Poll: 71 percent believe that waterboarding is torture.
By on Apr 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Poll: 71 percent believe that waterboarding is torture.
Greg Sargent notes that despite the media’s reluctance to describe it as such, a new poll out today by the New York Times and CBS News found that 71 percent of Americans consider waterboarding to be “a form of torture“:
The poll also found that 87 percent of Americans believe that the U.S. health care system needs to be fundamentally changed or rebuilt completely. Additionally, 42 percent said that they believe gay couples should be allowed to marry, an increase of nine percentage points from March 2009. In total, 67 percent support either same-sex marriage or civil unions.
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Well, DUH! Apologists for the torture-happy crowd make demonstrably false cklaims that torture somehow produces rsults that have helped save American lives. There is not one single case of torture doing such a thing. People who are tortured will say anything to get the torture to stop, period.
Didn’t the Bush Administration use water-boarding torture to fabricate a tentative (and false) link between al Quida and Iraq to justify going to war to the detriment of the “war on terror”?
April 28th, 2009 at 9:54 amThis demonstrates how right-tilted our public discourse is.
If a hypothetical Democratic President had been caught waterboarding, there would be no phony debate on whether torture is torture.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:54 amPoll: 71 percent believe that waterboarding is torture.
While the remaining percentage is related to Dick Cheney ……..
April 28th, 2009 at 9:54 amOf course it is torture. And of course the far right Republicanics are for it. After all, “interrogation” is just a fancy word for “talking” and the far right Republicanics do not accept “talking to our enemies”. Gotta hurt ‘em, you betcha.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:59 amPoll: 71 percent believe that waterboarding is torture.
– - 71% of the poll respondents are more honest/smarter than Newt Gingrich. Shocking. Not so much.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:59 amOnly 71%?
Wow, who are the other 29% that doesn’t understand that drowning someone slowly and deliberately is torture?
People can talk until they are blue in the face, but waterboarding is torture. The issue is, can these torture deniers disingenuously pretend that waterboarding is not torture by extending the discussion.
The best thing to do is admit that waterboarding is torture, lest we look stupid to the world. Then the debate can focus on should we torture. Of course the answer to this question is as simple as the other.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:00 amWaterboarding is only one of many techniques condemned universally as torture; the media preference to use a euphemism – enhanced interrogation – instead of the accepted terminology has contributed to public disinformation and allowed the apologists for torture to hair-split their own definitions.
This is debated now because Bush&Co used these illegal tactics and tried mightily to re-write laws and the interpretation of same to accommodate their immorality.
For a century or more, this was not a topic for debate – that it is debated now is further demonstration of the vast corruption of Bush&Co.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:01 amThe sad part is that its NOT 100%.
So 29% of the nation doesn’t believe in the rule of law?
April 28th, 2009 at 10:04 amFirst they denied they used torture, then they admitted they used it (but limited to a few), then came photos and testimony, so now they claim that torture is legal (by their definition). If it is legal, why did they deny it?
April 28th, 2009 at 10:04 amFunny how that 25-31% number keeps coming up….
April 28th, 2009 at 10:07 amPresident Obama states “The United States does not torture.”
Great, but it needs to be followed up with “and we will investigate and prosecute anyone involved in torture on behalf of the United States.”
The people have weighed in on this issue, Mr. President. Take action now.
PEACE
April 28th, 2009 at 10:07 amThis is all wrong, wrong, wrong. The media and all of the Twitteratti and Glenn Beck’s militia media tell me that America is a center right nation.
These facts seem to bring this narrative into question.
Please adjust the facts to comport with the propaganda.
-G
April 28th, 2009 at 10:08 amMrBrown asks:
So 29% of the nation doesn’t believe in the rule of law?
I believe in every society there exists a certain percentage of sadists and misanthropes and miscreants – 29% seems a bit high even for that, so perhaps we also have a few brainwashed fools who think they get fair and balanced news from Fox.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:08 amWell, I’m glad that 71% “believe” waterboarding to be torture, because according to international law, IT IS.
No belief required.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amDammit, twenty nine percent still believe fox.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:15 amI think we’ll be seeing the percentage 20+/- for a loooooooooonnnnnnnngggg time guys.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am29% believe waterboarding is NOT torture!
29%.
Now, where have I heard that figure before?
Why, the Bush apologists, of course.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:18 amIt does boggle the mind, though, to see that percentage so high.
Again, why do they continuously lap the scrotum of CONservatives, who blatantly disregarded the Geneva Convention, against international law?
Would the be so willing to blindly follow the stupid nonsense of whether waterboarding is torture if it happened to one of our brave soldiers?
Or a family member?
The other 29% must be mostly repugnicants, Lamebaugh supporters, and rightwingnut crazies. Anyone that believes waterboarding is not torture has got to be NUTZ. These types will probably always exist in the US. I’m glad they’re in the minority.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:20 amI don’t think there’s any doubt that what the Bush Administration did was torture–this isn’t merely “Law & Order” rerun justice where the cops grill the suspect with hot lights and billy clubs. These are practices used in the past by people who were convicted for them.
I think the GOP’s conundrum is that they are both trying to deny this is torture AND convince the public that, if it was torture, it was justified. It’s a buffering layer to act as insurance when it is verified that these are torturing practices.
This poll won’t convince pundits that it is torture. Sadly, it will convince them that the Obama electorate is blind because they hate the Bush Administration.
Or it will just be another poll for them to ignore.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:20 amThe hypocrisy, illegality and immense immorality of the Bush regime will haunt the US for decades to come.
Mission accomplished.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:21 amSo despite six years of neocons attempting to skew the facts on waterboarding, 71% of Americans clearly see it for what it has always been accepted to be…torture. The apologists and defenders of torture are the most un-American piss ants this nation has EVER witnessed. Torture, more than almost anything else that I can think of, goes directly against what this Nation was founded on, a dream of true freedom based on rule of law. Republicans in both the Senate and Congress should be condemning these crimes as well as the divisive self-serving talking heads on Reich Radio and TV and demanding investigations if they want to cling to any shred of the old “party of law and order”, or if they hold any hope of re-election in 2010. Fortunately for the Democrats this will not happen because what remains of the Republican Party is the basest of divisieness and hatred of true America. For years the right had convinced itself that the bible thumpers and gun toting rubes WERE the essence of America. Now that we see that this crowd of teabaggers is ALL that the right has left we can clearly assertain that the Nation is most definitely left of center. Sorry moonbats, it must suck to be part of what is left of your sorry party. Face it, left is the new center and you misguided fools on the far right are nothing but fodder to be ridiculed at the least, criminals and treasonors at the worst.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:22 amInteresting but does not matter.
Waterboarding is PROHBITIED under BOTH the Geneva Convention ADN the U.S. Army Field Manual.
Why is this even debatable??
April 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
*sigh* This only makes sense in reich-wing world.
Was he really? Perhaps the Viet Cong merely employed “harsh/enhanced interrogation techniques…”
/wingnut
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MrBrown Says:
The sad part is that its NOT 100%.
So 29% of the nation doesn’t believe in the rule of law?
Correct. Ditto evolution, global warming, whether Bush was a bad president or whether Obama is shaping up to be a good one. They also probably deviate on whether 2 + 2 is 4.
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A Patriotic Anopheles Acting Says:
Sorry moonbats, it must suck to be part of what is left of your sorry party.
FYI, “moonbats” refers to liberals. The term for right-wingers is “wingnuts.”
April 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amMarie Says
April 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I believe in every society there exists a certain percentage of sadists and misanthropes and miscreants – 29% seems a bit high even for that, so perhaps we also have a few brainwashed fools who think they get fair and balanced news from Fox.
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And don’t forget, that 29% also includes the clueless individuals who haven’t left their video games long enough to have heard that the term doesn’t have anything to do with surfing.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:40 amDr. Hussein Matt Says
April 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Kilmeade opines that McCain “should not be allowed to talk on torture” because “he was tortured”
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And in other news, Kilmeade claimed that Neil Armstrong shouldn’t be allowed to talk about space travel.
/snark off
April 28th, 2009 at 10:43 amTrolls? Anyone out there feeling less safe now that we don’t waterboard? That seemed the prevalent meme for you little simpering foolios for awhile.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:53 amDang it! I always misuse simper. It is a great word to describe GWB, not such a complete fit for the trolling cowards who support torture.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:55 amI think it works pretty well actually.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:04 amWho gives a rats a$$ if pole responders BELIEVE waterboarding is torture or not? It is. And IT IS illegal. Period! Opinions be damned.
Not enough emphasis is being put on the fact that we’re not just talking waterboarding here. Sleep deprivation, humiliation, stress positions, etc. In combination, hard to defend the “not torture” argument. Even the most ardent “not torture” defenders have to reasonably agree that, at the very least, such treatment constitutes cruel and unusual punishment…still illegal.
How many were tortured? Any estimates?
Here’s a hypothetical question. Let’s say it’s found that “private contractors” utilized torture on their own volition. Would they be offered the same “immunity” as CIA agents? (No time to respond today if anyone answers)
April 28th, 2009 at 11:08 amOf course it is torture; it was invented to BE torture. It’s been described and defined as torture by just about everyone. It has been prosecuted as torture for centuries. How anyone could think there is still any debate about this is stupefyingly ignorant.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:14 amMycelium Says:
Who gives a rats a$$ if pole responders BELIEVE waterboarding is torture or not? It is. And IT IS illegal. Period! Opinions be damned.
Tell em about it! This issue probably points out the ludicris attitude of the MSM to create the false sense of “balance” on their reports. To entertain the debate on whether or not waterboarding is torture gives some credence to the insane argument that it ISN’T torture and the media has completely botched it.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:15 amI think we need to just get a dull knife and cut their heads off slowly…like they do over there!
If we did that…maybe you leftest would root for our side like you have for the enemies side the last 8 years.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:47 amRealityCheck Says:
I think we need to just get a dull knife and cut their heads off slowly…like they do over there!
One of these days you’re going to propose flying airplanes into skyscrapers in New York… “like they do over there! Hyurk!” I’m just waiting.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:54 amI knew my little 28%ers wouldn’t let me down.
HECKUVA JOB LOSERS.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pmFINALLY!! Altered RealityCheck shows up. Sure, dude, let’s out-torture our enemies. That will show them that we’re more uncivilized than them. Isn’t that what this country is all about? Are you saying that if they don’t accept BushCo’s version of “Democracy” that we’ll treat you like you treat yourselves? Why do you continue to submit yourself to ridicule on this site? Masochism, maybe? Or, maybe you enjoy being tortured, no?
April 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm29%.
Now, where have I heard that figure before?
Why, the Bush apologists, of course.
The long-overdue name change of the GOP is at hand:
THE 29-ers
April 28th, 2009 at 12:04 pmIt doesn’t matter IF PEOPLE BELIEVE that waterboarding is torture or not because it is ALREADY RECOGNIZED UNDER CURRENT U.S. LAW AS A CRIME! Opinions on that are absolutely irrelevant! You might as well have a poll stating that “71% of people believe that murder is a crime.” When a crime is committed, our court system does not poll the public to see whether or not they agree that the actions were a crime or not. but instead they prosecute the crime because it is already recognized as a matter of current black-letter law.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pmI love how this site cherry picks which polls to use. How about this one.
“Based on what you know or have read, do you think the use of harsh interrogation techniques for terrorism suspects was justified or not justified?”
4/24-4/25 Justified – 55% Not Justified – 36% Not Sure – 9%
http://pollingreport.com/terror.htm
April 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmRealityCheck Says:
I think we need to just get a dull knife and cut their heads off slowly…like they do over there!
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I think you should just kill yourself. You are pathetic, stupid and have not a shred of decency. The world will be a better place without you. You add nothing to it. So do the right thing and throw yourself off a skyscraper. By THEY you mean ALL Arabs? Perhaps you mean the few criminal weasels who have done such a thing makes it ok for us to torture anyone who looks vaguely like them and comes from the same part of the world? You do know you are a soulless ignorant pile of dogshite dont you?
If we did that…maybe you leftest would root for our side like you have for the enemies side the last 8 years.
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I guess by us leftists you mean 71% of the country. Of course you are a liar. Lying is something you do in every post you make. You LIKE to lie. You are a punk. Then again it must be tough to be so worthless. I always wonder about cowards like you who CLAIM to love America while you so clearly HATE Americans. I guess that is why you love seeing them die so much. You LOVE seeing Americans die. You wanted the war because is it always party time at your house as long as Americans are dying. You idea of rooting for the other side is STOPPING your fun at seeing dead and dying Americans. The very thought of Americans dying somewhere just makes your useless little thingy hard. What a pathetic loser you are.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pmJohnM Says:
I LOVE how stupid you rightwing nuts are. So exactly what are enhanced interrogation techniques to people 71% of whom think waterboarding is torture? Since they didnt use the word TORTURE in the poll it really doesnt mean much. How many of those voting would have changed to not justified if the word torture was used? Well we actually have an answer to that and a much LARGER percentage say:
Given pro and con arguments, 63 percent in an ABC News/Washington Post poll say torture is never acceptable, even when other methods fail and authorities believe the suspect has information that could prevent terrorist attacks.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/polls/torture_poll_040527.html
It is ok that you have no decency and approve of torture. Just remember that YOU are the fringe, not us. ENHANCED interrogation techniques seem to mean things like hooding and noise bombing. A majority wont even support threats, more from the poll
Far fewer Americans accept other practices. Four in 10 call it acceptable to threaten to shoot a suspect, or expose a suspect to extreme heat or cold. Punching or kicking is deemed acceptable by 29 percent. And 16 percent call sexual humiliation — alleged to have occurred at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad — acceptable in some cases.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmI’m sure if we ask nicely they will stop wanting to kill us.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pmGet real,like it or not ,it is a war. If torturing or killing
a nutjob who is willing to blow himself up to kill innocents
MIGHT save lives ,so be it.
No we’re not perfect,we’ve made mistakes. That happens in every conflict.
If the terrorists of 9/11 had been shot dead before they took over the planes would that not have been a better result? If
a conspiritor had been waterboarded to find them do you think those passengers would mind?
If you hate “right-wing” ideals,fine that’s your right,but be honest,if torturing a killer would save YOUR ass you would.
Wow, 71% of Americans have ethics and support some degree of morality.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pmRealityCheck Says:
I think we need to just get a dull knife and cut their heads off slowly…like they do over there!
If we did that…maybe you leftest would root for our side like you have for the enemies side the last 8 years.
So you endorse becoming an extremist?
April 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmThe 29% who believe is not torture, nicely mirrors the percentage of the electorate who identify themselves as Republicans, according to the recent Pew Research poll.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmIn the the looney toons world of today’s Republican faux Christian pretenders, Jesus was a racist, a homophobe, a warmonger and a selfish, greedy, elitist sociopath who horded and accumulated worldly possessions while his followers/the other children of god were starving. In what version of the bible was Jesus pro-torture, pro-death penalty, pro-weapons of mass destruction and without any awareness that his purpose on earth was to be his brother’s keeper? Today’s Republican faux Christians are sons and daughters of Satan without a single ounce of intellectual, moral or spiritual integrity. They are everything Jesus wanted human beings NOT TO BE.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pmhdj2520 is a true example of why cons tend to be sociopaths, and can not understand the difference between right and wrong…(Bush/Cheney mind set)…
….it is good that these types are shrinking in numbers…
….21% of voting public that now claims to be republican…
…good bye, sickos.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pmhdj2520 Says:
I am not sure what is worse. Your cowardice, your lack of basic human decency or your stupidity.
I’m sure if we ask nicely they will stop wanting to kill us.
Get real,like it or not ,it is a war. If torturing or killing
a nutjob who is willing to blow himself up to kill innocents
MIGHT save lives ,so be it.
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The STUPID in this statement is jaw dropping. Lets start with who is THEY? I mean if we are talking to him then he obviously has never blown himself up. So are you saying that because SOME Muslims HAVE been suicide bombers that justifies us torturing ANY Muslims at ANY time so you can feel safer? Not BE safer just feel that way. You really are a coward. Since THEY obviously doesnt mean suicide bomber what IS the criteria? Do we need to PROVE they have done something wrong? In COURT? If not it is inevitable we will torture innocent people. In fact we already HAVE at least twice, once because the guy had a NAME similar to the one we wanted. THEY want to kill us. Who exactly are you talking about? Muslims in general? You are a coward. You dont care about guilt or innocence, you dont care about American values. You seem only to care about how YOU feel while you are shivering under your mommys bed and are willing to appolgize for warcrimes in order to make the scary thoughts about scary turban guys go away. What level of attrocities are you willing to appolgize for? Would you say drop daisy cutters at random through the middle East as Ann Coulter advised? How about killing one hundred million Muslims, virtually at random as Micheal Savage advised? Get help. You are sick, stupid and sick
No we’re not perfect,we’ve made mistakes. That happens in every conflict.
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How would that have worked? We didnt know about the plot so are you saying we should periodically get random Arab looking Muslims and torture them just to SEE if there is a plot out there? You simpleminded fools are you easy to lead along by the nose. You watch too much TV and think it is real life. Has the ticking time bomb scenarion ever happened in the history of the world? Not that I know of it hasnt.
If you hate “right-wing” ideals,fine that’s your right,but be honest,if torturing a killer would save YOUR ass you would.
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NO. You mistake YOUR cowardice for EVERYONEs feelings. If you have to torture someone to save my life. Let me die. What good is it to save my life if I lose my soul and THAT is what we are talking about the SOUL of America. For our good country to lose our soul is too high a price to pay for my life. I understand. YOU are a coward and not a very bright one so you see it differently. Fine. Just dont expect us to overlook the fact it means you HAVE. NO. DECENCY.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:38 pmWho cares what polls say?
What matters is what the LAW says.
Torture is a WAR CRIME.
Appoint a special prosecutor NOW!
April 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pmWe are such hypocrites! Look, abortion is murder, period. We all know that, but it’s O.K. because it’s not against the law to murder the unborn. Waterboarding is torture, period. Congress KNEW that, including Nancy Polosi. The mentality right after 9/11 was to prevent another attack. Most of us at that time would not care what had to be done to keep us safe. Ask any mother right after 9/11, “What would you do to a terrorist to get information in order to protect you children?” We all know the answer. It’s kind of like Rodney King. Non minorities all knew blacks were being beaten in the streets and as long as we didn’t see it, it was O.K., we felt safe. But once we saw it, we were outraged! What phony self-rightous, jump on the band wagon, hypocrites we are. But then, why pass up the opportunity to trash Bush? I get it! You all are absolutely right! Let’s put the bastard in jail.
April 28th, 2009 at 3:52 pmOf course waterboarding is torture…that and being forced to watch Faux News or listen to Rush Limbaugh, torture.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pmJohnM Says:
I LOVE how stupid you rightwing nuts are. So exactly what are enhanced interrogation techniques to people 71% of whom think waterboarding is torture? Since they didnt use the word TORTURE in the poll it really doesnt mean much. How many of those voting would have changed to not justified if the word torture was used? Well we actually have an answer to that and a much LARGER percentage say:
Given pro and con arguments, 63 percent in an ABC News/Washington Post poll say torture is never acceptable, even when other methods fail and authorities believe the suspect has information that could prevent terrorist attacks.
The people questioned were aware of what the question meant as evidenced by the previous question. Even in the same poll as the linked on this website by CBS/NY Times less than half think it is never justified and they use the word waterboarding. Why don’t you actually read the polls instead of what this site cherry picks for you.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmdball Says:
We are such hypocrites! Look, abortion is murder, period. We all know that, but it’s O.K. because it’s not against the law to murder the unborn.
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No we DONT all konw that. It is simply your OPINION. YOUR opinion does NOT define reality
Waterboarding is torture, period. Congress KNEW that, including Nancy Polosi. The mentality right after 9/11 was to prevent another attack. Most of us at that time would not care what had to be done to keep us safe.
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BUNK, again YOU project YOUR opinion as if EVERYONE felt that way. I NEVER supported torture and I dont believe the majority of Americans did either.
But then, why pass up the opportunity to trash Bush? I get it! You all are absolutely right! Let’s put the bastard in jail.
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So in your world TORTURE is no big problem and is just us taking an OPPORTUNITY to trahs Bush. YOU might not care about our countries image or our values but again that is YOU. I do and always did. In this country the LAW is king. No man is above the law so if it is found that Bush violated the law then OF COURSE HE SHOULD GO TO JAIL.
April 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pmJohnM Says:
The people questioned were aware of what the question meant as evidenced by the previous question.
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I did read the poll you condescending moron. 46% was STILL the plurality opinion that is it was about 10% higher thatn saying it WAS justified. I didnt use this sites poll. I found my own more on point jerk. Why do YOU cherry pick the QUESTIONS you want then put your idiotic spin on it instead of seeing that people dont support torture and that INCLUDES waterboarding. Try to keep up
April 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pmThe people tortured were not terrorists and were fully developed humans who had been born already.
April 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
Dropped a paragraph again
JohnM Says:
The people questioned were aware of what the question meant as evidenced by the previous question.
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Even in the same poll as the linked on this website by CBS/NY Times less than half think it is never justified and they use the word waterboarding. Why don’t you actually read the polls instead of what this site cherry picks for you.
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THAT is your opinion. Perhaps YOU read harsh techniques and think torture. That is not evidence that the people of taking the poll think the same way. If in the SAME POLL 46% of the people say waterboarding is never justified and yet only 37% say harsh techniques are never justified then its pretty clear that a whole bunch of those people were thinking of something ELSE when they heard harsh techniques. This really isnt that complicated maybe YOU should have read the whole poll and then done something rare for you. THINK ABOUT IT
I did read the poll you condescending moron. 46% was STILL the plurality opinion that is it was about 10% higher thatn saying it WAS justified. I didnt use this sites poll. I found my own more on point jerk. Why do YOU cherry pick the QUESTIONS you want then put your idiotic spin on it instead of seeing that people dont support torture and that INCLUDES waterboarding. Try to keep up
April 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWe are such hypocrites! Look, abortion is murder, period. We all know that,
— I don’t know that because I can tell a cellular mass from a baby.
April 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pmJohnM Says:
I love how this site cherry picks which polls to use.
That one’s reported on in another thread, dolt.
It also didn’t describe to interviewees what it mean by “harsh interrogation techniques” (hint: rhymes with “borture.”)
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hdj2520 Says:
Get real,like it or not ,it is a war. If torturing or killing
a nutjob who is willing to blow himself up to kill innocents
MIGHT save lives ,so be it.
GTFO of my country. Go start your own regime where you can allow your government to torture and kill people to “protect you.” See how well that works.
Also, the U.S. is not at war. Look it up.
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osage Says:
In the the looney toons world of today’s Republican faux Christian pretenders, Jesus was a racist, a homophobe, a warmonger and a selfish, greedy, elitist sociopath who horded and accumulated worldly possessions while his followers/the other children of god were starving. In what version of the bible was Jesus pro-torture, pro-death penalty, pro-weapons of mass destruction and without any awareness that his purpose on earth was to be his brother’s keeper? Today’s Republican faux Christians are sons and daughters of Satan without a single ounce of intellectual, moral or spiritual integrity. They are everything Jesus wanted human beings NOT TO BE.
You know, they warn that the antichrist will come in the guise of a highly religious person and attempt to pervert the true meaning of Christianity into its opposite. Looks to me like he’s already come and gone. “Mission accomplished!”
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dball Says:
Look, abortion is murder, period. We all know that, but it’s O.K. because it’s not against the law to murder the unborn.
Nope. Embroyo =/= fetus =/= person.
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dball Says:
The mentality right after 9/11 was to prevent another attack. Most of us at that time would not care what had to be done to keep us safe. Ask any mother right after 9/11, “What would you do to a terrorist to get information in order to protect you children?” We all know the answer.
It would really have helped if y’all had clued us liberals in. We could have set you straight right off. Because we aren’t hypocritical scum like you.
So here’s what you should have done – put Bush on TV and have him propose what he wants to do before he does it:
“I want to lie and say Saddam has WMD’s and ties to Al-Qaeda”
“I want to invade Iraq for no reason”
“I want to create a new category of detainee, which is neither civilian nor military”
“In doing so, I will be violating the U.S. Constitution, the Geneva Conventions, and/or both.”
“These detainees will not be subject to habeus corpus, which means I can ‘disappear’ anybody I want”
“I want to be able to do anything to them, including torture”
“I have to do all of this in order to keep you safe or there might be another terrorist attack.”
Would we have said yes? You might have. I would not. That is because you are filth, whereas I am an American.
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