ThinkFast: April 29, 2009
ThinkFast: April 29, 2009
In an op-ed in the New York Times, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) writes that, as a moderate member of her party, “you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe.” She adds that “the political environment that has made it inhospitable for a moderate Republican in Pennsylvania.”
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said President Obama’s push for progressive policies, including a hate crimes bill, “makes me want to throw up,” and declared Obama has “no plan for keeping America safe.” When asked by the Washington Times to grade his party’s 100 days of opposition, Boehner replied, “I think our team’s doing fairly well, considering the barrage that’s coming at us.”
Yesterday, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the Obama administration’s state secrets privilege claim, allowing an “extraordinary rendition” case brought by five detainees against Boeing subsidiary Jeppesen Dataplan to proceed. The Justice Department has invoked state secrets in three court cases since Obama took office. Glenn Greenwald has more.
“American authorities confirmed the first death outside of Mexico from swine flu” today, as Dr. Richard Besser, acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on CNN this morning “that the first American death of the disease was a 23-month-old child in Texas.” Besser gave no other details about the child.
Today, the Supreme Court will be hearing a challenge to Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act (VRA), which “requires selected jurisdictions across the country to ‘preclear’ new voting rules with the Justice Department or a federal court.” The NYT writes that it would be “judicial activism” to take away Congress’s right to protect minority voters, and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) has an op-ed with evidence that the VRA is still needed.
Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs “pointedly refused to rule out a firing in the case of the Air Force One backup’s flight that terrified some in New York City on Monday.” Gibbs said that the White House Deputy Chief of Staff will conduct a review of the incident and the President “will take steps based on the outcome of the review.”
Attorney General Eric Holder will make a “public appeal” to European officials for help in closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay by taking some of the freed inmates. Yesterday, Czech Interior Minister Ivan Langer suggested that European nations would be receptive to Holder’s appeal, saying, “I expect Europe will take some, and there is a strong will do so among some countries.”
On the 99th day of his term in office, President Obama’s Cabinet was finally completed yesterday when the Senate confirmed Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius with a vote of 65-31. “We wanted to swear her in right away because we’ve got a significant public health challenge that requires her immediate attention,” said Obama last night as Sebelius took the oath of office.
The achievement gap between black and white students has not narrowed, “despite President George W. Bush’s frequent assertions that the No Child law was having a dramatic effect.” Although minority students “all scored much higher on the federal test than they did three decades ago, most of those gains were not made in recent years, but during the desegregation efforts of the 1970s and 1980s.”
And finally: On Monday, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) received a reminder that politics is “a full-body-contact sport” when he “collided with a teenage skateboarder while strolling along Pennsylvania Avenue.” Boehner reportedly “was knocked off his feet, but not totally off his game; he stumbled, but didn’t completely wipe out, after the crash.” Boehner and the teen then “exchanged wary looks.”
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Keeping in mind a “moderate Republican” today is slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan.
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April 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
April 29th, 2009 at 9:07 amMaybe someone can get John Boehner the phone number of the company that sells air sick bags to the airlines, because he can expect to spend many years wanting to throw up.
Its unfortunate that the kid on the skateboard didn’t knock Boner on his ass and then do a couple 360s on his head. What an excellent opportunity lost.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:10 amSo Boehner is FOR hate crimes? Disgusting human being.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:10 amHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said President Obama’s push for progressive policies, including a hate crimes bill, “makes me want to throw up,”
Racist, proud, and dumber than a bag of hammers.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:11 amThe Republican Party continues to turn a blind eye to diversity within its ranks and has the audacity to continue to run ultraconservatives like Pat Toomey and Peg Luksik against moderates like him. Arlen Specter did not so much defect as was pushed out by his fellow Republicans. If the GOP does not wake up from it comfortable 1990’s position and realize that becoming the party of the ultraconservative, ultrareligious far right makes them less and less like the rest of America, the party’s days are numbered. Olympia Snowe may be the next GOP senator to leave the party.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:11 amThrowing up is good. It is the body’s way of getting rid of toxins. The body politic has a lot of Bush Toxins to expell. Unfortunately, some in Congress, like Mr. Boehner, do not have a strong enough Constitution to withstand the healthy change.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:13 amBoehner exchanged wary looks with the skateboarder…and then promptly burst into tears. His next bill will be to outlaw skateboarding.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:18 amPennsylvanianne says:
Specter’s defection was partly the result of his being driven out of the GOP as not “conservative”(extremist) enough. The other part of it was that Specter will do what’s best for Specter.
The GOP is so extreme and lunatic fringe, that it makes Attila the Hun look like Mother Teresa.
Good morning, campers.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:23 amI am a Moderate Republican and can tell you the GOP is over. Many of us Moderates are thinking of forming a new party.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:25 amHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)[...]declared Obama has “no plan for keeping America safe.”
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This is because Boehner and the rest of team believe that the only “plan for keeping America safe” consists of invading other countries and torturing captives — neither of which does anything to enhance our safety (in fact, it boosts recruiting in terrorist groups, making us LESS safe).
I applaud a more common-sense foreign policy that takes a practical approach to improving our stature in the world, and throws water on the terrorism fire instead of feeding it. Of course, this won’t please the warmongering yeehaws that make up the rabid right base, but TS.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:26 amSo Boehner doesn’t approve of Obama’s “hate crimes” bill and has no plan to keep America safe. Well, tell me Spraytan Boerher, what is the GOPers plan. Is it similar to the stimulus plan — more corporate tax breaks? Is it similar to the budget plan — the one that was only 19 pages, had no facts or numbers?
Tell us you sleazy windbag. Oh, and just go ahead and throw up. Repulsive as the act of vomiting might be, you’ll likely feel a lot better off if you do.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:29 amAfter crawling from underneath the house that fell on her, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) writes that, as a moderate member of her party, “you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe.”
April 29th, 2009 at 9:32 amIn an op-ed in the New York Times, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) writes that, as a moderate member of her party, “you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe.”
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The GOP would do well to listen to Snowe. Pushing out everybody who isn’t to the right of Michael Savage isn’t going to swell the ranks of their party, and this is what they’re going to need to keep from going the way of the Whigs.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:33 amHow do you know when someone has commited a hate crime? When a young black man kills another young black man, is that a hate crime? Since a hate crime can only be perpetrated against a minority, isn’t the killer, also a minority, incapable of hating while killing? What if a Mexican kills another Mexican, would that be murder or a hate crime? I only ask because the mass murder of blacks and Hispanics by white folks hasn’t materialized, so what do we do with all of the minority on minority crimes after we pass “hate crime” legislation? Try them as haters?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 amI don’t think the Whigs are doing anything these days.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 amKillgore Trout Says:
I am a Moderate Republican and can tell you the GOP is over. Many of us Moderates are thinking of forming a new party.
What was the final straw for you? What specifically pushed the GOP past the point of no return?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:37 amHow do you know when someone has commited a hate crime
Ask a judge.
Oh wait, you can’t because without hate-crime laws there can’t be any trials/convictions, thus no precedence.
GOPigs hate laws, hate America.
PERIOD.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:38 amLemmings.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:39 amI’ve noticed that Gov. Perry hasn’t mentioned secession since the flu outbreak. The cynic in me can’t help wondering when our foolish TX governor will try to blame this on our federal government.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:40 amdrew3rd Says:
Your diaper is leaking… AGAIN.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 amMy father was an Eisenhower Republican. He saw this coming a long time ago. By 1992 he had enough of the growing extremism of the GOP and switched parties. When he told me he voted for Bill Clinton, you could have knocked me over with a feather. He has been a Democrat ever since, and now even works for Democratic campaigns, because he knows the insane Republicansmust be stopped before they completely destroy our country. He says, I did leave the Republican Party, they left me.”
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 amLisa FTW Says
April 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
The cynic in me can’t help wondering when our foolish TX governor will try to blame this on our federal government.
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Why not? Bachmann’s already on that bandwagon, and there appears to be room on board for more crackpots.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 amBoehner replied, “I think our team’s doing fairly well, considering the barrage that’s coming at us.”
Ha-Ha! Look in the mirror fool. They are their very own barrage of stupidity and obstruction. Just heard McConnell whining about RepubCo not being a regional party. These people suck so bad.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 amHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said President Obama’s push for progressive policies, including a hate crimes bill, “makes me want to throw up,” and declared Obama has “no plan for keeping America safe.”
Seems to me that keeping Americans safe is a nice first step to keeping America safe… but maybe that’s just me… and 79% of the country….
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am“Hate crimes”? Next you crazy liberals will be suggesting that there’s a legal difference between killing somebody by accident and doing it on purpose!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 amLentils
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 amDNFP, that’s deep thought? Ask a judge? Why don’t we ask a jury? Ask them if murder, rape, burglary, GTA are hate crimes. Maybe they could tell us. No one will go free after hate crime legislation is enacted, no sir. Now, police will not only have to provide physical evidence, they will also need to provide the thoughts of the person as they perpetrated their “hate crime”. Why everyone here is sooooo smart. They have thought this one through in a very thorough manner.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:43 amLittle Freep Goofballs,
April 29th, 2009 at 9:43 amWell Charles Johnson and I have had it with their Creationist crap. Also they are allying with Euro-Fascists.
“the political environment that has made it inhospitable for a moderate Republican in Pennsylvania.”
You mean the environment created by idiotic, GOPigs who’d sooner eat one another than support their country?
I had no idea how the election of a single black man would cause so many tiny-minded in-breds to self destruct.
PRICELESS.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:44 amCorrection:
He says, I didn’t leave the Republican Party, they left me.”
April 29th, 2009 at 9:45 amYou can always hope that white people will start killing minorities. That might make your bigoted views more rational. I wouldn’t hold my breath, however, you’ve lost enough brain cells.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:45 amdrew3rd Says:
Poor wittle white supremacist.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:46 amWith the defection of Arlen Spectre, the near certainty of Al Franken becoming the 60th vote, and the possibility of Snow becoming #61, I think the Bush Legacy has been written no matter how Rove & Friends try to spin it. History will remember Bush as the President who turned a Balanced Budget and record job growth into a doubling of the National Debt and record job losses, failing to prevent the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history (despite receiving warnings), and now the President that SO destroyed his Party that he ushered in such HUGE election losses for his Party that the opposing Party accumulated a 60+ vote Super-Majority in just two years.
Spin it any way you want guys, when you entered office bragging of “a permanent Republican majority”, history could not have turned out more different.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:46 amIn today’s Republican Party, crackpots are like Jello. There’s always room for more.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:48 amthat there’s a legal difference between killing somebody by accident and doing it on purpose!
There already is, moron.
No wonder GOPigs have trouble within their own party.
You idiots don’t know anything beyond what Limpballs spoon-feeds you.
It’s getting tired, but easier.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:49 amHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said President Obama’s push for progressive policies, including a hate crimes bill, “makes me want to throw up,”
Why does Boner love hate crimes?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:49 amWhen a duo of idiots tie a kid to a fence post, and beat him to death because he is gay, that’s a hate crime. When a lone idiot shoots up a church killing folks because they are liberal, that’s a hate crime. When another duo of idiots drag a man to death behind a truck because he is black, thats’ a hate crime.
Its not that hard a concept to grasp. Most idiots who commit hate crimes proudly tell authorities their motivation.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 amDNFP, that’s what you got? Namecalling, how about thinking the issue through. You really think you can determine beyond a reasonable doubt that one man killed another based on skin color when whites never kill minorities? Minorities are being killed by each other. Hate crimes are going to be applied in THOSE instances? Now whose racist?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 amMight I add:
If Snow jumps ship and becomes #61, can we please strip Lieberman of any power he currently enjoys?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 amIf Specter wants to join the Democratic Party he has to support the EFCA. No compromise on that. Otherwise primary him and beat his ass!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 amI wonder why the government is worried about right-wing terrorism.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am“Republican leadership” is an oxymoron, like “jumbo shrimp.” Boehner is no leader, neither are Cantor, McConnell, and certainly not Steele. In their first 100 days, they’ve established gasbag buffoon Limbaugh as the voice of the party, and slimy hypocrites Gingrich and Rove as the brain. There is no heart. All the GOP seems to be able to do is react, retreat, and revile. None has the courage to reject the extreme, narrow-minded far-right wing of the party. The so-called “values” party has become the party of No, hate, and torture. The “big tent of Freedom” party has become the party of fundamentalist Christian, southern old white men who hate the federal government until it needs assistance.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:51 amTent, yuo don’t want me in your party because I have disnmantled the “Hate Crimes” argument. More like TentofBigotry.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:51 amwhen whites never kill minorities?
And this idiot wonders why he has no friends.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:52 amBorn-again Moderate Repubs are now calling themselves Libertarians, emphasizing low taxes and “leave me the f&#k alone” government. That would be great except for the 12 trillion dollar debt they overlooked when Ronnie & Bushytail I&II were in control. The went to the BYOB party w/out a 12pack, mooched off their friends and don’t want to return the favor. They’re leeches, mooches and worse so who’d want to be invited to their next soiree, anyway. Pay your bar bill first before asking for one on the house, freeloader.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:52 amI have disnmantled the “Hate Crimes” argument.
Here we have a “legend in his own mind”…
April 29th, 2009 at 9:53 amdrew3rd Says:
Hate crimes are those crimes which are committed against another based upon the victim’s race, color, creed, religion or sexual orientation.
I’m sorry if I used words with more than one syllable.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 amShoeless says; I wonder why the government is worried about right-wing terrorism.
Because of all that right wing terrorism that’s going on. You know, the…. uh, hmm…. well Janet said it’s a problem so I’m going to run with that. BTW, Canada is the reason 9/11 happened, did you know that? All this time I thought it was due to 19 swarthy Arab males.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 amdrew3rd;
Did your parents have any children that lived?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 amThat was a rhetorical question.
The current version of the Publican party is led by a fat bigot with a loud megaphone, spoken for by a complete nitwit who flip flops with each verbal gaffe, supported by extremist Xian Fundies who’d like to take us back to the good old days of witch burning.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 amWith a party like that, it’s no wonder the rational and sane find no welcome within its ranks.
dre3rd Says:
DNFP, that’s what you got? Namecalling,
Which was preceded by this little gem:
dew3rd Says:
Lemmings.
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You really think you can determine beyond a reasonable doubt that one man killed another based on skin color when whites never kill minorities?
Well, there goes any rational for an intelligent argument, but the above post does provide us with your racist views (like we had any doubt).
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 amDrew, we don’t want you in our party because our tent isn’t big enough to include right-wing domestic terrorists. Stay in the Republican Party where your type are welcome.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amThe Republican Party embraced the “Evangelical Christians” because they could be counted upon to vote lock-step for every candidate who opposed abortion in all circumstances and homosexual marriage, and favored “tax cuts” even though the tax cuts heavily favored the wealthiest 1% at the expense of the rest of the country. That particular voting group did not really care about any other social issue and has always had a “my way or the highway” mentality.
The “Evangelical Christians” will continue to “purify” the Republican Party, adding more black and white litmus tests: for gun control; against equal pay for women; for prayer in schools; against unionization; for deregulation; against social welfare, and so on.
In some ways, their model is an authoritarian/libertarian government: the only function of government is to keep them safe from outside attack and crime (authoritarian). Other than that, it’s every man for himself (libertarian). And, yes, every man for himself; women are to tend the home and make babies. That’s the Republican Evangelical Christian Utopia, in a nutshell.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amI hate to say this, but it is a crime how massively illogical the posts by minority member drew3rd are. How does one come up with so many non-sequitor questions and comments?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amdrew3rd Says: Your comment doesn’t make sense. The hate crimes bill is related to rascism/rascists. We don’t need another Timothy McVeigh situation. Quit trying to minimize the fact that there are dangerous hate groups in America.
Boehner is making a big deal about the hate crimes bill because there are alot of violent rascists in the rethuglican party. He’s probably embarrassed about this fact and feeling a bit sensitive. Boehner lives in an alternate universe if he thinks a hate crimes bill is unnecessary.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amiamwhoiam Says:
So Boehner is FOR hate crimes? Disgusting human being.
So Bohner has a BONER for hate crimes? No surprise here. Typical teabagging Re-puke-li-kkklan.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amRaynman, uh oh…fart. Prove it! What was in my heart when I killed that transgendered prostitute of mine. Was it my homophobia or because he/she wasn’t giving me my full cut as pimp? See where this leads? That’s a mighty powerful brush to spread over crimes that already have punishments.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 amIt’s obvious that when it was time to be issued brains, he drew 3rd.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 amdrew3rd=dense
April 29th, 2009 at 9:57 amThings that make GOP nutt-huggers piss themselves (like they need anymore help):
1. laws based on equality
2. taxing the rich
3. reality
No wonder they’re a dying breed. Anything which threatens their choke-hold on America (like abiding by laws) must not be allowed.
HECKUVA JOB, LOSERS.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:57 amDespite all the evidence to the contrary, bonehead Boehner thinks that “our team’s doing fairly well”. Is he not aware that “his team” got their heads handed to them in the 2006 and 2008 elections? Is he not aware that all things Republican have been rejected by the vast majority of American citizens? Is he not aware that the 2010 election results will undeniably provide his “opposing team” a comfortable filibuster-proof Democratic Senate majority? Is he not aware that “his team” is not just losing; it’s going extinct? And who exactly is the Senate minority leader presiding over “his” team’s political demise? Why it’s team captain Mr. John “bonehead” Boehner himself! Only a Republican leader could claim his team is “doing fairly well” after “his team” has passed into the irrelevance of political infamy, insanity and impotence. I wonder what Mr. Boehner would have said had he been the captain of the Titanic watching the last life boat lowered into the sea?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:57 amTimothy McVeigh? He was a liberal BTW. I went to school with Mike Fortier. They weren’t right wing nuts, they were anti-American loonies who hated this country. Pick another right wing zealot who has perpetrated terro on this country and wasn’t from the middle east.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:58 amdre3rd Says:
Tent, yuo don’t want me in your party because I have disnmantled the “Hate Crimes” argument.
No, we don’t want you in “our” party until you pass medial grammar classes.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:58 amReally dude, we don’t want to hear about your personal life.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:59 amGuys, can’t you put together a cogent thought on the efficacy of proving, in court, the thoughts of a man’s heart? You couldn’t even get O.J., you want to tell me he absolutely hated Ron and Nicole? How do you know he even did it, much less hated them?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am“Timothy McVeigh was and also an Islamofacist, really, an obese drug addict on the radio told me so!
“And what about all those arabs blowing up abortion clinics and blaming it on noble white Republicans?”
April 29th, 2009 at 10:01 amBeetle, I think you mean “remedial”. I’ll do that just as soon as you clear a minor detail of the hate crimes bill. How do you PROVE IN COURT the THOUGHTS of a criminal? Let’s go boys and girls, thinking caps on, after all we are THINK progress. The answer is, you can’t. This is a racist bill and it needs to be treated as such. It is aimed at white males and everyone knows it. Let’s all be adults here, shall we.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:03 amdew3rd Says:
I went to school with Mike Fortier.
And here we go again with another fabrication.
dew3rd has led quite a life (in his head).
They weren’t right wing nuts, they were anti-American loonies who hated this country
Yeah, because nothing says anarchy like attacking your own party and beliefs.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:05 amYou do remember that Clinton was in office during that fateful day, don’t you?
You are a doofus, ain’t ya.
Tent, how about the left wing loonie who blew away 14 in Binghamton or that paragon of liberal affection in Oakland who killed 4 cops who were unfairly hauling him back to jail for raping a 12 year old and violating the terms of his parole?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:05 amWe can’t all be adults. You are still here.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:05 amOh, Teeeennnttt.
Adolf Hitler
Josef Stalin
Mao Zedong
Chackmate!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:07 amBeetle he graduated from Kingman High School in 1989. I graduated in 1985. His siter Chris was my buddies girlfriend, class of 1983. Check it out. It’s also 40 miles from the Navajo Reservation.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:07 amHe was an anti-American loon and so was McVeigh. If he was such a loner, how did he and Mike work out demolition schematics?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:08 amKillgore Trout Says:
I am a Moderate Republican and can tell you the GOP is over. Many of us Moderates are thinking of forming a new party.
As a full-blown “libtard”, “Democrap”, I feel your pain. If there is anyone who has destroyed the GOP is the GOP themselves for promoting an agenda of hate by swinging to the very far right so much that they have fallen of the charts. They are imploding before our very eyes. Only the likes of Hitler would be proud of them. It’s definately the end of the Republican Party.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:09 amIt is aimed at white males and everyone knows it.
The white supremacists mantra:
It’s not about hating minorities, it’s about loving whites.
DISMISSED.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:09 amdre3rd Says:
Oh, Teeeennnttt.
Feeling orgasmic?
Adolf Hitler
Josef Stalin
Mao Zedong
Thanks for bringing up right wing extremists, but they really don’t help your argument?
Chackmate!
Chackmate? Chackmate?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:09 amI’m serious about the grammar schooling. Not even remedial. You’ve got to pass medial first.
drew3rd Says
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
How do you know when someone has commited a hate crime? When a young black man kills another young black man, is that a hate crime? Since a hate crime can only be perpetrated against a minority, isn’t the killer, also a minority, incapable of hating while killing? What if a Mexican kills another Mexican, would that be murder or a hate crime? I only ask because the mass murder of blacks and Hispanics by white folks hasn’t materialized, so what do we do with all of the minority on minority crimes after we pass “hate crime” legislation? Try them as haters?
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Wow. I’m impressed at your ability to cram this much nonsense into one paragraph. Formidable.
You appear to be operating on a couple of erroneous assumptions here. First, that hate crimes can only be perpetuated against minorities, and second, that only hate crimes can be prosecuted as crimes.
Do you really not know what a hate crime is? It’s bias-motivated violence against another person. That bias doesn’t necessarily have to be against a person’s race — it can also be against a person’s religion, nationality, or sexual orientation. So if a black man assaults another black man because that man happens to be gay, that’s a hate crime. And one need not be a minority to be a victim — if a black man kills a white man because he’s white, that’s a hate crime.
I’m sure you’re smart enough to realize that not all violent crimes are motivated by prejudice and hatred. People kill others, assault others, and vandalize others’ property for a wide variety of reasons. They’re still crimes, and are prosecuted as such. It’s not like people are getting off scot-free if hate can’t be proven.
Furthermore, the designation of “hate crime” isn’t a stand-alone charge. What it does is augment the charge of the crime itself, calling for a greater sentence. For example, if a couple of Klansmen knock out a Jewish man because he’s Jewish, tie him to the bumper of a car, and drag him along the road until he’s dead, that’s a hate crime. But the charge will still be murder, with the “hate crime” charge tacked on — resulting in a harsher sentence.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:10 amTent, I already won that one. Adolf, Stalin and Mao were Left wing ideologues. Just because you forgot your history doesn’t mean I have to forget mine.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:10 amAnd to further demonstrate the cluelessness of the repugs:
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC): GOP lost Pennsylvania because “forced unionization” caused Republicans to flee the Northeast for the safety and comfort of the southern motherland.
Being a member of the Greedy and Obstinate Party has detrimental effect on the brain.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:11 amdrew3rd, you can’t checkmate anybody, when you are playing checkers.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:11 amAnswer the hate crimes dilemma. How do you PROVE, IN COURT, the evil in a man’s heart. You can prove what he did, but , what he thought? Even liberals aren’t that stupid.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:11 amA person who has been found guilty of a crime, the commission of which was shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have been motivated by the victim’s actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, or physical or mental disability, shall be punished as follows:
Poor drew3rdinthebrainslottery.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am9/11 was a bush thing.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:12 amAngels , you have cut me deeply, how shall I ever recover?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am…were Left wing ideologues.
Stupider than dirt.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 amNot much of a lawyer, there, areya drew3rdandgota3anda4?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 amdrew, learn to play chess.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 amWell, there you go, missmolly. Injecting intelligence and enlightenment to an argument.
Prepare to be ignored by dewie.
I’m just waiting for him(?) to explain how the murder of Matt Sheppard (may his soul rest in peace) WAS NOT a hate crime (being it was white on white).
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 amdrew3rd, sucking deep and hard on the talking points from his esteemed lover, er, leader, Limpballs
April 29th, 2009 at 10:14 amThe Ninth Court decision is being played as a defeat for Obama, but I am not sure that it isn’t what he wanted anyway — to have the court decide that certain acts by Bush&Co were illegal and won’t be legal under any other administration either.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 amHis DoJ is in a conflicted position – a court’s decree takes it out of their hands.
Well I’ll see you guys later. anyone who believes Stalin, Mao and Hitler were right wingers when their party names had SOCIALIST in the them, I can’t be bothered. You guys lost, you never told me how the criminal justice system would determine the thoughts of a man while perpetrating a crime. Rather than admit it can’t be done, you sidetracked and obfuscated because you do not possess the intellectual honesty necessary to stop lying to yourselves. That is the greatest lie of all. Solzhenytsn would see you clearly.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 amAny lawyer worth his salt can present evidence of motivation. Could be something the person said, wrote, or otherwise indicated. Doesn’t have to be a thought. Geez, shortstraw, get a brief.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 amRegarding Specter’s defection to the Democratic Party, I realize that many think we need to embrace the “moderate” voters, unlike what the Republofascist party,which has decided to weed out anyone that has someone other than the top 5% income brackets and anything other than militaristic imperialism of of the world as their priority.
That being said, I would suggest that the Democratic party not target a “moderate” population of voters, but nearly all voters, or those that comprise 95% of 300 million Americans who make less than $250K per year.
To encourage nearly all Americans to embrace the Democratic party, it is very simple. Pass legislation that improves their ability to provide for their families.
This includes serious trade policy reform, real national healthcare like the rest of the civilized world, free education as far as your motivation and your intellect will take you, real lobbyist reform, real election campaign finance reform, repeal of all anti-constitutional, pro-fascist, authoritarian legislation such as the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act and Fisa legislation, real reregulation of the banking industry and holding multi-national, investment class elitists accountable to the law.
Spectre, in my view, not only represents an opportunist politician, he also represents another Bayh-like fake Democrat that only tends to vote with Democrats on the trivial issues that have nothing to do with your ability to provide for your family.
We should not be embracing corporatists, we have too many of those already as we have seen based on the last statistics showing our economy shrinking about 6%, the looming depression, the unemployment and crappy job prospects since the living-wage jobs were sent overseas, the loss of unions, guaranteed pensions and the theft of retirement benefits by corporate ceos.
We don’t need more corporatists in the Democratic party. We need more real Democrats. FDR Democrats.
I hope Specter loses the Democratic primary and I hope the Pennsylvania Democratic voters are smart enough not to put a obstructionist DINO in the Senate as one of their senate representatives. Please pay attention to Specter and how much of a Democrat he is not between now and then.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:16 amOkay, Mr. “whites NEVER kill minorities”, care to explain how those 2 “white” boys from southern Texas who dragged Mr. Byrd behind their pick up truck until he was split in half WAS NOT A HATE CRIME???
April 29th, 2009 at 10:17 amThe media is misleading us about the child dead of flu in Texas. The child was a Mexican citizen visiting Texas just for medical treatment. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090429/hl_nm/us_flu
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 amBoehner’s convoluted thinking is on display again.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 amHe doesn’t believe in hate crimes legislation because it doesn’t keep Americans safe — what does he think – that victims of hate crimes are safe?
Does he mean to imply that he is not opposed to hate crimes?
What an idiot!
dewie3rd Says:
Well I’ll see you guys later.
I accept your defeat, and patiently await another great fabricated story from your life!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 amdrew3rd had to go, running late for that rally and his hood and robe are still at the cleaners…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:19 amAnyone else notice that when missmolly specifically answered the question that dewie3rd so forcefully requested, he(?) disappears?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:21 amCoward.
So Molly, you’ll be for the death penalty in a murder case, then? I like the idea of liberals advocating for harsher sentences, I really do Molly, but this legislation isn’t designed to lethally inject young black men who cold cock an unsuspecting Indian and piss in his mouth as he dies, for example. This is for your example of Klansmen dragging a black man to his death, which happens as often as my example. The death penalty suffices IMHO for both crimes. Murder CAN be proved. Hate legislation is foolishness as it CAN’T be PROVED. I appreciate your effort. the rest of these guys started calling the greatest leftist despots in world history right wingers. Please help them as best you can.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 amdrew3rd grader: Timothy McVeigh was not a liberal.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 amBeetle, ever notice how you couldn’t answer the question, moron.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 amwatchpupdroppings:
YOUR QUOTING AN EDITORIAL??????????
Take your hand out of your underwear and truly GET A GRIP friend.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 amSo blotchdog, taking a quick time off from disrespecting the families of our brave men and women?
Obama’s approval rating for the first 100 days
6 OUT OF 10!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:25 amSuck on that while you hunker back to your hate filled disgusts of our true heroes!
Tent, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars haven’t reached a trillion dollars in 6 years. We’ve spent 4 trillion in preident Obama’s first hundred days. That would be like 4 Afghanistan and Iraq wars in his first hundred days.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:25 amPost-military activities and lifestyle of Timothy McVeigh
After leaving the Army in 1992, McVeigh grew increasingly transient. At first he worked briefly near his hometown of Pendleton as a security guard, where he sounded off daily to his co-worker Carl Lebron, Jr. about his loathing for government. Deciding the Buffalo area was too liberal, he left his job and began driving around America, seeking out his old friends from the Army.[21]
McVeigh wrote letters to local newspapers, complaining about taxes:
“ Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate “promises,” they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight … Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn’t come to that. But it might.:[22]
April 29th, 2009 at 10:26 amSound familiar? Like teabaggers ranting about taxes, etc.? Sound like Beck, Hannity and Bachmann’s Revolutions and wars?
Chavez, he most assuredly was. Stalin, Hitler and Mao were lefties as well.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:26 amVery telling how the latest batch of trolls accurately resemble a special needs child who has been left home alone with the computer on.
ROCK ON.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:27 amdrew3rd = pwned…AGAIN.
And so it goes when one has the indelible marks of someone else’s testicles on the inside of their cheeks…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 amWe have been spending 180 billion a year. That’s our cost, not counting the economic engine created from wartime activity, so the cost is actually much less. 3 trillion may be the world wide cost (doubt it) so an axiom my grandmother used to pass along comes to mind. don’t believe everything you read.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 amThese are my thoughts on the Democrats getting a shot in the arm from Senator Magic Bullet.
To put it succinctly, I am not impressed. With either Specter or Obama/Biden.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:30 amTent of Freedom Says:
“You are a fungus on the sole’s of Americas shoes.”
Easy now…although misunderstood by most, funguses are good and necessary organisms.
I think $hit on the soles of Americas shoes is more apt. Everyone understands $hit.
In fact, both in a metaphorical and physical sense, fungus dissolves $hit other organisms cannot and turns it into something useful.
This guy is no fungus.
(I’m a little protective)
Mycelium
April 29th, 2009 at 10:31 amYes Bush spent us into oblivion, but that was social programs, not the war. Now president Obama is spending MORE money. Usually we Democrats can be entrusted with the economy, this time I have my doubts. I had hoped he would be Clinton less the diddling intern stuff. He’s spending too much money to ever get this thing righted.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:32 amThe thing I find interesting is that Boehner can moan about ‘keeping America safe–but vote against pandemic preparedness and back Bobby Jindal’s sneer at ‘volcano monitoring.’
Safe–but not safe from volcanic eruptions–not safe from flu epidemics–not safe from levees breaking. Not even safe from Mexican drug cartels with assault weapons. No, just those ultra-ninja cyborg terrists.
It’s not a concept–just a buzzword.
In the interim between 9/11 and Iraq, the thing that most bewildered me about the Republicans was their complete lack of interest, even for PE purposes, in things like container shipping, chemical plants, and railroad shipments. One thing I agreed on with my more paranoid friends was that we should get used to soldiers manning the airport scanners for the foreseeable. But no, after the initial fear offensive, it was back to letting chemical companies supply their own security, container shipping uninspected, and the first responders? Who cared about them? It was bewildering. Their attitude seemed to be that fun’s fun, and we’ll give you orange alerts but forget about things that would actually cost a corporation money. Were they that stupid.
Ultimately, yes. Their ownership of the media was enough to win the 2004 elections, yes. And I think they felt that that was all they needed. And it wasn’t.
One of my paranoid friends, who was constantly going on about martial law and the cancellation of elections, gradually stopped doing so, mainly because the Republicans were treating the military so shabbily. Any banana republic dictator would have shaken his head in disgust–but Bush and Cheney were not warriors, but war profiteers.
Al the theories about the republicans being the ‘daddy party’ are off target when it comes to the current party. They aren’t Daddy–they’re Mommy’s shiftless boyfriend who lifts the kids’ lunch money. The 8-year Republican Hegemony turned out not to be a spectacle of militarization of the US, though they did destroy the civil rights structure of our country. But what they did with it was not totalitarian state with a soldier on every corner, but a colossal flim-flam that looted the nation.
If there’s one thing the American people don’t feel right now, it’s safe. And the polls show that they know who to blame–and it ain’t Barack Obama.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:32 amdrew3rd Says:
How do you know when someone has commited a hate crime?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
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When someone commits an offense against another person that is motivated by the victim’s race, ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual preference, or other factors, it’s a hate crime. It doesn’t matter whether the perpetrator or the victim is a minority.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:33 amWhere’s Molly? I thought I had found domeone who could debate the topic rather than change the subject with fairy tales of 15 Trillion dollar debts from war.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:35 amTent, why do you not answer the hate crimes points I have offered. How do you PROVE hate IN COURT? Have you conceded?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:36 amIs it just me, or are the trolls getting weaker and dumber?
First we have drew3rd claiming that Adolph Hitler was an extreme left-winger (the evidence being that his party had the word “socialist” in it) — completely ignoring how the Nazi party is generally considered to be THE historical standard of fascism. I wonder if he considers the American Nazi Party to be a bunch of leftists?
And then we have watchdog. His daily dose of cut-and-paste from wingnut sites seems to have been losing punch lately (not that it ever had much). It’s predictable, stale old news for the most part. Although I’m mildly impressed with how quick the Specter-bashing machine has been put in place.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:36 amdrew3rd Says:
3 trillion may be the world wide cost (doubt it) so an axiom my grandmother used to pass along comes to mind. don’t believe everything you read.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
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$3 trillion is the total cost to the country when you count government spending on the war and reconstruction, medical treatment for injured veterans, lost wages and productivity of those injured or killed in the war, the periodic rise in oil prices resulting from instability in Iraq, and the opportunity cost of domestic spending that was wasted in Iraq.
Your grandmother was no Joseph Stiglitz.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 amdrew3rd Says:
…anyone who believes Stalin, Mao and Hitler were right wingers when their party names had SOCIALIST in the them….
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am
The latest in a series of f ucktards who get their “education” from talk radio.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 amMolly, you can’t be serious. National banks(Deutschebank) and automobiles(Volkswagen) are the signs of a right wing government. The National Socialist Democractic Party(NAZI) was a left wing organization. I can’t believe I have to even point this out. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics(U.S.S.R.) with all of it’s 5 year central planning communicades make them a right wing government? and The collectivist government of Communist China is the bastion of Rush Limbaugh? We need more education here, obviously.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 ammisscoleopteramolly Says:
Is it just me, or are the trolls getting weaker and dumber?
Which is immediately followed by this:
blotchdog (hater of our soldiers) Says:
First you have to be a Caucasian American first off.
And was preceded by this:
pwn3rd Says:
I thought I had found domeone who could debate
There’s your answer, missmolly.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:42 amdrew3rd Says:
Chavez, he most assuredly was. Stalin, Hitler and Mao were lefties as well.
Hitler was such a “lefty” that his first acts on taking power were to abolish labor unions, and start throwing Socialists and Communists in prison, and such a “lefty” that he was brought to power by bankers and industrialists. But, oooooh, they had “socialist” in their name!
Wingnuts constantly make this claim about the Nazis no matter how many times reality is pointed out to them, and they never get it or at least never admit it.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:43 amThanks watchdog, finally a true account of “hate crimes” legislation.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:45 amYes Bush spent us into oblivion, but that was social programs, not the war.
LOL Bush spent money on social programs?!?! LOL Bush made sure any “spending” on social programs went to Neocon Evangelical religious propagandists.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:45 amwatchdog Says:
First you have to be a Caucasian American first off. Then the victim has to be a minority. All other crimes are just love crimes.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
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Not true. Caucasians can be victims of hate crimes. However, the vast majority of hate crimes are committed against African-Americans, Jews, Hispanics, and homosexuals.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:45 amwatchdog, are you now advocating shedding light on state secrets! Wow! What happened? When did you change?
Oh, and while we are at it, are you all for going back and opening the state secrets of the past eight years, now that you have suddenly seen the light?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:47 ammisscoleopteramolly Says:
First we have drew3rd claiming that Adolph Hitler was an extreme left-winger (the evidence being that his party had the word “socialist” in it)
April 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
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They may have a point. From now on, I’m going to continually remind them that Mao Zedong was a Republican, since he founded the People’s Republic of China.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:48 amDavid Koresh, Branch Davidians, Waco Texas.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:48 amwell, I don’t like hate crime legislation either, but it’s pretty stupid to be nauseated by it.
Personally I think an argument could be made that “hate” is an aggravating factor to an assault, murder what have you, but codifying it in legislation as opposed to judicial discretion seems like thought crime.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 amThe only thing that people dare correlate to the right wing is racism. However, liberals hate the Jews and right wingers love Jews so I don’t see a right wing connection there. Everything else was lefty loony. Collectivism, socialized medicine, aoutos, banks, schools and communities. All are left wing ideals. The worst racists I have ever encountered have been on the left as well. One cannot conclude that NAZI Germany, Stalinist Russia and Mao’s China were anything but Leftist ideologies in al of their glory.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 amwow, drew is impressive. confronted with absolute proof that he is 100% incorrect, he STILL pretends that he was right
right wing cowards are afraid of the truth
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 amhey drew, thanks for demonstrating to any fence-sitters just how depraved and ignorant you have to be to remain in the GOP!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 amToaster says; the vast majority of hate crimes are committed against African-Americans, Jews, Hispanics, and homosexuals.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 amYou are correct Toaster, They are commited by African Americans, Hispanics and homosexuals. One thing Blacks and Hispanics agree on, they hate Jews.
watchdog Says:
drew3rd Says:
How do you know when someone has commited a hate crime?
First you have to be a Caucasian American first off. Then the victim has to be a minority. All other crimes are just love crimes.
Wrong. There must be clear evidence that motivation to commit the crime is based on the race, religion, or sexual orientation of the victim. Racially motivated crimes against whites and religiously motivated crimes against Christians both receive protection under this law.
Don’t be so afraid the white male power structure that you and O’Reilly seem to hold so dear will crumble under this statute.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 amIsn’t it fun to watch boener throw-up and cry? The emotion is exhilerating to watch. Cry on lame one.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:54 amDo you mean the National Socialist Workers Party? As in the majority party in Germany during WW2, or some other party that had a crappy marketing department that was a left wing organization?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:54 amdrew, the racist coward really thinks he can speak for ALL “Blacks and Hispanics”
drew has to be a liberal just posting nonsense to make right wingers look bad
April 29th, 2009 at 10:55 amdrew3rd Says:
Toaster says; the vast majority of hate crimes are committed against African-Americans, Jews, Hispanics, and homosexuals.
You are correct Toaster, They are commited by African Americans, Hispanics and homosexuals. One thing Blacks and Hispanics agree on, they hate Jews.
No facts, all ignorance. Keep showing your true colors, that way people will be forewarned to steer clear.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:55 amdrew3rd Says:
One cannot conclude that NAZI Germany, Stalinist Russia and Mao’s China were anything but Leftist ideologies in al of their glory.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
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Excuse me? The Federal Republic of Germany? The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? The People’s Republic of China?
One cannot conclude that Hitler and Stalin and Mao were anything but REPUBLICANS.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:55 amexcellent job, drew, your parody of right wing lunacy is spot-on!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amYes Bush spent us into oblivion, but that was social programs, not the war.
You’re going to break you back and or neck if you don’t stop trying to self-fellatiate like that.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amBTW, I am a Truman/Kennedy Democrat. I don’t like the loony left and tey don’t like me. I am glad we destroyed Nazi’s and Soviets. They were everything that is wrong with government controlling people’s lives. One day, maybe the U.S. and China will live in freedom. We won’t get there with the failed policies of Stalin and Hitler. People’s cars and natuionalized banks gives you the Skoda/Volkswagen and crushing poverty of the 20’s-90’s.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amWhen asked by the Washington Times to grade his party’s 100 days of opposition, Boehner replied, “I think our team’s doing fairly well, considering the barrage that’s coming at us.”
I’d give the GOP an A+ on 100 days of obstruction (which is what their term “opposition” really is) and an F on the results of their obstructionism. Since their brethren is now down to 21% and a 30% approval rating in Congress (down 8 from two months ago), I’d say that their obstructionism is hurting their party rather than helping.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amYou know, for 1 split second, I was going to control my troll bashing and request a couple of questions for pwn3rd, to open a healthy debate.
1) Please explain how the murder of Mr.Byrd was NOT a hate crime.
2) Please provide proof of the Oklahoma City bomber being of liberal beliefs.
But then I read this doozy:
One thing Blacks and Hispanics agree on, they hate Jews.
…and I knew that a “debate” was not possible with pwn3rd.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amNope, not at all.
Racist mucking foron!
drew3rdgrader & snoozepup:
Help to save America, get a vasectomy
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 amdrew3rd Says:
…One cannot conclude that NAZI Germany, Stalinist Russia and Mao’s China were anything but Leftist ideologies in al of their glory.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Well, that settles it then. Please provide a link to a reputable site, where I can educate myself on the lefty Nazis.
Thanks.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 amkeep it going drew, there may be a few people reading that haven’t completely accepted just how sad and silly the paranoid ravings of the lunatic right wingers are
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 amDeebaser, it was Democratic party until 1939. Hitler began in 1932. Mei Kampf is a favorite of Liberals. It talks of this period. You should read it, you’d love it.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 amI don’t know about that. After all, dewie is doing contortions to teabag Boehner.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 amdrew3rd Says:
Toaster says; the vast majority of hate crimes are committed against African-Americans, Jews, Hispanics, and homosexuals.
You are correct Toaster, They are commited by African Americans, Hispanics and homosexuals. One thing Blacks and Hispanics agree on, they hate Jews.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
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Again, not true. Of the hate crimes in which the offender’s race is known, blacks comprise only about 1/5 of perpetrators.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 ampwn3rd Says:
BTW, I am a Truman/Kennedy Democrat.
woo hoo! Another fabrication. How lucky for us.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 amdrew is a mucking foron? I just thought he was rucking fetarded!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 amZooey, you didn’t just ask me to link a site for the histories of NAZI Germany, Communist China and Soviet Russia? Sorry honey. You should have learned all of this in High School and College.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 amUncle Ho Says:
drew3rdgrader & snoozepup:
Help to save America, get a vasectomy
No need to. I have a feeling the only way these two will ever get laid is by saving up for a trip to Vegas, or chloroform.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:00 amSoon, the radical right will have to just leave America outright.
It’s just too socialistic for their taste.
Good riddance.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amI hate Mormons. I have always hated Mormons. I tell everyone I know, I put it in emails, the walls of my bedroom are covered with pages of the Book of Mormon spattered in blood because, well, I really hate Mormons.
In fact I went down to the Tabernacle and shot the first 15 through the door because they were Mormons.
But my lawyer buddy drool3PO (or something) says that no one will be able to prove that I shot them because they were filthy fcking Mormons. And he is one sharp dude. I think. Sometimes he twitches in a funny way and he keeps touching me down there, but he is definitely not Mormon.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amObviously, she did, and, because she’s a nice liberal, is trying to share her education with you, for free! It’s just how we help the misfortunate.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 amGee Toaster, Thanks. I keep hearing about all of this Black on Black crime in Baltimore, Camden and Philly. I guess the white folks are getting after all of these young black men that are ending up dead in the Northeast.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 ampwn3rd Says:
Zooey, you didn’t just ask me to link a site for the histories of NAZI Germany, Communist China and Soviet Russia? Sorry honey. You should have learned all of this in High School and College.
Translation:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 ampwn3rd can’t provide any links or proof since all it’s ever learned is from Oxybreath, to which pwn3rd revers as godlike.
MSNBC is reporting this exactly. What news are you listening to?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 amHere is a very well layed out paper that clearly dispells the troll’s assertion of Hitler being a leftist:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 amhttp://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
drew3rd Says:
We won’t get there with the failed policies of Stalin and Hitler.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am
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You’re right. That’s why Obama took the “kill all the Jews” and “invade Poland” planks out of his platform.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:03 amdrew3rd Says:
How do you know when someone has commited a hate crime?
For your edification, here is what a hate crime is all about. It has nothing to do with the examples you gave. But, then, I’m betting you know that already.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:04 am
President Obama isn’t low income and didn’t need a voucher did he?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 amTommy, link a website for world history? No you’re going to have to do some reading. John Toland’s account of Htiler is very good. Alexsander Solzhenytsn’s Gulag Archipelago is very informative. You can’t just flip to website, you might be told Hitler was a right winger.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 ampwn3rd Says:
Gee Toaster, Thanks. I keep hearing about all of this Black on Black crime in Baltimore, Camden and Philly.
Wow. I didn’t know they even had Indian Reservations in Maryland!
Learn something new every day.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 amThe worst part is, you’d believe it.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 amdrew3rd Says:
Tent, why do you not answer the hate crimes points I have offered. How do you PROVE hate IN COURT? Have you conceded?
Easy, you water-board them until they admit it. That’s how they proved the unlawful combatants at GITMO hated America, right?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:05 amdrew3rd, please do yourself a favor and try reading some history before you make a fool of yourself. I suggest you start with, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shire, and then try Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler, then come back and tell us what a bunch of lefties the Nazis were.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 amlol, drew, your parody of right wing idiocy is hilarious
keep it going!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 amBeetle, are you sore at me because Hitler socialized the car industry with an auto that shares your moniker, the Beetle. Yes, it was a big part of the holocaust, but it’s not your fault.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 amshoeless Says:
My father was an Eisenhower Republican. He saw this coming a long time ago. By 1992 he had enough of the growing extremism of the GOP and switched parties. When he told me he voted for Bill Clinton, you could have knocked me over with a feather.
My father was a staunch conservative all his life. We used to have political discussions and never agreed on anything. He was about as far right as someone could be politically and I was about as far left. He once told me that he predicted that once, before I die, I will vote for a Republican.
Well, guess what. He voted for Clinton twice! He died before Bush was elected but I doubt he would have voted for him. I tried to talk to him about his conversion but his response was “I don’t want to talk about it”. If the Republican party could drive out someone as conservative as my father was, that’s saying something.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 amAngels, read them. Not sure the repubs want to socialize the countries financial and automobile industry. That’s usually the realm of the left. Nice try though.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 amThe worst part is, you’d believe it.
THOU DOTH PROJECT TOO MUCH.
But the completely idiotic ramblings are educational at least to the mental health professionals here.
Sorry to interrupt, do go on…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 amDewie, murder is a a tried by regional courts. Hate crimes are tried in FEDERAL COURTS. Get it?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 amdrew3rd Says:
Zooey, you didn’t just ask me to link a site for the histories of NAZI Germany, Communist China and Soviet Russia? Sorry honey. You should have learned all of this in High School and College.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Obviously, I didn’t go to a great high school like yours. Won’t you help out those of us who are lacking the proper education?
Please? Pretty please…? I really want to learn!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 amdrew3rd Says
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Murder CAN be proved. Hate legislation is foolishness as it CAN’T be PROVED.
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Actually, bias-motivation can be proved. In a court of law (as well as everywhere else), “proof” is subjective. All it takes to prove something in court is to convince a jury of 12 people that something is true. Murder is proved when the jury is convinced it was murder. Hate-based motive is proved the same way. And when a murder victim is hanging from a rope tied to a tree branch with the N-word carved into his body, it’s not that tough to convince a jury that racial hatred was a motivation. Or when somebody’s home is spray-painted with the word “fagg0t”.
And no — I’m not a supporter of the death penalty except in extreme cases where imprisoning somebody without possibility of parole fails to remove the threat to society that person represents. There are a number of reasons for my position on this — 1) capital punishment does absolutely nothing to deter capital crime (if it did, Texas would have the lowest murder rate in the country), 2) capital punishment is costlier to taxpayers than imprisonment for life, 3) capital punishment tends to make martyrs of perpetrators (candlelight vigil, anyone?) and focus more attention on them than on their victims, and 4) loss of freedom for life is IMO a worse punishment than loss of life.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 amdrew is a performance artist! that is the most accurate skewering of the ignorance and cowardice of right wingers EVER!
hilarious! bravo!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 amJohn Toland’s account of Htiler is very good. Alexsander Solzhenytsn’s Gulag Archipelago is very informative.
The troll fails to recognize the propaganda it wishes to criticize.
The density of this one is on a galactic scale.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 amExactly, Doodle. Do you want the feds reading YOUR mind. I’d rather let people face a jury of their peers. I know I’m getting all constitutional and all, but calling in the Feds because you beleive you have read a mans mind is a little frightening. Someone just mentioned I was projecting. How do you like it?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:10 amlol, drew, you are the best!
I am impressed with the stamina you display in maintaining your parody of right wing “thought”
Keep it going! you are entertaining liberals and making us all a little happier, while keeping the hit count on TP high and making the site money
best parody ever!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:11 amangels81 Says:
… and then try Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler, then come back and tell us what a bunch of lefties the Nazis were.
Thom Hartman read passages from Mein Kampf on his show a couple of weeks ago. It sounded like a right wing screed against liberals because he substituted the word “liberal” for the word “jews” in the screed. The parallels were truly frightening in how the conservatives vilify liberals was so similar to how Hitler vilified the Jews.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:12 amMolly, would you sentence someone to a harsher punishment because they killed someone they hated or someone whose stuff they wanted? If you are not for the death penalty then the entire point is moot. Life in prison is as good as it gets in your case. HATE LEGISLATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN ERA WITCH TRIAL. She’s a hater, burn her.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 amShorter piss-soaked troll drew:
HELL YES WE’RE PANICKY. YOU MEAN YOU CAN TELL? IRRELEVANCY IS WHAT BROUGHT ME TO THIS PARTY, AND KNOW YOU’RE TELLING ME IT’S IRRELEVANT???
I’d avoid any high overpasses, top-floor observation decks, sharp objects, etc. for a while.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:15 amdrew3rd Says:
Angels, read them. Not sure the repubs want to socialize the countries financial and automobile industry. That’s usually the realm of the left. Nice try though.
If the repubs didn’t want to socialize the financial industry then please explain why Bush/Paulson GAVE the financial industry $350 billion with no strings attached and no oversight.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 amdrew3rd, since you said you read the books I suggested, please show me were and when the Nazis socialized the auto industry, or any industries for that matter. Even in the arms industry all during the war, everything was done by contract bids. Porsche lost out on the jet fighter bid, because the ME 263 was cheaper. Doesn’t sound like socialism to me, kind of sounds like capitalism.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:17 amHATE LEGISLATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN ERA WITCH TRIAL.
Great! More obscene ignorance, knew you wouldn’t let us down!
Witches were hunted by the faith-based conservatards for their “beliefs” which flew in the face of the religious whacks.
What we’re hunting is bigoted, rascists a**holes like you who offer nothing to the greater good.
And it’s obvious you’ve been personally affected by this potential legislation.
Poor baby, does it hurt?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:17 amdrew3rd Says:
Beetle, are you sore at me because Hitler socialized the car industry with an auto that shares your moniker, the Beetle.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
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And why was socializing the car industry a bad thing? Do explain.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:18 amHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
April 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am(tears welling up)
Okay (breath) Okay (breath). This is really (gasp) frickin’ hilarious.
(deep breath)
I don’t think…..I’ve ever……witnessed such a display of utter…..NONSENSE!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank you, pwn3rd!
told ya Beetle, drew is the best parody ever!
no real person could be that stupid!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:18 amdrew3rd Says:
Gee Toaster, Thanks. I keep hearing about all of this Black on Black crime in Baltimore, Camden and Philly. I guess the white folks are getting after all of these young black men that are ending up dead in the Northeast.
Why would a black person commit a racially motivated crime against a black person? I think herein lies your utter disconnect on this matter, the failure to even acknowledge the existence of racism.
Also, your strange leaps of logic seem to indicate severe mental instability and megalomaniacal behavior: delusions of grandeur, paranoia, feelings of moral and intellectual superiority, contempt for the perceived “other,” complete lies and fabrications to bolster your own positions and ideas. Maybe you need some help.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:20 amdrew3rd Says:
I’m still waiting for his explanation of the NRA-member, Republican-voting ex-military “liberal” McVeigh.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:21 amtoasterhead, drew could make something up about the car industry for ya, seeing as Hitler didn’t socialize any industries.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:23 amdrew3rd Says:
Gee Toaster, Thanks. I keep hearing about all of this Black on Black crime in Baltimore, Camden and Philly. I guess the white folks are getting after all of these young black men that are ending up dead in the Northeast.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am
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What does that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that these were all motivated by race?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:25 amSure and Prescott Bush, GHW Bush’s father was a liberal Democrat when he was working with Hitler.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:26 amTweester Says:
Maybe you need some help.
I suggest Risperdal Consta 50mg IM every 2 weeks.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:28 amUsually keeps psychotic episodes low to non existent. And as a bonus, pwn3rd gets to drop pants twice a month!
drew3rd Says
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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“Molly, would you sentence someone to a harsher punishment because they killed someone they hated or someone whose stuff they wanted?”
– I’d give a harsher punishment for a hate crime. Although murder for any reason is a very serious crime and merits a very serious punishment.
“If you are not for the death penalty then the entire point is moot. Life in prison is as good as it gets in your case.”
– No, it’s not really moot just because I’m not a fan of capital punishment. If the sentence given for a crime is the maximum possible sentence for any crime (whether it’s life without parole or death), you’re right that adding additional punishment for hate motivation would be impossible. Where a harsher sentence would come into play would be if the basic crime results in a lesser sentence — such as life WITH the possibility of parole, or a long non-life sentence (20 years or more, for example). But even if I supported the death penalty, adding the hate crime designation still wouldn’t add any severity to the sentence if the penalty without it is death.
“HATE LEGISLATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN ERA WITCH TRIAL. She’s a hater, burn her.”
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am– My, my. We’ve switched our argument from “hate motivation can’t be proven” to “hate legislation is a witch hunt”. Would you like to pick something and stick to it? This isn’t dodge-ball.
Who said you can’t get a jury in a federal court. Here’s a clue, there are federal courts all over the country you don’t have to go to Washington or anything. If a local prosecutor messes up or the police do as in the OJ Simpson case you mentioned, if there’s clear evidence that the crime was motivated by religious, sexual or racial hatred it gives another court a chance to provide justice without double jeopardy. Why do you and Boehner want criminals to go free?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 amdrew3rd Says:
Beetle, are you sore at me because Hitler socialized the car industry with an auto that shares your moniker, the Beetle.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Drew’s delusional behavior seems to latch onto the buzzword “socialize” and completely neglect the traditional definition of fascism
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
The word social in the definition triggers Drew’s delusion, and in no way correlates the policies of Hitler with progressive politics.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:33 amI beg to differ. He’s not entertaining like Darryl is. Sure he’s as stupid as Daryll but not as much fun.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:34 amdrew3rd Says:
Molly, would you sentence someone to a harsher punishment because they killed someone they hated or someone whose stuff they wanted? If you are not for the death penalty then the entire point is moot. Life in prison is as good as it gets in your case. HATE LEGISLATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN ERA WITCH TRIAL. She’s a hater, burn her.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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I would sentence someone to a harsher punishment if the crime was motivated by the victim’s race, ethnicity, gender, orientation, religion, or other factors.
A crime motivated by money or personal grudge only targets the individual victim. A crime motivated by hate for a group targets the broader group, and is thus a more serious and detrimental crime to society as a whole. It therefore makes logical sense to punish these crimes more harshly.
It’s not a witch trial at all. Quite the opposite, in fact, considering that the Salem witch trials were quite a good example of hate crimes motivated by gender and religion.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amDrew, I’m still waiting for you to show me, when and were Hitler socialized any industries in the Third Reich. Even in the occupied countries the Nazis sold their industries to people like Krupp and Porsche.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:38 amdrew has probably broken down and has reverted to his normal, incoherent, near-catatonic state. His core temperature probably rose too high from the furious and obsessive typing and after a few too many mis-firing synapses (what happens when he “thinks” too much) he probably had a grand mal seizure and is wimpering in front of his computer in a puddle of his own sweat.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:43 amTweedster Says:
drew has probably broken down and has reverted to his normal, incoherent, near-catatonic state. His core temperature probably rose too high from the furious and obsessive typing and after a few too many mis-firing synapses (what happens when he “thinks” too much) he probably had a grand mal seizure and is wimpering in front of his computer in a puddle of his own sweat.
I don’t think that’s sweat…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:45 amLuis Chapulin M Says:
I don’t think that’s sweat…
With all the hysterics I am sure that drew is well acquainted with a body fluid frappe.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:50 amThe other threads are starving.
Which dummy is spouting off on this one??
April 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pmoh.
it’s that drew person.
let me guess – he’s going off, all Lou Dobbs style, re: flu and Mexicans.
how very pedestrian of him.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThe Nazi Party is generally described as being at the extreme or far right of the left-right political axis; however in some two dimensional models, such as the political compass, the Nazi Party is categorized alongside both authoritarian left-wing and authoritarian right-wing parties as authoritarian.[6]
FROM WIKIPEDIA
April 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pmWrong tombaker. He’s teabagging Boehner who is nauseous from Obama wanting to prosecute hate crimes or something.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pmthanks for the correction shayne – and condolences to you for having to know what he’d been posting. i just wasn’t going to go there once i saw who it was fluffing the thread.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
I would sentence someone to a harsher punishment if the crime was motivated by the victim’s race, ethnicity, gender, orientation, religion, or other factors.
I feel this is especially important for hate crimes that would otherwise fit into the legal category of a less serious offense. Without the definition of a hate crime, burning a cross in a black family’s yard, or painting nazi graffiti on a jewish home, would just be criminal trespass, or vandalism, or some such when both the act and it’s effect on the victim clearly amount to more.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pmHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said President Obama’s push for progressive policies, including a hate crimes bill, “makes me want to throw up”…
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Oh, yes…that’s very mature! This is how how he chooses to convey his displeasure with White House policy?? Couldn’t he have made at least a halfhearted stab at communicating his disagreement in a mature and diplomatic manner more befitting his position as one of the foremost members of Congress instead of being so utterly rude and juvenile? Hmmmm, wonder if this sort of thing is part of the reason why some people have chosen to desert the Republican Party…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pmI can only stomach a little bit of it, but occasionally I tune into Fauxnews, my excuse is “primarily for the entertainment value”. I’m sure others are guilty of this also.
Take a look at the background of their main newsroom some time. Behind the talking heads people can be seen viewing websites on computer monitors and pecking away at keyboards.
Makes me wonder if this isn’t the hive of some of our trolls.
C’mon…give us a wave Drew!
Not you?
Then if you’re not getting paid for the entertainment you’re providing…you’re a fool and a seriously misinformed and misguided individual.
However, I cannot exactly accuse you of being stupid. I understand deprogramming a dittohead takes time and patience.
Do yourself a favor. Re-read all of your posts and ask yourself if YOU really believe what you wrote. The exercise is to eliminate any views inspired by Rush, Sean, BillO, or any other reightwing entertainer and replace them, for instance, with the teachings of your favorite religion. (If Jesus, not the vengeful reightwing Jesus…you know…the hippie one who taught all those morals and such)
April 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI understand completely. That’s what friends are for.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pmAnd on a darker note:
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Icebergs calve off after ice bridge stabilizing shelf collapsed in early April
Awwwww, I was looking forward to that link from the Droopy Troll. How will I ever learn about the lefty Nazis?
**sniff**
April 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pmDrew, those federal courts have juries. Silly.
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