Kristol: ‘Literally, On Substance, There Is Now No Argument For Closing Guantanamo’
Kristol: ‘Literally, On Substance, There Is Now No Argument For Closing Guantanamo’
In recent days, Republicans in Congress, desperate for some political traction, have for some unknown reason latched onto the idea that criticizing the Obama administration for wanting to close Guantanamo Bay is a good one. Last night on Fox News, right-wing super-hawk Bill Kristol came on board.
Kristol criticized Rep. Adam Schiff’s (D-CA) argument that detainees should be given “the same due process we give our own troops,” saying it is a political “gift” to Republicans (nevermind the fact that GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham made a similar argument the previous day). “Why not keep Guantanamo open?” Kristol asked, claiming that there is no longer any reason to close it:
KRISTOL: Literally, on substance, there is now no argument for closing Guantanamo. It is entirely symbolic. Obama has shown he symbolically would like to. The Europeans love him. They can’t love him anymore, you know. He should reverse himself.
And the Republican position should now be not just to embarrass the Democrats. Republicans should say it is a ridiculous waste of money, and a little dangerous, incidentally, to now close what has turned out to be an extremely effective, well-run facility.
Watch it:
What Kristol doesn’t understand is that symbolism actually creates substance and the Guantanamo Bay prison serves as a symbol that harms U.S. national security. Indeed, “16 highly-respected intelligence and counterterror officials” told the U.S. Supreme Court last January that holding detainees without due process provides “a powerful recruitment tool for violent extremists…and greater risk to the security of the Nation.” Other experts agree:
– Center for Strategic and International Studies: “In the view of many around the world, Guantanamo represents indefinite detention, torture, and abuse…Guantanamo does serve as a recruitment tool for al Qaeda.”
– Council on Foreign Relations expert Daniel Prieto: Gitmo has “direct effects on our counterterrorism policies, making them brittle and making the United States less safe in the world, in terms of serving as propaganda and an active recruitment tool for terrorists and really inflaming public opinion around the world.”
Even Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), whom Kristol fervently supported to become the nation’s next president, has said “Guantanamo has become a symbol around the world that is not good.”
Indeed, as the Wonk Room’s Matt Duss noted, Gitmo “remains a potent symbol of American lawlessness, and a driver of anti-American sentiment” and “raises the political costs for potential American allies and partners.” Addressing Kristol’s claim that Gitmo has been “effective,” Duss notes that it “has been a significant radicalizing force for Islamic militants” and adds, “So yes, it’s been effective — at getting American soldiers killed.”
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“No reason”?
How about closing Gitmo to reclaim our status as a civilized nation that doesn’t hold people without due process? Not to mention that every day we continue to hold these people, without due process, we create more enemies.
May 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pmKRISTOL: Literally, on substance, there is now no argument for closing Guantanamo. It is entirely symbolic.
– - Good grief, Billy. Symbols without actions are like putting the bumper sticker on the back seat. Hey, we didn’t need to actually fight the Iraq War; we could have just jawboned Saddam into submission.
These people are clinical.
May 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pmLiterally what substance is this dude on?
May 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pmIs this another Kristol/Neocon statement with no basis in fact, reality, or common sense?
May 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pmWhose side is Bill Kristol on?
May 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pmWhy does anyone listen to this clown? More importantly, why does he still have a job?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pmdbadass Says:
Literally what substance is this dude on?
Given the ever present sheen of greasy sweat that no makeup can conceal and his irrational, aggressive, BS; I would guess meth.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pmSo he wants substance, not symbols.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pmHow about millions of dollars being spent keeping it open.
Gitmo does have the negative symbolism. I agree it would be much better if it didn’t exist. I understand the sentiment that when it is closed it will help rectify the situation, assuming no negative unintended consequences occur from the closing.
That is the assumption. That when we close Gitmo the detainees will be successfully relocated to various, less divisive locations.
What if, a detainee or some detainees are mistreated or mishandled or otherwise negatively impacted or harmed by the transfer?
Could this change have more downside potential than the benefits of improving the symbolism?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pmhas turned out to be an extremely effective, well-run facility.
Yeah, I mean the productivity of the facility has gone through the roof.
Kristol can’t call it what it is – Jail with no exit. Come here Kristol, I’ll give you substance right on your behind.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pmCheney is the reason to close Gitmo. that’s why this moron sees no reason to close gitmo.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pmWhat if, a detainee or some detainees are mistreated or mishandled or otherwise negatively impacted or harmed by the transfer?
Right! Better to mistreat and mishandle them there.
Could this change have more downside potential than the benefits of improving the symbolism?
WTF? Just because Kristol used the word symbolism doesn’t mean it made any sense. With Gitmo open, the symbolism is that the US has a terrorist government.
Why do you think you have to justify all the right wing nutbar talking points?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pmI believe Guantanamo should be kept open as a place to put the Zionists.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:15 pmKristol is becoming a counter terrorist, just as the extremists had hoped. kristol is the american weakness that the extremists can exploit. cheney is the weakness the extremists exploited.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAmong the best reasons for closing Gitmo is that a neo-conman thinks it should stay open. This is another guy that has been proven wrong time and again. If he says to keep it open, then it most definately needs to be closed.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pmAnother ‘Scoop Jackson’ type who wants more reasons to spend more on defense.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pmIf Kristol hasn’t been correct on anything for the last 8 years running, why does he get to keep his national platform? Oh right, he is a wealthy, GOP water-carrier and therefore any facts, ability, insight, and credibility are entirely irrelevant.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pmThat’s just silly, b-kup. Unless you are suggested that the prisoners be chained to oars and whipped until they reach their destination?
Seriously. I don’t think anyone, even whacked out fundamentalists, would confuse a mishap during a transfer with indefinite detention in a closed facility like Gitmo. Unless someone decides to shoot the whole bunch for “trying to escape”.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pmOops! suggested=suggesting
May 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pmPerhaps closing Gitmo as a symbol is exactly what we need.
If Gitmo was to be closed, perhaps this is a message that needs no translation to the rest of the world that America has reflected on its practices and is making a concerned effort to cooperate more as a globally-concerned country. Perhaps there needs to be more symbolic efforts like this such as cooperating with ecological standards to reduce carbon footprints and dependence on oil.
Of course, the conservative movement sees this symbolic closing as a white flag and the opening of a gateway towards more extremist activity. I don’t necessarily see it as America turning into a 98-pound weakling here, but rather an intelligent and humane adult who knows when to fight for freedom and when to negotiate for fairness.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pmSo Kristol thinks that we should keep these people who have not been charged or convicted of any crime in Guantanamo for the rest of their natural lives. I would like to hear how he could justify that happening.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:27 pmHow many times does this propagandist have to be proven wrong before people stop listening to him???
May 8th, 2009 at 5:27 pm@22 WaltinTexas Says:
Ya, i guess that’s not going to happen, unless FOX goes legitimate.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:30 pmfrankly, literally and the fact of the matter is, it was good that republican justice finally caught up with drew petersen!!! the demlib killinois political and human crime spree is being halted!!! the quality in life in killinois has taken a serious hit since the days of home alone thanks to the liberal takeover!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pmKristol won’t be happy until every Muslim and Arab on the face of the Earth is dead.
This is what Kristol’s friends in Israel are telling the Palestinians who live in the Israeli controlled concentration camps in Gaza…
“Go back and die in Gaza.”
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/crisisingaza/2009/05/20095732233520800.html
May 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pmneo, stay on topic.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pmbackup Says:
What if, a detainee or some detainees are mistreated or mishandled or otherwise negatively impacted or harmed by the transfer?
Could this change have more downside potential than the benefits of improving the symbolism?
So, you are saying that because there’s a chance that something negative could happen to one of the detainees, they should be kept at Gitmo forever? Don’t you think that the detainees think being held at Gitmo is a negative thing? Do you think if you asked them, “which would you rather do, stay here forever or take your chances being transferred elsewhere”, that they would say they want to stay at Gitmo?
You are a fool and you are a tool. Why do you waste our space with your inane comments?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm“Coercive interrogations don’t work and fall outside the legal and moral obligations that this nation assumed in 1776,” said one of the signers, M.E. (Spike) Bowman
With the number of ‘experts’ stating the obvious fact that Gitmo represents the U.S. being a ‘terrorist government’, why is it that Billy Boy thinks his current opinion is actually MORE CREDIBLE than the experts? What makes him so certain that anyone [other than the lunatic fringe base] LISTENS TO OR BELIEVES anything he now has to say particularly since he has no expertise or qualifications on terrorism or the military? He had been entirely and excruciatingly wrong on ‘W’ for the entire duration of W’s administration.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pmFox nausea is the only media outlet that lets kristol spew his bullsht. I think that sums it up. How can anyone believe anything that fox sends out over the airwaves.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pmCONVINCING THE DUMBED-DOWN THAT WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL IS LIKE TRYING TO TEACH A LATTER DAY REPUBLICAN ABOUT EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY OR ECOLOGY
WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL
http://lawreview.wustl.edu/slip-opinions/waterboarding-is-illegal/
1. Torture Act
2. War Crimes Act
3. Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of Persons Under Custody or Control of the United States Government
4. Additional Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment of Punishment
“The United States has enacted statutes prohibiting torture and cruel or inhuman treatment. It is these statutes which make waterboarding illegal. The four principal statutes which Congress has adopted to implement the provisions of the foregoing treaties are the Torture Act, the War Crimes Act,and the laws entitled “Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of Persons Under Custody or Control of the United States Government” and “Additional Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.” The first two statutes are criminal laws while the latter two statutes extend civil rights to any person in the custody of the United States anywhere in the world.”
May 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pmkristol’s right that it’s a ridiculous waste of money to close guacamole bay! the lost productivity of the prisoners (which is the highest productivity rate in lazy cuba) will be a detriment to the world economy. first tobacco and now guantanomy. when will the lib destruction ever end???
May 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pmOnce again Bloody Bill shows us that he has no shame, no conscience, no ability to ever get ANYTHING right.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pmBloody Billy has made a career of being absolutely wrong about everything he comments on. I would have to say, why is this steamy pant load quoted on this site?
May 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pmKristol : “an extremely effective, well-run facility.”
May 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pmThis man is a lunatic. Unless he means “effective” in imprisoning people who are quite possibly innocent, giving them no charges or trial whatsoever, torturing them, making the U.S. look as bad as any tyrannical dictatorship in the world, etc. It’s certainly been effective at doing that. Do people like Kristol really think anyone (other than the 20-ish %) believe the garbage he spews?
neoparody Says:
kristol’s right that it’s a ridiculous waste of money to close guacamole bay! the lost productivity of the prisoners (which is the highest productivity rate in lazy cuba) will be a detriment to the world economy. first tobacco and now guantanomy. when will the lib destruction ever end???
The parody once again proves his moniker is accurate.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pmI was thinking less about something happening to the detainees in the actual transfer and more about what happens to the detainees after they arrive at their new location.
Like it or hate it, the detainees are now at Gitmo under the control of the U.S. government headed by Obama and the Democratic party.
If the detainees are split up and sent to a few dozen different locations (other countries), what assurance would there be that the detainees would be treated better in those countries rather than under the control of the Obama lead U.S. government at Gitmo? Couldn’t the Obama administration more readily assure the fair treatment of the detainees as opposed to relinquishing that responsibility to others?
If something would happen to a detainee in new country X (out of our control) we would still bear some responsibility for the situation because we were the cause of the original detainment.
And I don’t think the detainees should be kept at Gitmo indefinitely. They should get an expeditious trial. Maybe keeping them at Gitmo is the best way to ensure they get the trial they deserve without exposing them or the U.S. to additional risk.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pmSome guys who lived in caves captured without cases against them should not be held indefinitely. I read of one who was sixteen when we picked him up and now he is in his twenties and has never had charges against him! That is inhumane! This place needs to be advertised as the other Katrina of the Bush Crime Family and closed down.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pmMaybe I missed something? Who said anything about shipping our problem to other countries?
Here’s the quick and dirty version of my plan: Send them to maximum security prisons in the U.S. and adjudicate their cases as quickly as humanly possible.
It might be a good idea to give any who are found innocent a huge settlement in addition whatever they need to go back to some kind of normal life. And those found guilty of crimes against U.S. soldiers/citizens should be quickly and fairly sentenced. Those who committed crimes against citizens of other countries would be the only ones conceivably transferred to another jurisdiction.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:23 pmI can’t convince myself this guy is comfortable in his own skin, but they say some have no sense of guilt. There’s got to be something in that brain that’s sending a distress call – if not now then soon, and for the rest of his life.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pmDid the word “substance” actually come from Bloody Bill’s mouth? Any bets on whether or not he knows what it means?
May 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm*
He’s a trust fund guy…never had to work a day in his life….
May 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pmbut evidentally has the ability to know what’s happening inside the gov’t. and what and why they’re planning…
I wonder who sponsered him for his security clearence….?
BKristol; WOOT; way out of touch.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:39 pmKristol gets negative points for shamelessly using the phrase “On Substance” every time he has no substance.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:43 pmI say SHUT DOWN Club Gitmo and release ALL the detainees now… in America.
So how many of you are ready to host a detainee, hmmmmm?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pmkasinca,
How about you? You seem to be all for this. Are you ready to help out your fellow man, like that poor guy whose been there since he was 16…
May 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pmbackup,
You are right, but I hate to inform you that we can’t try them do to “ahem” problems with their treatment! Therefor, they HAVE to be released into the U.S..
So again, how many of you are ready to put your money where your mouth is, hmmmmm?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:53 pmThe actions by far left, which includes this publication are doing their utmost to see that terrorists and muslim fanatics are given the same rights as a US born citizen. You and your kind will be documented in history as “causal to the destruction of the country, once knows as “The United States of America.”
But before that happens, you will be destroyed from within, a disease with no cure and worse than aids will infect all leftists, and you shall die a painful death.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pmsscncturn64,
So, when opposing viewpoints that YOU agree with are represented on Fox News you refuse to listen to the stuff YOU agree with???
Are you dense or what?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:56 pmWhat substance is Kristol on. That is what I want to know.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:56 pmJAQUEBAUER,
I could agree with you, but we actually don’t HAVE a country anymore haven’t you heard?
BTW, the left doesn’t believe terrorists should have the same rights as a U.S. Citizen, they believe U.S. Citizens should not enjoy any rights!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:57 pmWe should close it, raze it to the ground, and give the whole base back to Cuba. What the hell are we doing there anyway?
May 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pmPresident Obama needs to shut Gitmo down and put any detainees found guilty in American Federal prisons. I’m quite certain that American Federal prisons would be capable of housing those found guilty of any charges.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:08 pmGeepers, Timmeh. Who said anything about releasing them in your town? You really need a cogent argument.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:08 pmGot sources for your crap, Timmeh? Seriously. Try to offer something based on rel-world, real-time, events.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:10 pmTim, Tim, Tim. Why all the drama? I think our prisons that contain serial killers and mass murderers are adequate for holding people accused of terrorism.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pmTim NEEDS to spread fear. It’s how he functions best – with fear. If you call that functioning.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pmLiterally, on substance, there is no reason anyone should listen to a damn thing you say billy.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pmWe’ve got some of the most heinous murderers jailed right here in the USA and I haven’t heard of any of them escaping. Charles Manson is one. It’s really not that complicated to me. Charge them or set them free.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:17 pmBuy stock in Depends. Tim and his friends are going through them like mad.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pmHas anyone else seen this Al Jazeera Youtube video about Israeli Real Estate agents selling Palestinian land to foreign investors? It’s sickening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_BF8pbEkvs
May 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pmHe’s right.
Objectively, here is no particular reason to close it.
It performs a necessary function.
Closing it would infinitely complicate things.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pmIt’s already complicated. If it stays open, there will be possibilities of future abuse.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:43 pmIsn’t there a jail in Hardin, Montana that’s empty? I believe it’s a private contractor but the townfolk could use the jobs.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:11 pmIs there anything stopping the government from giving us current film footage and interviews with the people being held at Guantanamo? It might put things in perspective.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I say SHUT DOWN Club Gitmo and release ALL the detainees now… in America.
So how many of you are ready to host a detainee, hmmmmm?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
With all due respect, Tim, you are using the False Choice Argument. You are implying that if, for whatever reason, (and it would have to do with something more than just “national security” because there are ways of handling that) someone could not be tried in US courts, it does not automatically mean that they would be released free into the United States. I do not know who told you that, but they were mistaken, to put it politely.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pmwiley Says:
I would like to see that happen.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:58 pmwiley Says:
Is there anything stopping the government from giving us current film footage and interviews with the people being held at Guantanamo? It might put things in perspective.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
That’s a good point, wiley. It’s not like we don’t know the place exists, or that reporters have never been given tours of the place before, or that anything illegal is still going on. Wink-wink. So why not declassify some innocuous video (maybe a little more than they show on the six o’clock news)?
And make sure that everyone shown has been identified to the appropriate agencies, like the International Red Cross, in the event that they were “overlooked” (i.e. “hidden”) by the previous administration.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pmKeep Gitmo open? What a great idea, Billy! We’ll shrink it significantly in size, making it just one cell and one maintenance employee (cause we all know you’d want to minimize taxpayer expense). Then we’ll chunk you into the cell, lock the door, and misplace the key. Sounds like a winner to me!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pmHow does this guy get up every morning, look at himself in the mirror, and not put a bullet into his brain?
May 8th, 2009 at 11:30 pmWayne,
Actually, it’s not a “false choice” at all. Everyone is saying that it’s wrong to hold the detainees without charging them, but due to the very nature of who they are and the circumstances in which they were captured PRECLUDES charging most of them.
So you see, we may indeed have to release them. In fact a very strong argument can be made to release them. Why do you think our new President put a halt to the proceedings set up to try them under military law?
May 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Wayne,
Actually, it’s not a “false choice” at all. Everyone is saying that it’s wrong to hold the detainees without charging them, but due to the very nature of who they are and the circumstances in which they were captured PRECLUDES charging most of them.
So you see, we may indeed have to release them. In fact a very strong argument can be made to release them. Why do you think our new President put a halt to the proceedings set up to try them under military law?
I respectfully disagree. It is a false choice. They can repatriate them to their home countries (if they’ll take them), or find a country that will take them (and I don’t mean for torture), or put them in a privately-run prison like SuperMax.
The main problem has been the delay of people getting their habeas corpus rights to a hearing to determine their status.
As for why President Obama put a halt to the hearings, I believe he explained that they were reviewing the process. Do you have valid reason to believe otherwise?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:16 amHi Tim Vaculik:
“but due to the very nature of who they are and the circumstances in which they were captured PRECLUDES charging most of them.”
May 9th, 2009 at 12:21 am—
How so and do you know who they are and the circumstances of their capture?
neoparasite is still begging everyone to pity him for being so stupid and pathetic. Apparantly he will never have any self respect, never have a brain, never be anything but an ignorant punkass troll.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:04 amTimmeh. Thanks for coming by and dropping a trollturd strawman argument. No one of course is advocating that. Also a false dichotomy in that it isnt a choice between releasing them or keeping them in Gitmo. You really are stupid. Dont you ever just get despondent about the fact you have the reasoning ability of an ice cube? Dont you ever get embarassed for being so pitifully stupid?
May 9th, 2009 at 9:08 amJAQUEBAUER
Well thanks for the incredibly stupid and insane version of todays this week in incoherence and psychopathy. Increase your medication and try to obey those nice people in the white coats.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:11 amWonk Room’s Matt Duss notes that “Gitmo has been effective — at getting American soldiers killed.”
With William Kristol (Neocon-Israel), American soldiers are like toilet paper. He uses them to clean up a mess that he created and then he flushes them down the toilet.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:23 amLiterally, on substance, Kristol has no substance.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:58 amNever seen so many morons gathered in one place. I can only wonder what most of you would be screaming if a human being came to your home to kill your family. Knowing, that even though you stopped and captured one, he/she had the info of the 100 which are waiting in the dark, to come to your home and finish the job. Would you whine about the one you captured being mistreated, or would you do whatever it takes to find the others and stop them? Come to my home with the intention of killing my family, and I’ll cut off every appendage, one at a time, until you tell me all that you know. Waterboarding would be like a vacation at disneyland. Heaven forbid I piss off those other 100 waiting to do me in. Screw the bleeding hearts. Put them on the front line and let them appease the enemy into surrender. But when it hits the fan again, and it will, don’t come to me to protect your whining ass.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pmblowitupnstartover Says:
I can only wonder what most of you would be screaming if a human being came to your home to kill your family.
The killers that I worry about are the right wing Republican extremists who run around the streets of America with assault rifles.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pmblowitupnstartover Says:
I can only wonder what most of you would be screaming if a human being came to your home to kill your family.
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I wonder about the cowards who think that there is a terrorist around every corner while they themselves are members of a right wing extremist hate party.
May 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pmblowitupnstartover Says:
Never seen so many morons gathered in one place.
So does this mean you were paid to come in here and make your twisted post?
May 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pmIt is amazing that after all this time, with one major terrorist attack on the US, said attack focused on NY for major impact, that the denizens of Twodog, Arkansas are just waiting for the next 100 terrorists to hit their trailer park.
May 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pmYet another example of walking into a battle of wits unarmed.
blowitupnstartover Says:
Screw the bleeding hearts. Put them on the front line and let them appease the enemy into surrender. But when it hits the fan again, and it will, don’t come to me to protect your whining ass.
Hey “genius”, sine you’re the one with the attitude, then it should be yourself that’s on any “front line”, but, typical of screeching chickenhawks, you pitch a hissy fit when everyone else doesn’t protect your whiny, worthless ass.
And if anyone actually broke into your place, you’d wet yourself in terror and call the cops, you’re too much of a coward to physically confront any kinds of threats, both real and the ones that exist only in your fevered imagination.
But you keep right on reaching for the stars lil’ trooper.
May 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pmblowitupnstartover
Well you should be a virtual expert on morons what with living your life as, well, YOU. On the other hand as pathetically, monumentally stupid as you are no one is taking you seriously as a judge of anyone elses intelligence. So which of the Gitmo detainees have been convicted of killing or even TRYING to kill anyone? Why NONE of them. Now I know you are staggeringly stupid but try to follow along here. Since we dont KNOW nor have we proven these guys are killers it really isnt right to treat them the way we would treat someone who tried to kill our family. Did you get that? I dont think I can dumb it down to a level your handicapped brain will comprehend. The submoron level you operate on is hard to reach. So since a whole BUNCH of those we have at Gitmo were just SOLD to us as bounty and we dont know ANYTHING about them except the Warlords wanted to make money off of them is it right for us to just keep them in CASE they are bad guys? Like the UIGERS that the Military itsels said YEARS ago were NOT combatants. Let me make this simple for your simple mind what if it were YOU or YOUR SON would it be ok for the police to just keep you forever in CASE you might do something wrong. Look we all know how stupid you are so you probably arent going to understand this or anything else so just run along and go back to your day job. Blowing random sailors for pocketchange.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pmWhat we have here is Obama making an ass out of himself. No other government wants to take in these terrorist that Obama wants to release into society.
May 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pmGITMO is a secure holding facility and we have not seen anyone foolish enough to want to free them including their own comrades. GITMO is the most secure facility of it kind. President Obama is without a doubt playing to his base. Unfortunately it does not help in protecting the people of the United States by closing this facility.
President Obama needs to wake the hell up before he does serious damage to the United States by pushing for the closing of GITMO.
The actions which took place in the past are no longer happening.
I believe if Obama wants to protect the terrorist more at GITMO, perhaps he can make GITMO a permanent residence for he and his family while in office. It can be the Southern White House and he can visit with them every day and have tea with them.
I’m sure he can relate to the Muslim culture very well. Perhaps he can even make some of them apart of his administration. Maybe remove Gates as Defense Secretary and place one of these terrorist as a replacement for Gates. The liberal Professor would fit in nicely with this crowd since he likes to play rough in politics.
Ststormn00007
What we have in your post is an unnatural amount of abject stuidity. COWARDS like you want to destroy the US by abandoning its values. Lock people up without any showing they ever DID anything wrong or intended to do anything wrong because REALLY stupid cowards like YOU are snivelling and cowering under your bed like the pitiful punks you are. No we HAVE values and we abide by them. Either we SHOW they are guilty of something or we dont TREAT them as if they are guilty of something. I mean I know you are stupid but its that concept to complicated for you? Find someone who PASSED their sixth grade civics class and get them to explain it to you. That is if you can come out from under your mommys bed long enough.
May 9th, 2009 at 7:05 pmLiterally, on substance, there has never been any argument for listening to Bill Kristol.
May 9th, 2009 at 8:12 pmAh, the important part of this story is that Gitmo remains open, and the Obama Administration has just decided to return to military commissions to try detainees, a Bush Era idea. Read the ACLU’s statement about why this is really a bad idea.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:30 pmObama is a fraud.
Here’s the ACLU’s link on Obama’s return to Bush policy.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:34 pmhttp://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/39520prs20090504.html
and here’s the HP story about Obama actually going ahead with the very bad idea…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/09/obama-set-to-revive-milit_n_200970.html
dbadass Says:
Hi Tim Vaculik:
“but due to the very nature of who they are and the circumstances in which they were captured PRECLUDES charging most of them.”
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How so and do you know who they are and the circumstances of their capture?
Come on dbadass, we bought those prisoners so we own them now. We can’t get a refund, so I guess we have to keep them.
Seriously, we need to either bring charges against them and give them the right to defend themselves or we need to find a country that will take them. We should also pay reparations to them for having stolen 6-7 years of their lives. If we don’t do these things, we will never again be able to regain our humanity as a nation.
There is no way that President Obama is going to allow any of these people to be released in the USA. Most of them are not terrorists (just people we bought from people who needed the money), but after having held them without charges for 6 years and having mistreated them during that time, if they didn’t hate this country before they went in, they will certainly hate us by the time they are released. Hell, I would hate this country if I had been treated the way these people have been treated.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:26 amstormn00007 Says:
What we have here is Obama making an ass out of himself. No other government wants to take in these terrorist that Obama wants to release into society.
GITMO is a secure holding facility and we have not seen anyone foolish enough to want to free them including their own comrades.
Oh, I get it. Because of our illegal and unconscionable actions of buying these people from sheiks and neighbors out for a quick buck and then holding them for 6 years without charges, that means that we have to keep them forever because we pretty much turned them into potential terrorists.
That makes a lot of sense.
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