Baucus: Public health care plan may not pass without budget reconciliation.
Baucus: Public health care plan may not pass without budget reconciliation.
A sticking point in talks on health care is President Obama’s “public plan,” which will bring down health care costs and dramatically expand coverage. Republicans already oppose the plan, fearmongering about “socialism” and government bureaucracy. Today, CAPAF hosted a conference call announcing the creation of Doctors for America, a group of 11,000 physicians pushing for health care reform this year. On the call, Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) acknowledged that the public plan “is one of the two or three 800-pound gorillas” in Congress, adding that the public option is unlikely to pass Congress unless Democrats pass health care with a simple majority via budget reconciliation:
BAUCUS: We’ll probably spend some time looking at a couple three different public option alternatives to see how well it can be leveled out, the playing field actually be leveled. Because otherwise, this could be difficult to pass the Senate. It may pass the House. It may pass the Senate too — there’s a procedure called reconciliation. But that’s — we have to think that through a lot.
Listen here:
“It’s on the table, but it’s a little over on the side of the table right now,” Baucus said of the public option, adding that “it’s going to come up tomorrow when we have our roundtable discussions.” In an interview with the Wonk Room in March, Baucus said, “I think we can accomplish” health care reform “without” a public plan.
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Today, CAP hosted a conference call announcing the creation of Doctors for America, a group of 11,000 physicians pushing for health care reform this year.
Why do the Publicans hate doctors, and their patients?
Answer on back cover…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pmBudget reconciliation isn’t necessary if (a) all the Dem senators, including newly-Dem Sen. Specter, vote to invoke cloture, and (b) Sen.-elect Franken (D-MN) is finally seated. Fillibuster-proof majorities are quite useful things sometimes…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmRepublicans already oppose the plan, fearmongering about “socialism” and government bureaucracy.
And they would be lying. The truth is that the Republicans oppose this because there won’t be as much money to be made in the health care industry. That’s all it is.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pmThen do it… and rub the rightwingers’ noses in it!
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmI hate those people. They are just rotten brutal folk.
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmBaucus said, “I think we can accomplish” health care reform “without” a public plan.
only if you give up YOUR public plan, max…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmIn other words, the Blue team has too many Corporcrats…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pm*
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now, on ed…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmHey Little Green fascists has open registration. I say let us go there and create chaos!
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmPeople had better go to the streets. That’s the only way to convince the Neo-Confederate and Corporate eunuchs and concubines and the undecided namby-pamby Blue Dogs that Universal Healthcare –including a public option–is what most Americans want and need!
Remember how those focks ran for their stinking useless animal lives as smoke rose from the Pentagon? They are a cowardly bunch who shouldn’t be difficult to convince with a little effort. And I’m not talking any limp-wristed teabagging either. You organize and mass mobilize and get out there and demand and get your rights!
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pmyou can always put it on your credit card and have the credit card companies tailor a payment plan to your needs …
May 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pmneoparasite you can always stop begging us to pity you and STFU. We already know how stupid and pathetic you are.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:41 pmDidn’t the Republicans always use budget reconciliation? The fact that Baucus is trying to imply that it’s somehow a less desirable way of doing it is total b.s. I’m with everyone else, this is a matter of health insurance money and i’m sure big pharma. Even worse is the media’s almost complete ignoring of a single payer option, which is what most Americans want!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pmShouldn’t We the People, the employers of Baccus, Nelson and the rest of Congress, be entitled to health care rights, if not before them, with them?
We pay them to work for US not against US and should be giving ourselves health care before we buy if for them.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pmA NYT editorial spoke to Blue defections on mortgage cram down in bankruptcy. It’s the usual suspects.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/04/opinion/04mon2.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
May 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pmYeah, reconciliation is needed for something like this, especially since a few Democrats are agnostic about public health care.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pmIf the GNOP and mod. dems do not want US to have single payer health care for reasons of socialism, cost and they would let their contributors down, then how can they justify gov. run health care for their self?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pmBaucus- I’ve got an even better idea, you fukwads in congress drop YOUR PAID FOR HEALTHCARE by US CITIZENS and you pay the Blood-sucking Insurance Companies out of your check and then get back to us about it.
Fcuk the Politicians who deny healthcare to Americans
May 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pmThe heck with the Repuks.Use reconciliation and pass health care. I’m sick of these corporate whores screwing America.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThe President and/or Democratic Party need to do whatever is necessary to pass legislation on health care. Burn rubber on the Rethuglicans and any Psuedo-Dems that are voting against a public health care plan and any health care reform that’s going to help Americans.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:47 pmI would love to see those who will vote against health care legislation stripped of all of their health insurances! Let them find their own insurance and pay out of pocket!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:49 pmDid anyone see the S&P today? It’s in the plus again. The markets have been steadily gaining.
So obviously it’s time to work against the President, to curtail this success before someone makes the mistake of associating it with the President’s policies.
Tell Baucus to get a job.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pmthe “markets” gain doesnt do shit for poor and middle class people. waynebro the wall street humper.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:02 pmThe DOW is up to 8426 but still a ways from its high of 14k
May 4th, 2009 at 8:06 pmIf the public option, thru the reconsiliation procees, is not included we won’t end up with spit in the end. Reconsiliation could and will solve many bottlenecks and obstacles if Obama thinks about 2010 in stead of 2012 and beyond. Make the status quo defend these abismal numbers sooner rather than later.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:26 pmLOL, believe me, if its for the good of the “sheeple”, it will never happen.
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May 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pmOnline Privacy when it COunts
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) told a group of government-run health care supporters on April 18 that the goal was to destroy the private health care insurance industry, NOT simply offer a single-payer government system as an option.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:09 pmThe truth is that government run health care will be a DISASTER for our country.
Of course, those who are blind now will never see it coming…
May 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pmto destroy the private health care insurance industry
It should be destroyed. Since it operates on a profit-motive basis, it only adds to health care costs.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:14 pmGovernment run health care doesn’t actually reduce costs, but rather introduces SHORTAGES and LIMITATIONS on the types of care you can receive!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:15 pmWayne!
Thank you. You have unwittingly provided a perfect example of why people are so short-sighted when it comes to health care or any other for-profit enterprise!
Profits are GOOD and NECESSARY! Profits aren’t the problem at all. There are many things that drive up costs – government meddling chief among them by the way.
The real issue is WHO gets to decide what types of health care there will be! Do you think the government can do a BETTER job than you in deciding what’s best for you or your family?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:20 pmFolks, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to repeal the laws of economics. They are really no different than the laws that govern the physical universe, like gravity for exampple. Many people over the years have foolishly thought they could defy gravity and look where that got them!
It’s no different with economics, specifically the economics of health care. What our President and those of his mindset are about to attempt is a TAKEOVER of 17% of our nations economy! This is a VERY bad thing on so many levels I don’t even know where to begin…
May 4th, 2009 at 10:24 pmAnd, Tim, let me save us both some time and trouble, because I have other things to do on the internets tonight, and I don’t have time to have a full, respectful discussion with you tonight. So let me just say this, and then I’ll leave.
I do not believe in Free Market Capitalism. I think it is destructive to a society, and it is undemocratic. The theories of Capitalism may be completely amoral (in the sense of not being good or bad), but it is often operated by very immoral people. Capitalism’s primary goal is to create as much financial inequality as possible, preferably with the capitalist being the one who gets the most money. If there are no rules in place, the most profitable way to make money is to defraud people. If you want people to operate their businesses honestly, you have to regulate them.
But precisely because profit for oneself is the primary motivation of Capitalism, and not the benefit of the Common Good, I believe that health care should not be a for-profit industry. We are talking about people’s lives, not some commodity that can be bought and sold on the free market. To believe that one should be able to profit off the sick and dying is not a stance I would want to defend.
I’ll catch up with you another time, Tim. Good night.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:25 pmWayne,
Ah, I see. I look forward to it.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:26 pmTim Vaculik,
May 4th, 2009 at 11:47 pmMy experience with health care this year sounds a lot worse than the Canadian one. The monthly costs and deductibles keep going up, waiting for or delaying tests and procedures is getting to be routine. The insurance company we deal with has been showing nice profits yearly. My income and my health are secondary to my insurance company’s profits, period. Secondly, I am already subsidizing a whole group of people who have no insurance.
I firmly believe that the free market system has made medicine very expensive and an aberration of what the medical profession should be. Just ask any doctor what it’s like practicing medicine under the direction of the insurance companies.
The TRUTH is Timmeh you are too stupid to have any idea what you are talking about. You do what you always do. Repeat what Rush TOLD you to think as if by saying it then it is magically true. You are stupid Timmeh. No one in their right mind takes your ignorant baseless assertions for anything except what they are the rantings of a fool and the repitition of your Limborg hivemind assignment. My GOD it must suck to be as stupid and pitiful as you are.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:31 amTim Vaculik Says:
Folks, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to repeal the laws of economics. They are really no different than the laws that govern the physical universe, like gravity for exampple. Many people over the years have foolishly thought they could defy gravity and look where that got them!
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Timmeh I always knew you were astonishingly stupid but this may well be the most ignorant thing ever written in the English language. Free market economics are NOT laws of physics. They were NOT given us by GOD. They are man made constructs. Like a bridge or rules of grammer. They can be changed and HAVE been changed many times over the last couple of centuries. The FACTS which I know you to be allergic to are simple. Every industrial country in the WORLD has a national healthcare system. WE pay the MOST per capita and as a percentage of our GDP for OUR healthcare and rank 37th on the comparative quality list. So we are paying the MOST and getting mediocre care at BEST. You can keep stamping your feet ignoring reality and pretending that if you keep SAYING how bad a national healthcare system would be no one is going to notice that you have NO ARGUMENT, no facts no logic, noting but BECAUSE I TIMMEH SAY SO. Where IS your argument? I dont see it. Just you saying over and over its bad because I say so. Excuse me if us people that you know, KNOW THINGS, dont take your word as the final say in the matter. Keep pretending it is all magical and you just have to repeat yourself BELIEVE Tinkerbell will live and it will become TRUE? This is planet EARTH, unlike Planet WINGNUT, this is the reality based universe and your repitition of your OPINION does not make it a fact and wishing wont make it so.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:39 amsatyam, take a look at this:
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do these people look familiar?
May 5th, 2009 at 1:06 amAll I want is the same health care plan that our Congessmen and Senators have, provided by the United States of America.
Republican Senators claim that government provided health care is for communists but you never hear them complain about their own government provided health care.
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