An interesting angle, but a couple of problems.

First, the Nazis DID attack us. They formed an alliance with Japan for the specific purpose of making war on the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the United States. The Germans needed the Japanese fleet to engage the Americans and British and wanted the Japanese army to attack the Soviets in Siberia. Likewise, the Japanese needed the German army and air forces to keep the Americans and Europeans from putting their full strength against Japanese plans to conquer East Asia.

The Japanese fired the first shots, of course, but the Germans, as they had agreed to do, declared war on the United States two days after the Japanese attack.

The second point would be that the “Axis” alliance in 1942 controlled the worlds most powerful army, the worlds second most powerful navy, and most of the industrial and mineral resources of mainland Europe and East Asia. Al Queda, in 2001, consisted of a few hundred trained terrorists, a few thousand armed supporters, and whatever money Osama Bin Laden in his friends had hidden in their Swiss bank accounts.

Not really the same scale of threat.

Dear Peter Dow,
Where is Condi’s “smoking gun”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Xlp7l7K1Q

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al Qaeda was more of a threat than Nazi Germany? You have got to be kidding! Where did you get your Phd? From the back of a book of matches. What a bimbo.

As with the Nazi regime, the US tyrants tortured to get the false confessions they wanted. It had nothing to do with any fear of terror threats. How could a so called terrorist be privy to an attack when kept in total seclusion for years?

AHHH, I have been thinking the exact same thing of late. Cheney’s only intent on torturing was to get the FALSE information he KNEW waterboarding evoked. ANd we knew that because the Koreans had been tried and hung for waterboarding our GIs, and they did it to get the FALSE confessions out of them.
SO when cheney says there are documents that “prove that waterboarding works” look at what he says. “It works”, not that it gets the TRUTH, but that “it works” It works for his purpose which are to get confessions of bullshit plans that obviously are no longer actionable or even likely to happen. But keep these people pent up and unable to offer opposition, break them. That was their objective. To get useful confessions out of the people to use against them in their kangaroo courts, that condi just loved.

Hang all of these traitors.

Conspiracy to subvert the Geneva Conventions (the recognized law of the land) when you have taken an oath to protect and defend said law is TREASON.

CONDI YOU ARE A TRAITOR.

ARREST HER ASS ANYWHERE SHE STEPS FOOT.

The Nazis were very close to completion of a deliverable nuclear weapon at the end of WW2.

No, they were not. The Germany atomic research program fizzled after 1942, partly due to lack of resources, partly due to lack of interest in the Nazi high command, and partly because most of the best German nuclear physicists were Jewish and had fled the country before the war. Some stout work by Allied bombers and Norwegian resistance fighters finished off any prospects for a Nazi bomb.

Germany dominated on the battlefield for the majority of the war.

The German army was tactically superior to most of their opponents for most of the war, but they still managed to lose most of the battles in the second half of the war.

A Sherman couldn’t go toe to toe with a Panther.

True, but the majority of the tanks fighting the Panthers were Russian T-34s, a superior weapon in most ways.

The Bismarck was bigger and more powerful than anything . . .

German battleships were distinctly inferior to the better American and Japanese battleships. They never met those ships because almost the entire German fleet got sunk by the British, who were better sailors than the Germans.

Their U-Boat fleets were unmatched . . .

Good boats, well handled, but superior British tactics and American technology broke and defeated them by mid 1943.

Even their firearms, like the MG 36 and MG 42 or heavy artillery like the 88, were mauling the allied forces.

The Germans had a superior machine gun, but American artillery was far better than German artillery, and everyone else’s equipment was a reasonably close match.

The Messerschmitt 262 Jet Fighters that began seeing combat in 1944 could out fly any thing the allies had.

German jets didn’t have any particular effect on the war. Not enough of them. British and Soviet aircraft were as good as German aircraft, British electronics and American aircraft were noticeably better.

If it weren’t for the allies ability to mass produce, we’d have lost the war.

An “ability to mass produce” is a basic requirement for fighting and winning a big 20th Century war. Nations that could not do this–like Japan and Italy–were fighting way out of their league. The Germans botched their mass production program, and that’s the biggest reason they lost the war.

Germany was the greatest threat this world had ever known, and had cost the lives of millions and millions and millions of people. They exterminated 6 million Jew’s alone, not to mention the millions lost in their war. And it was, THEIR war.

In an odd way, this is one of the reasons the Germans fought as long and as well as they did. They picked fights with everyone and slaughtered millions of people who had no quarrel with them. They felt they had no choice but to fight to the finish, on the assumption that their enemies would deal with them as brutally as they had dealt with all their victims.

Fooled them, didn’t we?

Just off the East Coast, there are hundreds of sunken American vessels,and thousands of Americans in them.

Madame, have you no shame?

She’s terribly arrogant for someone who has been so catastrophically wrong so often about so many things.

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Exactly. That’s why I said what I did on the other thread today pertaining to Rice…that her remarks demonstrate my concerns about Bush over the past eight years were neither irrational nor unfounded.

Bush’s actions showed time and time again that he saw himself as above the law and that he had no tolerance whatsoever for anyone who questioned or challenged him. Both of those qualities tend to be hallmarks of political despots and religious cult leaders — both of whom can pose a significant threat to the physical and emotional well-being of anyone over whom they claim authority once they start down the slippery slope of claiming that anything and everything they do is somehow justified. Historically, it’s always been the people with this sort of mentality who were responsible for purges and other atrocities — and they’ve almost always used “safety”, “freedom”, or some other highly-evocative buzzword as an excuse for their brutality. Had Bush done any of the things which you mention, it frankly would not have surprised me.

In 1861, a victorious enemy army within a days march of taking Washington and splitting the country into permanently hostile petty states . . .

The same threat again, from a larger, better led army in 1862, after a series of battles in which 72,000 Americans were killed or wounded . . .

In 1863, an enemy army considered by many the “finest ever to march to drum” marches across Pennsylvania, one victory away from capturing or besieging Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, or New York . . .

In 1864, Washington is defenseless as another enemy army threatens to attack and capture the city, shattering the nation after three years of fighting in which a half-million men have died over trying to save it.

Comparable to a single, ghastly terrorist attack that killed three thousand people and destroyed a couple of buildings? You decide.

Your post has WHAT to do with Condalizzard saying something dumb like al Queda is more dangerous than the Nazis and an outright lie like the SC stopped them from trying detainees. The SC stopped them from giving them UNFAIR trials. Your stupidity really isnt OUR problem. Try to keep up moron

Ya, look how fast cheney accepted his new role as “Darth Cheney”.

Just thought of something – according to this argument, they could have beheaded, castrated and disemboweled people and try to say it’s legal. They could have dragged Congress and the SCOTUS off to Gitmo, used the military to shut down the media outlets, all legal. The problem with this argument is that there are no hypothetical limits to their behavior whatsoever. It fails the critical test of describing what would not be legal.