Conservatives Outraged Over Release Of Torture Photos, But Not Over Actual Torture
Conservatives Outraged Over Release Of Torture Photos, But Not Over Actual Torture
On April 23, the Obama administration announced it would release hundreds of photos of detainee interrogation, obeying a court order from a lawsuit filed by the ACLU. Predictably, conservatives furious with the Obama administration’s attempt at greater transparency denounced the move. Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) wrote to President Obama asking him not to release the photos because they could inflame potential terrorists:
The release of these old photographs of past behavior that has now clearly been prohibited will serve no public good, but will empower al-Qaeda propaganda operations, hurt our country’s image, and endanger our men and women in uniform. We know that many terrorists captured in Iraq have told American interrogators that one of the reasons they decided to join the violent jihadist war against America was what they saw on Al-Qaeda videos of abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib,” wrote Graham and Lieberman.
Today, Liz Cheney, daughter of the former Vice President, decried the move as “appalling,” saying in a Fox News interview that the decision was proof Obama was aiming to “side with the terrorists”:
CHENEY: Clearly what they are doing is releasing images that show American military men and women in a very negative light. And I have heard from families of service members, from families of 9/11 victims, this question about, you know, when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really,with the terrorists?
Watch a compilation of conservatives complaining about the potential release of torture photos:
The photos of torture aren’t the root of the problem. After all — if you don’t torture, you don’t have torture photos. Notably, many of the figures decrying the release of photos have ardently defended the government’s right to torture people:
SEN. LIEBERMAN: “Most people think it’s definitely torture. The truth is, it has mostly a psychological impact on people. … [W]e ought to be able to use something like waterboarding.”
HANNITY: “I am having a hard time understanding, though, why dunking somebody’s head in water….just to scare the living daylights out of them… why would you oppose that?”
LIZ CHENEY: “[T]he tactics are not torture, we did not torture. The memos lay out the extent of exactly how far we could go before it would become torture because it was very important that we not cross that line into torture.”
LT. COL. BOB MAGINNES: “If we take away tools, whether actual tools or implied tools, from [American intelligence officials'] tool chest, and therefore undermine their potential effectiveness, then I think we hurt our whole cause.”
HUCKABEE: “It was like a carnival ride. … For example, it wasn’t that we were actually going to drown someone, but it was a simulation of it. And for that, there was in fact some information that came forth.”
In fact, Huckabee defended the utility of waterboarding within 30 seconds of agreeing with Hannity that Obama’s release of interrogation photos was “hurting our nation’s defenses.” Fox reporter Catherine Herridge said that “these pictures of humiliation” can be “a primary factor of suicide bombers.”
It’s not the pictures that recruits suicide bombers; it’s what the pictures depict. Torture — ordered by Bush and Cheney — damaged America and increased the risk of another terrorist attack, and revealing the truth of what happened doesn’t change that fact.
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Let them whine, it just proves that they’re the pro-torture party.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pmLet me get this straight–showing the evidence of a crime is actually worse than committing the crime?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pmThat’s it, don’t let people see what actually happened! It might tarnish our reputation.
Like, maybe, if we hadn’t done it, our reputation wouldn’t have been tarnished?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:33 pmIt saddens me that the country I love, served in a war for, has become so stupid, and evil.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:34 pm.
Shorter Manufactured Outrage:
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pmThe sickest part of these protests is not that these photos are being published (pretty sick in itself), they are outraged that they were caught.
Sorry, kiddies, if you didn’t do the deed, there would be no photos to squeal about.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pmWhy doesn’t Liebermann just join the pro-torture party. Dems don’t want him!
May 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pmHuckabee’s comment is the best: A carnival ride, weeeee! Can we do it again daddy?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pmCHENEY: Clearly what they are doing is releasing images that show American military men and women in a very negative light. And I have heard from families of service members, from families of 9/11 victims, this question about, you know, when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really,with the terrorists?
Yeah , I’m sure that families of service members and families of 9/11 victims are going to speak in that manner on the Obama administration , you sorry twit .
Obviously , the rotten fruit doesn’t fall far from the diseased tree………
May 12th, 2009 at 5:37 pm.
So, by their standards, referring to 9/11 and showing pictures of the events of 9/11 is far more outrageous than 9/11 was itself…
… Is this why these people refer to 9/11 and show the events of 9/11 in their propaganda ads so much?
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:37 pmCHENEY: Clearly what they are doing is releasing images that show American military men and women in a very negative light. And I have heard from families of service members, from families of 9/11 victims, this question about, you know, when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really,with the terrorists?
Quit hiding behind our service members and 9-11 families. Republicans are cowards and scum. period.
And you can’t have it both ways, if it’s ok then your should have no problem showing it, if it’s wrong to show pics of what you are doing, then you shouldn’t be doing it.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:38 pmHANNITY: “I am having a hard time understanding, though, why dunking somebody’s head in water….just to scare the living daylights out of them… why would you oppose that?”
– - Well Sean, it would certainly mess up that poofy coif of yours.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pmSee no evil
Hear no evil
Speak no evil
thus speaks the Republican Party
May 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pmSo why the outrage at the administration? For obeying a court order?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pm.
Liz Cheney is a house wife!!!
And Barney… where’s his input on the matter?
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pmProud? CFP? Where are you? let’s hear your defense of torture and your outrage that the world gets to see pics of it.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pmHANNITY: “I am having a hard time understanding…
May 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pmthat just about sums it up…
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LIE-CHEAT-STEELE
The “NEW” G(no)P
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pmBobwurst Says:
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HANNITY: “I am having a hard time understanding…
that just about sums it up…
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If this self proclaimed chickenhawk torture monger had ever served he would know that waterboarding is torture and that we convicted and executed enemy soldiers for doing it.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmThe former President and Vice President have admitted to torture. Photos can’t make it worse. There is no worse.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmThey want Obama to ignore a court order?
Why we all know that the President is above the law…wait only the previous president, unitary executive guy, is above the law…right? Which one is it?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmKeep in mind, it wasn’t really torture, except that it was only a few bad apples, except that it was legal, except that it was really effective, except that the Democrats were in on it, except that it’s all Bill Clinton’s fault.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pmOld story
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pmEye witness on the stand identifies defendant to such an extent that he recognizes subtle eye color changes and scars on hand.
Defense attorney jumps up and yells,”OBJECTION!!!!”
Judge asks defense attorney for grounds of objection
Defense attorney ponders and finally answers”Because your Honor this evidence is killing my clients defense.”
The clowns don’t like the dissemination of the torture pictures, eh?
I wonder how they enjoy the videos that were taken during teh tortures.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pmRepublican Logic:
A POLITICAL PARTY THAT ESPOUSES TORTURE IN ANY FORM DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE IN POWER. NO ONE WHO SUPPORTS TORTURE SHOULD BE HOLDING A PUBLIC OFFICE. PERIOD.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pmDon’t you think the Muslim world talks amongst itself? Don’t you think they share their horrific experiences in US custody with each other and their media?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:46 pmOkay, they want America to fail bit dont want to tarnish Americas image…but they did.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pmThe torturers, yes, anyone that supports this torture, don’t want the pictures released because it will burn into the minds of everyone who sees the pictures that, Yes we did torture.
To talk about whither it was legal or effective is just an intellectual exercise. But once the American people see pictures of what was done in OUR NAME….. the intellectual exercise is over and “We the People” will want those who order and approved these WAR CRIMES persecuted……errrr prosecuted.
“The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.” – George Orwell
May 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pmWell, if it wasnt torture how can it hurt Americas image?
Would these people make up my mind already
May 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pmOsama Bin Laden is somewhere laughing his ass off. By his attack on 911 he caused the greatest nation in the world completely dump the values that had made us great for over two hundred years. We began to torture, claim other human beings are not our equal, wire tapping our own citizens, abolish Habeas Corpus, etc. Osama doesn’t have to attack us to accomplish what he wanted to do. Bush started an unnecessary war to kill off our soldiers and took away our way of life to some degree. What part of this is so difficult to wingnuts?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pmCFP? Proud? We’re all waiting? Have you boys taken enough of a beating today? Why aren’t you denying we torture but decrying pictures of torture being released? Have we reached the limit of your cognative dissonance?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pmBriseadh na Firefly Says:
Conclusion: we must allow torture and ban pictures.
It’s the same logic(?) that says Starting war in Middle East is good, seeing caskets of fallen soldiers is bad.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmspring heeled jack Says:
Don’t you think the Muslim world talks amongst itself? Don’t you think they share their horrific experiences in US custody with each other and their media?
You have to be joking. They don’t need their media to spin anything. Ours is covering the bragging well enough.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmThis clears up alot about what the Christian Base means by Christian Values/Morals. Now it’s strange none of this is what God says but more like Satan. As the Christian Base prays in Church and we know it’s Satan that’s running the show.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmBriseadh na Firefly Says:
Republican Logic:
Torture keeps America safe. Torture is good.
Pictures of those tortured harms America. Pictures of torture is bad.
Conclusion: we must allow torture and ban pictures.
This is exactly what describes the Republican way of thinking.
Doing things in order to keep a country safe is advantageous for the country, but that doesn’t justify it as legal on the global scale. If that was the case, every country would have a legal justification for genocide, declarations of war, and occupation.
And no, I am not suggesting that torture is as bad as those items nor are they meant to be lumped into the same category, as there needs to be two sides to every issue. Dismissing these interrogations as not torture is only one perception of the matter.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmkasinca Says:
Osama Bin Laden is somewhere laughing his ass off. By his attack on 911 he caused the greatest nation in the world completely dump the values that had made us great for over two hundred years
I agree for the most part, but not all of us are so morally bankrupt. If Obama won’t do anything, he’ll lose the next election. We can pressure our congresscritters and vote them out of office as well.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pmRepublicans are so stupid! They cant find their way out of a wet paperbag with a hole cut in it on the left side> They only know how to look to the right!
May 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pmMORONS!
purple state says:
. If that was the case, every country would have a legal justification for genocide, declarations of war, and occupation.
And no, I am not suggesting that torture is as bad as those items nor are they meant to be lumped into the same category
They are all equally bad. Killing for no reason is bad, whether it’s one or one million. We need to draw that line and keep it drawn.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pmCOProgressive,
Don’t you mean…
… Fixing the facts around the “policy” is good, but the DowningStreet Memos are bad?
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pmAll repugnicans are all out trying to prevent having the like Global courts decide cases in Pennsylvania!
Voters in Pennsylvania, wtf? Why should they have a vote in the Global courts. They dont get that they need to sede soveriegntry of the USA to the Globe
May 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pmThe Obama administration announced it would release hundreds of photos of detainee interrogation, obeying a court order
Wow! The Executive Branch of OUR government obeying a court order! What a concept! And here I thought there was a still standing Bush Presidential Signing Statement that said the Executive Branch was above the law.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pmGlobal communism is the only way in the future!
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pmRepublican talking point:
Hate the torture pictures, love the torturing.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pmLisa Ft. Worth
Yes that is exactly right it was supposed to remain our dirty little secret. The Iraqis for instance never KNEW they were tortured until we released the photos.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pmWon’t they be outraged no matter what Obama does on the subject? If the court order was to not release the photos, they’d be outraged because he was breaking his promise to be more transparent.
The outrage from the con-men is that Obama is President and making decisions.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pm“when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really, with the terrorists”?
Only an insecure and nationalistic boob would say something like that. There is so much wrong with that and the false assumptions this nit wit has baked into that statement. Ditz Cheney was pretty high up in the State Dept., correct? No wonder the last 8 years were so screwed up, with the Cheney fools running things. I mean Deadeye Dick has pretty much been tragically wrong about everything. When do we get to vote the entire Cheney clan off the island?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:06 pmThe fact that these right-wingnuts advocated “torture” but when they see the results of their advocacy they want to “cry foul.”
These Muslim extremist already knew that detainees being held by American’s were being “tortured” with or without the photos.
All I wanna see now is the Torture Administration in jail for their war crimes.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pmPurple State Says:
Dismissing these interrogations as not torture is only one perception of the matter.
No. There isn’t any other perception of the matter. Waterboarding IS torture. It was done in OUR NAME and in the name of The United States of America. Torture in OUR NAME puts America in the same class of countries as Cambodia under Pol Pot, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, and the Soviet Union under Stalin and now The United States of America under George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
Cheney and Bush, thank you very much for soiling America’s good name.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pmThe USA is just evil, lets just admit it! We have them torturing, most of the people are obese and lazy and eat everyting in sight.
I mean the USA is just a disgusting stain on the world. Lets just admit we hate the USA and be done with it.
We should all move out and move to other countries, then what would be left of the USA?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pmThere you are, CFP. So if everything has been legal, why not publish the photos?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pmBrotha.left.Brotha.right.–you’re a busy little rabbit.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pmAre conservatives outraged over the fact that a child can turn on the TV machine and see half-naked women? How about TV shows that desensitize gun violence? How about corrupt politicians? How about gangs and drive-by shootings taking the lives of innocent kids and families? How about the fact that a kid can type “sex” in Google and gain access to thousands of porn sites? How about THESE issues?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pmNancy Pelosi masturbated to the waterboarding photos she admitted on Fox news. I just saw it
May 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pmThat’s so very typical of those pathetic reichwing fools.
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spring heeled jack Says:
Brotha.left.Brotha.right.–you’re a busy little rabbit.
well I try lol
May 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pmCFP, don’t you want to know what’s being done in your name?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
You speak as if “obeying a court order” or “disobeying a court order” are the only two options. Ever hear of “appealing a court order?”
I don’t know, or care, where you got that from, stupid troll. The issue is international law, U.S. law, and numerous treaties. “Court orders” have nothing to do with it.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI could have sworn Cheney stated that he WANTED more information released ‘to prove’ that ‘enhanced interrogations’ [torture] really worked and that they got information that PREVENTED another attack from happening on our soil. He did NOT SPECIFY the ‘type’ of data that should be released. Moreover, if he and his criminal gang DID NOT TORTURE, what problem is there in having as much information as possible put before the public for discussion? After all, he said they had done NOTHING WRONG, HE WAS PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE, AND HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN! Now let the public decide by releasing ALL the info be it photos, memos or other documents.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
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spring heeled jack Says:
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There you are, CFP. So if everything has been legal, why not publish the photos?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
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Because terrorists will use them for propoganda — not that you would care about that.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
So , committing torture which is a crime , really isn’t a crime if it’s kept classified ?
Thanks , Richard Nixon , Jr ……..
BTW
You believe those who were abused and were guilty of NOTHING , aren’t going to spread that type of “propoganda” amongst their own people ?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pmYes, MAHIVA #59!!! Father and daughter are not simpatico on talking points!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:16 pmSo, now Conseratives are finally admitting, (a) that our torturing people was an excellent recruiting tool for al Qaeda, (b) there IS something wrong with torture, and (c) what was done was torture. But, if we don’t SEE the torture, we can deny it happened (like the fact that forbidding pictures of dead soldiers coming home in flag draped coffins helps us to ignore the fact that soldiers are coming home dead).
If there is nothing wrong with what was being done, there’s no harm in the world seeing is……………….
May 12th, 2009 at 6:16 pm“it”
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
I mean the USA is just a disgusting stain on the world. Lets just admit we hate the USA and be done with it.
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Actually, Cheney and Bush and the conservatives put the disgusting stain on America to the rest of the world with their bad policies.
Bush/Cheney can’t rewrite this.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pmTerrorists don’t need pictures to hate us, stupid troll. Not when they can visit the graves of their innocent loved ones.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pmBecause terrorists will use them for propoganda — not that you would care about that.
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um news flash idiot… they already have. These aren’t the first photos ever released.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pmWait a second, strapping a child for 14 hours a day to make nikes and rugs is ok for us liberals.
But pouring a bucket of water on the guys that killed 3000 bankers is torture?
I hate bankers as much as the next liberal, but really, why do we have Kathy Lee and the rest of americans buying slave labor stuff and you wring your hands about these guys?
Cmon guys, lets care more about child labor than terrorists. It may cost you a bit more not to buy all of your clothing from child slave labor. But then again, every dime counts and us liberals want to not work b/c we decided early on not to study or pay attention in class and therefore have no skills.
So lets rape child laborers
May 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pmMadasHelinVA @ 60
I heard the same thing from Cheney and Lawrence Ari Fleischer?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pmrightwing-leftwing, this guy’s killing your rep.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:21 pmI have never approved of such things just as I never approved of Delays petri dish of capitalism in the Mariannas[sweatshop]
May 12th, 2009 at 6:21 pmbecause the photo could inflame potential terrorists ?
Isn’t an earlier today item from TP having Cheney saying that ending torture encourages terrorists.
COME ON TP, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. DOES TORTURE ENCOURAGE OR DISCOURAGE TERRORISTS ???????
/snark
May 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
You speak as if “obeying a court order” or “disobeying a court order” are the only two options. Ever hear of “appealing a court order?”
May 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pm=======
Have you ever heard of an “appeal being overturned?”
right.wing.leftwing Says:
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May 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Are you some sort of parody writer ?
Your entire post is nothing but pure , unadulterated bullshit….
May 12th, 2009 at 6:23 pmThose terrorists didnt survive the impact.
George Bush said America does not torture. Did you agree with that?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
Nancy Pelosi masturbated to the waterboarding photos she admitted on Fox news. I just saw it
May 12th, 2009 at 6:26 pm=======
….and Cheney just had another heart attack.
right.wing.leftwing Says:
So lets rape child laborers
Someday right.wing.leftwing’s going to say something that makes total sense. It might take a day or ten thousand years, but someday he’ll say it.
But no one’s going to care.
How are your kidneys holding up, brotha?
/snark
May 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pmXisithrus Says:
Wait a second, strapping a child for 14 hours a day to make nikes and rugs is ok for us liberals.
I have never approved of such things just as I never approved of Delays petri dish of capitalism in the Mariannas[sweatshop]
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you sit on the internet like a MotherHen, disapproving, approving blah, blah, blah. But youve never done anything to stop it and you never will.
You are the willing participant with your 3 monkeys philosophy of no evil. Yet you cant see what the evil you are all a part of.
There is no greater evil in the history of the world than the USA.
Greater the Stalin Era, Greater than Nazi Germany.
You lie like a rug that you have some child laborer in India make for you for peanuts while chained to the wheel!
Your willing blindness so you can sit on the internet and randomly say you approve or disapprove while turning a blind eye to that of the Indian children forced into labor camps to make you cheap things.
You sound like the Nazi Guards at Nuremberg. You either didnt know or you were just following orders.
Either way, you have no defense!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pmright.wing.leftwing is God’s sock puppet, a.k.a. brotha______ (fill in the blank. he has several) He likes namejacking, robotripping, pontificating, “saving lives” on-line as an imaginary doctor, and skipping school.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pmPurple State Says:
right.wing.leftwing Says:
So lets rape child laborers
Someday right.wing.leftwing’s going to say something that makes total sense. It might take a day or ten thousand years, but someday he’ll say it.
But no one’s going to care.
How are your kidneys holding up, brotha?
/snark
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Better than yours, but even if you had kidney failure, you’d fly to India and buy a new one from a peasant like the evil patront of an evil state that you are.
You buy people, you buy their bodyparts, you enslave people, but its out of your sight.
Its not out of your soul!
You cry about what republicans do, yet you are both the same halves of the same evil. You are no different. Your hollywood pollutes the world, your desire wealth rapes the world.
You are the biggest evil that the world has ever known and you will be judged upon it
May 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
Wait a second, strapping a child for 14 hours a day to make nikes and rugs is ok for us liberals.
But pouring a bucket of water on the guys that killed 3000 bankers is torture?
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THIS PERSON IS ABOUT AS FULL OF CHENEY/BUSH BULLSHIT.
They never heard of CorpWatch I bet.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pmSure I do, you make up all kinds of crazy things you think I think and then project your crystal ball craziness unto me to rationalize said crystal ball craziness.
I dont need a defense when Im dealing with fake crystal ball craziness.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:36 pmThe USA is imploding under its own gluttonous! You consume and eat and consume and destroy!
You are unhealthy, the majority of you are obese! Most of you do not walk more than a hundred metres a day.
I think you are the most laziest nation in the history of man. Your diabestes is skyrocketing, heart disease. Most of you just sit on the internet all day and do not move.
The USA, under the weight of its own existential laziness and need for fatty foods. Will reach a tipping point. Where the majority of Americans cannot work b/c of their own obesity.
WHo then will pay taxes? Who then will fund social security? Your country is doomed by its own excesses!
You cannot deny that your country is a failed nation!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:40 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
The USA is imploding under its own gluttonous!
Gluttonous what?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pmLeave it to Graham and Lieberman [I'm shocked to find that McSame didn't put his 2 cents into this quagmire since Graham and Lieberman are attached to him at the hips], BTW, I thought Lieberman was a Dem, but in his evil heart he is a THUG through and through. Everyone one of the above-mentioned neo-cons are only looking to get their names in the papers so no one forgets how important they think they are.
But now they have ONE MORE EXCUSE for their actions of torture and that is SOME AMERICANS ARE SIDING WITH TERRORISTS. But since they claim they did NOTHING WRONG, why is ’siding’ an issue at all? Americans are ’siding’ with terrorists – of all the excuses they have thus far cited, his has to be the most unnerving of all as they will now be able to place ‘GUILT’ you know the type of guilt a Jewish mother can place on her offspring] on those of us who have said and will continue to say, ‘TORTURE IS ILLEGAL’ under our laws.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pmCHENEY: Clearly what they are doing is releasing images that show American military men and women in a very negative light. And I have heard from families of service members, from families of 9/11 victims, this question about, you know, when did it become so fashionable for us to side, really,with the terrorists?
So, when the Bush Administration released the original pictures, they were siding with the terrorists?
President Obama is obeying a court order. That is what good politicians do, they obey court orders and respect the law.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pmOnly if you’re not paying attention. All you have to do is scan one of the troll’s borderline-illiterate posts to know that it’s a fraud.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
Better than yours, but even if you had kidney failure, you’d fly to India and buy a new one from a peasant like the evil patront of an evil state that you are.
You buy people, you buy their bodyparts, you enslave people, but its out of your sight.
Its not out of your soul!
You cry about what republicans do, yet you are both the same halves of the same evil. You are no different. Your hollywood pollutes the world, your desire wealth rapes the world.
You are the biggest evil that the world has ever known and you will be judged upon it
Eh, Wanda was funnier. I give it a D-.
Note, r.w.lw, I didn’t shoot you down for your comments about slave labor. I too find it an outrage and try to judge my purchases on companies that do not use such practices. I shot you down because you followed a sensible comment that ought to have merit (i.e. doing something about slave labor) by using an idiotic solution to the problem (raping child laborers).
Here’s something that you ought to do: judge a person by coming to their house, breaking bread with them, discussing a topic, then shaking their hand later and thanking them for their input and hospitality, even if the point of view is not your own. Don’t enter that house with a flare gun and kerosine.
And I would like you to come up to me and say what you just said. Because if my kidneys failed, I would use ethical practices. I wouldn’t illegally borrow from other cultures, and I certainly wouldn’t use some of the black-market practices used in America.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:42 pmThose are some F’ed up comments by Hannity, Lieberman, Huckabee and the rest. A carnival ride?, Just scare the living daylights? Are these people Americans? Apparently Hannity and Huckabee were dropped a few too many times on their heads as babies or they themselves were waterboarded, a little too long.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pm? Mamas’ don’t let your babies grow up to be republicans… ?
Xisithrus Says:
Either way, you have no defense!
Sure I do, you make up all kinds of crazy things you think I think and then project your crystal ball craziness unto me to rationalize said crystal ball craziness.
I dont need a defense when Im dealing with fake crystal ball craziness.
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Well then whats the fun of having a crystal ball?
Wait, are crystal balls as evil as repugnicans? If so Ill throw mine away immediately and converse on the same level of ad-hominem attacks, like, your a pussy dude!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pmThat’s a very good list. You could also add, “begging liberals for attention.”
May 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pmPurple State Says:
So can I count you in on that circle-jerk webcam at 9pm est?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pmThis example of what constitutes outrage is what is wrong with us. I think that they do not want to see what they approve.
It’s much easier to think of what goes on at a distance. People that approve torture think of it as something like a movie and thereby diminishes any accountability. And after all the people that torture and the people that are tortured are strangers. And it’s an unpleasant thing, but someone has to do it. Right?
There is no legal ambiguity about torture. And there is no moral ambiguity. If we are going to be outraged about the something, it should be the right thing. These conservative and family values guardians for America. The conservatives in this country possess a sliding scale for right and wrong. And most especially for what is legal. As for me, I like knowing what is legal or illegal does not change when things become inconvenient. Matters of conscience are an individual thing. But the law is the law.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pmGee, your like the amazing Kreskin!!
So what are you worth?
Wow, I am just freaking right the frack out, you know everything!
Watch the watch, back and forth, you are sleepy, sleepy I say, on the count of three you will become a troll one…two….three
Your my slave damnit! Get back in my sght!
No, my sould is in my body until you destroy the world you hate, killing millions, so I can float off into the ether.
No, I generally laugh..
Thats weird, why would two halves that are the same need to split up?
I own Hollywood! Im Rich! Get over here Brotha so I can give you some paper cuts with my fiat falafel!
Judge not lest you be judged
May 12th, 2009 at 6:47 pmwait wait…isnt al-queda going to magically keep sprouting members and attacking us no matter what we do?
i though that was their meme as to why it didnt matter whether the entire world hated us or not? wow, these people can’t keep a consistent idea going for any longer than steven hawking could dribble a basketball. do these morons not realize that for every photograph that exists of us torturing people theres probably thousands of dead and maimed women and children killed by american bombs that we cant censor? somehow, the idea that the iraq was has, without a doubt, provided millions of great terrorist recruiting tool photo ops is lost on these same people who are whining and crying about us finally coming clean about what our last government was up to…
May 12th, 2009 at 6:48 pmLT. COL. BOB MAGINNES: “If we take away tools, whether actual tools or implied tools, from [American intelligence officials'] tool chest, and therefore undermine their potential effectiveness, then I think we hurt our whole cause.”
You can put a monkey in a uniform, but he’s still a monkey.
What an effective tool for interrogation? Show them pictures of Sirhan Sirhan, and tell them how long he’s been in US prison, with no chance of parole. Ask them if they said goodby to their families before they were captured, and then tell them they will never see freedom, if they do not co-operate. To them, that’s worse than death, because they will realize they will never see their families again, though they will live out their full lives in solitary confinement in an American prison.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmIm gonna go lie on the floor, in a fetal position, hugging my knees into my chest and sob uncontrollably for hours while rolling from side to side, I hope my neighbors dont hear me dying slowly from your words.
NOT!!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmOops, make that “Want.”
May 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmHUCKABEE: “It was like a carnival ride. … For example, it wasn’t that we were actually going to drown someone, but it was a simulation of it. And for that, there was in fact some information that came forth.”
And THIS man was running for President?!!!! OMG, what has this nation come to…….I feel like I’m living in a fictitious country from some alternate immoral universe where bad is good and good is bad……..maybe The Twilight Zone?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:55 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
You are unhealthy, the majority of you are obese! Most of you do not walk more than a hundred metres a day.
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Have you traveled around the country and taken an accurate poll/head count of all us progressives to find the fatties because not all of us qualify?
Furthermore, you apparently have nothing to contribute to the article so you throw this sh*t out hoping some of it will stick and now that you know it hasn’t, you can take your STENCH and leave. Seems like you need to go to school to improve your language skills which would help you much more in life than slinging sh*t around on intelligent blogs.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
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Because terrorists will use them for propoganda — not that you would care about that.
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The terrorists were in the Bush Crime Family and they are not in the White House any longer.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:58 pmThere is a vile sickness in this country and they have an (R) by their names.
The stench of Republicans is overwhelming.
Fcuk the Republicans
May 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pmDear Liz Cheney,
I am holding my middle finger, using my other hand, taller and wider and closer to your face than you would like.
Your dad is a facist phuck. Period.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:00 pmThey don’t need pictures, Cheney and his daughter, Limbaugh and the Fox hacks are all over talking about how this isn’t torture but whatever it was kept us safe. You think the terrorists don’t get video? These people show no remorse whatsoever they justify it. So what’s the problem.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pmOkay, so why were we attacked, by Osama, a Saudi, who recruited others, if none had been tortured yet?
Cheney says its the policies for being the reason we were attacked.
Robertson says its cause of the gays.
Bush says its because we are free.
Oh noes, freedom can be used to recruit terrorists!!
May 12th, 2009 at 7:04 pmLooks like Brotha-whatever is “trying” to hijack my monkier, (rightwing-leftwing) again. I guess I feel …. honored?
:?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pmHe’ll be stealing a different name any minute. I remember when TP kicked namejackers out of here.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pm#
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MadasHelinVA Says:
Oh look, another groupthink sheeple has learned to make an ad-hominem attack!
Wow! Never been personally attacked on this blog before
The line for the lemmings starts over there. It points towards the cliff that has the big sign of Obama’s 1.8 trillion dollar deficit sign is next to.
You know the one that is 4 times larger than Bush’s record setting 4.24 trillion 2008 record setting budget deficit.
So for every dollar the US is spending under Obama’s MASSIVE deficit. 50 cents of each dollar is borrowed. Mainly from china.
How’s that going to work out in the long term I ask you sheeple?
Anyone, anyeone, Bueller?
USA, cant spend its way out of a deficit. Runaway inflation, runaway interest rates. Its economics 101. If any of you studied you would know this.
But NO, you want free stuff and cheap. You have no skills, no more jobs. Its a house of cards.
USA is done for
May 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS, OUR WAY OF LIFE…
… And so THEY(sic) have lobbied, debated and attempted to legislate away our FREEDOMS and Founding Principles.
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May 12th, 2009 at 7:11 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
rightwing-leftwing Says:
Looks like Brotha-whatever is “trying” to hijack my monkier, (rightwing-leftwing) again. I guess I feel …. honored?
He’ll be stealing a different name any minute. I remember when TP kicked namejackers out of here.
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Your just jealous I have not nicked Doodlebug-idiot-leghumper yet.
I am from india. Your country outsourced all of your skilled technical jobs here. YOu have no skills and neither do the people that run the blog.
I can come and say what I want to say about how the USA is evil anytime I want.
You fascists anti-free speech retards cannot stop me!
May 12th, 2009 at 7:12 pmMr. right.wing.leftwing, (aka brothabill)
Please don’t come here anymore. I thought you were going to leave? Please leave us now. You bring sad feelings to my heart and I don’t want to feel that way anymore.
Thanks.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pm.
rightwing-leftwing,
I already flagged him for:
1) Troll baiting
2) Name jacking
3) Gay bashing
I can safely say that this person is G(no)P’ing all over the board.
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May 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm#117, thanks.
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Max Anax junius -1 Says:
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rightwing-leftwing,
I already flagged him for:
1) Troll baiting
2) Name jacking
3) Gay bashing
HIFI! You just your hall monitor prestigious badge! Now go on and be the being dufus on the face of the planet as you can be!
FLAG AMERICA!
Lol, what a reverse–troll. Someone so big as a d**che proudly listing how much of a D**che he his lol
Yeah, I am here for ever now.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pmrightwing-leftwing Says:
#117, thanks.
I didnt gay-bash you, queer lol
May 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pmI made no mention that you are a flaming homosexual but apparent anal-luingist knows somethine we dont know about you. Afterall, anallingus should know that given his name and his “protection” over his b*atch lol
I heard a similar report on Wanda Sykes eating fried chicken and throwin watermelon at Obama at the new Black House.
Seems all the pretentiousness is out the window. There’s a new Sheriff of RockRidge in town.
Mongo just pawn in game of life
May 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pmSo the Scottish doctor with a wife in Australia is now in India because thats where our skilled labor went.
So, Brahman, how big is the cubicle you sit in all day? Do you take drive thru orders for Wendies?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:31 pmOr are you one of those AOL tech support gurus that dont know anything??
May 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pm.
Nothing says a spiteful hate filled rant like right.wing.leftwing, eh?
And it claims we’re the ill willed bunch. Go figure.
I hear Kodak needs another projectionist.
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May 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pmYeh, thats why they attacked during a republican majority house and senate and while (R) Dick and (R) George sat in the White House.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pmLIAR!
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So the Scottish doctor with a wife in Australia is now in India because thats where our skilled labor went.
So, Brahman, how big is the cubicle you sit in all day? Do you take drive thru orders for Wendies?
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You must have me confused sir. I am no physician. I am technical director for Dell of computer support.
Brahman is a part of the Hindu religion as any online search can tell you.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pmBeing an Indian Hindu does not equate us to your fast food workers with little education.
I am sorry you are so racist sir
awwwwwwww, poor little irrelevent goopers, pissing and whining about the photos of their “enhanced interrogation methods” making it harder for them to sell their happy horseshit that it’s not torture.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pmI hate Dells
May 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pmActually I saw a special on TV where hi-speed internet is used so people, in other countries, can take fast food orders…more outsourcing of our high tech jobs…I didnt mention race, but country.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:40 pm.
Dear (R)ushpublickin’s,
Remember this one?
“I am not gay. I have never been gay.”
… with the subtext of – just don’t let the public see my plea to sexually cruising men in a public restroom.
Same but different, YES?
Deny the facts for what they are, FACTS. Instead, assert the facts not to be facts but instead, a misunderstanding…
… “I DON’T RECALL! HONESTLY, I DON’T RECALL”
… “I swore an oath to the President, sir.”
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May 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmi wonder if lynn cheney will be singing the same tune when they perp walk her old man into court? the only reason this mediawhore gets any face time is because her old man got her the job not because she has any particular skill or talent. she’s just a high end welfare queen.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmHUCKABEE: “It was like a carnival ride. … For example, it wasn’t that we were actually going to drown someone, but it was a simulation of it. And for that, there was in fact some information that came forth.”
The Reverend Huckster….torturing human beings for jeebus. Un-fcuking believable.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmIt wasn’t Democrats that ordered the torture. It is the torture that emboldens terrorists not the pictures. Especially when Cheney and his daughter are all over television bragging about what was done.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/05/12/libya.al.qaeda.prisoner/index.html
“Al Qaeda figure who provided link to Iraq reportedly dead in Libya”
Story Highlights
•Accused terrorist said he was tortured into saying Iraqis trained al Qaeda operatives
•Rights group adviser: Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi’s testimony key to U.S. invasion of Iraq
•Senate panel: Al-Libi recanted story after invasion; no other evidence supported it
•Libyan newspaper says he committed suicide in prison; rights group seeks inquiry
May 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pmlolol, you guys are so stupid, its like fishing for bluegills. YOu fish will eat anything and then try and attack me for it.
Ahhahahaa, you hate dells. Good for you, you are like every fat American whose ever bought a dell
God you guys are dumb and easy to play with, meanwhile the thread is ruined by your ad-hominem attacks
May 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pmI love you Bozo…you nailed it!
“she’s just a high end welfare queen”…perfect!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 7:48 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
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look guys bill is back! He just can’t get enough :)
May 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmi don’t think this is what the doctors had in mind for self-esteem building exercises, Bill.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pmCalling a shitstain a “shitstain” is not an ad hominem. It’s a simple description.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pmright.wing.leftwing Says:
Purple State Says:
So can I count you in on that circle-jerk webcam at 9pm est?
With you? Sorry, man. Have fun without me.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pmChocolate Jesus,
Looks like the “fixed facts around the policy” just committed suicide.
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May 12th, 2009 at 8:07 pmBy the way, wasn’t brothabill going to shut this website down by himself? Still waiting for that to happen.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:08 pm.
Dear right.wing.leftwing TROLL,
I’m writting to you on my Dell P.C.
I love it!!!
It PWNS you just as easy as a MAC.
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May 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm.
Looks like brothabill got himself a new name to jack…
… Eh happy liberal?
p.s. happy liberal,
I’ll flag him for ya.
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May 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pmIf there is nothing wrong with torture then there is nothing wrong with showing the evidence of torture.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
Looks like brothabill got himself a new name to jack…
… Eh happy liberal?
p.s. happy liberal,
I’ll flag him for ya.
When I suggested he do the “circle-jerk” thing himself, I didn’t think he’d jack a name and literally do it to himself.
Really, if he thinks he’s succeeding at hijacking the “thread”, all he’s doing is interrupting our thoughts, not those of the articles’ writers. All he’s doing is getting a rise from his own stroked ego when in reality it’s a very very small ego.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:29 pmkevanlove,
EIT’s… its EIT’s!
Calling it EIT’s makes it O.K.
“America does not torture.”
… EIT’s, not so much.
See, now we’re all supposed to look the oth er wa..y… oh hey, who won “Dancing With The Stars?”
Makes me want to give Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington, Rice, Rumsfeld a great big hug-a-thon filled with cuddly fluffy kittens and a side of ice cream…
… See, call TORTURE what ever you want and it’s O.K. No one cares, then, NO?
/major snark
May 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pmIt looks like republicans are all about torture. Should have known. won’t get fooled again.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pmPurple State,
I’m not strokin’ any one’s ego or what have you for their pleasure.
This poster has a history of bigotry, hate, vile speech, and threats against this site. I don’t stroke that kind of jacker…
… Or his ego.
We all see him for what he is.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pmWhat a bigot you are rhf.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pmAmericans have known about this torture for years. Let’s face it, Americans are swine. They are people without souls.
They are a society of know nothings who care only about themselves and can’t co-operate with others or reason intelligently. I’ve lived here all of my life and have always hated Americans. You meet people from other countries. They have a sense of community. They could have been born in a pile of mud but somehow they have managed to get an education.
What other nation on the earth would have voted for a corrupt half wit like Bush???
May 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pmSo, if releasing pictures emboldens al-qaeda, what happens when the VP admits on Sunday Morning Gab shows that our P authorized this torture?
Let me guess. That somehow saves American lives.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm.
Barbi520 = bildohbro = brothabil
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May 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pmHey, don’t blame the people that tried to vote Bush out. You’d have to go to Redstate.com for that.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pmMax:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pmYep. That appears to be the case. I still would love to know why somehow who hates America and Americans, and is married to an Aussie wife, is still here?
Yeah President Obama should appeal the court order then the reichwing nuts could imply he’s guilty like they’re doing to Pelosi because she didn’t blab classified information.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pmBarbi520 = bildohbro = brothabil
What’s the difference? The only important issue is that he’s such a coward he can’t admit to being a red state Repube. What a coward!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmCheney is dead center of the torture program.
George W. Bush ‘basically’ signed off on it.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pmBarbi520 Says:
Americans have known about this torture for years. Let’s face it, Americans are swine. They are people without souls.
They are a society of know nothings who care only about themselves and can’t co-operate with others or reason intelligently. I’ve lived here all of my life and have always hated Americans.
I think this is where a fellow conservative would tell you, “America, love it or leave it.”
But I’m not a conservative. So I will simply say that your over-generalization of Americans is, to say the least, inaccurate. In fact, the reason this blog exists is because the people who started it and the community of posters who come here do care about other people. I believe you are forgetting the stereotype of us liberals as “bleeding hearts”. If you’ve encountered primarily selfish people, then you have met some of our American conservatives. They are not like us. We care. Even about you.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
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Barbi520 = bildohbro = brothabil
Analingus, hahaha! I am in your head now! You will see shadows and bogeyman and paranoia will reign.
When you read any intelligent comment, in the newspaper, on a blog, hear it on tv.
You will think Brothabill was behind it!
Muhahahaha! Your brain is so weak
May 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pmtbone,
May 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pmbecause he lives in India working an outsourced US job.
“Conservatives Outraged Over Release Of Torture Photos, But Not Over Actual Torture”
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Americans outraged over the torture policies of the Cheney/Bush Administration. They pursued this to protect us?
I suggest that every last piece of evidence of the torture years be released. These courageous warriors struggling to protect America, lets see what the work of these perverted wimps really looks like.
The real outrage is they tortured in my name to protect me.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pmHappily Ignorant being a braindead brainwashed moronic troll but of COURSE he is never anything else
May 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pmHappily Ignorant is a cowardly PUNK just like most conservatives. Ignorant, brainwashed cowards.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pmBrothaMoron this new nick will also do nothing to alleviate the sadness, and emptyness of your pathetic existence
May 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm.
right.wing.leftwing said:
Oh no, I’ll never confuse my dildo with you, bildohbro, even when it is behind me. One feels good, you, not so much.
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May 12th, 2009 at 11:13 pmStep Right UP !!
Be the first conservative torture apologist to ‘take the plunge’ !
It’s only a little harmless ‘dunking’, a mere carnival ride !
And, for Hannity, or any other Gutless ChickenShit ChickenHawk that braves the GITMO waterboard KO will pay $1000 a second to military families charities !
So, Lynn Cheney > step right up !
Sean Hannity > step right up !
Glen ‘Herr’ Beck > step right up !
Joe LIEberman > step right up !
Whatta Dick Cheney > step right up !
Rush LimpBalls > step right up !
Come on folks it’s for the troops… there’s no line…
hmmm….
May 12th, 2009 at 11:20 pm.
FBI Whistleblower Testimony: Gonzales Imposed Brutal Interrogation Tactics
Ali Soufan Also To Testify CIA Torture Program Architect Was Unqualified
By MATTHEW COLE
May 12, 2009—
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=7560666
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May 13th, 2009 at 12:01 am.
happily liberal,
Don’tcha mean, “Polly want a cracker?”
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May 13th, 2009 at 12:02 amWhat I find disturbing is that ‘we’ have been torturing by proxy for years, primarily by exporting ‘our’ knowledge of torture and financial backing for tortuous regimes…before bush & cheney came to town.
The CIA, USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy, The International Republican Institute, the Ford Foundation among others, have all, in one way or another, contributed to Torture Inc.
I find it sad that ‘we’ as a country aren’t more aware of ‘our’ own history in regards to torture and how it has been used, by proxy or otherwise to subjugate populations that were opposed to our corporatist policies and/or the policies of regimes backed by our govt.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:06 amHere’s something to think about regarding the fact that our actions are creating more terrorists.
If you had a family member that had been tortured, which situation would make you more willing to want to attack and kill the torturers?
A. The captors’ government continued the torturing.
B. The captors’ government denounced the torturing, released images showing the torture, and announced they were ending the practice.
I think most of us know the answer.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:15 amI’m freakin’ outraged by torture and by the photos. Not the release of the photos, or the memos. I’m outraged by the torture.
And I’m pretty pissed at the elected Democrats who keep standing off to the side murmuring “How do we deal with this?”
Deal with it as the moral failure it has been. Stand up and say “hell no, we won’t torture anymore. We were scared and made stupid decisions.” Now is the time to own up to it, bring in the sunshine, and then move on.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:15 amI love the hypocracy of fox news! the whole time that they claim the the photos will make us unsafe the show the released photos on fox news. And when more photos are released, they would pay for an exclusive on their release if they could. HYPOCRATES!!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 1:47 amMy impression, thus far, is that they tortured people to get false confessions to justify an illegal invasion that they planned before 9/11.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:58 amwiley Says:
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My impression, thus far, is that they tortured people to get false confessions to justify an illegal invasion that they planned before 9/11.
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I totally agree – and even more than that. These people attempted and are continuing to attempt to make their torture legal. The pictures need to be released. The people need to know who knew what and when they knew it. And we need to hear what the tortured and the torturers have to say. Just think, if McCain had stolen another election these creeps may have started going after us. Or maybe part of the motivation was to terrify and silence us.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:14 amDo any of these people that feel releasing the pictures is very bad and terrorists will learn how to withstand torture because the release has shown them what to expect?
Well, what about those tortured and released ?
Won’t they return home and tell of there experience at the hands of American torturers?
May 13th, 2009 at 2:20 amHouse No. 2: Explore Pelosi interrogation briefing
By LARRY MARGASAK – 8 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s assertion that she wasn’t informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader.
Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., called Republican challenges to Pelosi’s assertion a diversion from the real question of whether the Bush administration tortured terrorist suspects. Nonetheless, he acknowledged the controversy should be resolved.
Democrats will hold a series of hearings on Justice Department memos released last month that justified rough tactics against detainees, including waterboarding — simulated drowning — and sleep deprivation.
While Democrats want the hearings to focus on what they call torture, Republicans have tried to turn the issue to their advantage by complaining that Pelosi and other Democrats knew of the tactics but didn’t protest. Pelosi was briefed in 2002 while on the House Intelligence Committee.
Hoyer, asked at a news conference whether Democrats were inviting political problems for themselves by holding hearings, said, “I think the facts need to get out.
“I think the Republicans are simply trying to distract the American public with who knew what when. My response to that is, look, the issue is not what was said or what was known; the question and focus ought to be on what was done.”
But he added that the controversy over “what was said and when it was said, who said it … is probably what ought to be on the record as well.”
Hoyer also was asked whether he believes Pelosi’s support has been undermined among Democrats.
“No, I don’t,” he said.
A Senate Judiciary subcommittee holds the first hearing on the interrogation policy on Wednesday, but has scheduled testimony unrelated to the Pelosi matter.
A CIA document made public last week shows that Pelosi received a briefing in September 2002 on the tactics used on Abu Zubaydah, an al-Qaida leader and one of three prisoners subjected to waterboarding. Pelosi said she was told the agency was discussing its legal right to use the tactic in the future.
“We were not — I repeat — were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used,” said Pelosi, D-Calif.
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Whats funny is Nancy Pelosi, quite the most horrid person besides Bush and Cheney
Approved of the waterboarding.
Jane Harman, who is democrat who tried to get Israeli groups to give money to Pelosi, her rival so that Harman could become head of the House Intelligence agency.
Harman months later after receiving the same briefing as Pelosi. Said “No WAY”
And personally wrote a letter asking if the President was involved. Pelosi would not attach her name to it.
LMAO, if you dont think that all of your govt. is involved in this torture. Pelosi certainly was.
Then let all of the memos out on intelligence on the issues and let the PEOPLE decide.
Selectively releasing a few memos to say Bush was bad is like groupthink here just cherrypicking stories for college freshman to mind control them into the “groupthink”
If you want to know the truth about the USA, dont selectively release memos. Let is all come out!
Then you will realize how horrible the USA is and why it should die a much deserved death. As it will. And should and how raping of Latin Americans and INdia/asia is not tolerable to feed your fat obese faces.
You are all complicite in this scam, like all Nazi guards. Everyone of you, every single American should stand before the court of the world and explain how you let this go on!
May 13th, 2009 at 2:22 amI doubt you will want that. A nation of cowards and lazy tards. The world will be better off without you
HappilyIgnorant spews more idiocy. What an ignorant punkass troll HI is. A stupid, cowardly moron
May 13th, 2009 at 2:43 amright.wing.leftwing Says:
Well, that’s not true. I vote, and I don’t buy from companies that use illegal labor practices.
Seriously? We’re worse than the government that murdered 6 million people just because of their religion (not including the other 4 million they just didn’t like)? Or the one that murdered 20+ million because they dared to disagree with their leader?
Wow. That sucks for us then.
I’m pretty sure our immigration rates – both legal and illegal – pretty much discounts this. 233 years and still going strong. Personally, I’m more afraid of an earthquake than I am the US Constitution being overthrown.
But where would the Middle East get all its money if we’re not around to buy all their oil? Or China, if we stop buying all their stuff?
Well, I guess Canada could take our place, but eh. It’s too cold for me to want to move there. :D
May 13th, 2009 at 4:11 amwiley,
Yet no one will talk about how the “fixing the facts around the policy” committed suicide in Libia the other day…
… Shhhh. what America doesn’t know won’t hurt them, YES?
The Man Who Knew Too Much? A Convenient Suicide in a Libyan Prison
JURIST Guest Columnist Benjamin Davis of the University of Toledo College of Law says the claimed “suicide” in a Libyan prison of al-Qaeda operative Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi is too convenient for too many people who have besmirched American honor in a perversion of rule of law that came from panic and improvisation…..
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2009/05/man-who-knew-too-much-convenient.php
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May 13th, 2009 at 4:46 amGood morning right wing of America! Push your skirts down because you’re embarrassing yourselves again!
May 13th, 2009 at 6:52 amIf torture is just fine with these people (in fact, it isn’t torture at all, say most), then why do they have any problem at all with photos of something that’s either just fine, or never existed?
May 13th, 2009 at 9:39 amConservatives Outraged Over Release Of Torture Photos, But Not Over Actual Torture
Well of course, bank robbers are in favor of bank robberies, but they hate security cameras.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:41 amBut it does nothing but help al Qaeda.
Baloney. Hiding the pictures, when their existence is known does more harm.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:48 amTracy__5 Says:
“Baloney. Hiding the pictures, when their existence is known does more harm.”
Explain.
It’s called lack of trust. And by your own people no less. So instead of fighting one war, you’re now fighting two.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:49 pmal Qaeda already knows about the pictures, they’re not learning anything new. It matters not if the pictures are released to them, and it’s not like they don’t have a ton of other pictures of dead innocent citizens they can use to stir up support.
Lying to the American public OTOH weakens us here in our own country.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:51 pmWhy is it that conservatives are so consistently hypocritical?
Pro-life, yet they love war. Compassionate, yet they embrace torture.
It appears they have let the “bad guys” subvert their decent American morals.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
Explain.
You’re really that dense? I fear an explanation would only serve to further confuse you, if you cannot reason why by yourself.
But here goes: if they know there are pictures in existence that we are refusing to release, they can propagandize that fact into an assertion that greatly overblows what is actually contained in the photos, and there is no way to rebut that assertion, without the evidence in hand.
See how simple? Why didn’t you see it?
Your partisan goggles all steamed up, with fake outrage?
May 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pmI could take a photo and Photoshop it to make anything I want. I could make a fake video of someone severing someone’s head too. Hollywood creates horror flicks all the time and THEY LOOK REAL!
The Nazi’s created propaganda in WWII to scare the opposition and to rally their supporters.
I don’t think releasing OR not releasing the pictures will change a thing with THEM. This is all about US in the USA.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm