iced tea and croissants all around, Dummies!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:33 amThanks for your inputs, SlappyBastinado. Sorry to hear that your were tortured. I guess I have to say that even if torture “eventually” provides useful info (as you stated), it might be too late to use it.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:51 amHi SlappyBastinado:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 amYou talk silly…
You’re just too nice, dbadass ;)
April 26th, 2009 at 10:38 amAh Mr.Wilkerson. From your lips to the ears of the universe. Or failing that, lets hope the DOJ listens.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:50 amCheck out this essay at DK
April 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/26/724137/-New-GOP-torture-meme:-Dems-fault.
I used to respect Colin Powell. Now I realize that he and his staff had their own agenda, as evidenced by this blowhard, Wilkerson.
Our enemies must be laughing their butts off at this insane introspection that you liberals always put us through. Blame America first. Or, at least blame the Repubicans!
I believe that we should avoid anything that would reasonably be construed as “torture”. But one man’s torture is another man’s inconvenience. In the post 9-11 world in which we
face(d) real threats of catastrophic proportions, did our military and the CIA push the definition of torture to the fringe? Probably. But, would you rather be waterboarded or live with the fear of having your head cut off while making videos for your captors like our enemies did? Would you rather be stripped naked or have your plane flown into a skyscraper?
Who among you, if your family were in immediate peril, would not resort to any means possible to save your family, including torture, if that is what it took?! If someone invades your home, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself. Yes, you can legally kill someone in that situation. I am not an advocate for “harsh interogation techniques”, but in light of killing someone, what is waterboarding by comparison if it saves an entire city!!!!! Would your conscience be appeased if you did NOT push the envelope in extracting that information if an entire city perishes as a result?! Do you think perhaps your definition of “torture” might be s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d a little in that situation.
If actual crimes were committed in the defense of this great country of ours, they should be investigated, but with all mitigating circumstances considered as well, and by a non-partisan body. One mitigating factor could be the interogator’s belief, true or not, that perhaps thousands of lives could be at stake. And, a Pelosi or Reid-led congressional hearing would be partisan, divisive, and extremely harmful to our country.
Contrary to what Maddow implies in this clip, the American public does NOT support prosecution of Bush officials. The liberal MSNBC’s own online poll shows that only 41% or respondants support such a move.
Most people like sausage. And, most people would be grossed out to actually watch sausage being made.
Americans want to be safe and preserve our way of life. Wars are messing, ugly, grotesque. However, we live in a very dangerous world in which many brave Americans are prepared to conduct the grotesque in the defense of liberty and the American way. I know many of those brave, committed young men and women.
Let’s have accountability and always seek to learn from the past. We SHOULD claim the moral high ground. However, let’s not wallow in our errors and let’s not politicize the tough decisions that have protected our country from further attacks since 9-11.
April 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
STFU you worthless ignorant punkass troll
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 amConservativeForProgress Says:
You are an ignorant puke. A troll with NO brain whatsoever. How many times are you MORONs going to past that same thing even though we have destroyed that reasoning at least a dozen times when you tried it before. You punks come in here get shredded with idiocy like this, slink away then come back later and post the same weak stupidity. Either you are too stupid for facts to penetrate your thick skull or you just dont CARE about truth, facts, or reality and are nothing more than a liar and a fool
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 amI’m glad you posted this Maddow clip. I was afraid no one was watching. Now it could be as high as 200 viewers if we all pitch in.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm“The Vice President is the sort of person who frightens easily” Talk about calling the man a coward and placing a bra, panties and a dress on him in the most sophisticated Politically correct language I’ve ever heard. JESUS, He called the man a straight “sissy” to his face in a public forum. You Go Colonel!
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