VIDEO: Michael Steele’s First 100 Days
VIDEO: Michael Steele’s First 100 Days
Tomorrow marks Michael Steele’s 100th day as chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC). While many members of the GOP were hoping for a dynamic spokesman that could communicate conservative values to the American public, what they ended up getting was a gaffe machine.
Since taking office, Steele has become most known for statements about how the GOP needs to “uptick” its image with “everyone, including one-armed midgets“; how he likes to “wear my hat backwards, you know, because that’s how we roll in the Northeast”; and how he has “slum love” for Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA). ThinkProgress’s Victor Zapanta has put together a video of the highlights. Watch it:
The RNC itself also continues to struggle under Steele’s leadership. In the Daily Beast today, ThinkProgress’s Amanda Terkel writes:
According to the latest FEC reports, the RNC had just over 100 people on its payroll in March compared to more than 200 people on payroll in March 2007 and nearly 260 in March 2005, both off-election years shortly after new chairmen took over. [...]
Steele also has yet to purchase any voter-registration data, which can be key to expanding outreach and field operations. In contrast, when Mehlman took over at the RNC in 2005, he spent nearly $55,000 on voter information in his first two months in office. In 2007, then-Chairman Mike Duncan spent almost $14,000 on such data and files during the same period.
Roll Call also reported yesterday that the RNC is still trying to fill “top spots,” including that of finance director. At least one candidate has turned the job down, and the organization “had to hire a headhunter for a while to look for potential candidates for the job.”
Many Republicans have become discouraged by Steele’s first 100 days and are looking to marginalize him. Although the RNC outpaced the DNC in first-quarter fundraising, a Republican strategist told Terkel, “A lot of donors seem totally underwhelmed by Steele. Some donors are looking for another organization to donate to, and right now, for a lot of them, the [Republican Governors Association] looks like an ideal alternative.” Steele also recently agreed to sign a “secret pact agreeing to controls and restraints on how he spends hundreds of millions of dollars in party funds and contracts,” after media reports leaked about how he is spending precious RNC funds on redecorating his office.
Just remember: Although Steele’s first 100 days may seem like nothing short of a train wreck, there’s supposedly a “logic” behind all this madness. “It’s all strategic.”
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barack’s first 100 days: quindappling the national debt!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm100 Days of Non-Stop Hilarity ………..
May 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pmI still like his initial statement “Why should anyone take us seriously” or something to that effect…..So true, coming from a real bozo, that’s the amazing part!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pmIt is of note, however that whenever Steele opens his mouth, you can see his tongue.
His shoe tongue.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pmMy only hope is that thye not only hold on to Steele, but that they put him front and center more often. I notice now how numerous republicans are quick to criticize Bush, now that he is no longer in office. But they vehemently defended him when he was still in. It was their blind support of Bush and his policies that cost them the last two elections.
Hopefully, this trend will continue with Steele. Although they know he is a complete embarrassment, my hope is that they will staunchly defend him right up to the next election.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pmfirst 107 days: barack was on air force one while the plane was recreating the scaredom of 9/11!! he claims he didn’t know what was going on because he was dolloping grey poupon on his burger! the nerve and excesses of this president!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pmdick cheney for rnc chair!!! he’s offering his wisdom free of charge!! take note fellas!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pmWatch Colbert’s Rap slam down on Michael Steele. It’s hilarious!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm-uck colbairt! he’s aint got nothin’ on me!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pmLooks like the reich is cutting back on spending, we are down to one paid for nut news troll per thread, either that or it’s the house keeping staff and they are here to clean up after gonzo, steele and take out their trash…Blessings
May 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pmAnd is Thinkprogress going to have an actual report card for ‘cuz dats how we roll baby’ Steele’s 100 days as new RNC chairman and new employee of El Rushbo?
Also, Thinkprogress should have a 100 days report card for The Party of No’s budgetless budget plan. Still no talks and no numbers from the GOP’s Starving for Recovery plan.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pmneoparody
Flag this as$hats posts…I certainly did – Off topic, trolling.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pmneoparody Says:
first 107 days: barack was on air force one while the plane was recreating the scaredom of 9/11!! he claims he didn’t know what was going on because he was dolloping grey poupon on his burger! the nerve and excesses of this president!
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Yawning….neoparody what did your competent President Obama’s fart smell like after he ate his burger, did it smell like the Dijon mustard with onions since you and the limbots love kissing Obama’s a$$ maybe I could bottle it and use it as GOP repellent?
neoparody your a phucking moron, I could get better conversation from a 4th grader, that’s a damn shame.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pmranus and buckie: victoria’s secret-wearing pansies!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pmit doesnt take away from the fact that barack ocharki was eating fancy mustard while forcing citizens to eat government cheese!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pmso what are you libs going to do about the national debt? will we have to pull a reagan and send baracki packing to peanut land?????????????????
May 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pmneoparody Says:
ranus and buckie: victoria’s secret-wearing pansies!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm=====
Rush seemed satisfied
The stupid. It burns!
I’m sorry but, I can’t add anything to that.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pmOT sorry…The Center for Biological Diversety just sent me an email…Salazar is following bull shit bush’s favorite thing to do..Kill something…He will not put polar bear’s back on the endangered species list…Looks like wolves and bears are out of luck unless we can raise enough fuss…Onward…Blessings
May 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pmSteele also has yet to purchase any voter-registration data, which can be key to expanding outreach and field operations.
Who needs voter-registration data? That’s so old-fashioned! MC Steele is working on an off-the-hook, beyond cutting edge hiphoppity PR campaign that’s going to suck up all the dead presidents in the ‘hood, shut yo mouth!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pmneoparody Says:
so what are you libs going to do about the national debt? will we have to pull a reagan and send baracki packing to peanut land?????????????????
May 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pm============
You could start today by doing some shopping at Wal-Mart since Bush borrowed $30 billion plus from the Chinese since we all know Bush and the baneful GOP blew the deficit past Pluto by tax cuts, spending and borrowing. Or just have those states that want to secede from the union, that would take care of the national debt.
It turns out that the Republican party has always been the Tea party by another name, formed when the Democratic party needed an opposition party.
Lets not make that mistake again. Better to let the republicani folk keep the republican party, regardless what they name themselves, and let the new opposition party be formed out of what’s left – independants, moderate democtrats, far left folks and the like.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pmBut, back to Mikey.
The guy is just another example of how moronic one must be to still be paying lip service to the GOP talking points. They are so isolated from reality they can’t be trusted to make any decision based on factual information. Even the rare occasions they make sense, they go back and contradict it. Then they apologize to Lush Rimjob.
Heck! It’s beyond stupidity. It’s psychosis.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pmDoes Steele still want to be in charge of the Republican Torture Party? I can tell by his demeanor that he does not.
Steele appears to be becoming a master of myopia to cope with the madness all around him.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pmThis “Magic Republican” won’t see 200 days…
May 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pmWe tend to forget, Ape-Man, that times of crisis can lead to positive change. Given recent history it’s easy to be cynical but, there are some signs that rational people are in charge and are making decisions based on real-time events. That’s a good thing.
The interesting thing will be the fate of the GOP. The myths have been exposed and they are at 21% and falling. It certainly seems like the time is ripe for one, or more, independent parties to assemble from the moderates who have been expelled from the GOP and those from all parties who are tired of seeing their fortunes in the hands of 3rd generation career politicians.
I think it would be hard for the disenfranchised moderates to reclaim the party in the short term. So, if forced to guess, I would say the GOP will continue towards the right and any hypothetical new party would disavow the tainted name.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pmSteele says that ‘even if what he says appears to be a gaffe, it is purposeful and has meaning’ so I can’t help but wonder if he is ’schizophrenic, borderline personality or demented’ while in charge of the RNC. Apparently even the GnoPERs are quite concerned about him since they have EXORCISED the ‘control of funds’ from him. Smart move on their part – which is saying a hellava lot!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pmWho was the last RNC Chairperson? Why is this guy important?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pmAll of this concern over what’s going on with the Republican party shows that they are not irrelevant – if Conservatives and Republicans are so over, why bother so much with them?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:20 pmRomartin16985 Says:
All of this concern over what’s going on with the Republican party shows that they are not irrelevant – if Conservatives and Republicans are so over, why bother so much with them?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:33 pm======
No ones bothering them if fact there bothering everyone else, we all are sick of them. The GOP are the political court jester’s, they provide sad comic relief.
Is neoparody our friend JOHN KERRY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:33 pm@30 Romartin16985 Says:
Well the thread is about Steele. Granted there’s not a lot new to say about him but he gets points for being consistantly quirky. It’s like he’s dancing on a hot frying pan, and so far he’s enjoying it. The kernals are starting to pop all around him but he can take the heat.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:37 pmHey now, we cant be having folks come into the house and redecorate it without Limbaughs approval
May 8th, 2009 at 7:38 pmThey Funny
May 8th, 2009 at 7:39 pm230 Romartin16985 Says:
It’s like watching lobsters come to the boil. You know it’s all over, but since it pinched you, you have watch just the same.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:40 pmIm gonna do my Reagan/Cheney impression: SO? Debts dont matter…
May 8th, 2009 at 7:42 pmRomartin16985 Says:
All of this concern over what’s going on with the Republican party shows that they are not irrelevant – if Conservatives and Republicans are so over, why bother so much with them?
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we could talk about you.
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but that would be boring.
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May 8th, 2009 at 7:43 pmPerhaps what the GOP finds so unworthy in Steele is that he is actually quite representative.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:44 pmAfter years [10 years+] of listening to such compassionate folks as ‘deport them’ Limbaugh, ‘Shutup’ O’Reilly, Poison Brulee’ Godless Atheists’ Coulter I think a few hundred days of zinging on the hypocrites is not out of line…
Its a joke!!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:45 pmThat’s “GW Botch national debt” to you moron. Get it right!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:45 pmNo, you don’t continue watching after the lobster is finished, you keep checking when you’re not so sure……
May 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pmDear Joe,
I’m surprised that you didn’t bring up your favorite topic.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:47 pmThe first 100 days of Steele have been extremely hilarious. Steele is the problem child that just won’t quit acting up. It’s going to be interesting to see what 2010 and 2012 will bring.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:48 pmWhat’s really fun is watching the right wingers meltdown every 100 seconds!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pmi raise a glass of champagne to toast lil mikey steele’s first hundred days. keep up the good work sport, you’re leading your “party” down the right path…the path of a permanent democrat majority
May 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pm“Many Republicans have become discouraged by Steele’s first 100 days and are looking to marginalize him.”
But they didn’t ask us Dems how we feel about Steeles’ first 100 days and had they done so, we would have said ‘we are praying they will lock him in place because he [along with Palin], is the gift that keeps on giving MORE THAN THEY CAN IMAGINE to us!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:56 pmAll the Democratic Party needs to do is unite and help President Obama keep making strides on issues that affect Americans. Keep making progress and focus on resolving issues.
While the wingnuts are having fits about the President’s choice of mustard – the President and the Democratic Party will be moving our country forward.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pmWhen are you going to post something relevant and on topic? When are you going to stop repeating Limbaugh’s talking points from six months ago? When will you stop being so hateful, spiteful and mean-spirited?
When will I flag you and report you for trolling, off topic posts and insults? RIGHT. NOW!
You can go straight to hell for all I care you neocon pond scum sucking bottom feeding boil on a camel’s dick! Go to troll hell! I bet you work in telemarketing, don’t you? Annoying people is your forte, after all. Why don’t you go to Gretawire.com where you will feel right at home among the racists, homophobes, xenophobes, bible thumpers, gun clenching, anti-choice hellions and trailer trash dwellers? You can spew vile and hate all you want and you will be embraced with open arms.
Honestly…. why are you here?
And so as to be on topic, Michael Steele is as irrelevant as the Trollster in Chief, Neopussy.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pmStrategic stupidity is all I’ve seen and heard.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pmI can almost feel sorry for republicans, but, empathy is now a
a bad thing.
Too bad this isn’t one of those lifetime appointments.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:35 pmWe mock him but Steele is the brightest guy in the party. Look at how dumb neoparody and Romartin16985 are. Steele seems like a genius. At least he’s paid to carry the piss, I mean water.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:48 pmGlenda Beckys’ face after Steele says, “Why should anyone take us seriously”, is CLASSIC! HAHAHA!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:58 pm“Fancy mustard”? I grew up in a solidly middle-class suburb in Michigan, and we could choose dijon mustard for our hamburgers in our high school hot lunch program. I grew up with the stuff – who puts KETCHUP on hamburgers, anyway!
Leave it to a Republican/Konservative to go all pissy over a COMMON CHOICE OF CONDIMENT. You people all deserve each other, but unfortunately, our country does not deserve to have to deal with you. So piss off already, won’t you? Please?
May 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm>>>
dear ro,
call your doctor if you’re
going into your fourth hour.
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May 8th, 2009 at 9:07 pmThree cheers for Steele and boss rushballs. Please keep talking, your the best thing that has ever happened for Democrats. Your insightful wisdom is just going to give Democrats more seats in the Senate and the house. Keep up the good work.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pmDown South we would say
May 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pmhe’s “ignunt”
neoparody should call himself “neoparrot”, because he’s parroting Hannity’s slam of the President for eating Dijon on a cheeseburger.
how French (gasp!)
how un original. typical FoKKKs “news” sponge
May 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pmWhy waste time with slugs like neoparody, if the guy had any brains, he would be doing something with his life instead of making a fool of himself on a progressive blog.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:25 pmYep J. these guys are morons especially since Kraft makes the fanciest brand, Grey Poupon. I heard that from Ron Reagan today and just double checked. I guess Republicans don’t eat anything that’s not generic. Of course it’s really all because he’s black. They think he should only eat cheap food. I never heard them suggest that a President shouldn’t eat the best or have the best transportation or most safety precautions until a black man became President.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pmMy father grew up orphaned during the depression and they ate onion and mustard sandwiches because that was the cheapest thing. Which is cheaper to grow, tomatoes or mustard seeds? What a bunch of retards.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:32 pmThese trolls think they’re losers because the black man is keeping them down not realizing it’s their own ignorance doing that.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:33 pmrepublicans hate facts, Glad to see you’re back! We’ve missed you in some much needed troll smack downs lately.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:34 pm…
neo’s cool.
at home he’s lonely.
here he gets noticed.
cool.
:)
May 8th, 2009 at 9:35 pmI think it’s sick that wingnut talking heads went ballistic over the kind of mustard President Obama chose. Laura Ingrahm and Hannity were just so upset! With all that’s going on in the world?!
May 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pmWith Michael Steele and the wingnuts – the Democratic Party can’t go wrong in 2010 and 2012.
It’s a little sad, and awfully funny, how the wingnuts are so unsure of themselves and their party that they have to see relevance in the attention paid to them when they fu(k up.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:43 pmWhen is “The Wheels of Steele” going to cut an album?
May 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pmMy god! how sad can these retards be when even Joe the fake plumber tells them to go screw themseleves. You really have to be brain dead to be a repug in this day and age.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pmDruids Dream Says: I hope never – LOL
angels81 Says:
OMG! I just about died from laughter when Joe the fake plumber quit the GOP.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pmNo album to support on the apology tour?
May 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pmrepublicans hate facts Says: #58
I think neoparody is on some dangerous meds or they’re living up to their name “neoparody.” Hopefully this person is actually doing a parody of a neocon response to a particular issue.
I really want a perfect world! Hahaha!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pmI will not suffer fools gladly.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:10 pmMay 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I find the shrill Dijon ones….about as amusing as a Smithfield swine lagoon
May 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pmXisithrus Says: #76
I wonder if Keith would put that on the “Oddball” segment?
May 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pmOr maybe the “Best Persons in the World” segment.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:21 pmWe can hope =]
I recall the shrill ones also got all elitist about Obama saying something about arugula a while back…seriously, why does the media repeat such inane grumblings
May 8th, 2009 at 10:23 pmXisithrus Says: I wonder if wingnuts like Ingrahm knew about the secret ingredient in the Bush’s deviled egg recipe? HAHAHAAHAHA!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:23 pmHabenero?! That’s why bush was soft on border security!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:30 pmThe very first thing I typed into Google was Bush Dijon and the first thing that came up was George and Lauras recipe with Dijon mustard..I cant believe Ingrateham or Hanniteas little lemmings didnt do the same before saying such things…then again maybe they like seeing what the parakeets will parrot just for SAGs
May 8th, 2009 at 10:34 pmArbusto, the Yucatan elitist, likes em boiled hard
May 8th, 2009 at 10:39 pmI hadnt heard that..did he really?
May 8th, 2009 at 10:41 pmXisithrus: It just shows their level of stupidity. Ingrahm and cowardly Hannity should fire their producers but then again it won’t help because they’re too dense to know better.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pmDeviled eggs with hot sauce. How original.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:44 pmYeah, JtP quit. I heard it this morning. Damn, when your only remote connection to the working individual goes south, then you have to realize that you just may be a thing of the past. So long to the GOP. Goodbye Old Poofters!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:47 pmDeviled eggs are unchristian.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:49 pmHey Xisithrus,
Yeah too hilarious – the link is below – ROTFL!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/07/joe-the-plumber-quitting_n_198920.html
May 8th, 2009 at 10:52 pmYeh, when ignorance gets paid millions a year, after a while they start to believe their own uber dense bloviating
May 8th, 2009 at 10:52 pmHey Druids Dream:
I put hotsauce on almost everything – LOL – so I can’t really crack on that!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:54 pmWow. Just. Wow.
Never thought JTP would leave the Gas Oil Party.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:55 pmSometimes I wonder if the GOPers are waiting until 2010 to become more serious? Maybe Steele is just playing with us and keeping us all amused for now? LOL
May 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pmYeah maybe Beck can set the Gas Oil Party on fire!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:58 pmI read where Palin is falling in the polls as well
It will be amusing when the clown car no longer fits in the big tent
May 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pmPalin has had a serious drop in the polls. I think it’s been more than 30% in 14 months.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:01 pmYo chavez, I just made a batch of hot sauce yesterday so I know where you’re coming from, homes. Nothing kicks the old immune system into gear like the heat. Fightin off the swine flu here. ;)
May 8th, 2009 at 11:02 pmDruids Dream Says:
Deviled eggs are unchristian.
Aw man, that’s bad news. I served my church six dozen for Easter!
May 8th, 2009 at 11:04 pmDruids Dream,
Ahahahha! Yes – I’ve been sick for the past couple of days and there’s nothing like hotsauce to clear my sinuses! LOL
May 8th, 2009 at 11:05 pmI don’t have swine flu just a nasty cold. I sound like Darth Cheney – I am your father!
Druid Dreams – hope y’all feel better fighting off that swine flu – BTW.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:07 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
LOL – that’s just too funny! Well, you can try to hire an excercist. LOL
May 8th, 2009 at 11:08 pmOutstanding, outstanding. Was there devil’s food cake?
May 8th, 2009 at 11:10 pmHey chavez, making hot sauce at home is easy. You’ve got to try it.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:14 pmNope, lemon pound cake. Seriously, what kind of sicko would put butter in deviled eggs? I knew George was bad, but I thought Laura was ok.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pmHey Druids Dream,
Do you have a recipe? Shucks – I just buy Frank’s.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
I thought butter was an odd ingredient for deviled eggs – maybe it’s a Texas thing?
I’m originally from NY and my grandmother’s secret ingredient was the mustard! Same thing with potato salad – yellow french’s mustard! ROTFL!
May 8th, 2009 at 11:22 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
Good old French’s yellow is what we use in VA as well. Hope that’s not TOO french for the right-wingers. My family also uses sweet pickle relish, which I’m told is odd for deviled eggs.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:32 pmIt’s not a Texan thing—that would be Miracle Whip.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:32 pm4 cups of your favorite peppers 28oz. canned tomatoes a medium onion, diced. 2 carrots, diced. a stalk of celery, diced. a head of garlic, cloves peeled. Throw it in a pot, cover it with water, and boil it for three hours. Hit it with a stick blender then strain. Makes about 2 quarts.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:33 pmit’s neat to see you libs get riled up. fact is, obama may talk a good game, but his economic team is positioning economic recovery to be top-down ala bush: sit at home unemployed or underemployed with stagnant wages in front of the tv, bitter that the dow ended up 500, hoping that maybe, just maybe some of that will trickle down to you. then the radio talking heads will say that obama loved what bush was doing all along. people who lost their homes will be locked out while the yuppie couple or sorority girls sign the closing papers to make it their own.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pmActually don’t boil it. Let it simmer for three hours.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:35 pmMaybe all that butter is why he did all that biking.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:38 pmHey Druids Dream – thanks for the recipe.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:39 pmneoparody Says:
Who’s riled up? We’re cooking here. I grow cayenne, kung pao, habanero and trinidad peppers. If I can get enough folk buying local food and eating deviled eggs, I won’t need any “tricke down”.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pmneoparody Says: Is that what happened to you?
May 8th, 2009 at 11:41 pmDruids Dream Says:
Maybe all that butter is why he did all that biking.
Maybe he was trying to kill Dick Cheney.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:41 pmIgnore the tire fire.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pmOutstanding, I just planted some peppers last week. Not sure what kind. Any gardening tips?
May 8th, 2009 at 11:46 pmDe nada, chavez. You need a recipe you come to me.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:47 pmDarth Cheney does sound like he’s on his last legs – probably all of those buttered deviled eggs. Maybe why he’s so busy making confessions. My he’s a heavy breather.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pmhombre, no, it’s what happened to millions of americans under gw and will be the perpetrator’s last laugh under obama. but you’re not american, so you wouldn’t know.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:50 pmDruids Dream Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 11:51 pmDepends on where you live. Don’t plant till your soil is warm. After that all you need to do is water regularly if it’s dry. Peppers can take dry, but if thirsty and then receive a lot of water they may just pass out and die.
fact is, the liberals needed people to suffer in order to win. now look at them on this thread, they’re joking around about spices and gardening and dick cheney while the job loss count was over 500,000 this month. you all advertised obama as everything to all people and you’ve overwhelmed him. good job with that, rubes.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:53 pmneoparody Says:
it’s neat to see [... yadda yadda yadda ... yadda yadda yadda...] to make it their own.
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Gawd… what a bizarre, inane fantasy. It’s like you’ve totally abandoned any hope of “making a real point”.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:55 pmneoparody Says:
fact is, the liberals needed people to suffer in order to win.
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Beyond silly… and headed for the totally irrelevant, I see.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:56 pmwe have plenty of free-market sites that cover gardening, liberals. anybody who needs gardening advice is free to find it there before discovering tp.org.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:57 pmBut neo, this is liberal socialist gardening advice, ya can’t get that anywhere but here.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:01 amfact is, liberals needed people to suffer in order to win.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:01 amYa that sounds about right. Peppers seem to be a hardy bunch.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:04 amneoparody – why are you so messed up in the head? What’s your story? Or, are you here just to get attention?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:06 amnext up: hyperinflation
after that: wait until those beaners (”the fastest growing minority” as they call them) grow up. talk about hyperinflation encore: you’ll be looking for a two bedroom home no less than 550,000. every state will be california.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:09 amneoparody Says:
fact is, liberals needed people to suffer in order to win.
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This is both pathetic and pointless.
You simply have NOTHING relevant to say, do you?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:12 amhormiga brava chavez Says:
Or, are you here just to get attention?
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Yes.. absolutely…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:13 amneoparody=silent noise
May 9th, 2009 at 12:15 amGuess we should thank the Republicans for our win, then.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:16 amI don’t know if it’s silent… but it sure is NOISE…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:17 amneoparody – you need to go away like the rest of the trolls. Looks like you don’t have a clue. You’re all alone here.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:17 amThere’s nothing to it, they’re about the easiest plant in a vegetable garden.
And don’t listen to that moron neostupid.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:19 amWell suffering is what the GOP delivers.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:20 amneoparody – your demogogue Darth Cheney needed people to suffer. So he sanctioned torture along with his puppet Dumbya Bush.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:20 amIt still ain’t working but I suppose you have to respect the tireless effort…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:21 amButter in deviled eggs is so pedestrian. I’m sure neogoon would like it.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:22 amSilent but stinky.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:23 amDear Neoparroty aka Neo-nazi,
Remember last time when I served you like a subpeona for war crimes and you ran like a flock of seagulls? Ya, that was cool.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:23 amThe only thing you’re serving is french fries at McDonalds. Love ya!
sorry, hombre, no amnesty last year, no amnesty the year before, and no amnesty this year. our economic future is at stake. say whatever you want about the republican party, but we’re very strong on saying no to handouts for illegals. we will succeed again.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:29 amI am not sure this gimic will ever get off the ground no matter the effort…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:33 amserving french fries at mcdonalds: the only jobs dems create for their voting bloc.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:34 amI wouldn’t say your partys very strong on anything right now.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:34 amWe got you a job!
May 9th, 2009 at 12:36 amSince everyone is working for Ronald, I suppose the nonsense about left leaning media, entertainment, education, labor, and so on is just a myth…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:38 amthe stimulus saved an undisclosed job. cue the celebrations! quick – send over obama and biden to make winding speeches that pass for contrived success.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:38 amno, you didn’t get anybody a job. you sit your fat butt there and think government creates quality private sector jobs.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:40 amNeoparroty, why do you hate jobs?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:41 amI wouldn’t say your partys very strong on anything right now
May 9th, 2009 at 12:42 am—-
This will go unrebutted…
funny question, druids, coming from the party of government programs and welfare. are you into irony?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:43 amNeoparroty, why do you hate the government? Is it because you hate America?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:46 amthe proper question, from me to you, is why do you hate jobs you didn’t create? do you enjoy taking credit for someone else’s work? if i go to work for wells fargo as an accountant, did the stimulus save that job or did you happen to create it?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:46 amdruids, it’s pretty clear you’re in rambling mode. you don’t take your own questions seriously.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:47 amCan we wrap some more flags around shit and yap about greatest nation some more while endlessly b itching about the big bad government? What a bunch of crap…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:47 amdbadass Says:
I wouldn’t say your partys very strong on anything right now
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This will go unrebutted…
You are correct, it will go unrebutted. I guess we no longer rate a first class troll. Pity, I’ve still got a half glass of chardonney and a burning resentment over his “beaner” Remark.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:48 amIf you have extra chardonney, I have extra lobster…Domn’t sweat the poser…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:51 amwe’re the greatest country on earth that tells anybody they can succeed, not become fodder for liberal elitists.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:52 amI’m not going even dignify you with responses Mr. racsist.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:53 amLobster??? Much as I try to tred lightly on the earth, I would snatch the last lobster on the planet from Al Gore’s hand. How does a freegan get lobster? I so need to rethink my shopping stategy.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:55 amwell then, “mr. racsist”, you can either (a) admit you don’t have a response, (b) keep making your childish remarks, or (c) fix your keyboard or get yourself a new one. most likely, it’s (a), but i’m sure you have the market cornered in all three.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:58 amliberals = the party of inflation. g’night!
May 9th, 2009 at 12:59 amI am a damn good freegan for one thing but I must admit they are culls. Still one of them is a two pound cull. The waste in the food industry is absurd I just happen to have special access, that’s all…If you like cantaloupe I have a have dozen. They are sufficiently pretty for the spoiled brat consumers so that would have just been thrown away. Tragic how spoiled the nation has become…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:59 amGOOPers believe government doesn’t work and when they’re in power it doesn’t. Although it looks like they’re incompetent in every field.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:00 amdamn, that should be “half” and “aren’t” Multiple choice questions are lame when all the choices can be ruled out….
May 9th, 2009 at 1:01 ampeople like american food, not food porn.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:01 amSince Republicans don’t believe in government why do they fight so dirty to get into it?
May 9th, 2009 at 1:01 amg’night and the project needs work. It just lacks something. Good luck…
May 9th, 2009 at 1:01 amNo thats you Smarticus.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:02 amIMHO, neoparody’s posts are so void of reality-based thinking that they do not merit responses. But maybe that’s just me.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:03 amApplebee’s isn’t food and a Caesar sald has coddled egg and anchovies…
May 9th, 2009 at 1:03 amgovernment takes credit for what they don’t create, hoochie crack whore. up late pulling more arguments out of bernie madoff’s files?
May 9th, 2009 at 1:03 amGood question, Shayne. Maybe so that they can demonstrate why people should hate “big gummint”?
May 9th, 2009 at 1:04 amOh, TRoHS, the parodic one has demonstrated that over and over again.
It would be a different story if he were witty. But, sadly, he’s not. He’s just… not.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:05 amThe Archie Effect seems at play…
May 9th, 2009 at 1:06 amDbadass, a two pound cull sounds good to me. You’re right about the spoiled. I get folk at market looking for spotless organic produce. I’m appalled at waste in general and can’t help but think that our less than perfect produce could feed a nation.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:07 amHey ralph! What up my llama?
May 9th, 2009 at 1:07 amSpot on about spotless organic produce, Outstander.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:08 amOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts
May 9th, 2009 at 1:14 amWell atleast some places are moving forward. I think it is nice that my elderly mothers state provides a small monthly allotment for seniors to make purchases at local frmer’s markets. It isn’t much but it is a nice recognition of the value of the elders and their contributions to the society. I am ver blessed in that I can access all major food groups from local sources based on my geography. The barter economy will continue to expand and the “I need more stuff” folks will become increasingly marginalized as resource depletion progresses.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:18 am
dbadass…from your mouth to God’s ears… and how cool that seniors in you area can shop at farmers’ markets. They grew up with farm fresh food and probably appreciate it the most.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:20 amAgainst all odds, each new sockpuppet manages to be stupider than the last. They must have to ram an icepick into their brain every time the create a new one.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:23 amOkay, noparody, lets go back 17 years to 1991 [since this was written in 2008] who was the president in that year?
George H W Bush, thats who.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:27 amAnd? I still can’t find anyone, from any viewpoint, that can prove Mikey isn’t an utter fool. Alas, he will be used as the example of how “the black guy can’t handle leadership” as the GOP continues it’s mad scramble towards the fringes of society.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:28 amIt would never hit anything, I suggest an egg beater connected to a die grinder running 33k RPM in a random orbit
May 9th, 2009 at 1:32 amRomartin16985 Says:
All of this concern over what’s going on with the Republican party shows that they are not irrelevant – if Conservatives and Republicans are so over, why bother so much with them?
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look who’s calling the gop “irrelevant”,
it’s our old friend “huck” huckabee.
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and he’s a jesus man.
:)
May 9th, 2009 at 1:38 amgive the guy a break he is the repubs black guy like palin was their woman.
steele is the best friend the demos have ever had other than cheney and then there is bush, then rummy, then condio, then colin and then etc.
those folks are some real dumb folks but give them credit they have a spine unlike another party I know of.
remember a lot of people lined up to vote for these folks. we are not the brightest bulbs on this planet.
take a trip through the south and then drop by the midwest. then you will understand why so many americans line up to vote for these folks.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:47 amHey neoparody;
May 9th, 2009 at 4:55 amI’ve had govt. cheese; it’s pretty good stuff- real cheese…unlike your cheap imitation Republican cheese food.
LOL. Man, right-wingers are a mess, Michael Steele, oh lawdy. When asked what his name was by some of the white supremacist Repulbicans, he not only immediately said “Toby”, but then he went and gllefully went and got it tattooed on his arm and had his portrait taken at Wal-Mart. Do the Republicans honestly believe that putting up these sellout token minorities fools anybody? I’m a Chicano myself and I had to cry myself to sleep every night I heard Alberto Gonzalez speak. He probably cooked chalupas for Dubya every night wearing a thong and a sombrero. What an embarassment!
May 9th, 2009 at 6:30 amWe need to be more compassionate here.
If you were trying to make the Party of Treason look good, you’d be talking about one-armed midgets, too.
Xe Technology: To Purify America
May 9th, 2009 at 7:01 amIf we’re all very patient….in the next week or so someone will snap a photograph of Sean Hannity putting Dijon mustard on his cheeseburger and it will be plastered all over the Internet for the world to see. LOL
I love right wing karma. It’s the best!
Mustard is one of my most favorite condiments as it is to a lot of Americans. Sean Hannity is giving the finger to quite a few Americans by even bringing up the fact President Obama put Dijon mustard on his cheeseburger!
Again, slowly the right wing turns off Americans with their retarded rhetoric…
May 9th, 2009 at 8:35 am.
Steele really is the Anti-Obama. He’s everything the Repukelickin’s imagine about Obama: Weird, stupid, corrupt, unAmerican. And he only got the job because he’s black, unlike Obama, who’s actually qualified.
More Stupid Republican Tricks, for Moms Day.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am.
You can always count on “Progessives” to attack any conservatives who happen to be black. How non-discriminatory.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:43 amOh and like white conservatives aren’t attacked? It is the stupid which is attacked not the color of the stupid…
May 9th, 2009 at 9:49 amand giving “slum love” to an indian isn’t racist?
May 9th, 2009 at 9:50 amConservativeForProgress Says:
You can always count on “Progessives” to attack any black man who dares to be conservative. How racist.
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the troll support for mike steele
has been a bit underwhelming.
why is that?
:)
mike steele,
man of steel.
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May 9th, 2009 at 9:52 amConservativeForProgress Says:
“Democrats opposed Abolition; opposed Civil Rights”
then how would you explain the rise of the republic party in the south after the civil rights bill was passed? that’s right, all those racist southern democrats jumped ship and were welcomed with open arms into the republic party
May 9th, 2009 at 9:52 amConservativeForProgress Says:
“You can always count on “Progessives” to attack any black man who dares to be conservative. How racist.”
how do you figure drug addled rush limpballs is a “progressive”? and i agree, it is horrible the way he has been attacking colin powell
May 9th, 2009 at 9:54 amIt was the Democrats from the former Confederacy…the Dixiecrats….that opposed Civil Rights.
All those congressional Districts are NOW Republican.
Nixon’s Southern Strategy.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:55 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Democrats opposed Abolition; opposed Civil Rights; and now opposed freedom of blacks to choose a political party. The history of Democrat party racial discrimination continues.
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first african american president,
barak obama, democrat.
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(it was in all the papers.)
:)
May 9th, 2009 at 9:55 amJudges who rule, based on their personal views instead of written legislative law, are acting as kings and as such will grow government power that eventually destroys communities, families, and individual minorities!
A “living and breathing” constitution only politicize judges and grows big government.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:56 amHow typical of a conservative to hear criticism of the performance of a man who happens to be black, and to immediately attribute that criticism to the man’s skin color.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:56 amConservativeForProgress Says:
“Yes, Obama is president because 99 percent of one race voted for a person of their own race. How racist.”
so, according to your logic, it would also be racist if you are white and voted for grampy mclame?
May 9th, 2009 at 10:00 amConservativeForProgress Says:
“Check your history books. Most of the so called “Dixiecrats” remained with the Democrat party. You can see the roll call of Dixiecrat Senators,”
we’re talking the electorate not the elected officials. please do try to keep up
May 9th, 2009 at 10:03 amHistory is interpretation of events. By definition it is subjective.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:04 amWay to reach back a century and a half to support your contemporary political analysis. very intellectually rigorous, there.
Kennedy was a Republican? LBJ was a Republican?
Sure some Democrats opposed Civil Rights. Mostly conservative Southern Democrats. You know who those folks are today? The Republican Party’s conservative southern base.
Please show where any of us has raised opposition to black Americans choosing the political party that they feel best represents their interests?
Betcha can’t.
Strange that, when faced with the choice between making a petty little insult that requires them to use poor grammar and look foolish to anyone who understands the English language, and using adjectives to modify nouns rather than nouns to modify another noun, wingnuts invariably choose the former.
Thus reinforcing their reputation as the modern Know-Nothing Party.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:05 amYou know, Con, if you’re going to use statistics to make your point, it might help to at least make sure your statistics are accurate.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:07 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Most of the so called “Dixiecrats” remained with the Democrat party.
For How Long?? How many of these Congressman and Governor’s Seats are held by Republicans NOW.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:07 amConservativeForProgress,
May 9th, 2009 at 10:08 amand 100% of white voters voted for someone of their own race for the past 230 years. what’s your point? that you’re race baiting? good luck with that
I refuse to give a shit what you do or do not refuse to do.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:09 amConservativeForProgress Says:
I refuse to call the Democrat party Democratic. There is nothing Democratic about it.
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still no support for mike steele?
why do you hate black people?
why won’t you defend mike steele?
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why?
:)
mike steele,
man of steel.
:|
May 9th, 2009 at 10:11 amLOL…Looks like to many pep pills were added to our trolls pablum this morning…Happy posting progressives….P.B.& J
May 9th, 2009 at 10:13 amWhy, do you think the Democrat party has a monopoly on that?
May 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am—
I don’t. See you aren’t much as a fisherman because your lures are so obvious that only a panfish would bite those little hooks…
ConservativeForProgress Says:
Race baiting? Why, do you think the Democrat party has a monopoly on that?
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pizza rolls,
what do you think the republic party has
a monopoly on that?
:)
May 9th, 2009 at 10:13 amSay, Con, whenever I’m trying to build an argument and I know there’s an objective source of information that can support my position, I’m always happy to provide a link to it so that my argument appears stronger to others.
I don’t depend on others to make my argument for me. That’s just the way I roll.
When I see folks who spout inaccurate statistics and dubious historical analyses without any supporting links, and who then demand that others research the sources, I generally figure that the person has got nothing but a smoke screen and is seeking excuses for having their weak arguments rejected.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:14 amHow mature of you. It’s a strong conviction you have for sure — you are willing to appear borderline illiterate in order to make a very grown-up point. Your parents must be so proud.
There’s nothing Democratic about the Democratic Party, except maybe that the officials are elected by democratic processes, and the Party includes a much broader cross-section of the American populace than its rival, that it has historically worked for the interests of the common citizen rather than the wealthy elite more than its rival, and that its presidents have historically been much less willing to push the limits of the law in their pursuit of power than their rival.
Other than that, you make a good, mature, intellectually rigorous point.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:20 amSee? That wasn’t so hard, was it?
From your link:
The States’ Rights Democratic Party (commonly known as the Dixiecrats) was a segregationist, socially conservative political party in the United States.
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Oh, okay. I see now why you’re reluctant to post links. They tend to undermine your argument when people actually follow them.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:22 amConforProgress,
Most of those Dixiecrats that Stayed in the DemocratIC Party were chairmen of Powerfull Congressional Committees.
The House and Senate , at that Time, was Controlled by a Democratic Majority.
Do you know what happens to Powerful Committee Chairmain who Defect to the other Party, when that Party is in the Minority??
Ask Arlen Specter.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:31 amCFP, you are doing a great parody of a bigoted, ignorant, fearful right wing coward. It’s almost real enough to believe, but just warped enough to give it away as parody.
Unless, of course, you really ARE that stupid.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:34 amThe Republican party is much better off without the RINO
– That is probably true. It frees up a little more food and water for the few that remain as the captainless, rudderless ship of fools ship approaches the shoals…
May 9th, 2009 at 10:36 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Good luck with Arlen Specter. The Republican party is much better off without the RINO. He’s all yours now.
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bachmann and craig.
they’re all yours.
:)
:)
May 9th, 2009 at 10:36 amTo speak even more strictly, “Republican” can be used as both a noun AND an adjective.
“Democrat” is strictly a noun. The adjectival form is “Democratic”. So your mature linguistic convictions require that you constantly use a noun to modify another noun, which is grammatically incorrect and makes you look borderline illiterate.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:37 amIs it just me or are others laughing at the fact that Michael Steele is trying to increase the size of the republican tent, but it’s the neck drooling knuckle draggers of the party who are butting him every step of the way?
Just when you have a neocon trying to convince us that it’s the Democrats who are the racists, we learn that the republic party is still where all the hatred & division lies!
May 9th, 2009 at 10:37 amMy point is that Arlen Specter is NO LONGER the Ranking Member on the Senate Judiciary Committee. He has lost his Seniority.
And Good Luck with Jefferson Sessions III.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:38 amWow. A sharp pivot on subject without even so much as a head fake.
For a guy who’s so steadfast in his use of irregular grammar to make a dignified, adult point, you sure abandoned that whole “Democrats are racist” line of attack in a hurry.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:40 amThe Archie Effect seems to remain in effect.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:44 amA paraphrased quote from an idiot
May 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am“It is just a god damned piece of paper”
Historically the Democratic party has had a platform which included standing up for the more common citizens rather than the so called wealthy, but that certainly can’t be counted on now!
Remember the famous “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country” speech?
May 9th, 2009 at 10:46 amOooo, another link from our conservative friend! See? Conservatives CAN learn new tricks occasionally.
Tell us, CFP, is there anything in the editorial to which you linked that offers anything more recent than, say, your Dixiecrat argument from forty-plus years ago?
Here’s something to consider, CFP… you’re insisting on using the 1960s as a valid illustration of the character of the political parties today, right? (Otherwise, your argument is irrelevant.) If that is the case, you have to surrender your cherished “Republicans are strong on defense” meme, because forty years ago, it was Democrats who led the nation through WW2, Korea and Vietnam, Democratic presidents who were willing to use the full might of the US Armed Forces to protect the nation from the global threat of communism.
So you can either acknowledge that the history of forty-five years ago is instructive but little relevant today, or you can acknowledge that Democrats are the ones who are willing to defend the nation against REAL threats.
Can’t have it both ways.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:49 amIndeed, dbadass. The Archie Effect is strong in these two.
I’m thinking that Troll Central made a fundamental error in training them in talking points first, rather than building a fundamental ability to debate and THEN feeding them the talking points.
Your thoughts?
May 9th, 2009 at 10:52 amWell fot starters I think I need to gobble up the rest of this left over lobster. Beyond that I am concerned that one of them would have become disabled in service of principles which they seems not to comprehend…
May 9th, 2009 at 10:58 amYou may have missed the part where I made this observation in a comparative, not a definitive sense:
it has historically worked for the interests of the common citizen rather than the wealthy elite more than its rival. It’s a sad fact of our political system that both parties are beholden to the monied interests that finance their campaigns. But of the two primary parties, the Democratic Party is clearly the more focused on the needs and interests of the middle and lower classes.
Not even sure what this is supposed to prove. Did CFP’s performance inspire you, too, to reach back almost a half a century for support for your argument?
May 9th, 2009 at 10:58 amdbadass, lobster makes an excellent omelette.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:00 amI think I need to hire a keyboardist. I am a typo nightmare…
I wonder what response we can draw by asking for the definition of a true republican since the RINO gambit has already been played. The ever shrinking tent concept amuses me as they continue to seek to purify the weirdness…
May 9th, 2009 at 11:03 amOr eggs benedict. But making hollandaise is tricky.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:03 amralph, this doppelganger thing has to stop. Try that omelette with chives and goat cheese. It is oh so elitist…
May 9th, 2009 at 11:05 amDruids Dream:
May 9th, 2009 at 11:07 amI hate to admit this but in a pinch the Knorr’s mix is tolerable but still the real thing is preferred and not that hard with practice. My problem is that I was trained to make larger quantities than I now need.
dbadass, I actually missed the doppelganger thing. You and I have been on such mismatched schedules lately that the trolls have been getting off easy
May 9th, 2009 at 11:10 amMy point is that many here are so tied to their political party or liberal-conservative viewpoint while demonizing the other that there’s no progress.
Sometimes our leaders present themselves one way and their actions show otherwise!
Remember President Obama campaigning as a fiscal conservative and criticizing President Bush on the deficit? Some of our fellow citizens actually believe he’s going to fulfill his promise of cutting the deficit even though his proposed spending totals more than all of our previous president’s combined. And if you find that stimulus spending tracking web site let the rest of us know.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:13 amdbadass, I have that problem too. I’ve gotten better at it though. “Waste not want not” as they say.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:14 amTry this.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:20 amRomartin, you didn’t make your point well at all. It’s still confusing.
And your assertion that Obama ran as a “fiscal conservative” calls into serious question your ability to accurately analyze or describe anything in the political realm.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:22 amIf Obama ran as a “fiscal conservative” then all those Republicans claiming he was running as a “socialist” either have no ability to assess policy, or they were flat-out lying.
Which was it?
May 9th, 2009 at 11:31 amNot really locust,
Obama campaigned on lowering taxes for 95% of Americans, ending wasteful spending, going line by line through spending proposals, and cutting the deficit.
Sounds pretty conservative to me.
We’re already getting the wasteful spending.
Just wait for those tax increases – they’ll of course be justified as necessary to pay for all of that spending!
May 9th, 2009 at 11:33 amWow. These Republics certainly *insist* on ferociously clinging to their delusions, don’t they??
CFP – you toss LYNDON JOHNSON in our faces as an example of a RACIST DEMOCRAT????
That’s just …sad. You’re breaking my heart, Con. Seriously.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:40 amOnly because you have a warped sense of the term “conservative”. For instance, you seem to equate “wasteful spending” with “liberal”. This is an absurd right-wing pejorative bias that has little to do with reality.
And in fact, the only president in the past twenty-nine years who has cut the deficit has been a Democratic President.
Again, that pejorative “wasteful spending”. As if that is a goal of liberals or something. Government is big and it spends a lot of money. Some of that money will be spent wastefully, no doubt. But just because money is spent, doesn’t mean it is spent wastefully, which seems to be your position.
And as for tax increases, one could credibly claim that tax increases are way overdue.
Wars are expensive. They are paid for by higher taxes. This nation has never waged a war and CUT taxes before. Eisenhower presided over a top marginal rate of 91% for most of his presidency, in order to pay off the debt accumulated in WW2. Taxes should have been raised when we went into Iraq. instead Bush took the route of short-term convenience, built the federal deficit to massive levels and almost tripled the national debt.
AND left the economy in a shambles.
Taxes were going to have to go up anyway. The reason Obama could pledge to lower taxes on 95% of Americans was twofold: one, the middle class had gradually assumed more than its share of the tax burden under Bush and this had hamstrung our economy to an extent, and two, most economists agree that recessions call for deficit spending.
When the economy rights itself (which it will) and prosperity returns (which it will) then the tax structure will be adjusted again to suit the conditions.
May 9th, 2009 at 11:48 amtax whining gets so tiresome…
May 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pmAgreed, it’s a critical mistake, but who’s to say they’re even capable of debate? To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you target the blue blogs with the trolls you have, not the trolls you want.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pmYou are wrong on many counts.
The lions share of government revenue comes from the top 10% of earners.
Thats a fact. You can’t justify the spending that’s going on now by our President and Congress. The amount is so huge, it dwarfs what was spent plus what is being spent on the war.
I’m tired of hearing all of this blaming on what was inherited. Grow up and deal with what is.
The economy is in a shambles, yes. We need more jobs. We need businesses to expand. If this is the goal, we need to be on a road that leads there, which we are not.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pmYou are wrong on many counts.
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May 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWho is and what qualifies you to be the arbitrator? The lion’s share of government revenue comes from the wealthy Chinese investors?
Revenue comes from taxpayers.
We borrow from China.
Big difference there.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pmNo shit. They also control more than the lion’s share of the wealth. In fact, the share of wealth controlled by the top 10% of earners has increased over the last ten years, but their share of the tax burden has not kept pace.
In 2007, the year the new Survey of Consumer Finances data cover, a family needed to sport a net worth of at least $8.3 million to enter the nation’s richest 1 percent. Together, these top 1 percent families held a collective net worth of $21.9 trillion, $3.5 trillion more than the net worth of all the families in the nation’s bottom 90 percent combined.
The average income for middle class Americans has fallen over that same period.
All pretty much agree that the Bush tax cuts disproportionately benefited the wealthy. Thus, their tax burdens would be lessened more than the middle class. This means that the middle class share of the tax burden increased.
I can’t justify it to YOU, of course, because you don’t seem to have a very sophisticated sense of government fiscal or tax policy.
But the fact that you so easily dismiss war spending that was funded by a tripling of the national debt shows that you’re not serious about “deficit spending”.
Fine. But in order to effectively “deal with what is” one must understand the conditions one faces. It’s a shame if it means placing responsibility for those conditions on unrealistic domestic and foreign policies of the administration that left office not five months ago, and seeking to reverse failed policies.
Clearly, lower taxes and less regulation are not the ways to get there. You guys had your chance. Your way failed.
May 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pmYour point?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pmSo about this arbitrator thing and why are you so concerned about paying a few taxes to support the greatest nation? Don’t you already have more shit than you need?
May 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWe’re already getting the wasteful spending.
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May 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pmCan you be a little more specific as what expenditures you see as wasteful and which you see as wise?
thanks-
So, Con? Perhaps like that ex-Republican icon, Joe the Dumber–er, PLUMBER, wasteful spending is anything other than Medicare, Medicaid, defense, social security…?
Yeah, OK. *eyes rolling*
May 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pmAh, much better approach than the one I used, dbadass. I’m anxious to see how our friend responds.
May 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pmI’m tired of hearing all of this blaming on what was inherited. Grow up and deal with what is.
The economy is in a shambles, yes.
Of course, this wasn’t the result of failed policies. Policies certain people think should be continued?
Face it, this President did inherit a mess. A mess caused by years of policies that benefited the richest of Americans.
If you want to put out a call to grow up, start at home.
May 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pmWhy do trolls and Republicans believe the world started on January 20, 2009?
May 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhere’s the wasteful spending in Washington? Why then did President Obama promise to go “line by line” through any major spending proposals, why did he promise transparency and a website to track the stimulus spending? By the way, if you can find that web site please let the rest of us know.
The stimulus spending won’t help our economy. Every dollar spent must come from somewhere – out of the private sector, which then has less money to support jobs. Its a zero-sum transfer of jobs and money.
And to expect politicians to correct any problem we have without superimposing their political agendas into the fix is ridiculous.
May 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pmRomartin16985, Are you serious? The web site is below. How can you post comments to a discussion when you’re not even aware of the information out there?
http://www.recovery.gov/
You’re arguing economic theory against some of the brightest minds in the industry who Obama is listening too without sighting why you think a stimulus won’t work. Net zero effect? Injecting cash into an economy will slow the death-spiral we’re in. Granted one could argue “how” these funds are being applied though but, we are too far removed from the situation to bring these nit-picky assessments with any merit.
You need to research Keynesian economics versus Say’s Law of Markets. Keynesian economics is more “real life” based and is what Obama is applying here. Bush the idiot applied Say’s law and applying Say’s law failed miserably.
May 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pmYeah, I am serious.
Tracking the dollars after they are “allocated” by the federal government must be done by the states. Some are doing that, some are having problems in case you hadn’t heard. The web site you refer to only provides part of the promised transparency.
Here’s some basic economics for you – the government cannot and does not create wealth. Congress does not have a vault of money to dip into and inject into our economy. The money must be taken from somewhere else first. Doing this will have its own repercussions which you ignore.
And economists and everyone else who pays attention agree that our economic problems began with the housing bubble bursting, and those who should have rented instead of purchasing defaulting on their loans. Your insults directed at President Bush reveal your bias.
May 9th, 2009 at 8:03 pmI don’t recall anyone claiming that the government creates wealth. Can you provide evidence that someone made this claim?
Perhaps you also agree with the subject of this thread, Michael Steele, who recently claimed that government doesn’t create jobs, either?
And your oversimplistic attempts to blame our current economic problems on “those who should have rented” rather than on those in power who gamed the system or those in power who tripled the national debt by cutting taxes in wartime reveal not only your bias but your inability to intelligently analyze complex economic conditions.
That’s nothing unusual, however. A lot of conservatives share those traits.
May 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pmRomartin16985, As ralph the wonder locust stated, I wasn’t attacking Bush I was stating what Bush said and did failed. He said that he thought “the economy would fix its self” which is Say’s law thinking. I don’t believe that Say’s law applies to the economy in “reality” terms. Say’s law, in my opinion, is a cop-out way of handling things.
I believe that government should allow wealth to occur by ensuring abuse won’t happen to some extent. No one can ensure that any abuse won’t happen. However, these boom-to-bust economic situations are killing those who are trying to become wealthy or secure which are middle class and poor families.
There is too much generalizations about the housing market right now. Here are some scenarios:
1) Some people thought that they could sell their house and make a profit after a year or so knowing that they wouldn’t be able to afford the house. 2) Some lenders had created fog-a-mirror loans (no-doc). 3) Some loan officers lied about how much a client made with no-doc loans.
Without proper regulation and oversight, these things occurred and went unchallenged at the root level. The housing market and what individuals and companies did are a far cry from what Wall Street investors did WITH the loans. There were quite a few “players” in this act of our history.
I strongly believe that smart regulations would have kept this from becoming a problem. Wall Street did what Wall Street does and government let them do it without consequence. Now, we all wait and see if Obama can fix this mess.
May 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pmI’m aware that there were many contributing factors to the mess we’re in, and plenty of blame to go around. You mention many, but the problem has been defined as beginning with the subprime mortgage crisis, preceded by a huge run up of subprime loans and dramatic increases in homeownership. Evidence now the unfortunate loss of primary residences for many.
I would like to see lenders who broke the law in making bad loans be prosecuted. I would like to see Fannie and Freddie executives held responsible for their part in repackaging these loans into bad investments. You can fault an easy money policy and overbuilding for the housing boom. And looking back our policy makers should have seen this coming. (Some did and pushed for more regulation over Fannie and Freddie). But the trigger for our economic mess was loan defaults by homeowners, so you can’t leave the consumer blameless.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:52 amRomartin16985, I agree with your post #282 100%. Far to cheap money was a contributing factor. Consumer spending gone wild. I had a FHA loan in 1994 and thought it was a great program. Abuse is shared with those quasi-agencies for sure.
Let’s not forget about the banks being allowed to merge with other financial entities. That was a BIG mistake. We can’t trust these corporations to self-regulate as they found in the 1930’s don’t-cha-know. Many saw that as a bad idea and I hope they go down in history so we can remember them as well as the “villains”.
Thanks for the debate. I think we brought up some good points. Heck, we gotta put these dead threads to use somehow ;)
P.S. I supported Bush for Afghanistan but not Iraq. I think we should have listened to our allies more on that one.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pmseslichat
May 10th, 2009 at 11:34 pmsesli chat
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so what are you libs going to do about the national debt? will we have to pull a reagan and send baracki packing to peanut land?????????????????
You can go straight to hell for all I care you neocon pond scum sucking bottom feeding boil on a camel’s dick! Go to troll hell! I bet you work in telemarketing, don’t you? Annoying people is your forte, after all. Why don’t you go to Gretawire.com where you will feel right at home among the racists, homophobes, xenophobes, bible thumpers, gun clenching, anti-choice hellions and trailer trash dwellers? You can spew vile and hate all you want and you will be embraced with open arms.
Honestly…. why are you here?
And so as to be on topic, Michael Steele is as irrelevant as the Trollster in Chief, Neopussy.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
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Good one, liberal kelly. What is it with those people who “spew vile and hate?” ;)
Also to be on topic, it’s a shame the GOP chose to use Steele as a token when he clearly wasn’t the right person to be RNC Chair.
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