Rice Channels Nixon: Since The President Authorized Torture, That Makes It Legal
Rice Channels Nixon: Since The President Authorized Torture, That Makes It Legal
Recently, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with some students at Stanford University, where she is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute. When a student asked whether Rice had authorized torture, she refused to take responsibility, saying only that she “conveyed the authorization of the administration.” She added that, “by definition,” once the president authorized “enhanced interrogations,” they were automatically legal:
Q: Is waterboarding torture?
RICE: The president instructed us that nothing we would do would be outside of our obligations, legal obligations under the Convention Against Torture. So that’s — And by the way, I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency, that they had policy authorization, subject to the Justice Department’s clearance. That’s what I did.
Q: Okay. Is waterboarding torture in your opinion?
RICE: I just said, the United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our obligations under the Convention Against Torture. And so by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture.
The Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur, who obtained the video, said Rice “absolutely pulls a Nixon” in her answer. Watch it (Rice’s answers come at 0:57):
Rice is attempting to hide her central role in approving torture, as the Senate Armed Services Committee report released last week highlighted. She gave verbal authorization to then-director of the CIA George Tenet to waterboard Abu Zubaydah in July 2002 — one month before the Office of Legal Counsel gave the legal justification for such torture.
Rice’s opinion that a presidential authorization — “by definition” — grants something legality is deeply disturbing. In fact, the United States — and its president — are bound by U.S. statute and international treaties that ban the use of cruel, humiliating, degrading treatment, the infliction of suffering, and the attempt to extract coerced confessions.
Memo to Rice: Bush may have been “the Decider,” but he didn’t have the authority to make an illegal act magically legal.
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That’s good enough for the Hague.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:45 amshorter Rice: The End Justifies The Means.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:48 amThis phrase should be repeated:
“Bush may have been “the Decider,” but he didn’t have the authority to make an illegal act magically legal.”
April 30th, 2009 at 9:49 amso, if Bush had said disembowelment was not torture, we could disembowel suspected terrorists and still not violate the International Convention Against Torture.
Sorry, Dr. Rice, but just because a President authorizes and act doesn’t mean it’s ok.
If a superior officer orders an illegal act, it is the duty of the foot soldier to refuse. “I was just following orders.” is not an excuse. period.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:50 amher remarks are embarrassing for any american.
for republicans, it makes you GUILTY.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:50 amWow! How short our collective memory must be in America if we are to believe regurgitated Nixonian claims. I think there is more than enough war crimes culpability to go around for the Bush Administration.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:51 amIn regards to the States secret privilege Obama said :
Q Thank you, Mr. President. During the campaign you criticized President Bush’s use of the state secrets privilege. But U.S. attorneys have continued to argue the Bush position in three cases in court. How exactly does your view of state secrets differ from President Bush’s? And do you believe Presidents should be able to derail entire lawsuits about warrantless wiretapping or rendition, if classified information is involved?
THE PRESIDENT: I actually think that the state secret doctrine should be modified. I think right how it’s over-broad. But keep in mind what happens is, we come into office, we’re in for a week — and suddenly we’ve got a court filing that’s coming up. And so we don’t have the time to effectively think through what, exactly, should a overarching reform of that doctrine take. We’ve got to respond to the immediate case in front of us.
I think it is appropriate to say that there are going to be cases in which national security interests are genuinely at stake, and that you can’t litigate without revealing covert activities or classified information that would genuinely compromise our safety. But searching for ways to redact, to carve out certain cases, to see what can be done so that a judge in chambers can review information without it being in open court — you know, there should be some additional tools so that it’s not such a blunt instrument. And we’re interested in pursuing that. I know that Eric Holder and Greg Craig, my White House Counsel, and others are working on that as we speak.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:53 amI am hoping this means that the administration will be allowing these cases to go forward n the courts after some tinkering .
Not only is she unwilling to accept her own culpability in this fiasco, she actually agrees with Richard Nixon who believed that the president is above the law!
I hope the drip, drip, drip of memoranda will assure they all pay for their crimes.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:54 amI think they are all depraved miscreants, and those who support them are no better.
LoL I’m glad the next generation knows what is happening and knows that these people should be prosecuted.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:55 amShe should have her own rightful place in the dock, sandwiched between Cheney and Addington.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:55 amRegardless of the other factors involved in the torture and rendition programs past or future they are illegal, immoral and a violation of thousands of years of progress made by human civilization .
April 30th, 2009 at 9:57 amI am good to people who are good ,
I am good to people who are not good ,
because virtue is goodness …….
Tao te ching ( 500 bc )
And the GOP is confused about why they are being mariganlized…
April 30th, 2009 at 9:58 amTP glad you used the TYT video
April 30th, 2009 at 10:00 amHoover Institute?
April 30th, 2009 at 10:00 amPrehaps Condi is gwb’s mentor at Hoover?
This is a twisted logic that Miss Rice is using.
She said that we are not violating laws under the Geneva Convention,but if Bush approves ‘torture’…then it becomes legal.
But Miss Rice: this is not a ‘dictatorship’ here in America.
When this country signed the Geneva Convention agreement it became clear to all signing countries that any violation by anybody in the USA or any other country that signed the agreement to be considered a crime under International laws,and must be investigated,and people who committed such crimes should be punished.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:01 amWhere do they come up with these arcane arguments?
The “Tent of Freedom”?
April 30th, 2009 at 10:02 am“- And by the way, I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency,”
So Ms. Rice, as NSC and then Sec. State you weren’t part of the of the administration? What were you then, the maid?
RICE: “I just said, the United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our obligations under the Convention Against Torture”
So now she’s claiming she WAS part of the administration (… “the United States, we“…)and she’s also implying that the ‘legal advice’ given was somehow independent?
And as a History professor she should have known about the Tokyo Trials and the Nuremburg Trials and known that the US determined waterboarding as torture, and that “just following orders” is no excuse.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:02 amAnd so by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate////////
Stop right there, Ms Rice. Wrong. No president is above the law. Period. Stop. Now.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:04 amHer next tack into the wind will be “I was just following orders”…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:05 amRICE: “And so by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture.”
So why the FCUK did you need ANY ‘legal’ opinions on the EIT then?!! You stupid, lying, effing….!
April 30th, 2009 at 10:06 amGod is this the level of education afforded by a doctorate ? We live in a dictatorship ? The President has absolute power and is not bound by any law kn
April 30th, 2009 at 10:07 amRice was picked as NSA director as a token minority, not qualifications.
Rice followed Powell as Sec/State for the same reason.
Being accountable isn’t even on her radar screen.
Releasing the torture memos has opened the floodgates of information about what was really going on.
No matter where Condi goes, she smells like Bush. This is her legacy. She’ll deny, obfuscate, ignore and lie to maintain some kind of artificial legitimacy.
It won’t work.
Condi, all of you must pay a high price for violating America’s morals. This is the beginning. More damaging text and pictures are forthcoming. You cannot stop this. This is the will of the people. Lying about it to college kids will only hasten the tightening of the noose.
It’s your call, Ms. Rice. You wanted attention; you’ve got it.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:07 am“And by the way, I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency”
Condoleezza Rice – Witness for the Prosecution.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:08 amknown to god or man ?
April 30th, 2009 at 10:08 am21 +24 = one sorry post. eeeek
April 30th, 2009 at 10:11 amRice would have made a great Nazi. Repeat after me, Condi: “I was just following orders.”
PEACE
April 30th, 2009 at 10:14 amOMG, they have lowered themselves to the point where they are envoking the “Nixon” defense?! You gotta be kidding me. He was a crook, he resigned so that he would not be impeached.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:14 amBelieve me, the American public was glad to see him go. Kinda like how they felt when W. left. He was a crook, too.
According to Uygur, Rice also was extremely badge heavy prior to the clip he showed, berating the 1st student who brought up torture with “I’m Professor Rice, you don’t know what I know, do your homework before you ask me anything” horse crap. Condoleezza still think that BS shuts her questioners up. Notice she has to get in the last word with that kid. His expression says it all- “I smell bullshit.”
Enjoy yourself bullying the undergrads, Condi, while you still can. Clock is ticking on you no matter how you try to spin & lie the torture away.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:18 amIt’s amusing that the GNOP has turned the page in the Big Book of Lame Excuses from “well, Clinton did it” to “well, Nixon did it.”
Stanford should be ashamed to have this woman on campus, let alone lecturing.
PEACE
April 30th, 2009 at 10:19 amSounds more like her claiming that she was only carrying out the orders of the decider to me. Unfortunately the system will work from the ground upward. In the meantime W is riding his bicycle.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:23 amTo Ms. Rice:
I see that you have not remembered that no one (especially the President) is above the law. That was what brought down Nixon. And that is what will bring down Chimpy.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:25 amWithout a full mea culpa from the Bush administration and the GOP (and any others with inside knowledge)the GOP will continue to fall and the drums for justice and accountability will get louder.
Keep the pressure on.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:25 amPaging the trolls who claim Bush was not acting like a dicatator. Your explanation of what Rice was really saying is needed, stat!
April 30th, 2009 at 10:29 amNo matter where Condi goes, she smells like Bush.
ROTFLMAO
April 30th, 2009 at 10:29 amShe might as well just quote the concentration camp guards: “I was just following orders.”
April 30th, 2009 at 10:29 amI guess Condi missed her chance to kill a hobo…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:30 amCondoleeza Rice again falls back on the “we were told” defense. She was told it wasn’t torture so she can’t be held responsible. She wasn’t told anything needed to be done about the 9/11 plot so she didn’t sound the alarm. It is a clear sign that she was promoted to a pay grade far about her competence. The National Security Adviser and the Secretary of State are expected to act without guidance. The low caliber of Bush’s cabinet is perhaps his greatest failing. A strong cabinet would have been able to temper some of his more extreme proposals and to mitigate some of his most extreme failures.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:31 amSo can we expect Dr. Rice to take a leave of absence from Stanford to get away from those pesky questioning students? It’s different out in the world, out of the White House BushCo bubble, isn’t it, Condi? People want answers & “I was just conveying authorization, now STFU” won’t be enough.
Stanford students questioning v. trad. media questioning= no contest.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:31 amThe Bush Team are cats in a sandbox, covering their messes like their lives (or freedom) depended on getting it buried.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:32 amI’m pretty sure “I was just a conduit for orders” was tried at Nuremburg too.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:34 amNotice that she never answered the question. If she had answered, she’d be in more or less hot water — depending on her answer.
I don’t get why she doesn’t throw Bush under the bus — he’s surely throw HER under the bus.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:38 amHi Zooey:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:39 amI don’t know if you’d be interested by I finally learned something…
Congratulations to Ali, Cenk & that Stanford student. As commenter Art suggests, the tape is evidentiary. This is an important piece of reporting.
Rice is a good example of what happens to a person when she gives up her principles for ambition — not only does she prove ambition can twist the nicest person into an agent of evil, she shows in this tape that it’s nearly impossible to untwist a pretzel.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
April 30th, 2009 at 10:43 amCondi certainly took a sea voyage to go around a seashell, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to boil down what she said into five words (which confirm what many of us suspected long ago) — namely, “we thought Bush was God.”
Rice’s implication that Bush’s authorization somehow made “extreme interrogation” completely legal — despite the fact that Bush is not a lawyer and that his actions consistently showed a complete refusal to tolerate advisers who criticized or questioned him — only serves to suggest that my concerns about Bush over the last eight years were neither unfounded nor unreasonable. Bush clearly saw himself as being above the law, which tends to be a distinguishing feature of not only political despots but also of religious cult leaders — and Rice’s remarks leave me wondering if there was anything which Bush might have “authorized” to which she and other officials within the Bush administration would have refused their consent.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:46 amdbadass Says:
Hi Zooey:
I don’t know if you’d be interested by I finally learned something…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Always interested, db. I’m off to an exam, so send an email if you can. :)
April 30th, 2009 at 10:47 amBluestocking Says:
Rice’s remarks leave me wondering if there was anything which Bush might have “authorized” to which she and other officials within the Bush administration would have refused their consent.
Obviously not. Just waiting for the disemboweling and beheading memos to come out next.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:50 amMy apologies dbadass but after extensive research socrates learned something too .
April 30th, 2009 at 10:50 amAnd why did they start torturing before their attorneys spit out the memos ?
April 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amTo try to tie Iraq to al qaeda.
They knew the wmds didn’t exist and they were desperate to justify their invasion.
These fu{kers are so going under.
Rice has an advanced degree and Bush has the intellect of a very young child, so she cannot claim that she and others were justified in following the president – she is complicit as are all the others. What they all believed was, is that they were going to have a strangle hold on everything (the nation) and that if they didn’t toe the line they would be ostracized in the new world order.
Just as some interrogators resigned, so should have Rice and others in the Bush administration. She should have been embarrassed by being picked to replace Richard Clark.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amUnited States was told
uhm… who told the “United States”? By “United States” do you mean every citizen? Do you mean mean every elected official? Do you mean every Senator? or do you simply mean Cheny told Bush???
April 30th, 2009 at 10:52 amAnd thank’s to Socrates we all know not to eat the hemlock. Still I would prrefer to know truth and beauty…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:53 amCondi’s gonna look real good, up behind that Defendant’s table.
Wonder who will prevail in the scramble to cop a plea, her or Dick? Maybe Rummy is already dealing – haven’t seem him out and about much lately.
Somebody’s gonna sing to save their skin, and that’ll burn the whole macabre carousel right on down.
Whee!!
April 30th, 2009 at 10:54 amBluestocking Says: “Rice’s remarks leave me wondering if there was anything which Bush might have “authorized” to which she and other officials within the Bush administration would have refused their consent.”
I LIKE that question!
But here’s the inevitable answer: “I’m not going to answer a hypothetical question”.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:56 amdon’t they all take an oath to uphold the “Constitution”, not an oath to loyalty and obedience to the “president? These criminals are certoinly obtuse.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:00 amWHEN TORTURE OF AT ABU GHRAIB CAME TO LIGHT
RUMSFELD BLAMED BAD APPLES. BOY, HE WAS RIGHT!
THERE’RE ROTTEN TO THE CORE, NOT WORTH THE PRICE.
THEY HAVE THE NAMES BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD AND RICE.
http://www.mrdrinkwater.com/cartoons/09april-2009/uncle-sam-in-torture/
April 30th, 2009 at 11:02 amfreeman Says:
THE PRESIDENT: I actually think that the state secret doctrine should be modified. I think right how it’s over-broad. But keep in mind what happens is, we come into office, we’re in for a week — and suddenly we’ve got a court filing that’s coming up. And so we don’t have the time to effectively think through what, exactly, should a overarching reform of that doctrine take. We’ve got to respond to the immediate case in front of us.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:53 am
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Good answer. I can appreciate this, and hope he follows through on the idea of reforming the doctrine.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am5th Estate Says:
But here’s the inevitable answer: “I’m not going to answer a hypothetical question”.
The people they tortured were forced to answer plenty of hypothetical questions. The justifications given for torture have all been hypothetical scenarios. I think some hypothetical questions would fit right in.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:13 amMiss California will be campaigning against gay marriage.
Carrie Prejean/Sarah Palin 2012
April 30th, 2009 at 11:16 amSo why the FCUK did you need ANY ‘legal’ opinions on the EIT then?!! You stupid, lying, effing….!
Hey Fifth…how are you??? I am happy to see that a majority of American relize this was torture. No if’s and’s or buts !!!
As Canadians are not involved in your politics however, I can tell you we (the world)are watching to see if America walks the walk instead of talk the talk. I know most Canadians feel if nothing is done, THE US WILL NEVER BE TAKEN FOR IT’S WORD. IT WILL BE HYPICRITICAL FOR THE U.S. TO ENFORCE ANY INTERNATIONAL TREATY!!!!
Don’t stop your pressure, becuase if nothing is done, one day it will be ok to torture American citizens.
STAND UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS!!!!
One other note….the 1993 terror suspects who bombed the WTC were never tortured. The FBI had there own interigations which WORKED!!! Others were arrested, charged and CONVICTED of there crimes. WHY WONT THE MSM CALL OUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ON THIS FACT!!!!! NO TORTURE WAS DONE TO WTC SUSPECTS AND ALL WERE CONVICTED!!!
Keep up the good work Fifth!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 11:20 amNIxon got away with a crime he committed against the American people, Bush committed a crime to the World. It doesn’t matter if Bush said Torture was legal it’s still illegal in other countries he kidnapped the people from. Connie Rice should stick to playing the piano and leave serious stuff to the people who are educated enough to deal with this.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:23 amRegarding the reference in the first paragraph of the article: It’s the Hoover INSTITUTION, not the Hoover Institute.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:23 amI wonder if she waggled her jowls like Nixon when she said that.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:24 amFor such a genius, Ms. Rice sure is pretty f@cking stupid if she thinks that this defense will be acceptable. Condi, you willingly colluded in the creation of a torture program. Your boyfriend then, after the fact, had his lawyers try to justify it with their weak legal opinions. One of the students should have asked her if she has a preference to being tried in an American court of law under the RICO Act or an international tribunal at the Hague for war crimes. Surely being an astute student of history Ms. Rice would be able to have an informed opinion.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:27 amI think that Stanford should consider giving Rice an “honorary degree retraction” and possibly an actual “job firing” for being such a disgrace to the intellectual reputation of the college. Who would spend 50,000 a year to have their kids come out and show such lack of intellectual rigor.
She shames Stanford every time she trys to “explain” why she agreed with the arguments of moron’s…
April 30th, 2009 at 11:32 amRICE: I just said, the United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our obligations under the Convention Against Torture. And so by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture.
Thats one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. The kind of nonsense one expects to hear from Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann not a former National Security Advisor and Secretary of State.
Suggested reading for Dr. Rice
April 30th, 2009 at 11:36 amhttp://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cat/docs/CAT.C.GC.2.CRP.1.Rev.4_en.pdf
– And by the way, I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency, that they had policy authorization, subject to the Justice Department’s clearance. That’s what I did.
CYA much?
April 30th, 2009 at 11:45 amKnown* not know
April 30th, 2009 at 11:54 amJust a further reminder that at any age – junior high, high school, college, government. You are going to be know for the company you keep.
Rice is forever tied to this administration. She lied for this administration to get us into an illegal war in Iraq. She defended her boss at every turn. No matter how much she tries to cover her backside now, (or even then, apparently) she will always be somewhat responsible. She accepted the responsibility when she took the job. Now she has to live with herself.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:54 amI think Rice and the rest are going to get away with it. Hate to say it, but I do.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pmShe’ll never be able to go to Europe, either.
By coincidence, I’ll get the Frost/Nixon dvd in the mail today.
kayinmaine, I gave Cong. Foxx a big piece of my mind in an email today.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pmBut… but… but… Condi says she only conveyed orders.
April 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pmI am astonished that the idea of whether torture is right or wrong (Legal or illegal) is still up for debate. Then I realized it is because of a deficiency the Democrats have lacked for years. That is the inability to frame arguments.
Framing arguments, according to this article, and I agree, is the key to furthering the irrelevance of the G.O.P.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=517
April 30th, 2009 at 1:15 pm.
RICE Said:
Dear Condi,
What then is a Dictatorship but a country that jumps when it’s president says to?
.
April 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pmWhat if the President says to kill Someone, because he authorized it makes it legal?
Iraq & Afghanistan! Exactly that. How many US soldiers have been killed because of a lie from King George? 4,000 plus, $ 20,000 plus injured? How many innocents lost?
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld GO TO JAIL (or HELL) without passing gop.
DOJ, do your job!
April 30th, 2009 at 1:38 pmAnd if the President had authorized forced sterilization of minority females, Condy would argue that’s legal, too?
April 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pmHitler, Himmler, Rohm, Goebell’s and Goering.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rummy and Rice.
:|
Identify the differences.
April 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pmJust like it was okay to take down the World Trade Center with demolition while having Aircraft crash. It’s okay, because Bush had it done so he could have good reason to attack “terrorists”. After all the terrorist would have maybe done it, if they could,but just didn’t have the ability. The fact that the WTC came down by pre-installed demolition might upset things, but heck, that was almost a decade ago by now, we only want to look to the future, right Obama?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmLike most Republicans, she should try and channel the truth for a change. But it’s not going to happen. Every day, in every way listening to the republicans is like visiting the outer limits. No reality check could survive their constant abuse of the truth. They simply haven’t a clue to anything outside their own party. No common sense touches their philosophy. Not their own country in peril, not any losses they have, not any defections, not the loss of their own base. Nothing.
They are like this one trick pony. They say the same things, for the same reasons. They are interchangeable. When you hear one, if you close your eyes you hear the same from each one.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmIf the president does it, then it is legal.
Anyone care to remind me how well the Nixon doctrine played either to the public or to congress ?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Hitler, Himmler, Rohm, Goebell’s and Goering.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rummy and Rice.
One group has already committed suicide and/or been hanged.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pmOnly fascists think the President should be KING.
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As a Stanford graduate I’m especially ashamed of Rice and her performance in the Bush regime.
The failure to impeach Bush and Cheney was a devastating blow to the U.S. Constitution, American ideals, and the rule of law.
A failure to fully investigate and prosecute all those responsible for torture and other war crimes, including Rice, would be even more devastating.
We must keep grassroots pressure on law enforcement, Congress, and the Obama administration to follow the evidence wherever it leads, and fully prosecute the war criminals in our midst.
We must encourage other nations to speak their truth and help prosecute our war criminals.
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May 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pm[Activist, author, entrepreneur, business executive, Peace Corps volunteer, MIT graduate, Stanford University JD/MBA]
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We should have been waterboarding for years. Just think of all the good information we could have ascertained by now. Who cares if a few terrorists are a temporarily annoyed by some water over their face. That is not torture.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm