Kilmeade: McCain ‘Should Not Be Allowed To Talk On Torture’ Because ‘He Was Tortured’
Kilmeade: McCain ‘Should Not Be Allowed To Talk On Torture’ Because ‘He Was Tortured’
On CBS’ Face The Nation this past Sunday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said that “resignation would be a decision” that Judge Jay Bybee, who authored one of the recently released torture memos, “would have to make on his own.” McCain added that Bybee had “fundamentally” misinterpreted “what the United States is all about, much less things like the Geneva Conventions.”
On the Brian And The Judge radio show yesterday, Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade responded to McCain’s argument by saying that the former prisoner of war “should not be allowed to talk on torture because he is clearly somebody who went through unspeakable pain and punishment”:
KILMEADE: But he was tortured, he was tortured.
NAPOLITANO: And his views of torture are irrelevant?
KILMEADE: Are skewed.
NAPOLITANO: Because of what happened to him?
KILMEADE: Are skewed.
NAPOLITANO: I think his views are particularly telling.
KILMEADE: But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?
NAPOLITANO: No, of course he’s not going to be pro-torture.
Listen here:
McCain, who was tortured during the Vietnam war, responded last week to the revelation that the U.S. had waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times by saying, “One is too much. Waterboarding is torture, period.” After saying McCain shouldn’t be able to talk about torture, Kilmeade added, “and plus, I don’t think this is torture.”
Transcript:
NAPOLITANO: You may not know the name, unless you live in California. Jay Bybee was a professional researcher for the Justice Department when he authored the principle of, the main one, of the torture memos. President Bush awarded him by appointing him to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. That’s the level of appellate court just below the Supreme Court. He was appointed to the Ninth Circuit, which covers the western third of the United States. There’s a lot of pressure on Jay Bybee, on Judge Bybee now because these memorandum, which obviously were not known about during the time of his confirmation came out. Here’s what John McCain had to say about it yesterday:MCCAIN: Well, a resignation would be a decision he would have to make on his own, but he falls into the same category as everybody else as far as giving very bad advice and misinterpreting fundamentally what the United States is all about, much less things like the Geneva Conventions. Under President Reagan, we signed an agreement against torture. We were in violation of that.
KILMEADE: Oh come on. Number one, we all know John McCain’s not a lawyer, this guy is. Number two, judge, you knew at that time this was…
NAPOLITANO: This is your guy.
KILMEADE: No, he’s not my guy. I like John McCain, I respect him, but there’s a lot of issues I don’t understand. Plus, he should not be allowed to talk on torture because he is clearly somebody who went through unspeakable pain and punishment
NAPOLITANO: What do you mean he shouldn’t be allowed to talk? He has an opinion like everybody else. He represents the state of Arizona.
KILMEADE: But he was tortured, he was tortured.
NAPOLITANO: And his views of torture are irrelevant?
KILMEADE: Are skewed.
NAPOLITANO: Because of what happened to him?
KILMEADE: Are skewed.
NAPOLITANO: I think his views are particularly telling.
KILMEADE: But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?
NAPOLITANO: No, of course he’s not going to be pro-torture.
KILMEADE: And plus, I don’t think this is torture. And they don’t subscribe to the Geneva Conventions. We had this debate in 2002. You were on our set, you were on constantly saying, look, they don’t, the way the courts look at it right now, they do not fall under the Geneva Conventions and that was what they were going under.
NAPOLITANO: I never said that they didn’t fall under the Geneva Conventions.
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Crazy like a FOX News tool.
People with experience should be ignored, those with none are the only ones who should be listened to.
That explains a lot.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:18 amSo lemme get this straight. Kilmeade is an objective expert because he has never been tortured, and McCain is “skewed” because he has?
Following this logic, Neil Armstrong is “skewed” on the subject of space travel because he’s been to the moon and back. Combat veterans are “skewed” on the subject of military battle because they’ve been shot at. Mothers are “skewed” on the subject of childbirth because they’ve…well, you get the idea.
It’s when Kilmeade says, “But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?” that he makes it quite clear that what he’s really saying is, “McCain shouldn’t be allowed to talk about torture because he doesn’t agree with me on the subject.”
April 28th, 2009 at 11:18 amshorter Faux: Anyone who knows what it’s all about should be ignored.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:18 amKilmeade: McCain ‘Should Not Be Allowed To Talk On Torture’ Because ‘He Was Tortured’ »
– - In a battle of wits, Kilmeade is unarmed.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:18 amSO, by that logic, Kilmeade should not be able to comment on mental illness
April 28th, 2009 at 11:21 amAnother example of wingnuttery from FAUX Noise.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:21 amHmmm, if experience doesn’t count, that sort of torpedoes that whole “Obama will be a bad President because he lacks experience” argument doesn’t it?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am[...]he should not be allowed to talk on torture because he is clearly somebody who went through unspeakable pain and punishment
Wha? Isn’t that the very reason why McCain should be allowed to speak up?
Is Kilmeade saying no people with any mount of actual experience should talk, specially if that means they are going to disagree with him?
That Kilmeade -so stupid, so Republican.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:22 amSort of ruins that “listen to the generals on the ground” policy, doesn’t it?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:23 ammisscoleopteramolly Says:
It’s when Kilmeade says, “But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?” that he makes it quite clear that what he’s really saying is, “McCain shouldn’t be allowed to talk about torture because he doesn’t agree with me on the subject.”
Beat me to it, as usual.
KILMEADE: But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?
If he’s not “pro-torture” then he shouldn’t be allowed to speak. It’s a pretty blatant demonstration of the Republican understanding of free speech.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:24 amSo Kilmeade can’t discuss erectile dysfunction.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amAnd “should not be allowed to talk” clearly indicates who is trying to stifle dissent, doesn’t it?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amIs that Hannity’s excuse?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:26 amOh, and now we know why Joe the Plumber has such a prominent speaking role for the Republicanics.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:27 amKilmeade has really outdone himself on this one. Not only is his “reasoning” absolutely ludicrous, he has said that the comments of McCain (an actual war vet) cannot be trusted. And Fox losers calls other anti-American?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amBy all means, let’s listen to what a D list shock jock has to say about the Geneva Conventions!
April 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amSo Kilmeade is pro-torture then? But doesn’t think waterboarding is torture anyway? This guy is worth less than zero.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:29 amKilmeade has dishonored both our country and the uniform with his vomit.
Hey Kilmeade, If your son or daughter or yourself were tortured by terrorists, would you still not call it torture? Would you not be allowed to talk about it? But what do you think Kilmeade, are you going to be pro-torture if you went through it?
STFU! You idiot have NO right to speak.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:31 amPro-torture ?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:31 amMust be the opposite of anti-torture.
Or would that be con-torture ?
So Kilmeade basically admits that if he were tortured, he would then be against it. Doesn’t that tell him anything?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:31 amThe problem that this issue now brings up, according to Kilmeade’s logic, is that no one can now be trusted with their opinion.
Those who have experience regarding torture cannot form an opinion on torture, because they are skewed towards one direction or the other.
However, those who haven’t had experience regarding torture also cannot form an opinion on torture, as they have no idea what they are talking about, correct?
Kilmeade’s fallacy is that he only believes those who have his voice on torture. An opinion should be formed by listening to all sides of the argument, and by dismissing McCain’s words Kilmeade has just about defined the opposite of “fair and balanced”.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:32 amAh, the mindset of the Republican Party.
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”
-Sir Winston Churchill
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer
The problem with the right is that it is stuck on stage two. Don’t think they’ll ever make it to stage three.
“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.”
Flannery O’Connor
True that!
April 28th, 2009 at 11:32 amIsn’t it obvious the party of torture is running scared and desperate knowing they will either be voted out of public office or locked in prison or both?
What a bunch of fricking hillbillies.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:33 amKilmeade is right in step with his good-buddy Reich-wingers that simply can never be confronted with truth, only their own slanted propaganda. They’ve been so brain washed that there can be no truth but theirs. No one knows anything about anything but them. Sort of like when we all thought the earth was flat.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:33 amWaterboard Kilmeade!
April 28th, 2009 at 11:35 amSo Kilmeade is against free speech…no big surprise there.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:35 amI think Kilmeade is also saying that Hitchens shouldnt be allowed to speak on torture.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:36 amYa beat me to it, Tweedster.
It’s pretty clear that Kilmeade just outed himself as being “pro-torture”.
Thank about that for a second.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am….
kilmeade,
when he isn’t trolling here as
reality christ he hosts a
tv show and a radio show.
how does he do it?
:)
:)
April 28th, 2009 at 11:40 amI’d like to hear some veterans weigh in on this one.
.
Perhaps this is why most Republican politicians and all FAUX News pundits avoid military service like the plague. Having actual experience in the issues they’re talking about might “skew their judgement.” Yeah, that’s it.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:43 amI think the part that upsets me the most is people like this…along with Limpbaugh, Insannity, Bachmann and the rest of these experts are allowed to spew this kind of stuff and to carry on unchallenged.
I wish the our brave news commentators (sarcasm intended) would start holding some of these accountable for their comments by challenging their accuracy, sources, and content.
They need to be fair and hold both sides, Democrat and Republican, to the same standards. If Democrats step on themselves, they need to be called out on it as well.
Sometimes the media seems more concerned about ratings and being entertaining than reporting the news…Is CNN afraid of Rush also?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am“should not be allowed to talk on torture….”
Did we repeal the First Amendment while I slept?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:45 amWait! I’m confused.
If Kilmeade believes that waterboarding is NOT torture, why can’t McCain comment on it?
This don’t make no sense!
Unless, of course, Kilmeade truly does believe it is torture, and is getting mixed signals in his tiny brain trying to follow lock and step with Oxybreath.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:46 amTo the pro torture Rethugs, freedom of speech only apply to themselves and those who agree with them. These idiots are the true anti-Americans.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:47 amKILMEADE: But what do you think, he’s going to be pro-torture after having been through it?
There it is folks in black and white.
THE GOP IS PRO-TORTURE.
Sick fcuking bunch of degenerates.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amGreat segment on Countdown last night:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#30443351
We need more military to come forward and embarrass these chickenhawks.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amVeteran military interrogators have weighed in on this one on various newspaper op-ed columns. They have said torture does not work. What HAS worked is the “good cop,” not “bad cop,” approach. When one of them befriended a prisoner, the prisoner gave up good information. THAT was effective. As for Kilmeade’s contention that McCain “should not be allowed to talk on torture” because McCain was tortured, well, this fits nicely with Faux News’ general MO, which is to cover up the truth (like not airing Obama’s live press conference) that doesn’t agree with the conservatives’ skewed view of the world. Faux = propaganda.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:50 amThese people are just sick and have no idea what this Nation is all about. They are the ones who think it is alright to say one thing and do something else as if to tell other nations to “do as I say not as I do”.
I would like to see a “pay-per-view” show where we got to see all these torture proponents water-boarded with all the proceeds going toward the National debt or some other good cause.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amAnd retired generals should not be allowed to talk on military matters because they were part of the military…..
….only in reich-wing world….
And the reich wing nazi loving fascists call us the America haters? We know who the real America haters are now. The ones who defend this indefensible criminal act. What a bunch of derranged psychopaths. Kilmeade needs to die.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amEvery time I hear things like this (from left or right), I find myself asking how my grandparents would have reacted. I’m fairly confident they would have found this sort of behavior crass and immature, regardless of how they felt about national security.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amNo biggie. We can just change Kilmeade’s mind by torturing him. Then he won’t be for torture any more. According to him…
Does it strike anyone else as odd to say that “I believe X, but if I had undergone any experience with it, I’d believe -X.” Isn’t that kind of an admission that you know that what you say you “believe” is false?
April 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amspring heeled jack Says:
Great segment on Countdown last night:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#30443351
We need more military to come forward and embarrass these chickenhawks.
Agreed.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:54 amFox News = TRAITORS
Fox News = America haters.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:57 amMcCain definitely has a unique perspective on torture. In general it seems like victims’ views are afforded weight by officials in this country. It’s part of the reason why we have so many laws named after victims. Either the victim or their family was called to testify and the victim’s name was attached to the bill for propaganda purposes.
And, of course, as a United States Senator, McCain has a rather official soapbox which means his views would be heard whether he was a victim or not.
What I find disappointing is that McCain criticizes torture in the abstract, but does not work to bring those who have tortured in our name to justice. He allows political expediency to override his personal views even on this matter.
If we can’t count on John McCain to seek an end to these atrocities and to help bring those who have committed war crimes to justice then the fight to restore the honor and dignity of the United States is probably already lost.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:59 amJesus was tortured so he shouldnt be allowed to speak about his torture because, you know, he would be against it.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:59 amThe great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. So if you tell a lie, make it big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. ~ Adolf Hitler
April 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pmSo keep it up peabrain…the people in this country are smarter than you think they are.
To these right wing Nazi punks, Jesus would welcome torture and deny that it is.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm“So lemme get this straight. Kilmeade is an objective expert because he has never been tortured, and McCain is “skewed” because he has?”
That looks to be Kilmeade’s “logic” on the matter. Ugh, the stupid, it hurts.
“Waterboard Kilmeade!”
I don’t see why he’d have any problem agreeing to that. After all, Kilmeade said that waterboarding is just a wet washcloth on the prisoner and agreed with his dumb as a box of rocks co-hort Steve Doocy who said they don’t get dunked in the water…..you just kind of splash some water on ‘em.
“So Kilmeade is against free speech…no big surprise there”
You are right, no surprise. Kilmeade is the same moron who said that the Bush administration should start an Office of Censorship to screen (censor) news reports. He even admitted that he’s “more into the ends justifying the means”.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pmfletc3her Says:
And, of course, as a United States Senator, McCain has a rather official soapbox which means his views would be heard whether he was a victim or not.
What I find disappointing is that McCain criticizes torture in the abstract, but does not work to bring those who have tortured in our name to justice. He allows political expediency to override his personal views even on this matter.
If he’d been able to take any kind of principled stand on any issue during the campaign, he might have picked up a lot more votes. It was kind of pathetic. I would have been bummed at watching his downward spiral into waffling on everything he was supposed to have believed in, except for there was the other guy who was awesome, so it all worked out.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pmKilmeade makes no sense. Who better to say whether or not waterboarding is torture than someone (like McCain) who has experienced what being tortured is like. Kilmeade is sadistic.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:04 pmI’d love to see Kilmeade get waterboarded along with Hannity and all the rest of the MFs that think it’s not torture. Until they have the experience they should just STFU.
Torture denying trolls in in 3…. 2…. 1….
April 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pmDo these guys even know that that is some totally f’d up logic?
And I am pretty sure that their audience doesn’t have the brain power to figure it out.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI feel safe saying Kilmeade has no trouble whatsoever torturing logic here.
This is one for the Idiot’s Hall of Shame™…
April 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pmMcCain should renounce republican-ism, cross the aisle and become a Democrat just to spite the Repuke Conservanazis.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pmKilmeade makes no sense. Who better to say whether or not waterboarding is torture than someone (like McCain) who has experienced what being tortured is like. Kilmeade is sadistic.
I’d love to see Kilmeade get waterboarded along with Hannity and all the rest of the MFs that think it’s not torture. Until they have the experience they should just STFU.
THIS should be on You Tube for all to see. Just for the lulz.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pmKilmeade’s logic is torture!!!!
April 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmOT Breaking News
Senator Arlen Spector to switch parties!
April 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmLest any of us forget, McCain also admitted that when he was imprisoned and tortured, he routinely gave out BAD information, MISinformation, information that would do the enemy no good whatsoever…
Of course, say what you will about McCain’s abilities as a pilot or his propensity at hotdogging, the man had some degree of training when it came to withstanding torture. Unlike many of the bonehead Republicans who haven’t. Therein lies the rub – most people who are pro-torture are the pants-wetters who’d give up real information in a heartbeat were they captured. Come on, if Rush or Hannity or O’Reilly and Kilmeade had info vital to our national security and got captured, how long do you think any of those giant pussholes last? Hell, I think they’d be balling as soon as they were thrown into the back of a van, let alone put in a room with an agent of torture.
But Kilmeade’s comments are quite telling for another reason (a reason that none of us really need to be reminded of, I’m sure), and it’s a reason why the numer of people who identify themselves as Republicans is shrinking to the low 20s. The base of the party, and its cheerleaders in the media, are all about the smiting of enemies. And everyone is an enemy. Dissent isn’t something to just be silenced, it must be stopped, and in a way that it will prevent others from ever speaking up. It’s why wingnuts are shooting up progressive churches. It’s why abortion clinics get bombed. It’s why the Bushies waterboarded (and worse) people who didn’t know anything – if they can keep us afraid and cowed, then we won’t stop them from doing whatever we want to do. You’re a traitor if you disagree with the war on Iraq. You’re a traitor if you believe torture is wrong. You’re a traitor if you take drugs, because that money goes to our enemies. You’re a traitor if you ever speak up against the (Republican) Administration, because it emboldens our enemies. And you’re a traitor if you DON’T speak out against the (Democratic) Administration because THEY’RE emboldening our enemies. Listen to us. Do what we say (though not necessarily what we do) and we’ll tell you when you’re being a good American and we’ll DEFINITELY tell you when you’re being a traitor. They feel their patriotism is rightwous and just, and woe to the unbelievers.
So when you hear a big girl like Brian Kilmeade or Beck or any of these interchangeable pussholes try to belittle the voice of a veteran, or someone against torture, or anyone who disagrees with them, just be aware that they are sadistic, and they are cowards. They want to do to others that which scares them silly, and they also want to do it to those who would try to stop them from doing anything else they want. Their vision of a utopia involves a long undergrouond tunnel of anti-Americans waiting their turn to be punished for questioning their belief system. And for 8 years, they pretty much got their wish. See what kind of good that brought us.
Never forget.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmExplains a LOT about how Republicans can only want to hire cronies for government positions instead of competent experienced people.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pmI’m calling this ‘America’s Torture Moment’.
It’s all over the news, it’s got legs, and we need to keep it right on top of the daily news cycle.
This is America’s defining moment.
This discussion will shape our Country’s character, define our relationships around the Earth and reflect who we ‘really are’ for the foreseeable future.
-Don’t quit talking about torture.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm-Challenge anyone defending the Bybee / Yoo torture mandate.
-Speak with confidence…the United States DOES NOT TORTURE!
-Tell your family. Tell your Church. Tell your neighbors.
Here’s to welcoming Senator Specter into the light
April 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pmOh hell yes they would mind Dr. Hussein Matt.
From the prior thread:
hanshiro the antlion Says:
WOW! Reagan DoJ convicted TX Sheriff for waterboarding in 1983 (via D-Kos)
George W. Bush’s Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near-drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn’t even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.
Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case – which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later – was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.
At the trial of the Texas sheriff, Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott Woodward said the prisoners who were subjected to waterboarding were not “model citizens” but they were still “victims” of torture.
“We make no bones about it. The victims of these crimes are criminals,” Woodward said, according to a copy of the trial transcript. One of the “victims” was Vernell Harkless, who was convicted of burglary in 1977.
Gregg Magee, a deputy sheriff who testified against Sheriff Parker and three of the deputies said he witnessed Harkless being handcuffed to a chair by Parker and then getting “the water treatment.”
“A towel was draped over his head,” Magee said, according to court documents. “He was pulled back in the chair and water was poured over the towel.”
Harkless said he thought he was “going to be strangled to death,” adding: “I couldn’t breathe.”
One of the defendants, Deputy Floyd Allen Baker, said during the trial that he thought torture to be an immoral act but he was unaware that it was illegal. His attorneys cited the “Nuremberg defense,” that Baker was acting on orders from his superiors when he subjected prisoners to waterboarding.
But the jury in the Baker’s case didn’t buy the “didn’t know it was illegal” defense, convicting the deputy on three counts of civil rights and constitutional violations related to the waterboarding.
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But the jury in the Baker’s case didn’t buy the “didn’t know it was illegal” defense, convicting the deputy on three counts of civil rights and constitutional violations related to the waterboarding.
The link contains a wealth of information, links, etc., including a PDF link to the original case.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Oh my. Too bad for Dumbya that he’s such an incredibly stupid fcuking moron.
AWAY TO THE GALLOWS!
April 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pmShepard Smith, on Fox News, yelled at the top of his voice…
‘AMERICA DOESN’T PHUCKING TORTURE!’
Of course, Fox isn’t showing it.
That clip should go viral; perhaps it has already, but it’s the only truthful moment I’ve ever seen on Fox.
Good on’ya, Shep
April 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pmZimzone Says:
Ask your grandparents (most of whom are likely vets) their feelings about America’s use of torture.
Question their allegiance to a political party which is pro-torture.
Question ANYONE, EVERYONE, don’t let this die.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmtexasrick Says:
Sometimes the media seems more concerned about ratings and being entertaining than reporting the news…Is CNN afraid of Rush also?
I don’t think that is “sometimes”, it’s more like always. It is very sad what has happened to our so-called “news” reporting in today’s climate. We have 80% of the MSM owned and operated by conservatives who control what we see and hear. The only time they get near publishing the truth is when the Internet finds it and they have no choice but to publish it.
I am hoping that the breakup of the monopolies in our MSM is on President Obama’s very long to-do list. On the other hand, it may not be necessary. They may are pretty much killing themselves already. I foresee a day where 80% of the people in this country get their news from the Internet, the one source the conservatives can’t control.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmI like the idea of the PPV event. We could square off the progressives against the reich. Olberman vs. OReilly. Ed Schultz against Hannity. Limpjaw against, well, my 15 year old daughter could whoop him. As far as Kilmeade , we could get soldier-dressed male prostitute Jeff Gannon and have him waterboard board Kilmeade. Gives new meaning to the phrase “trickle down theory”
April 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Hooding and gagging isn’t torture. I wonder if reich-wingers wouldn’t mind if these techniques were used by police departments?
To these reich wing criminals, raping children at Abu Ghraib isn’t torture.
I wonder if reich wingers wouldn’t mind if these techniques were used against their children.
But then again, they are the party of pedos. They probably wouldn’t mind it at all.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pmWhere are the trolls?
Oh wait…. They are hanging around in the kiddie chats.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pmI’ll put up a $1,000 to start the ‘Waterboard Hannity Insanity’ event.
Put the water where your mouth is, Hannity & Kilmeade.
Both of you are chickenhawk chickenshits.
America is tired of the loudest mouths directing our morals.
If waterboarding ISN’T torture, you have no reason to refuse.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pmZimzone Says:
I’ll put up a $1,000 to start the ‘Waterboard Hannity Insanity’ event.
I’ll raise it to $2,000.
*Plunks money on table*.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmGod I wish someone would torture Kilmeade so we wouldn’t have to hear his opinion on the subject any further !
April 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmThe thing that these guys don’t even consider about torture is what it does to the Person who does the torturing (in this case American Troops). What happens to The Humanity of these people?
People who torture other people either end up as alcoholics or drug addicts or depressed or suicidal because they cannot deal with the guilt of what they did to another human being.
Or they go the other way, and become more authoritarian and become Security guards or police or what have you (wouldn’t you like to get stopped by one of these guys for a traffic violation?).
Either way, you have damaged people out there and on our streets.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pmOf all the tools in the Fox shed, Kilmeade has always struck me as the one who was probably held back a couple of times in elementary school, and only made it to h.s. graduation because of a relative on the school board.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmI wonder if Kilmeade has a criminal record.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pmSo I guess whenever soomeone on FAUX brings one of their so-called “experts” on their show to talk about a particular subject we shouldn’t listen. HOLD UP!! Now we know why FAUX always gets it wrong, those experts have never had whatever they’re talking about happen to them, GOT IT!!
Idiot!!
John McCain can talk about torture all he wants, its everything else he should shut up about, but torture, he knows what he speaks.
RIP
April 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Wait, wait, wait, President Bush said we weren’t torturing anybody. Is Kilmeade calling Bush a liar?
April 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pmDid you all catch Countdown last night? For the first time in a long time he told me something I didn’t already know. He said that the first torture memos described waterboarding in a way that the CIA was immediately violating the terms of the memo, so they had to come up with subsequent memos to justify this form of torture. The last memo said it wasn’t torture because they would have a physician present to perform a tracheotomy in case it was needed.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pmThis sounds like the GOP STAND on GLOBAL WARMING! People that *KNOW* something ABOUT THE TOPIC shouldn’t be PERMITTED TO SPEAK!! ROTFL! Yep, REPUBLICANS HATE FACTS ALRIGHT!! ROTFL!
and that’s the reason why Kilmeade believes McCain should not be allowed to speak on torture since McCain experienced it himself. If anyone should be an expert on torture, it’s McCain. The Republihillbillies hate facts as you suggested. It scares them when they are called out on their bullcrap.
Killmeade is not an expert. He’s a phoney. A tool for the reich wing torturewhoring regime.
He has no right to phuck with one’s freedom of speech. Especially the freedom of speech of one who has experienced torture and knows it’s torture.
He needs his teeth busted in real fast.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pmOff to work people. I’m out. c’ya.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pmA very self-serving quibble on Kilmeade’s part. Yes, I suppose you can technically argue that a man who’s been forcibly subjected to torture in the past is likely to have a bias against torture. However, I would dispute the implicit assumption that all biases are equal and therefore invalid alike. There is the bias of someone who has little or no actual experience with the thing which they favor or oppose — someone who may not have ever even given much thought to the reasons why they have this bias or to have questioned whether or not there’s any actual truth in it, but simply repeated it in knee-jerk parrot-fashion because that’s easier than facing the fears which usually underlie such biases. Racism and other forms of prejudice would probably fit in this category for the most part. In contrast, there is the bias of someone who has at least some direct experience with the thing which they favor or oppose — this person is at least marginally more likely to have thought about the reasons why they have this bias and to have somewhat sound arguments supporting it.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pmIn a country where the former President claimed, “We do not torture,” Kilmeade only wants to hear from people who are “pro-torture?” My brain hurts trying to reason that one.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:00 pmSo let me get this straight.
Sane people are supposed to respect the views of those who SUPPORT TORTURE?
Should we also respect the views of those who support:
-paedophilia?
-wife beating?
-bestiality?
Hey Kilmeade.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pmDo you ever think before you open your mouth?
Moron.
We should absolutely never allow experts or the experienced to speak on issues they know about. Rape victims shouldn’t get to speak about violence against women. Victims of gun violence should not be allowed to speak out on gun control. And, of course, tortured war veterans should never, never be permitted to speak our against torture.
Makes perfect sense.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pmWell, of course Kilmeade doesn’t want McCain to talk about torture — and it’s not because McCain is biased, but rather simply because it’s much more convenient for him and others like him for McCain to siddown and shaddup. All this blather over McCain’s bias is just a ruse, and my guess is that they know that as well as I do. The specific words which Kilmeade used suggest that he doesn’t just want to discredit McCain’s opinion. He doesn’t think that McCain should be allowed to voice an opinion at all — that he should instead excuse himself like someone called up for jury duty who realizes that s/he is personally acquainted with the plaintiff, the defendant, or one of the attorneys in the case for which s/he is currently undergoing voir dire and might as a result find it difficult to be impartial even in the face of the evidence. This is, of course, because McCain’s personal experience as a victim of torture while a POW in Vietnam gives him all the more power to refute the arguments which people like Kilmeade are trying to use in support of it. If McCain were a judge on the Supreme Court presiding over a case which involves the US government’s use of torture, it might then be appropriate for Kilmeade to ask that McCain recuse himself and refrain from commenting — but such is not the case.
April 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pmOh look, if you speak any dissent in the GOP ranks the cowardly wolves try to gum you to death!
April 28th, 2009 at 2:38 pmKilmeade needs to be waterboarded so he can no longer talk about the subject.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:01 pmUnfortunately, this is a popular meme—if you have experience with something you’re biased. The dumbing down isn’t just from poor education, it’s little gems like this one being repeated on television, with a straight face, as if it were truth of some sort, and almost went without saying, it’s just common knowledge. Experience = bias.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pmI am confused. Does McCain’s confession show torture works or that torture doesn’t work? It it works I would think the torture lovers would want him talking. Now if it doesn’t I can see why they would want to shut him the hell up…
April 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm“The Republican torture legacy” The crime is one thing, but the Republican parties’ behavior is really getting spooky.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThey are turning on their only true war hero. It’s to dismal to follow anymore.
According to McCain–and I have not seen any evidence to the contrary–he was tortured and responded by giving his captors information that was outdated or already widely known, or entirely fabricated. Limbaugh has averred that McCain’s case is evidence that torture works, ignoring that it often, or perhaps usually, works by eliciting incorrect answers.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:21 pmWhere are the trolls on this????? Geeez!!! I was hoping to $h1t on them badly.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:48 pmThe modern Republican Party is fascist. It is time to call them what they are. It is not name calling. It is not labeling. They have defined themselves. It has been too long and we must the educate the people again about what fascism is. Anyone who could say these things is morally lost. Now is the time when we must stand for the Republic, stand for the Constitution, stand for the simple values of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, and Lincoln, despite all their faults as humans, they attempted to establish something different on this planet.
There is no excuse for torture. It is a crime and its advocacy is a direct threat to the safety of our government. We must be unafraid to call it treason for in this country, that is the true definition- the betrayal of the Bill of Rights.
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Going by kilmeades logic, a cancer survivor shouldn’t talk about cancer because he/she had cancer. What a loon.
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