Joe the Plumber: I would never let gay people ‘anywhere near my children.’
Joe the Plumber: I would never let gay people ‘anywhere near my children.’
In an interview with Christianity Today, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher said that calling gay people “queer” “is not like a slur” because homosexuality is “strange and unusual.” He also declared that he would never let his gay “friends” “anywhere near my children:”
Q: In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?
JTP: At a state level, it’s up to them. I don’t want it to be a federal thing. I personally still think it’s wrong. People don’t understand the dictionary—it’s called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It’s not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we’re supposed to do—what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we’re supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they’re people, and they’re going to do their thing.
When asked if he had planned to run for public office, Wurzelbacher said he didn’t have any “right now.” “God hasn’t said, ‘Joe, I want you to run.’ I feel more important to just encourage people to get involved, one way or another. If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great. I don’t know if I want to be a leader,” he said.
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I think he should run, after all he does seem to represent the FACE of the conservative party.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI’d feel comfortable taking my children to a Gay Pride Parade in San Francisco, but wouldn’t have Joe the Lying Non-Plumber anywhere near my children.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWith Joe the Plumber out front, the GOP can plan on being a fringe group for a long time. So much for their “big tent.”
May 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pmJoe has gay friends?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pmHow ’strange and unusual’ could that be?
So if one of his children turned out to be gay, would he keep his other children apart?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI really wish people would ignore this ignoramus. He is nothing more than a distraction from important issues.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pmDid Joe just condemn is own children to “gayness”, OMG, the way Republican karma is going, isn’t just about inevitable?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pmNo, Joe. The last thing I would call you is a “leader”. More like a follower of bottom feeder.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pmCalling Samuel Wurzelbacher a “lying”, “moronic syncophant” “is not like a slur” because willful and untruthful stupidity is “foul and unjust”.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pmJTP has no friends.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pmBy his own definition, Joe is “queer”.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm…and this is suprising how? I am incapable of being suprised by these people any longer.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pmor bottom feeder.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pmSickening. Being gay automatically means that you’re harmful to children? I would certainly let my children near them, but I wouldn’t even consider letting them shake the hand of this stunning ignoramus. It’s also pretty astounding that they won’t consider running unless “God” commands them to. Welcome to the fringe – all that’s left of the GOP.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pmI wouldn’t let any children near “Joe” as he is seriously strange and unusual. I wouldn’t want them to catch teh stupid.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pmceltic cynic Says:
Joe has gay friends?
How ’strange and unusual’ could that be?
That was my first thought also. If does have gay friends, I truly doubt they will be friends much longer.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI’m sorry that not all of us live our lives according to the commands of your absurd deity, Joe. If these morons had it their way, America would become fully Christian by tomorrow. Oppose them wherever they stand.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:29 pmMikala Says:
I really wish people would ignore this ignoramus. He is nothing more than a distraction from important issues.
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I completely disagree! I hope he speaks out loudly and often. I can’t wait to hear what he says next about the Hispanics or the Muslims, or women who have had abortions. The more he talks the more votes the democratic party can count on. And I hope he invokes the name of God in every speech as well. The republican party can be the party of old, white, prejudiced, Christian males. And the Democratic party can be the party of – everyone else.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm“God hasn’t said, ‘Joe, I want you to run.’”
……….. yet.
You watch! This buffoon is going to run for Congress. I’m tellin’ ya, this is all the Republicans have left: people like Wurzelbacher, Jindal and Palin, lurching toward permanent irrelevance.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pmdick cheney should set him straight from the dungeon.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm“Joe the Plumber: I would never let gay people ‘anywhere near my children.’”
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm======
I wouldn’t let anyone like you “Joe the dumb Plumber” or any roguish republicans near my children, you all are HAZMAT.
“People don’t understand the dictionary” JTP
WTF?!?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pmTheres’Ant Says: “JTP has no friends.”
Like Deputy Dan?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pmJTP – “I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they’re people, and they’re going to do their thing.”
But, Joe, it’s not like “they’re going to do their thing” right in front of your children. If they were actually your friends, then you would know them well enough to feel safe around them yourself, or they wouldn’t really be your friends, would they? Why do feel your children would be in danger? And do you have other friends that you wouldn’t have anywhere near your children?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pmJoe: People don’t understand the dictionary
– - In my country, we call this an absolute, complete, overwhelming, comprehensive, thorough, sweeping, universal, total, global and panoramic lack of intelligence.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pmOH MY GOD–Joe the toilet bowl cleaner has spawned offspring! Social Services should become advised at once. We have a major catastrophe brewing.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm“In an interview with Christianity Today, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher said…”
In an interview with Irrelevancy Today, Joe “the irrelevant” Wurzelbacher said…something irrelevant.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pmJoe: People don’t understand the dictionary
– - Say Joe, why don’t you look up the definition of Santorum.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pmAnother republican that hears gawd talking.
It’s mass psychosis.
joe drano whirly-gig – frozen moose-head 2012 .
May 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pmWhen you talk to god, that’s called prayer.
When god talks to you, that’s called schizophrenia.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pmIt’s terrible to see this kind of intolerance, and we all need to remember that we belong to each other. This lesson applies to everyone, even on a macro and governmental level. The U.S. should do more to help the poor abroad fro strategic and humanitarian purposes. The Borgen Project has good info on the estimated cost of ending global poverty:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pmI wonder if God’s plan for Joe’s family included him getting a divorce? Um, Joe? That’s a big no-no.
I’d rather have my child’s continued association with my gay friends than with a bunch of skinhead racist Republicans.
I still say there’s a swastika tatooed on that body somewhere…
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pmI don’t think Joe is smart enough or industrious enough to pick the dog sh#t up in my yard. Besides, he isn’t the kind of guy you’d want hanging out in your neighborhood.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pmSam is right. It is a perverted sin that must be cured. Should we allow man to marry beast, too? How about allowing man to marry numerous wives? NO! This is not Jesus’ will. Libs, read the bible.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmDoes Joe the Plumber have children? Gross thought of him reproducing.
What he and others like him do not know is the fact their children are around gay folks and do not know it. Gay folks are the same as everyone else … their preference is difference but then again what 2 people have the exact same dislikes and likes?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmdavidwaters
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm–Can I get an answer on that Dutch Harbor thing or not? Not one cent till old Borgen explains that crap…
What an enlightened point of view from Joe the dumber! He’s probably afraid his kids will catch “the gay”.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm#
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
I don’t think Joe is smart enough or industrious enough to pick the dog sh#t up in my yard. Besides, he isn’t the kind of guy you’d want hanging out in your neighborhood.
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And homosexuals should be allowed to confuse children? Where are your morals.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pmI thought lots of dudes in the bible had multiple wives? Besides the Bible isn’t running the show around here…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pmWhy these people are so curious about what other people do with their sex organs in the privacy of their own homes is beyond me…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI guess JTP is planning to move to Saudi Arabia, then.
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had enough Says:
Does Joe the Plumber have children? Gross thought of him reproducing.
What he and others like him do not know is the fact their children are around gay folks and do not know it. Gay folks are the same as everyone else … their preference is difference but then again what 2 people have the exact same dislikes and likes?
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They are human-beings. But there is a difference between them and people like Sam and myself. They are blatant sinners, we are not.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pmOf all the things McCain has done over the years, the most unforgivable is giving this dooshbag and Palin a national stage.
John, you owe us all an apology. I’m waiting.
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pmHey Joe, GOD called me and said to tell you that he doesn’t want YOU around anyone!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pmRobertSeattle Says:
Why these people are so curious about what other people do with their sex organs in the privacy of their own homes is beyond me…
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I have no problem with it, because they will have to answer to God, during the White Throne of Judgement. Hell is real and the flames are very hot. Do you want to spend eternity in hell? I think not.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pmWeird. The only time I’m afraid of gays is when they’re mad at me.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pmlooktothehills Says:
Libs, read the bible.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Done. Now, YOU read it.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmIs this the same God, Joe, who commanded Abraham to slaughter his son, Isaac?
And you think gay people are more of a threat to your children?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmHi Daryll. My daughter has had gay music teachers almost her entire life. No problem whatsoever. I didn’t stop letting her go to church with best friend to church. Those evangelicals are just plain evil.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmlooktothehills Says:
Sam is right. It is a perverted sin that must be cured. Should we allow man to marry beast, too? How about allowing man to marry numerous wives? NO! This is not Jesus’ will. Libs, read the bible.
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Sweet! We get to make our laws based on the bible now? Great! I definitely want one of those Biblical marriages like David had with a ton of wives and concubines! And now I know why so many republicans are child molesters – It says in the Bible that Lot slept with his daughter. Great, now that you are saying it is OK to make our laws based on the Bible we can be just like those other theocratic nations – Iran and Saudi Arabia.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm@42: Poe
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmliberalinaredstate Says:
Hey Joe, GOD called me and said to tell you that he doesn’t want YOU around anyone!
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Did you test the validity of your spiritual prophecy with two or more prophets?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmuh oh…..”Joe” is starting to hear voices
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
What Joe is saying is that all Gay people are potentially child molesters, and all straight people are not.
Joe the plumber just proves more and more why he’s not only not a licensed qualified plumber, but not a qualified anything.
He’s just a two bit unemployed uneducated bum with a big mouth and no brain behind it.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmOh and Daryll, I suspect that if you get confused when you see gay people that’s an issue with your sexuality not theirs.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pmLooktothehills does a funnier troll parody than neoparody.
Wait, ltth is serious?!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:43 pmI want in on making all shellfish related laws. I have expertise in this area…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:43 pmlooktothehills = Daryll
Surprise!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmsniff sniff? Is that Daryll aka RaptureReady with a new moniker?
Looktothehills, he’s waiting for the RaptureMobile!
Daryll, can I please have your car keys before you get beamed up?
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
looktothehills Says:
And homosexuals should be allowed to confuse children? Where are your morals.
Hi Daryll. My daughter has had gay music teachers almost her entire life. No problem whatsoever. I didn’t stop letting her go to church with best friend to church. Those evangelicals are just plain evil.
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I hoping and praying that her best friend will go to the alter, during the next alter call. She needs to be spiritually healed. Also, doesn’t your daughter understand the homosexuals cannot procreate?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmZooey, GMTA!
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmWait, ltth is serious?!
i’m skeptical. I call “Poe”
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmEveryone knows coodies are very contagious.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pmDaryll, you need a new gig. The “hell is real” thing is so yesterday.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pmThis is thier voice? Look to the hillbillies.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pmlooktothehills Says:
Did you test the validity of your spiritual prophecy with two or more prophets?
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Yep! My friend Jack Daniels from Tennessee, and my friend Jim Beam from Kentucky.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pmWhat a jackass. I know many gay people who spend a lot of their time trying to help kids that ???normal??? people have screwed up. I hope this tool keeps opening his stupid mouth like this – ought to help keep the repukes out of control for 20 or 30 years.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pmBTW, prove hell is real, Daryll.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Oh and Daryll, I suspect that if you get confused when you see gay people that’s an issue with your sexuality not theirs.
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Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion. Man and woman’s organs are built like a puzzle. They are made each other. Remember Adam’s rib?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm14 year old girls tend not to procreate around here, we don’t live in Sarah Palin’s neighborhood.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pmAlso, doesn’t your daughter understand the homosexuals cannot procreate?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pm—
Do you understand that sexual behavior in social animals is about more than procreation?
looktothehills
The bible never recorded a single word Jesus said about homosexuality. My GOD you are ignorant.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pmRemember Adam’s rib?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm–
I do and it still makes no rational sense. I suppose you think two of every animal fit on a boat as well and that you can hang out and make residence in a cetacean stomach. Absurd…
Chris LeJeune Says:
looktothehills Says:
Did you test the validity of your spiritual prophecy with two or more prophets?
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Yep! My friend Jack Daniels from Tennessee, and my friend Jim Beam from Kentucky.
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I rebuke the deceiving spirit that is in you, IN JESUS NAME! Devil, you have no power over this individual. This is God’s child.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pmI’d rather let my house flood than have Joe-the-fake-plumbing, tax-evading, bigoted moron anywhere mine
May 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pmWill some please light JTP schrubs on fire so he thinks Jesus wants him to run for office. Then lets get Mitt and Jeb up there to campaign for him. He is the heart and soul of the party.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pmHas Mr. Wurzelbacher done anything plumbing-related for money in the last six months? It seems like he’s doing a lot of othe stuff – covering the Middle East for Pajamas “Media,” headlining CPAC, giving interviews, etc., none of which have anything to do with plumbing.
I ask because at some point, can’t we stop calling this guy “the Plumber”? Leaving aside whether he was actually a plumber to begin with.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pmyou can bet the family pet that this guy has some queer feelings of his own towards men.
now the bible it also says he should put to death those that worked on sunday.
joe is going to be a very busy man on sundays.
christianity died on the cross.
this man is not about love but hate and fear the main attributes of the repub party.
dont get confused there are a lot of joe americans out there look how many votes mc war got in the last election.
we are a very dangerous society. very dangerous to the world.
we killed one million vietnamese and did not bat an eye for them. 90% of americans did not even know who the viet cong were.
we have destroyed iraq and its people. 4 million displaced iraqis and americans could give a hoot.
never met an american yet that has cared for the iraqis and what we have done to them.
now afghan will be obama’s vietnam wait and see.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pmObviously you’ve released yours enough to wedge your head up there.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmdbadass Says:
Also, doesn’t your daughter understand the homosexuals cannot procreate?
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Do you understand that sexual behavior in social animals is about more than procreation?
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Sex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmPeople don’t understand the dictionary
What the fcuk?
Are comedians writing this shit for them?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmSomebody needs to get Joe a dictionary so he can look up the meaning of the word “dictionary”.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmSounds like Daryll needs an enema.
So Daryll, how’s that first month of pregnancy coming along?
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmJoe the non-plumber puts the big in bigotry. It’s part of thier bigot tent.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmI actually find myself kind of feeling sorry for this pathetic dim bulb.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pmHe’s been used by the righties for so long now that I think he actually believes the crap he’s spouting. Someone should tell him to keep his mouth shut and stop making a fool out of himself. What’s the world coming to – Miss California, Joe The Plumber, Sara Palin, Drugs Limbaugh… It is pretty scary that these folks get time on the airwaves to run their mouths…
looktothehills Says:
Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I can tell you’ve given that a lot of thought. This might be helpful to you.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pm#
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
looktothehills Says:
Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion.
Obviously you’ve released yours enough to wedge your head up there.
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Jesus loves you, and I will continue to pray for you.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pmSorry Zooey, I didn’t read your comment before getting all excited about venting my anger!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pmThe question should be thrown at Joe The Plumber :
“Joe, you made your fame caliming to be a plumbing business buyer. Are you still looking to buy a plumbing business,or the whole story you made was a big stunt that was suitable for McCain/Obama debate?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pmJoe the Plumber married and had a son with some woman so crazy she never sees her child. Or maybe she’s afraid to come into contact with Joe. Who knows. Either way he’s not in a position to pass judgment on others.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pmlooktothehills
You are stupid. YOU are a liar and a punk. You have nothing to say about morals. Those with morals arent liars like YOU and you are too stupid to understand pretty much anything. If you REALLY cared about religion you would just STFU since all you are doing is making REAL Christians look like the ignorant looney, bigoted piece of garbage YOU are.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pmI see joe-the-non-union-plumber (who was a fake straw man for the GOP to give the impression that they somehow care for the little guy) is using his freedom of speech. Nice, keep it up bone head. Has this guys “five-minutes of fame” expired yet?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pmMan’s rectum was created for release, not insertion.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm—
Any thoughts on the rectum of women?
looktothehills Says:
Go sit by your phone and wait for that call from the Mensa International…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pmAdam’s Rib is a great Tracy/Hepburn picture!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.” – F. Zappa
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm# 80 (Hills)
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pmYou know….Tiny Tim???,,, the goofy long haired hippie in 1969 who played the ukelele?…
He said the same thing you have….
are you related?
Spending ONE DAY with Daryll anywhere would feel like hell.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm#
Zooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I can tell you’ve given that a lot of thought. This might be helpful to you.
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Why criticize one of God’s children? Also, my comment is the truth. Why do you think that humans are more susceptible to attracting STD’s through anal sex. Because you easily harm the membranes through this method, which include blood laceration.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pmSo when neoparasite isnt HERE begging US to pity him he is on the GOP circuit begging all of AMERICA to pity him and calls himself Joe wished he was a plumber
May 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pmdbadass Says:
“Any thoughts on the rectum of women?”
You betcha! ;>)
May 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Zooey Says:
BTW, prove hell is real, Daryll.
Spending ONE DAY with Daryll anywhere would feel like hell.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Awwwww, now you’ve given him the answer! :(
May 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pmSex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
— Why do think think there is so much same sex contact in bighorn sheep, bottlenosed dolphin, bonobo, giraffe, penguins, macaques and on and on. Seems this creator of yours has a thing for the gay…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pmJoe the Plumber: I would never let gay people ‘anywhere near my children.’
Are your “children” similar to that business you couldn’t afford , yet claimed you were going to purchase , you tool ?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pmdbadass Says:
Sex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
— Why do think think there is so much same sex contact in bighorn sheep, bottlenosed dolphin, bonobo, giraffe, penguins, macaques and on and on. Seems this creator of yours has a thing for the gay…
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They are animals. They do not know any better.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pmLooktotheshills:
I am made from the rib of Adam as you are made from a magical person in the sky. Try some real spirituality.
And as far as your anus being made for releases, could you please refrain from releasing it here?
Many thanks.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pmBTW…Joe has probably let his kids be around gays…he just doesn’t realize some of his friends are probably gay…
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pmdbadass Says:
“Any thoughts on the rectum of women?”
It is a forbidden sexual act (Just like oral sex).
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pmlooktothehills Says:
Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion. Man and woman’s organs are built like a puzzle. They are made each other. Remember Adam’s rib?
Can you tell me the name of the person who wrote that in the Bible?
Is the Bible your source for all of your biological information?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pmbegging to pity blah blah blah pity to beg blah blah blah bleg to piggy blah blah blah.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pmruntothehills Says:
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Doodlebug Shayne Says:
looktothehills Says:
Man’s rectum was created for release, not insertion.
Obviously you’ve released yours enough to wedge your head up there.
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Jesus loves you, and I will continue to pray for you.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
When did “Jesus” start posting here ?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pmGermany, 1933-1945. The National Socialist Party (aka N A Z I s) target the Jews and murder 6 million of them.
United States of America, 2009: Conservatives and Republicans have a new scapegoat – American citizens who happen to be members of the GLBT community.
What will be next?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmLividLib Says:
“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.” – F. Zappa
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Mr Zappa may want to read the scripture about fellowship with brethren.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmDO NOT PRAY FOR ME.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmlooktothehills Says:
I rebuke the deceiving spirit that is in you, IN JESUS NAME! Devil, you have no power over this individual. This is God’s child.
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You’re right! I’m all better now! Jesus loves me!!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
What Joe is saying is that all Gay people are potentially child molesters, and all straight people are not.
Are THESE the gay people Joe the Dumber is talking about?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmThey are animals. They do not know any better.
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May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmMulticelluar heterotrophic organisms that ingest their food? Ah so are you? Still if they were created by an anti-gay god why would said god include all this gayness? Makes no sense but then again neither does that cetacean stomach thing or that talking snake crap either…
looktothehills Says:
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dbadass Says:
Sex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
— Why do think think there is so much same sex contact in bighorn sheep, bottlenosed dolphin, bonobo, giraffe, penguins, macaques and on and on. Seems this creator of yours has a thing for the gay…
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They are animals. They do not know any better.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
That the excuse of Republicans and their backers for their own behavior ?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmWhy do you think that humans are more susceptible to attracting STD’s through anal sex.
The single most fcuking WRONG, obtusely ignorant, vile post ever.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pmtime to get the ortho spray and exterminate the doodlebug.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmI’m sure Joe the Skinhead has gay friends but he only meets them in public restrooms. Toe tap here and a glory hole there.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmHere is the thing about slurs–they just don’t appear out of nowhere. Racial slurs and slang terms are not simply assigned. The term “honky” was not just some random word that came out of nowhere in order for people to provide a slur towards white people.
Everything has an etymology in the English language. Slurs have ulterior meanings before they become slurs. “Queer” has its original meaning, but here’s what sources such as Princeton and Wiktionary have to say about the term.
Note that the term “strange” doesn’t exactly work with “queer”. “Strange” and “unusual” have some neutral connotations affixed to them, but “queer” has negative connotations attached to it–a “queer” person is not part of the norm, while an “unusual” or “strange” person may have an oddity that is not necessarily negative or against the norm.
And let’s just think about the situation; imagine telling someone that they are “strange” as opposed to “queer”. What reaction do you think that elicits?
Oh, by the way? Homosexuality not not equate to “pedophilia”. It does not turn a switch in kids to tell them they are homosexual nor is it some sort of disease, but it just might give them the idea that homosexuals are no different than anybody else. I mean, if that’s what Joe is implying.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmNo, that only happens by accident because they all look alike.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmDaryll is utterly moronic. My sincere wish is to see religion vanish from the earth one fine day, so that Gods and Kings will no longer enthrall human potential in this universe. I tire of the preaching and stupidity of the Religious Right.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmlooktothehills Says:
Why criticize one of God’s children?
Daryll, the only thing you do here is criticize us. I’m returning the favor.
Also, my comment is the truth. Why do you think that humans are more susceptible to attracting STD’s through anal sex. Because you easily harm the membranes through this method, which include blood laceration.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Is that how you got your STD?
Actually, if you actually looked it up, you would find that most STDs are transmitted and received by heterosexual contact.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmThe last think I’d want is for any spiritual entity to believe that I’d associate with a hateful, selfish, hypocrite like you.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pmneoparody Says:
The corral is open and the retarded hyenas are about to be herded.
Heads up teenage brain.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pmMan and woman’s organs are built like a puzzle
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pm—
As in they perplex you?
Hills, your life must be BORING.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pmlooktothehills Says:
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LividLib Says:
“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.” – F. Zappa
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Mr Zappa may want to read the scripture about fellowship with brethren.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
For its never-ending supply of comedic value ?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pmLooking at his picture, I’m guessing that if Joe has children, they are at least teens and older ? And Joe still is deciding who they socialize with ?
And in agreement with many above posts, who’d you rather your children emulate: Joe the out of work liar who says he’s a plumber but is really a tax cheat ?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pmIt is a forbidden sexual act (Just like oral sex).
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:00 pmNo it isn’t…
rhf, the only good a condom a would do you is to put it on your head and ram it up a horses caboose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pmI find it hard to believe that Darull is praying for anyone but himself.
“Dear Jaysus, kayp teh gays ah-wayh from teh childjrun. Brang them strayt ta mah, so I can shake teh day-vul off em. Ay-may-en”
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pmTip: Never rely on Christians for information on biology, because they tend to not know much about it. Just let them know what the Bible says, and factual truth matters not.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pmRomans 1:26-27 – “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Genesis 19
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm#
republicans hate facts Says:
looktothehills Says
Jesus loves you, and I will continue to pray for you.
ROTFL!! So now you PRESUME to *SPEAK* for a GOD while PREACHING HATRED BIGOTRY AND IGNORANCE? ROTFL!!
PSYCHO F**KKKING FREAK!
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How can I hate what is not right in the eyes of God?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pmOops, sorry. But he’s so dumb I’m sure he’ll miss the point.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pmWurzelbacher the Bigot.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pmLeviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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More evidence that Christians are a danger to society.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pmwill the money grubbing jew please stand up?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pmLeviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pmThat is just becuase chicks are smarter. They always catch you in a lie. The dudes are dolts and can be easily lied too. Still I suppose it is good advise overall
looktothehills Says:
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Romans 1:26-27 – “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Genesis 19
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Trojans 1:1 – Condoms are not water balloons ………….
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pmOh SMACK. BRAVO!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pmLeviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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No wonder Christians use God to justify their murderous rampages.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pmlooktothehills Says:
Sex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I believe that Christianity had a big, giant split over that very issue – whether or not it was okay to have sex for pleasure (as part of giving pleasure to one’s partner for life.) And, judging by the result, it appears that not all Christian people agree with you.
So, when you run for that seat on the city council, will the Bible you try to govern by be the one that says sex must always be for procreation only, or the one that says sex for pleasure between married adults is fine? Which do you think will get you more votes?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pmneoparody Says:
will the money grubbing jew please stand up?
Will the homophobic anti semite please kill himself?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pmIf you connect with your religion on no deeper level than you do with the tax code then I really feel sorry for you. Hate is not a family value.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWhat is this? Sunday school? I wonder what The Buddha has to say about this.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pmScience needs to stay out of the will of God.
Imaginary deities need to remain out of the progression of science.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pmDaryll is an art form. How many freaks can post shit that puts Christianity in such bad light? I think Daryll is really Satan’s b*tch.
The poor guy struggles with his homosexuality and tries hard to overcome the self hatred, but he just can’t help talking about men’s rectums. Like visions of sugarplums dancing in his head.
Shake it off Daryll!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pmso Joe the Plumber is dragging God into the political equation is he? what a surprise! Is there a right winger that doesn’t drag god into his or her dirty work?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmlooktothehills Says:
Sex was made for procreation, which occurs with a man and woman. If you cannot procreate, than adopt. Science needs to stay out of the will of God.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
For those unable to procreate , sex is strictly forbidden ?
Why ? What did anyone do to deserve that ?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmthe libs are anti-religion so i’m within bounds being antisemitic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmThe Bible also says you shouldn’t wear two different kinds of cloth… your point?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmBTW, PLC, if you’re around, I (and the rest of us I must assume) mean no disrespect.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pmDaryll still hasn’t proved hell is real. I guess he can’t.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pmDon’t ever attempt to debate with a Christian. They’ll use every amount of wiggle room in their Bible to justify their factual inaccuracies. If they have to contend with a complex argument, they’ll simply claim that God is responsible and run off. Never expect them to know much about science. They simply say what they want to.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pmthe liberals off babies and force suicides. theyre disturbed folks.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pmZooey:
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pmIs it really posible that someone can go through life without ever being involved in oral sex? I am mystified by this concept?
SwedishSkinJer Says:
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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More evidence that Christians are a danger to society.
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God is against death, but, based on scriptures, homosexuals are on their way to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pmLiberals are anti-religion?
Yup, that’s precisely why so many Democratic members of Congress are atheists. Yay for wild generalizations and factual inaccuracies from the Republicans. By the way, how’s that “rebranding” coming along, fellas?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pmlooktothehills Says:
dbadass Says:
“Any thoughts on the rectum of women?”
It is a forbidden sexual act (Just like oral sex).
Sounds like Daryll needs an enema and a good blowjob.
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmdbadass Says:
Zooey:
Is it really posible that someone can go through life without ever being involved in oral sex? I am mystified by this concept?
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Hey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmrhf is a borg behind the pc monitor.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmHeaven won’t take me and hell is afraid I’ll take over.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI am not anti-religion I just can’t imagine anyone belonging to a religion that has a beef with blowjobs…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmPeople don’t understand the dictionary—
LOL!!! I wont even comment on that
it’s called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It’s not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that.
Yea Honky, now there’s a word thats on every bigots tongue.
I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.
HAD!! Your damn right about that one buddy, you had some gay friends, and you probably turned your back on them AFTER you found out.
God hasn’t said, ‘Joe, I want you to run.’ I feel more important to just encourage people to get involved, one way or another. If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great. I don’t know if I want to be a leader,”
That’s Gold right there.
Though I too agree that this idiot should be marginalized, I can see why putting him on everyday can be a benefit. Maybe those who are still bold enough to call themselves Republicans (different than Rushpuppetcans) will become so embarrassed, so repulsed, by this man and those like him that it will cause an even bigger rejection of everything they stand for, which is nothing.
RIP
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
atheism is not a religion.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmDoes anyone really care what Joe the non-plumber says?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmdbadass Says:
Zooey:
Is it really posible that someone can go through life without ever being involved in oral sex? I am mystified by this concept?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Daryll just doesn’t know what he’s missing. Maybe Pastor Gino can help him out.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmGod is against death, but, based on scriptures, homosexuals are on their way to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone.
Which is precisely why so many Christians support the death penalty? I don’t need your collection of fairy tales to dictate our legal system, thanks. How about you disprove Allah and the Greek pantheon first? You, sir, are on your way to irrelevance, what with your fear-mongering and moronic, unsubstantiated statements.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmdbadass Says:
Zooey:
Is it really posible that someone can go through life without ever being involved in oral sex? I am mystified by this concept?
Well, I can attest that it’s possible to go through life almost without ever being involved in oral sex. :)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmneoparody Says:
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the libs are anti-religion so i’m within bounds being antisemitic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Being opposed to fairy tales that the mentally feeble spew as “fact” when it simply is not , is the same as being a bigot ?
Since when ?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pmDo it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm—
If you are doing it the right way, you are already breaking about a zillion of your weirdo rules…
neoparody Says:
the liberals off babies and force suicides. theyre disturbed folks.
the neo-cons off babies in lie based wars. Your point?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmrhf has an extreme form of bipolar disorder. i guarantee you he is a lonely runt.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmHeck, I don’t even think Daryll is real.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmneoparody Says:
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atheism is not a religion.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Which is why it makes sense………..
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmdbadass:
LtfOL!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmI’m willing to bet that Focus on the Family hires these morons to spread their hypocritical message.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm(1 Cor 6:13 NIV) “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
For those wondering about Jesus’ views on oral sex.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pmYou advocate exterminating me and then you post this nonsense about liberals. Proof that it’s advantageous for a right winger to be dumber than a box of rocks.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pmneoparody
Yes you ignorant piece of trollturd it IS repititious and boring EXACTLY LIKE YOU. It took you long enough to notice now why dont you either start at least TRYING to be part of the dialogue and actually talk TO us instead of at us or spare us your endlessly boring idiocy and just STFU. YOU. ARE. NOT. CLEVER. YOU. ARE. STUPI. AND. PATHETIC.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pmlooktothehills Says:
Hey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m pretty sure dbadass is doing oral sex right. I’d take my chances on the non-existent hell.
Unless you can prove hell is real, Daryll. Can you?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pmbuy jews are very obsessed with making money.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pmOf course he can’t substantiate anything. They despise facts.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:14 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Hey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m pretty sure dbadass is doing oral sex right. I’d take my chances on the non-existent hell.
Unless you can prove hell is real, Daryll. Can you?
And do they oral sex down there?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pmThere will be no room in hell for homosexuals since it will be jam packed with war mongering Repubs who don’t care what happens to their neighbors and only worry about themselves.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pmEven the most devout believer of any religion will agree that no human can possibly know the mind of god.
Then again, since she was created by human’s imagination, we can make up anything we want about her.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pmneoparody Says:
buy jews are very obsessed with making money.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmNAZI!
playing the victim? your moniker needs to go. where in that sentence lib was i talking about human life?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmshoeless Says:
Zooey Says:
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Daryll still hasn’t proved hell is real. I guess he can’t.
Heck, I don’t even think Daryll is real.
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Read Revelation.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
And do they oral sex down there?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Aw hell, sign me up. ;)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmrepublicans hate facts Says
It is not what comes INTO the body but what COMES OUT OF THE MOUTH that DEFILES MAN…. Sounds like HeyZeus had *YOUR* number Daryll! ;)
I hope it’s his IP number.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmno, nothing nazi about it. just anti-israel. fcuk israel!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmIf anything, it is Joe the (fake) Plumber that doesn’t
“understand the dictionary”. Moron Joe, you don’t
call people whom you wouldn’t let anywhere near your children
as “friends”. Go look up the dictionary and see how
it defines “friend”.
Sheesh!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmI heard Daryll’s wife gives the best bl#w j#b in town. Only thing is she gives them to everybody in town but Daryll. Of course no that he’s explained his position on the subject we can’t blame her.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmI am a gay woman who has, in fact, procreated. (It wasn’t really all that complicated.) I would not let JTP near my children without a chaperon. I wouldn’t want him to infect them with his ill-informed and bigoted ideas.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmlooktothehills Says:
Read Revelation.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Daryll, that’s a f ucking storybook. It’s not proof.
Prove hell is real, Daryll.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmHey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
Daryll, please do share the bible passage that says that oral sex is a sin. That God only allows the Tab A into Approved Slot B.
Thanks!
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmI use the bible daily………….. As toilet paper to wipe my ass with.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pmDown where? Like, as in, Texas, or…down there?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pmDaryll, Jesus didn’t say that. Didn’t you ever wonder what Jesus was doing out in the desert every night with 12 other dudes and lots of wine?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pmneoparasite you are just a bone ignorant piece of dogshite. Except stupider. Begging, begging everyday. No brain, no self respect, no clue what he is talking about and not a shred of decency. A liar and a fool. No one will ever like you nor respect you and your life will always be a dismal lonely sentence of misery because you are flat out pathetic. It is why you come here to insult US. In the vain hope that if you can make someone ELSE feel bad, which you are too stupid to accomplish, just for a second it will make you feel better about yourself. That perhaps someone ELSE shares the shameful misery you have about how staggeringly stupid and unremittingly pathetic you are. Things is it doesnt work that way. Try as you might to convice yourself that you are better than someone ANYONE. You will always know deep down it is a sham a congame that YOU are what you are. STUPID beyond measure and the most pathetic piece of garbage imaginable. That is never going to change
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pm#
Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
Zooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Hey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m pretty sure dbadass is doing oral sex right. I’d take my chances on the non-existent hell.
Unless you can prove hell is real, Daryll. Can you?
And do they oral sex down there?
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I bind every satanic imp and work that is in you, IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pmRead Revelation.
Christians: Read the book that I still can’t prove is accurate to see that the statement I made from the book is correct.
Yup, that’s as far as Christian intellect extends. We ask them to prove that the Bible contains factual information, so they tell us to read religious material in order to see that their claims are substantiated. Makes sense…
Not.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmlooktothehills Says:
God is against death, but, based on scriptures, homosexuals are on their way to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone.
If God is against death, then why did He flood the Earth and kill all the humans? Is God against death or not? If He’s against death, then why did He encourage people to go to war?
It appears to an outsider like me that your religious beliefs have internal contradictions. I put my own faith in proof.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmHey Joe, this is God:
Please STFU and go back to being a not-really-a-plumber. You’re not helping anybody.
Also, by the logic of the earthly religious right, since I made man in my image then I must be a little gay.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmIs stupidity “in” this year? If Joe got the memo, how did I miss it?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmspencers butterfly mom Says:
Hey, you have a choice. Do it the right way, or burn for eternity. You choose.
Daryll, please do share the bible passage that says that oral sex is a sin. That God only allows the Tab A into Approved Slot B.
Thanks!
PEACE
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Read my previous scriptural comment.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmI bind every satanic imp and work that is in you, IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!
Daryll, did you take your medication yet?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pmGot to love separation of church and state. Just wish it would apply here.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pmI bind every satanic imp and work that is in you, IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you trying to prevent me from having oral sex?
Because I really wish you wouldn’t.
Not that you need any help.
(sigh)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pmlooktothehills Says:
I bind every satanic imp and work that is in you, IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Now Daryll’s into bondage. Ok, I’ll try anything once…or twice.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pmi love inviting eugene the socialists rant.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Read Revelation.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Daryll, that’s a f ucking storybook. It’s not proof.
Prove hell is real, Daryll.
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No storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pmNo storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
So, where’s the proof? Wait – you don’t have any.
Too unfortunate.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pmlooktothehills Says:
dbadass Says:
“Any thoughts on the rectum of women?”
It is a forbidden sexual act (Just like oral sex).
…and this is why the largest consumers of porn live in red states?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pmSwedishSkinJer Says: Daryll, did you take your medication yet?
I hope his medications include cyanide.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pmWhat’s with all the hate today, neoparroty? Still suck at writing?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pmdarryl, you are the most glorious poster known to man.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pmJoe who? Or is it Samuel who?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pmIt also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm—
The same way that oral sex feeds the sexually hungry?
looktothehills Says:
No storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 p
Well, I did get a papercut off that bible I stole from the hotel room — where I got some FABULOUS oral sex.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm#
Intrepid Says:
I use the bible daily………….. As toilet paper to wipe my ass with.
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BLASPHEMY!!!! Jesus, save his soul. Help him to take you seriously. Change your life, try our church http://truthofgod.com.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pmyou can speak to this american once you become an american, druid boy.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:24 pmlooktothehills Says: BLASPHEMY!!!! Jesus, save his soul. Help him to take you seriously. Change your life, try our church http://truthofgod.com.
I’m printing YOUR post and wiping my ass with it.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
No storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 p
Well, I did get a papercut off that bible I stole from the hotel room — where I got some FABULOUS oral sex.
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You may not realize it, but as a prayer warrior, I am currently praying for spiritual healing, on your behalf, right now. I guarantee, within the next few months, you will change, and you will have a testimony.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmDING DING DING!!!!
We have a winner!! Intrepid, you’ve made Daryll play the “BLASPHEMY!!!!” card!
What are you gonna do now!?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmblowjobs from a bubble butted chick do rock.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmZooey Says:
Well, I did get a papercut off that bible I stole from the hotel room — where I got some FABULOUS oral sex.
And where can I find this hotel? ;)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm#
dbadass Says:
It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
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The same way that oral sex feeds the sexually hungry?
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Hell is real.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmMay 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
looktothehills Says:
No storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
I find the readings of The Tales of Genji to be quite sharp, and reading it fulfills my sense of spiritual hunger.
Your sense of religion comes from the Bible, and I respect that. But spiritual appeasement can come from any book, and for some so can religion. Talk to the millions of Happy Potter fans in the world.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pmZooey Says:
DING DING DING!!!!
We have a winner!! Intrepid, you’ve made Daryll play the “BLASPHEMY!!!!” card!
What are you gonna do now!?
I’m going to Disney World. :)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pmlooktothehills Says:
You may not realize it, but as a prayer warrior, I am currently praying for spiritual healing, on your behalf, right now. I guarantee, within the next few months, you will change, and you will have a testimony.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
As long as you’re praying, I’d appreciate if you asked god to give me more oral sex. Thanks.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pmI believe Pastor Gino has his hands full with Daryll’s wife. Well not his “hands” per se but you know what I mean. If somebody has a steak they can take Daryll’s dog away from him too.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
Zooey Says:
Well, I did get a papercut off that bible I stole from the hotel room — where I got some FABULOUS oral sex.
And where can I find this hotel? ;)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Go west, young man. :-D
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmprayer “warriors come out and play”…
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neoparody Says:
darryl, you are the most glorious poster known to man.
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I am in the business of saving souls before the Rapture.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmthe train really came off the tracks on this blog thread. :)
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmintrepid, ink on anus will hopefully result in a bad case of hemroids for you that i can have a hearty laugh. let us know when the Prep H works!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmYou’re giving americans a bad name you schmuck.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmYou may not realize it, but as a prayer warrior, I am currently praying for spiritual healing, on your behalf, right now. I guarantee, within the next few months, you will change, and you will have a testimony.
Boy, Christians have been telling me this for nearly twenty years, and I still think that their claims of prayer are laughable delusions. You remind me of the God Warrior on that television show, a woman who constantly embarrassed herself and her family with rantings such as these.
Notice how this kid has never substantiated anything. He simply directs us to religious material that only shows his comprehension is severely below average.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pmAs long as you’re praying, I’d appreciate if you asked god to give me more oral sex. Thanks.
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pmSo let it be written. So let it be done….
darryl, shayne just wants your money.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pmneoparody
No you dont. You hate that I talk about how stupid and pathetic you are ALL the time. You hate that I point out how worthless it is for you to beg us for our pity. You just know there isnt a thing you can do about it so you try reverse psychology. We arent weak minded enough for someone as patently STUPID as you to manipulate and the jedi mindtrick thing. It is just in the movies. You are ignorant. You are a piece of dirt. You are a punkass troll who doesnt even understand the concept of self respect and are doomed to beg us to pity you since you are just too stupid to do anything else. A sad and pathetic existance you have but then friends, a brain, self respect, higher brain function sadly none of these are in your future. The BEST thing you could possibly hope for is an epiphany that would bring you to an understanding that you are just embarassing yourself and it is well beyond time for you to STFU
May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pmlooktothehills Says:
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neoparody Says:
darryl, you are the most glorious poster known to man.
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I am in the business of saving souls before the Rapture.
Is there a lot of money to be made doing that?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmHell is real.
Where’s your proof, moron? Are you honestly this deluded?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmPurple State Says:
looktothehills Says:
No storybook. The bible is as sharp as a two edge sword. It also feeds those who are spiritually hungry.
I find the readings of The Tales of Genji to be quite sharp, and reading it fulfills my sense of spiritual hunger.
Your sense of religion comes from the Bible, and I respect that. But spiritual appeasement can come from any book, and for some so can religion. Talk to the millions of Happy Potter fans in the world.
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Harry Potter is demonic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmDaryll
truthofgod.com? Not .org?
Oh, that’s right. Organized religion is in the money-making business!
End the tax-exempt status for these for-profit brainwashing groups. Look how they turn out!
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmDaryll says: Harry Potter is demonic.
And so his deluded rantings continue.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmneoparody Says:
intrepid, ink on anus will hopefully result in a bad case of hemroids for you that i can have a hearty laugh. let us know when the Prep H works!
Did the Prep H work after looktothe hills teabagged your Anus with his holy pickle?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmHell is real.
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May 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmYou keep saying that. I suppose I can live in a whale stomach to? I don’t believe either and you aren’t offering me any reason to. Streets made of very malleable precious metals makes no sense as well. Why do you belkieve such odd things?
You trolls need to step your game up. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmI guess god said, “Joe, go out and be a racist.”
May 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmlooktothehills Says:
Harry Potter is demonic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Harry Potter is fiction — like your bible.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmLook…moron. You are a liar. You arent trying to help anyone and I dont believe that you even BELIEVE in religion at ALL. You are doing performance art. BADLY. You are stupid, you are a shameless liar. YOu are an ignorant bigot and a hypocrite. None of those are religious values. You like neoparasite THINK you are clever but like him you are just stupid and pathetic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmDaryll and Joe the Plumber are glorious comedy acts. They should be used as advertising material – simply to show audiences how pathetic and weak the Religious Right has become. What a wonderful testimony for critical thinking, something they currently lack.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pmBigotry doesn’t begin to describe these people. Unreasoning hate all around.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm@160 neoparody
the libs are anti-religion so i’m within bounds being antisemitic.
what BS. The libs are not anti-religion. They just don’t make God do their dirty work. They know God doesn’t take sides.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pmLooktothehills, Daryll, is that a euphemism for staring at boobs?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pmDaryll must be finished stealing time from his employer.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pmWho cares what this man thinks or says about ANYTHING!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pmHeavenly Father, I pray for the many souls on this blog who are lost. Please save their souls. Please help them to understand that Acts 2:38 must be followed or they will burn in hell. Please help them to understand that Adam was created for Eve, not Adam and Steve or Eve and Evette. Please remove all Satanic spirits within our Congressional and Senatorial halls. Save their souls as well. Please help people understand that capitalism is good, but greed is wrong. Help them to understand that lower taxes for corporations means more jobs for your people. I sincerely pray for our President and his administration. Please remove all satanic spirits within the office of the President and his administration. And I will give you the praise, honor and glory forever. In your name I pray, AMEN!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pmNotice how he preaches, vanishes, and returns with new trolling material shortly after. Rapture Ready has already been exposed as an error-riddled website that engages in fear-mongering and hypocritical attacks.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmRunningscared is more apropo.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmHeavenly Father, I pray for the many souls on this blog who are lost. Please save their souls. Please help them to understand that Acts 2:38 must be followed or they will burn in hell. Please help them to understand that Adam was created for Eve, not Adam and Steve or Eve and Evette. Please remove all Satanic spirits within our Congressional and Senatorial halls. Save their souls as well. Please help people understand that capitalism is good, but greed is wrong. Help them to understand that lower taxes for corporations means more jobs for your people. I sincerely pray for our President and his administration. Please remove all satanic spirits within the office of the President and his administration. And I will give you the praise, honor and glory forever. In your name I pray, AMEN!
Done yet, moron?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmMy god is bigger than yours.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmI truly doubt that this is practiced at the Mr./Ms. looktothehills house:
Leviticus 15:19 – 30:
19 ” ‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 ” ‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.
24 ” ‘If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.
25 ” ‘When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.
28 ” ‘When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.
Now before you answer this is NOT a debate, its to show how YOU and YOUR ILK pick and choose what you want of the bible, we wont even talk about the forbidden of pork,(I know it was re-written, I didnt know that God changes his mind so people can continue to enjoy what was once forbidden) I just wanted to see if this was something that you ensure you do at home. And this is for all of the literalist on the site today.
Remember, THIS IS NOT A DEBATE!!!
Thank you.
RIP
May 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
looktothehills Says:
Harry Potter is demonic.
Yet J.K. Rowling believes in God over magic.
All I am saying is that is that we have the right to believe what we want from what we read. You have the freedom of your own religion, and I am certainly not one to press my beliefs on you. I certainly hope a lot of people here understand that when they argue against you. People should respect your religion, and you should respect theirs.
And that’s what I think it all comes to when it comes to homosexuality; people have their own beliefs towards its meaning, and those beliefs should be respected. You say that homosexuality is a sin. I say that homosexuality is a right that those people have to achieve their own sense of spirituality. Heck, dare I call it a religion of its own?
Personally, I feel we all should respect your views as being individual views. I also hope that you respect ours.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmDidn’t your deity (one out of hundreds, mind) preach against excessive pride? Who are you to presume that we are wicked individuals, you moron? Who are you to make presumptions on our lives? Who are you to pass judgment on others? Go back to where you belong, scum: the sewers. No Gods or Kings. Only Man.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:41 pmHere’s a few questions for Daryll a.k.a. LookToTheHillsAndSquealLikeAPig:
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations.
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
These questions, and a lot more, can be found here.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:41 pmDaryll,
I say this with the utmost sincerity: F UCK YOU AND YOUR GOD.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:41 pm….
no troll support for mike steele.
plenty of troll support for joe.
you see the difference?
;<|
May 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pmTired Of Fighting, don’t anticipate any honesty from Daryll. We have asked him to engage in a factual debate several times, and he has declined. I’ve seen religious websites that spew his message repeatedly delete the comments of reasonable individuals that question their disgusting tactics. All he does is type out of a prayer and run out. Don’t expect a debate from him. Only intellectual cowardice.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pmlooktothehills
You arent fooling anyone MORON. You dont even believe in God. You are a LIAR and a pathetic punkass troll.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pmlooktothehills Says:
Heavenly Father, I pray for the many souls on this blog who are lost. Please save their souls. Please help them to understand that Acts 2:38 must be followed or they will burn in hell. Please help them to understand that Adam was created for Eve, not Adam and Steve or Eve and Evette. Please remove all Satanic spirits within our Congressional and Senatorial halls. Save their souls as well. Please help people understand that capitalism is good, but greed is wrong. Help them to understand that lower taxes for corporations means more jobs for your people. I sincerely pray for our President and his administration. Please remove all satanic spirits within the office of the President and his administration. And I will give you the praise, honor and glory forever. In your name I pray, AMEN!
Good for you moron! Here. Have a (cyanide laced) cookie.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pmJoe the dumber is a gift from god to the democratic party.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pmIf Jesus came to earth tomorrow, Daryll and his kind would have him back on the cross within a week.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pmWhat’s hilarious is that many of the users here are religious themselves. They simply don’t approve of his cherry-picking tactics when it comes to his contradictory texts. Once more, Daryll makes condemnable presumptions.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Harry Potter is demonic.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Harry Potter is fiction — like your bible.
OMFG, Zooey! You’ve cracked the code! The bible was written in a coffee shop by a UK welfare mom!
No, JK’s thoughts are far better organized, and the plot lines make sense.
PEACE
May 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pmZooey Says:
If Jesus came to earth tomorrow, Daryll and his kind would have him back on the cross within a week.
I bet they would be stoning him even as He was descending from the clouds.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmWho let the trolls out?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmWhat a pile of dumb. I hope this idiot gets his own show on Fox “News”
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pmDaryll has already shown us that he cherry-picks his quotes and condones violence against homosexuals. What a disgraceful man. To irrelevance with you and your hypocritical followers.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pmHmmm. And who would be the ’strangest’ and ‘most unusual’ character to have emerged from the 2009 election??
Seriously, who’s the queerest in the land?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pmLet’s all use religion to justify our bigotry!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pmIs there a contest between the RIGHT WINGERS on who can spew the most hate speech possible?
I can see it now, Sarah Palin, Joe the Scammer and Miss California the NEW GOP.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pmHere is a post from another progressive blog that gives reasons why Joe the Plumber is queer.
Hilarious!!! A must read.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=687
May 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pmSwedishSkinJer Says:
Daryll has already shown us that he cherry-picks his quotes and condones violence against homosexuals. What a disgraceful man. To irrelevance with you and your hypocritical followers.
And that’s why the Rethuglikkklans are only 21% of registered voters now but they STILL haven’t figured out why they are becoming irrelevant. Sad.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pmO’ Satan, Prince of Darkness!
Rise up in Daryll’s parlor! Give Mrs. Daryll her sexual due!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pmMake Daryll watch! And free the poor imps that this sick man has bound! All praise, honour and glory to YOU, O’ Dark One!Amen.
Please help people understand that capitalism is good, but greed is wrong. Help them to understand that lower taxes for corporations means more jobs for your people.
Would you care to tell us which version of your Bible says this? I agree that greed is bad. But capitalism is good? Do you not understand that greed is the entire purpose of capitalism? Entrepreneurs do not create jobs just to be nice people, they do it to enrich themselves. As for lower taxes creating jobs, this is an outright falsehood. And it is a lie that Republicans put out all the time. Higher taxes do not prevent job creation, the greed of the people in charge does.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pmSwedishSkinJer Says:
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Tired Of Fighting, don’t anticipate any honesty from Daryll. We have asked him to engage in a factual debate several times, and he has declined. I’ve seen religious websites that spew his message repeatedly delete the comments of reasonable individuals that question their disgusting tactics. All he does is type out of a prayer and run out. Don’t expect a debate from him. Only intellectual cowardice.
May 4th, 2009
I agree, and I have been working with, for , and around those like him for over 20 years in the Army. It;s hard to repeat things from people who were around thousands of years ago, people who never met the one they so call follow. I wish it were possible to watch God even reject these people and their ways.
I can see it now:
God: “I never said that, where did you get that from”
The UNfaithful: “Right here in your good book”
God: “What the, who wrote this garbage, kill, who said that”
RIP
May 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Well, let’s get that right. It’s not “Christians” that are the problem. These right wing neoconservative evangelicals are far from anything resembling actual Christianity.
There’s been a lot of people over the centuries calling themselves Christian, but few who earn the title.
And when it comes to homosexuality, it’s an individuals right to believe it is a sin, but it is not their right to judge their fellow man on it. Jesus was the original Christian, and he said nothing about it. Doesn’t mean he thought it was right or wrong. It means we don’t know what he thought about it because he didn’t apparently feel it important enough to mention it in his 3 year ministry.
What we do know however, is on each and every occasion in which he encountered someone decrying the sexual transgressions of another, he condemned them for it.
That’s what we know.
And those neoconservatives calling themselves Christian, would know that too if they’d actually read the Bible, instead of just “thumping” it.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:57 pmJoe-”I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual.”
Mmmm, very telling Joe, very telling indeed.
Were they just “shower buddies”?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pmlooktothehills says: Please help people understand that capitalism is good, but greed is wrong.
You do realize Jesus abhored capitalism, greed, right? You do realize that greed is the reason why capitalism exists because greed is its’ primary goal, right?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:59 pmAnyone speculate on why Daryll changed his handle?
He didn’t think he would fool anyone, did he?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:59 pmlooktothehills would be too scared to read the parables of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25) once he finds out what Jesus did to ignorant trolls like him.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pmHey ‘Tired Of Fighting’ one for you.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:04 pmLooktothehicks would be better.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pmMaybe Joe is queer? Hey could be!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm(emphasis added)
link
May 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pmIf marriage was a gift from gawd only to straight people, then how come his son Jesus was not married and hung out with guys most days?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pmDruids Dream Says:
Looktothehicks would be better.
Or…. “lookimatroll”
May 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pmLinkee no workee, wiley.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pmActually most historians and biblical scholars have concluded that he was married, as rabbinical law required that during the time and he was a rabbi. Most scholars and historians have concluded that the wedding feast in Cana where he performed his first recorded miracle (i.e. water into wine) was in fact his own wedding, and that likely the woman known as Mary Magdalene was in fact his wife.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pmMaybe this time.
Thanks for the heads-up, Zooey.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:14 pmFor a bunch of so-called athiests we seem to be pretty well versed in biblical history here.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pmThanks, wiley. So much for the healing power of prayer! :-D
May 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pmDruids Dream,
Yeah, we’ll burn in the mythical fires of hell — but we’ll know why. ;)
May 4th, 2009 at 7:21 pm“Joe the Plumber: I would never let gay people ‘anywhere near my children.’”
yes, because we all know the damage gays and lesbians can do to your children’s morals when you are a welfare cheat, lying, tax evading, media whore,
May 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pmLooks like Daryll’s been drinking again. Only problem is his memory – he hasn’t told us today how many businesses he owns or runs, how many houses he has (also boats, cars, trucks, vacation houses etc.), the size of his bank account, how much he gives to his church or other fictitious charities etc.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pmRead the bible? Numerous wives is not only condoned in the bible, it is encouraged. According to the bible, divorce is a sin. Why don’t YOU read the bible? It seems as if I know more about it than you do and I’m agnostic. Either you’re ignorant to what the bible teaches or you are just picking and choosing things that suit your half-witted arguments.
Anyway, what about those of us who do not believe in God? Why should I abide by something I do not believe in? That’s why our laws should not be rooted in Christianity. Not everyone is a Christian, yanno.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pmI already went through eight years of hell with G.Wizz Bush. I think I can handle it.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pmNot all liberals and progressives are atheists.
It’s just that neoconservatives have given Christianity a bad name so most liberals and progressives who are people of faith don’t speak up, for fear of being flamed.
And it’s understandable though. The Republican party has single handedly set back Christianity 500 years and people are pretty much tired of hearing anything people calling themselves Christian have to say. Of course the flip side of that is diminished ranks on the left as more and more liberal and progressive Christians just drop out altogether rather than deal with the stigma attached with their faith.
The republicans messed everything up, for everyone.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pm31″When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats . 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats (lookimatroll, neoparasite)on his left.
34″Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41″Then he will say to those on his left (lookimatroll, neoparasite), ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44″They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45″He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46″Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
May 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pmlooktothehills Says:
Sam is right. It is a perverted sin that must be cured. Should we allow man to marry beast, too? How about allowing man to marry numerous wives? NO! This is not Jesus’ will. Libs, read the bible.
Do you understand how insulting it is to suggest that gay marriage is equivalent to bestiality or polygamy? Not just insulting, but ignorant, too.
When you pull this argument out, you have lost the debate. Period. Your opinions on gay marriage will never be considered as “informed opinions” (and, therefore, potentially worthy of respect) if you believe such nonsense as this.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pmI wonder what stupid book or what moronic sermon Daryll has latched on to recently for this new moniker – looktothehills?
I think “AmericanTaliban” would be much more entertaining.
Or maybe “PsychoFukwad” would be funnier and more true.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pmYou read the bible.
Jesus’s words are contained within four single works, comprising the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of St John.
When you get done looking up the definition of Synoptic, please produce the passage where Jesus condemns or even mentions homosexuality.
I’ll be waiting right here, Annas.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pmHonestly, I don’t believe Jesus even existed. He was just a made up story to get the Christians to believe. It was the same story told over and over way before he was invented. See?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pmHey Joe, did god tell you to fess up with your inner feelings because it sure sounds like you are totally afraid of who you really are!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pmpersonally, i think every gay pride parade in ohio this year should make a detour…right through joe the welfare queen’s front lawn
May 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pm“I sincerely pray for our President and his administration. Please remove all satanic spirits within the office of the President and his administration.”
Daryll, were you using this same prayer when Bush was in office? If so, IT DIDN’T WORK!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pmCould someone, ANYONE, please explain to me what “Joe” the Not-A-Licensed-Plumber means by this sentence:
“Smoke up my skirt”? The guy’s a full-on raving homophobe, yet he wears women’s clothes?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pmJoe loved marriage so much he got a divorce! Joe is so against gays he’s got gay friends! Joe says he’s a great parent but won’t introduce them to his kids!
And we wonder why the American Taliban (aka republic party) is so screwed up today and no one can makes sense of them!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pmDo you get the feeling too Joe wears panties and has on occasion spent some time tapping his foot in men’s stalls in airports across the nation?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pmkay,
May 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pmi am sure joe the welfare queen’s kids just love havng a circus freakshow like that for a father.
Well that’s your right to “believe”, however there is sufficient historical and archeological evidence to contradict your belief.
Christians believe he did exist. And the scientific community is divided. So you have a right to your belief, however there’s plenty of highly educated highly intelligent people out there who’d disagree with you.
The important thing is to not disrespect the beliefs of others, but instead focus on what they actually do.
Otherwise, how much better are we than the narrow minded exclusionary dogma of the right? Our tent is supposed to be the big tent, meaning people of all faiths, creeds, beliefs, religions, doctrines and philosophies, race, and sexual preference are welcome.
To exclude one is to exclude them all.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:49 pmWith this comment, Joe the “not plumber” has thrust himself into the “I’m a closeted gay who hates myself” REpub category. At least he has many other Repubs there to console him. It’s a common fact from psychologists that men who complain the most about gays are most likely to be closeted gays themselves. Hey, Joe, where’re you going with that tool in your hand?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pmWell for the reasons I just spelled out.
You have to be intelligent enough to read them though.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:59 pmdasm Says: It’s a common fact from psychologists that men who complain the most about gays are most likely to be closeted gays themselves. Hey, Joe, where’re you going with that tool in your hand?
Joe the plumber says: I’m going to unclog lookimatroll’s and neoparasite’s pipes.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pmFirst off all, the age of the earth has nothing to do with Christianity. If you are as stupid as the republicans to think that it does, then I will make you the same challenge I make them.
Show me the passage in one of the four Gospels, which are the only scriptures that contain the actual words of Jesus, where it says anything about the age of the earth.
I’ll be waiting right here.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pmEvangelical Protestants were the group most likely to say there is justification for torture:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html
Now I wonder how they would feel if a terrorist in our custody promised to give up info on an impending attack for a blowjob?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pmThose who mock and insult others beliefs are as ignorant as the neoconservatives who mock and insult those who they see as “pagans”.
Adults learn to live with people of all faith.
The Jews believe in God too you know. And Nazi’s wearing swastika’s ridiculed their faith too for several years before finally getting around to rounding them up.
Wanna tell a Jew his God is a joke?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pmoops, my link disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html
May 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pmThere’s a far cry from discussing someones belief with them, and mocking it in all caps, mocking their God, mocking their faith, laughing at them and treating them as fools.
What you do is in no way different than what the neocon’s do.
And just like them, you think yourself the better for doing it.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pmYou know, if I were a neoconservative internet operative, wanting to promote my party and cast the other party in a negative light, I wouldn’t bother to come in as a wolf in wolves clothing, preaching my hate speech for them to dissect and refute.
Instead I’d come in as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, pretending to be one of the crowd, yet all the while being as loud, and obnoxious, disrespecting people’s faith and beliefs, and anyone not towing the far left mantra’s. I’d type in all caps, so as to be sure to be seen, and I’d speak with the lexicon of a juvenile, trying to appear as ignorant and foul as possible.
This would cast the left in a much worse light, than any right wing trolling I could possibly do.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pmLike I said, let me here you tell the Jew’s that their God is a joke, or “f” their God, and that they all died for their faith in the camps of Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald, etc, for nothing but a childs fairy tale.
Let’s hear you say that, if their beliefs as you define them are a “joke”.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pmMocking people’s beliefs and faith is not something intelligent, evolved individuals do.
Mocking people of faith is a left over from the brutes of the brown shirts, and the low brow’s burning crosses on the lawns of the Jew and the Muslim.
It is not something for those calling themselves progressive.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pmFirst you’d have to explain what that jumble of consonants and vowels actually means.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:21 pmI don’t know why anyone bothers to even read RHF’s posts. His is the perfect reason why a mute feature would be wonderful where you would never see his posts. Ah well, perhaps someday but not today.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pmYou’re a fool.
I’ve examined the Chester Beatty Papyrus and read the Codex Vaticanus at Trinity. I don’t need a dolt like you to explain anything about the four gospels to me.
And you’re wrong. There are fragments of the orginals, something you’d know that are attributed back to the original authors.
And if you knew the first thing about Judaism, from whence the Gospels originated you’d understand the exactness of Hebrew oral tradition.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:26 pmAre you saying then that your mockery of people’s beliefs constitutes what it means to be progressive?
Mocking people of faith is what you think makes you superior?
And I’m still waiting for you to tell the Jews that their nation of Israel is founded on a fairy tale, and that their God is a joke.
Come on mouth, what are you waiting for?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pmYou’re right.
In this did and do I err.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pmlooktothehills said: “They are human-beings. But there is a difference between them and people like Sam and myself. They are blatant sinners, we are not”
May I remind him/her that “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God”? Not just gays but all of us!
Whom would Jesus hate?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pmThe Egyptians along with other African cultures had the same kind of story where a woman gets pregnant via immaculate conception, her son is the son of gawd, he does miraculous things, dies, and then rises from the dead a few days later….which causes everyone to believe.
You can believe what you want and I will believe what I want. There is no proof Jesus existed. He’s just a typical made up story (or a testimony you’d find on a commercial selling diet pills! LOL!) to fool the masses into believing the absurd.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:34 pmWell first of all I’ve read the Bible in Hebrew (Masoretic text) and in Latin, when I studied the Codex Vaticanus at Catholic University as a young man. Not that any of that matters.
Because how do you lose a debate with a moron who can’t tell the Torah from the New Testament?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:36 pmSo the Jews and the Muslim’s are nuts.
For the record right?
Their God’s a joke, and the 6 million who went the gas chambers of the Holocaust were idiots.
That’s what you’re saying?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pmThe Catholics have rewritten the bible so many times it’s a far cry from what it originally was.
I recommend everyone to watch “Religulous”, Bill Maher’s movie. He is a liberal and is religious (to a small extenet), but he’s not quite sure about Jesus and the stories in the bible. The answers from some of the people in the movie are HIGH-sterical! They just make sh*t up to make their beliefs sound not so crazy!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pmAll religious people are nuts to a certain extent.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pmGUYS! GET A ROOM!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:42 pmDon’t even try Kay. I never said ANYTHING about what “I” believe.
I simply pointed out that there are a myriad of scientists, archeologists, historians, etc, who discredit your dismissal of the existence of the historical Jesus.
Sorry that doesn’t fit with your blanket dismissal of other people’s beliefs.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:42 pmtest
May 4th, 2009 at 8:43 pmSame can be said about non religious people.
And Prejudice, is an evil no matter which group of people it is levied against.
No one calling themselves liberal or progressive, who is truly one or the other, would ever seek to mock or discriminate against a group of people based on their beliefs.
There’s a term for that.
It’s called being a bigot.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:44 pmI’m a bigot because I don’t believe in Jesus and because you do? Sorry Waynebro! You’re reaching very high today!
Provide some links to the physical proof that Jesus existed.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:46 pmAnyway I’m done. I’m an idiot for arguing with an idiot like RHF, and if there’s one thing I’ve learned is that a bigot is always a bigot.
And there’s just as many bigots on the left as there is on the right.
Bigotry, prejudice, the exclusion or persecution whether verbally or physically of a people for their race, creed, color or religion has been and always will be the ugliest of all evils we encounter, because it is the predecessor of them all.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe story of Jesus is based on Egyptian mythology. Same story told over and over for the same purpose: to dupe people into believing the absurd and to have faith in their leaders who are telling these stories! “Hand over your money now or you’ll go straight to hell!”, they would chant and still do.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:50 pmThat said, the teachings of the fake Jesus are good. No doubt about it. He never existed, though. Sad.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:52 pmKay you’re another babbling idiot.
Once more, please produce the quote where I said anything about what “I” believe in.
Because I didn’t, and like most fools who can’t discuss you have to invent my position so you can argue it.
With idiots like you and RHF, it’s a wonder we win anything.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:53 pmAnd what “crazy sh*t” is that?
My position and the only one I’ve been making, is that we should TOLERATE people of all races, creeds, colors and religions.
And your position is that we should mock and ridicule people’s beliefs, rather than tolerate and learn to live with one another.
Something you do not agree with.
Which makes you a bigot by the very definition of the word.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:55 pmWaynebro, here’s Father Foster in “Religulous” talking about Jesus and religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1H3KRcqKo
It’s very telling!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:56 pmAnd lucky for you you’ll never do more than flip burgers or check people out at a Walmart, because if you ever owned a business, and pushed your religious bigotry there, you’d find out why the United States Government doesn’t tolerate prejudice based on religious belief too.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:57 pmI saw Religuious, and I watch Bill Maher every week.
I don’t need a bigot to explain it to me.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:58 pmAttacking me for denying Jesus’ existence was my first clue. You didn’t have to say it. Your actions for the past 10 minutes have proven that. You believe in Jesus, thinks he existed, and go after anyone who denies your faith & belief!
You need to start hanging out on Little Green Footballs or Free Republic. They would love to have ya!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pmLook to the good in everything. Dont fall prey to your natural instints of evil to attack in all of you. You all fall short of the glory of God.
There is alot of wisdom in the bible and Jesus was real and changed the world spreading the truth as I have laid it out.
Seduced by the dark side, you attack with hatred and gut level anger.
That does not help the world or you. You cannot get into the magical heaven of my kingdom if you do not find zen
~God
May 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pmWell then you’re clueless.
Because I didn’t argue with you over whether or not he existed, I merely pointed out that there is plenty of those in the scientific community who’d argue that point with you.
And try as you will to paint me a Christian, I can assure you I am not, nor do I attend any religious groups, organizations, meetings or believe in any dogmas.
What I DO believe in, is TOLERANCE.
TOLERANCE for people of all faith.
Something a bigot like yourself, would never fathom in a million years.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:02 pmThe republicans have enough bigots in their ranks.
We don’t need any over here.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:02 pmWell god, since I believe that when we die it’s LIGHTS OUT! and that’s it, I could care less about the magical heaven. See?
By the way, as asked in the movie “Religulous” by Bill Maher….what is taking Jesus so long to show up and appear before us all? Very good question. I mean, really, each generation for over 2,000 years says ‘He’s coming!’, but yet, Jesus doesn’t come and the planet is not peaceful. You’d think Jesus would have done this when he rose from the dead days after his death? Nope! Just a bunch of malarkey!
May 4th, 2009 at 9:05 pmThe Nazi’s ridiculed people of faith, i.e. the Jews.
Now, RHF and Kay think we should do like them.
This is the new progressive party?
Or is this republican trolls, trying to ruin the progressive movement, by making us to appear as bigoted as the neocons?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:07 pmWaynebro, do you think Joe the Plumber will end up in the same spot in the magical heaven?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:08 pmMay 4th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
18% of the population ARE ATHEISTS. We believe in ourselves rather than some magical person that didn’t exist.
Adolph Hitler made up his own religion. The End.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:10 pmI am not an evangelical and I’m not even religious, irregardless of your desperate lies to the contrary.
The Nazi’s exterminated 6 million Jews who believed in God and the Torah (including Genesis).
You’re in here ridiculing those 6 million Jews, and all other people of faith.
I’m defending them.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:12 pmI am intolerant of mocking people’s faith, which is what you and Kay are doing.
You can say “I don’t believe in God” and that’s fine.
But when you call them idiots, and fools, and children believing in fairy tales, then yes, I am definitely intolerant of that.
As any true liberal or progressive would be.
:|
As any human being would be.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:13 pmFine. Believe in it. It’s your right and no one’s ever questioned that.
But when you authoritatively declare God does not exist, insulting anyone in here who believes he does, (i.e Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc), you are crossing the line from expressing personal belief to mocking and disrespecting the beliefs of others.
And that is the very definition of bigotry.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:16 pmLet’s be so “tolerant” that we let all our threads devolve into prayer meetings for evangelical homophobes, otherwise we’ll be sticking jews in ovens.
Pretty slippery slope there, Wayne.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:17 pmGo produce the comment that supports that lie or admit to being a liar.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pmI don’t see any religious people attacking you.
Other than the neocon trolls who we already know are bigots, I see no religious people in here attacking you.
And I never even hinted that they had a right to attack your beliefs.
Once more you lie.
And if you think I’m wrong big mouth, show us.
Show us the comments where someone in here is attacking your beliefs.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pmOh look. Moron number 3 is speaking up. Now we’ve got all the stooges singing.
Show me where I said anything about permitting “our threads devolve into prayer meetings for evangelical homophobes”.
That’s another outright lie.
I said to stop disrespecting their beliefs.
Which ANY true progressive would be appalled at.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:23 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
I’m defending them.
And this Christian appreciates it. I do however long for the old Usenet days when invoking Hitler terminated the thread.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pmHere’s the comment I made earlier that put Waynebro over the edge:
What the heck Waynebro! I mean, come on man! Lighten up.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:28 pmSimple minded fools are the seedlings of bigots.
And bigots are the saplings of Nazis.
It starts by selecting a group of people to ridicule and mock for their race, creed color or religion.
And eventually, that ridicule turns to something worse, which in turn turns into something worse.
When we stand idly by and watch the simple minded fools like RHF, and Kay and others, mocking and ridiculing people of faith, simply for their faith, then it is we who are on the slippery slope, to the next Holocaust.
Mocking people’s beliefs and faith is something no progressive would do.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:28 pmMartin Niemoller
May 4th, 2009 at 9:29 pmAddress to the US Congress
October 14, 1968
Another lie.
Go back and read my response.
I merely corrected you on the issue of his marriage.
Stop lying.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:32 pmMocking? THERE’S NO EFFING PROOF THAT JESUS EXISTED. JUST WORDS ON PAPER THAT HE DID. NO ONE KNOWS HIS LAST NAME, HOW LONG OR SHORT HIS HAIR WAS, HOW TALL HE WAS, WHAT COLOR WAS HIS HAIR, IF HE WAS FAT OR THIN, OR IF HE WORE OPEN TOED SHOES OR NONE AT ALL! I mean, really, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS MAN EXCEPT WHAT IS WRITTEN DOWN 2,000 YEARS AGO. Okay?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:33 pmKayInMaine Says:
God Says:
Well god, since I believe that when we die it’s LIGHTS OUT! and that’s it, I could care less about the magical heaven. See?
By the way, as asked in the movie “Religulous” by Bill Maher….what is taking Jesus so long to show up and appear before us all? Very good question. I mean, really, each generation for over 2,000 years says ‘He’s coming!’, but yet, Jesus doesn’t come and the planet is not peaceful. You’d think Jesus would have done this when he rose from the dead days after his death? Nope! Just a bunch of malarkey!
I am glad you admit, that this is what you “beleive”. As in some people “believe” in religions, others’ believe in something else.
But the key point is, this is your “belief system” whether your belief system is based on Bill Maher or Jesus Christ. Your belief system should have equal respect as to others you disagree with.
That’s what Waynebro was stating that its hopeful you dont own or work in a business where you discriminate based on your Bill Maher belief/religion against those belief in more traditionally held belief systems.
To really see the point, is not a referendum on what you personally believe based on what you expose yourself to, its a referendum on you not being hateful and discriminatory to other groups you disagree with.
That is I felt to leave my words with you
May 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pmWhy should we have to respect their beliefs when they are posting on a Progressive website, which clearly does not state promoting religion as a goal? Religion isn’t really even the subject of the thread. Why shouldn’t anyone who wants to promote their religious beliefs here be fair game? If you don’t hold their beliefs to be sacred, why should you pretend otherwise?
No one here is suggesting that people be persecuted for their religious beliefs—YOU, Wayne, are equating the criticism of religious beliefs with persecution.
I call bulls*it.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pmIf Jesus was truly the son of gawd, then why didn’t someone save his manger he was born in? Huh? What about the stone in front of his tomb? Wouldn’t that have been something to save to after the earth was greeted by such a powerful man? And what about his clothes? How come they weren’t saved, valued and protected all these years?
Maybe it’s because he didn’t exist?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pmTalk to Waynebro. He’s the one whose skull cracked in two when I questioned why Jesus wasn’t married when it was you who said that marriage is a heterosexual gift. Then I said Jesus didn’t exist and out came an alien out of his head!!!! He’s now saying we are hateful and bigoted for questioning Jesus. Apparently without a shred of proof, this is all the christians need to believe he existed, rose from the dead, and that Jesus has been waiting for 2000 years to reappear just to keep the faith going that he’s coming!
May 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pmUsh! I couldn’t even read what his fakeass has to say. The headliner is more than enough.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pmWrong. Lots of the things we believe in historically there isn’t solid “proof” of.
Science works on “evidence”, and there is that, something you’d know if you weren’t a frantic, foaming at the mouth all caps bigot.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pmAnd Wayne, why doesn’t the criticism of religious belief count in your monumentally noble crusade for “free speech”? Why are you trying to silence non-believers?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pmThat’s the second time you’ve tried to sell that lie.
And since you won’t stop lying Kay, I’ll prove what a liar you are.
Here is your comment.
And here’s my comment that you are painting as “over the edge”.
So now everyone sees that you’re lying Kay.
Because everyone sees what I actually said, in relation to your lie about it.
I simply corrected you and said NOTHING that could be construed as ‘over the edge’.
Stop lying.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:50 pmI have neither the power nor desire to “silence” anyone.
Another complete lie from another liar, trying to justify the outright evil that is bigotry based on a persons beliefs.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pmGod Says:
Its a referendum on you not being hateful and discriminatory to other groups you disagree with.
___________
On the other hand, when some fundies want to claim the Earth is only 6,000 years old and there were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark, it’s almost impossible to listen to THAT nonsense w/out falling down laughing.
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html
Check out that link, God, and tell you can take that w/ a straight face.
I dare you.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pmJesus doesn’t exist. All “proof” has been found to be fake.
Provide some links proving that Jesus exists, Waynebro! I’ve asked you this question plenty of times in this thread, but you’ve provided nothing. If scientiest/scholars/historians have proof, then please provide a link to it. I don’t want to read either, “According to my theory…” by any of these people!
Okay, going to bed. I’ll check back tomorrow to read your proof.
I’m not lying either. Stop saying that. Just because I don’t believe in your Jesus or your gawd doesn’t mean I’m a liar. It means I’m rational! LOL!
YOU’RE THE LIAR WITH NO PROOF.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pmWut? That moron has kids? Boy i feel for them!
RT
May 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pmWhats hiding on your PC?
You three stooges can dig your pit as deep as you want but soon, others in here are going to see what I saw a long time ago.
That your motives were never to “help” the left to anything other than helping them to look stupid.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pmHello, i have a question thats a little O/T, but im just curious. I would like an educated womans input.My fellow libs like Kay,Katy in Maine,Spencers Mom,Jane,and the rest of the ladies here. Is Joe the plumber (without a licsense) the type of man that an educated woman would like to be married to?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pmAnd here was my response back to you, Wayneboro, upthread…you know…the part you didn’t post to “prove your point that I’m a liar”:
Your skull cracked in two after this comment. You have tried to convince me that Jesus existed and you’ve yet posted a link to this truth. You’ve not recommended a book either that HAS PICTURES OF OBJECTS OWNED BY JESUS WHEN HE WALKED THE EARTH!
This is why Jesus’ story ends with his spirit flying up to the heavens, because he never existed and was just a fairytale. LOL
May 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pmKay you’re scum.
I know you’re not really what and who you pretend to be, because NO ONE could take my words as many times now as I’ve stated clearly that I never, ever suggested that he did live, just that there was “evidence”.
Yet for some reason, you keep desperately and frantically trying to insist I defend a position I never took.
Show me Kay, where I said anything about there being PROOF that he existed. I said “evidence”.
And if you’d gotten out of the 6th grade, you’d know that proof and “evidence” are two completely different things.
But you’re apparently too illiterate to know the difference.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pmSo calling people ’stooges’ because they don’t agree with your warped sense of reality is all the proof we need that jesus is with you and he existed?
You’re an a*s. Go tell gawd I said so!!!!!
You’re not a progressive or a liberal or even a Democrat. You’re just a pathetic person who believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Christian religion. I feel sorry for ya…I really do. You scare me.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pmYou’re a two bit liar.
Prove it.
Where’s my comments where I tried to “convince you he existed”.
Prove it liar. Show us the comments.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
On the other hand, when some fundies want to claim the Earth is only 6,000 years old and there were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark, it’s almost impossible to listen to THAT nonsense w/out falling down laughing.
I’ve always thought God finds that funny too…who are we to tell him how long a “day” is?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pmThe point being is, unless you have a God’s view and omnipotent. Then none you bashers know the truth. Its all simply what you “believe”
That’s what its all about when it comes to freedom of religion and speech. No one knows anything for sure. Thats fundamental. You’d have to be God to have that perspective.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pmwiley Says:
Why are you trying to silence non-believers?
_________
Good point…
May 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
You three stooges…
________
Gee… if I didn’t know better, I’d say someone is resorting to ad hominems here…
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pmNo stupid, try to keep up.
Here. I’ll try to dumb it down for you since this is only the 10th time I’ve said it.
You’re a stooge, because you’re lying about me.
I’m an agnostic dumbass.
I never ever suggested he lived. I said there was “evidence”.
And yet you keep lying and trying to claim I’m a Christian, and claiming I said there was “proof” that he lived, although I never said that.
And all you have to do to prove me wrong is repost the comment where I said there was proof he lived.
Something you can’t do, because I never said it.
Which makes you a liar and a stooge.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pmGod is just an imaginary friend for grownups.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pmSo, according to Waynebro, ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS ARE WELCOME IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
A-hole. You truly are.
WHERE’S YOUR LINKS BY THE WAY PROVING THAT JESUS EXISTED AND THERE’S PROOF EVERYWHERE!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pmsscncturn64 Says:
Is Joe the plumber (without a licsense) the type of man that an educated woman would like to be married to?
No, and I don’t know anyone who would marry him, even amoung those of me friends who did not pursue education beyond high school. He’s an ignorant opportunist, not an attractive combination.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:06 pmSo they tell me to “F@#K OFF” call me every name under the sun, and you pull out “stooges” and accuse me of ad hominem attacks?
I’m addressing their comments and if slip in a barb or two it’s justified in response to the lies and constant insults, profanities and endless names I’m being called.
Better make that the four stooges, so I can include you.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:06 pmGod is commenting on a TP thread?
This seems to me to be quite a coup. I just hope He doesn’t turn out to be a wingnut fundie.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:07 pmToo bad God couldn’t have shown up earlier, when Daryll was here.
It would have been fun to watch God tell Daryll to quit judging others as sinful. Of course, Daryll would convince himself that it wasn’t really God.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:09 pmIs there no limit to your stupidity Kay?
Are you really so incredibly stupid, that you don’t know what an agnostic is?
Are you really so incredibly stupid?
Are do you have other motives?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pmFunny.
The Kay in Maine that used to post on Lydia’s blog claimed to be a Christian.
:|
Guess you switched, huh?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
God is commenting on a TP thread?
This seems to me to be quite a coup.
And it will so P.O. the far right evangelicals.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pmYOU’RE THE STOOGE ON THIS THREAD WHO KEEPS STANDING UP FOR JESUS’ EXISTENCE, THEREFORE, YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT HE DID EXIST.
How’s that stooge? Easy to understand or do I need to grab a bible & a scholar of your choice for you to understand better?
I get this from the trolls all the time on my blog. They’ll say things like…
“Liberals suck! Kay sucks! Republicans rule!”, and then I’ll say, “Let me guess….you voted for George Bush both times?”, and they’ll say back, “I’m not a republican Kay! I’m an independent!”, and I’ll ask who they voted for and they’ll say, “George Bush. No way could I ever vote for a Democrat!”.
You’re basically a troll, Waynebro, who is saying you didn’t distincly say you supported Jesus’ existence, but yet, you’ve spent a whole thread telling us he does by saying there are tons of evidence to prove it and want us to believe that you are not supporting this at all!
I’m done.
Nite all.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pmHere Kay.
I’ll just can a response for you from now on until your thick cranium can absorb it.
I never said there was proof.
I never said there was proof.
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I never said there was proof.
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I never said there was proof.
I never said there was proof.
I never said there was proof.
I never said there was proof.
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I never said there was proof.
I never said there was proof.
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I never said there was proof.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pmRalph the wonder locust
Here is my response to your query
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1HcfFqX_14
May 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pmNo troll, I never did.
I spoke OUT against you and the other inbred bigot, RHF, for ridiculing people of faith.
And I’ll do it again, the next time you or another big mouthed bigot does it.
Got it troll?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pmWRONG LIAR! I’ve been an Atheist ever since I was a little girl of 7 and the minister came out of the church with a “picture of Jesus in the heavens in a stormy sky” (the picture of Jesus was grotesquely taped to the sky!) to prove to me that Jesus existed! My mother and father refused to bring us back and said to us girls that we will believe what we want to believe. I’VE NOT BELIEVED IN GAWD OR JESUS EVER SINCE. THE WHOLE THING IS BULLSH*T AND THOSE WHO PREACH THIS CRAP EVERY WEEK ARE ALSO BULLSH*T.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:14 pmAnd I never said there was a “ton” of evidence.
Here troll. Here’s what I said, proving what a liar you are.
Now.
Find the comment in there where I said he existed.
Find the comment where I said there was “tons” of proof.
You’ve spent the entire evening claiming I said “there is proof”.
But now we all see the truth of what I actually said.
And it’s not even remotely close to your foul mouthed lies.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pmYou disrespected my belief by saying that because christians believe Jesus existed I am not allowed to say anything to the contrary:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Waynebro, you continue to believe in Jesus and the right for the trolls to be heard here on Think Progress. Your love will be so appreciated! Before you know it, this place will be a right wing hangout!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:18 pmYea, Seig Heil to you too.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pmI will continue to question Jesus’ existence just to make you Fundies react, because you all know any “evidence” is just crap.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:20 pmStill lying?
Point to the sentence or phrase where I said that.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:20 pmKay In Maine:
WRONG LIAR! I’ve been an Atheist ever since I was a little girl of 7 and the minister came out of the church with a “picture of Jesus in the heavens in a stormy sky” (the picture of Jesus was grotesquely taped to the sky!) to prove to me that Jesus existed! My mother and father refused to bring us back and said to us girls that we will believe what we want to believe. I’VE NOT BELIEVED IN GAWD OR JESUS EVER SINCE. THE WHOLE THING IS BULLSH*T AND THOSE WHO PREACH THIS CRAP EVERY WEEK ARE ALSO BULLSH*T.
God loves you and welcomes you into happiness and love. Leave the hate behind you. You can walk a righteous path with me by your side in times of trouble. God will always be with you. If you can let go of the pain, the childhood experiences, your anger. There is a better path to walk my child. A path of tolerance, a path of redemption and a path to true happiness in this life and the next.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:21 pmYou dont have to ‘believe’ what others have convinced you of. You can find peace and love in this world. Find God, he has already found you
I saw Jesus once back in 1980, it was a friday night and my friends and i just dropped a hit of acid. He had a purple haze all around him. It was beautiful.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:21 pmGo on Kay.
Point to the sentence or phrase where I said that.
I just reposted the entire comment too, to prove what a liar you are.
Show me which words equate to this.
I’m waiting.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm“The important thing is to not disrespect the beliefs of others, but instead focus on what they actually do.”
I DON’T BELIEVE IN JESUS, CHRISTIANITY, THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS CRAP. Please respect this. I don’t care what the “evidence” says….there is no REAL evidence! The End.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pmYou’re saying to me that I have to respect christians who believe, because otherwise, I’m being ‘mean to the big tent’. LOL F8ck off, Waynebro!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:23 pm” He also declared that he would never let his gay “friends” “anywhere near my children:”
May 4th, 2009 at 10:24 pmI would never let my children anywhere near his “Christian” friends or Joe the Plumber…..talk about strange!
I’ve encountered stupid in here.
And I’ve encountered liars.
But I’ve never seen such a stupid liar, as you (other than maybe RHF) who would continually call an agnostic, a “FUNDIE”.
I’m an agnostic as I’ve repeatedly stated, not that I owe any explanation of personal belief to a piece of crap like you.
And all your lies to contrary only make you look like a bigger liar and even bigger moron.
You’re probably too stupid to know what the word agnostic even means.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:25 pmCourse it’s typical of you and RHF and bigots like you, who mock religious people and think yourselves superior for it.
You can’t debate with an agnostic, so you have to just invent a religion for the agnostic, so you can more easily debate it.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:26 pmOnce more scumbag, where did I say that?
Huh?
Show us the quote.
Stop “inventing” what I said and post the comment.
I said “tolerance”.
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Course once more you’re probably too ignorant to know what the word means.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:28 pmI never asked anyone to “respect” anything.
I just said stop “disrespecting” them, and their beliefs.
No progressive, and no liberal mocks another for their beliefs.
That’s for bigots and pigs.
Liberals and progressives know better.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:31 pmKayInMaine Says:
“The important thing is to not disrespect the beliefs of others, but instead focus on what they actually do.”
I DON’T BELIEVE IN JESUS, CHRISTIANITY, THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS CRAP. Please respect this. I don’t care what the “evidence” says….there is no REAL evidence! The End.
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May 4th, 2009 at 10:32 pm`
You will like most who say that, when you get terminal cancer. You will think a bit more clearly as to what it all means and realize. There is no evidence, its made up words just like you argue about religions that you have spent a lifetime hating.
But when you face mortality after you are given your breast cancer diagnosis and that it has metastasized and can only be slowed buy not stopped.
Yes, I see all and your future. You will then turn into a new person and understand what others have been discussing and find your religion and you will find me, God, who will help you through that.
Because then you will learn what faith is and how you will need it then.
Dony that faith does not exist, is to deny that you breathe air or eat food to live. It is real and you will need more than anything at the end of your life fighting cancer
sscncturn64 Says: Is Joe the plumber (without a licsense) the type of man that an educated woman would like to be married to?
No, I’d say he’d be more likely to be attracted to someone like Michelle Bachmann, and perhaps several sheep.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:39 pmresearcher Says:
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you can bet the family pet that this guy has some queer feelings of his own towards men.
now the bible it also says he should put to death those that worked on sunday.
joe is going to be a very busy man on sundays.
christianity died on the cross.
this man is not about love but hate and fear the main attributes of the repub party.
dont get confused there are a lot of joe americans out there look how many votes mc war got in the last election.
we are a very dangerous society. very dangerous to the world.
we killed one million vietnamese and did not bat an eye for them. 90% of americans did not even know who the viet cong were.
we have destroyed iraq and its people. 4 million displaced iraqis and americans could give a hoot.
never met an american yet that has cared for the iraqis and what we have done to them.
now afghan will be obama’s vietnam wait and see.
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This is so true….and then the people get distracted by the distractors…hmmmm………
May 4th, 2009 at 10:39 pmWell I wasn’t defending just Christianity, but you’re welcome.
I was defending people of ALL faiths.
And as for Hitler, terminating the discussion when he’s mentioned is the best way for another one to rise up.
Nazi Germany didn’t rise up from Panzers running over Poland.
It started with a handful of BIGOTS, sitting around a Berlin Beer Hall mocking people of a particular faith, i.e. the Jews and other ethnic and religious groups.
It was “all in good fun”, and it was “harmless” and just “free expression”.
And out of that grew the Holocaust, where 6 Million European Jews were slaughtered in the streets and in the deathcamps.
Because a few scumbags like these thought it was funny to mock and ridicule someone for their religious belief.
It starts small, but it never ends that way.
And THATS why we should never be afraid to look at the obvious comparisons to Hitler and the rise of Nazi Germany, and the seeds of evil we sow within our own ranks.
Lest it ever happen again.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:42 pmLook at it this way.
Joe the Plumber, mocks Gays.
RHF, Kay and other Bigots in here, mock people of faith.
If the former is evil, how can the latter not be?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:43 pmThat wasn’t Jesus; that was Jimi Hendrix.
Some would say the difference is negligible, but still, it’s important to be accurate.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pmPoeple can get into arguments over wether they believe in Jesus or their god. The same goes for most wars around the world, religious beleifs. The thing that makes it hard to believe in a god who loves and cares about everyone on this planet is the evil that exists. How many millions of dollars have churches paid out in lawsuits because preists and ministers molested little boys and girls? How can a god let children be raped and murdered. How many children go to bed every night hungry? There is to much evil to think that theres a god who cares. I know about its mans doing and god doesnt interfere. Is there a reason why god lets these things to continue? I have an open mind,i would like to hear someone who believes to give me some insight.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:45 pmAnd actually from what I understand Xtianity never had anything to do with the figure (whether real or not) called Jesus of Nazareth. It was all politics. Jesus “the character” never said anything about homosexuality, abortion or most issues that have the right wing going into hysterics. It’s all a ploy. And the darryl, rapture ready, lookingforsomething troll is not real.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:45 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Look at it this way.
Joe the Plumber, mocks Gays.
RHF, Kay and other Bigots in here, mock people of faith.
If the former is evil, how can the latter not be?
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If the past as nothing to do with the present, then the present does not having to do with the future.
God
May 4th, 2009 at 10:46 pmsscncturn64 Says:
Hello, i have a question thats a little O/T, but im just curious. I would like an educated womans input.My fellow libs like Kay,Katy in Maine,Spencers Mom,Jane,and the rest of the ladies here. Is Joe the plumber (without a licsense) the type of man that an educated woman would like to be married to?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I think that I can speak for the rest of the ladies here: HELL, NO! Yeesh! I couldn’t stand to live with a stoopid for the rest of my life, why do you think I married Wayne? (Besides, as Jessica Rabbit said, “He makes me laugh.”)
May 4th, 2009 at 10:47 pmThis has nothing to do with arguments about the validity of the man Jesus.
It has nothing to do with doctrine or evidence.
This whole debate, is about whether WE as “progressives” think it’s ok to ridicule people of faith, and to ridicule their faith.
And of course, any thinking adult, knows that it is.
It is not only wrong, it’s evil.
Just as evil as when Joe the plumber and other Neoconservatives, ridicule Gays and Lesbians simply over their sexual preference.
When you MOCK and RIDICULE someone for their beliefs or sexual preferences, then what you are doing, is evil.
No two ways about it.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pmAnd anyone dumb enough, to believe that it is ok to mock and ridicule people and their beliefs, is just as low brow and bigoted as the dirtbag they call Joe the Plumber.
They are one and the same.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:50 pmMay 4th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I’m a little disappointed. I expected God to have a better facility with language. Ah, well, I guess English is not His native tongue. And I’m willing to accept that the message God is seeking to impart to us his children is too beautiful for our ears, and there are not words to express its truth.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pmWaynebro – I agree with you. I believe it is worthy to be open to all people. You have been making some very valid points over the last few days about the meaning of progressive. And I agree. That is why I think it is better to not engage the obvious trolls – the ones striving for attention. The best parenting I ever did was ignoring annoying, attention getting behavior. It works.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:54 pmraplh the wonder locust Says:
And I’m willing to accept that the message God is seeking to impart to us his children is too beautiful for our ears, and there are not words to express its truth.
(((Hugs from a member of the locust clan))))
May 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
I’m a little disappointed. I expected God to have a better facility with language. Ah, well, I guess English is not His native tongue. And I’m willing to accept that the message God is seeking to impart to us his children is too beautiful for our ears, and there are not words to express its truth.
I am a loving God and I accept your disappointment. As God, I control everything and there is a method to my madness as I work in several dimensions and time is not a variable for me. It’s all part of it all. I control everything, part of the job description, even what chemicals fire in which neuron in your illusionary brain that creates what reality you see and perceive.
So dont be disappointed in God, it is afterall, created in your mind.
By God
Someday, you will find wisdom in life. You will settle down, you will see the beauty around you and how great it is that people can have a different opninion of you. And just when you realize that. You will realize God and you wont fear death or anything.
You will find peace by walking with God, who wears many masks, God created everything, every religion, every point of view. Its only put there for you to argue about for reason, that is to sharpen the mind a bit.
Soon, when it is sharpened, you will find God who has always been beside you and always will be. And you will find faith and happiness
May 4th, 2009 at 11:00 pmPoint taken.
It’s just these three don’t present themselves as trolls, but instead pretend to be bastions of progressivism.
Which clearly they are not. And the problem is others in here too, those who should know better, and who I KNOW are smarter and wiser than that, side with them, and do it too.
It’s a long standing problem in here and other liberal and progressive blogs where people of faith are ridiculed, harassed and driven out. Or they sit in the background too afraid to speak up for fear of being flamed by the very people whose political ideologies they share.
Its time for more progressives to stand up on this issue of religious persecution and religious prejudice and bigotry, before the left becomes indiscernible from the right. You don’t have to be religious to stand up for religious tolerance. You just have to not be a bigot.
Without tolerance for people of all faiths we have no union.
We have no mandate.
All we have then is a bunch of bigots, talking about how much better than everyone else they are.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:01 pmSo WAYNEBRO is BARTLEBEE I guess.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pmWhat does that have to do with anything Shayne?
Are you saying that you are for religious intolerance and bigotry?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:07 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1HcfFqX_14
May 4th, 2009 at 11:09 pmWhy do some feel the need to make this about me?
Why is the issue so difficult for them to confront?
Religious bigotry is no different than bigotry against sexual preference.
How can ANYONE condemn Joe the Plumber for condemning Gays and Lesbians, and then turn around in the same thread and endorse the exact same thing, against people of faith?
I can’t imagine the level of absolute hypocrisy that would require.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:09 pmI didn’t say it had anything to do with anything. I was just stating the obvious.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pmJoe the Plumber has Children????????????????
THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 11:15 pmWhen I stand up for republican trolls right to speak, I’m not standing up for them.
I’m standing for the principal of free speech we all claim to hold dear.
I’m standing up for all of us.
And when I stand up for people of faith, I’m not standing up for them, but standing against BIGOTRY.
Something that last I checked, is NOT a liberal or progressive principal.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:15 pmFirst of all this man has no gay friends. He has people he knows that may be gay. But he is not a friend.
Second, if this man found a woman to have sex with, it must have been done in the dark. She must have met him in the dark, and mated with him, with the lights out. Or she must have been dead drunk and unable to comprehend who he was. She would have to have had a frontal lobotomy to continue.
Unfortunately, these are the kind of people that continue to breed. Imagine bringing a little Joe or Josephine into the world. We never seem to run out of these people. And the conservative movement is filled with them. His prime characteristic is ignorance and lack of education of the most basic kind.
As long as the GOP has those of his kind, can their demise be far behind. For that reason alone, I hope he continues to speak for them.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:18 pmSo why in the face of bigotry, would you focus on me, instead of the debate.
We’re in thread, attacking Joe the Plumber for being a BIGOT.
And rightfully so.
Yet you ignore the bigotry in our own ranks, and concentrate on me and what you think you may or may not know about me?
Why?
There’s an issue on the table. It’s bigotry.
It’s what the thread is about. It’s about being bigots with regards to peoples sexual preferences.
And yet so many sit by, and watch their friends spread the same bigotry towards people over their religious preference.
Sexual preference.
Religious preference.
Neither are reasons to mock, ridicule or persecute someone.
Yet we denounce the former, and tolerate, and in many cases, embrace the latter.
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Am I the only one who sees how wrong this is?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:20 pmThen he’d better stop hanging around Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 11:20 pmYawn!….P.B. & J
May 4th, 2009 at 11:32 pmThe coolest gods are the ones with extra limbs and animal parts… Oh and blue ones too. Blue is a good god color…
May 4th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI like blue deities. Blue is good.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:41 pmWhat about the Jews who went into the death camps, they were sure dumb huh?
Let’s just mock them for a while, and their beliefs.
Let’s call them crazy, and fools.
Let’s say that everyone in the state of Israel, who believes God established the state, or wanted them too, is a fool.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:44 pmBecause WAYNEBRO we were all discussing JTP and then you got here and made the who topic about your agenda.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:45 pmHey, and that’s what all us good “progressives” stand for, huh?
Religious intolerance.
It’s a progressive value.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:45 pmWithout tolerance for people of all faiths we have no union.
We have no mandate.
All we have then is a bunch of bigots, talking about how much better than everyone else they are.
When these same people use their faith as a weapon, they abuse their faiths, and creeds. Such people are ripe for ridicule, for their blatant hypocrisy. To say that such must also have a seat at the table poisons the polity.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:45 pmNo. I didn’t.
Try reading. I spoke out after several of the self professed erudite “regulars” mocked people of faith in a thread that is about bigotry.
Then RHF started with his babbling rants and a few others kicked in. If you’re saying I should just fold my position and buckle cause you don’t know how to use a scroll button, forget it. I don’t take instructions from you.
And the absolute HUBRIS, of anyone in here claiming to be a progressive, in a thread that is condemning bigotry based on “sexual preference” while endorsing, condoning or tolerating bigotry based on “religious preference” is absurd.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pmThe same little one liners mocking people’s Gods and deities, are identical to the one liners I can go hear in a right wing blog mocking gays and lesbians.
For a person to sit here in a thread, about bigotry based on sexual preference while expressing the same bigotry against people over religious preference, is ludicrous.
I can’t believe I have to even say this.
I am ashamed I have to say this, and any of you engaging in this sort of bigotry should be ashamed. And don’t dare call yourself progressive if that’s what you do.
Because you haven’t a clue what the word means.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:53 pmTry reading. I spoke out after several of the self professed erudite “regulars” mocked people of faith in a thread that is about bigotry.
You seem anxious to load “people of faith” into a single pigeonhole, when the reality is wildly different. Those who profess their faiths in these forums do so at their own risk.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:54 pmbarfly Says:
Without tolerance for people of all faiths we have no union.
We have no mandate.
All we have then is a bunch of bigots, talking about how much better than everyone else they are.
When these same people use their faith as a weapon, they abuse their faiths, and creeds. Such people are ripe for ridicule, for their blatant hypocrisy. To say that such must also have a seat at the table poisons the polity.
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.Everyone has a seat at Gods table. You are all my children, you will only dance on this earth for a short wild. To demonize and destroy with no standards.
Then it cannot work. Without mutual respect that we are all my children, who must also respect all opinions, even when you disagree with it.
Thats the only way your earth will work. To join the site of hatred, its not one side or the other. its simply the side of hatred. There is good on every side, except the side that rationalizes hatred.
The other sides that fight against hatred, they are righteous. You can always find God and i will stand by you and lead you into the right path. You have to believe, that hatred is wrong.
Search for the good, find happiness. Dont engage in behaviors that lead you to the bad. YOu CAN be happy and no matter what be successful as you define it.
Dont covet!
You can overcome, but it starts with your own heart. Clear it of hatred and you will wake up tomorrow with a new day. A brand new day where anything truly is possible if you just let go of what has been ingrained in you!
Go to church, find people who try and wash away their sins rather than perpetuate them
THen you really will see the beauty of the most free-est country the world has ever known. And with the friends and support of like-minded positive people. You will live the life you deserve, full with happiness.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:56 pmAnd dont let anyone tell you different!
What same people? Are you so dense you think I’m defending the neoconservative Christians who are neither conservative or Christian?
Did you bother to READ the dozen or so posts where I condemned their actions?
Or the thousands I’ve posted over the years?
Criticizing their hypocrisy with regards to their religion is not in debate here. No one questioned that and no ones talking about that.
MOCKING those faiths as a whole, and the idea of a belief in a deity is all I addressed so don’t fabricate straw arguments for me.
I’ve had enough straw arguments for one night.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:57 pmIf people were mocking their hypocrisy, I’d have said nothing.
But they’re not.
They’re mocking the faiths of BILLIONS, and when you want more people in your ranks, that’s a stupid thing to do.
Not to mention and ugly, bigoted hypocritical thing to do.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:58 pmGee Wayne, maybe no one is as pure and noble as you.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:58 pmClearly.
Just like the Jews in the Berlin Beer Halls.
When you’re in a room full of bigots, you have to watch your step.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:59 pmAnd the absolute HUBRIS, of anyone in here claiming to be a progressive, in a thread that is condemning bigotry based on “sexual preference” while endorsing, condoning or tolerating bigotry based on “religious preference” is absurd.
Faith is a choice. Sexual orientation is another matter. You would equate the two? Or is your progressive view that sexuality is also a choice?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:59 pmNever said I was slick.
In fact it’s frightening to think I’m one of the only ones in here who is not a religious, racial or sexual bigot.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:00 amGee you’re right. The Jews had it coming, huh?
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So did the JW’s, and the Catholics, and the Protestants huh?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:03 amThat’s right, Wayne. You’re the only one. You should get a ribbon.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:03 amwiley Says:
Gee Wayne, maybe no one is as pure and noble as you.
Well ahem, there is one deity a bit more pure and noble.
Anyways, everyone complains I dont visit and change sport’s teams outcomes.
I gots to run now. I havea universe to look over. Ill always be beside you and nice arguments wayne
ta
May 5th, 2009 at 12:04 amta
Ok.
Do I have to wear it on my shirt so you guys can distinguish me?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:06 amSee Barfly, if you understood the prejudice you pretend to speak out against, you’d know that in the United States, it is illegal to discriminate because of race, creed, color or RELIGION.
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It doesn’t say anything about the religious deserving to be persecuted because they “chose” to be that way.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:07 amOh look, moron number 1’s back.
With nothing to say other than attacking ME.
No argument.
No position.
Just juvenile insults with no accompanying substance.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:10 amHmmm… I guess when I thought i saw beauty around me, I was just fooling myself, because God says I WILL reach that point, which tells me I haven’t reached it yet.
Either that, or this character isn’t really an omniscient God…
Damn, this limited consciousness is really getting to be a drag.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:10 ambarfly Says:
Faith is a choice. Sexual orientation is another matter. You would equate the two? Or is your progressive view that sexuality is also a choice?”
Barfly,
Some sects of Christianity believe that they are chosen by God aka “elect”, This is called Calvinism among other things. Just an FYI
May 5th, 2009 at 12:11 amYou people better take a good long look at this thread.
Look long and hard, because whoever’s seeing this, is seeing what progressives really stand for.
And now several of you “regulars” have piled on, endorsing the concept of religious persecution and bigotry.
In a thread, condemning sexual persecution and bigotry.
The contrast is stark, clear, and glaring to anyone not as prejudiced and bigoted as you.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:13 amSo did the JW’s, and the Catholics, and the Protestants huh?
I’m done with your smarmy patronistic attitude. You just ducked my question about sexual preference, is it because your answer would undo your carefully constructed narrative?
Is being gay the same as being religious? Do you consider both to be personal choices?
I’ll leave you, and the rest of the posters to ponder how progressive a person is, who would equate a personal choice (even if it has been the personal choice of his family for generations), with a genetic predisposition.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:14 amAll lies from the idiot who calls an agnostic a religious zealot.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:15 am#
Good, because I’ve had about enough of your lowbrow ignorant bigotry and pile on mentality.
I could care less what you think jackass. YOU talked to me, remember?
Don’t like it? Don’t open your big fat mouth to me.
Clear it up any?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:16 amhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
May 5th, 2009 at 12:17 amYou mean “high horse”?
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As for the filthy piece of street trash, you must have me confused with a member of your family.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:17 amLats one:
Some sects of Christianity believe that they are chosen by God aka “elect”, This is called Calvinism among other things. Just an FYI
Still a choice to believe or not to believe. Has there never been a Calvinist that rejected his teaching, and chose another path?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:18 amHi, Waynebro, um, how was your day?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:19 amClear it up any?
Oh, another internet bully. And masquerading as a progressive.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:20 amSays the raging lunatic in all caps and profanities, lol.
And as I suspected, the moron doesn’t even know what the word means.
Agnostic is a broad term that spans from passive belief to passive disbelief and everything in between. Einstein called himself agnostic, as do many in history.
And like most agnostics, I feel the answers haven’t been provided by either side yet, and it’s up to the individual to believe what he wants.
Unfettered by frothing, bigoted morons like you.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:21 amSays the frothing all caps lunatic.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:23 amWell you’ve said that before but as usual you never live up to your word.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:23 amHi Jane.
Just fine.
Just sitting here in a thread that is condemning sexual bigotry listening to some of the “regulars” endorsing religious bigotry.
:)
How’s yours?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:25 amDont you idiots get it?
Waynebro has repeatedly not agreed with Christians. As God and my God’s point of view. I see that clearly.
What he is saying is dont criticize Joe the Plumber for doing exactly what you are doing to religious people.
If you all took math and learned how to do a story problem
Let the variable x represent gays.
The language is dont let x be descriminated against.
If you set variable x to represent Christians, muslims, jews etc.
The equation should be the same. Dont discriminate.
And whats so funny is how stupid and childish you are to someone just teach fundamental logic
I mean look at you idiots wrote? Hate speech that would make even the skinhead aryan nations proud
Check yourselves before you wreck yourselves. You are not progressive, you are not liberal. YOu are simply children whining with no logical basis for your points of view b/c you are so brainwashed.
Isnt the Daily Show on yet? You can watch Jon Stewart who has like 100 people scouring the internet looking for a person who took a job as a politician. Put themselves out there to help out
Then they find it. He plays the clip and pulls a silly face and audience sheeple applaud in unison.
Thats all he does There is no thinking, no rational discourse There is nothing but sheeple who think its cool to shout down people. With out ever stopping to understand the otherside
You got your marching orders Yet you do more to destroy a country on the brink of collapse for the fact you have never studied or took the time to understand.
Reread Waynebro’s posts in this thread. They were totally accurate, fair on point with a smattering of response to the heated verbal bs thrown at him b/c you children cant think past what type of tacobell burrito you want.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:27 amGrow up, think a bit. Then return to posting online
barfly Says:
Still a choice to believe or not to believe. Has there never been a Calvinist that rejected his teaching, and chose another path?”
I could ask has there never been a homosexual who rejected the life style and chose another path. To say that there is absolutely no choice involved in a gay lifestyle seems a bit absurd.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:28 amWell if you understood the scientific mind like you brag and boast about in here all the time, you’d know that no scientist commits himself to any doctrine, or theory until there is conclusive evidence to either prove or disprove it.
But thanks for showing that agnostics are not omitted from your realm of religious intolerance.
Should fools like you ever rise to power, we’ll know who to watch.
In the meantime, we have a President who believes in the God you bigots mock and ridicule.
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Go figure.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:29 amWhat I mean is, is that person still a homosexual?
just as much as, is that person still a christian?
Where is the choice on either?
Clarified just because I don’t want the whole “you think homosexuality is a choice?”, argument to start.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:31 amThanks God.
I might not believe in you but with wisdom like that I might start, lol.
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WAYNEBRO Says:
Thanks God.
I might not believe in you but with wisdom like that I might start, lol.
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God will always by your side and some day you may change your mind That is part of the process of enlightenment It doesnt start from A and go to Z at age 18.
Some folks gain true enlightenment with your path of knowledge,wisdom, patetience, virtue and after reading your posts> Did I mention patience.
There is a whole world of the new out there outside of logic. But logic is harder to give up once you learn it, but it can be abandoned with great enthusiasm on occasion.
At somepoint, you may believe, but, like everything you argued, is up to you
May 5th, 2009 at 12:42 amHas anyone ever seen Joe the Scab Plumbers wife? How come he’s not trotting her out for a dog and pony show?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:42 amHow’s yours?
Had a lazy day today. Hung around here a bit. I see you’ve been soapboxing again, huh? I’m agnostic, and view all organized religions with a hefty amount of skepticism. But I’m a live-and-let-live sort of person, so I don’t care what god a person believes in as long as they don’t try to force their religious beliefs on anyone else.
Have a good night, Waynebro.
You too, rhf and barfly. I’m going to bed.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:44 amYes, had to take the soapbox out again although I’d have preferred not to. Any sort of intolerance and bigotry usually force my hand unfortunately.
As for your agnostic views, ditto.
Too bad they’re not shared by those I’ve been “soapboxing” on tonight?
May 5th, 2009 at 12:53 amKayInMaine,
Just reading through this thread and I have to say, your assessment that the historical man, Jesus of Nazareth never lived is absurd and disagrees with every viable historian.
Read a book, even atheists like Dawkins acknowledge that Christ existed.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:05 amA wise man once told me that life comes down to three things:
1) What you do to yourself
2) What you do to others
3) What others do to you
Joe the dumber did the following:
1) He made himself look like an idiot speaking about another group
2) He marginalized a group of people inviting outrage
3) He opened the door for others to rip him a new butt hole
Since God popped on this thread, I’ll ask him/her/it to weight in on the issue.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:12 amSo speaking out against and “marginalizing” a “group of people”, for example, lets say “religious people” for example, is something an idiot does.
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I see your point, and I wholeheartedly concur.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:23 amHey WAYNEBRO, I asked God to weight in ;) I forgive you for commenting though – hehe.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:30 amJust getting here…
I see we can now add to Sam’s list of achievements…
… Joe the homophobe!
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May 5th, 2009 at 1:39 am.
Dear God,
Hi brothabildo…
…Please leave.
I pray my prayers were attended to…
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May 5th, 2009 at 1:44 amrightwing-leftwing,
You left one out @#587…
… In the second list add:
4) His actions just justified another idiot stepping forward to join in on getting their “Hate-On”.
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May 5th, 2009 at 1:49 amIt is awfully annoying when you run into someone like Joe The Plummer who is wrong on every issue there ever was—-yet is 100% positive he is right because he “has God on his side”. It’s impossible to reason with them because it is impossible for God to be wrong.
How’s your plumbing business that makes a profit of over $250,000 a year going? What? You don’t have one? You mean it was all a big lie?
May 5th, 2009 at 2:20 amHello, Max Anax junius -1, God, brothabildo, brotha-whatever-you-are,
Thanks for your add on. However, in my opinion, hate is only justified in the mind of the person hating. Therefore, not on my list.
P.S. How’s the “Doctor” thing going for you? Save any one lately?
May 5th, 2009 at 2:40 amPS – Don’t pray for me either! I don’t want to change! =P
May 5th, 2009 at 3:25 amThoughts on this from a “Christian”:)
ChristianityToday and ‘Joe the Plumber’ Misrepresent the Christian Faith
May 5th, 2009 at 3:42 amhttp://bernardmoon.blogspot.com/2009/05/christianitytoday-and-joe-plumber.html
ZOMG! *opens up her toychest* I’m so there!
May 5th, 2009 at 3:53 amrightwing-leftwing,
Doctor thing?
You do know that I’m not the troll dildobro that goes around hijacking names and impersonates others. This God poster is that troll. The horizontal three dots are a dead giveaway. Maybe TP banned the old registration, I don’t know.
I sure wish they banned IP addresses instead.
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May 5th, 2009 at 4:18 amI used to work with some major fanatic xtian types. Their favorite thing to say was “you’ll be sorry when Jesus comes back!” Then one day I said in response “No I won’t! I’ll finally be rid of you bastards!”
May 5th, 2009 at 4:26 amDang I actually got moderated on here. =X Never thought I’d go too far. I sowwie.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:02 amJoe the Plumber – an arrogant, obnoxious, unlicensed, wannabee plumber who runs around America telling people how they should live their lives.
I have two words for Joe the “Skinhead Moron”. Get lost!!
May 5th, 2009 at 5:21 amSeeing as “Joe” not only looks like a child molester and he fits the mold of who rapes children the most, (straight white men), I suggest you Christian Republicans , and the rest of us, keep the children away from him and those like him.
Corey Mondello
May 5th, 2009 at 5:33 amBoston, Massachusetts
“If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great. I don’t know if I want to be a leader,” he said.”
He isn’t capable of INSPIRING ‘dogs to bark’, so which leaders want his ‘inspiration and on what issues’?? Unless these leaders are dumber than rocks, what exactly does he have to offer [oh, I forgot, some R's truly are dumber than rocks]? He’s incapable of speaking in complete sentences [no wonder he and Palin liked each other so much]! What a LUNATIC FRINGE LOSER.
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Simply amazing that this gigantic idiot is still being quoted by the MSM on anything other than how many burps he can glean from a case of Bud; how he thinks he has any relationship with God after representing the lying, smear laden face of GOP evil is beyond belief. Can someone not shove him back under the rock the Republicans found him under? This pillar of puke is the one who should be kept away from kids.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:40 am‘Sam is right. It is a perverted sin that must be cured. Should we allow man to marry beast, too? How about allowing man to marry numerous wives? NO! This is not Jesus’ will. Libs, read the bible.’
Read it yourself; it’s full of hypocrisies and myths. If you want to base your entire life on a fantasy be my guest; the rest of us prefer reality and sanity.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:45 am‘And homosexuals should be allowed to confuse children? Where are your morals.’
Confuse them how? By lying about their names and jobs? Oh right; that’s what your guy does. Joe the plumber, try Sam the liar.
Thump your bible somewhere else.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:48 am‘They are human-beings. But there is a difference between them and people like Sam and myself. They are blatant sinners, we are not.’
If you feel compelled to judge people based on your faith, let me remind you that you are not above the same treatment. If you are so concerned about other peoples’ ’sins’ perhaps you should spend a few minutes considering your own, which includes hate mongering, ignorance and self righteousness. People like you actually wonder why the Christian faith is losing ground in mainstream society? It’s because you continue to deplore anyone who isn’t enslaved by your vision of right and wrong, despite their doing no harm and passing no judgement on you and your ilk, all in the name of a ‘loving’ God that only condones YOUR behavior. Your hypocrisy is sickening.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:53 amYou can believe this. I do not. “The Magic Jesus” is not proof that Jesus existed. Oh, but you can go to church every weekend give your money in the name of him though! That’s fine with me. You can. I will not. Jesus did not create the earth nor did gawd, but again, you can believe anyone you want that he they did! I do not.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:58 amIf cancer is so horrible (which it is), then why would gawd even allow it to happen? To make people Christians and have faith that Jesus will save them? Oh please! We will all get really sick in our lives, because we’re human. It just goes with the species. When I face my own death someday, I will not be thinking about 72 virgins in the sky or white horses coming to pick me up! I’ll be thinking…my time here is almost over and then….LIGHTS OUT! Yes, I know, this is blasphemy to you Christians, because you’re so welcoming to all of who don’t believe in your fairytale.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:08 am‘How can ANYONE condemn Joe the Plumber for condemning Gays and Lesbians, and then turn around in the same thread and endorse the exact same thing, against people of faith?’
Because people of ‘faith’ who consistently use that idiom to castigate others have no true faith; they are hypocrites who disseminate hatred and loathing cloaked in Biblical tripe, and are thus worthy of condemnation.
Stomping someone to death for being a non-believer, while invoking a prayer for their soul doesn’t convince me that their ‘faith’ is as genuine as their utter intolerance for the fact the person they are stomping on didn’t share their brand of ‘faith.’
May 5th, 2009 at 8:12 amI find it extremely queer that people would actually listen to JTP.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:24 amsscncturn64 Says:
I saw Jesus once back in 1980, it was a friday night and my friends and i just dropped a hit of acid. He had a purple haze all around him. It was beautiful.
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That was the ghost of Jimi Hendrix you fool!
May 5th, 2009 at 8:36 amJoe needs to understand that the dictionary definition of “stupid” is “lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.” And the dictionary definition of “bigot” is ” One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.” So, if I call him a stupid bigot, it’s not a slur. I even have some stupis bigot friends, but I don”t let them anywhere near my children!
May 5th, 2009 at 9:14 amI seriously wonder why anyone rational would possibly think that the GOP will change from crap the likes of “Joe the Plunger”?
The GOP has GOD in their pocket and believes that they and only they know his mind. The GOP is a collective of “warriors for Jesus” who think they/he is under attack. They use hate, ignorance and fear to their best advantage and because of religion have the will to use it again and again.
The GOP and its supporters pump billions into sponsoring hate radio every year, raise 100 million in 100 days for Bush’s library and actively place Sessions as ranking member of the Judiciary.
They will never change because they truly believe they lost Nov 4th because they didn’t get their message out and weren’t conservative enough.
The GOP will never change! They will simply wait for something, anything to turn their way and then raise up louder and more hateful than ever before.
The only thing worse than the predictability of the GOP is the Democrats who roll over and play stupid for them.
Vigilance!
May 5th, 2009 at 9:38 am“To say that there is absolutely no choice involved in a gay lifestyle seems a bit absurd.” That’s true, but then again, no one made that claim.
The claim was made that one’s sexual orientation is not a choice, which is an entirely different thing than there is absolutely no choice involved in a gay lifestyle.
But nice strawman. I like the extra effort you went to in putting it in ass-less chaps.
Anyway, one can certainly make an argument that one is “born into” one’s faith life, that it is not truly chosen, but there are no scientific studies supporting this contention, as there are with sexual orientation. So as long as you keep the debate within the realm of opinion and speculation, you have a fighting chance. Once you move beyond that into actual evidence, either psychological or physiological, you’re kind of at a disadvantage.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:09 amGOD IS A LIGHT BULB, GOD IS A HEN.
GOD IS A BALLPOINT PEN.
-Church of the Sub-genius
May 5th, 2009 at 10:33 amAll,
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Kay in Maine:
You dont have any clue about where you formed your beliefs and just parrot others who may have bought you a drink to get into your huge stained panties one drunk evening. So I am loathe to engage in an epistemiological debate with a selfabsorebed neophyte with no education or attempt to think rationally
Epistemology (from Greek ???????? – episteme-, “knowledge, science” + ?????, “logos”) or theory of knowledge is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope (limitations) of knowledge. It addresses the questions:
* What is knowledge?
* How is knowledge acquired?
* What do people know?
* How do we know what we know?
* Why do we know what we know?
Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to similar notions such as truth, belief, and justification. It also deals with the means of production of knowledge, as well as skepticism about different knowledge claims.
The term was introduced into English by the Scottish philosopher James Frederick Ferrier (1808–1864).
Is knowledge a subset of that which is both true and believed? (See below)
Knowledge
Distinguishing knowing that from knowing how
In this article, and in epistemology in general, the kind of knowledge usually discussed is propositional knowledge, also known as “knowledge-that” as opposed to “knowledge-how.” For example: in mathematics, it is known that 2 + 2 = 4, but there is also knowing how to add two numbers. Many (but not all) philosophers therefore think there is an important distinction between “knowing that” and “knowing how”, with epistemology primarily interested in the former. This distinction is recognized linguistically in many languages, though not in modern Standard English (N.B. some languages related to English still do retain these verbs, as in Scots: “wit” and “ken”).[3]
In Personal Knowledge, Michael Polanyi articulates a case for the epistemological relevance of both forms of knowledge; using the example of the act of balance involved in riding a bicycle, he suggests that the theoretical knowledge of the physics involved in maintaining a state of balance cannot substitute for the practical knowledge of how to ride, and that it is important to understand how both are established and grounded.
In recent times, some epistemologists (Sosa, Greco, Kvanvig, Zagzebski) have argued that we should not think of knowledge this way.[citation needed] Epistemology should evaluate people’s properties (i.e., intellectual virtues) instead of propositions’ properties. This is, in short, because higher forms of cognitive success (i.e., understanding) involve features that can’t be evaluated from a justified true belief view of knowledge.
Belief
Often, statements of “belief” mean that the speaker predicts something that will prove to be useful or successful in some sense—perhaps the speaker might “believe in” his or her favorite football team. This is not the kind of belief usually addressed within epistemology. The kind that is dealt with is when “to believe something” simply means any cognitive content held as true. For example, to believe that the sky is blue is to think that the proposition “The sky is blue” is true.
Knowledge entails belief so the statement, “I know the sky is blue, but I don’t believe it”, is self-contradictory (see Moore’s paradox). On the other hand, knowledge about a belief does not entail an endorsement of its truth. For example, “I know about astrology, but I don’t believe in it” is perfectly acceptable. It is also possible that someone believes in astrology but knows virtually nothing about it.
Belief is a subjective personal basis for individual behavior, while truth is an objective state independent of the individual. On occasion, knowledge and belief can conflict producing “cognitive dissonance”.
Criteria of truth
Whether someone’s belief is true is not a prerequisite for someone to believe it. On the other hand, if something is actually known, then it categorically cannot be false. For example, a person believes that a particular bridge is safe enough to support them, and attempts to cross it; unfortunately, the bridge collapses under their weight. It could be said that they believed that the bridge was safe, but that this belief was mistaken. It would not be accurate to say that they knew that the bridge was safe, because plainly it was not. By contrast, if the bridge actually supported their weight then they might be justified in subsequently holding that he knew the bridge had been safe enough for his passage, at least at that particular time. For something to count as knowledge, it must actually be true.
The Aristotelian definition of truth states:
“To say of something which is that it is not, or to say of something which is not that it is, is false. However, to say of something which is that it is, or of something which is not that it is not, is true.”
Justification
Plato
Theaetetus (dialogue)
In Plato’s dialogue Theaetetus, Socrates considers a number of theories as to what knowledge is, the last being that knowledge is true belief that has been “given an account of”—meaning explained or defined in some way. According to the theory that knowledge is justified true belief, in order to know that a given proposition is true, one must not only believe the relevant true proposition, but one must also have a good reason for doing so. One implication of this would be that no one would gain knowledge just by believing something that happened to be true. For example, an ill person with no medical training, but a generally optimistic attitude, might believe that they will recover from their illness quickly. Nevertheless, even if this belief turned out to be true, the patient would not have known that they would get well since their belief lacked justification. The definition of knowledge as justified true belief was widely accepted until the 1960s. At this time, a paper written by the American philosopher Edmund Gettier provoked widespread discussion. See theories of justification for other views on the idea.
Gettier problem
In 1963 Edmund Gettier called into question the theory of knowledge that had been dominant among philosophers for thousands of years[4]. In a few pages, Gettier argued that there are situations in which one’s belief may be justified and true, yet fail to count as knowledge. That is, Gettier contended that while justified belief in a proposition is necessary for that proposition to be known, it is not sufficient. As in the diagram above, a true proposition can be believed by an individual but still not fall within the “knowledge” category (purple region).
According to Gettier, there are certain circumstances in which one does not have knowledge, even when all of the above conditions are met. Gettier proposed two thought experiments, which have come to be known as “Gettier cases,” as counterexamples to the classical account of knowledge. One of the cases involves two men, Smith and Jones, who are awaiting the results of their applications for the same job. Each man has ten coins in his pocket. Smith has excellent reasons to believe that Jones will get the job and, furthermore, knows that Jones has ten coins in his pocket (he recently counted them). From this Smith infers, “the man who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket.” However, Smith is unaware that he has ten coins in his own pocket. Furthermore, Smith, not Jones, is going to get the job. While Smith has strong evidence to believe that Jones will get the job, he is wrong. Smith has a justified true belief that a man with ten coins in his pocket will get the job; however, according to Gettier, Smith does not know that a man with ten coins in his pocket will get the job, because Smith’s belief is “…true by virtue of the number of coins in Smith’s pocket, while Smith does not know how many coins are in Smith’s pocket, and bases his belief…on a count of the coins in Jones’s pocket, whom he falsely believes to be the man who will get the job.” (see [4] p.122.) These cases fail to be knowledge because the subject’s belief is justified, but only happens to be true in virtue of luck.
Responses to Gettier
The responses to Gettier have been varied. Usually, they have involved substantive attempts to provide a definition of knowledge different from the classical one, either by recasting knowledge as justified true belief with some additional fourth condition, or as something else altogether.
Infallibilism, indefeasibility
In one response to Gettier, the American philosopher Richard Kirkham has argued that the only definition of knowledge that could ever be immune to all counterexamples is the infallibilist one.[citation needed] To qualify as an item of knowledge, so the theory goes, a belief must not only be true and justified, the justification of the belief must necessitate its truth. In other words, the justification for the belief must be infallible. (See Fallibilism, below, for more information.)
Yet another possible candidate for the fourth condition of knowledge is indefeasibility. Defeasibility theory maintains that there should be no overriding or defeating truths for the reasons that justify one’s belief. For example, suppose that person S believes they saw Tom Grabit steal a book from the library and uses this to justify the claim that Tom Grabit stole a book from the library. A possible defeater or overriding proposition for such a claim could be a true proposition like, “Tom Grabit’s identical twin Sam is currently in the same town as Tom.” So long as no defeaters of one’s justification exist, a subject would be epistemically justified.
The Indian philosopher B K Matilal has drawn on the Navya-Nyaya fallibilism tradition to respond to the Gettier problem. Nyaya theory distinguishes between know p and know that one knows p – these are different events, with different causal conditions. The second level is a sort of implicit inference that usually follows immediately the episode of knowing p (knowledge simpliciter). The Gettier case is analyzed by referring to a view of Gangesha (13th c.), who takes any true belief to be knowledge; thus a true belief acquired through a wrong route may just be regarded as knowledge simpliciter on this view. The question of justification arises only at the second level, when one considers the knowledgehood of the acquired belief. Initially, there is lack of uncertainty, so it becomes a true belief. But at the very next moment, when the hearer is about to embark upon the venture of knowing whether he knows p, doubts may arise. “If, in some Gettier-like cases, I am wrong in my inference about the knowledgehood of the given occurrent belief (for the evidence may be pseudo-evidence), then I am mistaken about the truth of my belief — and this is in accord with Nyaya fallibilism: not all knowledge-claims can be sustained.”
Reliabilism
Reliabilism is a theory that suggests a belief is justified (or otherwise supported in such a way as to count towards knowledge) only if it is produced by processes that typically yield a sufficiently high ratio of true to false beliefs. In other words, this theory states that a true belief counts as knowledge only if it is produced by a reliable belief-forming process.
Reliabilism has been challenged by Gettier cases. Another argument that challenges reliabilism, like the Gettier cases (although it was not presented in the same short article as the Gettier cases), is the case of Henry and the barn façades. In the thought experiment, a man, Henry, is driving along and sees a number of buildings that resemble barns. Based on his perception of one of these, he concludes that he has just seen barns. While he has seen one, and the perception he based his belief on was of a real barn, all the other barn-like buildings he saw were façades. Theoretically, Henry doesn’t know that he has seen a barn, despite both his belief that he has seen one being true and his belief being formed on the basis of a reliable process (i.e. his vision), since he only acquired his true belief by accident.[citation needed]
other responses
The American philosopher Robert Nozick has offered the following definition of knowledge:
S knows that P if and only if:
* P;
* S believes that P;
* if P were false, S would not believe that P;
* if P is true, S will believe that P. [6]
Nozick believed that the third subjunctive condition served to address cases of the sort described by Gettier. Nozick further claims this condition addresses a case of the sort described by D. M. Armstrong[7]: A father believes his son innocent of committing a particular crime, both because of faith in his son and (now) because he has seen presented in the courtroom a conclusive demonstration of his son’s innocence. His belief via the method of the courtroom satisfies the four subjunctive conditions, but his faith-based belief does not. If his son were guilty, he would still believe him innocent, on the basis of faith in his son; this would violate the third subjunctive condition.
The British philosopher Simon Blackburn has criticized this formulation by suggesting that we do not want to accept as knowledge beliefs which, while they “track the truth” (as Nozick’s account requires), are not held for appropriate reasons. He says that “we do not want to award the title of knowing something to someone who is only meeting the conditions through a defect, flaw, or failure, compared with someone else who is not meeting the conditions.”[citation needed]. In addition to this, externalist accounts of knowledge, like Nozick’s, are often forced to reject closure in cases where it is intuitively valid.
Timothy Williamson, has advanced a theory of knowledge according to which knowledge is not justified true belief plus some extra condition(s). In his book Knowledge and its Limits, Williamson argues that the concept of knowledge cannot be analyzed into a set of other concepts—instead, it is sui generis. Thus, though knowledge requires justification, truth, and belief, the word “knowledge” can’t be, according to Williamson’s theory, accurately regarded as simply shorthand for “justified true belief.”
Externalism and internalism
Main article: Internalism and externalism
Part of the debate over the nature of knowledge is a debate between epistemological externalists on the one hand, and epistemological internalists on the other. Externalists think that factors deemed “external,” meaning outside of the psychological states of those who gain knowledge, can be conditions of knowledge. For example, an externalist response to the Gettier problem is to say that, in order for a justified, true belief to count as knowledge, it must be caused, in the right sort of way, by relevant facts. Such causation, to the extent that it is “outside” the mind, would count as an external, knowledge-yielding condition. Internalists, contrariwise, claim that all knowledge-yielding conditions are within the psychological states of those who gain knowledge.
René Descartes, prominent philosopher and supporter of internalism wrote that, since the only method by which we perceive the external world is through our senses, and that, since the senses are not infallible, we should not consider our concept of knowledge to be infallible. The only way to find anything that could be described as “infallibly true,” he advocates, would be to pretend that an omnipotent, deceitful being is tampering with one’s perception of the universe, and that the logical thing to do is to question anything that involves the senses. “Cogito ergo sum” (I think, therefore I am) is commonly associated with Descartes’ theory, because he postulated that the only thing that he could not logically bring himself to doubt is his own existence: “I do not exist” is a contradiction in terms; the act of saying that one does not exist assumes that someone must be making the statement in the first place. Though Descartes could doubt his senses, his body and the world around him, he could not deny his own existence, because he was able to doubt and must exist in order to do so. Even if some “evil genius” were to be deceiving him, he would have to exist in order to be deceived. However from this Descartes did not go as far as to define what he was. This was pointed out by the materialist philosopher Pierre Gassendi (1592-1655) who accused Descartes of saying that he was “not this and not that,” while never saying what exactly was existing. One could argue that this is not an edifying question, because it doesn’t matter what exactly exists, it only matters that it does indeed exist.
Acquiring knowledge
The second question that will be dealt with is the question of how knowledge is acquired. This area of epistemology covers:
1. Issues concerning epistemic distinctions such as that between experience and apriori as means of creating knowledge.
2. Further that between synthesis and analysis used as a means of proof
3. Debates such as the one between empiricists and rationalists.
4. What is called “the regress problem”
A priori and a posteriori knowledge
Main article: A priori and a posteriori (philosophy)
The nature of this distinction has been disputed by various philosophers; however, the terms may be roughly defined as follows:
* A priori knowledge is knowledge that is known independently of experience (that is, it is non-empirical, or arrived at beforehand).
* A posteriori knowledge is knowledge that is known by experience (that is, it is empirical, or arrived at afterward).
Analytic/synthetic distinction
Some propositions are such that we appear to be justified in believing them just so far as we understand their meaning. For example, consider, “My father’s brother is my uncle.” We seem to be justified in believing it to be true by virtue of our knowledge of what its terms mean. Philosophers call such propositions “analytic.” Synthetic propositions, on the other hand, have distinct subjects and predicates. An example of a synthetic proposition would be, “My father’s brother has black hair.” Kant held that all mathematical propositions are synthetic.
The American philosopher W. V. O. Quine, in his “Two Dogmas of Empiricism,” famously challenged the distinction, arguing that the two have a blurry boundary.
Specific theories of knowledge acquisition
[ Empiricism
In philosophy, empiricism is generally a theory of knowledge emphasizing the role of experience, especially experience based on perceptual observations by the five senses. Certain forms treat all knowledge as empirical,[citation needed] while some regard disciplines such as mathematics and logic as exceptions.[citation needed]
Rationalism
Rationalists believe that knowledge is primarily (at least in some areas) acquired by a priori processes or is innate—for example, in the form of concepts not derived from experience. The relevant theoretical processes often go by the name “intuition”.[citation needed] The relevant theoretical concepts may purportedly be part of the structure of the human mind (as in Kant’s theory of transcendental idealism), or they may be said to exist independently of the mind (as in Plato’s theory of Forms).
The extent to which this innate human knowledge is emphasized over experience as a means to acquire knowledge varies from rationalist to rationalist. Some hold that knowledge of any kind can only be gained a priori,[citation needed] while others claim that some knowledge can also be gained a posteriori.[citation needed] Consequently, the borderline between rationalist epistemologies and others can be vague.
Constructivist epistemology
Constructivism is a view in philosophy according to which all knowledge is “constructed” in as much as it is contingent on convention, human perception, and social experience.[citation needed] Constructivism proposes new definitions for knowledge and truth that forms a new paradigm, based on inter-subjectivity instead of the classical objectivity and viability instead of truth. Piagetian constructivism, however, believes in objectivity as constructs can be validated through experimentation. The constructivist point of view is pragmatic as Vico said: “the truth is to have made it.”
It originated in sociology under the term “social constructionism” and has been given the name “constructivism” when referring to philosophical epistemology, though “constructionism” and “constructivism” are often used interchangeably.[citation needed]Constructivism has also emerged in the field of International Relations, of which the writings of Alexander Wendt are most popular. Describing the characteristic nature of International reality marked by ‘anarchy’ he says, “anarchy is what states make of it.”
Regress argument
Suppose we make a point of asking for a justification for every belief. Any given justification will itself depend on another belief for its justification, so one can also reasonably ask for this to be justified, and so forth. This appears to lead to an infinite regress, with each belief justified by some further belief. The apparent impossibility of completing an infinite chain of reasoning is thought by some to support skepticism. The skeptic will argue that since no one can complete such a chain, ultimately no beliefs are justified and, therefore, no one knows anything. “The only thing I know for sure is that I do not know for sure.”
Response to the regress problem
Many epistemologists studying justification have attempted to argue for various types of chains of reasoning that can escape the regress problem.
Some philosophers, notably Peter Klein in his article “Human Knowledge and the Infinite Regress of Reasons,” have argued that it is not impossible for an infinite justificatory series to exist. This position is known as “infinitism.” Infinitists typically take the infinite series to be merely potential, in the sense that an individual may have indefinitely many reasons available to him, without having consciously thought through all of these reasons. The individual need only have the ability to bring forth the relevant reasons when the need arises. This position is motivated in part by the desire to avoid what is seen as the arbitrariness and circularity of its chief competitors, foundationalism and coherentism.
[edit] Foundationalism
Foundationalists respond to the regress problem by claiming that some beliefs that support other beliefs do not themselves require justification by other beliefs. Sometimes, these beliefs, labeled “foundational,” are characterized as beliefs of whose truth one is directly aware, or as beliefs that are self-justifying, or as beliefs that are infallible. According to one particularly permissive form of foundationalism, a belief may count as foundational, in the sense that it may be presumed true until defeating evidence appears, as long as the belief seems to its believer to be true.[citation needed] Others have argued that a belief is justified if it is based on perception or certain a priori considerations.
The chief criticism of foundationalism is that it allegedly leads to the arbitrary or unjustified acceptance of certain beliefs.[8]
[edit] Coherentism
Another response to the regress problem is coherentism, which is the rejection of the assumption that the regress proceeds according to a pattern of linear justification. To avoid the charge of circularity, coherentists hold that an individual belief is justified circularly by the way it fits together (coheres) with the rest of the belief system of which it is a part. This theory has the advantage of avoiding the infinite regress without claiming special, possibly arbitrary status for some particular class of beliefs. Yet, since a system can be coherent while also being wrong, coherentists face the difficulty in ensuring that the whole system corresponds to reality.
[edit] Foundherentism
There is also a position known as “foundherentism”. Susan Haack is the philosopher who conceived it, and it is meant to be a unification of foundationalism and coherentism. One component of this theory is what is called the “analogy of the crossword puzzle.” Whereas, say, infinists regard the regress of reasons as “shaped” like a single line, Susan Haack has argued that it is more like a crossword puzzle, with multiple lines mutually supporting each other.[9]
[edit] What do people know?
The last question that will be dealt with is the question of what people know. At the heart of this area of study is skepticism, with many approaches involved trying to disprove some particular form of it.
[edit] Skepticism
Main article: Philosophical skepticism
Skepticism is related to the question of whether certain knowledge is possible. Skeptics argue that the belief in something does not necessarily justify an assertion of knowledge of it. In this skeptics oppose foundationalism, which states that there have to be some basic beliefs that are justified without reference to others. The skeptical response to this can take several approaches. First, claiming that “basic beliefs” must exist, amounts to the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance combined with the slippery slope. While a foundationalist would use Münchhausen Trilemma as a justification for demanding the validity of basic beliefs, a skeptic would see no problem with admitting the result.
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[edit] Developments from skepticism
[edit] Fallibilism
Main article: Fallibilism
For most of philosophical history, “knowledge” was taken to mean belief that was true and justified to an absolute certainty.[citation needed] Early in the 20th century, however, the notion that belief had to be justified as such to count as knowledge lost favour. Fallibilism is the view that knowing something does not entail certainty regarding it.
Charles Sanders Peirce was a fallibilist and the most developed form of fallibilism can be traced to Karl Popper (1902-1994) whose first book Logik Der Forschung (The Logic of Investigation), 1934 introduced a “conjectural turn” into the philosophy of science and epistemology at large. He adumbrated a school of thought that is known as Critical Rationalism with a central tenet being the rejection of the idea that knowledge can ever be justified in the strong form that is sought by most schools of thought. His two most helpful exponents are the late William W Bartley and David Miller, recently retired from the University of Warwick. A major source of on-line material is the Critical Rationalist website and also the Rathouse of Rafe Champion.
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[edit] Practical applications
Far from being purely academic, the study of epistemology is useful for a great many applications. It is particularly commonly employed in issues of law where proof of guilt or innocence may be required, or when it must be determined whether a person knew a particular fact before taking a specific action (e.g., whether an action was premeditated). Another practical application is to the design of computer interfaces. For example, the skills, rules, and knowledge taxonomy of human behavior has been used by designers to develop systems that are compatible with multiple “ways of knowing”: abstract analytic reasoning, experience-based ‘gut feelings’, and ‘craft’ sensorimotor skills.
May 5th, 2009 at 12:38 pmIn looking over the comment above from our friend George.Burns, I am reminded of the words of J. Peterman on being handed an assignment by Lou Filerman, “The Sidler”:
“Ah, yes. Well this certainly looks like a lot of words.”
May 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pmWaynebro – Amen! Sorry, couldn’t resist! I hear you. I find it disrespectful to read things like “magic spagetti monster in the sky” and the like. It’s very dismissive.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pmI thought George Burns was dead? How did he post this if he’s dead? He must have “risen” to post this! He’s must be the second coming of Christ! Praise Jea-sus! He’s risen (snark off)
May 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pmjrfunkenstein,
According to your rules, noone would be able to condemn Nazi Germany (Christian capitalist Western country) because that would be “hateful”, “hypocrisy”, and “bigotry”.
BTW, George Burns was God in two movies. Must have been a reason!
May 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pmWrong.
No one said anything about “not condemning their hypocrisy”.
In fact I encouraged it. Condemning bigotry and hypocrisy WHEREVER it rears it’s ugly head was my point, and I made that clear.
Your straw argument aside.
Hypocrisy and bigotry are a Neocon value.
Condemning hypocrisy and bigotry is a progressive value.
There’s nothing wrong with condemning bigotry in the religious, as long as it’s their bigotry and hypocrisy that you are attacking, and not simply mocking people of faith, which is what we see on this thread and pretty much every thread where it’s brought up.
We condemn people for intolerance of gays and lesbians based on their sexual preference while in the same breath advocating intolerance of religious people based on their religious preference.
Bigotry is not an exclusive value. It can come from the right, the left, and everyone in between.
Which is why we don’t tolerate it, in any form.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pmNo doubt.
It’s also prejudice and bigotry on a scale worthy of a neocon.
We don’t tolerate that sort of bigotry, and should confront it whenever it rears it’s head.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pmuhh, no crazy lady…I’m arguing against religious bigotry.
But feel free to actually post some substance to your all caps frothing at the mouth profane rants.
You know. Substance. Content. Points of reference.
:|
Rather than just losing control of yourself and your keyboard as you shriek like a profane, rabid goon.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSee lunatic, like most bigots and goons, you can’t provide substance, just hatred, rage and ignorance and intolerance.
You’re too stupid to comprehend the difference between standing up for the principal over the person.
You think that standing up for free speech if that free speech is coming from the right, is “defending the neocons”.
Other, more intelligent people however understand that not standing up for the rights of the neocons to speak freely, means not standing up for the rights of any of us.
You can’t separate the person from the principal.
Probably because you’re so busy sowing hate, bigotry and intolerance for any but who you approve of.
Your rage blinds you.
Just like it does with most bigots and fools.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pmThere’s really no difference between you and Joe the Plumber.
Except maybe that he seems to be able to contain himself better than you.
You both however preach bigotry.
He condemns people for their sexual preference.
You condemn people for their religious preference.
You’re both fools too narrow minded to understand that liberty and freedom are not values for you to dole out to those whose ideologies merge with your own.
Tolerance and liberty are values that unless they’re extended to all, mean nothing.
Just like Joe the Plumber condemns people for their sexual preferences.
You condemn them for their religious preferences.
You’re both bigots. You’re both fools.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pmMay 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Does Joe keep his kids away from the clergy, too? It seems to me that preachers are more far more dangerous than any homosexual I ever met.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:10 pmWaynebro,
You might be a closet Libertarian.
That’s not a bad thing.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:38 am“Queer means strange and unusual.”
plumber means unlicensed assistant.
conservative family means divorced with domestic assault record reluctant to pay taxes.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:54 pmOh no kids, cover your eyes, it’s a queer! Joe should go back to unclogging poo pipes, since that is about all that comes out of his mouth.
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