New Oil Lobbyist Group Targets Democratic Congressmen With Anti-Clean Energy Ads
New Oil Lobbyist Group Targets Democratic Congressmen With Anti-Clean Energy Ads
The largest U.S. energy companies increased lobbyist spending by 30% in 2008 to influence energy and climate change legislation. Some of those funds are now going towards the creation of the American Energy Alliance, a new off-shoot of Institute for Energy Research.
The American Energy Alliance is headed by an oil industry lobbyist named Thomas J. Pyle. Before joining AEA, Pyle was a policy adviser to former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX). Pyle’s former employer was among the top recipients of oil industry campaign contributions from 1998 to 2004, raking in $498,375 according to the Center for Public Integrity. Pyle then went to work for the oil-giant, Koch Industries.
The American Energy Alliance is airing radio ads in the home districts of moderate Democrats in order to press legislators to vote against the Waxman-Markey clean energy bill. Here’s a list of the Democrats being targeted by the ads:
– John Barrow (D-GA)
– G.K. Butterfield (D-NC)
– Mike Doyle (D-PA)
– Charlie Gonzalez (D-TX)
– Baron Hill (D-IN)
– Jim Matheson (D-UT)
– Charlie Melancon (D-LA)
– Tim Murphy (R-PA)
– Mike Ross (D-AR)
– Betty Sutton (D-OH)
The ad repeats the debunked $3,100 lie that energy companies and their conservative allies have been pushing for weeks. Listen to the AEA anti-clean energy ad:
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Public Opinion on Clean Energy is way to high, even if it’s going to cost the American people more they’re for it.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:10 pmright wing ideology depends on lies
May 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pmWell, I hope they fail. Especially if they’re trying to push the same lie. We need cleaner energy and green jobs.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:17 pm08Dariana Says:
…even if it’s going to cost the American people more they’re for it.
That’s because we were paying attention when both sides on the campaign were scaring us by explaining the link between dependence on foreign oil and having terrorists trying to kill us all the time. Are you pro-terrorist?
May 1st, 2009 at 8:19 pmWith Tom Delay’s name being mentioned, I KNOW this has to be crooked as hell. I want clean energy so my grandchildren can still live on this planet. Besides the Pugs LIED [again] telling the public that clean energy [cap and trade] would be an exhorbitant cost to us all. If that’s all they can do is LIE and or say NO, what good are they? NONE!
May 1st, 2009 at 8:20 pmThere is no moderate position on clean energy. You either are a polluting pig or not.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:27 pmThe name for lobbysm in the rest of the world is bribery.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:40 pmThe American Energy Alliance is headed by an oil industry lobbyist named Thomas J. Pyle.
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Thomas J. Pyle… heh… talk about an appropriate name…
May 1st, 2009 at 8:45 pmYeah! Clean energy really SUCKS!!!!! We MUST shut that crap down!!!!
/snark
My God in heaven – Repukes are IDIOTS.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:55 pmI cringe when the repukes use the “children and grandchildren” talking point. Like they give a rats butt about “our” families? So, this 1-trillion dollar war (and counting) was so great for those kids? But, but, we’re safer! NO! We’re not! We’re more hated now than ever jerk faces!
Now, they stand in the way of energy independence AND clean energy independence at that????? How can they sleep at night? How can they look THIER kids and grandkids in the eyes? IT BLOWS MY MIND how money can corrupt them so much.
I can only hope B.O. is really serious about change. I hope he has 8-years to do these things he wants to do. I wish he cold have more time like FDR.
May 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pmA sign of desperation is what this add is!
May 1st, 2009 at 9:14 pmAd: “…voting to bail out Wall Street rather than help out Main Street…”
You mean like defeating the mortgage cram-down provision? I believe all the Republicans were in on that.
May 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pm.
Too bad the G(no)P isn’t the Party of “NO” to pollution!
Geebers…
… (R)ushpublickin’s need to learn when it’s right to say “NO”!
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May 1st, 2009 at 10:28 pmSorry O.T. …
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/18usc23402340a2.htm
… O.K. Carry on.
May 1st, 2009 at 10:33 pmKochtopus!
May 1st, 2009 at 10:41 pmOn the bright side we are running out of oil. And the Mexican Canterell field is losing production, which Koch industries pipes.
May 1st, 2009 at 10:43 pmI can’t understand why some don’t see energy independence as a necessary strategic move in a world in which they feel insecure. Some on the right claim 9/11 as a wake-up call that we should look to our national security, yet forget the lessons of history. 9/11 cut our supply lines, the classic downfall of many mighty armies. Self-sufficiency is the most patriotic of positions, and we do not have enough fossil fuel to drill ourselves out of this crisis. Developing alternative sustainable energy source is the only course for those who love America.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:33 pmWay off topic, but important.
U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/politics/02gitmo.html?_r=1&hp
May 1st, 2009 at 11:34 pmI know I’m going to sound naive asking this, but I need to know. Exactly what is it that lobbyists do that make them so “powerful” (to use Sen Durbin’s word)? I mean, they have no legal or constitutional right to write legislation. That is the Constitutional province of the Congress. The groups and special interests that lobbyists represent (or claim to represent) have no vote. Sure, they can contribute money (which needs to be changed), but exactly what is it that they do that make them so powerful?
Are they blackmailing Members of Congress? Are they bribing them and threatening to expose their corruption? Are they pointing guns at the heads of their spouses or children? What would actually happen if every member of Congress told a special interest lobbyist to go stuff it?
Representatives and Senators are sent to Washington Constitutionally to represent the individual people in their districts and states, not the corporations or private groups. They should only be allowed to accept campaign financing from people who they would represent in Congress. (Raise the individual limits to help with this.) When you get right down to it, you and I have no right to donate money to help a candidate who will representing someone else. Would you want a multi-billionaire with specific wants of Congress to be able to financially influence every single federal election in the country, including yours?
We need to move away from the delusional concept that what’s best for Big Business is best for America. Big Business does not have America’s best interests at heart. They only have their own. Which is always why they need to be regulated far more than they are right now.
That’s just IMHO.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:47 pmOT but it involves a Blue Dog:
Ben Nelson Plans to Oppose Public Health Plan
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Friday that he will oppose legislation that would give people the option of a public health insurance plan. The move puts him on the opposite side of two-thirds of Americans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/ben-nelson-plans-to-oppos_n_194907.html
Corporacrats can and will mess up health reform.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:48 pmIt’s always the money. Can’t take it with them, but their kids can inherit it.
It’s sick and wrong, but there you have it.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:57 pmFunny that John Reilly from MIT “..made a bone head mistake” and actually found that cap and trade would cost more that 3100 dollars per household.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/04/22/earth-day-update-cap-and-trades-3900-per-family-per-year-price-tag/
Secondly, no one is against clean energy! It just cannot be imposed when the technology (wind turbines and solar energy) has not been perfected yet.
#6 dixie blood
Do you drive a combustion engine vehicle? Do you use gas and electricity to heat and cool your home. Do you ever drink bottled water or eat meat? I could go on and on…so please do every one a favor and quit with the B.S you “polluting pig”.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 amI guess RP2012 doesn’t use gas or electricity or eat meat.
F ucking hypocrite. Clean your own house before you criticize others.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 amRP2012 Says:
Funny that John Reilly from MIT “..made a bone head mistake” and actually found that cap and trade would cost more that 3100 dollars per household.
Actually he did no such thing. And if you were the least bit informed on the issue, you would have learned by now that Reilly has been trying to get the right wing (places like Heritage) to stop lying about what his report said.
Other than trying to pick a pointless fight over an issue about which you are woefully ignorant, what other purpose did your comment serve? Just asking.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 amWayne, I think the troll just needed something to wank off to.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 amWayne,
I dunno… What happens when you slide off the edge of a razor thin line one chooses to walk down?
http://www.truveo.com/ROBERT-F-KENNEDY-JR/id/1065395915
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May 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 amThanks for the link, Max. I’ll watch it later. I almost got to see RFK, Jr in person. He had just left the court house minutes before I arrived to fix their copier.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 amIm all for clean energy if it creates jobs and not takes away jobs.
Who isnt?
I dont know about this cap and trade policy stuff. A brand new bunch of wall street traders.
If I were King and Im not yet. I would make the USA 100% committed to getting off of oil. The whole country would use new energy and it would let us regain the world’s envy again.
We could have a whole economy based on creating an oil-free transportation infrastructure.
THATS what I thought Obama would do with the stimulus package. Not give jobs like 75million to repave 3 miles in San Francisco so it funnels back to Pelosi for getting the agreement or 25 billion to Diane Feinstein’s husband to sell foreclosed properties for the FDIC.
If we got serious, we could really do the energy plan and change the USA. I was like wtf when the stimulus package came out. WTF!
So excuse me if I am a bit turned off by both parties at this point
And before you jump on me, I have turned over a new leaf. No more shenanigans. I am staying on topic. We got off on the wrong foot so now I am just not going to respond to the namecalling and act appropriately
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 amsesli
sohbet sesli
chat
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 amAs a lung cancer survivor, I can’t really understand how anyone wouldn’t want clean(er) air. How many of us are killed each year by the crap we breath in?>
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“It just cannot be imposed when the technology (wind turbines and solar energy) has not been perfected yet. ”
And it will never get perfected if we just whine about it and allow big oil to dictate our policy, moron.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 amThere should be pro Waxman-Markey clean energy radio ads that follow AEA radio ads? How could it not be hard to target those GOP who are against this bill?
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 amDumb Question:
If the AEA agrees with me that it is hard to make ends meet, then how come the oil companies took a massive tax cut from the Bush admin (effectively raising everyone else’s taxes to cover the amount)??????
And how come the oil companies don’t feel ashamed that while taking this survival money (effectivelty a money handout from the Bush govt on a scale similar to the Bank bailout) they were making record profits ????
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 amWow, this is a tuff one. We have lost millions of jobs under the previous admin and still use dirty energy.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 amI hooked up an rss feed to my Spiffy-Dufus-Alertomatic, and it went off at precisely 12:20 AM.
Wife is pissed, it woke up the baby with it’s shrieking dufussiren.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 amNext time I’ll remember to turn off the feed before going to bed.
Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
I know I’m going to sound naive asking this, but I need to know. Exactly what is it that lobbyists do that make them so “powerful” (to use Sen Durbin’s word)? I mean, they have no legal or constitutional right to write legislation. That is the Constitutional province of the Congress. The groups and special interests that lobbyists represent (or claim to represent) have no vote. Sure, they can contribute money (which needs to be changed), but exactly what is it that they do that make them so powerful?
That’s what I’m wondering. Did nobody on Capitol Hill notice how grassroots money can dump mad quantities of cash towards Congressmen and Senators just for doing the right thing? Hell, if you ever glanced at dailykos during the election you could watch massive tsunamis of cash go to even the most minor candidates provided the race was close enough. It’s not like there’s a significant “banker” voting bloc.
I guess it’s just an example of dinosaurs refusing to adapt to the meteor strike of true 21st century politics. If we have to weed them out, then we have to weed them out. Let’s everybody save up a couple of hundred bucks extra and start throwing some microdonations around in the 2010 primaries, to teach ‘em a lesson.
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Zooey Says:
It’s always the money. Can’t take it with them, but their kids can inherit it.
Ah yes, one of the better “change the wording and change the debate” tactics they won on: the “death tax.” Waaaay scarier than the “estate tax.” But the fact is, it’s the estate/transfer being taxed, and not death itself. Eedjits.
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RP2012 Says:
Funny that John Reilly from MIT “..made a bone head mistake” and actually found that cap and trade would cost more that 3100 dollars per household.
You know what’s even funnier? That the post explaining exactly why you’re wrong is like three posts down the home page. You know that little game you used to play where you’d lie about what someone said, spread the lie around with cross-citations and then when they spoke up about what they really said, you’d claim they were lying and use each other as citations? Yeah, that’s over now.
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RP2012 Says:
Secondly, no one is against clean energy! It just cannot be imposed when the technology (wind turbines and solar energy) has not been perfected yet.
Dubya spent his whole 2 terms playing this game – “Wait until alternative technology is perfect. Don’t do anything. Keep waiting, someday the technology will be perfect.” There will never be a “perfected” alternative technology. There is no magic bullet. We’re going to have to start adopting a wide range of improving technologies if we’re ever going to get anywhere. To tell us to sit around and wait until everything’s perfected is a tactic designed to keep us dependent on the existing fossil feul industries.
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damastertroll Says:
Im all for clean energy if it creates jobs and not takes away jobs.
Who isnt?
No major change in any industry doesn’t take away some jobs. The problem is that worrying about that too much leads to extreme protectionism, which causes economic stagnation. You really have to look at how many jobs are on the other side of the balance sheet.
Frankly, this might take away less than any other industry change. In the long run, what we’re really going to want is a diversified energy policy. Keep a little fossil fuels around just in case. Along with everything else. From what we’ve seen over the past century, every possible technology has unintended consequences. Diversification is the only way to manage those – a little bit of everything, so if one of them becomes too problematic, we can dial it back somewhat.
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damastertroll Says:
I dont know about this cap and trade policy stuff. A brand new bunch of wall street traders.
Trading energy credits is pretty simple. Most countries find it pretty easy to manage. Now, if it became unregulated and brokers started creating derivatives and leveraged “bundles” out of energy credits, we might have a problem…
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damastertroll Says:
If I were King and Im not yet. I would make the USA 100% committed to getting off of oil. The whole country would use new energy and it would let us regain the world’s envy again.
Not only that, but if we take the lead on the technologies involved, then we can export those technologies to the emerging and other “dirty” countries like India and China. That means positive trade balance.
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damastertroll Says:
THATS what I thought Obama would do with the stimulus package.
Obama has a lot of campaign promises yet to fulfill. However, it seems he didn’t stuff everything he promised into the first big bill out of the gate. I’m hoping for an energy package later on that takes care of some of this stuff.
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damastertroll Says:
And before you jump on me, I have turned over a new leaf. No more shenanigans. I am staying on topic. We got off on the wrong foot so now I am just not going to respond to the namecalling and act appropriately
Alright. I’ll be glad to discuss these topics with you. It actually sounds like we have fewer points of disagreement than most. At least, on this issue. I look forward to properly crossing swords with you on others.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 amXisithrus Says:
damastertroll Says: Im all for clean energy if it creates jobs and not takes away jobs.
Who isnt?
Wow, this is a tuff one. We have lost millions of jobs under the previous admin and still use dirty energy.
Well jobs will be lost, they will be shifted as well.
One of my favorite movies is The Thin Red Line
You should watch it: Quote follows
This great evil. Where does it come from? How’d it steal into the world? What seed, what root did it grow from? Who’s doin’ this? Who’s killin’ us? Robbing us of life and light. Mockin’ us with the sight of what we might’ve known. Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too? Have you passed to this night?
Its about foot soldiers fighting in WW2 trying to make sense of their place as they await walking into Japanese machine guns
First Sgt. Edward Welsh: Everything a lie. Everything you hear, everything you see. So much to spew out. They just keep coming, one after another. You’re in a box. A moving box. They want you dead, or in their lie… There’s only one thing a man can do – find something that’s his, and make an island for himself. If I never meet you in this life, let me feel the lack; a glance from your eyes, and my life will be yours.
Colonel Gordon Tall: How many men is it worth? How many lives? One? Two? Twenty? Lives will be lost in your company, Captain. If you don’t have the stomach for it, now is the time to let me know.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 amColonel Gordon Tall: John, I’m convinced that the Japanese position can be broken right now. All we have to do is keep going and we’ll have this hill. We’ll have this hill by sundown! You see the spirit in these men? Do you see the new spirit? Well, I want to take advantage of that before something happens to sap their strength. To have this battalion relieved in a defeat, or even to have it reinforced by troops from a reserve regiment, if we were stalled before reaching the top, well, Jesus Christ, that’s just a hell of a lot more than I could stand! I’ve waited all my life for this. I’ve worked, slaved, eaten untold buckets of shit to have this opportunity and I don’t intend to give it up now.
Private Jack Bell: You see that hill?
Second Lieutenant Whyte: Yeah.
Colonel Gordon Tall: Look at this jungle. Look at those vines, the way they twine around, swallowing everything. Nature’s cruel, Staros.
Private Edward P. Train: [narrating] What is this great evil? How did it steal into the world? From what seed, what root did it spring? Who’s doing this? Who’s killing us? Robbing us of light and life. Mocking us with the sight of what we might have known.
Private Edward P. Train: [narrating] Oh, my soul, let me be in you now. Look out through my eyes, look out at the things you’ve made. All things shining.
Private Jack Bell: My dear wife, you get something twisted out of your insides by all this blood, filth, and noise. I want to stay changeless for you. I want to come back to you the man I was before.
Sergeant Storm: It makes no difference who you are, no matter how much training you got and the tougher guy you might be. When you’re at the wrong spot at the wrong time, you gonna get it.
Private Jack Bell: [Narrating] Why should I be afraid to die? I belong to you. If I go first, I’ll wait for you there, on the other side of the dark waters. Be with me now.
Private Witt: [narrating] War don’t ennoble men. It turns them into dogs… poisons the soul.
Pvt. Charlie Dale: Maybe they wanna get into eh… Nirvana.
Pvt. Charlie Dale: See them birds up there… they gonna eat you raw. You’re dyin’.
Pvt. Charlie Dale: What are you to me? Nothin’.
The thing about alternative energy is this…
In the 90’s, there was a big Internet investment bubble, and it popped. In the 00’s there was an even bigger investment bubble, and it popped too.
Let’s say you run a shoe company, and for some reason or other all the investors in the world decide that shoes are the “it” industry, and start driving up your share price. You can use the extra money to expand, and to market and advertise your shoes so that more people buy them and are willing to pay more for them. But eventually you hit a point of diminishing returns – for every $1 of revenue, it’s costing more and more $’s to add it. People only have so many feet. So the shoe industry becomes overvalued. There’s way too much investment money sloshing around the shoe company stock prices, and when people suddently notice how overvalued it is, a correction takes place. The stock prices drop to (or below) their proper value based on growth potential and revenue, and lots of people lose their retirement savings across the globe.
What’s needed is to find a growth industry. One that has lots of room for ground-floor startups, one that hasn’t already been built up. Something that has plenty of provable concepts but little implementation. An industry that has plenty of room to take on new investment, lots of room to grow.
Alternative energy has massive potential for this. There are a lot of them, based on a lot of different technologies. America sees a need for it. It’s just a question of setting common priorities as a society; this is something that government can do that private/competitive interests can’t. Is that socialist? Sure, somewhat. But it’s a socialist step that sets the platform for a lot of competitive/private industries to operate in and on.
It’s kind of like how the national highway system created a vast array of new industries that were able to leverage reliable transportation of goods across the country for new business models. No private industry would have created it, but many were able to use it to create things we couldn’t have imagined back then.
When it comes to energy, what we need first is a “national highway system” of energy interchange. Right now, electricity is transferred through overlapping power grids of often questionable resistance and/or reliability. Having the ability to shift power across the country with relatively low resistance (loss) would allow people to set up all kinds of different models of energy generation to feed into that grid, which could then go to any consumer anywhere. Obama mentioned exactly this in his campaign, although he didn’t go into just how awesome that can be. Hell, we could probably even make the major pipelines superconductive; if they were moving enough power, it might be worth it.
There’s a lot more to be said, but it’s late and I’ve typed enough for now.
May 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 amheehee….I love it when the left tries this kind of stuff:
The ad repeats the debunked $3,100 lie that energy companies and their conservative allies have been pushing for weeks.
Unfortunately for you who decide not to do your own homework…Obama himself has admitted an exhorbitant increase in energy costs as a result of “Cap and Trade”. You wanna know who else says so? How about Obama’s own Deputy Economic advisor?
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 amuntil we drain the swamp nothing much will change in wash.
but the easy way out is to vote for hope.
jefferson knew this over 200 years ago.
americans dont get it yet.
will take at least another decade for them to wake up
by that time a very small middle class
we will become a nation of have mores and have nots
take a trip to mexico to see the future of america.
third world status.
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 amJaredfromTexas Says:
heehee….I love it when the left tries this kind of stuff:
The ad repeats the debunked $3,100 lie that energy companies and their conservative allies have been pushing for weeks.
You know what’s even funnier? That the post explaining exactly why you’re wrong is like three posts down the home page. You know that little game you used to play where you’d lie about what someone said, spread the lie around with cross-citations and then when they spoke up about what they really said, you’d claim they were lying and use each other as citations? Yeah, that’s over now.
Also, the above is a quote from a comment I made earlier on this very page. Read, then post.
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JaredfromTexas Says:
Unfortunately for you who decide not to do your own homework…Obama himself has admitted an exhorbitant increase in energy costs as a result of “Cap and Trade”. You wanna know who else says so? How about Obama’s own Deputy Economic advisor?
Citation please?
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:41 amElBruce
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47387
Obama, in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle:
“When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal…under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket…even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I’m capping greenhouse gasses, coal power plants, natural gas…you name it…whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retro-fit their operations.”
Congressional Budget Office says the same thing…
The deputy director of the White House National Economic Council, Jason Furman says the same thing.
All you’d have to do is google it, my friend…
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 amNO conservative news service will NOT do as a reputable source. Try again
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 amJaredfromTexas Says:
ElBruce
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47387
Obama, in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle:
“When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal…
Can’t find your quoted text in your link. I traced it back (newsbusters, lol). Audio. Thanks for the link, btw. It’s a start…
First of all, that’s what he was saying in November 2, 2008. As us liberals know all too well, the Prez. Barack Obama of 2009 sure isn’t the Obama of 2008, much less 2007. He’s moved solidly towards the center on a number of issues.
Also, the audio on this fades in and out. What are we missing?
He also seems to be talking about a long-term thing, especially regarding “caps ratcheted down every year.” Picture a George Jetson future – naturally somebody who wants to start up a coal-fired plant in that economic environment should bankrupt themselves.
Hey, what would be the cost of fixing this? Who should pay for it if not the coal industry? You? Me? I don’t want them getting a free ride on my tax dollars.
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JaredfromTexas Says:
“…they would have to retro-fit their operations.”
Congressional Budget Office says the same thing…
The deputy director of the White House National Economic Council, Jason Furman says the same thing.
Well of course they’d have to retrofit their operations. Allow me be the first to present you with the Golden “Duh” award.
However, if you’ve got a specific CBO or Jason Furman quote you want me to look at, cite it. I’m not here to do your Googling homework for you.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 amPS: Drinking Diet Coke and Rebel Yell tonight, so don’t expect sweetness and light. :)
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 amElBruce,
Now you’re trying to spin…and it’s not working. Obama has not wavered on his cap and trade proposal…even from his interview back in 2008. Saying he’s gone toward the middle is true…but not in this instance.
If I get the orignal “golden duh award” then you surely get the second. Who do you think will ultimately pay for the retrofit, and correcting the oil industry’s mistakes? The oil companies? HA! You and me, my friend…it all comes back to you and me.
Take a peek at the other post and you’ll see the CBO and Furman quotes.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:38 amJaredfromTexas Says:
If I get the orignal “golden duh award” then you surely get the second. Who do you think will ultimately pay for the retrofit, and correcting the oil industry’s mistakes?
Well then, let’s now award jared the platinum “duh” award. The consumer ultimately pays for everythang! After all, companies don’t have magical money trees – they can only get money from you! And me! DUH!
A “retrofit” is a hell of a lot cheaper than forcing an industry to start all their processes over from scratch. Hell, I remember back when companies would beg, scream and plead Congress for the opportunity to merely “retrofit.” But then again, I’m old enough to remember Three Mile Island.
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 amElBruce,
Now you’re trying to spin…and it’s not working. Obama has not wavered on his cap and trade proposal…even from his interview back in 2008. Saying he’s gone toward the middle is true…but not in this instance.
= “I have no documentary evidence that he has shifted his position since then.”
Fair enough. But his position is/wasn’t so bad. You aren’t even looking at enery alternatives. Or did you assume we’d be on coal/oil forever as a basis of everything else we’ll ever do…?
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 amThe oil industry won’t be happy until they’ve turned our soil black, our air black, and all the trees are sticks without leaves. Basically they applaud destruction and hate cleanliness, breathing, and peace!
May 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 amJaredfromTexas,
It’s the actual dollar figure of $3100 (or $3900) that we dispute, not the fact that costs may go up. The right wing keeps throwing that figure out and quoting John Reilly’s work as their “proof”. Reilly himself has been trying to get them to stop saying that because it isn’t correct.
Have you been reading anything about Reilly’s efforts to correct the right wing? Or are you relying on Brent Bozell’s extremely biased opinions masquerading as news coverage for your facts?
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 amThere must be one heck of a lot of money in the failed status quo when these people are willing to spends millions to maintain it.
Wonder what might be accomplished if they spent their time, money and energy on trying to fix things?
Oh yeah, their cash cow would dry up. Never mind.
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:27 am#
KayInMaine Says:
The oil industry won’t be happy until they’ve turned our soil black, our air black, and all the trees are sticks without leaves. Basically they applaud destruction and hate cleanliness, breathing, and peace!
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May 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 am/
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back in days when I was trolling here before I turned over a new leaf. This post would be something I’d make up to be outrageous.
I hope she was only joking like I was. To be such a simpleton with nothing to add at all, itd be sad she’s just that stupid as she turns on her computer and has the tv blaring and all the lights on in her house.
Its not quite the platinum DUH award, its the bronze covered “derr I am part of the problem and dont realize it” award
ElBruce Says:
PS: Drinking Diet Coke and Rebel Yell tonight, so don’t expect sweetness and light. :)
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hahaha! How you feeling this morning? Bet you are wondering why you paid good money to feel like you do!
I had to google Rebel Yell, apparently its a David Bowie song
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 amdamastertroll,
Well, if that’s how you feel about us, why don’t you help save the environment and turn off your computer?
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amI had to google Rebel Yell, apparently its a David Bowie song
Or Billy Idol.
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amI had to google Rebel Yell, apparently its a David Bowie song
You’re confusing “Rebel, Rebel” (by David Bowie) with “Rebel Yell” (by Billy Idol)
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 amCheck out this informative piece from NPR
Visualizing The Grid
The U.S. electric grid is a complex network of independently owned and operated power plants and transmission lines
Go to sources of power then click on your state to see breakdown of hydro, coal, gas, nuclear ( or as Bush says Nu-cu-lar ), biomass, wind, oil.
Then make your own conclusions on who and which states the sordid American Energy Alliance are targeting.
BTW WA State rules as 2nd cleanest with 71% of electric power generated from hydro (Idaho is 79% hydro ) because w ehave the mighty Columbia River
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 amwhoops forgot to post the NPR link
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 amhttp://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2009/apr/electric-grid/
Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
Well, if that’s how you feel about us, why don’t you help save the environment and turn off your computer?
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Actually I can guarantee my carbon footprint is much smaller than yours. I walk my bicycle to work, when I get lazy or the shits, I hop on it and ride the rest of the way. I dont own a car, I rent one when I go on vacation. I dont have a tv and dont use lights, have a dishwasher or washer and dryer.
Its not b/c I am lacking money. Its b/c its unneccessary for me. Plus it keeps me quite slim. Id be 400 pounds given what I eat if I didnt walk/bicycle everywhere and thats why I left the rat race specifically so I could walk to work rather than sit in traffic.
So yeah, Im no Al Gore flying around the world in private jets with a mansion that uses more energy in a year than I will in a lifetime. I walk the walk to work literally.
Given that I dont waste or use energy save for a laptop. I have the right to laugh at people who think that the energy companies wont stop til they turn everything black. I dont live in Maine and rarely turn my heat on during the winter. All the more reason to call her out on her post
As far as your concerned Mr Wasteful Gore Jr. I have a question for you!
What difference do you think you can make, one man in all this madness?
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Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
I had to google Rebel Yell, apparently its a David Bowie song
You’re confusing “Rebel, Rebel” (by David Bowie) with “Rebel Yell” (by Billy Idol
I am going to start posting a “J” in quotations after my jokes so you can get them and not have to reply thinking you are correcting me “J”
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 ambalck Irish doctor dropping acid and confusing the sun with god while bicylce touring the Outback hand washing the dishes in dirty clothes. What a poser…
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 amWhat normal human could confuse Bowie with Billy Idol. Damn it is getting pitiful…
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 amdamastertroll,
Not that this will make any difference to you in the least but, for the record, I don’t believe you.
Goodbye.
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 amsomething I’d make up to be outrageous.
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am—
Why would you wish to intentionally make things up? Are you a child? Are you desperate for attention? Please explain…
I wonder if ths idiot goes to redstate.com and rants how great Obama is?
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actually, I dont care if you guys believe me. But I dont drive b/c I cannot see very well. The same reason I dont watch tv. Not b/c of some great green ideology indoctrination. It just gives me a headache squinting and I dont turn it on even when I had it so I cancelled the cable bill. I just have high speed internet b/c I can only see about 3 feet in front of my face.
And dont even say I need glasses, they just piss me off.
So on the 11,12 and 13th I am scheduled for Lasik surgery woohooo!
I will be able to see again and be just as big of polluters as you guys cuz I’m already planning on getting my 25 incher out of storage to watch the food network again. Then I’ll also pass my eye exam at the DMV.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pmHello World, Here I come (trailing a bunch of carbon like the rest of you tards have been doing)
rightwing-leftwing Says:
I wonder if ths idiot goes to redstate.com and rants how great Obama is?
No but I will lol
Ill link to the disaster that ensues
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pmIll link to the disaster that ensues
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May 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pmIs this an acknowledgement of a simple unsuccesful bs attempt at disruption? That is your thing right? Damn you aren’t even good at that you just come off as a kid looking for negative attention. Does it suck to be so lame?
I cannot see very well.
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm–
Must be hard to be a black Irish doctor cycling the Outback on acid with just bad vision. Try the peyote maybe it will help with the vision thing. Just give it up lame ass you can’t even keep up with your own stupid shit…
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The ad repeats the debunked $3,100 lie that energy companies and their conservative allies have been pushing for weeks.
You’re referring to MIT professor John Reilly’s debunking of the $3100 per year claim? Have you read what he said lately? He dubunked his earlier debunk. Himself. He now says his estimate of $215 per household was wrong. Even the $3100 per household was wrong. Now, Reilly says the cost is more like $3900 per family per year.
Read it for yourself in Reilly’s words, not mine.
This is where YOU get your “It’s been debunked” claim. But now, Reilly himself admits “Oops.”
Will you now issue a retraction to correct your blog entry? $3900 a year is a lot for some families to come up with for a cap and trade scheme that hasn’t worked in Europe, and will send even more jobs to China and India who have said under no circumstances will they participate in such a scheme.
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I THANK…
And we’ll thank you to stop posting this same message over and over and over and over again. Is there some legitimate purpose to your doing this? Why are you posting multiple links to the same website? Please stop doing that, or else go away and do it somewhere else. May I suggest FreeRepublic?
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
And we’ll thank you to stop posting this same message over and over and over and over again. Is there some legitimate purpose to your doing this?
It’s an automated script, posts a pregenerated comment to every page once a day. I keep flagging, but TP mods (if there are any) don’t seem to notice. Funny thing, all the links go to a website in some other language anyways.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmThe Privacy Center sucks ass…
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 pmFunny thing, all the links go to a website in some other language anyways.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm—
Atleast it could go to some quality porn or something slightly interesting…
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dbadass Says:
Atleast it could go to some quality porn or something slightly interesting…
I know. I wouldn’t know how to do anything there if I wanted to. I didn’t realize anybody in the world was still paying for pageviews. This sort of thing is why everybody else stopped.
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May 2nd, 2009 at 5:28 pmElBruce says
Well then, let’s now award jared the platinum “duh” award. The consumer ultimately pays for everythang! After all, companies don’t have magical money trees – they can only get money from you! And me! DUH!
uh…you just rephrased what I wrote. Congratulations…you do know how to read!
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:38 pmElBruce says
= “I have no documentary evidence that he has shifted his position since then.”
Because there is no evidence that he’s shifted positions on cap and trade. meaning, he’s stayed pretty consistent on this one campaign pledge at least…
Fair enough. But his position is/wasn’t so bad. You aren’t even looking at enery alternatives. Or did you assume we’d be on coal/oil forever as a basis of everything else we’ll ever do…?
Hmmm…I’d like you to take a second and realize what you just did…suppose that I’m not all for alternative energies…I am…but I don’t think taxing the crap outta the energy sources that 99.9% of Americans use is the answer.
You’re just repeating the Dem mantra: “tax everyone…tax the crap out of ‘em…and we’ll worry about the effects later”
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 pmHere we go with the TAXES again! You stupid neocon Rethuglicans just seem to forget how much your damn WARS cost! 7-years of WAR have and will increased your damn TAXES, smaller JaredfromTexas. Thanks your stupid neocon Bushies for that one. Read this for your proof before you respond with more lies:
History of TAXES
May 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 pmRightwing-leftwing says
Here we go with the TAXES again! You stupid neocon Rethuglicans just seem to forget how much your damn WARS cost! 7-years of WAR have and will increased your damn TAXES
and yet another democratic debate tactic comes to rear its head…unfortunately for you, Right/Left…it wasn’t just the “bushies” who authorized the wars…and it damn sure wasn’t just the “bushies” who voted to continue funding the wars.
You’re boring…how ’bout stop spouting left-wing soundbites to make your argument and come up with something original?
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 pmrightwing-leftwing
this sissy doesnt pay taxes so he doesnt care!
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 pmHe is a zit infested 17 year old community college kid who knows all the answers except how to pay his own bills, wash his own laundry and why he has two mommies
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rightwing-leftwing
this sissy doesnt pay taxes so he doesnt care!
He is a zit infested 17 year old community college kid who knows all the answers except how to pay his own bills, wash his own laundry and why he has two mommies
Talking in the third-person again?…(if you don’t know what that means…ask your community college “professor”).
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RP2012 Says:
Funny that John Reilly from MIT “..made a bone head mistake” and actually found that cap and trade would cost more that 3100 dollars per household.
Actually he did no such thing. And if you were the least bit informed on the issue, you would have learned by now that Reilly has been trying to get the right wing (places like Heritage) to stop lying about what his report said.
Other than trying to pick a pointless fight over an issue about which you are woefully ignorant, what other purpose did your comment serve? Just asking.”
Yes if I were the least bit informed I’d know that when the government taxes me they will give it back to me in efficient programs that I use……. and that makes it logical to state an amount of a tax increase much less than it is….. Americans are truly stupid.
RP2012 Says:
Funny that John Reilly from MIT “..made a bone head mistake” and actually found that cap and trade would cost more that 3100 dollars per household.
You know what’s even funnier? That the post explaining exactly why you’re wrong is like three posts down the home page. You know that little game you used to play where you’d lie about what someone said, spread the lie around with cross-citations and then when they spoke up about what they really said, you’d claim they were lying and use each other as citations? Yeah, that’s over now.
I’d like to see where that post explained why I’m wrong.
Cap and trade is one of the most ridiculous ideas ever proposed by this brain dead government.
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