Comments on: Financial and housing industries paid lobbyists more than $42 million to defeat mortgage cram-down legislation. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:23:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: SanaLBurda http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5631135 SanaLBurda Wed, 06 May 2009 10:42:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5631135 I THANK <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="Sesli Sohbet" rel="nofollow">Sesli Sohbet</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="Sesli Chat" rel="nofollow">Sesli Chat</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="SesliSohbet" rel="nofollow">SesliSohbet</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="SesliChat" rel="nofollow">SesliChat</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="sesli ve görüntülü chatt" rel="nofollow">sesli ve görüntülü chat</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="sesli ve görüntülü sohbet" rel="nofollow">sesli ve görüntülü sohbet</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="Chat" rel="nofollow">Chat</a> <a href="http://www.sanalburda.com" title="sohbet" rel="nofollow">sohbet</a> MaviSakaL I THANK
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]]> By: PFWoody488 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5631117 PFWoody488 Wed, 06 May 2009 06:37:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5631117 Law makers should have to wear the logos of their 'sponsors' just like Nascar drivers do. Since they don't, when the media interviews them, the reporter should disclose how much money they took from the relevant special interest before allowing the pol to discuss their position on the issue of the moment. For money in politics, check out OpenSecrets.org. Very enlightening. PS Please stop giving the troll RealityCheck the attention that he so pathetically craves. His persistent stupidity is best ignored. Law makers should have to wear the logos of their ’sponsors’ just like Nascar drivers do.

Since they don’t, when the media interviews them, the reporter should disclose how much money they took from the relevant special interest before allowing the pol to discuss their position on the issue of the moment.

For money in politics, check out OpenSecrets.org.
Very enlightening.

PS Please stop giving the troll RealityCheck the attention that he so pathetically craves. His persistent stupidity is best ignored.

]]> By: demichae http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5631100 demichae Wed, 06 May 2009 05:24:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5631100 In addition to the amount paid to their lobbyists (2 of whom are Wells Fargo employees), they donated the following amounts to Senators who voted no on the cramdown amendment: $5,000 to “Montanans for Tester” $3,000 to Collins for Senator $3,000 to the Bennett Election Committee $2,500 to the Grassley Committee $2,500 to Texans for Senator John Cornyn $2,500 to Friends of John Barrasso You can read what <a href="http://thoughts-of-dave.blogspot.com/2009/05/wells-fargo-receives-tarp-funds-pays.html" rel="nofollow">else I found here</a>. I'm absolutely disgusted with the Senate. Now that Wells Fargo didn't pass the stress test, they'll be looking to us for more money, even after buying the Senate to vote down the cramdown, the one thing that could actually stabilize the housing market. In addition to the amount paid to their lobbyists (2 of whom are Wells Fargo employees), they donated the following amounts to Senators who voted no on the cramdown amendment:
$5,000 to “Montanans for Tester”
$3,000 to Collins for Senator
$3,000 to the Bennett Election Committee
$2,500 to the Grassley Committee
$2,500 to Texans for Senator John Cornyn
$2,500 to Friends of John Barrasso
You can read what else I found here. I’m absolutely disgusted with the Senate. Now that Wells Fargo didn’t pass the stress test, they’ll be looking to us for more money, even after buying the Senate to vote down the cramdown, the one thing that could actually stabilize the housing market.

]]> By: theswan http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630280 theswan Tue, 05 May 2009 19:26:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630280 The only way to kill the lobbist weight is the vote. 2010 The only way to kill the lobbist weight is the vote. 2010

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630146 katy Tue, 05 May 2009 18:08:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630146 why the hell did the tag "cram down" stick??? "write-down" makes so much more sense... who WOULD support "cram down" ANYthing...? and, at $43m, did these FIRE industries even come out ahead? such a scam... why the hell did the tag “cram down” stick???

“write-down” makes so much more sense…

who WOULD support “cram down” ANYthing…?

and, at $43m, did these FIRE industries even come out ahead?

such a scam…

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630131 Xisithrus Tue, 05 May 2009 17:51:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630131 Recall that the FIRE sector also helped gut Glass-Steagall and supported Phil Gramms deregualtion legislation for the derivatives and Enron mess Recall that the FIRE sector also helped gut Glass-Steagall and supported Phil Gramms deregualtion legislation for the derivatives and Enron mess

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630117 MapleStreet Tue, 05 May 2009 17:40:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630117 But looking at it from the side of the business: $ 42 million is chump change for what they got for it. But looking at it from the side of the business:

$ 42 million is chump change for what they got for it.

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630116 Xisithrus Tue, 05 May 2009 17:40:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630116 They should start doing polls in these cronies counties and see what their constituents really want. This playing corporate whore is destroying democracy. They should start doing polls in these cronies counties and see what their constituents really want. This playing corporate whore is destroying democracy.

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630112 Xisithrus Tue, 05 May 2009 17:38:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630112 The public servants are doing a great disservice to their constituents and folks, look, we have to stop this, our congress critters are pets, pets to payola my friends. The public servants are doing a great disservice to their constituents and folks, look, we have to stop this, our congress critters are pets, pets to payola my friends.

]]> By: digger http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630098 digger Tue, 05 May 2009 17:26:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630098 When the economy started to slide, the first warnig sign was the housing market. Look where we are now. The one place where help should be given, the people who are loosing their homes...I could say shame on you...to the people who voted against this legislation to help...you could care less right? Unless you were paid to show a little shame. How much would that cost? How much would it cost to show a little remorse? It really is a shame for the whole world to see that what you have come to represent comes with a price tage...everything... When the economy started to slide, the first warnig sign was the housing market. Look where we are now. The one place where help should be given, the people who are loosing their homes…I could say shame on you…to the people who voted against this legislation to help…you could care less right? Unless you were paid to show a little shame. How much would that cost? How much would it cost to show a little remorse? It really is a shame for the whole world to see that what you have come to represent comes with a price tage…everything…

]]> By: A Patriotic Anopheles Acting http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630093 A Patriotic Anopheles Acting Tue, 05 May 2009 17:22:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630093 NOLIESPLEASE may I ask how, as a Canadian, are you going to "fire" President Obama? NOLIESPLEASE may I ask how, as a Canadian, are you going to “fire” President Obama?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630087 tombaker Tue, 05 May 2009 17:20:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630087 28 - your ghilly suit is slipping - i can see your true colors all the way from over here. nice try - now take on another id and try again. thanks for playing. 28 – your ghilly suit is slipping – i can see your true colors all the way from over here.

nice try – now take on another id and try again. thanks for playing.

]]> By: NOLIESPLEASE http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630085 NOLIESPLEASE Tue, 05 May 2009 17:19:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630085 Lets see who trumps who in the 2010 mid terms!!! Making a list, checking it twice, making sure who is notty or nice. Out with those who refuse change...and that includes you Obama!!!!! if a government plan in not enacted, your FIRED!!! Lets see who trumps who in the 2010 mid terms!!! Making a list, checking it twice, making sure who is notty or nice.

Out with those who refuse change…and that includes you Obama!!!!! if a government plan in not enacted, your FIRED!!!

]]> By: Jane E. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630081 Jane E. Schneider Tue, 05 May 2009 17:15:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630081 <em>Megaloptera McWars Says:</em> Thanks for the link about the protesters. I read the article at the link, then the two articles at politico.com and the WSJ (which were linked from the first link.) The protesters were members of Healthcare Now, Physicians for a National Health Program and Single Payer Action, which only the WSJ article mentiond. According to politico: “I want you to know I care deeply about your views,” Baucus said." According to the WSJ article: "That is a view which many have and which I respect," Baucus said of single-payer health care. "The point of this and other hearings is to determine the best option." Both of Baucus' statements are lies, because he is flat-out against a single-payer system. Fock Baucus! Megaloptera McWars Says:

Thanks for the link about the protesters. I read the article at the link, then the two articles at politico.com and the WSJ (which were linked from the first link.) The protesters were members of Healthcare Now, Physicians for a National Health Program and Single Payer Action, which only the WSJ article mentiond.

According to politico: “I want you to know I care deeply about your views,” Baucus said.” According to the WSJ article: “That is a view which many have and which I respect,” Baucus said of single-payer health care. “The point of this and other hearings is to determine the best option.” Both of Baucus’ statements are lies, because he is flat-out against a single-payer system. Fock Baucus!

]]> By: Mycelium http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630074 Mycelium Tue, 05 May 2009 17:14:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630074 moondancer Says @ 25 Beat me to it. Good post moondancer Says @ 25

Beat me to it. Good post

]]> By: Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630071 Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Tue, 05 May 2009 17:13:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630071 For true leftists, Obama has been a total bust! He's escalated the war in Afghanistan, increased the cross-border bombings of Pakistan, hemmed and hawed about prosecuting war crimes, refused to actively lobby House members to make it easier for workers to organize (EFCA), and surrounded himself with bank industry reps who've committed $12.8 trillion to sinking financial institutions with no assurance that the money would be repaid. Apart from a trifling bill on stem cells, Obama has done absolutely zero to confirm his bona fides as a liberal. The truth is, Obama is neither liberal nor conservative; he's simply an inspiring orator and a skillful politician who has no strong convictions about anything. For true leftists, Obama has been a total bust!

He’s escalated the war in Afghanistan, increased the cross-border bombings of Pakistan, hemmed and hawed about prosecuting war crimes, refused to actively lobby House members to make it easier for workers to organize (EFCA), and surrounded himself with bank industry reps who’ve committed $12.8 trillion to sinking financial institutions with no assurance that the money would be repaid.

Apart from a trifling bill on stem cells, Obama has done absolutely zero to confirm his bona fides as a liberal.

The truth is, Obama is neither liberal nor conservative; he’s simply an inspiring orator and a skillful politician who has no strong convictions about anything.

]]> By: ranus69 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630064 ranus69 Tue, 05 May 2009 17:07:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630064 Funny how Baucus (D-MT) feels so passionate about health care reform but doesn't give a damn about keeping people in their homes? Funny how Baucus (D-MT) feels so passionate about health care reform but doesn’t give a damn about keeping people in their homes?

]]> By: NOLIESPLEASE http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630061 NOLIESPLEASE Tue, 05 May 2009 17:06:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630061 <em>Megaloptera McWars Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of crammed-down interests: Protesters disrupt Senate health care hearing (link) When one protester shouted "we want a seat at the table," Baucus responded, "We want police." Capitol Police removed eight people.</em> People....KEEP FIGHTING FOR SINGLE PAYER. AS A CANADIAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL BE FREE FROM CORP POWER. NO MORE HAVING TO TAKE CRAP JOBS JUST TO GET HEALTH CARE. NO MORE CO PAYS OR DEDUCABLES. NO MORE BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE OF HEALH CARE. NO MORE HMO'S TELLING YOU WHAT DOCTOR TO SEE. GO ANYWHERE IN YOUR NATION AND BE COVERED BY HEALH CARE. YOUR POLITICIANS WANT YOU TO BE AT THE CORP TIT AND ABIDE BY THERE WAY OF LIFE....CORPORATE SLAVORY!!! I CAN TELL YOU, LIFE IS SO MUCH BETTER NOT HAVING ANY WORRIES ABOUT HEALTH CARE. THAT IS WHY NO US MEDIA WILL EVER TALK TO CANADIANS CITEZENS ABOUT THERE HEALTH CARE. THE TRUTH WOULD HURT !!!! AND HURT YOUR CORP AND POLITICANS. Megaloptera McWars Says:
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Speaking of crammed-down interests:

Protesters disrupt Senate health care hearing (link)

When one protester shouted “we want a seat at the table,” Baucus responded, “We want police.”

Capitol Police removed eight people.

People….KEEP FIGHTING FOR SINGLE PAYER. AS A CANADIAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL BE FREE FROM CORP POWER. NO MORE HAVING TO TAKE CRAP JOBS JUST TO GET HEALTH CARE. NO MORE CO PAYS OR DEDUCABLES.

NO MORE BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE OF HEALH CARE. NO MORE HMO’S TELLING YOU WHAT DOCTOR TO SEE. GO ANYWHERE IN YOUR NATION AND BE COVERED BY HEALH CARE.

YOUR POLITICIANS WANT YOU TO BE AT THE CORP TIT AND ABIDE BY THERE WAY OF LIFE….CORPORATE SLAVORY!!!

I CAN TELL YOU, LIFE IS SO MUCH BETTER NOT HAVING ANY WORRIES ABOUT HEALTH CARE. THAT IS WHY NO US MEDIA WILL EVER TALK TO CANADIANS CITEZENS ABOUT THERE HEALTH CARE.

THE TRUTH WOULD HURT !!!! AND HURT YOUR CORP AND POLITICANS.

]]> By: moondancer http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630047 moondancer Tue, 05 May 2009 16:57:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630047 42 million will be dwarfed by the spending to defeat single payer health and EFCA. There's voting and then there is money. Money always trumps votes in DC. Always... 42 million will be dwarfed by the spending to defeat single payer health and EFCA. There’s voting and then there is money. Money always trumps votes in DC. Always…

]]> By: A Patriotic Anopheles Acting http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/05/lobbyists-cramdown/comment-page-1/#comment-5630038 A Patriotic Anopheles Acting Tue, 05 May 2009 16:53:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=38436#comment-5630038 amish_edison Says: "Of the people, for the people, by the people"?....riiiiight! Sadly according to the Supreme Court corporations hold the very rights afforded to "we the people". They are free to lobby their representatives in Congress just as you have the right to do so. Of course I doubt that anyone here has 42 million lying around to blow on lobbyists and "we the people" are all but voiceless on the very issues that matter most to us. What infuriates me is that these finance, real estate and insurance companies hide practically all of their money in off-shore tax shelters. They take our money in interest payments, mortgage payments, insurance premiums and bail-out funds, move the money to a tax shelter (the most popular being the Cayman Islands where an estimated 75% of corps hide their money) and then use our money to lobby against our interests to a Government that they don't even pay taxes to. Talk about representation WITHOUT taxation!They pay little to no US taxes yet retain the same rights an American citzen holds to lobby Congress. THIS is a large part of what is wrong with our Government. President Obama has determined himself to go after these tax havens and that's a very good start. Making it unlawful for corporate tax dodgers to lobby Congress would be something I would also like to see. amish_edison Says:
“Of the people, for the people, by the people”?….riiiiight!

Sadly according to the Supreme Court corporations hold the very rights afforded to “we the people”. They are free to lobby their representatives in Congress just as you have the right to do so. Of course I doubt that anyone here has 42 million lying around to blow on lobbyists and “we the people” are all but voiceless on the very issues that matter most to us. What infuriates me is that these finance, real estate and insurance companies hide practically all of their money in off-shore tax shelters. They take our money in interest payments, mortgage payments, insurance premiums and bail-out funds, move the money to a tax shelter (the most popular being the Cayman Islands where an estimated 75% of corps hide their money) and then use our money to lobby against our interests to a Government that they don’t even pay taxes to. Talk about representation WITHOUT taxation!They pay little to no US taxes yet retain the same rights an American citzen holds to lobby Congress. THIS is a large part of what is wrong with our Government. President Obama has determined himself to go after these tax havens and that’s a very good start. Making it unlawful for corporate tax dodgers to lobby Congress would be something I would also like to see.

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