Cheney: As a Republican, I choose Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.
Cheney: As a Republican, I choose Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.
Last week, former Secretary of State Colin Powell said that the Republican Party is in “deep trouble” because it is “getting smaller” and being led by far right polarizing figures. Specifically, he said that Rush Limbaugh “diminishes the party and intrudes or inserts into our public life a kind of nastiness that we would be better to do without.” Limbaugh then responded that Powell ought to “close the loop” and leave the Republican Party instead of “claiming” to be interested in reforming it. Today on CBS’s Face the Nation, host Bob Schieffer asked Cheney about the spat. Cheney said that he comes down squarely on the side of Limbaugh:
CHENEY: Well, if I had to choose — in terms of being a Republican — I’d go with Rush Limbaugh, I think. My take on it was that Colin had already left the party. I didn’t know he was still a Republican. [...]
SCHIEFFER: And you said you’d take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell?
CHENEY: I would. Politically.
Watch it:
During the Bush administration, of course, Cheney and Powell often sparred over their differences on foreign policy. On the other hand, Cheney has long been a fervent admirer of Rush Limbaugh. In March, Cheney told CNN, “Rush is a good friend. I love him. … I think Rush is a good man and serves a very important purpose.”
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May 10th, 2009 at 11:27 amIf Cheney has any influence left over the 21%ers, this is very good news indeed for Democrats.
It means the Republican Party will continue to shrink.
For the nation as a whole, not so good. We need a viable opposition party to force the party in power to play their best. We don’t have that currently.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:27 amCheney told CNN, “I think Rush is a good man and serves a very important purpose.”
The Ku Klux Klan thinks that Rush Limbaugh is a good man and serves a very important purpose, too.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:31 amBravo Mr Powell. There is such a thing as redemption and you have achieved it in my eyes.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:34 amJust shows you what a traitorous old prick Dick really is.
A hate monger bigot over a retired General whose service to our nation is mocked by this moron.
Den Hague, hurry the f uck up!
May 10th, 2009 at 11:35 am“Well, if I had to choose — in terms of being a Republican — I’d go with Rush Limbaugh, I think.”
‘Nuff said. Really.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:38 amAs a Repugnican’t a blowhard white cracker has more appeal than an intelligent black leader.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:39 amI’m surprised Cheney pronounced “love” correctly. He strikes me as someone who would only have seen it written.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:40 am“SCHIEFFER: And you said you’d take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell?
CHENEY: I would. Politically.”
thanks for clarifying that you would “take Rush” politically, not sexually.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:44 amUnless Cheney turns out to be two Dominican preteens standing on each other’s shoulders.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:46 amRush will be very pleased with his brain-programming efforts.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:46 amAs an American, I would take anyone over Darth Cheney or Rush Limpballs.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:47 amNot to worry, Dick–the rest of the real world picks Curly of the Three Stooges over you.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:48 amWhat a shame for the republican party.
His comments perfectly sum up what appears to be the collective thinking of the (wrong side of the) gop. Unreal, after years of railing on and on about patriotism and service, they willingly choose to follow the bloviating of a drug addled entertainer over that of a seasoned and intelligent and accomplished veteran. It speaks volume about the mentality of the current republican party.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:53 am>>>For the nation as a whole, not so good. We need a viable opposition party to force the party in power to play their best. We don’t have that currently.
I agree with you there ralph the wonder locust.
delafield says “The Ku Klux Klan thinks that Rush Limbaugh is a good man and serves a very important purpose, too.”
I wonder who’d get pissed if it was pointed out that radical muslims think obama serves an important purpose?
May 10th, 2009 at 11:54 amAnd this is exactly why the Republican party is at 21% today. The only people who are welcome in the party are those who willingly agree to be lemmings who will follow their leaders right off that cliff. Too bad for the Republicans that a lot of thoughtful and intelligent Republicans have decided that they are not going to go off that cliff and have left the party. There are a few left who are trying to change the party from within, but they are fighting a losing battle.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:55 amRWeSafer Says:
Bravo Mr Powell. There is such a thing as redemption and you have achieved it in my eyes.
Powell will never receive redemption from me until such time as he confesses to the sins he committed while serving under George Bush. If he were to do that and were to tell the truth about what happened during those years, then and only then will I think he has redeemed himself.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:57 amChainy and Rushy sit’n in a tree
May 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pmk-i-s-s-s-i-n-g
first comes LOVE
then come marriage
Then comes FAUX Noise in a baby carriage!
Way to go GOP.
Continue like this, and the Democrats will never again have to be worried about future Elections against you.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pmI’m not surprised that chickenhawk Cheney prefers fellow draft dodger Limbaugh to the war hero.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pmso dickhead cheney chooses a drug addled gasbag over a decorated general. it is very telling in terms of how they view vets- five deferment dick and anal cyst tub-o-lard BFFs
May 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pm“Rush is a good man.”
May 10th, 2009 at 12:05 pmCheney just can’t stop lying.
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Powell will never receive redemption from me until such time as he confesses to the sins he committed while serving under George Bush. If he were to do that and were to tell the truth about what happened during those years, then and only then will I think he has redeemed himself.
>> I thought the same before — no longer. He is clearly making amends. First the endorsement of Obama (which Rush clearly bastardizes in his response) and now this. Not perfect, but I am clearly seeing movement in the “right” direction. It still is hard to take the speech at the UN, however, and the lack of a strong voice when he was one of the gang.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI’d be willing to bet that radical muslims think George W. Bush served their purposes much more effectively than President Obama does. Every group needs an external threat to inspire unity.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pmCheney is always going to the Church of Fox News on Sunday. I always knew he was a good Christian.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pmToday on ABC’s This Week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) also said, “I don’t want to moderate either. I think our policies, the principles of our party, are as viable today as they have been in the past.”
You bet they are, Grampy.
Kids today… they don’t know a thing about the world. They all have mp3 players. Well, mp3 players can’t hold a candle to a good Victrola. Now finish your butterscotch pudding.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pmwhere’s my BFF Conservativeforprogress so he can translate for ignorant lil me what dickhead cheney really meant?
May 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pmThe only reason Cheney is even invited to talk to the MSM is because they know he will say something controversial. The same goes for Palin, Bachmann and the other wackjobs on the reich.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pmNow if Powell would have supported McCain, old Dick would be giving Colin the proverbial oral handjob.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pmI look forward to the day the Republicans become the “third party”. I envision this country with a 3 party system; The Democratic Party, The Progressive Party and (on the fringe)The Republicans.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:20 pmOnce again Cheney proves he’s a moron!
May 10th, 2009 at 12:21 pmSo, Cheney chooses Limbaugh over Powell politically, and cha cha cha thanks him for clarifing “politically” over “sexually”. The trouble is, polics is sex in the republican party. Dirty campaigns and stomping on the Constitution is the only way Dicky Bird can get it up. So, when he says that he prefers Rush over Powell, he is confessing his man love. I always knew The Penguin was in the closet.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:26 pmhahahaha,,,,McDiapers IS a moderate.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI see no consistency of belief in Colin Powell supporting President Reagan and now supporting the policies of President Obama.
Best for the republican party to probably not take his advice. I agree with Cheney.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pmAnd that’s just what the Democratic Party is hoping for. You go, Romartin!
May 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pmChickenhawks stick together.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pmAnd I’d go with diabetes over cancer — medically. But I don’t want either. Same goes for Downer Freak and Blot. Rush is a carnival barker, a caricature, and you know what you’re getting with him. Colin Powell was a far bigger disappointment because he was a globally respected figure who in the most important moment of his political career folded like a piece of origami. He can do all the damage control he wants, but we’re still stuck with a pointless, costly war that he helped enable.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pmHe prefers Rush politically?
Does that mean sexually he would take Powell over Limbaugh?
Even speaking as a lesbian, I cant say as I blame him…
May 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pmI see no consistency of belief in Colin Powell supporting President Reagan and now supporting the policies of President Obama.
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May 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pmMight you bullet the main evidences in support of what you do see?
Thanks…
Those are all fine points, cazzie, but… if you had your choice of figures around which to rebuild a viable political party, would you stick with the carnival barker or go with the once-respected figure who’s struggling to restore some credibility?
May 10th, 2009 at 12:38 pmToday on ABC’s This Week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) also said, “I don’t want to moderate either. I think our policies, the principles of our party, are as viable today as they have been in the past.”
Like that turd on the sidewalk that everyone has learned to walk around…
May 10th, 2009 at 12:38 pmThe Republican party will do well when they move to the right, we’ve tried it the other way.
President Obama campaigned as a fiscal conservative and look where it got him.
The party will get there, I know you’re enjoying the process but don’t get too used to it locust.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm39. dbadass Says: Might you bullet the main evidences in support of what you do see? Thanks…
I can think of one: Powell didn’t get a free Jaguar in exchange for support of Obama’s policies the way he did for carrying bush’s water…
May 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pmRomartin16985 Says:
I see no consistency of belief in Colin Powell supporting President Reagan and now supporting the policies of President Obama.
Best for the republican party to probably not take his advice. I agree with Cheney.
…
ro,
how sweet of you to come by so early in the morning
to kiss the cyst of a coward who chickened out.
your support of limbaugh over a hero like general powell,
who has spent his life in service to his country, makes
you a true republican. congratulations.
:)
bachmann/craig 2012!
:)
:)
May 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pmGo to the Devil, Dick—er, waitaminnit, I forgot: you ARE the Devil!!!
Oh…never mind.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pmRomartin16985 Says:
The Republican party will do well when they move to the right, we’ve tried it the other way.
Ah, yes, the famous “Bush wasn’t a real conservative” nonsense from the far Right. Funny, but they defended the Bush administration with tooth and claw for seven years. It was only when it became obvious, even to the wingnuts, that the Bushies were a complete disaster did they start to scuttle away.
Right wing ideology simply doesn’t work, and right wingers cannot successfully govern, primarily because all they’re interested in is taking care of themselves and taking care of corporate wealth.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pmWe’re all for the Republican Party moving further to the right. No arguments here. I think you guys should go for it.
President Obama campaigned as a fiscal conservative and look where it got him.
So all those right-wingers who got their panties in a bunch over Obama’s “socialistic” policies, his “share the wealth” philosophy… were they stupid or were they lying?
May 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pmHere’s a link for the winger troll. Always assuming, of course, that he can find someone to read it to him.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
OH! OH! OH! Ralphie!! I KNOW!!!
BOTH!!!!!
May 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pmgum, I think you’re right, but in my view, the inability of right-wingers to govern effectively has less to do with their aims of enriching themselves and their corporatist allies and more to do with their inherent disdain for government itself.
Not that the two cannot work hand-in-hand, mind you.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
So all those right-wingers who got their panties in a bunch over Obama’s “socialistic” policies, his “share the wealth” philosophy… were they stupid or were they lying?
“Or”?
May 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pmAnnie, I’m going to have to ask you to not shout out the answer, even when it’s this easy.
I want to find out what our friend knows.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:52 pmIn Powell’s folding I see a man concerned with his personal legacy.
And regarding those who cried socialist, they saw that President Obama was saying one thing with the reverberating mic in front of him and another to Joe the Plumber when there was no teleprompter in sight.
May 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pmlol, Romartin, you are doing a great parody of a hapless right winger!
spot on, bro!
May 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm….
wands sykes:
“Rush Limbaugh, one of your big critics. Boy, Rush Limbaugh said he hopes this administration fails. Yeah. So you’re saying I hope America fails. It’s like I don’t care about people losing their homes, losing their jobs, our soldiers in Iraq. He just wants the country to fail. To me that’s treason. He’s not saying anything differently than what Osama bin Laden is saying. You know, you might want to look into this sir but I think maybe Rush Limbaugh was the 20th highjacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight.”
***
love that girl.
too bad the republicans can’t do teh funny,
:)
May 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Annie, I’m going to have to ask you to not shout out the answer, even when it’s this easy.
I want to find out what our friend knows.
Sowwy, Ralphie! :o/
May 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pmRomartin16985 Says:
In Powell’s folding I see a man concerned with his personal legacy.
And regarding those who cried socialist, they saw that President Obama was saying one thing with the reverberating mic in front of him and another to Joe the Plumber when there was no teleprompter in sight.
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poor ro.
joe has left the building.
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you must make an effort to keep up.
:)
May 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm“But we have to improve our outreach and our communication, and that doesn’t mean betray our principles” said McCain.
What PRINCIPLES would they be betraying??? They TOUT THEIR CHRISTIANITY and yet behave with TORTURE, AGAINST RIGHT TO CHOSE, HATE GAYS, ANTI-STEM CELL RESEARCH, DESPISE LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, AND AGAINST EVERYTHING ELSE ONE CAN THINK OF. Moreover, as I have stated previously, they would be better off taking ‘POLITICS’ out of their Party and simple become a CULTISH RELIGIOUS PARTY.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pmThis comes as a surprise? I have no doubt that if the Nazis hadn’t gotten so much bad press in the ’40s, he would have preferred them to Powell, as well.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm…
it gets better.
wanda again:
“Dick Cheney…he’s a scary man..scares me to death. I tell my kids, I say look if two cars pull up and one has a stranger and the other car has Dick Cheney…you get in the car with the stranger.”
**
good advice.
:0
May 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pmOh, I’m afraid you’re gonna have to explain this.
You claimed “President Obama campaigned as a fiscal conservative”.
But the prevailing right-wing attack refrain was “he’s a socialist”. They claimed “he wants to share the wealth”. They claimed he wanted “big government”.
They didn’t claim “he’s says one thing one time and something else when there’s no teleprompter”. And Obama never flip-flopped on what he said to Joe the Plumber’s Helper.
So were they stupid for claiming that someone who you say campaigned as a “fiscal conservative” was a ’socialist” or were they lying?
May 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pmLet’s see now . . . .
Limbaugh: Failed sportscaster, drug addict, opinionated slob, frequently lies and/or distorts the truth, never served in the military, claims there is no recession for us rich people.
Powell: Secretary of State, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, four star General, decorated war hero, scholar.
. . . and Cheney chooses Boss Limbaugh ! If it wasn’t so very, very beneficial to burying the Republicans under their own shit – it would be tragic. Keep up the good work Dickie !
May 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pmAgreed. Much better than neoparody.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pmNo prob, Annie. You know I still love you.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmThis just keeps getting better and better.. The big tent seems to be turning into a freak show tent, with Rush as the announcer, Cheney as the huge bloated head guy, Ann Coulter as the incredible half man, half woman, Palin as the pitbull with Lipstick and various other clowns and freaks! It’s as facinating as a train wreck, you know it’s going to be bad, but you can’t look away. Step right up folks get your tickets here!
May 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pmRomartin16985
May 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pm—
It is the SamJoe not plumbers that have brought down this nation…
joe
You must want to misunderstand, yes that must be it.
Or maybe you just can’t, I don’t know.
At the very least don’t mischaracterize what Limbaugh said – he believes many of the President’s policies are bad for the country. He wants the policies to fail so as to prevent, not create, more job loss and economic pain. Disagree with his view on the President’s policies if you will, but don’t lie about what Limbaugh actually said.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmI don’t care what kind of “good result” Cheney says they got from KSM or any other terrorist they waterboarded. The POINT HE IS ADMITTING TO IS THAT HE “AUTHORIZED TORTURE” and got W to sign off on it as well. We need NO OTHER PROOF THAN HIS RECENT STATEMENTS as he broadcasts his involvement in TORTURE to the world community. He has admitted his complicity and his statements will serve as the PROOF the U.S. or Hague needs to convict him. It amazes me that he isn’t smart enough to figure this out, or if he is, he is simply ARROGANT enough to think he will ‘never be prosecuted’ for his war crimes. But he has also implicated W to such an extent that Bush will never be allowed to escape prosecution either. I bet W is saying, “thanks a lot dickhead or speak only for yourself Dickhead!”
May 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmRepublicans celebrate ignorance and hate, as those are the primary pillars of their party.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmLet’s see small Dick Cheney avoids the draft….like Bush. Powell rose from the ranks and served his country admirably. Sorry small Dick. I doubt that even your KKK base will be with you on that one.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pmBut by all means, Romartin, do what you can to help push the Republican Party further to the right. That’s the ticket. You betcha.
And whatever you do, please don’t throw me in that briar patch.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pmYou know, when the man said “I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.” you don’t really get to parse it the way you want to.
Just own up to the truth of the sentiment Rush expressed and has reiterated many times.
I’ll make it simple for you:
Whether or not Obama’s policies succeed or fail, it comes down to this: Democrats are in power and Obama is in the White House. if the economy improves, Obama and the Democrats will get the credit.
This is unacceptable to Limbaugh. His only hope is that the nation’s economy fails to recover.
If the nation succeeds, Obama succeeds. If the nation fails, Obama fails. No way around that. Rush hopes the nation fails.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pmAnd whatever you do, please don’t throw me in that briar patch.
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May 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmDon’t get olde ConservativeForProgress started on that old “Song of the South” crap again….
Ralph @40– good question. And the fact that it’s actually a tough call speaks volumes about the electorate. I can’t remember who coined the phrase “United States of Amnesia,” but it has rung true more times than I care to remember — November ‘04 being the most egregious instance. To that end, Powell’s image probably could be re-habbed with relentless perception management (or as it used to be called, “good press”). But even with that, clever opponents could always skewer him as a guy who was “for the war before he was against it,” or something on that order. It might be too soon for him to jump back in. He might be more of a liability. Why a braying jackass like Rush has so much juice on the political landscape, I will never understand. But his “dittoheads” are legion, so on volume alone (numbers, not decibels) — assuming one was trying merely to win an election, and not restore a semblance of decency and direction to a limping republic — he actually may bring more to the table than Powell. I always liked Powell, but he sold out big-time, and regrettably I will always remember him as a sell-out.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmChicken Hawk Love…disgusting.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmlocust,
Can you really not see this point? Yes Limbaugh said “I hope he fails”! He DID NOT say I hope America fails!
Hoping for Obama’s policies (and politically, he IS his policies) to fail would not be the end of our country. He is not King!
May 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pmdbadass, did you know that Joe Baskett, the actor who portrayed Uncle remus in South of the South was only 44 when he played that role, and died at age 46?
Baskett was unable to attend the film’s premiere in Atlanta, Georgia because he would not have been allowed to participate in any of the festivities in what was then a city racially segregated by law. On March 20, 1948, Baskett received an Honorary Academy Award for his performance as Uncle Remus. He was the first black man to win an Academy Award, albeit a non-competitive one.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmPowell didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP left the human race.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmFunny that Limbaugh did carry water for a King with advisers [Unitary executive] thats hardly democratic..
May 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmOf course I see the point you’re trying to make. Unfortunately, it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, for the reasons I laid out. Your argument is simply a lame attempt to excuse a petulant desire for America’s failure by parsing a simple declarative statement.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmRomartin16985 Says:
joe
You must want to misunderstand, yes that must be it.
Or maybe you just can’t, I don’t know.
At the very least don’t mischaracterize what Limbaugh said – he believes many of the President’s policies are bad for the country. He wants the policies to fail so as to prevent, not create, more job loss and economic pain. Disagree with his view on the President’s policies if you will, but don’t lie about what Limbaugh actually said.
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you’ve gone of the rails, ro.
because no here knows who or
what you are referring to.
***
try to be a better republican,
ok?
:)
May 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmcazzie, I’m not arguing that Powell deserves the redemption he seeks. His failures are the type that destroy legacies.
My point was that, given the choice, Cheney would rather stand with, as you so aptly put it, a “braying jackass”. Doesn’t say much for the judgment of a former VP.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pmHe wants the policies to fail so as to prevent, not create, more job loss and economic pain. -=RM=-
What? Limbaugh carried GOP water during eight years when only three million jobs were created under the Bush admin. I would scarcely call Limbaugh a preventer of job loss…tax cuts dont create jobs, yet Limbaugh backed such policies.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmFlimsy straw man. I never said it would be “the end of the country”. Failure is not the same thing as death.
Nor did I say the President is “King”.
When you are forced to mischaracterize my arguments in this way it’s a pretty vivid demonstration of the intellectual bankruptcy of your own.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pmlol, ro, you definately got the ‘argument by lying’ part down!
perfect impression of a lying right wing coward and the spin they’ll try to make a point!
May 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pmlocust,
So you believe Limbaugh hopes President Obama fails, because he doesn’t want the Democrats to get credit when the economy improves?
This implies that Limbaugh actually believes the President is on the right track to fix the economy, yet opposes him on the radio because maybe the President will take Rush’s advice and change course and then the economy will get even worse and the Democrats will look bad.
Good one!
May 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmNo I did not ralph… Interesting yet not suprising…
May 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmLimbaugh is for Limbaugh. Period. Hes not talking to his listeners, he is trying to convince himself he is right when he has been very very wrong.
Its called crackpot realism..these folks think that the reason their policies failed is because more of them were not applied.
Limbaugh is in denial.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pmCouldn’t agree more, Ralph — it’s pretty well confirmed that the former VP has some judgment impairments.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pmAbsolutely. What makes you think any differently?
Your reasoning, such as it is, is flawed. I doubt Rush thinks the President is on the right path to fix the economy. But he is probably smart enough in his less-egotistical moments (if he has any — and I suspect he does) to recognize that any economy, especially one the size of the US, is an unpredictable beast that regularly makes fools of those who think they know which way it’s heading.
Therefore, for all his bluster and bombast, Rush is aware that nobody really knows what the economy will look like six months from now, let alone three years from now. If the economy recovers and employment rebounds and housing starts to regain some of its losses, the Republicans are fu(ked, and Rush knows it.
So he has to hope that he’s right and Obama is wrong. He has to hope that the economy falters. If he’s wrong, his ideology and his political allies are in the wilderness for a long time.
May 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmThe basic problem behind the Republican economic philosophy is that they believe the owners “give” jobs to others. They don’t understand that owners “take” from the productivity of their employees, in exchange for providing capital.
Wealth is generated by the working class, not the investment class. The investment class simply benefits more, which is why a progressive tax system is fair.
If you want absolute proof that supply-side economics is complete tripe, simply look at the prohibition of marijuana. We go far beyond simply over-taxing the drug supply, we actively, violently, and at great expense, try to halt supply, and yet, the trade still thrives. Why? Because DEMAND drives an economy, not supply, and there is DEMAND for marijuana.
Absolute PROOF that right wing, supply side economic theory is bunk.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pmAbsolutely right, RantingTommy.
The ultimate result of “supply-side” economics is dampened demand and deflationary pressures.
“Demand-side” economics is a more sustainable principle under which to organize policy because, as you pointed out, it’s DEMAND that drives an economy. It drives innovation, it drives supply, it drives efficiency. All the things Republicans love. And what’s the force that drives demand?
A prosperous middle class. See, there’s the rub for the right-wingers. A prosperous middle class means that the workers are getting some of the wealth that should (in the right-wing mind) rightfully go to the wealthy.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWell, if I had to choose — in terms of being an American — I’d go with anybody I think. My take on it was that Dick had already left his citizenship behind. I didn’t know he (Cheney) was still a American. [...]
May 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pmImportant purpose? Oh, I bet he does.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmI also bet Cheney really dose love him and his soft cheeks – they’d make great cell mates in prison.
Your fatal flaw in logic is assuming Rush has intellect. Rush is an entertainer that needs to fill airtime with mindless rants. His opinions and logic mean NOTHING! He has NOTHING to contribute to society but hate because that is all he has to sell and he has made a very good living doing it!
About the only thing positive I can say about Rush is that he is symbolic of everything that is wrong with America. So he is a good canary in the coal mine but nothing more.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pmCheney also admitted that he admired Heinrich Himmler more than he did Adolph Hitler. “Hitler talked a good story, but Heinrich walked the walk,” Cheney explained, “..kind of like me and George. The real thugs never get enough credit. It’s a sad fact of history.”
May 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pmIf the GOP constituency is wise, they will look carefully at which direction Dick Cheney is veering, and then move very rapidly in the OPPOSITE direction.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm“If the GOP constituency is wise…”
Labman57, that’s a big ‘if’ – they certainly haven’t demonstrated any inkling of wisdom for the last decade or so.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm“Politically” he chooses Limbaugh or Powell. What about when you need a real soldier to do your dirty work?
Chickenshits…..
May 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pmbuckshot was just as ignorant and deadly then as he is now.
an EX-vp loving a fat, nasty, junkie, limpydic, child whore run, lying hot bag of shit. And allowing his club to cherish a sick man who wants the US to fail.
the teabagger repugs aren’t finish stomping the shit out of their widdle club.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmCheeney you are a extremist junk.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pmlocust,
You say no one really knows where the economy is going and therefore makes fools of those who try to predict it.
I disagree, economics is a social science with lots of history and research behind it. And I don’t think Rush Limbaugh would risk making a fool of himself by shouting out uninformed opinions every day.
And eyes, I do believe you have a case of underestimating your opponent.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pmRomartin16985 Says:
In Powell’s folding I see a man concerned with his personal legacy.
And regarding those who cried socialist, they saw that President Obama was saying one thing with the reverberating mic in front of him and another to Joe the Plumber when there was no teleprompter in sight.
When I read this I knew it’s time for you to take the teabags from your throat.
you actually used jtp. you fool.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pmHAHAHAHAHAHA
And I don’t think Rush Limbaugh would risk making a fool of himself by shouting out uninformed opinions every day
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May 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pmOh like those adjustable beds work…
Hey game,
I see you have no comments opposing what I’ve said.
And you seem to have gotten really giggly just thinking about teabags in someone’s throat.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pmRomartin16985 Says:
I disagree, economics is a social science with lots of history and research behind it. And I don’t think Rush Limbaugh would risk making a fool of himself by shouting out uninformed opinions every day.
Comedy gold. He’s been making millions shouting out uninformed opinions for years.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pmgee ro, it seems like the liberals are in control and the fact that the world will be a better place for it just pisses you off.
poor little you
May 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pmranting -
Yeah, thats it. I just want the world to go down the tubes, you’ve figured me out.
Spare us all your drivel.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmaww, poor little ro, still stinging from the last couple of elections cycles
pity that you are so cowardly as to look to the GOP to protect you from overblown threats that the radio and FOX terrorize you with
it must suck to live in fear like that. no wonder you’re such a curmudgeon
May 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pmranting -
You don’t know me, and I sure am glad I don’t know you.
I’m not fearful, you’re bringing emotion into this because you apparently have no
logical argument to make.
Continue ranting……..
May 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pmpsychopaths of a feather flock together!
May 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pmlol, ro, you let the GOP and Cheney terrorize you into supporting policies that are bad for America
obviously you are a chickensh!t little pansy coward, as evidenced by your support for right wing reactionary policy
pity you don’t think America is strong enough to defeat terrorist criminals without resorting to war and torture and ignoring the Constitution
typical republican pansy
May 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pmrant -
You sure don’t know how to take one argument at a time and debate points.
Again, all emotion and you’ve worked yourself up into a frenzy. You’re on the wrong thread if you need to discuss torture.
We were talking about Rush Limbaugh and the economy, if you can find your way back let me know.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pmlol, now ro doesn’t like me using his past cowardice as evidence of his continued cowardice
his ignorance of the economy is amusing, however
May 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pmKeep trying to find that argument. Good luck.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmnow ro pretends he wants a rational argument, which is just more distraction intended to muddy the issue
sorry, clown, since you’re dancing to MY tune, you don’t get to call the dance
May 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pmSo Romartin’s argument seems to be that a) because economics is a social science, economic conditions can be predicted six months ahead of time, and b) that Rush is one of those social scientists who actually knows what’s going to happen.
Why then didn’t he warn the rest of us, including the Bush administration, that the banking system was going to meltdown a few months before a presidential election? Rush clearly sat on his fat ass, with crucial information at his fingertips, and allowed the economy to nose-dive into the worst recession in living memory, surely costing the Republicans the White House and plunging millions into unemployment and homelessness.
Perhaps he should have been waterboarded.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm67 romartin Perhaps you missed the exact quote. Mr. Oxycontin the hipocrite said verbatim that he hoped the president would fail! He didn’t say anything about not liking his policies. That would be a given because our friend Rush is an idealogical wackjob! Get the story straight!
May 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pmYou mean, like, arguing that economic conditions are knowable ahead of time because economics is a social science?
You mean “logical arguments” like that?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pmJohn McCain: “the principles of our party, are as viable today as they have been in the past.”
Principles?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pmRomartin16985 Says:
And regarding those who cried socialist, they saw that President Obama was saying one thing with the reverberating mic in front of him and another to Joe the Plumber when there was no teleprompter in sight.
LOL Even Joe the Plumber left the Republican party.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pmDick would rather hang out with his fellow chicken hawk than the real soldier who helped him get his war on. Demented.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pmOh yes, we’re all going to listen to the advice of the guy who bangs rocks together and screams at trees in the park….John McCain!
May 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pmCheney: As a Republican, I choose Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pmWell, Dick if I had to choose a former republican VP I would choose Dan Quayle over you!
Is anyone really shocked that Dickhead would choose a fellow deferment coward over a former military man ?
May 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pmCheney: As a Republican, I choose Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.
As an American , I choose life imprisonment for you and the rest of the Bush administration for committing war crimes……
May 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pmCheney:
“As a Republican, I am forced to choose the worst option offered”.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pmOur pet roll still fails, utterly, to get the point. The reason why 79% of those polled identify themselves as anything but “Republican” is that the GOoPers have spent a great deal of the last 40 years choosing the worst possible option at all turns.
They have held the White House for 28 of those 40 years and the House and/or Senate for 32. And this culminated in the Bush Administration which, outside that 21% of hardcore zealots, is universally recognized as the worst Presidency in recent history if not ever.
The GOP, the party of stupid trolls, has had every opportunity to prove the validity of their “principles” and failed at all turns. Speaking only for myself, I don’t hate them, I hate their disastrously bad results and insistence on reinforcing their failures despite all evidence presented.
It’s not a right vs. left issue. It’s even gone past right vs. wrong. It’s gotten to the point where the idiots are living in a fantasy world and can’t even see reality. Anyone capable of holding on to the mythological “success” or “nobility” of the GOP simply can’t be trusted to make rational decisions based on facts.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pmSo the two most despised people in America (outside of their little troll villages) are setting up a mutual admiration society? Yippee!
I used to think at least Limbaugh was an evil “genius” to pull in the media attention – and the dollars – he does, but it has become clear with the passage of time that he is not smart. His audience is just that stupid. And being that none of those people was ever going to vote Dem for any reason, I ceased to care what he had to say.
Now, I finally find Rush kind of exciting. The voters who are still in play recoil every time he bloviates, and the fence-sitters move farther away from the GOP. With Dick Cheney’s endorsement, Limbaugh and Company become even more fringe – it’s like Charles Manson getting a thumbs-up from Son of Sam.
In the 90s, the Dems only got to the White House by moving Jesse Jackson out of the way. If the GOP is to ever gain enough credibility to matter again, they will have to stop letting Limbaugh, Cheney, O’Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Beck, Malkin, Dobbs etc., be the face of their party. Sure the party loves ‘em, but all one has to do is look at Congress and the WH to see what the lunatic fringe’s support is doing for them.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pmIf you laid all the economists on the planet end to end they couldn’t reach a conclusions. But that’s fine because Rush has it all figured out according to Romoputz.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pmseslichat
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Is anyone truly surprised at this? I mean look at how many things Cheney and Rush have in common.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=852
May 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pmIt’s just a little ironic that Cheney would not live through fifteen seconds of waterboarding, let alone fifteen minutes. Blood vessels would be popping in his cardio-vascular system within seconds.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pmdoodlebug lame,
Read what you want into my comments about Rush Limbaugh, but I didn’t say he had all of the answers, I said he can’t be called uninformed.
So much attention paid to conservatives and the Republican party when they’re so irrelevant!
May 10th, 2009 at 10:27 pmIs anyone truly surprised that you can’t have a civilized difference of opinion with some liberals, after the attitude expressed by #133?
May 10th, 2009 at 10:30 pmPathetic!!!
May 10th, 2009 at 11:21 pmseslichat
May 10th, 2009 at 11:26 pmsesli chat
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You’re pathetic if thats all you’ve got as far as discussion, or are agreeing with
May 10th, 2009 at 11:31 pmthe vile sentiments of #133.
Colin Powell is way off base and out of touch. The GOP is in trouble because they have not stood up to the Democrats on major issues. Rush Limbaugh is the only voice that keeps the conservatives still glued together. Powell is a huge disappointment and a sell out. For Powell, a soldier who is supposed to uphold the Constitution to support Obama who spit on the Constitution, by REFUSING to show a valid birth certificate of legitimacy for candidacy, clearly violating the Constitution, Powell is a disgrace to the uniform. There are too many balless wonders like Powell in the Republican party that won’t stand up to the corruption in government, is why many Republicans are jumping ship and becoming independent.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:51 pm/facepalm
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Romartin16985 Says:
I see no consistency of belief in Colin Powell supporting President Reagan and now supporting the policies of President Obama.
Best for the republican party to probably not take his advice. I agree with Cheney.
I see no consistency of belief in Dick Cheney supporting the War in Iraq and now decrying the policies of President Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Best for the all parties to probably not take his advice. I disagree with Cheney.
May 11th, 2009 at 4:46 amExcuse my language but, Who gives a flying fluck what Darth thinks?
Oh that’s right, the people who lost care. Fluck em.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:24 amRNDGOF1 Says:
I wonder who’d get pissed if it was pointed out that radical Muslims think Obama serves an important purpose
Where is there any evidence or any statement by any radical Muslim that they favor anything by POTUS Obama? Whereas the Rush claim the Powell only supported Obama because he was Black is surely aligned with the KKK position that Black racism is the real race problem in the USA, not the history of slavery, Jim Crow segregation, and continuing racist behavior by the some powerful Whites against some powerless Blacks.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:14 amThinker one
You are a fcuking idiot.But hey stick around. We need to get that 21% DOWN TO UNDER 10%. And your just what we need to get it done. To the democratic party people like you are the gift that just keeps on giving. Their have to be people around you in your life that hear you talk this way and become a democrat for life. Keep up the good job.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:54 amlocust,
You and Wanda Sykes must be dense.
Limbaugh did not say he hope America fails.
He did not say he hopes more people lose their jobs. He said he hopes Obama fails.
And anyone who thinks what she said is funny has no credibility.
At least try to understand what the man said before foolishly misrepresenting it.
I believe this misunderstanding is because the liberal mind does not separate the success of the country from the success of Obama. They have such unrealistic expectations of government that he can’t fail. If he fails, they fail. There is no difference.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:57 amYou must be dense if you think I’m falling for that straw man.
Limbaugh said he hopes Obama fails:
I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: “Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.” Somebody’s gotta say it.
What I said was that it’s reasonable to extend that sentiment thusly: if the economy recovers, Obama will get the credit. He will succeed.
The fact is, Obama is the President and this nation faces a crisis. His policies are the ones that will be employed to solve the crisis. Therefore, if Obama fails, if his policies fail, the nation will fail because there is no other option.
I never claimed Limbaugh SAID he hopes America fails. But his selfish partisan (and childish) stance on the President’s efforts makes clear that he is willing to see America fail if it means his ideology gets a boost.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:23 pmlocust,
Extend whatever you want, but you’re still mischaracterizing what the man said.
I disagree, if the President’s policies fail, capitalism wins and we will all be better off.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pmWrong. I quoted exactly what the man said. He said he hopes the President fails.
I postulated that the failure of the President’s response to an economic crisis can bring nothing but harm to the nation.
You somehow think that the economic policies of the President can fail and the nation can prosper because of that failure.
Your understanding of economic terms and principles seems far too simplistic to lead to a meaningful discussion, or even to have much to do with reality.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pmWhy do liberals care so much about what Cheney has to say? Move on already. He is no longer the VP. Maybe you should show more concern about the daily gaffes and obtuse remarks made by the Teleprompter, Biden, Gibbs, Hilary, Pelosi, Geithner, Sebelius, Orszag….
May 11th, 2009 at 11:23 pmYes locust, you correctly copied down what Limbaugh said. Where you’re off base is when you move on from there.
Postulate to your hearts content and good luck with that, but when bad economic policies fail, nations win.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:36 pmIt’s almost impossible for me to believe that any thoughtful person would believe that an unregulated free market is a good idea. We are now 10 years into our experiment with it, and the results are obvious. Glass-Steagall was created in 1933 for the purpose of preventing another Great Depression.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:42 amCorrect me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t realize we lived in a socialistic society prior to 1999, when it was repealed.
If the new faces of the Republican party are Boss Limbaugh and Dick Cheney, it will indeed be a long time before they win another election. Peace.
Ralph your post is a cop-out. You have no idea what a “meaningful discussion” is. You’re blinded by your leftist dogma. Misquoting a person is common for you. Half truths are common for you also. Your rely on them so much to make your point. You should be clearer in what you post so people can understand them.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pm