Rep. Foxx backtracks: My Matthew Shepard comments were ‘a poor choice of words.’
Rep. Foxx backtracks: My Matthew Shepard comments were ‘a poor choice of words.’
Yesterday, Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) generated intense controversy when she railed against The Matthew Shepard Act, which would expand the definition of hate crimes to “those motivated by gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and disability.” Foxx claimed that Shepard’s horrific murder was a “hoax.” “We know that that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn’t because he was gay,” she said. Watch it:
Today, Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solomnese — who was sitting in the House gallery with Shepard’s mother yesterday when Foxx made her comments — wrote the congresswoman a letter calling on her to make a full apology. Foxx’s office has now released a statement, saying that “hoax” was a “poor choice of words.” “I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added. However, she said she still stands by her belief that Shepard’s murder may not have been motivated by hate.
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So maybe she isn’t 100% full of hate and crazy?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWell, technically, it wasn’t motivated by hate, it was motivated by a repressed homosexual urge expressed as violent behavior due to societial strictures against homosexuality.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm“sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement”
That AIN’T an apology!
“IF” !!?!?!?!?!?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pmYesterday she was “sure” it was a hoax. I guess she’s taking the word of the murderers who in a much later interview claimed they weren’t picking on him because he was gay but just robbing him. Of course an ignoramus like this would believe two gay hating thugs, she can relate to their hate.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pmFox, in North Carolina, hate speech. Yes, that’s Fox.
I guess if she steps down she can find employment with Rush?
This lady should be bombarded with emails. She and people like her (and Miss dumber than Sarah Palin) California shouldn’t get the time of day.
Shame, Shame, Shame
April 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pmShe’s a sorry example of a Congresswoman
April 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pmFoxx’s office has now released a statement, saying that “hoax” was a “poor choice of words.” “I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added. However, she said she still stands by her belief that Shepard’s murder may not have been motivated by hate.
But, her office noted, she still can’t buy a clue even standing on a busy street corner with a fistful of hundred dollar bills.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pmIsn’t killing another person Hateful? SO wouldn’t a hate crime be an oxymoron? Why is killing one group of people worse than killing another. This is the stupidest law ever. A Murder is a murder!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pmWell, DumbOwl, ya see, If I just up and slit your throat then that’d be one thing.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIf I hated trolls with a fervent passion, and saw your trollass strutting down the street and slit your throat because your’re a dumbass troll, that’d be different, wouldn’t it?
The Wise Owl Says:
Isn’t killing another person Hateful? SO wouldn’t a hate crime be an oxymoron? Why is killing one group of people worse than killing another. This is the stupidest law ever. A Murder is a murder!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pmWhat a nasty excuse of an individual this evil #*@&% is. Textbook Reich-winger.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pmsacomment says:
consider the source, she has a (R) after her name, and that says it all.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pmBTW- Nazis murdered gay people too, but they did not consider that a hate crime either.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pmOops, what I meant to say to the Dumb Owl was what if somebody targeted polygamists for living with two women? Or Mormons for wearing goofy underwear and believing crazy sh#t?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pm.
Dear Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC),
Whats a bigot?
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April 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pmRep. Foxx is howing her Christian Values with strong hate in her heart. Now life gives us many surprises and Rep. Foxx fine one of her beloved grandchildren might be gay and she will have to rethink her position once it hits home. Many fine it easy to judge other until they fine it right in their family. Yes many come to realize love wins over hate and God sometimes helps that point along.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pmHum, Virginia Foxx
Well this statement of disgust against you is motivated by hate. Hate for you as dirty old bag whose words have betrayed her for what you are. You can pull yourself out of the dirt but you can never pull the dirt out of your heart.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm.
Wise Owl…
… NOW THAT’S AN OXYMORON!
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April 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pmMurder is murder. So you are saying that killing Gays is worst than killing a non Gay? This is ridiculous. Murder is murder. Murder is a Hate crime. Seriously, you “progressives” are really Fascists. What next we can’t insult Islam?
Dumb Ass Owl, did somebody ruffle your feathers? You are a freak show aren’t you?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pmRep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
– - She represents Winston-Salem. Looks like the witch hunts weren’t thorough enough.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pmI wonder what other words she would have chosen…?
BTW, dismissing the feelings of the offended party is merely expedient — and is not an apology at all. The art of apology is truly lost.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:17 pmShayne,
“Oops, what I meant to say to the Dumb Owl was what if somebody targeted polygamists for living with two women? Or Mormons for wearing goofy underwear and believing crazy sh#t?”
It still is murder. No different than if a Blood murdered a Crip for wearing blue instead of red. Murder is murder and it is wrong. WHy create a special class of murders?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:17 pmI’m surprised she didn’t use the traditional “my comments were taken out of context” defense.
And you’re right bwilliams, that was no apology.
PEACE
April 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pm.
So, the murders of Mathew Sheppard were gay?
Didn’t they pick him up in a gay bar?
On the auspices of having gay sex?
So why the robbery plea?
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April 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pmBoth “progressives” and the so called “christian” Right are both Fascists. Both want to impose their world views on others and remodel society. Now that the “christian” Right has been neutred, Moderates need to neuter the “progressive” Fascists.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pmDid you say Islam hoot owl? Don’t even go there. I have converted to Islam for getting all those virgins when I die? It’s a Republican wet-dream come true.
Religion, such a wonderful way of bringing loving people together at KKK rallies.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pmCongresswoman Foxx the proper thing to do would be to make an actual apology and not in a statement, but on the floor of the House where you made your original despicable comment.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm“Why do we need special laws to ensure that people who kill homosexuals get prosecuted? By the way, did I mention that gay guy’s murder was a big hoax?”
April 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pmWise Owl, you’re missing the point. The point of hate crime law is not to treat crimes against specific groups differently, but to differentiate between the motive for a crime.
If I lose my mind and kill somebody or assault them, it’s because I went crazy.
If I just have prejudice in my heart and decide I’m going to act on it, then the motive of the crime was to target a specific group based on my prejudice.
That make sense?
On a personal note, I’ve of two minds on hate crime legislation. Putting someone’s motives on trial seems dangerously close to thought crime to me, but in the same vein there seem to be cases (like Shepherd’s) where it’s completely obvious to the outside observer what the motivation for the crime was. It’s a tough line to walk, and I’m not 100% sure how I feel about it.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:21 pmHowever, she said she still stands by her belief that Shepard’s murder may not have been motivated by hate.
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Even though the perpetrators ADMITTED they did what they did because Matthew was gay? Is Foxx suggesting that they just loved Matthew to death?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pmRepublican party has no principals but failed principals.
The republican party won’t be coming back.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThis is the sorriest excuse for an apology by the sorriest excuse for a congressperson I have heard in a long time.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pmLast night Keith Olbermann did a story on Foxx and her stupid remarks. Matthew Sheppards mother was there. This woman lost her son because of some sick pieces of sht who probably are not comfortable with their own sexuallity. Foxx should be ashamed of herself.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pmFlag the “Wise Owl” aka Trahan troll.
It’s stinking up the place.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pmIt’s because of asinine statements by people like Congresscritter Fox and the response by certain people that shows just how much we need Hate Crimes legislation….
April 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pmYou are a Fascist. You are hostile and condenseding. The mark of a Fascist. Murder is murder. I don’t care if someoen is killed for money. I don’t care if someone is killed for being Gay. To me it is the same. It is the taking of another life. The reason you Fascists support Hate Crimes is because you are doing it to make Gays happy and more laws means more lawyers.
Murder is murder and killing is killing. End of story.
The “poor choice,” Rep. Foxx, was your election to the House. And that pseudo apology? Nowhere near good enough.
Go on the House floor & read a real apology into the record.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pmMen and women in Congress should ALWAYS behave as if Americans are watching in the galley. That would save a lot of angry letters from constituents and apologetic letters from Congress.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHey how about a Hate Crimes law for the killing of people with Red Hair?
Wise Owl,
Is it always? What about in defense of one’s own life or the life of a loved one? What about accidental death? What about unintended consequences?
It’s not always as black and white as you’d like to make it, and an open-minded person would see that.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pmcomment 43 was in reference to
April 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pm“Murder is murder. I don’t care if someoen [sic] is killed for money. I don’t care if someone is killed for being Gay. To me it is the same. It is the taking of another life.”
The Wise Owl Says:
republicans hate facts,
Murder is murder. So you are saying that killing Gays is worst than killing a non Gay?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
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Yes. It is worse than killing a “non-gay,” if the killing is motivated by the victim’s gender preference. It is also equally bad if a “non-gay” is murdered by a group of homosexuals if the killing is motivated by the victim’s gender preference.
Murder is not just murder. When the target is an individual, it is a danger only to the individual. When the target is a group, it is a danger to all members of that group, and the punishment should fit this more heinous crime.
Is this a double standard? Yes, absolutely. Unfortunately, we live in a society with a lot of double standards, where hate groups are increasingly targeting groups based on ethnic, racial, religious, and gender preference hatred.
When our society no longer has hate groups and hate crimes targeting minorities, I will gladly call for the repeal of hate crime legislation. Until then, we need to protect minorities from the tyranny of hate.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pmKB,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pmKilling in self defense is different. I am discussing Murdering a person in a crime. Let us say I go and kill a Blood because he wears Red. Should that not be a Hate Crime also?
chiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pmSo Gays are more special than non Gays? Seriously Murder is Murder! What is so hard for you progressive sto understand. If a Gay is killed because he is Gay how is that worst for killing someone because of teh color of their clothes? They are both dispicable acts and should be brought to justice.
I don’t believe in special rights or special laws.
The Wise Owl Says:
The reason you Fascists support Hate Crimes is because you are doing it to make Gays happy and more laws means more lawyers.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
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Funny, I’ve never seen Fascism defined as “the defense of minority segments of society against discrimination.”
Also, I’m curious about your “more laws means more lawyers” statement. Do you have any studies pointing to a correlation between the number of people entering the law profession and the passage of amendments to U.S. Code?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:34 pm“I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added.
“if”?
“IF”?
That’s not an apology, you vile, vicious vilifying slag.
There’s nothing I can write here at leasst which would do justice to my revulsion, disgust, and gut-sickness that I have to breathe the same air as this feculent, reaking, dripping execrescence of a ‘woman.’
But I wouldn’t trust myself in the same room with her.
I’ve lived in the west most of my life, and there’s one particular signal the killers sent which stated their intent more clearly than words: they strung their victim’s body across a stock-fence, which is the way the knuckle-dragging, slobbering rancher contingent disposes of the carcasses of the ‘varmints’–coyotes, wolves, etc–they kill. They claim it ’sends a message’ to other critters.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:34 pm“Until then, we need to protect minorities from the tyranny of hate.”
I know plenty of minorities that are very capable of defending themselves.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pmI guess the blue-haired old biddy didn’t bother checking facts. The two people charge and convicted for murdering Shepard admitted Shepard was targeted because he was gay.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pmNot sorry she said it……….just sorry she got caught.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
chiroptera,
So Gays are more special than non Gays? Seriously Murder is Murder! What is so hard for you progressive sto understand. If a Gay is killed because he is Gay how is that worst for killing someone because of teh color of their clothes?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
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I already explained this in my post. What is so hard for you morons sto understand?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pmSo “hoax” was the wrong word but the sentiment remains. Totally unacceptable!
http://www.tips-q.com/879689-virginia-foxx-must-resign
April 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Isn’t killing another person Hateful? SO wouldn’t a hate crime be an oxymoron? Why is killing one group of people worse than killing another. This is the stupidest law ever. A Murder is a murder!
Isn’t marrying another person an act of love and commitment? Why is the idea of having one group of people allowed to marry worse than allowing another group of people to marry? The anti-gay marriage argument is the stupidest argument ever. Love is love and a marriage is a marriage!
Also, Senile Old Owl, hate crimes would also differentiate between graffiti as vandalism when its a personal tag-name or picture, and graffiti on a church proclaiming “death to Christians!” or on someone’s home saying “Kill Whitey!” The latter two acts could even be loosely considered a terrorist act.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pmchiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmThe Progressive Fascists use “protecting minorities” mas an excuse to impose more controls on people. Stop acting like you guys really care about people. It is all about power. Gays are a component of the progressive machine, therefore to please them you will fight for their nagenda. Evangelicals are 30% of the population, this would make them a minority.
Evangelicals are pretty much hated by society, why not pass laws protecting them also? oops, they don’t vote for your side. This is all about power and you are kidding no one.
The Wise Owl Says:
chiroptera,
So Gays are more special than non Gays? Seriously Murder is Murder! What is so hard for you progressive sto understand. If a Gay is killed because he is Gay how is that worst for killing someone because of teh color of their clothes?
You can change your clothes. You can’t change your sexual orientation.
Ask Ted Haggard.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmHelen Rainier,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pmThey still are muderders at the end of the day. Don’t matter what their reasoning is.
Owl,there already is hate crime legislation to keep haters like yourself from targeting a group based on race or religion. To simplify bill just extends the legislation to cover hate crimes against homosexuals. The intent of the original legislation is to allow THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP WITH PROSECUTION OF THESE CRIMES IN AREAS WHERE THERE ISN’T THE ABILITY OR DESIRE TO HANDLE SAID PROSECUTION.
Why do you conservatives love the murderer and hate the victim?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pmowl, what about harsher penalties for cop killers? Does it bother you that this “class” is treated differently from “regular” people?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pmObviously there is nothing “wise” about this “owl”
his ignorance and cowardice are a “hoot” tho
April 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pmFart Owl Face sez:
The Progressive Fascists use “protecting minorities” mas an excuse to impose more controls on people.
You want to be free to attack people based on their religion or sexual orientation or skin tone? Sick indeed!
Evangelicals are pretty much hated by society, why not pass laws protecting them also? oops, they don’t vote for your side.
Actually dipshit, they would be protected under this law.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pmTweedster,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pmThis is all about power. That is all. Just be honest and admit this is to please members of your political coalition. JUst be real about it.
Stupid like a Foxx!!
way to throw more gas on yourself…
April 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pmLisa FTW Says:
owl, what about harsher penalties for cop killers? Does it bother you that this “class” is treated differently from “regular” people?
BOOYAH OWL!!! You have been pwn’ed MULTIPLE TIMES!
Why do you hate cops Owl?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pmAh, the old, “I’m sorry if YOU were offended.” Not I’m sorry for what I said. I’m guessing she thinks Matthew was killed for trying to steal the remote fence he was tied to.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
KB,
Killing in self defense is different. I am discussing Murdering a person in a crime. Let us say I go and kill a Blood because he wears Red. Should that not be a Hate Crime also?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
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No, if the sole motivation was the color of clothing the victim was wearing. That’s rather different than targeting a victim merely for being African-American or Hispanic or homosexual.
It IS, however, a somewhat different type crime than a crime of passion or a murder committed during a robbery, since it is gang-related. In this case, it may be that RICO charges apply also, which would also lengthen the sentence of the murderer.
Funny how the example you chose completely derailed your thesis.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pmAnyway Owl you ignorant tool, harsher penalties are not the issue, getting convictions especially in area where people as stupid as you might be willing to ignore a crime because the victim is black or gay or a woman.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm@47, 50 and elsewhere, “the wise owl” reveals its rampant, foul stupidity.
You cannot teach such pigs. They will not learn. But for any waverers, it should be obvious that the law makes plenty of distinctions, both in prosecutions and in punishments, on the basis of appraisable ‘intent.’ The “fowl” probably knows from personal experience the differences, but disingenuously pretends innocence to subtlety…
April 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Tweedster,
This is all about power. That is all. Just be honest and admit this is to please members of your political coalition. JUst be real about it.
You can’t even explain fully how it is all about power. What “power” does this bestow on the political coalition?
Give me a real answer or shut your beak.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmtokin librul Says:
But for any waverers, it should be obvious that the law makes plenty of distinctions, both in prosecutions and in punishments, on the basis of appraisable ‘intent.’
BURNED AGAIN OWL!!! READ IT AND WEEP!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmlol, wise owl thinks that, because it worked on him, the over-simplification of an issue will work on us
sorry that we aren’t binary enough for you, owl, you pansy little right wing coward
April 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pmOWL, SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW JACK SPRAT ABOUT THE LAW, HOW ABOUT YOU READ UP A BIT BEFORE GOING LOOSE AT THE BEAK!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pmdue to the rules of accuracy, “Wise Owl” is now known as “Stupid Chicken”
April 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pmThis is what’s being proposed – should a person target someone(s) for a crime based on the actual or perceived
race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the person(s) then it would constitute a hate crime.
All of those things are qualities that make us who we are, rather than the day to day choices that we make. If we are to choose to join a gang with all of the risks inherent therein then it’s not exactly like we’re being targeted for crime based on who we are rather than a specific choice that we made.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pmOff Topic:
You would think with all that is going on with tax payers bailing out the banks that the top headline today would be:
Senator Dick Durbin says that the banks own the US senate.
Durbin made that statement while appearing on the Ed Schultz show yesterday on MSNBC via a video feed.
Where is the outrage? Where are the tea-baggers? Senator Durbin while I admire your honesty the $64,000.00 question is, what is going to be done about this???????
April 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pmchiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmSOrry I don’t their should be special laws for murders just because someone is a member of a group. When you murder someone for being gay it is no different for killing someoen because you don’t like teh colors they wear. Hate is hate, hate motivates murders. To take someone’s life involves Hate.
Just be honest, this is all for politicas and for a just society. Just be real about it.
KB, that makes way too much sense, Stupid Chicken will never understand it
April 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
The Progressive Fascists use “protecting minorities” mas an excuse to impose more controls on people. Stop acting like you guys really care about people. It is all about power. Gays are a component of the progressive machine, therefore to please them you will fight for their nagenda.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
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Ok, fair enough. You caught me. I’m actually just fighting for the gay nagenda in order to control people and convert more Evangelicals to The Gay. And Islam. I won’t be happy until every church in the United States is converted into a gay fascist atheist mosque handing out free partial-birth abortions and horse porn.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmAnyway you look at it…Foxx is a vigilante hick. What kind of US lawmaker thinks its OK for a group of citizens to beat another individual to death, period? What about our legal system and everyone being entitled to a fair trial judged by a jury of their peers? Virgina Foxx is what is wrong with America. How can the US forge ahead in the 21st century with lawmakers such as her (and there are plenty of them apparently) living in the Dark Ages. Extremist hate-mongers like her are as nuts as any jihadi extremist and just as dangerous.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmOh those silly, scumbag republicans sure know how to spread the Hate…
….it just comes naturally to them, just rolls off the tongue.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmVirginia Wolf…I mean Fox should resign immediately from office for her heartless, despicable comment on the floor of congress!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmStupid Chicken leaps to the defense of murderers, because he is scared of admitting his own homosexual desires, lest he also be targeted
April 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmTweedster,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pmI have freedom of speach. You Fascists haven’t taken that away yet. SO too bad. I think this is a stupid law and I will be against it. Murder is Murder.
The Wise Owl Says:
You know that EVERYONE would be protected by hate crimes law…So if an African-American kills a Caucasian man saying Cracker or whatever, he would be charged with a hate crime as well. There are no special classes granted here. That is nothing more than a canard by those who claim that hate crime laws would victimize THEM by taking away their right to express hate (hate crimes laws do not punish speech, they punish acts of violence done in the name of hate)
April 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThis owl is such a hoot.
bad pun for a bad owl.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pmchirotera,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmHa ha ha ha ha very funny. No your agenda is control and imposition of the “progressive” world view. No different than the Christian Right. Just like them your side will be thrown to the wind eventually. Many Democrats aren’t with the ‘progressive” agenda.
By the way, I bet the Supreme Court will throw this law out.
The Wise Owl Says:
When you murder someone for being gay it is no different for killing someoen because you don’t like teh colors they wear.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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No it isn’t, and I’ve already explained why. I’m sorry you’re too much of a moron to understand it.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmPROOF POSITIVE YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmLOL, this one thinks fascism is a liberal thing, it can’t be helped
April 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmThe Not-so-Wise Owl Says:
I have freedom of speach. You Fascists haven’t taken that away yet…
You are an idiot, a really, really exceptionally stupid one…
…in other words, a double infinity idiot.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Evangelicals are 30% of the population, this would make them a minority.
Evangelicals are pretty much hated by society, why not pass laws protecting them also? oops, they don’t vote for your side. This is all about power and you are kidding no one.
I think you might want to look up the current definition of “hate crimes” at the federal level. Race, color, nation of origin and religion are protected by these laws already. Someone who kills evangelicals with the intent to kill because they are evangelicals–this person is guilty of a hate crime under the law, correct?
This law would make sexuality and gender-identity inclusive under these laws.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmSo if I were to kill a republican because I thought he was an ultra reichwing radical gun clinching extremist would that be considered a hate crime or would 61% of America call me a patriot?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmWTF, Foxx? “Poor choice of words?” You just “worded” it wrong? Meant to use a different verb tense, did you? All of these non-retraction retractions just turn my stomach. There was nothing unclear or poorly worded about what she said the first time. She was clear as fcuking day.
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The Wise Owl Says:
So you are saying that killing Gays is worst than killing a non Gay?
Nobody’s saying that.
However, investigating and prosecuting organized crime takes more resources than investigating and prosecuting random crimes. Also, investigating and prosecuting serial killers takes more resources than investigating and prosecuting random crimes. Similarly, investigating and prosecuting crimes perpetrated against classes of people due to a vocal segment of the population demonizing them needs additional resources. That’s all this law does.
This doesn’t make some murders worse than others, or better than others. The justice system is not about “bad,” “good,” and “deserves” like y’all keep thinking it is.
This law merely makes more resources available to this class of similarly-motivated crimes, and puts them at a higher minimum level of prosecution.
The extra attention to these kinds of crimes is to balance the fact that there are people (like you) out there vocally supporting the idea that homosexuals don’t deserve the same rights and freedoms that the rest of us get. Your propaganda causes them to be targeted for violence.
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The Wise Owl Says:
Now that the “christian” Right has been neutred, Moderates need to neuter the “progressive” Fascists
Fascism has always been a right-wing phenomenon.
This amounts to “now that we’re losing you have to lose too so it’ll be fair! Waaah!”
April 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmchiroptera,
Your point is moronic. You beleiev in treating people according to classifications. I don’t people are people. That is the difference. The law should be for all not some.
RantingTommy,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmFascism can be Rightwing or Leftwing. It is Totalitarian means to achive political objectives.
Owl,
Have you ever had to run for your life? Has you ever been singled out as a target, solely because you were presumed to belong to a particular group? No? I have. And not because I had wronged someone else or they had suddenly caught “teh crazy”…it was accompanied by calls of “kill the fag!”
This is not proposed legislation to protect one group at the cost of all others. It merely extends those protections that are already offered to many other groups…including religions and their followers…to cover the basis of sexual preference.
Sadly, this is still such a common occurrence – too many hate crimes go unreported out of fear of the public (and police) reactions to coming forward.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmActions like this have become commonplace lately with the GOP.
Even when faced with undeniable truth, they continue to distort facts in order to serve their own delusional agenda
April 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
By the way, I bet the Supreme Court will throw this law out.
I’m pretty sure the SCOTUS has already upheld hate crime legislation before now. Or do you mean they’ll throw it out now because it includes homosexuals as a protected class?
By the way, why are you so hung up on this? Did it throw a monkey wrench into your fag-bashing plans for the weekend?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pmSee what I mean, this one is intentionally stupid.
Hitler was a right wing fascist, just like the family that financed his war: the Bushes.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pmI know who the Owl is by the frequency and style (loose term) of his posts. Just drew my own conclusion. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
Goodnight all… been fun.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pmHey, the GOP is all supportive of hate crimes and torture. Woo hoo! What a party! Gee, I cannot for the life of me understand how the GOP has become marginalized …
April 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pmElBruce,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pmSo being against Gay Marriage means I condeone the murder of Gays. That really is stupid logic. This proves my point the next step will be thought crimes. This is Fascism.
“I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added.
Foxx may as well have said, “But I’m NOT SORRY for anything I said on the whole because the greiving family is JUST TOO SENSITIVE WHEN IT COMES TO WORDS”.
Foxx, Bachmann and Palin need to form their own party so that the remainder of the sane world will ALWAYS know where the lunatics stand on all issues!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThe Stupid Chicken fails to realize that he too is protected by this law, in the event someone attacked him because of his attraction to men.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
You beleiev in treating people according to classifications. I don’t people are people. That is the difference. The law should be for all not some.
It’s nice for you that you’re so… tolerant. Too many people are not. If they stop promoting violence against specific categories of people, we’ll stop having to give those categories special protection.
While we’re at it, please explain to me how a public lynching is just like any other murder. I’m dying to hear your views on that.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Tweedster,
I have freedom of speach. You Fascists haven’t taken that away yet. SO too bad. I think this is a stupid law and I will be against it. Murder is Murder.
Guess what shitbag? I never said you didn’t have a the right to say ridiculously stupid and untrue things.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmRantingTommy,
April 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmBad news Hitler’s wars was Financed by the Nazi government control of busineeses and taxes. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
So if I were to kill a republican because I thought he was an ultra reichwing radical gun clinching extremist would that be considered a hate crime or would 61% of America call me a patriot?
You would need some pretty clear evidence that you were doing this in self-defense. Otherwise, I think you’d be going away for a while.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmDon’t fear gay marriage, The Stupid Chicken, you can always just tell him no.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
This proves my point the next step will be thought crimes.
How does a comment from a poster on here prove what upcoming legislation will be? You’re a GD moron.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pmKeep displaying that ignorance, or go look up Prescott Bush and Union Banking Corp.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pm“I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added.
Another BS Repub apology. Sorry, honey Foxx, but a true apology would be worded something like this: I apologize completely to the grieving family for my hateful, homophobic words.” Saying “I’m sorry if you were offended” is not– and NEVER has been, an apology. Foxx is a fraud, and so is her “apology”. .
April 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pmTalk of Crips and Bloods is comical – how does rival gangs involved in ongoing historical violence toward each other equate to random bashers killing the next man or woman that walk down the street – that they perceive to be gay or lesbian?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pmTweedster Says:
I never said you didn’t have a the right to say ridiculously stupid and untrue things.
That was the classic wingnut maneuver #117: when people disagree with you, call them fascists who are trying to deny you the right to have an opinion.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pmRHF, they have to fight for their “right” to oppress people. It’s just like right-wingers…you take away discrimination against their favored group to oppress, and they’ll find another class to oppress, but not without fighting with every ounce of energy they have to prevent that oppressed group from obtaining civil rights.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pmWise Owl would be protected if a gay person harmed him because he was heterosexual…of course he refuses to see that, because it’s easier to come up with canards designed to skew the argument in favor of his side…
April 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm120. He sees the Socialist in National Socialist German Worker’s Party and thinks they’re LEFT-WING! I guess Hitler was such a liberal he destroyed Germany’s unions…that’s such a left-wing tactic…
April 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
RantingTommy,
Bad news Hitler’s wars was Financed by the Nazi government control of busineeses and taxes. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Bad news ass-hat, you’re growing more and more irrelevant with every stupid post you put up here.
Once you get trounced on board, you flutter off to another. Once you get trounced on one topic, you introduce another.
Are you a masochist?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThe Stupid Chicken is just another self-hating, self-denying homosexual trapped in a forced heterosexual role because of his limited intellect and lack of testicular fortitude.
His entire ideology is based on fear and ignorance.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm121. Truly sad if you ask me…I believe there’s a psychological concept called downward comparison and it would be perfect to address why these bigots are so insecure about their own lives they have to oppress someone to make themselves feel better…
April 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pmThis one is realy simple folks: The GOP just hates people. They may love baby Jesus and all the unborn children of this universe, but they do not like living, breathing humans.
Besides, looking at the congresswoman, it appears she might be gay also. I heard she was a lesbian. Maybe we should ask her when she knew she was gay.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pmYou’re assuming that he is a true heterosexual, and not just another closeted right winger scared of his own desires
April 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm“The victim of a bias crime is not attacked for a random reason—as the person injured during a shooting spree in a public place—nor is he attacked for an impersonal reason, as is the victim of a mugging for money. He is attacked for a specific, personal reason: his race [or religion, or sexual preference]. Moreover, the bias crime victim cannot reasonably minimize the risk of future attacks because he is unable to change the characteristics that made him a victim.
A bias crime thus attacks the victim not only physically but at the very core of his identity. It is an attack from which there is no escape. It is one thing to avoid the park at night because it is not safe. It is quite another to avoid certain neighborhoods because of one’s race.”
April 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm-Frederick Lawrence: Hate: Bias Crimes and American Law -
The Wise Owl Says: Murder is murder. So you are saying that killing Gays is worst than killing a non Gay? This is ridiculous. Murder is murder. Murder is a Hate crime. Seriously, you “progressives” are really Fascists. What next we can’t insult Islam?
Wise Owl is really “stupid. ignorant, bigoted owl”. Yes, killing gays because they are gay is a horrible crime– when did you ever hear someone killed another person because “they’re straight”?? That is why this is a crime. No one murders another because they are heterosexual. But many, many times they kill/maim/ because the victim is gay. Do you get it yet, you homophobe?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
chiroptera,
Your point is moronic. You beleiev in treating people according to classifications. I don’t people are people. That is the difference. The law should be for all not some.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
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No, I don’t. I believe that the law should treat people equally, and hate crime laws do exactly that. It’s not about treating PEOPLE according to classifications. It is about treating CRIMES according to classifications. Hate-crime sentencing simply adds an additional classification of intent.
The law already did this, long before hate-crime legislation. Homicide is treated differently under the law depending on intent, which is why we have different charges and sentences for manslaughter, criminally-negligent homicide, and premeditated murder.
By your logic, a man who hires a hit-man to kill his wife should receive the same sentence as a truck driver who accidentally kills a jaywalking pedestrian. Murder is murder, right?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pmBad News. Hitler financed his wars through the German Nazi Party’s control over businesses. They also had hih taxes and confiscated wealth of their opponents. You can spin all you want but Germany’s War Machine was financed by Germans. You can post all the conspiracy crap about Prescott but that doesn’t change facts. Any historian woukld laugh at you.
Tweedster Says:
Are you a masochist?
Obviously. Wingnuts coming to TP is just the cheap version of tapping their foot in airport bathrooms or paying bodybuilder masseuses to tie them up and spank them.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pm“I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement,” she added. However, she said she still stands by her belief that Shepard’s murder may not have been motivated by hate.
Yeah , it was done as a show of love and affection , you complete fu(king moron …………..
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pmI’ll give her this much (and only this much) — she didn’t resort to the usual lame, flimsy, and feeble excuses which many conservatives have tried to fall back on when they’ve come down with foot-in-mouth disease. She didn’t try to claim that she never said it (which admittedly would have been a ridiculous thing to do considering that she said it only the day before) — nor did she claim that she was misquoted, misinterpreted, or that her words were taken out of context. In that respect, she has at least a tiny bit more ethics and integrity than some — she basically admitted that her own words were her own choice and that she chose badly.
I realize that she didn’t apologize for what she said, but only for the utterly callous and ham-handed way in which she chose to express herself. Unfortunately, however, the fact is that an apology for her indifference toward the Matthew Shepard murder will probably never be forthcoming. She does not believe that Matthew Shepard was tortured and murdered because of his orientation, and it’s quite possible that her opinion will never change. Rightly or wrongly, no matter how you might feel about what she believes, the fact nevertheless remains that she’s entitled to believe whatever she likes even if it’s dead wrong. Her opinion and beliefs do nothing to change the facts — that the only motive which Matthew Shepard’s attackers had was the desire to inflict as much agony, suffering, and torment as they possibly could on a gay man.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pmThe Bird is definitely Drew from yesterday.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pmchiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pmYes if a person hires ahitman and a drunk driver kills someone then yes they should face the same penalties. A car is a weapon.
OK. When someone from the good Congresswoman’s family dies, I should show up and scream obscenities about the deceased.
And if I say that “I’m sorry if I have offended anyone” then everyting will be OK ?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pmDon’t try to reason with The Stupid Chicken. It is incapable of understanding logic.
Best just to point and laugh.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pmMatthew Shepard is more special than other people murdered. I get it killed for being Gay is better than killed for being a Gang member or confused fior one.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pmYou progressives really like to Martry people.
Owl wouldn’t know fascism if it teabagged him.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pmThe Stupid Chicken won’t even acknowledge Prescott Bush’s role in financing the Hitler War Machine, even to th epoint of having his assets frozen under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
The Bush family fortune is built upon fascism and financing fascism. They continue their quest for a fascist USA still today.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pmIt’s ok, Stupid Chicken, you’re special too. Enjoy the Olympics, good luck in the hurdles!
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmRantingTommy,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI read all that and Prescott didn’t finance like you said. It was German Industrialists who fainanced Hitler and they had no choice. I have read the history of the Reich and the Presscott thing is ioverblown. Would you like to discuss Progressives that supported the Reich?
Bluestocking Says:
She didn’t try to claim that she never said it (which admittedly would have been a ridiculous thing to do considering that she said it only the day before) — nor did she claim that she was misquoted, misinterpreted, or that her words were taken out of context.
Yes she did “poor choice of words!” Not that she was wrong to have said it, but that she should have said the same thing differently! That’s not a retraction.
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The Wise Owl Says:
Matthew Shepard is more special than other people murdered.
I already explained that this bill doesn’t make one murder more special than the other. If you disagree, then counterargue that point. But if you’re just going to post crap without reading the responses, there’s no point in you being here. You might as well write it into your diary.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmRantingTommy,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmFascism and Nazism are not the same.
Read it again, Stupid Chicken. This time try it without your right wing fear goggles on.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmWise old Owl,
Though I entirely disagree with you, I do feel badly that so many people on this site are childish and can’t seem to calmly explain to you why you’re missing the point of the legislation, and therefore, making an ignorant statement.
Nobody is arguing that murder is murder. That is agreed upon. However, unless it is considered a crime to specifically target a group of people, people will not be punished to the full extent of the law. Before this legislation was introduced in its earlier form, whites could lynch blacks and then go home and eat dinner with the family. Certainly you aren’t suggesting that crimes against gays should be lesser crimes?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
chiroptera,
Yes if a person hires ahitman and a drunk driver kills someone then yes they should face the same penalties. A car is a weapon.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
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So then you also believe that an American soldier who kills a combatant in a war should receive the same sentence as a gang member who kills a pregnant mother in a drive-by, correct? A gun is also a weapon.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pmsorry peacock, we tried the reasoning thing, but Stupid Chicken is not receptive
he makes up his mind and then revises history to try to fit his phony assertions
April 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pmliviapeacock,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThank you for yiour respectful comments. My point is that if someone is murdered, regardless of the erasoning whether its racial, sexual or other reasons the murderere should be procecuted and recieve the maximum penalty. The way you described it makes more sense than the other people here.
However, I don’t like giving one group special treatment over another group. That is my point.
The way you framed it made me do something as the way you explained it makes it sound reasonable.
shorter stupid chicken:
“but but if we let gay people have rights, it might not be acceptable to discriminate against them! and that frightens me!”
April 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmliviapeacock Says:
Though I entirely disagree with you, I do feel badly that so many people on this site are childish and can’t seem to calmly explain to you why you’re missing the point of the legislation, and therefore, making an ignorant statement.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
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We have calmly explained it to the moron, he’s just stubbornly refusing to listen.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmWise Owl:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pmI suppose killing a cop is the same as killing anyone else. Why do we have special tratment of cop killers? Do you support heightened penalties for cop killers? Why/Why Not? If you wish to add a diarama in support of your answer you may
chitoptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pmDid I name call you? Name calling is Fascistic, it demaens your enemies.
…
herr wisen owl,
if you were the last republican
in the republican party, how would
you spend the day?
:<)
:<0
April 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
However, I don’t like giving one group special treatment over another group. That is my point.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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And as we’ve tried to explain to you several dozen times, it DOESN’T give one group special treatment over another group.
Moron.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
chitoptera,
Did I name call you? Name calling is Fascistic, it demaens your enemies.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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So is it Fascistic to call people “Fascists” because they disagree with you?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmstupid chicken is being deliberately obtuse in a feeble attempt to hang on to his disproven point
April 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pmdbadass,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pmI don’t think there should be special treatment for killing Cops. The reasoning makes more sense though. Cops represent the law. By killing p[olice it is an act of rebellion.
Still it isn’t the same as killing a Gay person. Sorry I don’t see that. Look be honest, this is about politics.
The Wise Owl Says:
chitoptera,
Did I name call you? Name calling is Fascistic, it demaens your enemies.
***
trajie,
you’ve really got to work on your spelling.
it’s a dead giveaway.
:\
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWise Owl keeps referring to progressive types as, “fascists”. The Bush/Cheney Administration was a textbook example of fascism. Does Owl consider Bush/Cheney fascists?
And, this law isn’t putting gays, etc above everyone else. If a crime is done BASED on that persons sexual orientation, race, etc, that’s a hate crime. (Shepard’s murderers admitted he was targeted because he was gay) If they’re a victim of a random crime where the perp isn’t aware, or even care for that matter, that the victim is gay, etc, that’s not a hate crime. And for the record, I believe it should work both ways. Black gang members that target whites for crimes should be sent up on hate crimes just as much a KKK member should be for targeting blacks.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Name calling is Fascistic…
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmstupid chicken is being home schooled
April 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pmNope! Fascism can come in different varieties. There are Leftist Fascists like you who believe in silencing your enemies and imposing your views. There is teh Rightwing variety of “preserving” the society.
Nazism is more like Stalinism, it believes in a New Man and creating a new society and everyone subservient to the State.
The Wise Owl Says:
Look be honest, this is about politics.
Of course it’s about politics! Politics is how we decide how to run the country! Any public debate regarding what we as a country should do is “politics!”
April 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pmstupid chicken is just afraid of admitting he’s gay
societal stigma is the only thing preventing him from giving in to his natural desires
he’s simply yet another in a long line of ignorant right wing closeted cowards
April 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm“Does Owl consider Bush/Cheney fascists?”
Yes absolutely. I also consider Obama a Fascist.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pmnow stupid chicken thinks he can redefine words
how funny
it’s a dancing chicken
dance for us
April 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pmRantingTommy ,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmAgain Fascistic tactics. Demean an opponent and then claim they are bad. That is Fascist propaganda 101.
Are there any real liberals here and not the progressive Fascist types?
didn’t the stupid old cow realise she was on C-SPAN thus, being recorded?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmkeep dancing, chicken
good chicken
April 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Nope! Fascism can come in different varieties. There are Leftist Fascists like you who believe in silencing your enemies and imposing your views.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
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Yes, cause the left in this country has been so good at silencing enemies like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and Sean Hannity, right?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pmLike calling people fascists?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pmstupid chicken now thinks he can redefine fascism to mean “being mean to stupid chicken”
lol
dance some more, chicken
good bird
April 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pmJust like the rethugs to put their foot in their mouths and than apologize later. Look who’s being apologetic now?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhat about killing a judge? Is that judge just as dead as the gay?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pmi wonder if stupid chicken would change his mind if “ignorant closeted cowards” was added as a group to the hate crimes bill
since it would protect him, specifically
April 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pmWell then, Owl. I’ll give you an “Atta boy” for admitting that about Bush/Cheney. Honesty… a rare quality in a right-wingers. Considering Obama a fascist, well, I think you’re off the mark there. Or, at the very least, premature in your assessment. But, if the passing of time proves me wrong, I will be the first to admit it.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pmchiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pmMichael savage doesn’t like Limpballs and manculter so I wouldn’t limp him in with them. Know they enemie and you obviously don’t. The Left does try to silence its enemies. They use websites like this demonize and put pressure.
The media is used by progresives, shouldn’t say Left as I myself can be considered on the Left on mnay views, to attck their opponents. Newpapers and Movies are also used to spread the progressive agenda.
So yes progressives do try to silence. That is Fascism, you have politics, media and businesses in cahoots.
This woman is just numb to the reality of the world. Send this dinosaur back to Jurassick Park. She should retract everything she said and re-examine the transcripts of the Shepard case. She is making a political statement pandering to her conservative, evangelistic constituants. politicizing one of our nations worst hate crimes ever, for her own personal gain, at the detriment of the Shepard family. She should be removed or gracefully step down from public service, and spend the rest of her years taking sensitivity training course. SHAME ON YOU FOXX.
WITH NO REPSECT WHATSOEVER,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pmJIMMY PALMIERI
FOUNDER OF THE TWEAKERS PROJECT
http://WWW.TWEAKERSPROJECT.ORG
looks like stupid chicken flew the coop
April 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pmlol, stupid chicken thinks right wingers’ free speech is impeded by letting liberals have free speech
what a stupid chicken
April 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmI am fascist, please explain.
shorter stupid chicken:
“saying hateful things about liberals = free speech, saying hateful things about right wingers is fascism”
lol
dance some more, chicken
April 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
“The Left does try to silence its enemies. They use websites like this demonize and put pressure.”
presenting a forum to discuss is hardly “silencing” anyone’s enemies. it’s not like we’ve ransacked the place and burned the printing presses. why is it you assclowns always consider a viewpoint other than your own being expressed trying to silence someone?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pmWell at least you admit it.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
However, I don’t like giving one group special treatment over another group. That is my point.
From my understanding, you think murder should have one level. Anyone killed by another should be recognized as a victim. I don’t believe that victims of murder are any less a victim than those of hate crimes.
I think what we are protesting here is that the murderer should be receiving the additional punishment for making this a crime of hate. Killing someone because they have money is one crime, but killing someone because they are gay or straight or black or white or male or female or transgendered or atheist or Christian or American or Muslim…that should mean that the guilty should have additional punishment.
In other words, the murderer should be given stricter punishments for killing out of hate towards identity in a larger affiliation. That’s all I see it as.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pmlol, stupid chicken thinks that rush and savage are just using free speech when they talk sh!t on the radio but liberals are being fascists and trying to “silence” them when liberals respond with their own free speech
wow, the hypocrisy is strong in this one, luke
April 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pman owl once thought he was wise
April 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm’til liberals opened his eyes
but he looks away
and calls them all gay
and fascist and sits there and cries
The Wise Owl Says:
The Left does try to silence its enemies. They use websites like this demonize and put pressure.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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And this plan is working like a charm, as you can plainly see.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmlol, stupid chicken has let the right wing media convince him that the media is left wing
wow
April 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmrepublicans hate facts,
The media doesn’t lean right. Obama is beloved by the media and is supported by them. He can do no wrong and isn’t criticized much. When someone criticizes Obama, the media silences that person by ridicule.
You are def a Fascist in your attitude.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe Not-So-Wise Owl = defective mental capacity.
Your Grammar is deplorable, your typing worse, your thinking warped…
….do you blow goats on your down time?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:39 pmi bet we COULD be accused of trying to “silence” our enemies if we were to do something stupid like
hmm, maybe: going to their web sites and attempting to disrupt discussions by whining and crying all over their thread
April 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pmchiroptera,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pmFree Speach is one thing, trying to silence is another. Limbaugh is powerless and not liked by many on the right. However if someone on the right says something that the progressives don’t like, Moveon.org, Media Matters, Think Progress and Keith Olber,ann all attack. The attacks are coordicanted and done to intimidate opponents. Boycotting sponsors and other actions are Fascistic. Evryone has a right to a view. When I see teh Right pile on someone and call for boycotts, I don’t like that either.
lol, stupid chicken thinks the few left leaning media personalities are coordinating their “attacks” and not just responding to the inaccurate bile that is spewed by the right wing corporate media
April 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmuh, stupid chicken, what is “coordicanted”?
is that like when Eric Cantor’s shoes match his belt?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmObama has had the most positive coverage of any President. DO you deny this? Joe Biden gets passes for comments that the Media would crucify Cheney. Playing the victim is a Fascistic means to achieve power.
You really are a Fascist.
poor little victim, stupid chicken
comes here, drops turds, then whines about the big mean old liberals and their mighty media machine ganging up on him just to make him come out of the closet
poor widdle wight winger
April 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSo let’s say a muslim kills a few folks in a jerk water burb somewhere in the U.S., those murders would just be like the drunken white dude that got all pissed off and murdered his neighbors because their dog keep barking?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pmsomeone call whine wun wun
another wight winger needs a waambulance
April 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
“Limbaugh is powerless and not liked by many on the right.”
the the entire republican party kisses his lardy ass because they like it?
that’s some twisted sheeyat even for repukies.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pmYou really need to expand your vocabulary.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pm“Fascistic” is that even a word?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pmOh I forgot to mention that the Muslim dude did it because he hated those people’s “freedoms”…. (not that I have ever understood what the hell that Bushism was intended to mean)
April 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThat was the Bush/Cheney plan to make people fear their freedom. They helped terrorize the weak, frightened people like stupid chicken into giving up their freedoms so the other terrorists wouldn’t hate them for them anymore.
Terrorism only works on the terrified, though, and the American people proved they wouldn’t be frightened for long, with the exception of the 21%ers that still support the fascist right wing GOP.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
Yes absolutely. I also consider Obama a Fascist.
From what I can tell, you consider the waiter who doesn’t give you enough croutons a fascist.
.
The Wise Owl Says:
Michael savage doesn’t like Limpballs and manculter so I wouldn’t limp him in with them.
I don’t give a rodent’s rectum whether the scum like each other. They’re still all scum. Just because they’re each so foul that they actually turn each others’ stomachs doesn’t redeem them in the least.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
“Fascistic” is that even a word?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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It is now. Freedom of speech also includes freedom from grammar and diction. Correcting errors is Fascistic. STOP TRYING TO SILENCE HIM!
April 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pmchiroptera toasterhead,
April 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pmi must protest, i’m not a fascist, i’m fastastic!
The Wise Owl Says:
However if someone on the right says something that the progressives don’t like, Moveon.org, Media Matters, Think Progress and Keith Olber,ann all attack. The attacks are coordicanted and done to intimidate opponents. Boycotting sponsors and other actions are Fascistic.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
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So free speech = fascism. Got it. Any other words of wisdom you’d like to impart?
April 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pmif we really were trying to “silence” stupid chicken, we would have been flagging him and calling for others to do the same instead of just ridiculing his moronic assertions for our own amusement
don’t be silent, stupid chicken, keep dancing, we love you!
lol
April 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pmEspecially slow roasted, with barbeque sauce.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pmwell, we DID roast him slow
April 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm“Boycotting sponsors and other actions are Fascistic.”
actually, i think that would qualify as “the right to peaceful protest” covered under freedom of assembly in the constitution.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pmbwilliams Says:
“sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement”
That AIN’T an apology!
“IF” !!?!?!?!?!?
That is what is known as a “Republican Apology”. It’s the only kind of apology they know how to give.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pmThe DumbassOwl’s misspellings and taunts confirm that it’s the Trajan horse, once more loosed upon society by it’s drunken mother, who is passed out on the couch, thus allowing her spawn access to the intertubes.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pmI am, however fascistinated by it’s warping of logic and reason.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pmThe Wise Owl
April 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pmI have to go to work soon and I so much wanted to know how you felt about my freedom hater’s murders relative to my white homeboy murders. Same Same right?
I want to find out what the word of the day will be tomorrow. Collectivism? Socialism? Communism? Ooh ooh I know, teleprompter!
I can’t wait!
April 30th, 2009 at 5:06 pmThis woman along with the talking heads on radio and FAUX and all other reichwingnut extreme lunatics wonder why they are being viewed as dangerous terrorists.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pmI already explained that this bill doesn’t make one murder more special than the other. If you disagree, then counterargue that point. But if you’re just going to post crap without reading the responses, there’s no point in you being here. You might as well write it into your diary. — ElBruce
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With all due respect, ElBruce, you’re preaching to the choir in my case since I’m all for this legislation and I never said otherwise. In fact, had you made an effort to read the second part of my post, I think you probably would have realized that — and since I made every effort to express myself respectfully (unlike Ms. Foxx and unlike yourself), I fail to comprehend why it was vitally necessary for you to be rude towards me especially considering that you’ve responded positively to other posts which I’ve left on this site.
If you disagree with my opinion that Ms. Foxx deserved a tiny bit of credit for taking full responsibility for her callous comment when most of her colleagues would have passed the buck, or for saying that she’s entitled to believe what she wants even though it’s dead wrong, fine — but that doesn’t necessarily justify rudeness when I was in no way rude to you. You’re fully entitled to your opinion and to voice it here. However, so am I — and unless or until you become a moderator on this site, you have no right to tell me that I can’t or shouldn’t be here.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pmUm TP, NOT recanting her assertion that Shepard’s murder was not a hate crime and apologizing for the offense taken, not for her false assertion, is backtracking?
April 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pmIf nobody like the republicans then what does it matter if they go away?
April 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pmwags:
April 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pmI am partial to elitism
birth certificate is always fun as well…
April 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pmTypical libtard!
/snark
April 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pmBluestocking Says:
With all due respect, ElBruce, you’re preaching to the choir in my case…
I was whining at the Owl person.
I usually reply to multiple comments in one. Separate comment/reply pairs will be separated vertically
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like this.
The portion of my reply directed to your comment was:
“Yes she did “poor choice of words!” Not that she was wrong to have said it, but that she should have said the same thing differently! That’s not a retraction.”
April 30th, 2009 at 5:28 pmToo little, too late. The damage is done.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pmThe Wise Owl Says:
You really are a Fascist.
Ok wise one. It’s time to test your mettle. Please explain to us what a fascist is and how Obama’s actions make him one.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:39 pmDamn bigots like Rep. Foxx make me want to spit. What a hateful person. Calling the poor boy’s death a hoax while his mother is within earshot. Has she no soul?
April 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pmWell, look on the bright side. Her comments give the Democratic party more reason to unseat her in 2010!
April 30th, 2009 at 5:48 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Please explain to us what a fascist is and how Obama’s actions make him one.
Questioning what the definition of fascist is, is a classic fascist tactic, ya fascist!
/snark
April 30th, 2009 at 6:00 pmHate Crime legislation is not about one victim being more dead than another. It’s about harsher sentences for perpetrators that would kill someone for being different. These offenders tend to think that their violence is sanctioned, and in their circles it very well may be. The hate crimes designation tells them clearly it is not socially sanctioned and keeps anti-social thugs off the streets longer.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI need help with a Rap song, basic idea:
Foxx Faux Pas on the Fox Faux News
April 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pmgotta love those non apology apologies
April 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pmIf a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound if no one is around to hear it?
If a person makes an apology only if what they said or did offended someone else, does that still make them an insensitive butthole because they can’t comprehend what they said was truly and basically offensive even if no one else heard it?
April 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pmWhat a fake apology coming from Foxx. When I found out that Foxx said this with Matthew Shepard’s mother present I just felt such a shock at Foxx’s coldness. I was at a loss for words. I’m embarrassed to say that I reside in NC. I pray that Foxx does not get re-elected.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pmshe said she still stands by her belief that Shepard’s murder may not have been motivated by hate.
These “holier than thou” types will do anything to avoid conflating their own hate with murder.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pmHer entry into politics was a poor choice of occupations, and the real hoaxes are almost everything she says.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:03 pmZOMG! That sounds hawt!!! *wink*
April 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pmI’m not going to get into the fiery debate, but I do honestly want to know something: what presidents do you feel were not fascists?
April 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pmladybastet Says:
The Wise Owl Says:
“Does Owl consider Bush/Cheney fascists?”
Yes absolutely. I also consider Obama a Fascist.
I’m not going to get into the fiery debate, but I do honestly want to know something: what presidents do you feel were not fascists?
April 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I would guess President Hitler. :-D
April 30th, 2009 at 11:47 pmLOL! I love you Zooey *hugs*
May 1st, 2009 at 12:00 amThe Stupid Chicken Says:
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Bad news Hitler’s wars was Financed by the Nazi government control of busineeses and taxes. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Here is your homophobic/racist/zealot/pro murder of the afformentioned ass handed to you on a silver platter…… Assclown!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
You have been owned. Suck it up you America hating Nazi fascist pig.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:16 amI bet you have a criminal record like ALL of you Republizazi pigs do.
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Jackie Says:
Rep. Foxx is howing her Christian Values with strong hate in her heart. Now life gives us many surprises and Rep. Foxx fine one of her beloved grandchildren might be gay and she will have to rethink her position once it hits home. Many fine it easy to judge other until they fine it right in their family. Yes many come to realize love wins over hate and God sometimes helps that point along.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
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You incorrectly assume that a Christian must change her moral values if a loved one chooses to live a life contrary to those values. Many Christian parents have been in this situation and continue to love their children while still believing that the behavior is immoral. You are under the false impression that one has to hate anyone who doesn’t share the same values. ;)
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Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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bwilliams Says:
“sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement”
That AIN’T an apology!
“IF” !!?!?!?!?!?
That is what is known as a “Republican Apology”.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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Except when it’s given by a Dem:
“I want to put that in context. You know I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive,” Hillary Clinton said.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VC9QC80&show_article=1
May 1st, 2009 at 1:47 am.
Dear (not so)Wise Owl,
What’s a bigot?
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May 1st, 2009 at 2:54 amupright left Says:
You incorrectly assume that a Christian must change her moral values if a loved one chooses to live a life contrary to those values. Many Christian parents have been in this situation and continue to love their children while still believing that the behavior is immoral. You are under the false impression that one has to hate anyone who doesn’t share the same values. ;)
I’m all for that. But maybe more Christians should pay more attention to the hatred coming from their brethren rather than on who’s peepee is up who’s butt.
Jesus didn’t have one word to say about who was doing what with who’s body parts. Not one. But he did have a hell of a lot to say about self-righteous idiots wearing their religion on their sleeves and loudly condemning others. I seem to recall that was a subject of rather a lot of his sermons.
You’d think that behavior would be what true Christians would be talking about today.
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upright left Says:
You incorrectly assume that a Christian must change her moral values if a loved one chooses to live a life contrary to those values. Many Christian parents have been in this situation and continue to love their children while still believing that the behavior is immoral. You are under the false impression that one has to hate anyone who doesn’t share the same values. ;)
I’m all for that. But maybe more Christians should pay more attention to the hatred coming from their brethren rather than on who’s peepee is up who’s butt.
Jesus didn’t have one word to say about who was doing what with who’s body parts. Not one. But he did have a hell of a lot to say about self-righteous idiots wearing their religion on their sleeves and loudly condemning others. I seem to recall that was a subject of rather a lot of his sermons.
You’d think that behavior would be what true Christians would be talking about today.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:32 am
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I’m quite sure Jesus didn’t feel the need to mention each specific sin that man might commit, since there was already quite a bit of history on it. He did speak against sin. That absolutely includes self righteousness, hypocrisy etc. Christians seem quite accepting of the behavior you mentioned as a fact of our society. The conflict seems to be over whether our society should institutionalize it.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:49 amupright left Says:
The conflict seems to be over whether our society should institutionalize it.
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Why does the government have to judge anyone? You are missing the point. Somewhere along the way the church got involved in government. It was never meant to be that way. The wingnuts have screwed up far more than they have fixed. IMHO
May 1st, 2009 at 9:46 amShe should continue to be ashamed of herself for her ignorant hateful statements re: Shepard.
May 1st, 2009 at 10:52 am#271 – upright left Says:
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“I’m quite sure Jesus didn’t feel the need to mention each specific sin that man might commit, since there was already quite a bit of history on it. He did speak against sin. That absolutely includes self righteousness, hypocrisy etc. Christians seem quite accepting of the behavior you mentioned as a fact of our society. The conflict seems to be over whether our society should institutionalize it.”
May 1st, 2009 at 8:49 am
Unfortunately, our society has already institutionalozed self righteousness and hypocrisy. All you have to do is look at our political establishment to see a perfect example of this behavior. This is apparant on both sides of the aisle. Of course, as a Democrat I tend to notice the hypocrisy of the Republicans as being more blatant, but I do see the hypocrisy of the Democrats. I’ve noticed that the extreme members of a particular party refuse to notice the beam in their eye as they attack their opposition for the splinter in their eye.
All that aside, Rep. Foxx is attempting to distract from the Shepard hate-crime by falsely describing it as not motivated by hate. All you have to do is read the court papers to see the truth: hate for gays was the single consistent fact of the murder.
Rep. Foxx, you should be ashamed of your actions. As you are a Republican, I believe that self-shame is something you adamantly refuse to experience, no matter how justified it is.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:51 amEven if Mathew’s murder wasn’t motivated by homophobia, the proposed bill would remain applicable since these crimes DO occur. Yet Foxx seems to think Mathew’s murder was the only hate crime ever, as if by dismissing this particular case the entire bill loses it’s justification.
The woman is unfit to be making legislative decisions.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pmConsidering one of the defendants claime “gay panic” as the reason for his torturing another human to death, Foxx’s claim still ranks as as a disgusting, heartless, brainless, lie.
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kasinca Says:
Why does the government have to judge anyone? You are missing the point. Somewhere along the way the church got involved in government. It was never meant to be that way. The wingnuts have screwed up far more than they have fixed. IMHO
May 1st, 2009 at 9:46 am
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“I believe that American society can choose to carve out a special place for the union of a man and a woman as the unit of child rearing most common to every culture.”
Barack Obama
The government isn’t judging anyone and the church has nothing to do with marriages that don’t occur in church. Everyone can have the same rights without changing the foundation of our society. It’s all about rights, remember? ;)
May 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pm