Comments on: Christian Right: Obama Is A Heretic For Observing Day Of Prayer In Private Just Like Most Other Presidents http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: CHAVEZ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-5/#comment-5640973 CHAVEZ Wed, 13 May 2009 18:12:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5640973 Bluesunflower, I'll take that as LOST and LAUGHING. Hope you and everybody looks deeper at the issue. There've been enough Muslim defectors into the Christian church who've shared the Muslim Agenda with us as all the evidence you need. This Infidel is moving on. Over and Out! Bluesunflower, I’ll take that as LOST and LAUGHING. Hope you and everybody looks deeper at the issue. There’ve been enough Muslim defectors into the Christian church who’ve shared the Muslim Agenda with us as all the evidence you need. This Infidel is moving on. Over and Out!

]]> By: bluesunflower http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-5/#comment-5640101 bluesunflower Wed, 13 May 2009 06:02:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5640101 <em>CHAVEZ Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If what I'm saying irritates you, GOOD!!!</em> Trust me, you are anything but irritating. In fact, I'm still laughing. :D CHAVEZ Says:
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If what I’m saying irritates you, GOOD!!!

Trust me, you are anything but irritating. In fact, I’m still laughing. :D

]]> By: CHAVEZ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-5/#comment-5639767 CHAVEZ Tue, 12 May 2009 23:33:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5639767 Bluesunflower and Dontcallmeafrigginliberal, thankyou for feedback. I suppose if I was passive and not shakin any trees you'd be happy. But you and many fail to see that Christianity is a RADICAL and NARROW path of faith. Don't confuse GODS word with what you perceive as hate. Christians love life and all people. We invented the concept of tolerance. Every other faith presently kills many who don't agree with their view. Jesus irritated and upset many out of love and obedience to his Father GOD. He didn't come here to just hand out daisies and make people feel good about themselves. Why, he made people so mad they crucified him! And nothing has changed cause anytime a Christian wants to "SHARE" his faith, most of the time you get the typical range of "oh that's nice to how dare they tell me I must live a life pleasing to GOD". You ain't selling me nothin today that addressess the whole point Christianity addresses of Eternal life. Go ahead, get disgusted, get upset, hate what I say, mirror the path of disdain Mohammed took 700 years AFTER/AFTER/AFTER Christ! Christianity is a LIFE and DEATH CHOICE for your soul. WAKE UP! WERE NOT HERE JUST TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF! I'm yelling the same way a Drill Instructor yells at troops to keep them alive. With Passion and Intensity!!! TRUE CHRISTIANS are trying to show you the freedom you have in Christ. The Culture of death I'm addressing is way more than abortion. I'm talking about the fact that we're feeding our kids everything from complete disrespect of their fellow man, completely ignoring that children come from one man and one woman, to believing that "Education" is going to solve their problems. Go ahead and tell me how all those intelligent people who graduated from the right universities and had the right families and pedigrees were so wonderful in leading our financial institutions into MAYHEM. I'll tell you it was because they didn't have a moral compass, least of all GOD in their lives. I enjoyed most of your responses but the problem is they were based on common sense. What you say and think today is going to morph with your life experience outside of Christ. GODS word and message is constant and therefore THE TRUTH! If you didn't know, the muslim church, not the Christian church is the one growing. If that doesn't concern you, you're a fool. Yeah let's compare my view to Hitler. You're willing to be tolerant of people of whom when they get their numbers up, are NOT GOING TO TOLERATE YOU! Good thinking. THE FACT THAT ISLAM IS GROWING SUPER FAST, just ignore it. You're gonna be crying like they are in Europe right now. THAT IS FACT, NOT HATE! And by the way, we are loosing our youth because many Christian Church's have been more focused on getting people into the church via fancy marketing than presenting them with hard life saving discipleship that truly changes their life. Not because there's something wrong with Christianity. If we have a president that wants to be all things to all people, what good is he? He should have just honored the National Day of Prayer. Period! Thankyou for agreeing with me that the Mexican people are a blessing to this country. If what I'm saying irritates you, GOOD!!! Pray about it and enjoy a Taco or Burrito!!! Bluesunflower and Dontcallmeafrigginliberal, thankyou for feedback. I suppose if I was passive and not shakin any trees you’d be happy. But you and many fail to see that Christianity is a RADICAL and NARROW path of faith. Don’t confuse GODS word with what you perceive as hate. Christians love life and all people. We invented the concept of tolerance. Every other faith presently kills many who don’t agree with their view. Jesus irritated and upset many out of love and obedience to his Father GOD. He didn’t come here to just hand out daisies and make people feel good about themselves. Why, he made people so mad they crucified him! And nothing has changed cause anytime a Christian wants to “SHARE” his faith, most of the time you get the typical range of “oh that’s nice to how dare they tell me I must live a life pleasing to GOD”. You ain’t selling me nothin today that addressess the whole point Christianity addresses of Eternal life. Go ahead, get disgusted, get upset, hate what I say, mirror the path of disdain Mohammed took 700 years AFTER/AFTER/AFTER Christ! Christianity is a LIFE and DEATH CHOICE for your soul. WAKE UP! WERE NOT HERE JUST TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF! I’m yelling the same way a Drill Instructor yells at troops to keep them alive. With Passion and Intensity!!! TRUE CHRISTIANS are trying to show you the freedom you have in Christ. The Culture of death I’m addressing is way more than abortion. I’m talking about the fact that we’re feeding our kids everything from complete disrespect of their fellow man, completely ignoring that children come from one man and one woman, to believing that “Education” is going to solve their problems. Go ahead and tell me how all those intelligent people who graduated from the right universities and had the right families and pedigrees were so wonderful in leading our financial institutions into MAYHEM. I’ll tell you it was because they didn’t have a moral compass, least of all GOD in their lives. I enjoyed most of your responses but the problem is they were based on common sense. What you say and think today is going to morph with your life experience outside of Christ. GODS word and message is constant and therefore THE TRUTH! If you didn’t know, the muslim church, not the Christian church is the one growing. If that doesn’t concern you, you’re a fool. Yeah let’s compare my view to Hitler. You’re willing to be tolerant of people of whom when they get their numbers up, are NOT GOING TO TOLERATE YOU! Good thinking. THE FACT THAT ISLAM IS GROWING SUPER FAST, just ignore it. You’re gonna be crying like they are in Europe right now. THAT IS FACT, NOT HATE! And by the way, we are loosing our youth because many Christian Church’s have been more focused on getting people into the church via fancy marketing than presenting them with hard life saving discipleship that truly changes their life. Not because there’s something wrong with Christianity. If we have a president that wants to be all things to all people, what good is he? He should have just honored the National Day of Prayer. Period! Thankyou for agreeing with me that the Mexican people are a blessing to this country. If what I’m saying irritates you, GOOD!!! Pray about it and enjoy a Taco or Burrito!!!

]]> By: bluesunflower http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5638401 bluesunflower Tue, 12 May 2009 05:53:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5638401 <em>CHAVEZ Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bluesunflower, you've been informed.</em> If you mean I've now been informed about Complete Fantasy, Chicken Littlism, and Mountain Molehillism, then I guess I *do* have to thank you, Chavez. You've cleared things up beautifully. CHAVEZ Says:
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Bluesunflower, you’ve been informed.

If you mean I’ve now been informed about Complete Fantasy, Chicken Littlism, and Mountain Molehillism, then I guess I *do* have to thank you, Chavez. You’ve cleared things up beautifully.

]]> By: Dontcallmeafriggingliberal http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5638340 Dontcallmeafriggingliberal Tue, 12 May 2009 03:02:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5638340 Oh but, Chavez, I forgot to thank you . . . . . You have been able to articulate in just a few sentences all the energies that are destroying the Christian church. I'm not talking about Muslims here, I talking about the people like you who have hijacked the Christian church and turned it into the a hate filled, fear ridden, self congratulatory club of narrow minded bigots. Of course, that kind of thinking has been pervasive in Christian churches for a long time. Its just that your numbers have grow so much in the last 8 years or so that your energy is overwhelming other voices. It should be apparent to anyone over 5 with a brain that you are entirely nuts. Perhaps this is why the Christian church is losing young people at an alarming rate - a recent report shows 70% of young protestants have quit the church before they reach 30. Oh but, Chavez, I forgot to thank you . . . . .

You have been able to articulate in just a few sentences all the energies that are destroying the Christian church. I’m not talking about Muslims here, I talking about the people like you who have hijacked the Christian church and turned it into the a hate filled, fear ridden, self congratulatory club of narrow minded bigots.

Of course, that kind of thinking has been pervasive in Christian churches for a long time. Its just that your numbers have grow so much in the last 8 years or so that your energy is overwhelming other voices. It should be apparent to anyone over 5 with a brain that you are entirely nuts. Perhaps this is why the Christian church is losing young people at an alarming rate – a recent report shows 70% of young protestants have quit the church before they reach 30.

]]> By: Dontcallmeafriggingliberal http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5638314 Dontcallmeafriggingliberal Tue, 12 May 2009 02:26:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5638314 Chavez, you are the perfect example of an ignorant so called Christian. You speak in generalizations about "Muslims" as if they were a single entity and you are already at war with all non Christians, non Americans and non whites. But you are right, the Christian Church is not the enemy. What you don't get is that YOU are the enemy. I also don't understand this "Culture of Death" you refer to as a liberal cause. It makes no sense at all. Tell me, why do so many so called Christians support war and the death penalty and torture? I fully understand a persons abhorrence of abortion, but why does that so often come in the same package as a willingness to kill and maim and cause suffering to millions? Part of the answer to this I am sure is good old fashioned racism. Yours is hardly veiled at all in fact. You are no more a Christian than is Ahmadinejad. And, just change the word Muslim to Jew and your rhetoric is straight out of the mouth of Hitler. Chavez, you are the perfect example of an ignorant so called Christian. You speak in generalizations about “Muslims” as if they were a single entity and you are already at war with all non Christians, non Americans and non whites. But you are right, the Christian Church is not the enemy. What you don’t get is that YOU are the enemy.

I also don’t understand this “Culture of Death” you refer to as a liberal cause. It makes no sense at all. Tell me, why do so many so called Christians support war and the death penalty and torture? I fully understand a persons abhorrence of abortion, but why does that so often come in the same package as a willingness to kill and maim and cause suffering to millions?

Part of the answer to this I am sure is good old fashioned racism. Yours is hardly veiled at all in fact. You are no more a Christian than is Ahmadinejad. And, just change the word Muslim to Jew and your rhetoric is straight out of the mouth of Hitler.

]]> By: CHAVEZ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5638078 CHAVEZ Mon, 11 May 2009 23:14:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5638078 Bluesunflower, you've been informed. While being a Christian is a choice of your own free will today, it might not be for your grandchildren. Feel free to do your homework and look at the immigration and birthrate information in the United States, Canada, and most of Europe. The numbers speak for themselves. The Spanish ironically are only reproducing at a rate of 1.1 children per couple, the Canadians 1.6, the Greeks 1.3 etc. while Muslims are on average are having 8 children per couple. The U.S. is just barely holding the 2.11 line required to maintain our culture. The French are enjoying such peace right now with their immigration situation of Muslims, not. The Muslims are already trying to tell you the Holocaust didn't happen either. In the good ol Netherlands, please don't say or print anything that opposses the Muslim view. You might end up real sorry. Bluesunflower, the truth is you've already been overun by my Mexican brothers and sisters and luckily you're no worse for the wear. While we aren't Muslim, the parallels of the Mexican experience are there. The government looked the otherway for too long and now you've got a situation that's ok, but contentious. When the Muslims get their numbers up, IT WON'T JUST BE CONTENTIOUS!!! Ask a Serbian in Serbia if he's happy with the way his government is run now. You might never want to become a Christian but it behooves everyone in the U.S. to quit fighting the Christian Church. We're not the enemy!! Bluesunflower, you’ve been informed. While being a Christian is a choice of your own free will today, it might not be for your grandchildren. Feel free to do your homework and look at the immigration and birthrate information in the United States, Canada, and most of Europe. The numbers speak for themselves. The Spanish ironically are only reproducing at a rate of 1.1 children per couple, the Canadians 1.6, the Greeks 1.3 etc. while Muslims are on average are having 8 children per couple. The U.S. is just barely holding the 2.11 line required to maintain our culture. The French are enjoying such peace right now with their immigration situation of Muslims, not. The Muslims are already trying to tell you the Holocaust didn’t happen either. In the good ol Netherlands, please don’t say or print anything that opposses the Muslim view. You might end up real sorry. Bluesunflower, the truth is you’ve already been overun by my Mexican brothers and sisters and luckily you’re no worse for the wear. While we aren’t Muslim, the parallels of the Mexican experience are there. The government looked the otherway for too long and now you’ve got a situation that’s ok, but contentious. When the Muslims get their numbers up, IT WON’T JUST BE CONTENTIOUS!!! Ask a Serbian in Serbia if he’s happy with the way his government is run now. You might never want to become a Christian but it behooves everyone in the U.S. to quit fighting the Christian Church. We’re not the enemy!!

]]> By: bluesunflower http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637773 bluesunflower Mon, 11 May 2009 21:03:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637773 <em>CHAVEZ Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU OWE THE FUTURE IGNORANT MASSESS THE TRUTH!</em> As do you, and you're not saying any of it. CHAVEZ Says:
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YOU OWE THE FUTURE IGNORANT MASSESS THE TRUTH!

As do you, and you’re not saying any of it.

]]> By: Betty J http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637491 Betty J Mon, 11 May 2009 20:02:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637491 I'm a conservative Christian, and I disagree with most of what Obama does. However, I think he did the right thing in not holding a public prayer event. I either would have felt he was doing it just for show, or else he would have mixed it up so much that a true Christian could not participate. What would be the point? We have freedom of religion in this country (for how long, I don't know). People may gather or not gather, pray or not pray, as they choose. Forced faith is not true faith. I believe hard times are coming. But I believe God will use it to purify those who are truly His, humble us, and bring us to the point where we depend only on Him. I’m a conservative Christian, and I disagree with most of what Obama does. However, I think he did the right thing in not holding a public prayer event. I either would have felt he was doing it just for show, or else he would have mixed it up so much that a true Christian could not participate. What would be the point?
We have freedom of religion in this country (for how long, I don’t know). People may gather or not gather, pray or not pray, as they choose. Forced faith is not true faith.
I believe hard times are coming. But I believe God will use it to purify those who are truly His, humble us, and bring us to the point where we depend only on Him.

]]> By: CHAVEZ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637268 CHAVEZ Mon, 11 May 2009 18:55:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637268 FOR ALL YOU INTELLIGENT LIBERALS OUT THERE WHO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BIBLE YOU HAVEN'T READ! Glib as you are with the current culture of death you seem to promote, it would have been very sporting of the President to at least maintain the APPEARANCE of caring about the national day of prayer during his 1st year in office! Split hairs about those in the Christian leadership all you want but the joke is going to be on you! Currently in the world, the Muslim people are having way more children than you are so enjoy your ingnorance today and the promise of a Bosnian/Serbian like struggle, perhaps domination in the next 20 to 30 years. Keep splitting hairs children cause countries like ours were formed by none other than those with a Christian foundation. LIBERAL people of the world, get ready to cover yourselves especially women, you're going to offend your MUSLIM keepers. If you're Muslim and I've offended you, please tell us all about your concept of TAKIA/TAQUIA, however you spell it. YOU OWE THE FUTURE IGNORANT MASSESS THE TRUTH! Many of us Christians know about your plans to blend in and dominate. Your future American subjects are fighting over who Jesus, the SON of GOD was and is today! You have an excellent U.S. president willing to facilitate this process for you. JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!! FOR ALL YOU INTELLIGENT LIBERALS OUT THERE WHO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BIBLE YOU HAVEN’T READ! Glib as you are with the current culture of death you seem to promote, it would have been very sporting of the President to at least maintain the APPEARANCE of caring about the national day of prayer during his 1st year in office! Split hairs about those in the Christian leadership all you want but the joke is going to be on you! Currently in the world, the Muslim people are having way more children than you are so enjoy your ingnorance today and the promise of a Bosnian/Serbian like struggle, perhaps domination in the next 20 to 30 years. Keep splitting hairs children cause countries like ours were formed by none other than those with a Christian foundation. LIBERAL people of the world, get ready to cover yourselves especially women, you’re going to offend your MUSLIM keepers. If you’re Muslim and I’ve offended you, please tell us all about your concept of TAKIA/TAQUIA, however you spell it. YOU OWE THE FUTURE IGNORANT MASSESS THE TRUTH! Many of us Christians know about your plans to blend in and dominate. Your future American subjects are fighting over who Jesus, the SON of GOD was and is today! You have an excellent U.S. president willing to facilitate this process for you. JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!

]]> By: vanax http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637269 vanax Mon, 11 May 2009 18:54:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637269 Hi voiceofelyon, What makes you think that you can get away with not praying inside your closet when the Word clearly demands it? Hi voiceofelyon,
What makes you think that you can get away with not praying inside your closet when the Word clearly demands it?

]]> By: voiceofelyon http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637248 voiceofelyon Mon, 11 May 2009 18:46:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637248 OK, now that I've gone through the process of joining in on this conversation, it's obvious that we all have an opinion about the issue at hand. I for one am a very proud Born Again Christian Believer and just want to say that you should read Revelation 22:7-16. Let everyone feel how they feel and leave them alone. When all is said and done, Jesus will set it in order when He comes for us that believe. So far as the prayer thing, it is a choice that the President has made. I agree with him fully for the simple fact that I would rather do as the Word of God says by praying in secret He will reward you openly. I am sure that the past presidents that have prayed openly would change that according to the results that came about whether or not our Saviour heard and honored their prayer. I will not proceed to comment on any past events, I will say that time will tell if the Lord will honor any prayers from this point. I would rather pray in privacy and not make an open show of it and receive openly the result of my prayers. For the people that are upset about the president's actions, they should walk the walk that they talk. If they have "relationship" with the Lord Jesus, He will respond to the prayer whether in public or private. I believe that the people that are upset just are upset about not being able to be invited to the White House to prove that they are in the who of the who. Only the who's get invited. We should focus on praying in general for our country, our leader-yes, Obama is our leader whether others like it or not- and for the whole world. Jesus has the last say in the whole matter. Just Pray. I thank the Lord for a site like this because others no matter what they believe get to hear the gospel whether they believe it or not-whether they go to church or not-whether they believe in Satan or not, Just Pray if led to pray in a large gathering, do so. You dont't need any cameras to acknowledge that you have done it. !!! OK, now that I’ve gone through the process of joining in on this conversation, it’s obvious that we all have an opinion about the issue at hand. I for one am a very proud Born Again Christian Believer and just want to say that you should read Revelation 22:7-16. Let everyone feel how they feel and leave them alone. When all is said and done, Jesus will set it in order when He comes for us that believe. So far as the prayer thing, it is a choice that the President has made. I agree with him fully for the simple fact that I would rather do as the Word of God says by praying in secret He will reward you openly. I am sure that the past presidents that have prayed openly would change that according to the results that came about whether or not our Saviour heard and honored their prayer. I will not proceed to comment on any past events, I will say that time will tell if the Lord will honor any prayers from this point. I would rather pray in privacy and not make an open show of it and receive openly the result of my prayers. For the people that are upset about the president’s actions, they should walk the walk that they talk. If they have “relationship” with the Lord Jesus, He will respond to the prayer whether in public or private. I believe that the people that are upset just are upset about not being able to be invited to the White House to prove that they are in the who of the who. Only the who’s get invited. We should focus on praying in general for our country, our leader-yes, Obama is our leader whether others like it or not-
and for the whole world. Jesus has the last say in the whole matter. Just Pray. I thank the Lord for a site like this because others no matter what they believe get to hear the gospel whether they believe it or not-whether they go to church or not-whether they believe in Satan or not, Just Pray if led to pray in a large gathering, do so. You dont’t need any cameras to acknowledge that you have done it.

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]]> By: vanax http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637215 vanax Mon, 11 May 2009 18:30:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637215 I think the Bibles says to pray in the "closet." A Fundie like Elizabeth is admonished not to interpret the Word. She must not interpret what is meant by anything in the Bible, not even what "closet" has come to mean, for any reason. Therefore, today's definition applies. A closet in a house today is a small room where you keep your clothes. Therefore, Elizabeth needs to go into her closet to pray with her clothes. This also means that the Fundie must demand that Obama hold a prayer service inside his closet with his clothes. I think the Bibles says to pray in the “closet.” A Fundie like Elizabeth is admonished not to interpret the Word. She must not interpret what is meant by anything in the Bible, not even what “closet” has come to mean, for any reason. Therefore, today’s definition applies. A closet in a house today is a small room where you keep your clothes. Therefore, Elizabeth needs to go into her closet to pray with her clothes. This also means that the Fundie must demand that Obama hold a prayer service inside his closet with his clothes.

]]> By: FredericStarchenkovenner http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637114 FredericStarchenkovenner Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637114 The christian mantra is to demonize any and all that do not have the lock step ideology in wrote beneath their brow. America is a secular country so let em eat cake. Frederic Starchenkovenner The christian mantra is to demonize any and all that do not have the lock step ideology in wrote beneath their brow.

America is a secular country so let em eat cake.

Frederic Starchenkovenner

]]> By: fullmoto http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5637044 fullmoto Mon, 11 May 2009 17:08:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5637044 As to what ConservativeForProgress says, the comments from the Rev. Wright infuriate me as well, who is he to say "God damn America!" hmmmm lets see, he was born in 1941, so he had to live until he was 24 for the right to vote and see the elimination of Jim Crow Laws that could prevent him from riding in the front of the bus, eating in any resturant he chose to and even attending schools that were desginated Whites only, and then only with the help of the National Guard. Who the hell does this guy this he is to even think about carrying around a chip on his shoulder. I wonder how CFP would feel if he lost the right to vote for 8 years. Or even if CFP even looked at the speech to see he was calling out the United States for the explotation of its citizens in the Tuskegee experiment, the internment of the Japanese, the United States being the only country to use nuclear weapons on it enemies. I am not sure where where he gets the Mandela/CIA or how our goverment created of the HIV virus, there are about as logical as CFP connection to President Obama choosing to observe the day of pray in private and how that will ruin America. I am also curious to why CFP choose that name, I would imagaine that conserivtism would be set into holding on to ideas from the past and not progressing with the world. So if that was the case, Women and blacks would not be able to vote, the Civil rights movement would be turned back, and America would retreat back into isolationism and abandon its policy of spreading democracy where it is not needed or wanted. As to what ConservativeForProgress says, the comments from the Rev. Wright infuriate me as well, who is he to say “God damn America!” hmmmm lets see, he was born in 1941, so he had to live until he was 24 for the right to vote and see the elimination of Jim Crow Laws that could prevent him from riding in the front of the bus, eating in any resturant he chose to and even attending schools that were desginated Whites only, and then only with the help of the National Guard. Who the hell does this guy this he is to even think about carrying around a chip on his shoulder. I wonder how CFP would feel if he lost the right to vote for 8 years. Or even if CFP even looked at the speech to see he was calling out the United States for the explotation of its citizens in the Tuskegee experiment, the internment of the Japanese, the United States being the only country to use nuclear weapons on it enemies.

I am not sure where where he gets the Mandela/CIA or how our goverment created of the HIV virus, there are about as logical as CFP connection to President Obama choosing to observe the day of pray in private and how that will ruin America.

I am also curious to why CFP choose that name, I would imagaine that conserivtism would be set into holding on to ideas from the past and not progressing with the world. So if that was the case, Women and blacks would not be able to vote, the Civil rights movement would be turned back, and America would retreat back into isolationism and abandon its policy of spreading democracy where it is not needed or wanted.

]]> By: matai http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5636994 matai Mon, 11 May 2009 16:52:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5636994 Which party (people)can you guess is represented by these two men in this parable from Like 18:10-14; 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. God is Sovereign and is in the world today. He lead the blind and the seer to his/her end until judgment day; thus the parable of the wheat and the tare. Peace Which party (people)can you guess is represented by these two men in this parable from Like 18:10-14;

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

God is Sovereign and is in the world today. He lead the blind and the seer to his/her end until judgment day; thus the parable of the wheat and the tare.

Peace

]]> By: Dontcallmeafriggingliberal http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5636886 Dontcallmeafriggingliberal Mon, 11 May 2009 15:15:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5636886 <strong>Getting back to commenting on this piece. The real issue is not one of religion or politics. It is that a very vocal group is able to get air time by disseminating baseless lies about our presidents actions and our national history. If you lie to make a point then your whole position is built on sand. Your audience will only be composed of the witless or ignorant, or those so fearful they are willing to overlook your lies because your message gives them comfort - these are the sheeple who tune in daily for their dose of AM pabulum. Unfortunately, to return again to politics, this seems also to be the current base of the GOP.</strong> Getting back to commenting on this piece. The real issue is not one of religion or politics. It is that a very vocal group is able to get air time by disseminating baseless lies about our presidents actions and our national history.

If you lie to make a point then your whole position is built on sand. Your audience will only be composed of the witless or ignorant, or those so fearful they are willing to overlook your lies because your message gives them comfort – these are the sheeple who tune in daily for their dose of AM pabulum. Unfortunately, to return again to politics, this seems also to be the current base of the GOP.

]]> By: cara_mor http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5636739 cara_mor Mon, 11 May 2009 13:03:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5636739 why so much hate? My grandmother always said "If we don't love each other how can we make life better for anyone?" My question is "if you should live as your god does, do you think this makes him proud?" why so much hate? My grandmother always said “If we don’t love each other how can we make life better for anyone?” My question is “if you should live as your god does, do you think this makes him proud?”

]]> By: Jimmy Evan Gelist http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/07/obama-day-of-prayer/comment-page-4/#comment-5636726 Jimmy Evan Gelist Mon, 11 May 2009 10:25:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=39052#comment-5636726 My, my, my. Aren't we in a God bashing mood. I've read these little remarks, and I can see how another country wouldn't think it would be too terribly difficult to take over America. Just stir the populace up a little and let them bash each other until they don't care who is in power. From the President thru the Senate, thru the House of Representatives. It would only take 4-6 years to do it! Realize that there are extreme people on the right and the left. Just be aware that they really are in a minority within their wing and remember that our great Nation is what is at stake here. Just my moniker alone probably set off a few hard noses both right and left. Yes, I'm religous. And, yes I do not agree with everything every President does. However, I don't get into hate with people over religion, politics, or if the sky is actually falling in little bitty particles that will kill everything. What is important is that differences are there, like them or not. America was built with differences and we work them out...not destroy the very model this Country was built on. Don't let other countries buy up our businesses, land, farms, and neighbors homes. I believe that every American should buy American and not let our jobs go to other countries, while letting other countries build their products here...when they do our companies go under! Look around folks...America is in trouble and we need to fix the problems...not make more!! My, my, my. Aren’t we in a God bashing mood. I’ve read these little remarks, and I can see how another country wouldn’t think it would be too terribly difficult to take over America. Just stir the populace up a little and let them bash each other until they don’t care who is in power. From the President thru the Senate, thru the House of Representatives. It would only take 4-6 years to do it!
Realize that there are extreme people on the right and the left. Just be aware that they really are in a minority within their wing and remember that our great Nation is what is at stake here.
Just my moniker alone probably set off a few hard noses both right and left.
Yes, I’m religous. And, yes I do not agree with everything every President does. However, I don’t get into hate with people over religion, politics, or if the sky is actually falling in little bitty particles that will kill everything.
What is important is that differences are there, like them or not. America was built with differences and we work them out…not destroy the very model this Country was built on. Don’t let other countries buy up our businesses, land, farms, and neighbors homes. I believe that every American should buy American and not let our jobs go to other countries, while letting other countries build their products here…when they do our companies go under!
Look around folks…America is in trouble and we need to fix the problems…not make more!!

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