Eight days of silence since Hannity volunteered to be waterboarded: Is he chickening out?
Eight days of silence since Hannity volunteered to be waterboarded: Is he chickening out?
Over a week ago — on Wed., April 22 — Fox News’ torture enthusiast Sean Hannity agreed to be waterboarded for charity to prove that it is not torture. Though he dismissed waterboarding as simply taking someone’s head and “dunk[ing] it in water,” he has remained notably silent on his promise ever since, perhaps regretting that he volunteered to subject himself to the intensely terrifying suffocation experience. MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann offered last week to donate $1,000 to military families for every second Hannity is waterboarded. In the face of Hannity’s silence, Olbermann repeated the offer this week:
OLBERMANN: Sean, my offer still stands, 1,000 dollars a second. This is not a stunt nor game. Prove to those families you are a man of your word. In fact, prove you are a man.
Hannity, we await your reply.
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I say we ask the man himself… oh wait, his calls are screened.
Coward.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:26 amHe is a coward
May 1st, 2009 at 11:27 amHe’s been way too overwhelmed with his teabagging obligations.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:27 amNot sure if he’s more afraid of the waterboarding or having to give something to charity.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:28 amHannity will follow up on his promise about the same time that
May 1st, 2009 at 11:28 amBilldo O’Lielly starts telling the truth, and Glenn Beck comes back to reality.
Cluck, cluck, cluck, Chickenhawk. Grow a pair, willya????
May 1st, 2009 at 11:29 amEight days of silence since Hannity volunteered to be waterboarded: Is he chickening out?
– - Hannity has no idea what Olbermann said. I don’t think unfiltered audio can permeate Hannity’s bubble.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:29 amSeriously, it’s like a nice drink of water, right? What’s he afraid of?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:30 ami’ll supply the water and all the towels.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:31 amMay be we shd tell his PR Elizabeth from the view to schedule the date
May 1st, 2009 at 11:31 amlol
Give me a P! a U! an S! an S! a Y!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:31 amWhat does that spell????
He honestly thinks we’re going to drop this, doesn’t he?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:33 amI’ve got $10 a second on it.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:33 amSean Hannity: All hair and no cattle.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:34 amcitizen_pain Says:
Give me a P! a U! an S! an S! a Y!
What does that spell????
Sean Hannity…?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:35 amIf he really wants to help charity, he should sell tickets to his drowning… erm, water drinking.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:36 amI really think Hannity is going to follow through with his promise. He is in preparations now. He has to stop eating, take the medication Fleet, and stop drinking anything for a set amount of time. You know, he wouldn’t want to sh** or pi** his pants in public when he is waterboarded. Further, it does take time for certain psychotropic medications, such as anti-anxiety drugs, to reach therapeutic dose.
Give the man some time!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:38 amHannity is a right winger
May 1st, 2009 at 11:38 amRight wingers are cowards
Hannity is a coward
Only one response is appropriate here:
ha ha
May 1st, 2009 at 11:41 amHe’ll never do it! He’s purely chickenhawk and nothing more!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:42 amimagine being such a weak little pansy that you would support the right wingers’ simply because they terrified you into it!
right wingers are such sissies
liberals realize that America is strong enough to defeat terrorists without resorting to torture and war
why are right wingers such cowards?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:42 amI hope you’re not sharing needles joey… that’s how people get sick
May 1st, 2009 at 11:42 amhi bazooka!!! why should the greatest pro-america man on earth drink water for pennies on the dollar?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:43 amBadmoodman Says
May 1st, 2009 at 11:29 am
- – Hannity has no idea what Olbermann said. I don’t think unfiltered audio can permeate Hannity’s bubble.
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Well, SOMEBODY must have pierced Hannity’s bubble, because I am assuming from his silence that somebody got to him and explained that waterboarding isn’t just getting your head dunked in water.
Next, Hannity may volunteer for iron maiden torture, until somebody explains to him that it’s not a dominatrix.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:43 amTerrorism only works on the terrified, which is why right wing cowards like bajookajoey are so easily manipulated by fear when the republicans terrify them
May 1st, 2009 at 11:43 amHey everyone you have missed today’s news. Hannity has decided to go ahead….he will waterboard O’Reilly!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:44 amTerrorists use fear to further their political agenda
May 1st, 2009 at 11:44 amRepublicans use fear to further their political agenda
Republicans are terrorists
ranting tommy stop with the repetitive posts ok????
May 1st, 2009 at 11:45 amIf Sean is too afraid to give the board a spin I would like to challenge him to one of the lesser of the torture treatments on Bush’s hit parade. I prefer the one in which the detainee is forced to wear a leather collar with a batton attached. The batton is used as leverage to literally slam the detainee into a wall over and over. The OLC memo’s state that by using the collar it minimizes the potential for severe neck injury. Oh, and the wall that they are slammed into cannot be solid brick, that would be torture. The interrogators are only allowed to slam detainees into walls made of sheetrock. You see they really do care.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:45 amWhy are we wasting our time talking about this coward, all of these cowards, all who had a chance to serve but didnt because, well, because they’re cowards!!
All of these tough talkers on TV, radio, here on this site and others who love torture or endorse it would never subject themselves to anything that may cause them physical harm, but they talk a good game, so lets just forget this idiot, he is not gonna be waterboarded by anyone unless its done by someone FAUX friendly.
RIP
May 1st, 2009 at 11:45 amSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
I know it’s redundant to say ‘right wing coward’, but some people still need it pointed out to them
May 1st, 2009 at 11:46 amtombaker Says:
He’s been way too overwhelmed with his teabagging obligations.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am
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Well that’s no excuse. It shouldn’t be hard at all to combine the two. Just dunk a pair of teabags in his open mouth while his respiratory system is filled with water and you’ll kill two birds with one stone.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:46 amGee… is bazookamouth just brotha under a different name?
There is a certain similarity to the utter incoherence of the comment…
May 1st, 2009 at 11:46 amWhy does it need to? He’s got Eliz taking up for him on The View. Funny… you’d think someone like him wouldn’t need a little girl (she’s too immature to be called a ‘woman’) standing up for him.
She’s nauseating and the single reason I NEVER watch that show.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:46 ambazookajoey raves maniacally and nonsensically
May 1st, 2009 at 11:40 am
OK — I think a basic sobriety test as a condition of logging on here might be in order.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:47 amRepublicans want to advocate war and torture but can’t man up and put their foot where their mouth is to take it for the team.
That’s why we call them CHICKEN-HAWKS.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 ambazookajoey,
Do you think there were no “conservatives” in NYC that day who were leaving behind a trail of conservative excrement?
How do you feel about them?
Try not to get internally conflicted by the question. ;)
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 ammisscoleopteramolly Says:
Next, Hannity may volunteer for iron maiden torture, until somebody explains to him that it’s not a dominatrix.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:43 am
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Which kind of iron maiden torture – the box with the nails, or being forced to listen to “Run To The Hills” over and over?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 amPlayed by a polka band
May 1st, 2009 at 11:49 ambazookajoey, take your RITALIN!
May 1st, 2009 at 11:49 amHannity is a coward.
Any thoughts trolls?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:52 amTrolls like cowards because they can relate to them
May 1st, 2009 at 11:52 amOver a week ago — on Thurs., April 22 — Fox News’ torture enthusiast Sean Hannity agreed to be waterboarded for charity to prove that it is not torture. Though he dismissed waterboarding as simply taking someone’s head and “dunk[ing] it in water,” he has remained notably silent on his promise ever since, perhaps regretting that he volunteered to subject himself to the intensely terrifying suffocation experience.
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Three words…TALK IS CHEAP.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:53 am.
Sean would cry.
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May 1st, 2009 at 11:53 amneoparody Says:
ranting tommy stop with the repetitive posts ok????
neo, unbind your britches, mmmmkay?
May 1st, 2009 at 11:53 amRantingTommy Says:
… or being forced to listen to “Run To The Hills” over and over?
Played by a polka band
May 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am
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That could be really cool, actually. :)
May 1st, 2009 at 11:54 amLet me channel Hannity here:
Waterboard. I didn’t offer any such thing. There are no tapes. There are no YouTubes. I must have been misquoted….
May 1st, 2009 at 11:54 amWell duh. republicans are nothing but cowards and liars.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:54 amwhoops – and bigots. Can’t forget that.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:54 amHey bazookapussy you’ve got a few flaws in your post:
May 1st, 2009 at 11:56 am1-There is no evidence that torture gleened ANY actionable intel (which doesn’t matter anyway. Torture is illegal and Bush and his gang gleefully broke the law not to stop terrorist plots but to obtain false confessions linking al queda to Saddam Hussein)
2-President Obama did not know about the photo-op until any of the rest of us did. The idiot who co-ordinated it is a Bush hangover BTW.
3-Most of those “libral NYers”, myself included, that you reference would kick your pansy @ss up and down Broadway until you ran home crying to your momma you piss-soaked mis-informed fool. PTSD is something that many NYers experience after losing loved ones or just witnessing first hand the destruction that George Bush and his neocon ball-lickers looked the other way on when we were attacked on 9/11. Seeing a jet flying that low over restricted airspace and being tailed by a fighter jet could understandably scare many people in a city that has been devestated and then basically ignored by the Bush Adnministration.
he’s backing off because he KNOWS it’s torture but won’t admit it. What a pussy.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:56 amTypical bully behavior from Hannity. He can dish it out but runs like a scared rabbit when it comes back to him.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:58 amWell, if you ever had a chance to have happened on his show, he is a whiny, cry baby whimp…that whiny voice and “teh stupid” are just too much to take.
Of course he won’t do it….he’s all aasskearedddd, and Repukes never backup what they say.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:58 amOver a week ago — on Thurs., April 22 — Fox News’ torture enthusiast Sean Hannity agreed to be waterboarded for charity to prove that it is not torture. Though he dismissed waterboarding as simply taking someone’s head and “dunk[ing] it in water,” he has remained notably silent on his promise ever since, perhaps regretting that he volunteered to subject himself to the intensely terrifying suffocation experience.
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Three words…TALK IS CHEAP. There are a lot of conservative men out there like Hannity who are good at talking tough but who fold like dinner napkins when someone challenges them to put their money where their mouths are. All you have to do is look at all the people who were eager to support the War In Iraq as long as other people (or other people’s children) were the ones fighting in it — and dying in it.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:59 ambazookajoey Says:
well a couple terrorists broke several al qaeda cells is a good.
really is a bucket of Hannity should man do it
funny that notoriously New York city were running wussies from Obama his staff a photo-op up Airforcedeuce of Liberty.
freaked out! would the first ones you waterboad these bastards another attack.
schizophrenia of the american torture do torture will prevent airforcedeuce buzzing our sh*te
yeah, I forgot anymore, if they attack its a manmade terrorist lol
da plane! Airforcedeuce is circling the excrement
the ones you want deciding you can have and when
There, makes about as much sense as before!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:01 pmI think you win the cupey doll The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity. BazookaJoey has the same neanderthal subtlety to his posts as the phony Irish doctor. Just another piss-soaked gleefully ignorant troll.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:02 pmHanniTea: But I splash water on my face everyday, its not torture so how is it able to extract false information…I dont go blubbering on about things to make myself stop splashing water on my face. Why I slapped my face, like Limbaugh did, it wasnt torture at all, why many women have slapped my face much harder than Oxybaugh ever could, and still I didnt talk, I wasnt coerced into telling the truth or even giving false information which I do all the time without splashing water on or slapping my face.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:02 pmsquirt-gunjoey is just another right winger, panicked by the terrorism from the republicans, trying to blame liberals for his sorry state
what a pathetic little cowardly loser
May 1st, 2009 at 12:02 pmThis cowboy is all hat.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:02 pmwaterboard the skank in the dermitage advertisement to your right!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:03 pmhere’s what I propose if hannity ever agrees to being tortured on the water board;
for 45 seconds or until hannity admits he was the mastermind behind 9/11
then again for 45 seconds or until hannity admits he is a secret nazi
for 45 seconds or until hannity admits he has plans to assasinate president obama
then when finnished we need to ask him if any or all of those confessions should be investigated and if he should be charged for the crime
I am guessing he admits all these crimes withing the first 20 seconds
May 1st, 2009 at 12:03 pmbazookajoey Says:
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
bazookajoey, take your RITALIN!
Brilliant, on topic reply that has nothing to do with anything. Grow a brain and if you want to address me, leave out the stupid insults and reply with reason and intellect. I know you can doooooeeetttt!
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twajie,
will you ever learn?
:)
May 1st, 2009 at 12:03 pmbazookajoey Says:
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
bazookajoey, take your RITALIN!
Brilliant, on topic reply that has nothing to do with anything. Grow a brain and if you want to address me, leave out the stupid insults and reply with reason and intellect. I know you can doooooeeetttt!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pmWhy don’t addres post #53 then, mr. on topic boy. HMMMMMMM???
Well, after all he is brave chicken hawk for saying it…….did he clear this with flush Limpballs?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pmBazookey’s kabuki the-ater!! chub chub flubber flub, bazookey can outdrink the WHOLE pub!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:07 pmBluestocking, I have lost count of the deferments by the top brass of the Shrubs crime family who were the cheerleaders of the “romantic” War in Iraq…..I know it`s got to be in double digits!!!!!!!!!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:09 pmbazookajoey Says:
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Really, isn’t it better to just flag away NOW and save ourselves from HOURS of this fool’s incoherent ranting?
Not to mention the reek of stale urine and human grease?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pmbazookajoey Says:
Again, more insults instead of intelligent debate. IS there anyone here who can debate rather than squeal like a baby pig?
You started it, jackass.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:11 pmbazookajoey Says:
Its funny though that notoriously liberal New York city workers were running screaming like wussies
Can dish it out, but can’t take it…sounds like a real wuss to me. lol. excrement lol.
bazookajoey Says:
now what intellegent discussion to do you have to add?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pmYou haven’t added anything yet. Except a big WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINEEEEE
bazookajoey, Is a typical Reich wing re-puke who doesn`t play well with the left,like the rest of the Reich his is still sore from the a$$ whippin in November,just wait until 2010 when you guys lose everything else in Washington.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pmTweedster Says:
bazookajoey Says:
now what intellegent discussion to do you have to add?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pmI’d like to debate the geniuses that flew airofrcedeuce and their role in the health care debate.
bazookajoey Says:
And these geniuses are the ones you want deciding what medical care you can have and when
Well????
Those Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing, AIG, Lehman Bros., et al. guys were Government Workers??
Wow – I did not know that.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pmbazookajoey, the same stale gum found on pavement everywhere. Time to wave the bye bye flag.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pmbazookajoey Says:
“If you want to discuss things like rational human beings with thought and intellectual posts. I am game.”
Why in the world would we want to converse with an idiot?
Your posts are the rants of a moron…if you think like your posts then debate is useless.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pmsquirtgunjoey thinks we should follow HIS rules of debate, which apparently are: treat squirtgunjoey as if he has a point and ignore facts
May 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pmThis complete and utter tool bazookey starts out hurling insults and THEN wants intelligent debate?
PAH!
and THEN cries about insults!!!
DOUBLE PAH!!!
PAH-thetic!!!!!
Get real
May 1st, 2009 at 12:16 pmAhem. If I may…
@ #78 I’m bringin’ what you’re wantin’, Mr. Bazoo.
Label free.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pmSniff, sniff. Concern troll or dog fart? Hard to tell the difference.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pmbazookajoey Says:
Why are you people so hostile. The majority of my posts have been simply asking you to refrain from insulting people needlessly and discuss the issues intelligently.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pmAfter the initial post when you hurled around insults and lol’
ed at your own “jokes” errr points? YOU WUSS!!!!
Olbermann even found a volunteer to do it. C’mon Hannity, man up!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pmhttp://www.gotchamediablog.com/2009/04/olbermann-finds-man-to-waterboard.html
sorry squirtgunjoey, we reserve intelligent debate for intelligent posters
you have proven that you are just another crybaby right winger that has nothing to say but “im scared of everything”
you have earned zero respect with your silly, sad, cowardly ignorance
get it yet?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pmHey Bazooka, shut it, seriously. You have no credibility. Go to drudge of rush’s web sites, you’ll have a more friendly audience.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pmtombaker Says:
Ahem. If I may…
@ #78 I’m bringin’ what you’re wantin’, Mr. Bazoo.
Label free.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pmIf you follow through bazookey I will stop **sniff, sniff, wimper** insulting you.
Whate would be the guidelines for the waterboarding? Would we have the same people who administered it to KSM? Would it be at Gitmo?
Could it be that Hannity said something he didn’t mean?
I came in here late, what’s bazookajoey’s beef?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pmBazooka, Why don`t you tell Mannity to man up or shut it.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:19 pmThat he has none
May 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pmbazoookey sez:
And I am not getting into a flag-waving/burning debate. That’s completely off-topic. Lets stay on topic folks, ditch the insults, think rationally.
Like bringing in health care and the airforcedeuce photo op up on a thread about hannity and torture? and calling people wussies trailing excrement supposedly because they are liberals?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL…you lie to yourself you deluded little troll hole.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:21 pmJust a parakeet repeating inane talking points — the usual finger pointing blame gamer flamer
May 1st, 2009 at 12:21 pmhmm.. :S Sesli Sohbet
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmSesli Chat
SesliSohbet
SesliChat
ConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
WRONG.
He’s against clown shoes advocating torture and then brushing it off as not being torture.
Get the dingleberries out of your ears, fart face.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmbazooookey shart himself and will resume idiocy in 3…2…1…
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmOLBERMANN: Sean, my offer still stands, 1,000 dollars a second. This is not a stunt nor game. Prove to those families you are a man of your word. In fact, prove you are a man.
**The Manatee fills his shorts**
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmhannity@foxnews.com
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmLets stay on topic folks, ditch the insults, think rationally.
This topic doesn’t leave much for thought. Hannity is a fool. There done.
Oh and “ditch the insults” after you started with insults? I don’t think your thinking rationally.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmHairline hannity haasn’t followed up on his pledge to be waterboarded for charity?
Call him and ask him why: Sean Hannity: 212-613-3800.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pmImagine how wimpy they’ll be when we confiscate their guns.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:23 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
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Olberman is telling Mannity to man up or shut the F up,just like a typical TROLL you`ll spin anything to your thinking.
but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts…who boast publicly they’d undergo the procedure to prove it’s no big deal.
weak cherry-pick, cfp – no itinerant farmwork for you!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:23 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives
May 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pmYou cannot and will not ever be able to offer indisputable proof of this lame ass assertion, moronicus maximus.
Where is Hannity’s major concern with this? It would just be a wet photo op to give him bragging rights about how water boarding isn’t so bad. And getting a grand a second to his choice of charity from KO? How sweet would that be?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pmConservativeForProgresss is envious of Hannity’s deep set beady eyes and square jaw.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or just missing the point?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:25 pmbut is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts.
Not all of them, necessarily.
Just the ones who say it isn’t “torture.”
How about you, cully? wanna try it?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:25 pmAnd the others were wildly speculative, logically dubious, incoherent rants.
If you really want to ‘discuss the issues intelligently”, you started off on the wrong foot.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pmelisabeth hasselbeck twittered she would do it after her baby is born!! Hannity needs to man up.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
Do you not see the difference between waterboarding for torture and asking to be waterboarded to try prove it’s not torture?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pmQuestion to Bazooka and the other troll, CFP:
If the US executed Japanese soldiers for water boarding our troops, what makes you think it’s legal now? Becasue the Bu$h/Cheney lawyers said so?
You f’n morons don’t deserve the freedom this country gives you. You two are noting but pansy a$$ skirt wearing bedwetting Osama’s under my bed cowards, just like you’re draft dodging coward leaders.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pmonservativeForProgress Says:
I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
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Talk about asinine gibberish…
May 1st, 2009 at 12:28 pmmaybe it’s joey’s shift at the glory hole
May 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pmlol, conforprogress shows up just as squirtgunjoey leaves
i’m just sayin’
May 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pmActually — at least when seen from the proper perspective — the longer Hannity continues to put this off, the deeper the hole which he’s digging for himself becomes. Hannity’s apparent reluctance or refusal to “put his money where his mouth is” suggests that despite all his bluster and his attempts to make light of waterboarding, he knows that it’s a far more stressful experience than what he has tried to portray it as being — because if it were truly as harmless as he has tried so hard to suggest, there really isn’t much reason for his continued reluctance to take up the gauntlet which was thrown at his feet, especially since he has the opportunity to potentially receive some money in the process as an additional incentive.
The plain and simple fact is that Hannity opened his mouth, jammed both feet in as far as they could possibly go, and found himself trapped in a paradox — perhaps this will teach him to think before he speaks in future (although I doubt it). If waterboarding really isn’t a big deal, then his reluctance to take up the gauntlet doesn’t make much sense — so his reluctance suggests that he has unspoken fears of what the experience might really be like, which implies that he doesn’t have as much confidence in his own assurances as he pretends to have. To some extent, he’s caught himself in a no-win situation which will make him look like either a coward or a liar. He only has himself to blame — and I don’t even have one gram of sympathy for him.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pmCFP, your post might have a little credence if KO had suggested Hannity be boarded, which he didn’t. Sean volunteered and KO offered to give $ to charity if Hannity followed up on his brag.
And now he is calling the blowhard on his cowardice.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:31 pmConservativeForProgress you do realize that it was Hannity that said he would be waterboarded. KO is just trying to keep him honest. You remember honesty don’t you? I mean what would become of Fox News if they didn’t keep there word? They would lose all the credibility they’ve spent so long to build up.
I mean KO is only asking Hannity to be a man of his word. Otherwise Hannity is a liar.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:31 pmYeah, the only confirmed case of workers running out of their buildings like pussies were at the Merchantile exchange. I don’t think you’re going to find too many ‘notorious liberals’ on the exchange floor.
I was in the world trade center all day and no one panicked. I have friends in firms all over downtown and the only case anyone has even heard of anyone freaking out is at NYMEX.
NYers are notoriously badass
May 1st, 2009 at 12:32 pmlook at squirtgunjoey, trying to pretend he wants to be reasonable after demonstrating that he isn’t
like most right wing cowards, he thinks we can’t refer to what he said before
what a sissy
May 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pmHey bazooka joey…it’s very easy to post that kind of crap while hiding behind your monitor. I live and work in Brooklyn. I just showed this to some of the guys (teamsters, actually) here in the warehouse where I work. They really, really want to speak with you.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pmYeah, he is a real man.
For his sake, he better not EVER wind up in prison…pretty boy might be in trouble.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pmSo Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
This is a major problem with conservatives. It’s a complete lack of critical thinking skills. What’s obvious to us isn’t obvious to them, based on an already prejudicial view of Olbermann. The fact that Olbermann is trying to make a point is almost embarassing to have to explain. Sometimes talking to the trolls on here is like leading a primary school class.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pmbazookajoey Says:
well waterboarding a couple of terrorists that broke up several al qaeda terror cells is a good thing.
Proof please.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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When waterboarding is used against a conservative talk show host, it’s not an interrogation technique. We already KNOW they don’t have any information about ANYTHING.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pmIf we cant agree on torturing the 2 guys that ran the 9/11 planes that killed 3000 of our countrymen. What can we agree on?
BJ, not a single freaking thing. Torture is torture. Torture is illegal. As long as you think other wise, my dog farts more sense than you.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pmaquarius2 Says:
Typical bully behavior from Hannity. He can dish it out but runs like a scared rabbit when it comes back to him.
Exactly! Which is why Keith Olbermann is such an asset to this country! He focuses like a laser on the “evil ones” and has the statute and the credibility to push back! And we all know how bullies react when they are pushed back!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pmThat really isn’t what this thread is about, now is it?
How about NOT TORTURING people because it’s illegal, immoral and compromises our standing in the world.
link?
Threatening physical harm will not get the USA out of this mess.
Neither will actual physical harm, like torture. And what ‘mess’ in particular are you referring to?
That apparently simple question has rather complicated answers. At the risk of veering off topic, can you be more specific?
Again, try to stay on topic.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pmIf we cant agree on torturing the 2 guys
Threatening physical harm will not get the USA out of this mess.
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May 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pmSo threatening physical harm won’t help but inflicting it will? How come they can never maintain consistency of thought?
Toasterheat @ 129. That was funny.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pmbazookajoey Says:
If we cant agree on torturing the 2 guys that ran the 9/11 planes that killed 3000 of our countrymen. What can we agree on?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
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Nothing. If the conservative fringe of this country truly believes that terrorism is a legitimate excuse to use torture, then they have nothing of value to offer to any discussion on any other topic, and they do not deserve to be heard by anyone.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pmbazookajoey Says:
I am my own man, I think for myself. I dont watch tv or these bumbling stooges in your government. And I certainly dont watch the Hannity retard or listen to Limbaugh who make money off of stirring up stuff. Or the Pelosi or Reid who do the same to their base.
Since you don’t think of the government as being your government, perhaps you should think about finding another country that suits your views better than the USA.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
Olbermann is against waterboarding, yes. The practices of using torturous techniques on people is considered torture because the tortured person isn’t asking for it.
The difference here is that Hannity is basically daring the practice. If he says he’ll do it for charity, he is basically requesting it. No one is charging into his residence under the cloak of darkness and forcing him into a Guantanimo Bay cell. No one is waterboarding him without his consent.
Hannity is daring us to prove that waterboarding is torture by undergoing it. Olbermann is double daring him that he can’t back up his dare. All that’s left is the physical challenge now.
Hannity’s not going to go through with it. Olbermann is holding Hannity’s feet to the fire to show that Hannity hides from his own words. If he goes through with it and can survive it, he’ll be making his point. Every day he does not back up his words means that his point loses more and more credibility.
Olbermann would not demand that Hannity be waterboarded against his will. Hannity’s volunteering to do so opened that gate.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pmConservativeForProgress Says
May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
So Olderman is against harsh interrogation techniques if used against known terrorists to save American lives, but is in favor of waterboarding conservative talk show hosts. I guess we know where Olderman’s priorities lie.
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I don’t think Olbermann is in favor of waterboarding anybody against their will. But you seem to forget that Hannity VOLUNTEERED to be waterboarded (on his own — not goaded by Keith or anyone else) to “prove” that it’s not torture.
Keith is just holding Hannity’s feet to the fire (oops — bad cliche in a torture thread) to make him prove he can walk the walk as well as talk the talk.
I think we call that “put up or shut up”. And Hannity appears to have shut up. Either way, we win.
Oh — and your bit about “used against known terrorists to save American lives”? Would you mind giving us a list of American lives saved by these harsh interrogation techniques? Because there are people from some rather high levels in government (you know — privy to classified information and all) who claim that these techniques don’t give us useful information. Since you obviously have more inside knowledge than they do, can you share details with us?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pmHannity is a goof. As the saying goes, there is no sense being a goof unless you practice at it.
Hannity’s only talent is a loud voice that he can use to spout a few talking points put in his head before each show.
Hannity must be polishing someone’s banana at Fox.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pmhannity: gaelic for no talent.
ever see hannity do his juggling act? no? that’s because ann coulter keeps his balls in her purse.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pmdbadass, have you ever tried to defend wingnut views? I’ve never tried it either, but it looks really really difficult, and maintaining consistency of thought would make it impossible.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 am
Which kind of iron maiden torture – the box with the nails, or being forced to listen to “Run To The Hills” over and over?
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I was thinking of the box of nails, but your other option would be just as bad.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:47 pmbazookajoey Says:
Why are you people so hostile. The majority of my posts have been simply asking you to refrain from insulting people needlessly and discuss the issues intelligently.
Things you learn in kindergarten
Discussing an issue intelligently according to bazooka:
Its funny though that notoriously liberal New York city workers were running screaming like wussies from buildings after Obama and his staff staged a photo-op with back up Airforcedeuce around the Statue of Liberty. lol
OMG, boss, da plane, da plane! Airforcedeuce is circling the statue of liberty for a photoop. RUN RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! As they leave a trail of their own liberal excrement
Calling yourself a leftwinger and delusionally thinking you are in power and waiting for the government to do ANYTHING for you is crazy.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pmYa’ll can start flagging any time or you can let a buffoon tie the thread up all day.
It is a matter of choice.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
chiroptera toasterhead Says
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 am
Which kind of iron maiden torture – the box with the nails, or being forced to listen to “Run To The Hills” over and over?
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I was thinking of the box of nails, but your other option would be just as bad.
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And just think how painful having to endure BOTH at the same time would be…
May 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pmName one american?
May 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pmAnd infliction of psychological damage, if any people in the world should have to go through some psychological stress testing, its these two who killed 3000 Americans. To not stress them to the point to where they tell everything they know is unethical.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:50 pm__________________________ Name the 3000 people these two killed.
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
bazookajoey Says:
well waterboarding a couple of terrorists that broke up several al qaeda terror cells is a good thing.
Proof please.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pmStill nothing, huh bazookey? How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
Hey now!
“Run For The Hills” kicks!
Not as rocking as “Number of the Beast”, of course.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pmBut still kicks.
But making fun of ignorant cowards like squirtgunjoey is FUN!
It also helps demonstrate to readers the mindset necessary to be a right winger, which helps convince people to become liberals.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pmLet’s look at this stuation:
Hannity’s failure to follow through on his boast to be waterboarded certainly is not based on any reluctance to admit that the practice is torture, as Christopher Hitchens acknowledged after undergoing a session.
Hannity has no integrity; he’d think nothing of getting tortured and then boasting how “it wasn’t that bad”.
So we can conclude that his failure to follow through is simply based on his fear that it actually IS torture, and his desire to avoid going through it.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pmYeah, this is some schizo bs coming from bazooka, coming in here obviously offending people, then crying about not being engaged in intellectual debate.
And for that last boring wall of text: it was never proven any reliable information saved 3000 people. What is OBJECTIVE FACT is that interrogators from FBI to CIA know that information under torture is very very rarely useful. The premise is wrong and the whole post is a house of cards. Please refer to Cheney fitfully scrambling around for a handful of papers amongst HUNDREDS that might show some credible evidence. Know one knows so far, and anyone who has this premise is just proving that they are getting their information from unreliable sources: usually Fox news or crappy conservative radio.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pmThe disingenuous “call for civility” after arriving in a hail of insults is a classic troll maneuver. It’s one of my faves, right up there with calling other posters “idiots” in a post rife with spelling and grammatical errors.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
Ya’ll can start flagging any time or you can let a buffoon tie the thread up all day.
It is a matter of choice.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I agree. Flag it. It has nothing to contribute.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:56 pmGood bye, blowzookaphooey!
May 1st, 2009 at 12:57 pmbazookajoey Says:
“If we cant agree on torturing the 2 guys that ran the 9/11 planes that killed 3000 of our countrymen. What can we agree on?”
Then goes on to say:
“Threatening physical harm will not get the USA out of this mess.”
It seems you answered your own question pussyjoe.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:58 pmThat’s some twisted logic you’re carrying around there.
lol, look at squirtgunjoey posting a list of all the people that died because Bush ignored Clinton’s warnings about Al Queada
how cute
irrelevant to the fact that Hannity is a disingenuous coward
May 1st, 2009 at 12:58 pmIt could induce him to have heart failure… That wouldn’t be a good thing to do to someone.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:58 pmbazooka, In the 1980`s we signed a treaty against torture,so once again we can just break the law to suit our own needs.This is America not some third world country where their is nothing but anarchy.Torture is illegal and those who are responsible should be in jail,their is no evidence whatsoever we go any good intel from this kind of inhumane torture,kinda like you trolls that come here to bait instead debate.I personally don`t like conservative politics and their dogma because this is America and I won`t spread hate,just hatred for what you Reich wingers call your dogma/values/hypocrisy/racism/bigotry and your version of Christianity which says all the above is ok.
May 1st, 2009 at 12:59 pmbazookey:
How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
How do you reconcile the insults in your first post on this thread with your call for civility?
May 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pmHeynow Says:
It could induce him to have heart failure… That wouldn’t be a good thing to do to someone.
Hannity doesn’t believe that.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pm[enter any annoying troll here] Says:
I am my own man, I think for myself. I dont watch tv or these bumbling stooges in your government. And I certainly dont watch the Hannity retard or listen to Limbaugh who make money off of stirring up stuff. Or the Pelosi or Reid who do the same to their base.
I think this statement sums up a lot of people who come on to ThinkProgress to “attack the liberals.” It’s the illusion of being “independent” in the U.S., and that both the left and right ideological points are of equal b.s. Also- that all TPers are completely within partisan lines. There’s never mention that many threads and posts criticize our own Democratic leadership to hold them accountable. there’s only the simplistic comparison to the right wing “with us or against us” mentality.
Again with the lack of critical thinking skills, and with a cynicism that is very dangerous to progressive ideas being communicated. The MSM almost has an aggressive ‘centrist’ persona that’s partly to blame here. It’s a trend I think we should continue to watch and figure out how to get around.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pmEvery cheesy, two bit, tinhorn dictator has used the excuse that using torture is justifiable to ’save lives and preserve our nation’. Which is why rational people outlawed it because it is just not true. It is an excuse for really bad behavior.
The fact that Hannity won’t even follow up on his brag says he knows it as well.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pmFLAG THE F-IN’ CREEP…
What’s wrong w/ you guys?
It has NOTHING TO ADD to the conversation. Why are you all letting ONE POINTLESS BUFFOON control the thread?
May 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pmHeynow says:
It could induce him to have heart failure… That wouldn’t be a good thing to do to someone.
Indeed, which is why it is torture, and since Mr. Hannity believes it isn’t torture, he should honestly think before he opens his mouth.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pmIn regard to bazookajoe, I agree, flag him. I am tired of the endless ranting of trolls, pointless misdirections, and posturing.
It is trying to reason with the unreasonable. Yeah, occasionally they get my hackles up, but I always leave feeling as though time was wasted.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:04 pmAs with everything else, there is a website for this too:
http://www.hannitytorturewatch.com/
May 1st, 2009 at 1:04 pmagreed. i flagged him.
but i also find a conversation usually ABOUT the behavior of such annoying people really interesting, and I think we can have useful debate about the why and how some americans perceive liberals and progressives.
not nearly all the time, though.
and don’t forget it’s Friday! Just think of Sean Hannity unable to say anything for the few seconds he’d be able to stand waterboarding…
May 1st, 2009 at 1:07 pmKeith Olbermann has more testosterone in his pinky fingernail than the Manatee has in his entire wretched body. Long ago I learned that the best way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him. Keith does that so well with idiots who waste protoplasm like the Manatee does.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:07 pmGee, yet another tough talking ChickenHawk!
May 1st, 2009 at 1:10 pmtweedster-you’re surprised the troll is a raging hypocrite??
May 1st, 2009 at 1:12 pmthat’s what they are, who they are, and what they do. I say flag ‘em and forget ‘em.
Trolls like bullpuckyjoe are the lamest, laziest halfwits on the planet. They espouse the torture of prisoners, proclaiming to have the safety of this country at heart — which is a lie — and believe that if they claim to be liberals (or independents), we’ll jump right on the torture bandwagon.
ONLY TROLLS AND WINGNUTS THINK LIKE THAT.
They also claim to find name-calling offensive, but arrive here calling everyone morons, bedwetters, and pansies.
They can’t even keep track of their own comments on ONE thread.
Flag it.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pmbazookajoey Says:
Open your mind a bit, pry it open, please think
May 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
It’s best to take one’s own advice.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:14 pm8 months and he was warned.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:15 pmI love it!
Bush gets a pass for 9/11 from the troll (and all other idiots), but the current state of the economy is all Obama’s fault.
Jesus frackin’ christ.
If we want to play by troll rules (and so-called logic), Obama should get a pass for everything that happens in his first 8 months as president.
**eyes rolling**
May 1st, 2009 at 1:18 pmMeanwhile, folks, other stories have been posted…
May 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pmbazookajoey Says:
Open your mind a bit, pry it open, please think
Says the Walrus to the oysters. Callou Calais. Think of what we had when we had a cabbage as a king.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:20 pmbazookajoey Says:
Here’s the list, and never forget
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How dare you.
How dare you use even ONE name of someone who died on 9/11 to justify, legitimize, or even mitigate the use of torture?
To use their names to gratify your own sick torture fetish is beyond disgusting. You owe each and every one of their families an apology.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:21 pmZooey says: If we want to play by troll rules (and so-called logic), Obama should get a pass for everything that happens in his first 8 months as president.
Make that 8 years.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:22 pmOld Goat Says:
Meanwhile, folks, other stories have been posted…
Unfortunately, that’s how punditry works on television. Say something controversial and/or untrue, allow for reply from a semi-biased panel, then move onto the next issue.
We can’t just let the flow of time wash over this. I hope people continue to hammer Hannity on his dare.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:23 pmbazookey doesn’t control this thread. It’s another great example of avoiding the topic on his part.
Why won’t Hannity stand by his word.
If bazookey can answer that then great. Otherwise bazookey is just another bubble in the tub.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:24 pmZooey, I think we have already established that consistency of thought is not a strength in the “I need attention” crowd
May 1st, 2009 at 1:24 pmyou know, I think I remember the Ron Paul crazies going after Sean Hannity. Maybe they’d like to get in on the action? Everyone can get it on it! We’ll make him say all kinds of “useful information!” About how Fox sucks, or get him to call for the dissolution of the Federal Reserve.
The ratings would go through the roof!
May 1st, 2009 at 1:25 pmHe is just like the fake news bunch of liars and cowards.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pmI tried to oblige Mr. Bazoo, in a manner of which he implied he’d approve, to absolutely no avail on another thread.
Evidently, flags are the only appropriate medicine.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pmMay 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
If flagging everyone who tries intelligent discourse gets them booted.
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You mean like this?
“Its funny though that notoriously liberal New York city workers were running screaming like wussies from buildings after Obama and his staff staged a photo-op with back up Airforcedeuce around the Statue of Liberty. lol”
or maybe this?
“OMG, boss, da plane, da plane! Airforcedeuce is circling the statue of liberty for a photoop. RUN RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! As they leave a trail of their own liberal excrement”
Your own words are what causes you to lack any credibility…
May 1st, 2009 at 1:27 pmjust trying to keep it light for Friday!
Please don’t anyone forget about this little gem of a website:
http://web1.hannity.com/hannidate/index.php?page=index
I especially liked perusing the self-loathing same-sex section.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:28 pmbullpuckyjoey,
The moment you support torture — which is illegal in all circumstances — you lose any claim to intelligence, moral high ground, reasonableness, or humanity.
You are damaged goods.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:28 pmbazookajoey Says:
Dubya was a moron, he couldnt plan to murder 3000 people on 9/11. He’s not the brightest bulb if you didnt know but it does show the mindset of you. The 2 people we are discussing in this thread planned to kill and did kill those people.
Deal with it
If they killed all of those people, then charge them, put them on trial, convict them, and imprison them. Bring justice in the American way. Torture shouldn’t have a role in the process.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pmPurple State says:
We can’t just let the flow of time wash over this. I hope people continue to hammer Hannity on his dare.
Agreed 100%, I was just referring to the troll who craves attention and believes he is controlling the thread.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pmBJ says: You cant blame Bush for what Clinton ignored as well leading up to 9/11.
Nope, you can’t. But since Clinton didn’t ignore the lead up and made a massive effort to pass the info along and Bush ignored it, yeah, we can blame Bush.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pmIts simple, we just disagree on what is torture. Fair enough?
Nope, torture is well defined in both US and international law. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:35 pmthepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/04/here-it-is-ronald-reagan-defined.html
“Here it is: Ronald Reagan defined torture and its illegality
By GottaLaff
The UN Convention on Torture, which (Pres.) Ronald Reagan signed and championed, is very clear and its definition of what torture is obviously broad and inclusive. There’s actually a good discussion of it at Hot Air, which reproduces the legal definition thus:
Article 1.
1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.
Article 2.
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.
Once again: Torture is illegal. It cannot be justified. One cannot justify breaking the law. One cannot justify setting a horrific precedent. One cannot justify setting a new rock bottom global standard. Murder works, too, if you want to get someone out of your life– but one cannot justify it. One cannot defend the indefensible.”
May 1st, 2009 at 1:43 pmbazookajoey Says:
Zooey Says:
bullpuckyjoey,
The moment you support torture — which is illegal in all circumstances — you lose any claim to intelligence, moral high ground, reasonableness, or humanity.
You are damaged goods.
Its simple, we just disagree on what is torture. Fair enough?
May 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
It doesn’t matter what you THINK, bullpucky. The law has taken that out of your hands. It is illegal – no opinion required from you and your kind.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:47 pmYesterday two of us each put of a $1,000 to pay to see Hannitea waterboarded.
My bet still holds.
It’s the weekend, time for some good entertainment.
SEAN?….
May 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pmBrothabill, is that you, mate? Bazookajoe ?
May 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm#214 – republicans hate facts Says:
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“Read it and weep …”
May 1st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Key portion of the article you mention:
“There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.
Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false. The information that led to Mr. Shibh’s capture came primarily from a different terrorist operative who was interviewed using traditional methods. As for Mr. Padilla, the dates just don’t add up: the harsh techniques were approved in the memo of August 2002, Mr. Padilla had been arrested that May.”
May 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pmBrotha, step outside, lad–it’s spring! Start a real fight on the street!
May 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pmAnother sockpuppet for the same troll, zero doubt about it.
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Indeed as evidenced by the avoid those you know you can’t handle strategy.
Well ten more minutes and it is the weekend here. Enjoy the afternoon folks and see you in a few hours maybe
May 1st, 2009 at 1:56 pmbazookajoey Says:
Just curious as to why the most anti-intellectual posters correlate with twisting my nickname into something else? What is the need inside of you that drives you to do that?
May 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Does it hurt your feelings, joey? Am I supposed to feel sorry for you? Have you worked up a tear or two?
Your first comment on this thread was #20. Go back and read that, and then come back and tell me why you deserve any respect whatsoever.
May 1st, 2009 at 1:58 pmBrotha, your game sucks, mate.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:01 pmwell waterboarding a couple of terrorists that broke up several al qaeda terror cells is a good thing.
Wow, another wingnut hiding in an alternate reality?
Why am I not surprised?
May 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pmbazookajoey Says:
As I said to Zooey, I dont think this is torture…
Then you’re not thinking. Extensive demonstration of the fact has been provided in this thread. Refusing to recognize reality is not “thinking.”
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bazookajoey Says:
…it worked according to Obama’s own memo releases.
Define “worked.” What necessary goals were achieved?
May 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pmbazookajoey Says:
As I said to Zooey, I dont think this is torture and it worked according to Obama’s own memo releases.
It was just psychological stress to break them. Its not like I am saying this should replace due process for US citizens. But enemy combatants who admit to killing 3000 more who got arrested and laughed and asked for their lawyers.
Well, wringing my hands over them getting waterboarded is just that you forget what they did on that horrible day.
I know we’re not going to change your mind on waterboarding, and vice versa, but the fact that it had been done as a torturing technique in World War II and had been “banned” as a technique during the Vietnam War gives some historical evidence that it is a torturing device.
You can see it your way, but repeated “psychological stress to break them” is my definition of torture, especially when done over 180 times to one person. We will agree to disagree on this.
I don’t for a minute forget nor forgive what these masterminds did to the U.S. It was a heinous attack. However, I don’t believe that torture was the right path to resolve things. Doing this would have gotten out into the public at some point, as it ended up doing, and my belief is that you end up turning the masterminds into martyrs doing so. Justice without torture was what I would have wanted.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pmHow about ThinkProgress members offering to match
dollar-for-dollar, Olbermann’s offer? So Hannity can
donate $2,000 now for every second of waterboarding.
And every 10th waterboarding, we can match it 2 dollars
May 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pmfor every dollar. Come on Sean, you can do it! ;-)
BJ, blogs are about opinions but when it comes to the law, neither your opinion nor mine matter. The law is the final word. If you choose to have the opinion that the law doesn’t matter, be ready for some serious hilarity.
Anyone who holds the law doesn’t matter is either sick or deluded. And defending illegal practices as legal and expecting respect ranks right up there with claiming the earth is flat or the center of the universe.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:05 pmOLBERMANN: Sean, my offer still stands, 1,000 dollars a second. This is not a stunt nor game. Prove to those families you are a man of your word. In fact, prove you are a man.
Oh the irony. I can’t believe how many people that are against “torture” really want to see Hannity “tortured”.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:05 pmand it worked according to Obama’s own memo releases.
No, that’s not what it said. And it was memo. Singular.
Another idiot for torture. Why aren’t there any intelligent arguments on their side (or any facts?).
Oh, right.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:07 pmI can’t believe how many people that are against “torture” really want to see Hannity “tortured”.
If he volunteers, like Christopher Hitchens did, it’s not torture.
Another moron for torture, dealt with.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:08 pmlol, just popped back in to congratulate you guys on the thrashing you gave this squirtgunjoey kid.
of course, outwitting joey is like tripping an athlete in the special olympics, but it was still fun
trollwackers united!
May 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pmjaimymoore Says:
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I can’t believe how many people that are against “torture” really want to see Hannity “tortured”.
If he volunteers, like Christopher Hitchens did, it’s not torture.
Another moron for torture, dealt with.
Why would you want to see him go through it so much if it is so bad? I don’t get it.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pmBJ needs to be flagged for his pathetic stalking comments. Though if he ever succeeded in his ‘dream’, I am certain he would hardly enjoy the result.
“I’m sorry but does wearing my azz for a hat make me look stupid? Or is it just because I am?”
May 1st, 2009 at 2:15 pmWhy would you want to see him go through it so much if it is so bad? I don’t get it.
Because he said he’d do it and he thinks it’s no big deal. Christopher Hitchens got a wakeup call from the experience.
As it is, I’m enjoying Hannity’s cowardice. Then again, if he weren’t a coward, he wouldn’t be a conservative.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:15 pmThe Hitchens article is here.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:17 pmJohnM Says: Why would you want to see him go through it so much if it is so bad? I don’t get it.
No one Wants to see him go through it as punishment. We want him to acknowledge that it is horrible and quit saying it is no big deal. If it is no big deal, honor his word.
Simple.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:18 pmJohnM Says:
OLBERMANN: Sean, my offer still stands, 1,000 dollars a second. This is not a stunt nor game. Prove to those families you are a man of your word. In fact, prove you are a man.
Oh the irony. I can’t believe how many people that are against “torture” really want to see Hannity “tortured”.
JohnM, what are we supposed to do if Hannity makes this dare as a claim of his bravery?
Look, let’s look at it this way: say someone is getting whipped by someone else against their will. It’s being done to break the subject. I doubt that anyone on either side of the aisle, save for extremists, would deny that the person whipping the subject isn’t criminally responsible in some way.
Now, let’s look at someone who claims that getting whipped is no big deal and dares someone to do it. If he doesn’t back down from his challenge if someone were to call him out on it, is the subject a victim? Is the whipper a criminal? In this case, I see it as something that is totally volunteered without understanding the consequences. The subject has no right, in my mind, to complain afterwards. He asked for it, correct?
I myself do not want to see ANYONE waterboarded/tortured. This is Olbermann calling Hannity’s bluff and putting doubt into Hannity’s claims. If Hannity agrees to it, he volunteered for it.
Look, no one is going to forcefeed you worms, but if you brag you can eat worms, then go and do it. Hannity has to show America that he’s not a man to back down from his word.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:19 pmGee bazooka, tell us more of your genius.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:23 pmJohnM is another fool who forgets that Hannity WANTS to be waterboarded.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm[yawn]
If that means watching you get handled and humiliated over and over, whatever. I can go to any leftwing blog and watch ignorant wingnuts get reamed.
Or, I can pick up a newspaper and watch their whole, pathetic movement collapse. I pretty much have my choice of venues for watching the total humiliation of the American right, so it’s not like you have anything to offer that’s special.
Even your bad typing and spelling are … common.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:25 pmActually, JohnM seems confused, and I don’t think Hannity really wants to be waterboarded.
Hannity just let his mouth write a check his ass can’t cash. It was one thing when the chickenhawks were pushing for the invasion of … well, everywhere. But Hannity blurted out something that actually put his flat ass on the line.
And now he’s running scared.
I’ll give Hannity one compliment. He really does embody the spirit of American conservatism: cowardice.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:29 pmJohnM Says:
Oh the irony. I can’t believe how many people that are against “torture” really want to see Hannity “tortured”.
Hannity doesn’t think it’s that bad. If that’s true, then it must be OK to do it to him. I don’t mind people volunteering to undergo torture if they don’t see it as torture. For example, there are a number of very painful kinky sexual practices that people engage in, and they’re free to do that. That doesn’t mean I want them done to me.
There’s no hypocrisy on this side of the argument.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:31 pmI missed out on a schizophrenic troll?
Damn. That is something.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm“Freedom of speech” on a blog? Where have I heard this one before? As in “for years, from one ignorant rightwinger after another.”
pwnd with his own words and a single link ….
May 1st, 2009 at 2:33 pmMan, this troll is weak!
May 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pmEver notice how when you put a troll on a spit and give them a thorough roasting you end up with an empty spit and a full grease trap?
May 1st, 2009 at 2:40 pmWell, it took a while, but blowjava done got raptured!
May 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pmAll for the better, as I was skipping over his/her posts anywho!
Good work, guys.
:out:
May 1st, 2009 at 2:44 pmI own you all and this webblog
Good luck with that. Now go on Redstate and repeat your own words “Bush is a moron” and see if your freedom of speech gets stepped on and then threaten to shut them down. LOL
May 1st, 2009 at 2:57 pmOnce again, the pathology comes through loud and clear: “I’m very frightened about the future and it’s very important that you liberals get pissed off at me. If I can pretend that I’ve ruined your day, maybe I won’t feel so completely powerless.”
Lame attention trolls like bazookajoey really aren’t worth a response. Just flag him. Flagging works.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:01 pmDont be putting your livid imagination on me BJ cause you will only mislead yourself with subjective [false] truth
May 1st, 2009 at 3:09 pmGosh, you mean old Sean hasn’t done it yet? Since he say’s it is not torture what’s the hold up?
Does this mean that the rumors that Hannity is a lying, phony, low down coward without an ounce of truth or real humanity is not true? Well I’ll stop spreading that rumor then.
As someone else said, if Sean would take a call that was not screened, I would ask. But all calls on Fix are screened.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:11 pmI am an anarchist and I laugh my ass of at you sheeple!
You blindly adhere to one party or the other with not knowing a f**king thing about their policies.
YOu are sheep! Dumb little sheep! You get this sense of joy after I bait you and my posts are banned lol.
You highfive that you stopped freedom of speech. Much the same the clueless german soldiers high-fived as they watched the ashes of jews settle around after burning them alive.
With no thought or reasoning, you march in lock step to the left or the right.
With no brain. You think you are any better than the sheep to the right lol.
None of you can even conceive of thoughts beyond what you are doing saturday night and if you will eat taco bell or go for a lighter fare you cook yourself.
Yet, you sheeple are ALWAYS the problem. You vote with an idiot vote with no reasoning behind it. like a popularity contest.
The man who should be president should be chosen by a lottery, the loser of the lottery has to be President!
You sheeple and if any of you cant figure out the joining of the two words. Its that you are dumb people mixed together with the mindset of sheep!
Dumb and followers. You cant think like an anarchist which I am. You say I am left therefore whatever left leaders think for me, I will follow and parrot.
Its the same on the right, whatevet their pastor tells them, that is correct.
You sheeple are all the same. Thats why the USA is going to fail, should fail and will fail.
Anarchists see things independently and its funny how illiberal you libbys are! Why would you even label yourself as lefties?
Why not label yourself as free thinkers?
The mind of the average sheeple is perplexing to me. I need to study you more
May 1st, 2009 at 3:25 pmRepuplicans hate facts:
I think I figured out the difference between you and I!
You stand for a sorry ineffective system and I am fighting for a whole new system that works.
You cry like a baby b/c you want when you graduate after a few years of sitting on the internet while going to a crap college that doesnt really teach you anything.
You have pinned your goals on a corrupt system you can slip into and get a job
Screw that! This country needs a wake up call from top to bottom! Fire the lice in the govt. Let THEM be homeless and looking for their next meal and forget about you tards studying to replace them in govt.
People need to take control. And you brainwashed idiots are part of the problem.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:35 pmNo way should you get a job in govt when you finally get out of a stinky dorm room like zooey
republicans hate facts Says:
Trollspotter Says:
Lame attention trolls like bazookajoey really aren’t worth a response. Just flag him. Flagging works.
Email faiz if you want a faster response.
And of course, that works so well. Like I cant I P Prox y serve in less than a minute lol.
You are soooo lame. I can shut this blog down if they do it to me where I get pissed.
I doubt they want to really get in a pissing match with people way more tech savvy than them.
Shutting down my free speech, and shutting down all of yours is equivalent. Start with one and you with all of you not able to post here.
Care to test this theory?
May 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pmdamastertroll Says:
Y A W N
May 1st, 2009 at 3:43 pmdamasterbutator must have grown tired of masturbating to internet porn.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pmBRING IT ON!
May 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pmHey dam ass, we’re still here.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pmDamastertroll.
You know, some of us here (okay, maybe just myself) was willing to converse properly with you about these issues. I still am…to a certain degree.
Anarchy is, sadly, not the answer, and I don’t really believe it’s your answer.
There needs to be a certain degree of government, or else I don’t think any of us would be here, able to express ourselves on ThinkProgress or RedState or anywhere. There would be no organization that would allow pundits to survive in protesting government. There would be no Rush Limbaugh, since there would be no government to protect his freedom of speech.
And you would fail to exist here too. Let’s face it; you need ThinkProgress to justify your existence. You need us “sheeple” to identify yourself.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pmdoubt they want to really get in a pissing match with people way more tech savvy than them
May 1st, 2009 at 3:49 pm—-
how about with people far more capable of higher level thought?
I am an anarchist and I laugh my ass of at you sheeple
May 1st, 2009 at 3:50 pm—
Seems it is more likely that you are the moern equivilent of a kid that got ahold of daddy’s cb but I’ll play along. So how would an anarchist society operate exactly?
damastertroll Says:
You are soooo lame. I can shut this blog down if they do it to me where I get pissed.
And now we are full circle–Olbermann called Hannity’s bluff, and we should be calling yours.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pmCare to test this theory?
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May 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pmSure. In the words of another nitwit “Bring It On”
Wow what have I missed today
May 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pmThe fallacy of the anarchist: They still have to organize in order to be effective, in which case they can not claim to be anarchists.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:54 pmOkay let’s see so it is black Irish doctor wandering the Outback pretending to be an anarchist sun god on acid. Is that about right?
May 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pmA pathetic work at home Spammer utilizing technology developed by others to hawk and pawn its Viagra/Enzyte/Rolex crap.
Go ahead you pathetic script-kiddie piece of trash. Bring it on. I chew you guys and your bot-nets and anonymizers up for snacks!
May 1st, 2009 at 4:07 pmOff topic BUT
I found a study of trolls. It’s from my alma mater, too. Check this out
So we’ve got a deluded, hysterical, bed-wetting, limp teenager that’s only going to get dumber. What to do?
May 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pmWiley points out troll tendencies
narcissism
erectile dysfunction
frequent enuresis
average IQ of this group was 83
average being 15.27 years of age
most likely very true…they do tend to sound like this description
But would add a perverse sense of pleasure at being ignorant morons
May 1st, 2009 at 4:43 pmOld Goat Says:
The fallacy of the anarchist: They still have to organize in order to be effective, in which case they can not claim to be anarchists.
… or else they get taken over by somebody who did organize. If established, anarchy would last for about a New York minute before people started banding together.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:28 pmFlagged for trolling.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:50 pmThanks for posting this. It’s interesting supportive evidence for the theory that these poor saps feel such overwhelming frustration with the inability to control aspects of their personal lives. They’re scared, they’re angry, they’re powerless, and that’s what leads them to trolling.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmRed Man tobacco spit and goat urine, baby! Bring it on! You know you coulda handled SERE training! Maybe not finishing your undergrad studies or serving, but, hey, you know Ollie North, dontcha?
C’Mon, Sean, be a MAN!!!!
May 1st, 2009 at 8:20 pmpussy!
May 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pmBJ #163,
What an ahole. I’m reading this thread and am slightly amused at your rantings and then you have the audacity to list names of people who died in 9/11.
I lived in NY and had friends that worked in the World Trade Center. I’d kick you ass if I had half the chance.
It looks like this thread is dead already. I guess I got to it late. But the sentiments there. Get lost, get a life and why not try walking down a street in NY spouting your bullshit. See how far you get ahole.
May 1st, 2009 at 10:14 pmsesli sohbet sesli chat
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 amDid anyone hear abut this one – $600 SNEAKERS worn by the Mean Mochellie Obami when she went to the homeless shelter pretending she is identifying with the poor. If Laura Bush had done this, the heifers on the VIEW would be gaggling their heads off and it would be on the lst page of NY Times, but all you Obami lemmings will come up with your idiotic excuse for these two nitwits in the WH. (Don’t forget the $20,000 swingset)
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmBaloney Says:
Did anyone hear abut this one – $600 SNEAKERS worn by the Mean Mochellie Obami when she went to the homeless shelter pretending she is identifying with the poor. If Laura Bush had done this…
She’s spent more than that on shoes and worn them to homeless shelters, routinely. Nobody said a word.
I can’t think of a First Family coming into office having less money in history. Can you? Name one.
May 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmHannity… he has ‘coward’ written all over his chiken face!
May 2nd, 2009 at 5:20 pmThe average time for waterboarding is 14 seconds. Good luck Hannity
May 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pmanyone who is for torture, needs to be waterboarded for 20 seconds believe me they will no longer believe in torture.I am a retired naval flight officer who completed SERE SCHOOL in may of 1975 These torture freaks will break in 10 seconds no problem My country must never torture again! This is not a tv show.It does not obtain reliable information AND IT IS ILLEGAL Otherwise we become the TERRORISTS!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:41 amI understand media hacks like Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter continue to deny and justify torture for personal profit. However, I do not understand how any Real American can support it. What do we call it if a human being (prisoner, enemy combatant, suspected terrorist, evil doer) dies during an enhanced interrogation (torture) in captivity at the hands of a United States citizen? Does that not constitute murder? Ann Coulter seems to think what we did to our prisoners is nothing more than you would do to an unruly child. Really, the pro-torture crowd considers this a justifiable homicide? Is their argument that humans can not experience pain and suffering if they are dead, and so “by definition” that could not be torture?
May 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pmWe really need to keep pressing this until Hannity gives a public answer.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:26 am