Harold Ford: I Would Have Voted To Approve Torture
Harold Ford: I Would Have Voted To Approve Torture
This weekend, former Vice President Cheney repeated his claim that torture “saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of lives.” Of those, like President Obama, who condemn torture as making America less safe, Cheney insisted, “in effect, we’re prepared to sacrifice American lives rather than run an intelligent interrogation program that would provide us the information we need to protect America.”
This evening on MSNBC, former Democratic congressman Harold Ford, Jr., adopted many of Cheney’s right-wing talking points to defend torture, saying he was “not as outraged as some are about” what happened at Guantanamo. He suggested that he even would have voted to approve torture in order to “prevent the destruction of an American city”:
FORD: You have to remember when this was occurring. This is 2002, 2003. The country was in a different place, in a different space. And if you were to say to me, as an American, put aside my partisanship, that we have an opportunity to gain information that would prevent the destruction of an American city, to prevent killings in American cities, and we have to use certain techniques, I’m one of those Americans that would have voted a certain way, Chris. And that polling said it might have been torture, but I’m not as outraged.
Watch it:
Matthews was incredulous, telling Ford, “You are veering into Cheney country here.” He said Ford’s talking point about the destruction of an American city was “Cheney talk.” “That’s what he used to justify torture,” Matthews said.
The ticking-time-bomb scenario Ford seems to invoke is simply a “red herring” that “doesn’t happen” in the real world. And according to the interrogators themselves, torturing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah — the two Cheney most frequently cites as “proof” of torture’ effectiveness — provided no actionable intelligence.
ThinkProgress released an extensive report today, Why Bush’s ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Program Failed. Read the whole thing here, and leave your comments here.
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Harold Ford, Jr is very disappointing.
But, you know what? He’s just another product of the American aristocracy. He is a child of privilege deeply steeped in the conventional wisdom.
And deeply in love with himself.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pmIt’s nice to see Chris Matthews step up to the plate, though and call the Cheney distortions for what they are.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pmWhen Ford was a member of congress and running for Senate here in TN, I could let a lot of the rhetoric pass. This is a tough state for any Dem no matter how conservative they are.
One of two things are happening here…
1)He’s running for TN office again…
or
2)He really believes these RW talking points.
I’m more inclined to believe number 2.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pmFORD: You have to remember when this was occurring. This is 2002, 2003. The country was in a different place, in a different space. And if you were to say to me, as an American, put aside my partisanship, that we have an opportunity to gain information that would prevent the destruction of an American city, to prevent killings in American cities, and we have to use certain techniques, I’m one of those Americans that would have voted a certain way, Chris. And that polling said it might have been torture, but I’m not as outraged.
And even with all of your “faketriotism” and bipartisanship, the citizens of TN and the GOP (your real friends) called you a pimp and you lost in your bid for the Senate, Thank God.
This was brought to you by another stupid individual who wanted a hand in runnning this country.
Idiot.
RIP
May 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
only cowards support torture
period
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pmAmen, Senator Ford. We are dealing with horrible creatures who want to alter are way of life through fear and death. We must resume in protecting our nation. We can do this through intelligence tactics.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pmHey Harold ; you get 1 guess as to why you’re no longer in office ………Nitwit.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pmhappily liberal
No he isnt he is a coward and a fool like you.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pmright wingers think America is too weak to defeat terrorist criminals without resorting to torture and war and illegal spying
what a bunch of pussies
May 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Amen, Senator Ford. We are dealing with horrible creatures who want to alter are way of life through fear and death. We must resume in protecting our nation. We can do this through intelligence tactics.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
When exactly did this nation stop protecting itself ?
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Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
May 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pmlooktothehills
Well yes we are dealing with horrible cowardly creatures who want to change our way of life. They are called rightwingers like YOU. They want to torpedo our values because they are cowards who are too afraid to HAVE values and dont even understand what morality IS. Horrible creatures all. Luckily no one takes them seriously anymore and they are politically irrelevant. Their soulless evil and their inability to even understand decency is no longer steering our government
May 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pmaside from the main point of the article, if we believe that it could be appropriate to torture people in order to prevent the destruction of an american city, how can the bush administration defend *not* torturing people to prevent 9/11?
May 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pmYou UnAmerican POS…24 is a freakin TV SHOW and not real life.
How do you know you’re going to get information that will save a City?
Torture everyone in the world till you find someone who will tell you anything?
The torture people are some extremely sick individuals who don’t seem to be able to use logic.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm“…that we have an opportunity to gain information that would prevent the destruction of an American city, to prevent killings in American cities, and we have to use certain techniques…”
Has anyone ever been able to prove – or even present any compelling evidence – that any acts of torture have actually prevented any acts of terrorism? Even a little shard of evidence?
FYI – I have done a little funny dance around my bed every morning at exactly 5:45 am since September 11th, and we haven’t had any more bombings or planes flying into buildings. So, I’m just saying that maybe it’s my little dance and not the waterboarding and other torture techniques that have kept us safe. Seems like about the same standard of proof here.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pmWow. He even echoes Cheney on calling for more info to be declassified to “prove” the need for torture.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pmFord is still up set that he wasn’t asked to a job for the Obama Administration. He played his cards and supported McCain thinking since Bush won twice McCain would win. Now he’s left with attacking innocent people and siding with Darth Cheney. Look Ford might want to be Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh’s VP or even replace Michael Steele as Chairman. When Obama said change he wasn’t kidding.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:54 pmUhm, Ford was never a U.S. Senator. He lost. But he is Chairman of the DLC, at the moment…
May 11th, 2009 at 7:56 pm“I would have voted for torture” = moron who thinks America gets it’s principles of justice from the likes of ‘the lord of the flys’.
Mr. Ford, let the grown ups with a moral compass take care of those that tortured, and don’t strain that tiny sliver of morality that your church managed to drill into you.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pmhappily liberal Says:
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Ford is a good man.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Thanks for your 2 cents , Mrs Ford…….
May 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pmThis part of the show that immediately preceded the exchange at issue is pretty telling. It’s all about how a poll showed more people supporting torture.
Ford is probably just being a good weathervane and following the latest poll.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Remember Harold Ford’s campaign commercial where he’s sitting in a church and talks about how great it is to force your kids into Christianity – like he was?
Harold Ford is a centrist, blue swine. Real good thing he’s not in congress. He’s a useless piece of shit not unlike every other blue swine dem.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:02 pmOT, but this is cool.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:02 pmhttp://radgeek.com/gt/2009/05/06/wednesday-lazy-linking/
happily liberal Says:
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Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
MCMetal Says:
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Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
Well I consider Ford a threat to our national security and I would vote to torture him.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
happily liberal Says:
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Ford is a good man.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
And ?
May 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pmTorture shamed us before the world. Torture has further endangered our cities. As for gathering information it has be proven to be ineffective. Could torture cure Mr Ford of his double talk? It would only excite the problem.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pmMCMetal says:
Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
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i’m not sure i’d agree with that in the abstract. and based on the pattern that’s emerging, i’m becoming less inclined to believe that the bush administration tortured out of cowardice rather than out of a craven, insatiable desire to build a case for iraq — even a 1% case — to justify invading a middle-east country to fulfill the PNAC agenda. that’s a pretty ambitious agenda.
that said, i don’t think bush would have thought twice about authorizing anything against detainees.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pmhypocrisy knows not political boundaries…
May 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pmYou have to remember when this was occurring. This is 2002, 2003.
Condie Rice used this excuse with the Stanford student also.
So they are both saying that since 2003 the threat has been nonexistent. I thought there was always a chance of our being attacked again. Why is that period so different from now? Oh yeah, they were in charge and had screwed up once by ignoring the 8/6/01 PDB.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pmI’m so shocked and disappointed that Ford made this statement. I thought he was smarter than that. Torture is wrong and there’s no excuse or analogy that will make torture right or legal.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:10 pmTired of being lied to Says:
Has anyone ever been able to prove – or even present any compelling evidence – that any acts of torture have actually prevented any acts of terrorism? Even a little shard of evidence?
FYI – I have done a little funny dance around my bed every morning at exactly 5:45 am since September 11th, and we haven’t had any more bombings or planes flying into buildings.
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good work. keep it up. for my part, i’ve been shaving myself head to toe every other thursday without exception, commencing at precisely 9:12 p.m., and my tests results seem to corroborate yours: no airplanes flying into the world trade center.
between the two of us, we should get a medal or something.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:11 pmhappily liberal Says:
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And ?
Liberal hypocrisy, front and center.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Luckily , your cancervative stupidity is not all-pervading nor all-encompassing……
May 11th, 2009 at 8:12 pmWhen I saw him say that I wasn’t surprised. he’s the same guy who said some really stupid stuff before Obama WON the primary.
There isn’t a reason to tortured.
KO said a good one just now. He said buckshot is giving up chimpy et al without being tortured.
Keith is so ON TIME. HAHAHAHA
May 11th, 2009 at 8:12 pmHarold Ford can side with the war criminal activity of others and risk prosecution as an illegal war supporter or he can stand for truth and justice.
He will fail at this task. I’ve never trusted this snake in the grass….
May 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pmstjack Says:
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MCMetal says:
Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
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i’m not sure i’d agree with that in the abstract. and based on the pattern that’s emerging, i’m becoming less inclined to believe that the bush administration tortured out of cowardice rather than out of a craven, insatiable desire to build a case for iraq — even a 1% case — to justify invading a middle-east country to fulfill the PNAC agenda. that’s a pretty ambitious agenda.
that said, i don’t think bush would have thought twice about authorizing anything against detainees.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Trying to pin blame upon the blameless for the particular incident you’re pointing to is about as cowardly an act as one can perform………
May 11th, 2009 at 8:14 pmhappily Stupid Says:
Liberal hypocrisy, front and center.
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ONE lefty blogger only cowards advocate torture, a DIFFERENT lefty blogger says we should torture Ford in a clearly ironic, he didnt really mean torture kind of way and to someone as bone ignorant as YOU that means hypocrisy? My GOD how stupid can you possibly be. A disagreement between two different liberals is not anything NEAR hypocrisy. What a moron you are.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pmMatthews is manic man in his dealings with these guys. He fawns and bows to disgraced clowns like DeLay, but is a tiger and attack-dog against lightweights like Ford. In the unlikely event Cheney comes on Hardball–he will send his list of questions ahead of the show and Matthews will toss those little softballs for Dicky to swing at and run around the bases while the neocons cheer him on.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:19 pmblockquote>This is 2002, 2003. The country was in a different place, in a different space.
Oh, boy was it different. First of all, the shock of the contentious election results that weren’t sufficiently challenged because of the alleged trauma America would suffer, was wearing off, and a lot of people (watching Bush vacation and cut brush) were beginning to get p*ssed.
Then 9/11 came along. I was working 14 hours a day, 7 days a week in 2001 and 2002. I don’t know exactly how the invasion of Afghanistan was covered by the media, but it seemed rather mute. The Patriot Act, treating airline passengers as if they were all potential terrorists, hushing of dissent, “with us or against us”—-you know the drill—seemed to be in the fore, along with obscene repetition of 9/11 images and references, and arguments over whether or not the crime of 9/11 should be investigated.
Then the drumbeat for war with Iraq, which is the most heinous war related coverage I have ever seen. It made me crack. In February of 2003, I had my only stay in a mental ward, on the “flight deck” of the VA hospital. And the ward was packed (before the invasion of Iraq, remember)—veterans from every conflict from WW II and up. Leaks that the Niger tubes were forgeries, that the intelligence reports said Iraq was not a threat, etc. were out before we invaded.
Then the surreal spectacle of the invasion of Iraq and the egregious and merciless destruction that was wrought on people who had done nothing to us.
Then the pictures of Abu Graib.
Oh, things were different alright. We were through the looking glass and Congress was oddly incurious.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:21 pmHarold Ford, meet Joe Lieberman. You are about as useful to the Democratic party, the progressive movement, and, oh yeah, your country as he is.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pmThis is 2002, 2003. The country was in a different place, in a different space.
Translation:
“We were a bunch of pussies who got our nose bloodied by some Al-Qaeda punks and by God, we we’re gonna get our revenge on anyone we could lay hands on, regardless of their involvement on the attacks of 9-11″
May 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pmonly pussies support torture
period
May 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pmAnd the neocons say They fell for it! This proves our innate superiority to lead the child-like masses.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:37 pmhappily liberal Says:
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he didnt really mean torture kind of way a
You know this, exactly how?
May 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Half-osmosis/half The Force ……Which is why you and the rest of the GOP tools know absolutely nothing ….
May 11th, 2009 at 8:44 pmI dont listen to Mr “So?” He doesnt care what the people think he just wants to cover his behind and the media shouldnt be giving him a podium to glorify his despicable actions which have got this country in two expensive wars of choice.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pmHi Proud:
You started out reasonable enough but then you had to go and blow it with the “libtard” thing. It calls into question your ability to think objectively.
Eightball on the fritz?
May 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pmcheers-
happily liberal
Context and reading comprehension. It looked like it was meant to be an ironic statment. You know that FORDS logic could easily be used against HIM. At least it is a reasonable interpretation but that isnt the main point. The main point is that one lefty blogger differing from a different lefty blogger cannot POSSIBLY equal hypocrisy.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pmi didnt read anything this supposed democrat said this is betterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvi_wJtmZs
May 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pmProud Says:
When the all the documents are made public then you can make a determination, until then it is just more libtards making accusations based on incomplete information.
The information is, and will remain, incomplete due to the deliberate destruction of tapes and documents of interrogations.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pmProudMORON
Well its good to see some things never change like how stupid, and pathetic ConPUNKS like ProudMoron are. My God the stupidity is just so classic my braincells actually started screaming THE STUPID, THE STUPID IT HURTS AHHHHH, when reading the ignorance of his post. Classic, vintage monumental stupidity. A morons moron no doubt about it. His imitation of a retarded spidermonkey is pretty spot on. Not QUITE smart enough but close. A level of bone chilling stupidity that just cant be faked. Got to be genetic. So pure is his stupid it must be left over from the first primordial ooze of stupid. Always good to see a classic rendition
May 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pmProud
Cheney admits to authorizing the waterboarding KSM
Waterboarding is a crime, a violation of domestic and international law. These thing are absolute indisputable facts.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
Right AND a million or so missing emails. So what is LEFT is most likely cherry picked NOT to implicate the outgoing administration
May 11th, 2009 at 9:05 pmMCMetal Says:
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Amen, Senator Ford. We are dealing with horrible creatures who want to alter are way of life through fear and death. We must resume in protecting our nation. We can do this through intelligence tactics.
May 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
When exactly did this nation stop protecting itself ?
BTW
Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
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When your President released classified memos, and when Janet Napolitano was appointed as the Secretary of Homeland Security. She decided to use ideology to create security measures for this nation. According to her, I am a terrorist.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pm#
happily liberal Says:
Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
MCMetal Says:
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Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
Well I consider Ford a threat to our national security and I would vote to torture him.
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The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmhf = baby ms
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Game of Life Says:
hf = baby ms
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You really hate America, don’t you?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:13 pmApe-Man Says:
“I would have voted for torture” = moron who thinks America gets it’s principles of justice from the likes of ‘the lord of the flys’.
Mr. Ford, let the grown ups with a moral compass take care of those that tortured, and don’t strain that tiny sliver of morality that your church managed to drill into you.
Tou-f0cking-che mate.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pmlooktothehills
You are a liar a fool and a moron that is so stupid he keep regurgitating the stupidity that Rush TOLD you to believe long after it has been proven to be blatant idiocy. Feel free to advertise what a moron you are.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pmlooktothehills Says:
The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
It does to Taliban soldiers captured in the battlefield…
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Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
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happily liberal Says:
Anyone advocating using ILLEGAL means/methods is un-American and simply a coward…….
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Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
Well I consider Ford a threat to our national security and I would vote to torture him.
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The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
Are you saying Ford is a terrorist?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pmlooktothehills Says:
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When your President released classified memos, and when Janet Napolitano was appointed as the Secretary of Homeland Security. She decided to use ideology to create security measures for this nation. According to her, I am a terrorist.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
As opposed to questioning anything the previous administration did , being grounds to be branded as a “terrorist sympathizer/supporter” , GOP stooge ?
BTW
When the president releases a previously “classified” memo , it’s because he is the one who “de-classified” it ; that’s how it works , twerp………
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pmlooktothehills Says:
The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
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No that falls under the law you unbelievably imbecile terrorism is a crime. Only the stupidest and most gullible buy the dodge that it is a war but we arent bound by the rules of war because its a crime and we arent bound by the rules of criminal law because its war and so NO RULES APPLY. We get how brainwashed you are but it is just stupid. RULES APPLY. Pick. The rules of war or the rules of law. You dont get to create a black hole and say we dont like these people so because we ACCUSE them of something heinous NO RULES APPLY. Only a complete and utter fool would buy that argument
May 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pmlooktothehills Says:
You really hate America, don’t you?
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You really are stupid arent you?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pmlooktothehills Says:
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No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As opposed to revealing the identity of an undercover CIA officer for political retribution , which strengthens security and intelligence tactics in this nation …………
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Luis Chapulin M Says:
looktothehills Says:
The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
It does to Taliban soldiers captured in the battlefield…
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Anytime terrorist organizations are severing the heads of American captives, that is further proof that it does not apply to these cowardice organizations.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pmlooktothehills Says:
No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
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No but maybe the way YOU are aiding the terrorists by trying to destroy American values makes you a cowardly punk
May 11th, 2009 at 9:21 pmAnd major disappointment of Harold Ford Jr. was one of the rising stars in the political field. He certainly sold his soul to the Dickster. When you lay down with the GOP dogs, you wake up with fleas.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Luis Chapulin M Says:
looktothehills Says:
The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
It does to Taliban soldiers captured in the battlefield…
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Anytime terrorist organizations are severing the heads of American captives, that is further proof that it does not apply to these cowardice organizations.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Thank you for that worthless opinion , Mr Didn’t-Pen-The-Geneva-Convention-Treaty-Yet-Believes-He Did ……
May 11th, 2009 at 9:23 pmYou just kissed your political career good-bye.
he should keep his catty remarks to himself. I saw a vein pop out of his head when he dissed Sen. Obama.
he’s sorta like a lindsey in-waiting.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pmMCMetal Says:
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No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As opposed to revealing the identity of an undercover CIA officer for political retribution , which strengthens security and intelligence tactics in this nation …………
Plame was not active at that time. Also, since she was not active, her name has nothing to do with security measures/methods in this nation. Stop acting like a traitor.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:26 pmlooktothehills Says:
Anytime terrorist organizations are severing the heads of American captives, that is further proof that it does not apply to these cowardice organizations.
Then the rules of law apply to them. You don’t get to ignore the rules just because beheadings make you queasy. Rules are rules.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pmRoxana Saberi was released without being tortured.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pmMCMetal Says:
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Luis Chapulin M Says:
looktothehills Says:
The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist organizations.
It does to Taliban soldiers captured in the battlefield…
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Anytime terrorist organizations are severing the heads of American captives, that is further proof that it does not apply to these cowardice organizations.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Thank you for that worthless opinion , Mr Didn’t-Pen-The-Geneva-Convention-Treaty-Yet-Believes-He Did ……
May 11th, 2009 at 9:23 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Worthless!? They continue to torture us. Also, we are not fighting a nation, we are fighting an organization consisted of various foreign citizens. Please leave America, you do not care about the safety of our citizens.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pmlooktothehills Says:
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No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As opposed to revealing the identity of an undercover CIA officer for political retribution , which strengthens security and intelligence tactics in this nation …………
Plame was not active at that time. Also, since she was not active, her name has nothing to do with security measures/methods in this nation. Stop acting like a traitor.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
She was active , you political party/worst administration supporter over country , bullshitting loser ……..You should be deported
May 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pmhere’s some tortue for you :)
May 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
Roxana Saberi was released without being tortured.
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Iran: A sovereign nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pmAl Queda: A multinational terrorist organization who inflicts fear and death on those who are a part of or support western society. They also mutilate and torture their captives.
looktothehills Says:
That doesn’t mean that America has to lower it’s moral standards. If we allow our government to torture others then we are no better than the terrorists.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Worthless!? They continue to torture us. Also, we are not fighting a nation, we are fighting an organization consisted of various foreign citizens. Please leave America, you do not care about the safety of our citizens.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
The US is a nation of laws ; it is ILLEGAL for an American to torture ANYONE .
Please leave the country before I find your stupid , cowardly ass and knock you out of it , twerp……
May 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmMCMetal Says:
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No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As opposed to revealing the identity of an undercover CIA officer for political retribution , which strengthens security and intelligence tactics in this nation …………
Plame was not active at that time. Also, since she was not active, her name has nothing to do with security measures/methods in this nation. Stop acting like a traitor.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
She was active , you political party/worst administration supporter over country , bullshitting loser ……..You should be deported
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I care about protecting Americans. You put political ideology ahead of security. Who should really be deported?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pmlooktothehills Says:
Plame was not active at that time. Also, since she was not active, her name has nothing to do with security measures/methods in this nation. Stop acting like a traitor.
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My GOD you are either the most brainwashed moron in history or a lying piece of garbage. Plame WAS an active NOC agent. The CIA read her service record INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD YOU MORON. What a lying fool you are. You just keep telling the lies no matter that they have been PROVEN to be lies no matter how STUPID it makes you look. You are pathetic beyond belief
May 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pmlooktothehills Says:
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No, but you maybe aiding terrorist, by advocating relaxed security and intelligence tactics in this nation.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As opposed to revealing the identity of an undercover CIA officer for political retribution , which strengthens security and intelligence tactics in this nation …………
Plame was not active at that time. Also, since she was not active, her name has nothing to do with security measures/methods in this nation. Stop acting like a traitor.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
She was active , you political party/worst administration supporter over country , bullshitting loser ……..You should be deported
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I care about protecting Americans. You put political ideology ahead of security. Who should really be deported?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
And “protecting” Americans starts with revealing an undercover CIA officer’s identity for political retribution , does it ?
You couldn’t protect a bicycle from the rain with an airplane hangar and tarpaulin at your disposal , assbag …….
May 11th, 2009 at 9:36 pmThis damned lie again?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200707030002
May 11th, 2009 at 9:36 pmMCMetal Says:
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Worthless!? They continue to torture us. Also, we are not fighting a nation, we are fighting an organization consisted of various foreign citizens. Please leave America, you do not care about the safety of our citizens.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
The US is a nation of laws ; it is ILLEGAL for an American to torture ANYONE .
Please leave the country before I find your stupid , cowardly ass and knock you out of it , twerp……
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Refraining from using key intelligence tactics will not stop terrorist from torturing American captives. They have a Jihad against western civilization. I refuse to let cowards like you to citizens like my future daughter unsafe. If you hate these tactics, leave are nation. We are overpopulated, anyway.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pmlooktothehills Says: 80
Oh NO it is cowardly treasonous ignorant punks like YOU that need to leave our good country you are nothing but an EMBARASSMENT to all decent Americans GET OUT. I think Guatemala where your black fascist heart will fit right in and OH YEAH quit being a treasonous moron
May 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pmlink
May 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Refraining from using key intelligence tactics will not stop terrorist from torturing American captives. They have a Jihad against western civilization. I refuse to let cowards like you to citizens like my future daughter unsafe. If you hate these tactics, leave are nation. We are overpopulated, anyway.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Why should I leave when we DO NOT torture now ?
It is you and your retarded ilk’s FAILED ideology and behavior that has been rejected and is in the minority.
Besides , I want to stick around and see the rule of law enforced and those like yourself jailed if not deported.
I’ll bake you a cake and bring it to you at Leavenworth , coward……..
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
looktothehills Says:
That doesn’t mean that America has to lower it’s moral standards. If we allow our government to torture others then we are no better than the terrorists.
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I guess Al Queda decided to practice moral standards by mutilating American’s heads instead of decapitating their complete body. You will not be able to obtain information- from individuals that have a jihad against us-by being nice. They will die for their cause.
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
looktothehills Says:
That doesn’t mean that America has to lower it’s moral standards. If we allow our government to torture others then we are no better than the terrorists.
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I guess Al Queda decided to practice moral standards by mutilating American’s heads instead of decapitating their complete body. You will not be able to obtain information- from individuals that have a jihad against us-by being nice. They will die for their cause.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
There has NEVER been documented proof that torture EVER WORKS ; in fact , Mossad has insisted for years that IT DOES NOT WORK.
You believe you know better than they do ?
Not a chance in hell……….
May 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmLookintohisemptydeadeyes says
WWWWAAAHHHHHHH He issuch a cowardly punk He is scared of the scary turban guys WWWWAAAAHHHHH He is such a bedwetting coward he wants America to eschew all its standards of morality and decency all its treaty obligtions because he is sooo scared WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH he says. He cant SHOW torture makes him any safer but he doenst care in his souless bloodlust he just wants people who LOOK scary tortured so he can FEEL better. It doesnt matter they havent been convicted of anything. It doesnt matter that SOME tortured we dont even SUSPECT of doing anything none of that matters to subhman cowardly pieces of shite like Looky. The ONLY thing he cares about is how He feels. Amercan values done mean anything. Decency and morality dont mean anything. He can only say WWWWWWWAAAHAHAHHHHH what a coward he is
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
looktothehills Says:
That doesn’t mean that America has to lower it’s moral standards. If we allow our government to torture others then we are no better than the terrorists.
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I guess Al Queda decided to practice moral standards by mutilating American’s heads instead of decapitating their complete body. You will not be able to obtain information- from individuals that have a jihad against us-by being nice. They will die for their cause.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
There has NEVER been documented proof that torture EVER WORKS ; in fact , Mossad has insisted for years that IT DOES NOT WORK.
You believe you know better than they do ?
Not a chance in hell……….
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Were we ever attacked after 9/11? No! It is believed that 32 possible attacks were foiled because of key intelligence tactics. Stop being a wimp, and be tough.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pmhttp://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=31844
Any thoughts looktothehills?
May 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pmlooktothehills Says:
YOu are such a coward. Such a punk. So ignorant it hurts. Al Queda does what they do and it defines them. WE do what we do and it defines us. YOU want to define us as a country without moral standards and without decency nor vcalues becaue you are a coward. I expect more of my country than saying well we have joined the evil doers club but we arent as bad as the worsts scum on the planet. LEAVE. This country is too good for cowardly lying morons like you
May 11th, 2009 at 9:46 pmI’ve seen one American get beheaded. In fact, it’s been a while since I’ve seen any Americans publicly beheaded or captured. I’m not saying it’s right, but compared to what Bush and Cheney started in the name of America, it’s not as bad. The invasion of Iraq killed thousands of Iraqi civilians and American soldiers.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:46 pmWere we ever attacked after 9/11? No! It is believed that 32 possible attacks were foiled because of key intelligence tactics. Stop being a wimp, and be tough.
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May 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pmThis is why dumb ass jocks, frat brothers, and kids dies. The stupidity of peer presssure. Stop being a whimp and chug bro….
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http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=31844
Any thoughts looktothehills?
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Fake doctors (Psychologists) and Army interrogators (not CIA interrogators). Ha!
May 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Were we ever attacked after 9/11? No! It is believed that 32 possible attacks were foiled because of key intelligence tactics. Stop being a wimp, and be tough.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Who actually BELIEVES that 32 possible attacks were foiled through torture,tool ?
You 18%’ers ?
Not exactly a real compelling argument you got there ; trying to use the gullible belief(s) of the most un-and-ill-informed nitwits currently fouling the planet , pansy.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pmlooktothehills Says:
Were we ever attacked after 9/11? No! It is believed that 32 possible attacks were foiled because of key intelligence tactics. Stop being a wimp, and be tough.
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That is bunk you are a liar and a brainwashed fool. Stop being such a coward
May 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pmlooktothehills Says:
It has not been proven that 32 other possible attacks against America were foiled. That’s nonsense you probably got from one of Cheney’s rants.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
I’ve seen one American get beheaded. In fact, it’s been a while since I’ve seen any Americans publicly beheaded or captured. I’m not saying it’s right, but compared to what Bush and Cheney started in the name of America, it’s not as bad. The invasion of Iraq killed thousands of Iraqi civilians and American soldiers.
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There is a lot that is not covered by the media because of your celebrity President.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pmFake doctors (Psychologists) and Army interrogators (not CIA interrogators). Ha!
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May 11th, 2009 at 9:50 pmI don’t wish to sound rude but could I ask your qualifications to make this judgement?
thanks-
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/
Read it and weep you cowardly punk
May 11th, 2009 at 9:51 pmlooktothehills Says:
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
I’ve seen one American get beheaded. In fact, it’s been a while since I’ve seen any Americans publicly beheaded or captured. I’m not saying it’s right, but compared to what Bush and Cheney started in the name of America, it’s not as bad. The invasion of Iraq killed thousands of Iraqi civilians and American soldiers.
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There is a lot that is not covered by the media because of your celebrity President.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Yeah , because the MSM was so diligent in its reporting duties during the godawful Bush administration ; especially in the run-up to the Iraq invasion and those claim of non-existent WMD’s ……
May 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pmlooktothehills Says:
There is a lot that is not covered by the media because of your celebrity President.
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You are a liar, a fool, a punk, a coward, and a piece of garbage without even a shred of decency
May 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pmlooktothehills Says:
Our President is more transparent than Bush ever was.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pmGreat work Mr. Ford! A rare lib with guts! Best wishes in your future endeavors!
May 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pmjohnson44 Says:
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Great work Mr. Ford! A rare lib with guts! Best wishes in your future endeavors!
May 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I’m sure Ford is rejoicing in being told he has “guts” by a typical GOP , nut-hugging chickenhawk ………
May 11th, 2009 at 9:55 pmThanks for nothing you stupid son of a bi tch. Like we needed forking Democrats echoing the war crime talk.
This country has turned into one gigantic pile of sheit.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pmFord a liberal HA man are you DERANGED. We also notice you are a coward and a fool
May 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pmReally why is anyone surprised by Ford’s idiotcy ,yes folks even in the Dem party their exist dispicable figures.No amount of money can make me support Ford,he is just that effing repulsive to me.He belongs with Joe Lieberman & Blanche Lincoln repulsive & vile.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pm“A rare lib with guts!”
— What the hell is this? Is this some menu item at some elitist eatery that has the nerve to serve a salad of endive and arugula instead of the crappy brown iceberg in that weird pretend wood bowl with the two sour cherry tomatoes and some dry shredded carrot and maybe a poorly sliced piece of cucumber with some Sysco ranch?
well if so make mine medium rare with the soft polenta and a few asparagus spears.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pmThat’s sad that Ford said that. Such shallow thinking should eliminate him from consideration if he chooses to run for office again.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:03 pmMMMM. Asparagus spears. My asparagus is putting out ferns. Need to get some compost and pot them up before it gets hot. Asparagus also goes well with gutless Republicans.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:15 pmWere we ever attacked after 9/11? No! It is believed that 32 possible attacks were foiled because of key intelligence tactics. Stop being a wimp, and be tough.
Would you please be so kind as to provide us with a link to your source for this information? Because, as far as I know, the memos that Cheney wants released that would “prove” that “torture worked” are still classified. And whoever released that information, if it is in fact classified information and true, could go to jail.
What’s your source, please?
May 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pmWe weren’t attacked by aliens, zombies, werewolves, vampires, of Amway salesmen either.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:22 pmOT
Can TP stated if the pic used is a stock photo or an actual pic taken during the topic at hand? Maybe a date also.
Thanks.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:22 pmwiley:
May 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pmDo you dig fiddelheads?
After listening to Ford today I do not feel so bad about him being defeated the last time he ran. At least the ahole in office now is a republican ahole and not a blue dog democrat who would vote with republicans. Harold Ford disappoints me.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pmlooktothehills,
It is a logical fallacy to presume correlation implies causation. Just because Event A preceded Event B, it does not automatically mean that Event A caused Event B. Likewise, just because Event B fails to follow Event A, it does not mean that Event A prevented Event B. So your entire argument that Cheney’s security tactics “kept us safe” is not grounded in logic.
Furthermore, you cannot assume that ALL of the tactics and techniques, and only ALL of the tactics and techniques, are what supposedly “kept us safe.” You cannot prove that lessening them couldn’t keep us just as safe, if not more so due to the diminishing resentment toward us for using some of those tactics in the first place.
And none of that matters in the discussion because Dick Cheney took part in a criminal conspiracy to commit a war crime. Using the waterboard was a war crime. Dick Cheney not only admitted his guilt, he bragged about doing it. He belongs in a prison cell, not up on your mantel.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:28 pmwiley Says: @40
Is this a cut and paste or your own words?
May 11th, 2009 at 10:37 pmHarold Ford and others are the reason that Specter’s changing parties doesn’t mean anything. There are plenty of Dems who don’t know the law or are just as frightened as Cheney and Addington and Libby and all the rest. We really need 70 votes to keep us safe from the military industrial congressional complex. Not in my lifetime as long as Ford and Harman and Reid are around. It’s way too easy for them to hide their true agendas under party politics while raking in the cash from defense contractors and polluters. Law? What law?
May 11th, 2009 at 10:53 pmNO. I typed that maniacally. Thought of cutting and pasting my own words because the invasion of Iraq is so disturbing to me. I’ve lost many nights of sleep over it, including last night. Decided to post the link instead.
Off to the find the link.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:57 pmA Picture’s Worth a Thousand Lies.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:58 pmDon’t know nothing much ’bout fiddleheads, dbadass. When I get these babies fertilized and watered, I’ll check them 2 or 3 times a day, because the spears grow so fast, they’ll go from just peeking through the topsoil to ferns in one day. Usually I just harvest them and eat them while I’m kicking around the garden.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:17 pmThere is simply no evidence to show that the purpose of the torture was to avoid the ticking time bomb red herring. Quite to the contrary. The evidence shows that the purpose of the torture was to try and establish a direct link between bin Laden and Saddam, never mind that they were enemies. On one level Bush got what he wanted. He got the Atta in Prague talking point and he got the Saddam had reconsituted his WMD program talking point. While both stories were fabrications generated by torture we still have a sizable percentage of the population that thinks Saddam was linked to the 9/11 attacks and that we found evidence that Saddam was restarting his WMD programs. Neither, of course, is true. But make no mistake, Bush got exactly what he wanted from the torture sessions. Political cover and re-election in 2004, neither of which would have come about without the material obtained by torture.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:20 pmYeah I also remember that time, buddy. I wasn’t scared like you and go batshit crazy. He diverted bin Laden capture for his and his family self-interest.
I remember that after the WTC disasters everyday people were protecting each other, and it felt damn good.
I remember that during this time gas prices were high as a nba booty.
I never liked his cia pappy, or his nazi grandpappy, or little boy blue chimpy. all are rotten from dumbluck. basically hell bent, willy nilly, hill billy.
I had a lot of horrific thoughts, at that time, but they weren’t about outside terror, ford.
I would call him a tiger woods sort of chap.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:22 pmwhy do teabagging repugs believe that being captured and imprisoned isn’t hell in itself?
why is that thought so foreign and unnatural to these simpletons?
why aren’t repugs watching Lock Up on MSNBC?
at the very least, repugs survey ex-prisoners from our prisons system. Gawd.
teabagging repugs are DUMBASSES ON PURPOSE.
teabagging repug love
May 11th, 2009 at 11:41 pmSoon the USA, the modern Sodom and Gomorrah will be destroyed. It is a natoin of evil and all of you in it will be destroyed as well. As God sent 2 angels to find a righteous 50 men, then 45, 40.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmYou wont find any righteous men in the USA. So blinded by greed. The USA is a cancer
Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
What’s your source, please?
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His source is the Bureau of Rush’s BUTT
May 11th, 2009 at 11:54 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says: 25
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
May 11th, 2009 at 11:58 pmGo away Brothamorontroll
There is nothing here to alleviate the misery of your sad, dismal and pathetic life
May 12th, 2009 at 12:00 amHi God:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:00 amSo another thing I was wondering was whether or not Poseiden eats lobsters so big as to make a cocktail fork out of that trident?
Well you guys will be happy to know, that tonight I will be ending my existance. Not sure how quite yet, but I will figure out a way to fade to black
May 12th, 2009 at 12:08 amGod Says:
“Well you guys will be happy to know, that tonight I will be ending my existance. Not sure how quite yet, but I will figure out a way to fade to black”
Umm God…is that some kind of encrypted suicide announcement?
Get some help.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:39 am.
R E M E M E B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS, OUR WAY OF LIFE…
… And so THEY(sic) have lobbied, debated and attempted to legislate away our foundational FREEDOMS and PRINCIPLES in exchange of a temporary sense of security.
OBL would be proud of the US Congress.
p.s.
And of Harold Ford Jr, too.
Dear America,
The moment you gave up your foundational FREEDOMS and PRINCIPLES, you lost! Harold Ford Jr just epitomises this before your very eyes and none dare call it…
… TREASON!!!
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May 12th, 2009 at 12:55 amIts a yellow power cord that I fashioned into a knot to end my existance based on Scott Adam’s, the inventor of Dilbert, short story of God’s Debris
God’s Debris creates a philosophy based on the idea that the simplest explanation tends to be the best (a corruption of Occam’s Razor). It surmises that an omnipotent God annihilated himself in the Big Bang, because an omniscient God would already know everything possible except his own lack of existence, and exists now as the smallest units of matter and the law of probability, or “God’s debris”, hence the title.
Description
The central character, according to the introduction, knows “everything. Literally everything.” Adams, whose knowledge is as incomplete as the next person, got around this by using the aforementioned “simplest explanation” for each concept raised in the book because, while “in this complicated world the simplest explanation is usually dead wrong”, a more simple explanation often sounds more right and more convincing than anything complicated.
This character, the Avatar, defines God as primordial matter (like quarks and leptons) and the law of probability. He offers recommendations on everything from an alternative theory for planetary motion to successful recipes for relationships under his system. He proposes that God is currently reassembling himself through the ongoing formation of a collective intelligence in the form of the human race, modern examples of which include the development of the Internet; this is related to the idea of the Omega point.
However, in the introduction, Adams describes God’s Debris as a thought experiment, challenging readers to differentiate its scientifically accepted theories from “creative baloney designed to sound true,” and to “Try to figure out what’s wrong with the simplest explanation.”[1]
Levels of consciousness
The chapter “Fifth Level” of (p. 124) describes five levels of human awareness, or consciousness.
* Level 1: Consciousness at birth: pure innocence, self-awareness.
* Level 2: Awareness of others, and acceptance of authority (a belief system).
* Level 3: Awareness that some beliefs may be wrong, but not which ones.
* Level 4: Skepticism and adoption of scientific method.
* Level 5: Avatar level, understanding that the mind is a delusion-generating machine, and that science is another belief system, although a useful one.
The book subscribes to the Lakoffian point of view, in that the mind is viewed as a “delusion-generator” rather than a window to true understanding. As George Lakoff said: “Our ordinary conceptual system, in terms of which we both think and act, is fundamentally metaphorical in nature.” The philosophy espoused can also be construed as a form of pandeism, the concept that God created the universe by becoming the universe.
Given Adams’ fame as the author of the Dilbert comics, publishers were wary of publishing any book by Adams without Dilbert content. The book was therefore released initially as an e-book (with comparatively small “publishing” costs). Based on its rapid success, however, it was also quickly released in hardcover format. The book can now be found for free online (see external links below).
The book has its critics, both on the theories and on the narrative style.[citation needed] However, the introduction disclaims any personal views held by the author, “The opinions and philosophies expressed by the characters are not my own, except by coincidence in a few spots not worth mentioning”.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:56 amI’ve just listened to Rep. Ford’s explanation for what he would do in these special circumstanses… and I don’t understand—this is the whole Speculation base on a hypothesis malarchy that gives us an excuse to lower our bar and act like Nazis. I commend Matthews for laying into Ford and calling him to the carpet on his comments. This is an organized, structured effort for this NeoCon, nazi agenda that they are trying like crazy to sell to us. More here:
Blameblakeart.wordpress.com
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 amFord tried to do the same thing on Morning Joe. He’s a lost “lamb”, dear lord.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:18 amWhy is it so hard to understand that whether one should (or would) do something [under rather specific and peculiar circumstances] is a different question from whether it should be legal in all circumstances.
Which is once again a different question from whether it’s legal now.
I don’t see anyone pushing for a torture “exception” for TTBs only; rather they insist that it should be (or is) legal, period, just in case we want to use it for ‘only the TTB scenario’ [wink-wink].
<*SHEESH*>
Cheers,
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Janie Says:
Ford tried to do the same thing on Morning Joe. He’s a lost “lamb”, dear lord.
Please explain, a lost lamb? What lord do you refer to? And yes, this is God talking to you so you better make a good explanation of you lack of mindpower or you will have to explain yourself at the pearly gates as to why you never studied in school and never at least educated yourself to answer a question to the Almighty God!
It ok not to study, its ok not to be smart and just sit around eating cheetos playing playstation etc…
May 12th, 2009 at 1:29 amBut when you speak out. And GOD asks you a question, you better damn well not be an idiot!
So splain yourself or find yourself eternally damned playing wii
EugeneDebs, I wonder how you have the patience to deal with Proud, looktothehills, happily liberal and the other right-wingers…
May 12th, 2009 at 2:53 amjohnson44 Says:
Great work Mr. Ford! A rare lib with guts! Best wishes in your future endeavors!
do you even know what a “lib” is? and please don’t say Bush was one…haha
May 12th, 2009 at 2:54 amThis is where Ford and I part ways.
I wouldn’t vote to break the law.
Remember this Harold.
There was NO VOTE. !!!
There was conspiring corruption of the Justice Dept. to write MEMO’s that broke the law. Wrote in the cover of darkness….
May 12th, 2009 at 3:05 amhey RHF, what was it the wingnuts said? “America: love it or leave it?” so shouldn’t they leave America since Obama got into office since they want him and America to fail so that the GOP can return to power?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:09 am.
Glenn Greenwald gives an eye opener about a recent death…
The NYT’s definition of blinding American exceptionalism
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/08/torture/index.html
Of course it’s not “torture” when the USA does it, YES?
Instead, it’s only called “torture” when US service wo/men are subjected to it by other countries, YES?
Of course it’s EIT when the North Vietnamese did it to McCain, then, YES? And it was good, YES?
Greenwald closes…
Dear America,
You are broken…
… Please fix self!
.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:11 amThis is where Ford and I part ways.
By the way,
Ford should be aware. There was no vote to make torture legal. There was a conspiring courption of the justice dept.
There was nNO VOTE for Harold Ford to weigh in on.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:43 amSo is god dead now?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:29 amHarold Ford is a weasel. He’s loyal to Dick Cheney.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:41 amFord sucks. He has for awhile now.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:39 amsesli chat
May 12th, 2009 at 9:11 amseslichat
sesli sohbet
seslisohbet
thanks
9/11/2001 ~ 3000 dead. Fear factor: High around epicenters to med in midwest. Torture instigated.
9/7/1940-5/5/1941 London “Blitz”. Nightly air-raids ~ 43,000 dead. Fear factor: High throughout the British Isles. No torture.
Tell me again, Harold, how it was back in 2002-3, that feeling of fear the nation was experiencing.
You and Bill O’Reilly need to report to the principal’s office!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:24 amAnd that’s the last time i ever take that guy seriously. Can’t there be some kind of human decency litmus test we apply to our talking heads?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 amIt’s amazing to me no one accepts the fact torture was/is illegal and are giving a pass to those who authorized it! I got so sick of hearing “a nation of laws, not men!”, “The rule of law!” over a lie about a BLOWJOB!!!. But now we have people who have lied over torture, an illegal war and illegal wiretapping and all are getting to pass ‘go’ collect whatever they can and don’t worry about investigations, indictments or losing your law licenses. More proof there is a double standard when it comes to Lady Justice. With the political powerful and wealthy she is wearing a see through blindfold. Lord help the minority kid with marijuana.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:20 am“If we knew someone was going to commit a war crime, just knew it, I would have voted to approve a war crime to get that vital information out of them. This shows my values.”
“And besides, who are they going to give credible information too? Us if we torture them and are the Great Satan, or actual interrogators who use words and treat them like humans? Obviously torture is better.”
May 12th, 2009 at 10:21 amFord is doing nothing more than showing that this paradigm is institutional.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am9/11 Mastermind: “During … My Interrogation I Gave A Lot Of False Information In Order To Satisfy What I Believed The Interrogators Wished To Hear”
May 12th, 2009 at 11:40 amYou are not welcome Harold Ford.
Summed up quite nicely here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=933
May 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pmThat is by far the most intelligent comment the man has ever said.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:38 pmUnfortunately for Mr. Ford, most people consider him retarded.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pmNo shock to me.
DLC = Republican DINO’s
May 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm