Cheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program
Cheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program
Today on CBS’s Face the Nation, Vice President Cheney vigorously defended the Bush administration’s torture policies and his belief that by rejecting them, President Obama is raising “the risk to the American people of another attack.” Cheney said that the Bush administration’s interrogation policies will one day be viewed as “one of the great success stories of American intelligence.”
When host Bob Schieffer asked Cheney whether he would be willing to testify to Congress under oath, Cheney initially hedged, but then indicated that he would be willing to do so:
SCHIEFFER: Would you go back and talk to the Congress?
CHENEY: Certainly. I’ve made it very clear that I feel very strongly that what we did here was exactly the right thing to do. And if I don’t speak out, then where do we find ourselves, Bob? Then the critics have free run, and there isn’t anybody there on the other side to tell the truth. So it’s important — it’s important that we…
SCHIEFFER: Senator Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, was on this broadcast recently. And I said, do you intend to ask the former vice president to come up? And he said if he will testify under oath. Would you be willing to testify under oath?
CHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting. But certainly I wouldn’t be out here today if I didn’t feel comfortable talking about what we’re doing publicly.
Watch it:
This past week, Cheney tried to portray himself as a type of populist with a responsibility to defend powerless intelligence officials. “I went through the Iran-contra hearings and watched the way administration officials ran for cover and left the little guys out to dry. And I was bound and determined that wasn’t going to happen this time,” he said. Of course, the Bush officials actually implicated in approving torture — David Addington, Jay Bybee, and Alberto Gonzales — were hardly “little.”
Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer has also been a vocal defender of the Bush administration’s policies in recent days, saying, “I’ll be proud to testify if I get a subpoena. I’m proud of what we did to protect this country.”
Transcript:
CHENEY: I think if you look at this intelligence program that when things are quieter, 20 or 30 years from now, you’ll be able to look back on this and say this is one of the great success stories of American intelligence. I think, in fact, what the men and women in the intelligence community and the lawyers in the Justice Department and the senior officials who approved this program did exactly the right thing. I think the charge that somehow there was something wrong done here or that this was torture in violation of U.S. statutes is just absolutely false.
SCHIEFFER: You — you are speaking out. You say you obviously feel passionately about this. How far are you willing to take this approach? Are you willing to go back to the Congress and talk to people in Congress about this? There are all kinds of people talking about various kinds of investigations. Would you go back and talk to the Congress?
CHENEY: Certainly. I’ve made it very clear that I feel very strongly that what we did here was exactly the right thing to do. And if I don’t speak out, then where do we find ourselves, Bob? Then the critics have free run, and there isn’t anybody there on the other side to tell the truth. So it’s important — it’s important that we…
SCHIEFFER: Senator Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, was on this broadcast recently. And I said, do you intend to ask the former vice president to come up? And he said if he will testify under oath. Would you be willing to testify under oath?
CHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting. But certainly I wouldn’t be out here today if I didn’t feel comfortable talking about what we’re doing publicly. I think it’s very, very important that we have a clear understanding that what happened here was an honorable approach to defending the nation, that there was nothing devious or deceitful or dishonest or illegal about what was done.
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CHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting. But certainly I wouldn’t be out here today if I didn’t feel comfortable talking about what we’re doing publicly.
TP: Cheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program
Call me cynical, but I don’t really see these two statements as saying the same thing.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pmCheeney,
May 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pmThe time will come for you to get some justice.
He’ll testify under oath when hannity gets waterboarded for charity…
May 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pmHe’ll testify under oath when harry reid grows a spine…
He’ll testify under oath when his daughter gets married…oh, wait a minute, that’s actually possible…
Cheney will testify under oath when Sean Hannity gets waterboarded for the troops.
Dick(head and Shame Insanity are both monumental cowards.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pmLet’s send him to Iraq and let him take his chances in the justice system we set up for Saddam. Saddam got a fair trial, right?
May 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI wouldn’t get too excited about this. It will never happen…I wish it would. But that is all I can do is wish…
May 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmMaybe he just wants to have his “you can’t handle the truth!” moment.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmAnd all of the Nazi’s and Japanese we prosecuted during WWII all thought what they were doing was good for their countries too. How is it good to break international law just because you need to feel safer? And safe from whom? I almost feel safer counting on the terrorists than the Bush administration. At least you knew what the terrorists were going to do. The Bushies are crazy…
May 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pmYeah right…
Easy to say – rove was gonna testify too. Course, the dems don’t even have the balls to enforce subpoenas – so this talk is cheap.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:29 pmCHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting And I’m guessing that those circumstances would not involve penalties for lying, or no stipulations about the kinds of questions the subjects of questions, or the amount of follow up questions allowed.
But certainly I wouldn’t be out here today if I didn’t feel comfortable talking about what we’re doing publicly.There is a big difference be talking publicly and talking under oath.
I think it’s very, very important that we have a clear understanding that what happened here was an honorable approach to defending the nation, that there was nothing devious or deceitful or dishonest or illegal about what was done</em Notice that he says nothing about us having a clear understanding of the truth, just that everyone gets to hear him say they were honorable and defended the nation. We need to understand that they say they did nothing dishonest or illegal. I this is true, then he should have no problem speaking under oath and he should be willing to go to jail if he lies. But he’s not saying that, is he.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pmI got a quick question. We went 8 years with Cheney, the only time we really heard from him was when he was going to/from the hospitable. Why’s he sooo active in the news now?
May 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pmFormer White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer has also been a vocal defender of the Bush administration’s policies in recent days, saying, “I’ll be proud to testify if I get a subpoena. I’m proud of what we did to protect this country.”___________________ Is there a reason that he would have to “wait” for the subpoena?
May 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pmStratRat Says:
And all of the Nazi’s and Japanese we prosecuted during WWII all thought what they were doing was good for their countries too.
Right on point. It’s not like Hitler sat around saying “BWWAAAAHHHAHAHA! I’m so evil!” He was defending the FATHERLAND. He was protecting the chosen people.
Bin Laden thinks he’s doing god’s work for christ’s sake.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pmIt seem’s like you have to have a complete lack of self awareness to be a conservative these days.
Cheney may call himself a republican…
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=henry_jackson
May 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pmRNDGOF1 Says: I got a quick question. We went 8 years with Cheney, the only time we really heard from him was when he was going to/from the hospitable. Why’s he sooo active in the news now?
I would say ‘damnage’ control =]
May 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pmOur ‘justice’ system is a fcuking joke.
Bonafide torture and war criminals get treated with kid gloves and interviewed on teevee. Subpoenas are ignored, laws ‘relaxed,’ but woe to, say, the ordinary citizen; traffic scofflaw or pot-smoker who will be tossed into jail for years with little provocation.
To quote a wiser man: “Go Fcuk Yourself Mr. Cheney.”
..and I’ll add, along with the self-serving judicial ‘policemen’ that comprise our DOJ. Ironically appropriate that the letters phonetically spell “dodge.”
May 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pmCheney sounds a little delusional to me. He created his own reality by hiring ambulance chasers to write permission slips to torture and has convinced himself that it all okay.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm“Cheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program”
I’m not holding my breath to that. Remember, we are talking about a different Administration in office and not the Sith Administration of 8 years. The last time Dick testified was in the Plame case and he was not under oath. So, his testimony to Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald was really meaningless because he was evasive to Fitzgerald.
Cheney said to Bob: “I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting.” Cheney knows that some member of Congress like Conyers is seething to have him under oath. And Cheney knows he will be dealing with a new DOJ and the new AG Holder and not his lapdog AGs: Ashcroft, Gonzo, and Mukasey.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pmCHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting……………And the idiot steps backward.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pmProud chimes in to say:
May 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pm“I dont care if it’s torture! I’m scared!”
I vote that Cheney has to suck every single one of us off while he testifies. seriously
May 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pmCheney is now trying to scare everybody by alleging that’if we do not torture people ..we will be risking having another attack’.
So, what Cheney is saying: “Get scared…Be scared..”
This is the same Cheney and his cabal that told us that unless we go to Iraq and take over that country…then Saddam will be filling and fueling his rockets with all kind of poisons ready to shoot at us from thousands of miles away,so we better hurry”.
Cheney is the same man who told Tim Russert on NBC ‘Meet The Press’ just few days before the war started in March of 2003 that we ‘will be received by Iraqis as liberators’, with flowers of course. !!
Cheney said the war will be wrapped up in May 2005, because ‘Iraq’s insurgency is in its last throes’.
Rumsfeld,Cheney’s Secretary of defense , also predicted the war in Iraq will be over in few months….add to that Bush’s ‘Mission Accomplished’ slogan, how can anybody trust what Cheney is saying these days that ‘unless we have the so called ‘enhancing techniques’to treat prisoners then we are in deep trouble’ at home. !!
Cheney seems to live in a world of his own.
Everything Cheney said and still saying about wars can easily be contested, by simply using his own words.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pmBy the way torture kept us safe since 9/11. Boy we are bad people.
Yeah, why don’t you ask the thousands of Americans killed and wounded as well as the hundred thousand Iraqui’s who perished about your need to torture. That’s right nimrod YOUR need to torture. You are a pussy and a traitor to the Constitution. STFU.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pmCheney is a liar. He won’t testify. If he will testify he will be lying. Why would he suddenly change now.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pmDick Cheney will testify on the same credibility that has carried him through his pathetic professional life: under loath.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pmHmm .. where is Karl Rove’s deal-stricken conditioned testimony anyway?
May 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmIf you actually studied history instead of watching Faux News for your history, you would find that this nation successfully prosecuted Japanese soldiers for waterboarding prisoners of war in WW2.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmHe watched the Iran-Contra scandal, (where a cabal in the White House secretly dealt with drug dealers and death squad leaders, sold arms to Iran, broke rafts of laws and carefully thwarted democracy in South America as bloody much as possible) and the lesson Cheney learns is hey, those criminals and murderers were the good guys and that spin wasn’t heard enough. Instead they just got away with it.
Really, America will be destroyed by it’s own cynicism if the liars who ran the torture program get to keep their reputations. And so far, Washington continues to fawn over them.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:53 pmProud we broke the enigma code without torture….we also broke the Japanese code.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pmProud is a pussy that just won’t feel safe unless someone is torturing the “bad guys”.
He thinks the terrorists are as big of a pussy as he is and would fear torture so much they wouldn’t DARE mess with us!
May 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pmProud Says:
By the way torture kept us safe since 9/11.
The UN CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Says:
Part 1, Article 2, Clause 2 “No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.“
You lose that argument, Proud.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pmProud, the FBI can get in the mind of a lot of criminals and extract a lot of useful information. Why then do you support the CIA taking over? Are you prone to violence?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm“Sounds just like a typical ill informed” Proud to say that “every soldier is there voluntarily.”
Proud, do you know what “stop-loss” is? Read up on it and see if you say the same thing.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pmProud Says:
the same old things he has said for the last 100+ days, and which have been responded to for the last 100+ days. Is there such a thing as Groundhog Day Syndrome?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pmproud to be a moron,
May 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pmif waterboarding is just “dripping a little water” on someone then why won’t your hero asshat hannity put his money where his mouth is? he’s been offerred a thousand bucks a SECOND.
The question of torture should be disposed of at once. Quite apart from moral and legal considerations, physical torture or extreme mental torture is not an expedient device. Maltreating the subject is from a strictly practical point of view as short-sighted as whipping a horse to his knees before a thirty-mile ride. It is true that almost anyone will eventually talk when subjected to enough physical pressures, but the information obtained in this way is likely to be of little intelligence value and the subject himself rendered unfit for further exploitation. Physical pressure will often yield a confession, true or false, but what an intelligence interrogation seeks is a continuing flow of information.
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so why are we still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan. -=Proud=-
Cause the previous admin lied about a six month war?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pmProud Says:
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Sounds just like a typical ill informed lib nut job. But of course the Savior Bambi has fixed everything hasn’t he, so why are we still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan. He still hasn’t closed Gitmo. He defended wiretapping. Oh my he is maintaining the Bush policies. Also every soldier is there voluntarily, unless you didn’t know that
Being in a particularly foul mood this morning, I will only respond by telling you what you already know: You are a loser. A loser who is so scared, you have no morals, ethics, or sense of history. I would assume home schooling does this, but I do not know. I do know we have no need for your type of Amerikkkan patriotism. Limbaugh and Hannity may need your form of ‘bravery’, but we do not. We need you to die and take your 1950’s mentality of America exceptionalism with you. It is a brave new world out there. Sadly some of us (you) won’t survive. Some of us (you) do not the have the means or intellect to adjust to an ever changing dynamic. Some of us (you) still cling to the notion of Bush the Monarch – standing ready to burn the Constitution and Bill of Rights simply to make you feel safer. As I stated, you are indeed a loser. Have a nice life, sh!thead.
BTW: Happy Mother’s Day to one and all…Call your Mom’s.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pmHe didn’t just watch Iran/Contra proceedings.
link
He’s always wanted to be the man behind the king.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pmspeaking of sad jokes…
May 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pmhey proud to be a moron, when are you enlisting?
Hopefully, if Darth Cheney is compelled to testify under oath to Sen. Leahy’s committee, it will be damming enough for Leahy to order the Capitol Police to immediatley place the War Crimminal in leg irons and be led away for his own “Water Cure” session.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pmWell, that explains it. Dick Cheney is out there lying today about his torture program, because he knows he could never say this crap under oath. See? What an a**!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pmProud,
You are an embarrassment to the American education system. I do not know where you get your facts from, or which dictionary you use to define your terms, but your comments reflect the mind of someone who does not see the world as it really is, but as one who sees it as he would like it to be.
In your world, inhumane treatment of other human beings is completely justifiable. I believe that you are familiar with the expression “You reap what you sow.” (Not the exact Biblical quote but the expression itself, thank you.) And I believe that your savior said something like, “What you do to the least among us, you do to me.”
So, please, explain to all of us how you can be a Christian who follows the teachings of Jesus, an American who believes in the rule of law (and international treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land), AND a decent human being all at the same time, if you believe that torture works and that it saves lives and that is justified?
I think I am not the only one anxious to hear you explain this to us. Thank you.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pmProud Moron says:
Then this means you love, honor, and support President Obama right or wrong, correct? I mean, really, you ninnies went on and on and on under George Bush to us liberals that we had to worship George Bush right or wrong to show our patriotism and to prove we’re not traitors to America! So why aren’t you worshiping President Obama right or wrong? Huh? Please explain yourself, Traitor & Non-patriot!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pmProud Says:
Wayne please give me a link which shows how many of the troops deployed overseas have been drafted. Let me help you, the number is 0.
STOP LOSS, Proud. I told you to read up on it. I NEVER said, or implied, that anyone was “drafted.”
If you aren’t going to debate this subject honestly, and if you’re going to resort to your usual tactics of discussion, then we’re through for the day.
Read up on “Stop Loss” and tell me again that everyone over there “volunteered.”
May 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pmMay 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
proud moron,
kind of hard to leave the service when you sign up for a four year stint then they use the back door draft to keep you in. by the way, if sign up and retention rates were so good why did 43 have to raise the sign up age to 42 and lower the I.Q. requirements?
and proud, served what? as a greeter at wal-mart?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pmRemember I am not a lib, I did serve.
So, Limbaugh and Cheney, and the other chicken hawks, are libs?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pmLt. Gen. Victor Krulak (1913-2008): “I never got enthusiasm out of war, and I’m convinced that the true pacifists are the professional soldiers who have actually seen it.”
No, Proud, you didn’t serve.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pmthe only thing proud “served” was a bunch of talking points on blogs
May 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pmAccording to proud, ’stop loss’ means you stopped at an intersection and then lost your cookies.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pmso, proud moron
May 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pmaccording to you, nancy pelosi should have done what if she did know? release classified information to the press?
Wars are a scam -Gen Smedley Butler
May 10th, 2009 at 4:24 pmCheney’s oath?
What planet are you folks from?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhat was republican Denny Hastert, Speaker of the House under George Bush, saying about the Regime’s torture program? And what did he do to stop the war crimes? Did he ever demand his republican controlled committees to investigate the Bush Regime at any time when he had the power to do so?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThe lieing pig says he cares about the little guys, then why did he not stick up for the soilders who followed his orders and are now in military jail and got a dishonor discharge, I also served, and if you did not follow orders you would be in jail, where he chaney should be.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pmProud, another thing, if you actually served in the military and took acquiring knowledge seriously, you’d know that much logistical red tape entails ending a major military operation. Only your kind has made President Obama out to be a magic wand god when all we were looking for was a competent leader.
As for Afghanistan, I want to know more about what we will be doing there. I’m looking more for a special-ops focus more than a scattered open-ended commitment.
Notice how Bush didn’t care for setting a timetable to stop the bloodshed until he was about to leave office, as if to give voters the illusion that there was no point in hiring a democrat to succeed him because he finished the quagmire himself.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pmBe patient, Cheney, you’ll be indicted eventually. :P
May 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pmProud never served in the military. In fact, most neocons online pretend to be two things:
A veteran
Wealthy
So laughable!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThe irony here is that none of the Neocon war cabal members have seen any real war, but no other groups love to talk about torutring,invading other countries and wars more than than they do.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI can accept the torture of….. wait, scratch that, I can’t. I hope Cheney does testify under oath. I feel like I need to hear some explanation on how this happened. I’m sure everyone has feelings on how far interrorgations should go, but lets face it, if it is torture, then as a whole, we can’t condone it. We shouldn’t condone it ever, not because of who did it, or what UN group is saying its wrong, but simply because each of us knows that IT IS Wrong.
I don’t think PROUD is saying “torture people to make me feel safe’ either. He’s caught in the loop of end-justifies-means. And thats an easy trap to fall into. Untill those means become applied to him. If we support goverment torture, and terror methods of getting info, then we all have to worry that one day it could be applied to us. That scares the hell outta me.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm“I guess Pelosi had no problem with it and she is one of your lib stars.”
Once again, Proud demonstrates the symptoms of Groundhog Day Syndrome. I believe that I speak for all of ‘libs’ when I say that NONE of us wanted or had any say in Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. From day 1 of the 110th Congress, we have bemoaned her ascension to Speaker quite vociferously on this blog. So enough with your bullshit about libs loving Nancy Pelosi, if you had any reading comprehension or working memory you would know that it’s a lie. And I believe that, if Nancy Pelosi is complicit in the illegal torture program, all of us libs would want to see her held accountable along with everyone else involved.
Stop being so willfully and woefully ignorant.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pmReagan’s DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff for Waterboarding Prisoners
Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case – which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later – was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pmAccording to Wanda Sykes at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner…Sean Hannity would consider flying coach in the middle seat as torture! How true. But yet, Hannity won’t submit to being waterboarded to support the troops, even though he and his Retarded Brigade believe that waterboarding is cinchy to go through. By the way, Hannity did say he’d WRITE A CHECK TO CHARITY instead of being tortured. What a hero Hannity is! Spit.
Oh, but if one of our soldiers was captured and tortured by being waterboarded 183 times in a month, ole Hannity would be outraged! Isn’t that right, A**hole?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
Reagan’s DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff for Waterboarding Prisoners
Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case – which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later – was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pmMay 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
(oops…hit Submit before commenting at #70! Please delete #70, TP)
For decades, Americans have known that waterboarding is torture. The only people who do not think waterboarding is torture are the 20% who represent the current republic party and those who support Hitler. Other than that, a good portion of us know that waterboarding is torture!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pmYou guys are cracking me up for giving me two thumbs up for comment #70! By the way, Megaloptera McWars, thanks so much for posting the info! I was good to repeat it, for sure. ;-)
May 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmIf waterboarding is just pouring a little water on their face why did they have to rewrite their “legal” memos so that a doctor had to be present for an emergency tracheotomy. Maybe because it’s not just pouring water on their face?
Also if all of these things they did aren’t torture, and Cheney is so concerned about the little guy. Why didn’t he speak up when the soldiers at Abu Ghraib were prosecuted for the methods that were described in the legal memos. We have troops who were just following orders in prison for what Cheney ordered.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmThat was worth repeating, Kay! Maybe if good points are posted three or four times, the trolls will have no choice but to stumble upon them!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmExactly Megaloptera McWars! Definitely worth repeating.
By the way trolls, how come you’re not defending Ronnie Reagan’s DOJ for defending waterboarding as torture and being illegal? Huh?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmWater boarding a terrorist is not the same thing as water boarding a soldier.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThe Geneva Convention spoke to soldiers and not terrorist. You the unprincipled left are not even willing to fight for your country because you do not believe in freedom unless someone else is paying the ultimate price with their very lives.
So for you to attack those that kept us safe for 8 years is true hypocrisy.
For those of you attacking Hanity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent.
stormn00007 Says:
Storm, since you’ve been (mis)quoting the bible in order to support your views on the DADT thread, can you tell us where in the bible Jesus okays torture?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pmO.K. I’ll bite. The “success” in recruitment can be explained by
and can explain
lowering recruitment standards
a high rate of desertion
a high rate of suicide
May 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pmAnd the moral waiver
Add the terrible economy that needs no links.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pmSo does that mean that it’s torture or not depending on the subject?
And you call us “unprincipled”? That’s a joke.
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Oh, wait, I just read the rest of your comment. Never mind. You’re not worth the effort to rebut.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pmHarry Reid knows Darth Cheney is guilty as Cheney publicly said himself many times. Cheney will lie under oath and right now Cheney is scared as hell because there are more secrets that will soon come out. The worse cover up done by Bush/Cheney is that Bid Laden died before 9/11 or shortly after and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. His name was used for the Bush Administration to conplete their plan. Now the Bush Administration knew Osama was ill when his Family met in New York meeting of the Caryle Group. Many Foreign Leaders know this and the US Press and Media have been feeding the Bush lies for 8 years.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pmCHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting.
There is NO PRECEDENT so this bast*rd KNOWS he ABSOLUTELY SAFE in his statement.
And if I don’t speak out, then where do we find ourselves, Bob?
If we the people are all LUCKY, he will find himself in a ‘prison hellhole somewhere overseas’ or ‘hanging at the end of a rope’!
WHY DOESN’T THIS BAST*RD [ALONG WITH THE OTHERS INVOLVED] HAVE ANY DECENCY? These people are AMORAL and have no CONSCIENCE OR COMPASSION. POWER AND MONEY is ALL they FEEL for life or anyone in life!
May 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmlook out stormn, there’s terrorists under your bed!
o wait, no, that’s just Hannity on TV scaring you into voting against your best interests
FOX “news” is a terrorist organization, but terrorism only works on the terrified
May 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmO/T
For those of you with the benefit of high-speed internet, here’s something from SNL sure to make you laugh/cringe.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/digital-short-motherlover/1099491/
May 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pmRalph, you should see his comments at the tail end of the ‘Obama sends handwritten note to gay soldier’ thread. ;)
May 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pmSo for you to attack those that kept us safe for 8 years is true hypocrisy.
For those of you attacking Hanity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent.
Oh goody, another pussy and traitor. Geez, what do you fools work in pairs? Shithead, this is easy. We USED to be better than this. We were better than this when saint Ronnie was Preznit. Has the Bush administration made this country so pussified that we have to shed our own standards to make the Limbaugh rightside feel safe?
How about this traitor, take that other lightweight (Proud to be a pussy) and bend over for Limbaugh and Hannity. Both served their countries, right? Both advocate adhering to our core Constitutional beliefs, right? Both have put their bodies on the line for America, right? Seems to me you fit right in to the WATB crowd. If you have nothing to offer this country except fear and worship for Limbaugh, split, GO! Good, solid Americans do not need you or your kind. God forbid you have any children. I can only imagine their disappointment in you when the learn you would turn the country upside down simply because you are either scared or a sychophant to the other losers on the right side. Your children may be watching the biggest loser they have encountered so far – and it is YOU. You must feel a sense of joy knowing your citizens and children think you are frightened of 13th centruy warriors living in tents somewhere.
Why don’t you and Proud get a room somewhere?
May 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmstormn00007 Says:
The Geneva Convention spoke to soldiers and not terrorist.
That is a lie. The Geneva Conventions covered everyone who was picked up on a battlefield. And one of the things it guaranteed those picked up was a hearing to determine what their status was – were they “prisoners of war”, “innocent civilians”, “enemy combatants”?
You the unprincipled left are not even willing to fight for your country because you do not believe in freedom unless someone else is paying the ultimate price with their very lives.
Like many of my fellow posters here, I have served in the military. You like to insinuate that because we are liberal, we would not be willing to put our lives on the line for our country. This is insulting, to say the least. A lie, to say the worst.
So for you to attack those that kept us safe for 8 years is true hypocrisy.
I’ll repeat this, since you missed it on other comments. The ends do not justify the means. This country exists because of something called the Constitution of the United States. I’m guessing you’ve heard of it, though you speak as though you never have. It requires our president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” President Bush was not “faithfully” executing the law when he tried to find ways to justify torture.
For those of you attacking Hanity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent.
Wrong again. It was Hannity who, in an immature attempt to dismiss the harshness of waterboarding, volunteered to have himself waterboarded for charity. So far, he has reneged on that offer. We are doing something called “holding him to account.” Again, being the Bush supporter that you are, you clearly do not believe in that, either.
I’m sorry. Normally I do not like to be so disrespectful of someone who holds a different viewpoint, but yours is obviously not an informed one. I can respect an informed opinion that differs from mine. I can even change my own mind if I am shown that my own thinking is in error or based on false information. But I will not respect an uninformed opinion. And yours is woefully uninformed, and quite probably willfully, as well.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmProud Says:
He will testify and he and the Bush Admin will be vindicated. If you actually studied history instead of watching MSNBC for your history you would find that dripping a little water on a terrorist is nothing compared to what the Germans and Japanese did to pows in WWII. The worst thing we did to any detainee is feed them too well, the average detainee gained 20lbs+ during captivity. And I guess it was criminal that we provided them world class healthcare. By the way torture kept us safe since 9/11. Boy we are bad people.
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news flash:
japan and germany lost the war.
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if you spent more time studying history instead of sucking dick
cheney, you’d know that.
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May 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmCan Cheney please explain how torture could have prevented 9/11.
May 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pmReally? So no individuals on the planet consider our soldiers to be the enemy or a terrorist, especially after the president lies our country into invading a sovereign nation, such as Iraq, and then occupies it?
Really?
Are you sure about that? If I remember correctly, Americans were tortured & beheaded in Iraq, UNTIL AFTER WE INVADED.
And can you explain why George Bush did not sign the International Criminal Court treaty in early 2001? Huh? Bill Clinton signed it and didn’t order the torture of anyone nor did he have his underlings at his DOJ define what is NOT considered torture. George Bush didn’t sign this treaty, but yet, there he was allowing 9/11 happen (along with Cheney!) and then having his DOJ in 2002 well before we invaded Iraq to define what is NOT torture………..and voila!……..waterboarding & other crimes were committed!
Care to explain?
May 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pmTorture/Waterboarding has not resulted in the capture of Osama bin Laden. You would think this information would have been the most valuable to learn! Ahhhhh, but you know what that means….the next 9/11 on our nation will be blamed on George Bush for not getting Osama, just like you neocons blamed Bill Clinton for 9/11/01, because he didn’t get Osama either!
Oh boy.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm“If I remember correctly, Americans were tortured & beheaded in Iraq, UNTIL AFTER WE INVADED.”
Meant to say:
“If I remember correctly, Americans were NOT tortured & beheaded in Iraq, UNTIL AFTER WE INVADED.”
May 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pmstormn00007 Says:
Water boarding a terrorist is not the same thing as water boarding a soldier.
The Geneva Convention spoke to soldiers and not terrorist. You the unprincipled left are not even willing to fight for your country because you do not believe in freedom unless someone else is paying the ultimate price with their very
lives.
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The Geneva Conventions spoke about HUMAN BEINGS be they soldiers or terrorists. Furthermore, America is supposed to have a MORAL COMPASS – something I doubt you know the meaning of. Moreover, did YOU PERSONALLY go onto the field and take a concensus of the soldiers to determine how many were NeoCons and how many were Progressives? I didn’t think so. So until you have the numbers, get over yourself because you can’t back up your statements without facts.
Storm also says:
For those of you attacking Hanity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent. You seem to be saying that the military was compromised of ONLY RETARDS, and we ALL know that’s a load!
We now see exactly the source you gather your information and just knowing it comes from FAUX SNOOZE tells any of us you don’t have a clue, so don’t bother to post anything since we all know it’s crap. As for your hero hanity, he another LOUD MOUTH BLOW HARD who has probably been living on the ‘down low’ with Limpballs and the rest of that disgusting crowd.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSure– the same way Hannity is willing to be waterboarded. Liars.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI have a dream:
Cheney is convicted of lying under oath about torture on the very same day Sean Hannity—having finally agreed to be waterboarded for charity—springs bolt upright, coughs, gasps for air, and yells, “I was wrong! Yes, yes, it is torture.”
May 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pmHas it ever occurred to you people that testifying under oath usually implies immunity? And if no immunity, do you think any Bush admin people would ever testify? In fact, that might just be the entire game plan of Cheney – immunity to be able to say yes to torture. I would rather if he tesified before a judge under a subpoena.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pmStorm also says:
May 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pmFor those of you attacking Hanity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent.
Good Lord, “Storm”, you are so ignorant. Hannity attacks people- politicians (Democrats), women, black people, young peoplke — every night! Every bloody night! Hannity yells, screams, cuts off mikes, talks over his invited guests, invites racists & bigots on his show & lets them spew their hatred— and you call us immature & adolescent? Apparently Hannity is one of your idols, & he’s a hateful, ill-informed, racist jerk. But all that makes sense when we read your ludicrous posts. Oh, by the way, learn to spell your honey’s (Hanity’s) name, you goof.
Cheney is a frightened sick old little man who thinks the world is out to get him. And the thing of it is… he might be right…
(“Waterboard not…lest ye be waterboarded…”)
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May 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pmIAmNotHere Says:
Has it ever occurred to you people that testifying under oath usually implies immunity? And if no immunity, do you think any Bush admin people would ever testify?
What??? I think you’re confused.
Actually, testifying under oath on condition of immunity usually implies that the witness has committed crimes for which he does not wish to implicate himself. And immunity is usually given under under condition that the witness will give truthful testimony. Even if Cheney is given some kind of immunity before testifying under oath (and I see no way that Sen Leahy will let that happen), he still has to tell the truth even if it helps convict others. If it turns out he lies while testifying with immunity, the immunity is off and he can be prosecuted for perjury. (And the testimony can be used against him because he broke his end of the deal.)
I do agree that Cheney will never testify under oath. People like Cheney (meaning criminals who think themselves above the law) do not like to testify under oath because they think they’re going to be “tricked” into revealing testimony that could land them in jail. And that’s because they’ve done something that warrants putting them in jail. Not that they connect the two in their minds.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pmIAmNotHere Says:
In fact, that might just be the entire game plan of Cheney – immunity to be able to say yes to torture. I would rather if he tesified before a judge under a subpoena.
If he were granted immunity for his testimony, it would only mean that he could not be prosecuted for the crimes he admits to committing while under oath. It would not make what he did legal. I hope that’s not how you understand it.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pmDoes the average citizen under any circumstance get to decide if he’ll testify under oath or not? Let Cheney take the 5th if he so chooses not to answer certain questions. Let’s waive his right to claim executive privilege at the same time to cut his escape route off, though. Now once and for all of history let the chips fall where they may complete with pictures of dead suspected terrorists. Is he quilty of being an acessory to murder? Cheney sets up an ambigious scenario and thinks Dems will go for it. He should not be allowed to set the terms for his own indictment. America deserves better than to have this man try himself under his terms in the court of public opinion.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pmProud Says:
“what the Germans and Japanese did to pows in WWII.”
That’s beautiful Mr. Proud, I want our country compared to Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire, so we can say, “oh, we’re not so bad after all.” Are you retarded?
“The worst thing we did to any detainee is feed them too well, the average detainee gained 20lbs+ during captivity.”
Okay, let’s just conveniently forget about torturing people and giving our country a black eye for a generation. That was Bin Laden’s best recruiting tool you jolt! Bin Laden could spread the truth about America torturing Muslims and it’s not even propaganda. Were you born stupid, or were you dropped on your head as a child?
“And I guess it was criminal that we provided them world class healthcare.”
Mr. Proudly dysfunctional, isn’t it amazing that terrorists and criminals can have world class health care, while 45 million innocent Americans cannot, because your republican party has stopped every piece of progressive legislation regarding health care for the past 45 years. (Yes, repugs were no different back then, and tried their best to prevent elderly tax paying Americans, who worked their whole lives and were older than 65 from having medicare.)
“By the way torture kept us safe since 9/11. Boy we are bad people.”
Amazing! 9-11 happens on your Bozo President’s watch, but that’s okay, we only got hit once while he was reading My Pet Goat, instead of his Presidential Daily Briefs, which warned him that Bin Laden was determined to stike the United States and included the use of commercial airplanes.
Try to read sometime rather than listening to some fat bastard chicken hawk on the radio or watching a former Vice President/Corporate Criminal explain the virtues and values of torturing the living hell out of someone. (By the way, it doesn’t work!)
May 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI’m convinced that Cheney wants nothing less than the legalization of torture, and sanctions for executive privilege.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pmCHENEY : ” I am willing to testify.
Ari is willing to testify”.
SCHIFFER : What’s that supposed to mean..?
CHENEY : “Bob, that means we are starting another
May 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm‘Coalition Of The Willing”.
Total BS. Cheney never in his life stood up the the little guy. When he says little guy, he means the lawyers that made up memos that were supposed to give him cover. Or for Scooter Libby who knew where he buried the legal bodies.
He certainly does not mean the military that carried out the orders of his and Bush, that now live in the military gray bar hotel. Not the officers of course but the grunts. I love the term “may be willing.” Translated this means with immunity that covers all that he did. It means he can wrap himself in the cloak of secrecy. It means no matter what this idiot has said since he left office, which has been plenty nearly everyday. If he were not so arrogant he could not listen to advice, some lawyer would have told him what any lawyer would, keep your mouth shut.
Every time he says Obama is going to get us hit again, he is hoping. He hopes because he can then say, see I told you so. He hopes we get hit alright. But he forgets our hit was on his time in office. And succeeding mistakes and stupidity will make it more, not less likely that we will be hit. No matter who is in office. And our military will be tortured too, thanks to him.
I wonder what bunker Cheney will hide in this time? No one saw him for nearly two weeks after 9/11. 9/11 was on the Bush watch. This mound of a sociopaths indicators, this nasty piece of work, this man with no conscience. It is not often two such people meet and gravitate toward each other. Two men that feed the sickness of the other. But it happens. And when they head the government, it is tragic.
I remember the one time we had Bush and Cheney before congress they did it as twins joined at the hip. Together only. Each one making sure to know what the other said so they could make their lies fit. No grand jury in the world would have allowed such a thing. But congress did.
As for recruitment and retention. For the gentleman that served. I thank you for your service. And I thank the liberals that served. And if we had not invaded illegally it might have been better.
Recruitment and retention are highest when there are bad economic times. And are you looking at the military suicide rate? It is horrific. Unless we are attacked or have a vested interest nationally for our safety etc. War is failed foreign policy when used first as an objective. It is supposed to be a last resort when all else fails.
Conservative or liberal I am grateful to any man or woman who puts everything on the line to serve. We have always been lucky to have those willing to do this. But the war was illegal and the torture and the deaths resulting from the torture will be our shame.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pmOf course in the real world, Cheney is contemplating stealing the heart from a younger, healthier man. He’s as likely to testify as he is to give birth.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pmlinkwray Says:
Let Cheney take the 5th if he so chooses not to answer certain questions. Let’s waive his right to claim executive privilege at the same time to cut his escape route off, though.
The right to invoke the Fifth Amendment only applies if you do not wish to give testimony that could incriminate yourself (or compel you to be a witness against yourself). It does not apply to questions that you don’t feel like answering. If the answer Cheney might give under oath implicates anyone other than himself, he cannot refuse to answer based the Fifth.
And he would have a hard time claiming Executive Privilege anyway. He was not the president who is the only one who can claim EP. He can only claim EP if he is asked about a conversation he had with the president himself. He cannot claim EP to avoid answering questions about conversations with anyone else. And if he insists that he cannot answer a question about a conversation authorizing the use of torture because of EP, then the only way that would be allowed is if Bush was in the room at the time that conversation took place.
Not to mention the fact that Cheney has claimed he is not part of the Executive Branch as a way of getting around laws that apply to that branch. That was just one of many violations of his constitutional oath of office.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pmCheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program
Yeah……………Just as soon as I win the lottery…….
May 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pmstormn00007 at #76 says:
>>>>Water boarding a terrorist is not the same thing as water boarding a soldier.
Who sells you that canned parrot poop…Glenn Beck…?
>>>>The Geneva Convention spoke to soldiers and not terrorist.
The Geneva Conventions speak to: the wounded, civilians, the shipwrecked and POWs.
BTW — It’s “Geneva Conventions”… plural. (There were four of them.)
Even the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Common Article III of the Conventions — prohibiting “violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture…” etc. “ … outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment…” — applies to all detainees, for example, those held at Gitmo.
Furthermore, there are all sorts of other relevant international laws and treaties e.g. the U.N. Convention against Torture.
Bush, Cheney and their henchmen sooner or later must face the music.
>>>>You the unprincipled left are not even willing to fight for your country because you do not believe in freedom unless someone else is paying the ultimate price with their very lives.
Makes you wanna scream, don’t it…?
>>>>So for you to attack those that kept us safe for 8 years is true hypocrisy.
8 years? You’re forgetting one little thing…9/11…!
>>>>For those of you attacking Hannity get a life. You are acting immature and adolescent.
Well…better immature and adolescent than decrepit and brain-dead…
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May 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pmcurious,
May 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pmVery well said.
When and if Cheney shows up to testify, I hope the orange jumpsuit and shackles will be prepared for him.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pmHe’s talking directly to the percentage of Americans who don’t know the history of our rejection of torture and who, via fantasy and movies, imagine they can just impose their will on someone else by sheer force. It’s a fantasy that has moved millions in the past, but someone needs to educate the American public far better about these matters.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pmWith regard to Cheney’s claim that he would be willing to testify under oath concerning the treatment of detainees, I’ll only repeat what I said when Ari Fleischer made the same claim. Three words are all that is really needed…
TALK IS CHEAP.
Personally, after having watched the Bush administration lie to the American people for eight years, I wouldn’t trust anything that Cheney might have to say — even under oath. The man strikes me as being a classic example of a sociopath, and sociopaths are able to lie without experiencing any guilt or remorse whatsoever. I will only believe that Cheney is willing to testify when I see him physically appear in a court room or Congressional chamber — not before then. Even if he should choose to appear, I’m inclined to suspect that the only answer he will be prepared to offer is “I plead the Fifth Amendment” — which would be a savage irony indeed, considering the fact that his actions and those of other Bush administration officials clearly demonstrated that they saw themselves as entitled to disregard the Constitution whenever it suited them.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pmCheney (Chainy) May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program.
Handjob-ity is open to being water-boarded for charity
I’m open to a frontal lobotomy
May 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pmThe similarity is all three ain’t gonna happen.
Next issue ……
To the idiot with the moniker ‘Proud’
If you studied history you would know that we threw the Japanese who waterboarded our soldiers during WWII in prison. I suppose we should contact the families of these Japanese soldiers and apologize for falsely imprisoning them because according to the Bush crime syndicate waterboarding is legal.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pmBy the way Proud, this isn’t about what the Japanese or Germans did during WWII. It is what we’ve done during this phony, perpetual war on terrorism. We are a Nation of morals and standards. We do not forget these morals or lower our standards to the level of our enemy. We should and must be above that. This is what made our country unique.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pmTo all you self righteous Republicans:
You’re all chicken shit! Afraid of some terrorist boo hoo! I laugh at Bin Laden and his ilk as much as I laugh at you right wingers. Scared all the time…go buy some duct tape seal your house! Don’t you guys ever get tired of shitting in your pants as a result of being afraid all the time?
Pathetic.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pmCheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program.
When pigs fly and I haven’t seen Lush Rimbaugh sprout any wings recently.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pmSo how is Lyndie Englund doing Dick?
May 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pmDick Cheney made sure 9/11/01 went smoothly that morning. He should be jailed just for this!
May 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pmlaworder Says:
To all you self righteous Republicans:
You’re all chicken shit! Afraid of some terrorist boo hoo! I laugh at Bin Laden and his ilk as much as I laugh at you right winger
They’re one in the same laworder: both groups want to impose their strict religious world view on us, both want to return to a pre-modern world where women are second class citizens, both hate America’s freedoms, and both believe that the ends justifies the means.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pmI agree laworder!!
The repigs talk tough but are yellow cowards who hide underneath their beds and soil themselves at the thought of scary brown skinned men coming to kill them and all of their children.
They are willing to throw away our laws, our liberties, our freedom, our constitution and all the good that our country stands for just so they feel safe and secure. They are truly the biggest cowards that have ever lived.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pmTo: KayinMaine;
Your comment, “Dick Cheney made sure 9/11/01 went smoothly that morning. He should be jailed just for this!”
I’m not one for conspiracies on 9-11. Besides lets face it, if the incredibly incompetent bush Jr/cheney administration was behind 9-11, the planes would never have gotten off the ground…they would have forgot to fuel them before take off.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pmThe Taliban verses the American Taliban, the only difference is the color of their skins and that the Taliban is willing to die for their religious beliefs…the American Taliban, not so much. They would rather send others to fight and die for their religious beliefs.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:46 pm*waving to Uncle Fester Lurks*!
May 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pmWell, that’s mighty white of old Darth.
*eyes rolling*
Call the Hague, quick!!
May 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pmlaworder, when you look at all of the facts and the probability of the many things that took place on and before 9/11, calling it a conspiracy just doesn’t cut it anymore.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Our ‘justice’ system is a fcuking joke.
Bonafide torture and war criminals get treated with kid gloves and interviewed on teevee. Subpoenas are ignored, laws ‘relaxed,’ but woe to, say, the ordinary citizen; traffic scofflaw or pot-smoker who will be tossed into jail for years with little provocation.
I got a ticket once for JAYWALKING that cost me more than Darth Cheney will *ever* have to cough up for HIS crimes.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pmHow serious was the Bush administration on terrorism? They like to claim how tough they were on terrorism yet days before 9/11 they were going to cut the DOJ’S anti-terrorism budget and actually reversed the Clinton administrations strong emphasis on counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence. But you will never hear this being reported on the Fox entertainment channel.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pmCheney May Be Willing To Testify Under Oath About Torture Program
He won’t be so coy, standing in the dock at The Hague.
Must really suck getting up each morning with the knowledge that the only way you’ll escape eventual conviction as a war criminal is if you die first.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pmSo, according to you Dick Cheney was not able to give a simple command of (paraphrasing), “Send the F-16s over the Atlantic because that’s where the hijacked planes are”, which sent the planes in the opposite direction? Are you serious? You don’t think with over 3 decades of government/CIA/Pentagon ties under his belt, he wouldn’t have the first clue in how to make sure the attack he wanted (to get into Iraq with) went smoothly? Especially with his long time pal, Donald Rumsfeld at the helm at the Pentagon, you know, the Pentagon that is the hub of our military, who didn’t see the big commercial airliner coming towards it, and the same plane that hit the one part of the Pentagon that was under construction?
The Bush Regime was incompetent in coming up with exit strategies and in protecting Americans finances. Other than that, there WERE NO ACCIDENTS. All planned & orchestrated with all “i’s” dotted and “t’s” crossed.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pmDick cheney is sooo lucky that MSM + Republican Party = BFF.
If cheney can get the MSM to back him up anything is possible!
Look what cheney and the MSM did together with the last eight years. They’re just getting started with the next eight years, if they can get away with it.
May 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pmGotta love the
War Pigs
May 10th, 2009 at 7:01 pmYou know, I love this country but sometimes it’s hard to imagine what a bunch of hypocrites live among us.
Reagan pulls off this Iran/Contra scam, selling arms to the known terrorist State of Iran, then taking the profits to run an illegal war that killed and maimed tens of thousands of innocent people in Central America.
The Republicans to this day believe Reagan walks on water. The guy was an actor who played the role of a lifetime, that’s it and that’s all there’s to it. For 8 long years he was lousy president.
Bush/Cheney invade Iraq after 9-11, which is the equivalent of invading Mexico after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The whole fiasco was nothing but lies based upon lies, that killed over a 100,000 innocent Iraqis, half of which included women and children. All those brave maimed and dead American soldiers, but Bush and Cheney walk away unscathed, legends in their own minds. For 8 long years this country lost its creditability, committed war crimes and treated our Constitution like toilet paper.
President Clinton has a tryst with some immature silly bimbo girlfriend. Ken Starr blows no less that $70,000,000 (that’s right folks Seventy Million dollars) and the House and Senate Republicans did all they could to have him impeached.
What’s wrong with this picture?
May 10th, 2009 at 7:01 pm@130 barfly Says:
I bet he thinks the American citizenry will still great him with bunches of roses once he establishes his new world order. “They’ll see”. “They’ll all thank me in the end” he says. “They don’t know what’s good for them” he says. If only his brain was a bit bigger…
May 10th, 2009 at 7:02 pm.
What if we just torture it out of him? Do it on TV. Have Kiefer Sutherland attach battery cables to Dick’s withered old huevos. If it’s on the tee-vee, and done by a Canadian, in an emergency, I think it’s legal, isn’t it? Let’s do it and find out. Where’s that judge guy with the rubber stamp?
And what about your Mom? Why are you torturing HER? LAST-MINUTE MOTHER’S DAY GIFTS!
May 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm.
To Kay in Maine;
Read the 9-11 commission report, it’s actually very thorough, but obviously for political reasons doesn’t place any blame on anyone in particular.
Of course, I also believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy. I came to the this conclusion after reading Gerald Posner’s CASE CLOSED Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK.
P.S. Just for the record, I was absolutely convinced that the mob murdered JFK prior to reading Posner’s book.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:11 pmWow, I’m not sure how to take all this. I think torture should never be applied. Got that? NEVER. I think the people who knew, and allowed: and the ones who ordered: and the ones who actually tied people up and commited the torture should all be put on trail for their actions. That being said, Laworder, your lumping up of all Republicans in the same boat is the kind of thinking that led for people to be tortured to start with. There’s still a few decent Republicans out there, just seems they’re not the ones in the spotlight for some reason. There’s a Justice system in place for those that commit crimes of any kind. lets see where it takes us.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pmCheney – Tribal Chief. He will proudly wear his Republicani cap and feathers and defy the world.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:20 pmTo: RNDGOF1,
The fact is that the Republican party as you know it, no longer exists. It has been hijacked by the neo-conservative hard-right wingers. It’s unfortunate and hard to believe, but our country came dangerously close to becoming a police state. You can’t say you love your country but hate your government, when it is ran by President Obama. Where are the moderates of the Republican Party? My God, My God, listen to what former Vice President Cheney boasts about to the general public…his defense of torture. Defending torture, incredible. That is just a sliver of the legacy of the Bush Administration.
There is no defense for torture and never will be.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pmI am absolutely convinced that Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, the PNACers, George H.W. Bush (had years of business relationships with the bin Ladens and did nothing to quell al-Qaida from 1980-February 1993!)…..were all involved with 9/11/01. Osama hired the kamikazes, right wingers in America housed them, and then on the morning of 9/11, Cheney made sure the 4 planes in the sky doing circles were not intercepted or interrupted! See? It all makes sense. I will go to my grave believing this.
The 9/11 Commission Report had some good info in it, but other than that, it was the “we don’t want to dig too deeply for fear of what we will find” edition!
May 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pmOur fathers fought against people who believed in torture in WWI.
No American would ever even need to discuss it.
It’s evil so America doesn’t do it.
Period.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI disagree. Who’s interested in them? If they were ordered to do it then it’s those giving the orders we need to worry about.
If anything leverage the “threat” of prosecution against them to garner their testimonies. It’s not the soldiers we need to be focusing on. Going after the soldiers is what the Bush administration did to distract people from going after themselves.
We need to show the world that America is still America.
Not “Nazi Germany “lite”.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:48 pmsesli chat
May 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pmsesli sohbet
If we go after the soldiers then those responsible will likely escape scrutiny. In WWII (typo earlier) we liberated the camps, and hung or imprisoned the scum at the top who were responsible. We let many of the lower ranking soldiers go in exchange for their testimonies, so we could get the big fish. The ones really responsible.
I watched Schindler’s list today (nice Mother’s day activity I know) and I cannot say how much I feel that that movie and the history of the Deathcamps should be REQUIRED STUDY for all school children 13 and above.
It’s time to end this debate. It’s time to take the news casters who say stupid things like “does torture work?” and …”should we torture to keep safe” out and tar and feather them and run them out of town on a rail. It’s time for America to end this debate once and for all.
We are not going to be lulled to sleep or worse, scared into becoming scaled down versions of the Germans who lived outside of Auschwitz-Birkenau and said “gee…we thought they were burning rubbish” by the likes of men like Dick Cheney, and Yoo. We’re not going to go quietly into that dark night again, and we’re not going to let them get away with trying to take us there. It ends here. It ends now. America is turning from this and I believe Cheney had better get a damned good lawyer.
We need to teach our kids how wrong this is, starting today.
In our schools, our churches, in our homes. Teach them and teach them well.
Lest we forget.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:13 pmI’m sure the neocons would have no problem with Roxana Saberi being tortured while imprisoned in Iran:
http://www.rferl.org/content/Iranian_Court_Begins_Hearing_Appeal_By_Jailed_US_Journalist/1625076.html
In fact, I know the neocons would love it, because they hate people in general and don’t care if someone is being waterboarded, because they don’t feel a thing when it’s happening to someone else. See?
May 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pmTrue story:
When I was quite young I had the pleasure of joining the grownups on a business-related fishing trip. Dad’s guests were “Mr. Abe” and “Klaus”. Klaus was an associate of Dad’s and Abe was a client. After a few beers they decided to impart some wisdom on the youngster of the group.
Both of these men had been enemy soldiers in WW2. Both had been captured by us. Both had elected to become American citizens largely because of their experiences as POWs. Both prospered. Both contributed greatly to the early development of computers. Both also worked as liaisons with companies in their home countries and spent much time there. These guys were pretty big players in international trade of the day.
These guys became model American citizens, raised American kids, and added greatly to our prosperity because of the honorable way we Americans fought the war. This is despite the bombings and the other horrors. Yet, in their generation, across continents and oceans and racial divides, it was a certainty that we would treat our fallen and captured enemies with honor and respect. That we would forgive them, and they us, for the acts of madmen on both sides.
I had it straight from the horses mouths, as they say. Our status as a civilized, honorable, nation fueled the Golden Age of Commercial Preeminence of the late 50’s through the 60’s. Our treatment of POWs enriched our society directly and by convincing our enemies turned trading partners that we are fair and honorable people.
Sad ain’t it? All it took to piss all of that away was a few sh!tstains like Cheney telling the World that the U.S. has decided to treat prisoners worse than animals.
POOF!!!
It’s over.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pmHis confidence and uncharacteristic candor indicate that he knows something the rest of us don’t. Although I doubt a formal conspiracy, it seems that Obama, Holder and most of Congress don’t want to lift the lid of the moral dumpster that was the Bush administration.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:22 pmWAYNEBRO, No jury, military or otherwise would convict anyone of refusing to torture someone. If ordered to torture someone, that order should have been refused. So yes, all involved should be made to face up to their actions. To just go after the “higher ups” is to attack a policy issue, instead of wrongful actions. IMO anyway.
Laworder, i agree sooo whole-hearted that the gop has changed into something that doesn’t have the standards that it used to. However I’m refering to several of the state level house reps, who I know, from a smaller state to be sure, but still yet they have morals, and concern for the betterment of things as a whole. And who i still feel are good human beings. And, they are still Republicans. I assure you, they’d want no part of touture, and would fight against it. To call them cowared, and worse is out of line. Its the actions of people that cause problems. And the individual that should be held accountable, not a group. Sorry if ya disagree.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm1) Wonder how many Spanish Governors said the same thing about the inquisition (by coincidence, also directed against them Arabs).
2) Wanna bet this is a Cheney ploy to further tie things up to delay them. Cheney says he’ll testify. Cheney gets invitation. Cheney refuses saying he needs a subpoena. Cheney gets Subpoena – says the subpoena isn’t on the right color paper, executive priviledge etc.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAnother true story:
Norman, a family friend who was in the Vietnam war, still lives with the torture & death he caused while there. He was a flamethrower who burned many buildings down with people in it. He heard the men, women, and children screaming. He remembers horrors that you and I will never witness in our lifetimes. He still suffers from PTSD to this day. He has not forgiven himself for what he did, knows he can’t change a thing, tried to overcome it by joining his local fire department after coming home in the early 70’s so he could SAVE LIVES rather than take them away, but still to this day….he has his moments when he can’t bear to live.
Torture effects everyone involved.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIt’s that infamous Rheichwing contempt for empathy, KayInMaine.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIt still hasn’t occurred to them that we treat prisoners in accordance with civilized conventions for the benefit of our own. The sad, blunt, fact is that Bushco pissed away our right to complain.
Hahahaha, Cheney hasn’t spoken the real truth since the beginning of time.
“CHENEY: I’d have to see what the circumstances are and what kind of precedent we were setting.”
Flex: Can you clarify that Dick?
CHENEY; Sure, are they asking for the real truth, or the truth Bush and I made up as we went along.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pmRight you are, Pete! Torture is inhumane and even the torturers are effected. A piece of them lost on each scream, sob, groan….
May 10th, 2009 at 8:28 pmCheney is at the center of Bush torture.
If Cheney is not at the center of the torture then Bush is.
BTW – is bush still in the country?
May 10th, 2009 at 8:31 pmThe Bush Administration Used Communist Intimidation and Torture Tactics
Was Torture Really Part of a Religious Crusade?
Support Our Troops: Prosecute Torture
May 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pmApe-Man Says:
Strange, isn’t it? Even FAUX hasn’t bothered to mention him. I have a sinking feeling that it’s their attempt to disown him by ignoring him. I’m sure that it won’t be long before the standard response from the Reichwhiners will begin: “Well, Clinton… then Obama…”.
The poor Reichwhiners will simply pretend Chimpy never existed.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pmApe-Man, if we here of a country collapsing in a heap then we’ll know George Bush is in it.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm“hear” not “here”. Doh! Okay, I’m tired. Going to bed. Nite all! ;-)
May 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pmNo ones questioning that. But who would you rather get? The soldiers who ultimately were following orders or the guys giving the orders? Because if we get the former without getting the latter, then it’s sure to happen again.
The ultimate responsibility lies with the order givers. Maybe you’ve forgotten what it’s like to be 20 years old but young men don’t have the benefit of well formed morals and mores. They get these from society and their leaders. Men like Cheney and those at the top know this which is why they use them. I’m not excusing them in any way, I’m just saying that we need to have our priorities straight, and that means going after the order givers. Because if we go after the order givers then we can be sure that those orders will never be given again.
And the way you get the “big fish” is to make deals with the small fish. It’s THEIR testimonies we need. It’s those who received the orders that can confirm in a court of law who gave the orders. And you can rest assured if they’re staring down the business end of a 20 year sentence, they’ll give up those who provided the orders. And then those will give up their higher ups, right up the chain.
No ones excusing the mistakes these young made men, especially for the older, more seasoned veterans. But if at the end of the day we end up with them and the big fish get away, then it could happen again, and those truly responsible will escape the responsibility for their crimes against humanity, which these acts were.
That’s all I’m saying.
If we really want to get those responsible, then we need to make deals with those on the lower end. Even if it’s just reduced sentences.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pmNo, he’s in Texas.
May 10th, 2009 at 8:58 pmCheney has gone mad.
May 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pmDick Cheney will never testify under oath. This link sums it up quite nicely.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=854
May 10th, 2009 at 9:32 pmCheney has been devious, dishonorable, and deceitful ever since he took office. Now he wants a pass on torture. I wouldn’t let cheney take care of my children while i went to the store.
May 10th, 2009 at 9:47 pmYou bleeding heart rational thinkers, do not know the reality of survival of our nation.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pmWe were attacked by a pious enemy that had no problem cutting Daniel Pearl head off while he was alive and witnessing the terrible ordeal.
We have one that planned the destruction of the World Trade Center killing over 3000 of our citizens in a fiery hell.
This is the enemy and the mentality they use for killing us.
Another thing for you bleeding heart liberals the Geneva Convention states soldiers deserve protection from torture. These are terrorist which were water boarded. How many lives were saved by taking a strong action against this openly hostile crowd against us.
You arm chair Quarterbacks having the security this nation provide you, through it security forces are now willing to throw them under the bus for righteous indignations.
I say those that were water boarded had it coming and we did not cut off their head during it. I believe cutting off someones head while they are still living is real torture. Hanging contractor’s from a bridge in Iraq having first tortured them and then killing them is real torture.
Do you get the picture or would you rather an enemy of ours to believe they will have cable TV and educational programs in the United States, provided to them by President Barack Obama and Attorney Eric Holder.
Are you insane or are you just plain bleeding heart liberal that want to see blood from the past administration? I did not care for them the Republicans but they are out of office now. What are you trying to accomplish but for getting your pound of flesh? He that is without sin cast the first stone.
May be willing????
What? – War criminals are now able to give permission to be summoned????
Arrest the murderer. Send him down the “Perp Walk!” Let’s see how fast he starts talking!
May 10th, 2009 at 11:17 pmAll this talk is fine and well but we can remember very well people Like Tillman, football hero, service person..killed by his own.To disobay in the field, or express you might blow the whistle while in the military can and has been deadly for many..P. B. & J.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pmseslichat
May 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pmsesli chat
sesli sohbet
Careful now: He’s willing to testify, but is he willing to tell the truth? Can he tell the truth and reality from his own spin and apocalyptic fantasies?
May 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pmHe will lie through his teeth, I don’t doubt that for a second. But I doubt he will ever show up.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:44 pmBelieving Cheney would be a mistake. He has a long history of lying. Besides, look how he “testified” in the Scooter Libby case. Questions submitted in writing ahead of time and no cross-examination. You can be sure there would be all kinds of strings attached again.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:18 amAnd the public needs to know that their President doesn’t have the stomach for harsh interrogations, even when danger is imminent.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:38 am@173 Romartin16985 needs to know that the harsh interrogations committed by cheney’s troture program were unlawful and he must be prosecuted. Crooked politicians don’t get a free pass in America, sport.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:44 amI don’t think you’ll get any argument on that, CFP. And I don’t think you’ll see a whole lot of loyalty for Pelosi or a host of others. The failure in American leadership may have been instigated by Republicans but the had lots of help.
However, I must remind you, Bushco was in charge and controlled the intelligence and other information passed on to Congress and other people in oversight positions.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:44 amRomartin16985 Says:
And the public needs to know that their President doesn’t have the stomach for harsh interrogations, even when danger is imminent.
He doesn’t have to. In one recent crisis he simply had the professionals, SEALs in this case, eliminate those who posed the risk. The same action any sane President would have applied to Bin Laden and AQ.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:49 amRomartin16985 Says:
And the public needs to know that their President doesn’t have the stomach for harsh interrogations, even when danger is imminent.
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And I guess you don’t mind being on par w/ the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, and the Inquisition…
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!!!!!!
May 11th, 2009 at 12:54 amConservativeForProgress Says:
He should testify under oath, side by side with Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats who have now developed selective amnesia about what they knew and when they knew it. Investigate them all.
And since both sides will attempt to use any congressional proceedings for political gain, a special prosecutor is in order, yes?
May 11th, 2009 at 1:02 ambarfly Says:
And since both sides will attempt to use any congressional proceedings for political gain, a special prosecutor is in order, yes?
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Abo-farking-lutely…
It would appear that the dipshite you’re discussing this w/ doesn’t realize just how unpopular Nancy Pelosi is w/ many here, huh, db?
May 11th, 2009 at 1:09 amS/B: aBso-farking-lutely…
May 11th, 2009 at 1:09 amsorry… should also be barfly…
And I only just STARTED drinking…
May 11th, 2009 at 1:11 amstormn00007 Says:
You bleeding heart rational thinkers, do not know the reality of survival of our nation.
If a captured suspect won’t talk, would you endorse torturing his also-captured child to get him to speak? If so, you’re no better than they are, and you should quit bragging about being exceptional. You’re obviously not, if you would support torturing anyone’s child, for any reason.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:12 amAnd I only just STARTED drinking…
I’m just starting to sober up… slowly.
Everything in moderation, I always say.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:14 ambarfly Says:
And I only just STARTED drinking…
I’m just starting to sober up… slowly.
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Ooooooo… Special Edition: Sunday Night Tag Team Whack-A-Troll™!!!!!
May 11th, 2009 at 1:16 amNo, you two bit video game weaned entitlement know nothing generation pricks do not know the reality of who we are.
The Germans did a lot more than cut a reporters head off.
The Germans butchered 6 million Jews, Poles, Catholics, and even US and British soldiers(yes, some soldiers actually ended up there) in the death camps. Camp “doctors” like Josef Mengele committed horrific tortures on children, particularly twins. Did you know he used to cut off their limbs while they were awake? Did you know he actually sewed twins together, making them into “Siamese twins”? Did you know in an effort to save money at Auschwitz-Birkenau they actually started throwing the children into the ovens and onto the burn piles “alive”?
No, you didn’t know that. Because you know nothing about our countries recent history. Nothing. Just like that idiot Dana Perino, who didn’t even know what the Cuban Missile crisis was yet she presumed to lecture the rest of us on what is historically viable.
Our fathers fought an enemy much worse than the indigent religious nuts running around with sandals and rags on their backs, and they did it without sacrificing who we are.
And here’s another thing I bet you didn’t know.
I bet you didn’t know what the Nuremburg trials were created for.
The Nuremburg trials were set up by the US and the international community to prosecute the concept of OFFENSIVE WAR, and war crimes committed due to AGGRESSIVE war.
War waged not in defense, but in offense. They were designed to outlaw the HITLER DOCTRINE, of “PRE-EMPTIVE war”.
There.
Now you know.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:30 amSure, get Cheney on the stand, and ask him if he knows what was on the destroyed CIA torture tapes, for example, or if he saw exerpts. That’s the only way you’re going to trip him up: by asking questions he’s unprepared for. He’ll either have to risk answering, and blowing his case apart — or he’ll have to clam up, also blowing his case apart.
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A land peopled by dumb virgins? Which direction from San Diego is it — if you’re allowed to divulge it’s location?
May 11th, 2009 at 1:31 amAnd here’s another thing I bet you didn’t know.
During the course of the war, thousands of high ranking German officers were captured and sent back to the states for information gathering purposes.
But we didn’t “interrogate them”.
Instead, we housed them in relative luxury, and treated them with dignity, honor and respect.
While we bugged their rooms, dining halls, etc.
And we got volumes of useful, real intelligence that saved American lives.
So now you know something else.
Stick around, and you’ll be at least as smart as a fourth grader soon.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:35 ambarfly Says:
A land peopled by dumb virgins? Which direction from San Diego is it — if you’re allowed to divulge it’s location?
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Heh… on some matters i have been sworn to ABSOLUTE SECRECY…
May 11th, 2009 at 1:35 amAnd even at Nuremburg, the Americans insisted on giving the SS leaders fair trials, defense, the right to hear charges publicly, and the right to defend themselves.
And yet we still managed to hang and or imprison the butchers, without Bush’s “secret tribunals”.
In fact, we got a few of them, like that fat pig Goering, to kill themselves.
Learn something about history before you run your mouth about “bleeding heart liberals”. Because standing up to foul nazi pigs who endorse torture has nothing to do with “bleeding hearts”. It has to do with honoring our fathers and the wars they fought for us to be here. The wars they fought with honor.
Something you’d understand if you’d turn off the video games and read something about those who made it possible for you to be here now, typing the garbage you type.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:40 amSTINKIN FILTHLY LIAR!
buckshot won’t go near the truth. talking under oat is something he will continue to avoid.
he is a despicable liar, self-absorbed freak and a chickenhawk coward.
he’s attempting to justify his horrible horrors to the 19%ers. he wants limpydic, faux news et al to judge him.
let’s shut this lying deadly madman up. let him defend himself behind bars.
buckshot is determine to ruin the world.
May 11th, 2009 at 1:51 amhe may have syphilis.
UGH! This steely danm’s response to President Obama’s “Shout out.”
steeley damn is the epitome of the teabagger repugs club.
May 11th, 2009 at 2:01 amJustice Robert H. Jackson
Chief of Counsel for the United States
Opening Statement before the International Military Tribunal
May 11th, 2009 at 2:21 amNovember 21, 1945, Nuremberg, Germany
My hope is that one day soon, he will testify under oath…But not in front of Congress but in front of a jury of his own peers.
May 11th, 2009 at 2:32 amSure he says that now, but he’ll have some poisonous conditions. Like no oath, no record, allowed to have an automatic on the table in front of him. Whatever it takes to make it not happen. He will not, under any circumstances, answer questions under oath.
May 11th, 2009 at 3:02 amI would like to see him testify under oath about the 935 recorded lies that took us into this illegal fiasco. Joe Wilson reported back to Cheney’s office that there was absolutely no truth to the story of Hussein trying to acquire yellowcake from Niger. But 11 months later the president said it in the SOTU. Ditto the aluminum tubes.
The true intelligence we got was BEFORE the waterboarding! The waterboarding was to try to get them to tie Iraq to al Qaeda and WMD.
May 11th, 2009 at 3:03 amSpiders serve on juries?
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Sure, get Cheney on the stand, and ask him if he knows what was on the destroyed CIA torture tapes, for example, or if he saw exerpts. That’s the only way you’re going to trip him up: by asking questions he’s unprepared for. He’ll either have to risk answering, and blowing his case apart — or he’ll have to clam up, also blowing his case apart.
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This is a man who created his own “super secret” stamp to try and make his non-secret stuff look secret, and who tried to get out of his legal obligation to disclose other documents of his by trying to argue that as Vice President he wasn’t part of the Executive Branch.
No way will this guy ever testify under oath about anything. Not unless he’s managed to arrange all the questions beforehand, so he can have prewritten answers that don’t actually answer anything.
May 11th, 2009 at 5:28 amHeyyy
May 11th, 2009 at 6:07 amMostly, I want Dick to shut up.
His party is dead. There’s no need to go on shooting it in the face over and over again.
Xe Technology: To Purify America
May 11th, 2009 at 6:30 amDid Chaney say President Bush signed off on the “water boarding”? For the first time I realize Chaney is doing a CYA and is willing to bring down his boss. Just so he can’t be blamed.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:58 amThe truth??? Cheney can’t handle the truth.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:09 amI really wish people would stop entertaining this criminal in the national spotlight. He is lying…again. He will no more testify under oath voluntarily than I will volunteer for castration. Why do you even bother to print this crap. I’m sure Tricky Dick is at home rolling on the floor laughing his fool head off that anyone would dare to consider that he would be stupid enough to cooperate. He’s wasting everybody’s time while simultaneously trying to build a defense case for his criminal behaviors. Think Progress and the rest of the media are enabling him and allowing him to play the American people like a con-man from the South Side of Chicago.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:30 amTiffanyRings, consider yourself flagged. If you have nothing to contribute which could even remotely be considered relevant to this site, never mind this thread, then you don’t belong here.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:35 amWhy is this war criminal still walking around free?
May 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am911=Inside Job
The only place Cheney needs to be testifying is at his war crimes trial. And he doesn’t have any choice abouther whether he will or not. And neither do Obama or Holder! It’s US law!!! The fact that this criminal is not only walking around free but is also appearing on national television is beyond disgusting!
May 11th, 2009 at 10:05 amNo the harsh interrogations weren’t unlawful just because some of you here say they were and now want to play judge and jury years after 9/11.
And captured terrorists don’t automatically get treaty protections.
AND you’re ignoring the fact that the memos indicate less harsh techniques were tried with these terrorists and DID NOT WORK, so your arguments that lots of great info can be had just by knowing how to ask the questions, is useless.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:07 amFat chance. The only oath this criminal has ever taken is when he was sworn in as Vice President, and he broke that oath as often as humanly possible.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:51 amDoes anyone out there believe that Cheney being under oath is going to make a difference in what he says? I think not.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:36 amHe believes the BS that him and Bush fed the country, so under oath will just be more of the same.
Romartin16985 you lie as badly as Cheney does. People say crimes are unlawful because they are listed as unlawful under US law! I don’t know which I find more sick and disgusting, your ignorance or your anti-Americanism.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:59 amYou are quite misinformed, terrible.
The enhanced techniques were deemed lawful at the time.
Liberals see a chance to change history and realize their dream of imprisoning some from the Bush administration.
This won’t work. But I do hope for more information to be made public. Maybe our Speaker will be seen for who she is.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:02 pmNo problem. Send to the World Court at the Hague, just like any other war crime. If members of the Bush administration are innocent, then there is nothing to worry about, right?
May 11th, 2009 at 12:30 pmSo Cheney will, but will Pelosi?
May 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pmfrances, are you really that gullible? Last time Cheney went before Congress, he refused to take an oath because he knew he was going to lie.
What part of your brain do they remove when they make you into a Republican?
May 11th, 2009 at 12:46 pmRomartin16985 Says:
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You are quite misinformed, terrible.
The enhanced techniques were deemed lawful at the time.
No actually, they weren’t. Hence the reason why Bush and his administration used their lawyers to find ways around the laws – like renaming the procedures as “nontortuous”.
May 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pmReport after report is drowning dick Cheney in the truth about torture and waterboarding, and dead and injured captives. This guy will not change his tune, ever. And testify under oath for his country – never. If he did he would lie.
May 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pmI could care less whther he is “willing” or not. If we had real leadership that cared about our constitution and the rule of law more than political party re-election aspirations and perpetuation of political party power over the best interest of our nation, his only other option would be to plead the 5th.
May 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm