Cheney: ‘I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.
Cheney: ‘I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.
With only 20 percent of Americans self-identifying as Republicans, the GOP is searching for a way forward. Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Olympia Snowe (R-ME), along with Colin Powell, have said the GOP must move toward the center to expand its tent. In an interview with Scott Hennen, a North Dakota radio host, Cheney declared that becoming more moderate “would be a mistake“:
HENNEN: Some people are wringing their hands saying, “This is an example of why the party needs to change, to hear the message of Specter,” that, as Colin Powell said, the Republican Party needs to moderate. Do you think the Republican Party needs to moderate? Is that the message of the Specter defection, or the state of the party these days?
CHENEY: No I don’t. I think it would be a mistake for us to moderate. This is about fundamental beliefs and values and ideas…what the role of government should be in our society, and our commitment to the Constitution and Constitutional principles. You know, when you add all those things up the idea that we ought to moderate basically means we ought to fundamentally change our philosophy. I for one am not prepared to do that, and I think most us aren’t. [...] So I think periodically we have to go through one these sessions. It helps clear away some of the underbrush…some of the older folks who’ve been around a long time (like yours truly) need to move on, and make room for that young talent that’s coming along. But I think it’s basically healthy. I don’t spend a lot of time or lose a lot of sleep over it. I just think now is the time for people who are committed to get out there and find candidates they like and go to work for them.
RNC Chair Michael Steele has sounded a similar note earlier this week. “All you moderates out there, y’all come. I mean, that’s the message,” Steele said, but added, “Understand that when you come into someone’s house, you’re not looking to change it.”
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May 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pmdasm: “I think it would be a mistake for Cheney to ever open his mouth again in public.”
May 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pmREPUBLICANS INCAPABLE OF LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES
In order to gain the political power they’ve enjoyed for more than a decade, Republican moderates and fiscal conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots and misanthropes) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional and vulnerable voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally honest.
Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with and or casting out the devil they empowered and the karmic reality that they don’t have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without continuing to accept and “advocate” the immoral values, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.
The survival of today’s shrinking Republican Party has become so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America’s increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.
The idiom “caught between the devil and the deep blue sea” is certainly appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.
Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and their disgraceful and shameless licking of Rush Limbaugh’s storm trooper boots is costing them their viability.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pmGo for it Uncle Dick. Keep your head in the sand. Keep fomenting war and bashing gays and sucking the knob of Wall Street. Don’t change a damned thing. Please. I want there to be an even bigger majority for the Democrats after the 2010 and 2012 elections. Your head in the sand will make that so much easier to have happen.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pmAnd so, given his record, it would be a mistake for the GOP not to moderate.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pmi think the GOP should hang on to every word deadeye dick tells them and employ it as their national rebranding strategy. i whole heartedly support that move!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm…
is he thumbing his nose?
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May 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pmNatural selection at work. How appropriate that the very party that flatly rejects Darwins theories is becoming extinct by the same process.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pmOf course, he’s correct. If the GOOP became more moderate, they might have a chance of regaining power – and that would be a huge mistake.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:11 pmWe’ve seen and heard more DICK since he’s been out office than we ever did when he was in it. Back to your new, undisclosed location. God help me, I hate that man!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pmCheney: ‘I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pmYeah, and I think it would be a mistake for the Republican Party to continue to impose its idiotic philosophy on the American public. Every day some clown representing the party makes a fool of himself or herself on national television and further coarsens the political discourse. Just give it up, disband, and maybe move to Texas and then seceed so you can get the hell out of our hair. We don’t need a repeat of the McCarthy era. It’s time for reasonable and logical ideas to prevail………..obviously not your game. And, Mr. Cheney? STFU and go away.
Cheney is only following the orders of the new Republican Leader, Rush Limbaugh. Look killing innocent people, lying, stealing is just as Rep. Cantor would say is the Republican Christian Vaules. We now know why the US can’t control Drugs as there being used by the Republicans. Get your daughters to follow Bristol and Carrie as they say one thing for the money but do something else. We have Judges who are in our Courts but their bigger criminals then those in jail.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:18 pmThe Republican Party is devolving into a group-think cult.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:18 pmTo all Republicans:
Whatever you do, follow the Dick.
He knows all about what the American people want.
I mean you only have to look at his approval ratings to see that he…..er…um..
Hey! Wait a minute! :)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls Dickie.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:23 pmGet ready to play ‘Drop the Soap’.
We’re comin’ for ya.
PFWoody488 Says:
To all Republicans:
Whatever you do, follow the Dick.
He knows all about what the American people want.
I mean you only have to look at his approval ratings to see that he…..er…um..
Hey! Wait a minute! :)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls Dickie.
Get ready to play ‘Drop the Soap’.
We’re comin’ for ya.
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dick is your leader!
dick is your leader!
dick is your leader!
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May 7th, 2009 at 9:25 pmThis is amazing, I actually agree with Dick (head) here. I think the gop should continue on its radical, moronic, hateful flailing about as it falls into the abyss! As much as I hate seeing his face I hope he sticks around for awhile, he is a nice reminder of all that is wrong with america.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pmThis is about fundamental beliefs and values and ideas…what the role of government should be in our society, and our commitment to the Constitution and Constitutional principles.
I can’t find the words to express how revolted I am by Dick Cheney claiming a commitment to the Constitution. The man cheerfully wiped his ass with the Constitution for the last eight years. I can’t even begin to list the number of times he demonstrated his absolute contempt for everything in the document and listening to this sanctimonious crap makes me want to scream.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:28 pm@16 ConcernedParent
cheney is the super villain of our times.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pmI don’t spend a lot of time or lose a lot of sleep over it.
Or, “Stop bothering me with this sh*t. I’m busy counting my Halliburton stock”.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pm@17 gummble-bee-itch Says:
every villain considers himself a saint.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pmKeep talking and bloviating Cheney. Follow your leader Rush staight to hell. You are making it so much easier for us next year and in 2012.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pmWould you let Cheney take care of your children while you go to the store?
May 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pmman, this is TOTAL MUSIC TO MY EARS.. the more these repugs say no, we don’t want to change, the more they dig their heels, the more that neanderthal Limbaugh opens his mouth (recession? what recession? I’m doing fine and dandy, thank you very much..) the deeper the grave the GOP is digging for itself.. please, you idiots, continue to do what you’re doing, don’t change a thing!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pmDIck Cheney , the X politician with probably the lowest approval ratings in history says ‘I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.I agree wholeheartedly !
May 7th, 2009 at 9:42 pmKeep up the good work republicans !
Cheney/Limbaugh 2012!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pmOh and here’s a bigger shovel you can use ,
May 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pmApe-Man Says:
Would you let Cheney take care of your children while you go to the store?
Awe, hell naw! That’s one creepy a$$ old man. He’s like the dude in the white van asking kids if they want some candy!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pmA word of caution to all the republicans in the audience: I know he’s your spiritual leader, but if he offers you a glass of koolade, wait until he’s not looking, and pour it on the ground.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pmIt’s interesting reading all the comments here because 99% of the posters really know very little about the Republican party in trhe first place.
I think it’s fair to say that conservatives and Republicans alike have a better understanding of why we have the President we now have than do the people who voted for him!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pmThe more you tighten your grip, Chainy, the more GOP systems will slip through your fingers.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:51 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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It’s interesting reading all the comments here because 99% of the posters really know very little about the Republican party in trhe first place.
I think it’s fair to say that conservatives and Republicans alike have a better understanding of why we have the President we now have than do the people who voted for him!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:49
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May 7th, 2009 at 9:51 pmPlease enlighten us oh great one.
Exactly, you Dick. Keep pushing your GNOP party further to the reich wing, don’t learn a damn thing from the electoral spanking of 08, let’s have a complete knockout in 2010 and 2012.
Dick.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pmThere are a number of factors that lead to our new President’s victory and the formet VP is right.
We conservatives allowed our core principles to be compromised, particularly within the Republican party. It is precisely BECAUSE we tried to be wishy-washy “moderates” that we were defeated.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pmflight,
Well, let me turn it around first. I am curious, why do you think the Democrat won?
May 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pmeyeswideopen1 Says:
Natural selection at work. How appropriate that the very party that flatly rejects Darwins theories is becoming extinct by the same process.
Absolutely right! In a similar vein, why do the creationists practice social darwinism an the progressives who are not afraid of science appreciate creation?
May 7th, 2009 at 9:57 pmTim Vaculik, I’m interested in hearing your deeper explanation to your post #29.
Thanks!
P.S. Cheney just creeps me out so I love slamming him.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:58 pmI also think it’s fair to say that a large segment of the population really doesn’t understand what conservatives actually stand for.
I also believe that a majority of Americans are actually more conservative in their world-view than conventional wisdom and the polls indicate.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:59 pmrightwing-leftwing,
I’m not sure I have the time to fully explain what I mean. I was using this to help illustrate my observation concerning the interesting phenomenon of progressives expounding upon the fate of the REpublican party, when they actually don’t understand much of what they say.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pmTim Vaculik Says:
There are a number of factors that lead to our new President’s victory and the formet VP is right.
We conservatives allowed our core principles to be compromised, particularly within the Republican party. It is precisely BECAUSE we tried to be wishy-washy “moderates” that we were defeated.
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“formet”?
is that the meth talking?
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May 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pmjoe,
No, just the two beers…
May 7th, 2009 at 10:02 pmTim Vaculik,
May 7th, 2009 at 10:03 pmThe last 8 years were pure Republican, right out of the playbook. Cut taxes, go to war, deficit spent and show the world who’s top dog. I thought that these were the core Republican principles and dear George was your poster boy. The war president, preemptive strikes and a host of Christian values that would propell this country into prosperity and the 21st century. Why are you bailing out now?
Hey Tim, I’ve been hearing about this concept that the conservatives lost their way, so-to-speak. Truthfully, if they stood for those values in their actions and didn’t allow the religious influence, I’d say they have MY vote. Do I make sense?
There are other fringe factors like Rush, Coulter, Fox News and others that bring the party down too. It would seem easy to just push back on those people to clean the GOP name. Your thoughts?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:06 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I think it’s fair to say that conservatives and Republicans alike have a better understanding of why we have the President we now have than do the people who voted for him!
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight… keep telling yourself that, Timmeh…
Or is that just the beer talking?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:09 pmTim Vaculik Says:
joe,
No, just the two beers…
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you republicans.
buzz driving is
drunk driving!
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May 7th, 2009 at 10:11 pmThe only way the republicans have ever won an election is by pulling a last minute Willie Horton or deal with the Iranians or stealing elections in FL and OH. They have never had ideas or policies to win wars. It is all based on lies and fear. It has finally caught up with them because the average American is smarter than the average republican. 21% identify as republicans, the other 79% know how to use YourTube.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pmI will give it a try, though.
The simplest explanation I have is that conservatives study history and value the lessons learned. We attach a great deal of importance to the history of our country and what makes it unique among all the nations of the earth.
That is one reason why we were able to discern exactly the type of political animal our new President is very early in his campaign. We studied his past, read all we could get our hands on concerning his mentors, his philosophy, his track record, his associates. In short, we weren’t caught up in the emotion, but concentrated on an objective analysis of just who this man was and where he was likely to take this country should he become president!
I knew many months before he was elected exactly what would happen. The only thing that has surprised me in the first 100 days is just how fast he would attempt to radically alter the very fabric of our country.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pmVaculik, the republicans didn’t become wishy washy moderates. They became power hungry neocons and spread war without any plan. The OSP was driven by the man this post is about and the republicans followed.
There was no fiscal responsibility, no smaller govt, and definitely no govt out of people’s private lives under the republicans.
There won’t be a large republican presence until there is a full mea culpa for the despicable manner in which they ran this country into the ditch.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pmflight,
Actually no. President Bush was conservative in some respects, but he is definitely not a true conservative.
There were numerous things he did that conservatives disagree with. One was all the spending (except that needed for the war.)
May 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pmTimmeh. I think it is reasonable to say you are a moron a VERY ignorant troll and you dont have a better understanding of ANYTHING than we do. Including what day it is. You are stupid Timmeh. VERY stupid. THINKING that means you understand things better is just one more in your long series of delusions
May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Does it embarrass you to lie and look so stupid? If you could read and discern, you would know that you are part of a failed philosophy to never, ever, be in control again. To have suppported W makes you a complete moron. Now move along, little wingnut.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm@37 Tim Vaculik Says:
What’s that got to do with asvice for your party from a murderer and torturer tim?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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It’s interesting reading all the comments here because 99% of the posters really know very little about the Republican party in trhe first place.
We know very little about the Republican party?! Members of the GOP are on the news EVERYDAY! Let me tell you what I know and learned about the Republican Party:
Republicans have not produced one new idea to help resolve issues in America. Boehner presented a FAKE budget with no numbers! They bring NOTHING but complaints to the table.
Republicans are the Grand Obstructionist Party: No to every piece of legislation that will help Americans.
I’ve learned that the Grand Old Party is full of rascists.
I’ve learned that the Grand Old Party is full of religious hypocrisy.
I’ve learned that the Grand Old Party is full of people against immigration reform.
I’ve also learned that the Republican party will not hesitate to lie and smear President Obama every chance they get.
SO YOU TELL ME SOMETHING I DON’T ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:19 pmhellinabucket,
Lioke I said, I agree with the fiscal irresponsibility part, but the new President has rendered that argument moot, wouldn’t you say?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:20 pmTim, it looks like many people were murdered in cheney’s torture program, and now he’s simply saying “I’ll be back!”.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pmWhat’s that got to do with President Obama again?
hormiga,
You made my point. You know nothing about Republicans at all…
May 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pmTimmeh you are staggeringly stupid. Delusion is to tame a word to describe how brainwashed you are. I am begging you to get the GOP to move further to the right. It is astonighinsly stupid to think the GOP lost because they werent rightwing enough but I am all for the GOP going the way of the WHIG party so please convince them to move further right.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pm…
tim vacasukadik,
joe’s has left the party.
that leaves just you.
stay. fight. die.
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good luck.
:)
May 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pmIf that’s true vaculik then you did a piss poor job of doing a background check on Bush.
The very fabric of our country is not being altered by Obama. Where was your outrage when Homeland Security was formed. The largest agency ever created and that was under Bush. Where was your outrage about fiscal irresponsibility when Bush continued to as for supplemental spending year after year for the great war on terror. Never having the balls enough to appropriate the money they knew they would need. Not very conservative there.
Where was your voice when the invasion of privacy stepped into uncharted territory under Bush.
Where was your concern after finding out that the borders were no safer after all the lip service Bush and Cheney were giving the american people.
Sorry vaculik, I don’t by your new found fear of our current president when the vast majority of the republican party quietly followed Bush for the never existing WMD’s in a country that never attacked us.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pmTim, take a look at the picture at the top. This man has plans for you too. This is just a minor set back fro cheney.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:23 pmRE: “I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.”
MY COMMENT: That’s our ‘Pricky Dick’ Cheney!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:23 pmI know you folks use the term “right wing” as a pejorative, but in reality you aren’t describing conservatives by doing so.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pmno vaculik, I don’t believe President Obama is showing fiscal irresponsibility. He met head on the problems that were ignored by Bush.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:25 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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I know you folks use the term “right wing” as a pejorative, but in reality you aren’t describing conservatives by doing so.
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There is nothing conservative about the reichwingnut facist extremism of the Bush Crime Family.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pmWell then enlighten me genious – IGNORANT RANTING is ALL I’ve seen and heard from the Republican Party.
All I’ve seen and heard is ignorant commentary straight from the mouths of Limbaugh, Gingrich, Cantor, Boehner, Steele, Sessions, Pence, Bachmann, McConnell, DeMint, Sanford, Perry, Palin, etc.
I’m waiting. Enlighten me since you know what the REAL REPUBLICANS ARE ALL ABOUT.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pmoh shyte I forgot Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Rove!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pm@56 EugeneDebs Says:
I think what tim means is that bush and cheney failed to achieve their closed marshall fascist state, after which they would have no problem maintaining that state and expanding it across the globe without discent, right tim?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pmApparently we have 21% of citizens stupid enough to think that the failed policies, wars, and philosophy of the Bush Crime Family was okay.
Message to these trolls and wingnuts:
President Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do. We elected him. You lost. Elections have consequenses. Losers sit on the bench and whine but have no relevance. Get over it losers.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pmThe republican party will continue to twist in the wind for some time to come. It appears the only real plan they have is to be obstructionists and try to wait it out.
But since there is no clear leader the fringes will try to gain power and bemoan about gay marriage and the fabric of our country while offering no real platform or message to bring to the american people.
The neocons (Wolfowitz, Rove, Card, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the like) have destroyed the GOP.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:30 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I know you folks use the term “right wing” as a pejorative, but in reality you aren’t describing conservatives by doing so.
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I can only speak for myself but NO. I do NOT use rightwing to talk about conservatives. To me conservatives are the principled people I remember like Goldwater and Danforth. Many rightwingers care only about power and serving power so many of the old core priniciples of conservatism like being wary of executive power, anti imperialism, keeping gov OUT of private lives have gone by the wayside. I think of modern rightwingers as more of radical statists than conservatievs.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm@68 hellinabucket Says:
but what if nobody wants to be a republican? who will be the opposition?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:32 pmhellinabucket,
You asked some good questions. Actually I WAS very upset with a number of things the former President did, particularly in the areas of immigration and spending.
But, there are deep, fundamental differences between President Bush and our new President.
I honestly believe that a large number of our new President’s supporters have no idea what he stands for or where he intends to take this country.
Our new President is the 11th President since I was born and I can say without any doubt that his world-view and his goals for this country are the most radical I have ever seen by an order of magnitude. He is like no other President I have ever known. The difference is dramatic and unsettling.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pmFrom the ashes of the GOP will rise another recreation of the conservative. I would fear the democrats if there wasn’t any opposition.
Power corrupts……….
May 7th, 2009 at 10:36 pmhellinabucket,
Oh, you mean the numerous times President Bush’s administration tried in vain to get the Congressional banking subcommittee headed by Barney Frank to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pmI think it’s interesting that Conservatives are trying to distance themselves from the Republican party.
During the 8 yr reign of the Republican Bush Crime Family, I do not recall hearing a peep out of Conservatives. Now they want to make sure we know the difference between a Conservative and a Republican.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pmWe conservatives allowed our core principles to be compromised, particularly within the Republican party. It is precisely BECAUSE we tried to be wishy-washy “moderates” that we were defeated.
Let me see…..Republican core principles:
Bankrupt the country by starting an illegal war and awarding
no-bid contracts to all your cronies to perform duties
that the military used to do for themselves, for FREE
Ruin the reputation of the United States around the world by
being a hubristic bully, breaking all treaties former
presidents have signed
Break international rules by imprisioning innocent Iraqis
(not all, obviously, but most) snatched from their country
and often literally sold to the military and dumping them
in the hell of Abu Graib and ultimately in the more
permanent hell of Guantanamo (Lindsey-girl Graham says
we have to keep them there forever)
Spit on the Constitution by violating the right of privacy
of every American by illegal wiretaps
Scaring the bejeezus out of us by prattling constantly about
how the terrorists are coming to get us and only THEY can
keep us safe (Let me see, WHO was president on 9/11?)
Snooping into the bedrooms of law abiding Americans and
forcing religious beliefs down the throats of the un-
believing or branding the un-patriotic if they don’t
believe in “Christian” values
Howling about homosexuality and loose morals while secretly
practicing the same (David Vitter, Larry Craig, Newt
Gingrich, et al.)
Ramping up xeonophobia about Hispanics, gays, anyone who
doesn’t bow down before Faux Noise and Rush Limpballs
The list is endless…..Barry Goldwater must be turning over in his grave. So, don’t tell me the Republicans give a crap
May 7th, 2009 at 10:40 pmabout the country or the people in it. They care about power, the corprate “person” and screwing the country for as much money as they can. Welcome to the real world.
Vaculik,
You weren’t unsettled when it became apparent that our leader had ordered the invasion of a country that had no WMD’s ready to destroy us, that there was no operational link between Iraq and AQ, that we had gone to war against a tactic terror is a tactic) and that anyone who would question it was called unpatriotic?
That wasn’t unsettling to you but the ideas that President Obama have presented do?
What do you find so much more unsettling than illegal wire tapping, cabinet level obstruction of justice, outing a secret agent and torture?
May 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm@72 hellinabucket Says:
Ya but conservatives should reset themselves to now, 2009, and then start conserving from here, not some perverted fail of a model to live by.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:44 pmEugeneDebs,
Except for the part about right-wingers being statists, I actually agree with the sentiments in your last post.
I realize I could have done a better job in explaining myself tonight, but all I can do is keep trying!
goodnight.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:45 pmglogrrl Says: Yes indeed!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:45 pmThe republicans will now and forever be known as the the murder and torture party and cheney is acknowledging the fact, and running with it.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pmVaculik, are you saying that Bush would go to the ends of the world to fight the Global War on Terrorism but was helpless against the mighty Barney Frank? Please tell me how this came to be.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm@73 Tim Vaculik Says:
i think you mean de-regulate, tim.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:47 pmApe-Man, No republican that is stained with the Bush administration has a chance to repackage the GOP and it won’t come from the likes of Palin or Jindahl either. This may be a generational thing and they might be a regional party for the next 10 to 20 years.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pmThe Republican Party will forever be tarnished by their legacy of torture handed down by the Bush Crime Family. Cantor gets a big E for EFFORT in trying to rebrand the GOP but they will forever be tarnished.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pmCheney was sharpening his teeth since his time in the Nixon administration and he decided he’s going to take this as far as he can.
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
I think it’s interesting that Conservatives are trying to distance themselves from the Republican party.
During the 8 yr reign of the Republican Bush Crime Family, I do not recall hearing a peep out of Conservatives. Now they want to make sure we know the difference between a Conservative and a Republican.
That’s been the conseravtive meme since they lost the ‘06 election: conservatives failed, not conservatism – when the reverse is obviously true. Just like it did under Reagan and Bush 1., it’s hilarious to watch them try to rationalize the failure of their ideology, into simply a failure of conservatives.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:54 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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flight,
Well, let me turn it around first. I am curious, why do you think the Democrat won?
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May 7th, 2009 at 11:00 pmTim,
Obama won because he offered possibilities. There was an enthusiasm about the possibilities of government getting it right.
The Republicans lost because they mismanaged the federal government. The Republicans couldn’t run the store so to speak.
Ideologies, core values, pure whatever buys you nothing when the rule of the day is pragmatism.
In closing I am very conservative in values and attitudes. The Republicans took total control of the government in 2000. To steal the idea from the Gipper, are we better off now than 8 years ago.
One possibility for the Democrat’s success!
hellinabucket Says:
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From the ashes of the GOP will rise another recreation of the conservative. I would fear the democrats if there wasn’t any opposition.
Power corrupts……….
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May 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pmCan’t agree with you more!
The country needs a loyal opposition. At present the opposition is in the middle of an idenity crisis and can’t seem to serve the country.
Cheney is glad his minions caried out their torture orders without flinching.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pmFlight, I just hope there are enough humble and clear thinking democrats that put the american public first.
Unfortunately, the republicans will obstruct at every opportunity and too many ears of the democrats will be filled with lobbyists directing them to special interests instead of the good of the commons (a reference I heard from Thom Hartman and I like it).
May 7th, 2009 at 11:11 pmMaybe what we’re looking at here is a group of crooks hijacked the “conservative” name-brand but it was a hood-wink to wage all kinds of crap for personal gain. I think this is what Tim V. is trying to say here. It’s like me going around preaching and asking for donations in a “gods” name but buying a brand new car and then leaving town. Ta-ta, thanks for the cash suckers!
The religious-right high jacked the GOP in the 60s’ (Goldwater warning) and the whole GOP thing train wrecked in 2006. Now we have this torture thing to deal with.
All the pundits are dragging this GOP party further in the toilet: Joe the non-union-plumber, Coulter, Rush, Hanity, Beck, Bill-O and Savage to name the heavy hitters. Unfortunately, their “product” is one of shock and I can’t see them “turning off” until the GOP is limping on one leg screaming for mercy.
Lastly, corporate “sponsorship” is nailing BOTH parties. I DO NOT TRUST most of these crooks.
Boy and Girls – what we have here is a mess!
P.S. I’m glad Obama is actually speaking more than any president I’ve ever seen. That’s a good thing that I think we need. I do understand the fear that conservatives have over the Recovery Act. I would have rather let the banks go into the crapper and saved the auto industry but, I’m biased because I hate bankers and grew up blue-collar.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pmTim Vaculik
I dont know what else to call those who would support GW Bushs VAST expansion of executive power and the unitary executive.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pmWonder what Cheney’s lesbian daughter thinks?
May 7th, 2009 at 11:20 pmTimmeh Vacuum, are you still sore from the other night’s whupping you took on global warming? Where you lied, and then couldn’t provide facts to back up you lies?
Ah well, you’re still here.
Lucky us.
:-/
Funny, though, because the majority of my right leaning friends were distancing themselves from Bush/Cheney and company years ago.
Whaddup wid dat? Now, instead of labeling themselves conservatives, they are “moderates”.
And, they saw the writing on the wall once PRESIDENT Obama was nominated by the Democratic Party.
Some even voted for him.
Some were pissed that McSame chose Palin as a running mate.
But all agreed that the last 8 years did NOTHING for the Republic Party, except isolate itself from true Democracy, which our country was founded upon.
Peace.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pmhellinabucket,
I am an optimist, plan and simple. Arlen Specter changed parties, but he put the Democrats on notice that he provides no rubber stamp. The rubber stamp is what got Bush and the country into trouble. From my point of view, Specter is principled. Maybe he is a trail blazer.
The internet is even more interesting. The politicians have to live with facts and honesty.
flight
May 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pmThere shouldn’t be a rubber stamp. There should be open and honest debate with different viewpoints. I am an optimist as well (my moniker is misleading) and hope to see more participation of average americans in the decision making of this country. Hopefully the internet can continue to be a source of the real story behind the stories that are pushed by cable news.
As for Arlen? I’m pretty sure he’s out for Arlen. But he’s also an accomplished legislator and he has readjusted the playing field.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pmI suppose he meant not being extremist as opposed to not being compassionaate…
May 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pmNext to pomposity in the dictionary there’s a picture of Timmy. I’m at least as old as he is and by the time we’re this old most of us realize we don’t have all the answers. Timmy has all the confidence of a fool. He repeats talking points like the lie that the mortgage crisis is Barney Frank’s fault and he doesn’t think we know where he gets this trash and the fact that this is just another fabrication to appease the morons who believe the crock of shit the RNC has been feeding them. And he thinks we’re the ones without a clue.
Timmy, go Cheney yourself.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pmDick Cheney
“I don’t spend a lot of time or lose a lot of sleep over it.”
Is he also referring to the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens that are rotting in their graves because of his decisions and policies? What about the 4,500 brave American troops lying dead that are scattered through out our country as a result of his bogus “theory” connecting Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and weapons of mass destruction. How about Dick? Do you lose any sleep from the tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis who are horribly maimed as a result of this fiasco in Iraq?
Probably not…I didn’t think so. Prick.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pmDoodlebug,
I used to use Bush as a profanity just like “…go Cheney yourself”.
Man you really Bushed that up.
that’s the Bushest thing you’ve ever said.
That’s a big, steamy pile of Bush.
thanks for reminding me of that.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:41 pmTIME FOR THE US MARSHALLS TO PUT THIS TWIT IN CUFFS AND SEND HIM TO THE HAGUE FOR HIS WAR CRIMES TRIAL!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pmI haven’t used it in a while hellinabucket but Tim is infuriating.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pmWHY IS THIS MAN NOT IN JAIL????
May 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pmHe – and they – must feel they can count on stealing elections forever.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:55 pm*
Cheney must be delt with.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:12 amThere’s been a lot of conservative angst over Bush’s spending policies, and people trying to distance themselves from his record, when in fact Cheney had been in charge of much of the agenda. It’s telling that no conservative pundits or politicians have dared suggest that Cheney wasn’t (and isn’t) conservative to the bone.
I think the sled dog comparison is apt. The republican dog team has been staring at Cheney’s ass for eight years, and even followed him off the electoral cliff. Yhat they are now in the wilderness, and still sniffing his butt, looking for direction, shows just how lost they are.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:14 amOne must be immoderate when one must forcibly query a detainee.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:18 amI agree, Dickster. Y’all just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s working out quite nicely — for Democrats.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:21 am5150 Says:
One must be immoderate when one must forcibly query a detainee.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Then one must expect to be tried in a court of law.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:22 amCheney and Linbaugh are the best face for Republicans the Democrats could ask for. And their identity crisis is displaying their core beliefs. Obama gets all this without too much political capital. What a pleasure!
May 8th, 2009 at 12:29 amThe issue I have with Conservatives, libertarians and moderates who are Republicans and/or voted for Republicans is that during the 8 year reign of the Bush Crime Family, none of you stood up to Bush or objected to the invasion of Iraq or the deregulation of the banks. Where were you Conservatives then?
May 8th, 2009 at 12:37 amPlease Republicans, don’t abandon your principles for a few moderate votes, you would never sleep at night if you didn’t fight for what God wants (as translated of course, by some rich, fcking POS white guy who makes his living off your redneck ass).
Gays are evil and don’t let anyone tell you different. Say it loud, say it proud… I am a Republican and I hate gays, brown people, black people, those slope bastards who can’t drive, poor people, and uppity women!
And if you have a problem with that, vote for a Democrat.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:55 amThe Congressional Banking Subcommittee (in truth, you’re speaking of the House Banking Subcommittee) was chaired by Republicans for six of the eight years of George Bush’s presidency.
Tim Vacuous would like us to believe that In the past two and a half years, Barney frank undid all the good regulation of Freddy and Fannie that the Republicans had struggled so mightily to maintain.
It must be sad to have so little raw clay from which to sculpt an argument, and to be forced to try to bulk it up with a pathetic mixture of flour and water.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:56 amCheck out Turley – says a special prosecuter is the wat to go.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30632169
May 8th, 2009 at 12:57 amSo what exactly is Steele after here. The sound of clicking heels? Do Republicans not understand how stupid they sound when the make comments like this?
May 8th, 2009 at 1:28 amWow. Poor Timmie Vacuous. You really are sad, Timmie, sad and deluded.
You claim that we don’t know anything about our current President? Bull.
Besides, we DO know one whole hell of a lot about our FORMER President, i.e., that he used our Constitution for toilet paper by flagrantly violating the civil rights of American citizens (spying, warrantless wiretapping), he ordered the TORTURE of detainees, he shat on the Geneva Conventions, he committed war crimes, he murdered millions of innocent Iraqis in an illegal war for profit, he recklessly squandered a budget surplus giving tax breaks to his corrupt Wall Street greedhead cronies, he made us one of the most hated nations on the planet, he allowed his greedy corporate pals to rape our environment, he removed regulations that protected coal miners – many of whom died because of unsafe working conditions that resulted…. I could go on, Timmie, about how he violated the separation of Church and State, he screwed over working class Americans in favor of the rich, etc. etc. etc. etc.
And you call Barack Obama a RADICAL???? HA.
But all that common sense and truth is wasted on you, I’m sure. You’ve got teabags stuffed in your ears, you delusional moron.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:32 amDang, Annie. Tell us how you really feel! ;)
May 8th, 2009 at 1:36 amLibellula saturata Annie Says: AWOMEN TO THAT!
That damn Timmy!
May 8th, 2009 at 1:52 amI hope the next time dickless Cheney goes hunting for quail, his shotgun backfires in his face. After all his failed attempts to die, I hope this one is a success.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Tim Vaculik Says:
hellinabucket,
Oh, you mean the numerous times President Bush’s administration tried in vain to get the Congressional banking subcommittee headed by Barney Frank to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
The Congressional Banking Subcommittee (in truth, you’re speaking of the House Banking Subcommittee) was chaired by Republicans for six of the eight years of George Bush’s presidency.
Tim Vacuous would like us to believe that In the past two and a half years, Barney frank undid all the good regulation of Freddy and Fannie that the Republicans had struggled so mightily to maintain.
It must be sad to have so little raw clay from which to sculpt an argument, and to be forced to try to bulk it up with a pathetic mixture of flour and water.”
Here is the problem with this argument…. You both want to blame the right or the left when in reality they are both equally at fault. D and R are =. The Federal Government should not have the power to effect the free market like they do, take it away from the dems and the repubs and we won’t have these debates.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:40 amXe Technology: To Purify America
May 8th, 2009 at 5:24 amFour heart attacks and this guy is still around phucking up the country.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:14 amOfTo
FSP created 2/10/2009 The Financial Stability Plan created for Capital Assistance to banks as determined by stress tests [76 billion] will, I am wagering, be paid out of this fund. [Example: 13.6 billion for GM to make more cars in Mexico, S. Korea, China]
Bye Bye GM was nice knowing ya.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:08 amI see you guys are thinking along the same lines I am. I almost laughed myself sick when I read that interview.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:11 amWhy is it that every time Cheney opens his HAZMAT mouth, it always coincides with a GOP threat to the American people? For example, Alexander’s recent threat to DOJ?
The Dems should have vote on renaming the GOP to the ‘Grand Obstructionist Party’?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:13 amRP
No they are NOT equally to blame. Deregulation mania was a RIGHTWING agenda. It was one of their mantras. I am STILL hearing it from the right. So not even in your wildest dreams can it be taken seriously that they are equally to blame. I am willing to say they are both to blame to some extend but there is no QUESTION the right is far MORE to blame.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:19 amCHENEY: …”and our commitment to UNDERMINE the Constitution and Constitutional principles.”
There fixed.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:04 amActually, it is the fascists like Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al, who ruined the Coservative movement, by them infiltrating the GOP and then sucking up to the Conservatives over Guns, Gays and God, and along the way the Mammonists (who protray themselves as preachers) have conspired to obtain power for the sake of power, and inward the bubble collapsed.
It is just another bubble. Tech bubble, Housing bubble, GOP power bubble. It is all fueled by the commond thread of money.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:13 amSee money IS the root of all evil.
The only thing that makes Dick Cheney happy is killing, so it’s not surprising he doesn’t want any rational thinking moderates in the republic party. Only right wing hate fringe groups need to apply!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:22 amI don’t think the repubs should turn moderate either.
Our government will soon be essentially a one party system ran by “Centrist” and “Moderates.”
You won’t be able to tell who’s a real repub or real dem.
Example: CAP is pretending to be liberals when they’re really neo conish on foreign policy.
Group think and One party rule works in communist china FOR NOW. But I’m not sure if that will work here.
What the republicans should do find better solutions for TODAYS problems that appeal to the american people and fits their principles.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:47 amStupid Repubs… now why would a “moderate” want to join a “conservative” group. Makes no sense. Idiots.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:48 amBad Dick, bad Dick.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:57 amModerate Republicans, somehow doesn’t fit…..they are what they are….intolerant, narrow-minded blowhards.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:00 amThis is exactly why Republicans will diminish, and go into the West, and remain the Glaringly Obfuscatory Party.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:01 amTim Vaculick @ 46 is oh so wrong. He says Obama is “altering the very fabric of our country.” I don’t see that happening yet, but I did see eight years of a Bush-Cheney administration altering our country’s fabric with secrecy in government, approving torture which our government has treaties against (signed by Reagan, no less), waging pre-emptive war which our country has rarely if ever done, blurring the lines between church and state, wasting our budget surplus on wars and plunging this country into the worst debt in its history, killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, not responding appropriately to natural disasters — the list goes on and on. Obama is trying to get us back to the noble country we once were but haven’t been in eight years. The GOP seems devoid of ideas and hasn’t done anything since Jan. 20 except say no. The GOP has even driven out its moderates like Arlen Specter in favor of an extreme philosophy that is embraced by a small minority of Americans.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:06 amI know this is Ideological, but isnt it time that both parties
May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 amstop the rhetoric and work together to solve these problems.
If there is on thing President Obama is good at is to bring
people together. May just maybe if the radical right and left
sat down and acted as Americans we could get these problems
solved with out all the rancor and frankly bullsh@t.
Somewhere there has to be common ground. Time to stop acting
like spoiled kids on both sides and give it up I really doubt
this would happen but as an American I would like to see the
President and Congress act as one to solve this
I agree 100% with Cheney. The GOP must stick to its core values–such as bigotry, selfishness, and war-mongering. Without these causes, the Republican Party would be wandering aimlessly, searching for a purpose and a constituency.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:00 amI would like to see the Republican Party move much farther to the right. If they move far enough, they will fall off the edge of the cliff.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:10 am“The rumors of the death of the Repulican Party have NOT been greatly exaggerated”
May 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am——————————————————————————–
Wis moderated Says:
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I know this is Ideological, but isnt it time that both parties
stop the rhetoric and work together to solve these problems.
If there is on thing President Obama is good at is to bring
people together. May just maybe if the radical right and left
sat down and acted as Americans we could get these problems
solved with out all the rancor and frankly bullsh@t.
Somewhere there has to be common ground. Time to stop acting
like spoiled kids on both sides and give it up I really doubt
this would happen but as an American I would like to see the
President and Congress act as one to solve this
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Frankly, I believe Obama has been trying. It takes both parties to make it work!
May 8th, 2009 at 11:00 amThus spoke Rush Cheney
May 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm“It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmI don’t know who said that but it certainly applies to this evil clown.
Wis moderated
Solve WHAT? This thread is about Darth Cheney’s OPINION that his party should not become more moderate. Exactly what is the crisis to solve here? Did you even READ the thread?
May 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pmI don’t spend a lot of time or lose a lot of sleep over it.
Yeah, Satan never sleeps.
Fcuk Cheney
May 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm@145 EugeneDebs Says:
Well, cheney just indicted himself again. It’s always news while a murderer and torturer is roaming free, and says things on TV! remember the way they covered OJ simpson, and that guy was just a football player. This would be wall to wall in a free country.
May 8th, 2009 at 2:56 pmRE – Cheney: ‘I think it would be a mistake’ for the GOP to become more moderate.
MY COMMENT: That’s our “Pricky Dick” Cheney!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pmApe-Man Says:
Well, cheney just indicted himself again. It’s always news while a murderer and torturer is roaming free, and says things on TV! remember the way they covered OJ simpson, and that guy was just a football player. This would be wall to wall in a free country.
Ape-Man,
But only if one does not watch Pox Snooze, as Cheney does. Pox would be Catapulting the Propaganda that the Main Stream Media is harrassing the former (un-elected) Vice Precedent.
When will this muddafugga be hung. That is all I am asking.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am“CHENEY: No I don’t. I think it would be a mistake for us to moderate. This is about fundamental beliefs and values and ideas…what the role of government should be in our society, and our commitment to the Constitution and Constitutional principles.”
This man has done more in his career to destroy our Constitution and the American way of life than the highest abitions of any communist leader or terriost leader.
He helped ramrod the organization, “THE REPUBLICAN PARTY”, that brought this great nation to its knees.
He should do as bush did, shut up, sit down, get a hammer and build an out house.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:35 amdelafield, they fell off the edge of the cliff years ago with the newt revolution.
Just took them a long time to reach the ground, but they there now.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:39 amseslichat
May 10th, 2009 at 8:14 pmsesli sohbet
sesli chat
seslisohbet
you guys are already moderate.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:38 pmseslichat
May 10th, 2009 at 11:46 pmsesli chat
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seslisohbet
Ohhhhhhhhhh, feel the love and the tolerance of all you lefties, for the Republican party. Got news for you Obamas election mobilized the silent majority more than ever. Cheney has nothing to worry about, the right is not about to go moderate, with the election of the thug from Chicago in the house.
Obviously no one here is aware of the success of the tea parties… Thousand mobilized across the country, and 35 States invoking the 10th Amendment!!!!!!! In your face Obama.
Oh, and there is a call for lying fossil Pelosi to step down!!!!!
May 11th, 2009 at 12:02 amHaven’t these people ever heard of the Bell Curve? The vast majority of the populace is moderate – either moderate conservative, or moderate liberal. Appealing only to the extremes means you’re aiming for the least amount of people. Last I checked, you need the *most* amount of people in order to win elections.
May 11th, 2009 at 5:39 am