Comments on: Arabic-speaking linguist dismissed from Army National Guard due to Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:55:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: stormn00007 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5637221 stormn00007 Mon, 11 May 2009 18:33:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5637221 You that are so thoughtful of Gay Rights, do not take into account the Military Soldier that protect your rights. He or she is generally a principled understanding person. They understand that in close quarters that queers have away of disrupting life in any organization. They understand that seeing Gay's in parades showing their asses that they really have no self control. They also realize that Gay's tend to be thinking of their Gayness rather then on the task at hand of protecting this Country against it enemies. I for one believe that you would see a mass exodus from the military of the very people that are sworn to holdup our freedom in the face of danger. Those of you here which are griping about the military should in fact sign up to take advantage of your strong sentiments. Join up and live the life of a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Coastguard, Marine and see what close quarters means in combat situations. I believe your view would change from that of a juvenile complainer to one that would appreciate what our forces do for us every day. There is not enough money to pay these men and women for their sacrifice for this great nation. So do me a favor and go to your Gay Night club and blow or lick one another. Just shut the hell up about our forces and how you see them in a bad light. The Fag that want to come out the closet do so because they want to get kicked out and should not have been in the service to begin with. You that are so thoughtful of Gay Rights, do not take into account the Military Soldier that protect your rights. He or she is generally a principled understanding person. They understand that in close quarters that queers have away of disrupting life in any organization. They understand that seeing Gay’s in parades showing their asses that they really have no self control. They also realize that Gay’s tend to be thinking of their Gayness rather then on the task at hand of protecting this Country against it enemies.
I for one believe that you would see a mass exodus from the military of the very people that are sworn to holdup our freedom in the face of danger.
Those of you here which are griping about the military should in fact sign up to take advantage of your strong sentiments. Join up and live the life of a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Coastguard, Marine and see what close quarters means in combat situations. I believe your view would change from that of a juvenile complainer to one that would appreciate what our forces do for us every day. There is not enough money to pay these men and women for their sacrifice for this great nation.
So do me a favor and go to your Gay Night club and blow or lick one another. Just shut the hell up about our forces and how you see them in a bad light. The Fag that want to come out the closet do so because they want to get kicked out and should not have been in the service to begin with.

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]]> By: MikeInWoodstock http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5635246 MikeInWoodstock Sat, 09 May 2009 12:03:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5635246 This war is just absolutely horrible. It's bad enough that ouah boys are gettin' blowed up over there and now one of them has done come home with the Gay. Damn them Iraqis for unleashing the Gay on our boys! This war is just absolutely horrible. It’s bad enough that ouah boys are gettin’ blowed up over there and now one of them has done come home with the Gay. Damn them Iraqis for unleashing the Gay on our boys!

]]> By: hanshiro the antlion http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5635244 hanshiro the antlion Sat, 09 May 2009 11:40:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5635244 <em>42. ICE72 Says: And most Gay people that I have and still are friends with does have a very unstable mental condition that when I served in the Army with an Infantry unit I wouldn't have wanted to really on them to help whatch my back.Bottom line is lets get the economy...heehaw..heehaw...</em> You. Are. An. Idiot. 42. ICE72 Says: And most Gay people that I have and still are friends with does have a very unstable mental condition that when I served in the Army with an Infantry unit I wouldn’t have wanted to really on them to help whatch my back.Bottom line is lets get the economy…heehaw..heehaw…

You. Are. An. Idiot.

]]> By: ICE72 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5635231 ICE72 Sat, 09 May 2009 07:27:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5635231 OK let me get this right you people really think that the President should jump into the full on repeal of this DADT policy when the economy is still on a spiral and unemployment rates are still soaring.Aren't these more important and by the way don't forget the DADT was signed into law and pushed through by none other than then Demorcrate President Bill Clinton to win some reelection votes of the gay population.Also lets investigate the real issue why these people are all of a sudden poping out of the closet when they know its going to get them kicked out Were they soon getting orders to serve their country in its war on terror is it just becoming the easy way to dodge their responsibility of going to war.The reason that it has been a federal law making it illegal for gays to serve was mainly because until recently it was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as being a mental disease. And most Gay people that I have and still are friends with does have a very unstable mental condition that when I served in the Army with an Infantry unit I wouldn't have wanted to really on them to help whatch my back.Bottom line is lets get the economy back on track get people their jobs back then return to these issues after we have saved everyone as a majority and not get side tracked on an issue that really only affects a handful of American citizens. OK let me get this right you people really think that the President should jump into the full on repeal of this DADT policy when the economy is still on a spiral and unemployment rates are still soaring.Aren’t these more important and by the way don’t forget the DADT was signed into law and pushed through by none other than then Demorcrate President Bill Clinton to win some reelection votes of the gay population.Also lets investigate the real issue why these people are all of a sudden poping out of the closet when they know its going to get them kicked out Were they soon getting orders to serve their country in its war on terror is it just becoming the easy way to dodge their responsibility of going to war.The reason that it has been a federal law making it illegal for gays to serve was mainly because until recently it was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as being a mental disease. And most Gay people that I have and still are friends with does have a very unstable mental condition that when I served in the Army with an Infantry unit I wouldn’t have wanted to really on them to help whatch my back.Bottom line is lets get the economy back on track get people their jobs back then return to these issues after we have saved everyone as a majority and not get side tracked on an issue that really only affects a handful of American citizens.

]]> By: singe_101 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5634165 singe_101 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:18:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5634165 @15 This is really not fair, Obama is multi-cultural and if he answers to his peers that includes lots of Democrats, progressives, academics, Chicagoans, etc. that support freedom of sexual orientation. And African American service members are probably more concerned about veterans' care and military policy than DADT. And education. @15

This is really not fair, Obama is multi-cultural and if he answers to his peers that includes lots of Democrats, progressives, academics, Chicagoans, etc. that support freedom of sexual orientation.

And African American service members are probably more concerned about veterans’ care and military policy than DADT. And education.

]]> By: IgnoranceIsNotBliss http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633987 IgnoranceIsNotBliss Fri, 08 May 2009 12:26:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633987 <i>According to Belkin, a soon-to-be-released study by a group of experts in military law will show that “President Obama does, in fact, have <b>stroke-of-the-pen authority</b> to suspend gay discharges.”</i> Then what in the hell is taking him so long? According to Belkin, a soon-to-be-released study by a group of experts in military law will show that “President Obama does, in fact, have stroke-of-the-pen authority to suspend gay discharges.”

Then what in the hell is taking him so long?

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633942 EugeneDebs Fri, 08 May 2009 05:41:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633942 RC a reasonable post. I understand the military will enforce the law. What we are saying is that the law is wrong. We think the law should be changed. RC a reasonable post. I understand the military will enforce the law. What we are saying is that the law is wrong. We think the law should be changed.

]]> By: Max Anax junius -1 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633939 Max Anax junius -1 Fri, 08 May 2009 05:32:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633939 . Sibel Edmonds addresses this issue in her movie... <strong>KILL THE MESSENGER</strong> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6063340745569143497&ei=wsIDSv7OB6LaqAPtkcC4Cw&q=sibel+edmonds&hl=en WATCH IT!~!! I want to know what she knows about Plame. I want to know what she knows about lies told to America. I want to know what she knows about wiretapping. . .

Sibel Edmonds addresses this issue in her movie…

KILL THE MESSENGER
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I want to know what she knows about Plame.
I want to know what she knows about lies told to America.
I want to know what she knows about wiretapping.

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]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633932 Zooey Fri, 08 May 2009 05:16:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633932 This is exactly the sort of thing that will make President Obama move on this. I know he has a lot on his plate, but we cannot continue to lose well-trained people from the military because of some idiotic law. Lt Choi said he will fight this thing, and that's what we need him to do in order to change this law. Lt Choi, I dub thee a Squeaky Wheel. This is exactly the sort of thing that will make President Obama move on this. I know he has a lot on his plate, but we cannot continue to lose well-trained people from the military because of some idiotic law.

Lt Choi said he will fight this thing, and that’s what we need him to do in order to change this law.

Lt Choi, I dub thee a Squeaky Wheel.

]]> By: southrnbelle http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633899 southrnbelle Fri, 08 May 2009 03:57:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633899 President Obama has got to repeal this policy immediately! Not only is it absurd! It is an insult to the American public. E-mail him. Tell him to end it NOW! The Republican legacy of Unconstitutional Bigotry has got to end forever!!!! President Obama has got to repeal this policy immediately!

Not only is it absurd! It is an insult to the American public.

E-mail him. Tell him to end it NOW!

The Republican legacy of Unconstitutional Bigotry has got to end forever!!!!

]]> By: RealityCheck http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633869 RealityCheck Fri, 08 May 2009 02:56:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633869 I am not making a post to inflame...only trying to state the obvious. This service member made a choice to openly come out of the closet on National TV. That is not in question. The current policy is "Don't ask/ Don't tell"...is it not? I served 20 years in the Submarine Force...and am a disabled vet. I understand the significance of this persons decision. It is what he chose to do...so now he is going to pay the price. Do not be mad at the military for enforcing the current law...it is what we have to do in order to keep a balance of integrity. To make offensive remarks about our men in uniform...including the leadership...is just wrong! Until the law is changed...the military will continue to enforce the rules. I am not making a post to inflame…only trying to state the obvious. This service member made a choice to openly come out of the closet on National TV. That is not in question.

The current policy is “Don’t ask/ Don’t tell”…is it not? I served 20 years in the Submarine Force…and am a disabled vet. I understand the significance of this persons decision. It is what he chose to do…so now he is going to pay the price.

Do not be mad at the military for enforcing the current law…it is what we have to do in order to keep a balance of integrity. To make offensive remarks about our men in uniform…including the leadership…is just wrong!

Until the law is changed…the military will continue to enforce the rules.

]]> By: hanshiro the antlion http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633829 hanshiro the antlion Fri, 08 May 2009 02:23:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633829 <em>23.ConservativeForProgress Says: Another broken Obama campaign promise. What do you expect out of a Chicago politician?</em> More than what we've been driven to vomiting over the last eight years. <a href="http://vodpod.com/watch/1589959-letterman-on-cheney-'how'd-he-do'" rel="nofollow">Here's Letterman to explain it to you...</a> 23.ConservativeForProgress Says: Another broken Obama campaign promise. What do you expect out of a Chicago politician?

More than what we’ve been driven to vomiting over the last eight years. Here’s Letterman to explain it to you…

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633810 EugeneDebs Fri, 08 May 2009 02:13:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633810 Timmeh. You are stupid. FAR too stupid to be talking about dumbing it down for us. It would simply be impossible to dumb down virtually ANYTHING to the point someone as stupid as you could understand it. Having gays in the military certainly didnt hurt the ancient greeks. You dont really care what the experts say you are a bigot and a moron just looking for a reason to BE a bigot and a moron Timmeh. You are stupid. FAR too stupid to be talking about dumbing it down for us. It would simply be impossible to dumb down virtually ANYTHING to the point someone as stupid as you could understand it. Having gays in the military certainly didnt hurt the ancient greeks. You dont really care what the experts say you are a bigot and a moron just looking for a reason to BE a bigot and a moron

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633808 EugeneDebs Fri, 08 May 2009 02:08:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633808 ConservativeForProgress Another stupid and inane post by you. What else should we expect from a moronic piece of garbage troll like you? ConservativeForProgress

Another stupid and inane post by you. What else should we expect from a moronic piece of garbage troll like you?

]]> By: glogrrl http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633800 glogrrl Fri, 08 May 2009 02:00:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633800 <strong><em>hanshiro the antlion</em></strong> I agree........I believe, sometime during the campaign, Obama echoed the words of Franklin D. Roosevelt when he told the American people how to get him to do what they wanted: <strong> "Make me."</strong> So, get to it American citizens.....flood the White House website with e-mails demanding that he repeal that stupid DADT. Don't let a few homophobic uptight military religious types keep such a discriminatory law in place. hanshiro the antlion

I agree……..I believe, sometime during the campaign, Obama echoed the words of Franklin D. Roosevelt when he told the American people how to get him to do what they wanted: “Make me.” So, get to it American citizens…..flood the White House website with e-mails demanding that he repeal that stupid DADT. Don’t let a few homophobic uptight military religious types keep such a discriminatory law in place.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633784 wiley Fri, 08 May 2009 01:49:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633784 23 nations have gays serving openly in the military <blockquote>Rather than relying on anecdotes or conjecture, our researchers asked experts to assess the effect on military performance of lifting the ban on gays. While isolated social disruptions required a few service members to be transferred, not a single informant observed any impairment of military effectiveness after the bans were lifted.</blockquote> <a href="http://www.palmcenter.org/node/410" rel="nofollow"> link</a> One of the larger differences between the military and civilian worlds is that military leaders have more power to check the negative effects of attitude than civilian leaders do. In order for gays to serve openly in the military without them being harassed and/or harmed by bigots, it will be necessary for military leaders from the top to get on board. 23 nations have gays serving openly in the military

Rather than relying on anecdotes or conjecture, our researchers asked experts to assess the effect on military performance of lifting the ban on gays. While isolated social disruptions required a few service members to be transferred, not a single informant observed any impairment of military effectiveness after the bans were lifted.


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One of the larger differences between the military and civilian worlds is that military leaders have more power to check the negative effects of attitude than civilian leaders do. In order for gays to serve openly in the military without them being harassed and/or harmed by bigots, it will be necessary for military leaders from the top to get on board.

]]> By: hanshiro the antlion http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633783 hanshiro the antlion Fri, 08 May 2009 01:48:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633783 What I find infuriating are the posts that are spot on in this thread, yet because they are (rightfully) slamming Obama's about-face, there are few, if any 'Recommends.' Get over it. Obama is, in fact, dropping the ball on several crucial issues. Let him <em>have</em> it. People worked incredibly hard to get him elected; it's a slap in the face to return the favor with some razzle-dazzle excuse-making and cowardly website shuffling. If some scummy republican did this crap, we'd be all over his lying a$$. Obama is no different because he's a democrat. They're both politicians. On an earlier thread, I slammed Pelosi for her politically craven attempt to sidestep and deny her role in allowing waterboarding, arguing that she had a duty to protest this torture. I, of course got few "recommends" even though I supported my position with Constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald. It's as if I had violated some sacred loyalty cow of the democratic party. Screw that. Now, of course, <a href="http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/07/pelosi-was-briefed-on-waterboarding-in-2002-despite-saying-she-wasnt-report/" rel="nofollow">a report has been released</a> revealing that Pelosi likely <em>lied</em> about being briefed and the extent of her knowledge of waterboarding. She should step down in favor of Kucinich. We need credibility, not more slimy liars, republican <em>or</em> democrat. Obama made some tall promises to get into office; he doesn't get a free ride when he betrays those pledges, and he's racking them up. What I find infuriating are the posts that are spot on in this thread, yet because they are (rightfully) slamming Obama’s about-face, there are few, if any ‘Recommends.’

Get over it.

Obama is, in fact, dropping the ball on several crucial issues. Let him have it. People worked incredibly hard to get him elected; it’s a slap in the face to return the favor with some razzle-dazzle excuse-making and cowardly website shuffling. If some scummy republican did this crap, we’d be all over his lying a$$. Obama is no different because he’s a democrat. They’re both politicians.

On an earlier thread, I slammed Pelosi for her politically craven attempt to sidestep and deny her role in allowing waterboarding, arguing that she had a duty to protest this torture. I, of course got few “recommends” even though I supported my position with Constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald. It’s as if I had violated some sacred loyalty cow of the democratic party. Screw that.

Now, of course, a report has been released revealing that Pelosi likely lied about being briefed and the extent of her knowledge of waterboarding. She should step down in favor of Kucinich. We need credibility, not more slimy liars, republican or democrat.

Obama made some tall promises to get into office; he doesn’t get a free ride when he betrays those pledges, and he’s racking them up.

]]> By: Tim Vaculik http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/arabic-linguist-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-5633773 Tim Vaculik Fri, 08 May 2009 01:37:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39196#comment-5633773 The military is a unique institution and does not operate by the usual "rules" of civilian society. That's an oversimplification, but I'm trying to keep it simple for the simple-minded here! I'm with all the experts on this - homosexuals should not be in the military. The military is a unique institution and does not operate by the usual “rules” of civilian society.

That’s an oversimplification, but I’m trying to keep it simple for the simple-minded here!

I’m with all the experts on this – homosexuals should not be in the military.

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