McCain: Bybee Violated The Law, But It Was Just ‘Very Bad Advice’
McCain: Bybee Violated The Law, But It Was Just ‘Very Bad Advice’
Last week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) repeated his view that the United States had conducted torture by authorizing waterboarding. Saying the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times was “unacceptable,” McCain declared, “One is too much. Waterboarding is torture, period.”
However, discussing torture on CBS’s Face the Nation today, McCain insisted, “We’ve got to move on” and ignore the Bush administration’s torture program. Indeed, McCain refused to support the impeachment of Judge Jay Bybee — even as he acknowledged that Bybee had broken both U.S. and international law in authorizing torture:
MCCAIN: He falls into the same category as everybody else as far as giving very bad advice and misinterpreting, fundamentally, what the United States is all about, much less things like the Geneva Conventions. Look, under President Reagan we signed an agreement against torture. We were in violation of that.
McCain claimed that “no one has alleged, quote, wrongdoing” on the part of Bush administration lawyers, only that they had given “bad advice.” And yet minutes later McCain himself acknowledged that Bybee’s advice led the U.S. to be “in violation” of both U.S. and international law. Watch it:
Later on Face the Nation, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who supports holding broad investigations about torture, pointed out that McCain supports a commission to investigate the causes of the financial crisis. “But just as important as losing our money, what happens when we lose our national honor? That’s what we should look at,” Leahy said.
Yesterday, the blogger dday asked Sen Barbara Boxer (D-CA) whether she would support a Congressional inquiry into Bybee, including the possibility of impeachment. “I’m very open to that,” Boxer said. “There is an ongoing investigation at the Justice Department into his work, and we’ll see how that goes. But I’m very open to that. And I’ll remind everyone that I didn’t vote for him when his nomination came up. I was one of 19 to do so.”
Please join our campaign calling on Congress to begin impeachment hearings against Jay Bybee.
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Fingers crossed, here hoping that such radical spin will cause their tiny, empty heads to pop-off…
April 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pmMcCain: Bybee Violated The Law, But It Was Just ‘Very Bad Advice’
And it is against the law for a lawyer to deliberately give ‘bad advice.’
April 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pmbriantanks says:
FLAGGED! OFF TOPIC.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pmBack under your bridge, Troll.
What’s the matter briantanks, got a bee in your bonnet?
Let’s talk, what’s bothering you these days?
April 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pmbriantanks Says:
expect more anti-olbermann to come up in the next few days.
whoop-de-crap trollio. buh-bye
FLAGGED O/T
April 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pmbriantanks – try breaking the pills in half–it seems to be helping Tom DeLay.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pmbriantanks Says:
LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!! I’m mildly annoying!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pmbriantanks makes me miss RR/JK and the rest of the delusional trolls who know never to SPAM.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pmMcCain insisted, “We’ve got to move on” and ignore the Bush administration’s torture program.
- – Punishing those responsible for war crimes is not “scapegoating.” You know what scapegoating is? It’s throwing Lynndie England in jail for following orders given by George W. Bush, while leaving him to live in the luxury of a Dallas suburb.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pmYou know who else gave very bad advice? Charles Manson.
Just sayin’…
April 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pmI spoke too soon it looks like.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThank You, moderators!
April 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pmMcCain is trying to have it both ways again. Didn’t work during the campaign, won’t work now either.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm- – Can TP virtually waterboard this moron, briantanks? And then toss his sorry butt into virtual Gitmo.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pmPetulance and immaturity – Hallmarks of the GOP.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pmIt’s a shame that the Dems are forgoing a credible challenge to McCain next year and focusing all their efforts on the Gov race.
Chris Wilcox should be able to get 30-40% of the primary vote…but that doesnt bruise McCain enough for the general.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pmHmmmmm…briantanks reminds me of another troll who used to do this. Screen Name was Bill Clinton. Same Troll perhaps?
April 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pmI can hear weeping coming from my computer when i scroll by brainspanks posts…
April 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmEnnuiDivine Says:
It’s a shame that the Dems are forgoing a credible challenge to McCain next year and focusing all their efforts on the Gov race.
Chris Wilcox should be able to get 30-40% of the primary vote…but that doesnt bruise McCain enough for the general.
I don’t wish harm to McCain, but who is to say that he’ll be healthy enough to run and/or serve by the time 2010’s election rolls around…jus sayin
April 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pmTweedster says:
April 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pmYeah, I wonder about that too. Robert Byrd comes to mind. I don’t know how he’s still doing it.
Despite being nearly as old as the state he represents (ok, exaggeration, but still)…McCain’s still in pretty good health. Hell, Akaka is 85 and still going strong. Inouye is a few weeks older and he’s up for re-election too.
Of course, McCain could just flat-out choose to retire to one of his 7 houses
April 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmThere all going INSANE and I’m jumping with joy:-).
briantanks really did “tank” damn,I just hope the boy doesn’t go off and do something really drastic, like that punk McVeigh?
April 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmMassive unhinging going on in the reichwingnut corner. One thing the will do is hang together. They will all go down defending their crimes trying to blame the democrats. Wingnuts are crooks, liars, and thugs.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmMcCain is going to be vilified for this by the GOP. But I think McCain might be on his last run as a Senator and he really shows how bad he wants to be President.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pmpsssttt, grampy:
April 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pmit’s pretty simple. you violate the law in this country you go to jail. that’s what being “a nation of laws” means.
When it comes down to it, John McCain is as big a cheerleader for torture as anyone. He places his own political goals above restoring our national honor by bringing those who committed war crimes to justice. Blood is on his hands as surely as it is on those who actually committed these atrocities.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pmLet the games begin! A Rebublica’t stating the OBVIOUS – FINALLY! McGrampy is the sharper tool (less dull) in the Republican’ts tool box I must admit. I think he’s just on cruise control till 2010. He’s got some competition from his own party now so, bye, bye!
FYI, McGrampy looks like Robocop.
Robo Cop
April 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pmHey, what happened to briantanks? Did he get yanked somehow??
April 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pmisn’t it pretty dramatic news that McCain explicitly said that the U.S. under Bush violated the U.N. Convention Against Torture? i wrote my thoughts here: http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/04/mccain-we-violated-geneva-conventions.html
Although McCain said that we now just need to move on, I’m impressed by his ability to speak the truth. To his point about moving on, however, if McCain admits that the Bush administration violated the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Convention Against Torture, that means that the people that formulated the torture policy are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. I just don’t get how you can “move on” from fundamental violations of U.S. and international law that we routinely call on other nations to prosecute.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pmIt’s not illegal if the military industrial Republicans do it. But anything Obama wants to do to fix Bushco’s disasters is the end of America. And then there’s the $9 billion (and counting) missing in Iraq. Now, tell me again how many Repub suits were on the Sunday shows today?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pmI got some “bad advice” on my taxes one year . . . .
Seems the IRS believes in the “rule of law” and with fines and penalties plus interest, my “bad advice” is STILL costing me . . .
Then again wouldn’t a FORMER tortured POW be somewhat sensitive to those that “LEGALIZE” torture like some Reich Judge of bygone ages?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmThat is what is called pretzel logic. McCain twisted himself into a real pretzel with that one.
I’m sorry, but if they wrote a memo trying to make something legal that was clearly illegal, then what they did was illegal and needs to be addressed.
I’m getting tired of the “let’s move on” canard. If there is anything I am really frustrated with Obama on, it is that he ever said this in the first place. If we do not address the sins of the past, they are bound to be repeated.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pmNo, we need accountability and moving on is an irrational excuse to forego that.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pmBadmoodman Says:
- – Punishing those responsible for war crimes is not “scapegoating.” You know what scapegoating is? It’s throwing Lynndie England in jail for following orders given by George W. Bush, while leaving him to live in the luxury of a Dallas suburb.
There’s a part of me that wants to go along with this. But what Lyndie England and Charles Grainer did to those captives seemed to me to be way beyond what they were authorized to do. The fact that they took pictures and acted like it was a party made them into bad guys, in my book. Apparently there were soldiers who refused to participate and didn’t suffer any consequences for using their consciences and good judgment.
That’s not to say that the people who gave the orders shouldn’t be punished, because they should, all the way up the line to the President.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pmbrothabill Says:
McCain is a pussy. Makes me glad I support Obama. Even though he is a pussy and the USA is a bunch of pussies for caring about throwing a bucket of water on the 9/11 mastermind
lol
I only wish I could have those guys you are in love with, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubadah.
I doubt seriously that you support Obama with your attitudes. And no one here is “in love” with either person you mentioned. Just because we believe that we should treat our prisoners humanely, like we hope that other countries will treat our soldiers when in captivity, DOES NOT MEAN that we are “in love” with them. That’s nothing more than your pea brain’s projections.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pmThe US has been bankrupt for some time. We stopped being a creditor nation decades ago. Its physically impossible to pay off the debt[+interest] we have today.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pmNobody is saying they should be freed. But go ahead and be a barbarian like them.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm.
Dear Senator McCain,
Your treatment in a prisoner camp was just bad advice, NO?
.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pmIf McCan’t wants to move forward without prosecutions then he becomes a part of the coverup. That makes him a participant in these international war crimes.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pmFunny thing, BrothaBill, Bush said he didnt care where Osama was…
Is that love or what?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm“McCain: Bybee Violated The Law, But It Was Just ‘Very Bad Advice’”
And Grandpappy McSame can say that it was just very bad advice when he was one of the Senator who voted yes for Bybee’s judgeship. I notice that the Senators who voted for Bybee are not taking personal responsibility for voting for Bybee when Bybee refused to answer many questions in the hearing and ony released 3 OLC memos while he was the head of OLC. And now spineless Sen. Reid is defending Bybee and Reid, himself, voted for Bybee’s judgeship.
Good for Boxer for being open for impeachment and pointing out that she voted against Bybee’s judgeship. The bottom line is that the toture memos speak for itself and Bybee approved of those memo as the head of the OLC. No one is above the law and neither is Judge Bybee.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pmSuch elementary name calling..pointless. Why arent you running around Afghanistan or Iraq or Pakistan trying to find Osama tough guy instead of growing food?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm.
Keeping Judge Bybee in position is a nod to activist Judges, everywhere.
.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm.
WOW,
brothabill hopes America fails…
… Just like a good (R)ushpublickin.
.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pmSo if my lawyer tells me to go out and rob a bank that is ok???After all it was just bad advice!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pmProjection wont help your argument. I notice that everyone else, in your logic, is to blame for everything and you are blameless. Cognitive dissonance.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pmDoes John McCain think that his North Vietnam captors were just given bad advice ?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pmYour irrational. First you claim to be ‘patriotic’ by going after those who planned 911 and being as barbaric as they are then you say you want America to fail, or die, much like Osama, those 911 planners want.
You say America deserves to go broke. Well that, in reality, happened before 911 yet you conflate terrorism with the US going broke..somehow and America deserves to go broke because people are against torture.
WTF?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pmIf my lawyer advises me to go out and rob a bank we should just move on and forget a lawyer intentionally gave bad advice and that my crime should be forgotten because we need to ‘move on’?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pmbrothelDildo,
We should call you Dr. Hate. I will call you Dr. A$$hole.
STFU and leave this country already you dipsh|t!
We don’t care what you think moron!
I was with your wife last night…she’s gonna sue you for divorce once you get to Asstrailia.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pmUmm, John, if it violated the law, then doesn’t that mean it’s a violation of the law, and therefore a crime, as opposed to “bad advice.”
Your senility is getting worse. Retire, now, and enjoy the rest of your life living amongst the cactus in Arizona.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pmBrothabill, you hate the U.S., but want to torture the people responsible for the attack. Since you want us all to die horrible deaths, what’s the diff?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHmmmm, the other day brobill was criticizing our horrible health care system, now he says he wants to imagrate here.
I hope you realize the aussie $ fetches 72 cents US at the moment.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI think the Republicans are hoping that if they just stall long enough, this will all just go away. I hope not, this can be a defining moment in American history, probably the most important in my life-time. I hope we will do the right thing.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmnice blog
April 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pmHI brothabill! Glad to see you found a NEW post to dominate! LOL! You need to get a little more creative though. I’m seeing the same-o-same-o. Come on! I need some new entertainment!
Oh, and death to America and all that crap!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:56 pmYo, there’s the freakshow…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pmOuch! dixie blood pulled out the “wife” card on brothabill. Keep it real people …… We’re here to have FUN right! To vent about our lovely sh!ty political system ……
brothabill, on behalf of TP users, I apologize (as crazy as you may be). hehe.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pmbrothabill
I see you are still here. Did you sleep well? You still sound a little cranky. I was hoping you would be a little more sociable this afternoon. Starting to worry about you last night. Boy did you go off the deep end, thought we lost you.
Hope you are feeling a little better, flight
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm67
April 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pmIs this your new punch?
Oh yes, it is the biggest issue, but we’re pulling it left from the far, far right.
Want to play with me?
April 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pmAnd yet, somehow, still deserves to sit on a Federal Court of Appeals? One step down from a Supreme Court Justice?
That’s some mighty fine ideological contortionism, Lou.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm#61 brothabill –
Like I said. Dr. A$$hole…Dr. Hate…why are you still here?
BTW, McCain sucks anyway and Judge Torture will be impeached regardless of your attempt to distract everyone here from the subject at hand … loser troll..
April 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pmMcCain has no shame and no principles. He’s the classic example of hypocrisy. I stopped listening to him and some other republicans so long ago that I can’t remember. He knows America tortured on the advice of these lawyers, but wants to provide cover for them. I wonder why? Is it because he was not tortured while in the custody of the North Vietnamese? I read a very interesting article in both Alternet and the UKGuardian during the presidential campaign period. It was an interview with one of McCain’s former guards. The guard says McCain was not tortured because he was the son & grandson of high level Navy officials. I take whatever he has to say on torture with a grain of salt because I know if I’d been tortured, I wouldn’t provide cover for anybody. IMO, his principles are in question because for someone who was riding/flying around in the conveyances with Straight Talk Express clearly visible for all to see, he isn’t doing any straight talking about whether the lawyers who green lighted the use of torture were acting in an illegal way. If they did not understand the international agreements America had signed condemning torture, then why were they working as our top lawyers? And if they did not understand separation of powers and checks and balances as written in the constitution, why were they DOJ lawyers anyway?
April 26th, 2009 at 6:25 pmNo Johnnie: It wasn’t bad advise, it was a lie. From the timeline of events it appears the torture had already happened and then the administration went to Bybee and had him backfill the memo to cover their asses. Why did they destroy the video tapes of the interrogations? If you have to do waterboarding 83 times, you didn’t read the instructions! This is a crime and should be cleared up for the American people who you republican thugs are lying to.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pmSo if he’d suggested that killing them while torturing them wasn’t illegal, it would have simply been an innocent instance of giving “bad advice”?
April 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pmRemember that picture of McCain giving George Bush a big hug and practically licking his nether regions. Well, he’s still at it….No integrity! You just can’t take this man seriously. If he and the rest of the neocon junkies continue with this line, they should be relegated to the sidelines of serious policy debate.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pmI hope that people are not only engaging in this debate but are also keeping aware of upcoming legislation [which the media, it seems, left middle or right is anemic to]
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/schedules.html
April 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pmS.386
Title: A bill to improve enforcement of mortgage fraud, securities fraud, financial institution fraud, and other frauds related to federal assistance and relief programs, for the recovery of funds lost to these frauds, and for other purposes.
This, I think, needs more attention.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:01 pmSeriously? Your trying to push this after eight years on non-stop terror fears and alerts from a (R) president?
Why Cheney is still pushing this fear…has he gone far left?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pmYet you hope the US fails..just like Osama Bin Laden does.
Lets grow potatoes and get whisky drunk instead!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:09 pmIf McCain and his Republican masters can characterize this as “bad advice”, I would hate to use them as a frame of reference for anything.
Bad advice is buying that dress that makes you look fat. Bad advice is a lousy hair cut the salon suggested. Bad advice is the shoes that look lousy after you bought them.
So the rush to torture and the memo saying, hey it’s legal, is now reduced to bad advice? My brother was water boarded and other torture as well during the WW2 in a German prison camp. His son says when he first heard the debate, he let out a howl you could hear all across Missouri.
I am still waiting for one of these talking heads on Fox, or one of these SOB’s that have never fought in a war or had to face anything more difficult then a traffic jam. Has Hannity done it yet? He said he would.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pmCheck out this Newsweek article coming this week and available now on line:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pmhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/195089
brothabill,
April 26th, 2009 at 8:24 pmLose money in the Madoff scam?
Money
Honor
Bush ruined everything.
Now the republicans refuse to help and say they are proud of themselves.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
The far left cares more about terrorists’ rights than the security of American citizens. Sad.
No, the far left cares more about our country having the moral right to claim nations should live by the rule of law. Bush and Cheney destroyed that. Sad.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
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The far left cares more about terrorists’ rights than the security of American citizens. Sad.
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It is called the rule of law, Sparky, something the reichwingnuts in the GOP have abused all my life. Watergate, bombing Cambodia, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and lying us into an unnecessary war and using torture. The timeline of the events will blow you rubbernecks away. The timeline convicts Bush and Cheney before they backfilled with a bogus memo from an ambulance chasing lawyer. Rethugs are criminals.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pmTerrorists’ rights? Were they terrorists? If they were, then surely there was enough evidence to try them in court, yes?
Just as strong evidence proves much, weak evidence suggests more. Examples of evidence that the Government cited as proof that the detainees were enemy combatants includes the
following:
Associations with unnamed and unidentified individuals and/or organizations;
Associations with organizations, the members of which would be allowed into the United States by the Department of Homeland Security;
Possession of rifles;
Use of a guest house;
Possession of Casio watches; and
Wearing of olive drab clothing.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmlink
April 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pmBybee gave bad advice, and now there are dead and injured as a direct result.
So… what comes next DOJ? Do you need approval to proceed?
Is the Rethuglistani party too big to fail?
OMG.
When torture comes to america…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmshould’ve asked mcinsane when the qualifications for federal judges started including “giving very bad advice and misinterpreting, fundamentally, what the United States is all about”. Last I knew, those were kinda fundamental to the job.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:53 pmThe only way Flippy McSpin could lose more credibility is if he started mooning people from overpasses with “Fcuk You” tattooed on his ass.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:06 amYa, Don’t forget “so?” That also works well.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:59 ambad advice
this country has slipped to new lows.
first capitalism then imperialism then wars for profits then torture.
we americans have become self righteous.
wealth can be as harsh a teacher as poverty.
until most americans look into a mirror and see themselves as imperialists nothing much will change.
we will be in iraq for decades and afghan will kick our butts out of their country like they did russia.
afghan will be obama’s vietnam wait and see.
his generals will lead him down a long lonely path like they did to lbj in nam.
always more troops more troops to win.
sad day to be an american a country that tortures.
and europe and the demos are spineless for not putting bush jr up for war crimes. spineless.
at least the ladies in pink are not spineless.
my heros all of them.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Are terrorists rights really the biggest issue the far left has to push right now. Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Are you really this stupid? REALLY? Do you have any evidence that ONLY terrorists were tortured? No in fact we KNOW otherwise you worthless asswipe. You are a punk. A coward who doesnt care if all our values are destroyed as long as YOU feel better. COWARD. Why dont you just STFU at least until you have some dim idea what you are talking about.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 amConservativeForProgress Says:
The far right doesnt care about America at ALL. Not our values not our country. They are a bunch of cowardly punks too scared, stupid, and pathetic to care about anything except how scared they are. CFP. Stop embarassing America. We are NOT cowards like you. We BELIEVE in doing what is right even when it is the hard thing. We understand cowards like you ONLY care about yourself and how you feel. America will not be governed that way. Based on what cowards like you are afraid of. You pathetic punk just accept your irrelevance. Go back to shivering under your mommy’s bed
April 27th, 2009 at 5:49 amForgot to mention, not only is he a drywall doctor, he’s such an alcoholic he’s taking medicine to curb the cravings.
You’re not Irish
Irish folks don’t spout off at the mouth. They’ve too much experience dealing with the ramifications of such immature behavior (a$$-kicking) to act so childishly. They have pride which requires no immature boasting and taunting.
You’ve done a top-notch job of proving what a complete fcuking liar you are.
Goodbye loser, don’t let the door hit you and kill you on the way out…
April 27th, 2009 at 8:33 amWhere McCain gets the idea that supporting techniques he has previously decried as torture in order to appease the GOP base, which will somehow raise his sinking stature among the American electorate is as bizarre as his admitting the US violated domestic and international law in conducting torture, but that no one should care about it, is beyond belief.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am‘There’s a part of me that wants to go along with this. But what Lyndie England and Charles Grainer did to those captives seemed to me to be way beyond what they were authorized to do. The fact that they took pictures and acted like it was a party made them into bad guys, in my book. Apparently there were soldiers who refused to participate and didn’t suffer any consequences for using their consciences and good judgment.’
All of those actions were part of a coordinated effort by the administration to use whatever means necessary in their paranoid, delusional belief that Americans would support any tactic they employed REGARDLESS of legality and morality.
Dumbya gambled heavily on this AND LOST, but so far the only ones made to pay were the ‘few bad apples,’ and the real authors of this nightmare are still free.
Perhaps not for long.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am‘Are terrorists rights really the biggest issue the far left has to push right now. Really?’
It’s called HUMAN RIGHTS; are you so ready to forgo them in order to support Dumbya?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am‘The far left cares more about terrorists’ rights than the security of American citizens. Sad.’
So, you’re pleased/satisfied/congratulatory about the results of 8 years of secretive, illegal, immoral BushCo incompetence?
2 failed wars, an economy in ruins and America more polarized than ever before?
The Left actually cares about HUMAN RIGHTS; are you going to defend these techniques when they are used on captured US soldiers?
Get bent.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:38 amBank robber 1: I just stood in the bank and held a gun.
Bank robber 2: I just told everybody to stay down on the floor.
Bank robber 3: I just opened the vault.
Bank robber 4: I just took the money out
Bank robber 5: I just drove the getaway car.
Bank robbers 1-5: None of us robbed the bank.
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