Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura volunteers to waterboard Cheney.
Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura volunteers to waterboard Cheney.
One of the most repeated lines from conservatives in the debate over interrogations is that waterboarding is not torture because it is performed on U.S. troops as part of training. Yesterday on CNN’s Larry King Live, former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura — a former Navy SEAL who has been waterboarded — poured cold water on this talking point, saying that waterboarding is in fact “drowning.” Ventura said he could waterboard Vice President Cheney and get him to admit to anything:
KING: You were a Navy SEAL.
VENTURA: That’s right. I was water boarded, so I know — at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion. It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence — every one of us was water boarded. It is torture.
KING: What was it like?
VENTURA: It’s drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Watch it:
“Even though you know it’s not going to happen — even though before it, you know you’re not going to drown,” King stated. “You don’t know it. If it’s done wrong, you certainly could drown. You could swallow your tongue. You could do a whole bunch of stuff. If it’s it done wrong or — it’s torture, Larry. It’s torture,” Ventura responded.
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Only problem is, Dick may have actually committed the Sharon Tate murders…
May 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pmWouldn’t that be “former” Navy SEAL…?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:16 pmBut Ceriously, Jesse, you waterboard, I’ll sell tickets, and we both get rich.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pmNavy SEAL Jesse Ventura volunteers to waterboard Cheney.
– - I’d settle for Hannity.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pmZ, I think once you’re a seal you’re always a Seal, get to put cool decals all over your pickup truck, etc…HooYa!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pmPut that on pay per view. I’d pay for sure.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWe all know it’s torture, we know who admitted ordering it, who provided the legal smoke screen, who committed the acts.
President Obama, and World Court, what the hell’s the hold up?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:19 pmI’ve not cared much for Jesse Ventura over the years, but I have to admit, this is perhaps the best line ever uttered on this subject:
“…you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
And I believe him.
And I’d buy a ticket to see this.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:19 pmWe could podcast it on http://www.watchthissicksobgetwaterboarded.com
May 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pmHEEEELLLLLLLZZZZZZZ YEAH! I want to see this!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:22 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
Z, I think once you’re a seal you’re always a Seal, get to put cool decals all over your pickup truck, etc…HooYa!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I was concerned about the length of that mullet. :-D
May 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pmI’d rather see Jesse, former governor of Minnesota, waterboard Norm Coleman and get him to finally drop out of the senate race so Sen.-elect Franken can be sworn in…
May 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pmWow. I would never have imagined being an admirer of Mr. Ventura, but I’m glad he said what he said.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmIt would take an hour?! Little Dickie would fold in 5 seconds, or have a heart attack and die. Either way, a win/win for America.
I would second the pay per view of Jesse waterboarding Hannity. It would raise millions for charity and SHOW all these ’supporters’ that it is torture. Heck, I think you should throw in a few of the other ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ for good measure…stress positions, slapping, slamming into a wall. Thunderdome…two men enter, one man leaves…
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmZ, I can’t see the videos from work, …mullet? Jesse? HoooYA!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmSorry, I couldn’t watch anyone getting waterboarded — not even Cheney.
I feel sick to my stomach when they show that waterboarding “demonstration” on Countdown.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmJesse, wash that mane or use it to strangle Cheney. One or the other.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
Z, I can’t see the videos from work, …mullet? Jesse? HoooYA!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Seriously, his hair is longer than mine — but I have more on top. ;)
May 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pmBuckaroo, exactly. Even though he gives up his mother in five minutes, you keep waterboarding him for the full hour. Maybe you could get in about 188 waterboardings if you did each one quick enough…BatRastard!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pmZooey @2, On the flip-side of RUCeriousMaggot @5,
Proud and CFP – Once and idiot always an ……
See our point? lol!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pmHow about a quad event…Jesse versos cheney, bush, rove and limpdick..He could line um up….Now thats an event I would spend money on….Blessings
May 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pmZ, isn’t there a quote that goes like:
Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lard?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pmC’mon too much credit is being given to Cheney. My guess is that the Cheney whimp would cave in after just being threatened with a titty twister. The biggest whimps always makes the biggest show of how they are the baddest and bravest.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThank you Mr. Ventura for speaking up.
When a Navy Seal says it’s torture you can bet IT IS TORTURE.
Better yet why not have Cheney or Hannity volunteer for being beaten to death…
…like NINETY EIGHT of those taken into custody were.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm“…one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
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I hope everybody paid attention to this statement. The point Ventura appeared to be making is that this technique is effective at getting the detainee to say whatever you want him to say. This is not the same as getting the detainee to reveal truthful and useful information.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThere is a reason why the vast majority of professionals in the intelligence community, you know, the people who actually do the interrogations, say torture does not work.
Where are these people? Where are the CIA and FBI agents who can rebut these right wing arguments like the one that that Cheney woman on Morning Joe made today?
Can we please have some EXPERTS weigh in on this rather than Monday morning quarterbacks, or the daughter of a 5 time draft dodging coward?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pmWhen do the tickets go on sale for this event with all the proceeds going to the Iraq families and the VETS?
Starring:
Cheney, Rice, Bush, Rumsfeld, Bybee, Hannity, O’Reilly, Yoo and Rush.
Let’s see if “valuable information” is obtained or what lies would be told?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pmIsn’t it amazing how the people who actually might have to be tortured themselves are the ones most vehement about waterboarding … and the armchair quarterbacks who won’t come within 100 miles of it are the one’s who say its important….
May 12th, 2009 at 3:33 pmOMG! I would LOVE to see Cheney waterboarded more than anyone else in the world. Cheney is already gasping for air with each word he utters so I don’t think he’d live thru 60 seconds of waterboarding.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:36 pmBingo!! We have the winner! Cheney wanted to connect Iraq with 9/11. They couldn’t do it even under torture. He wanted to get the predetermined answer and on tape. That didn’t happen. That’s why all those tapes were erased.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:36 pmIt is also a major reason they never want to see these guys released or go to public trial. They would be presenting evidence of war crimes.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pmHe could start by body slamming onto the table. BAM! Then hit him with a folding chair. POW!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pmI can sume up the BushCo crime family and Chainy in one quote:
“There is no crime that a man will not commit in order to save himself.”
Tadeusz Borowski
May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pmI’ve watched the clip, but the transcript that TP provides does not match what is said on the clip. I may be missing it. What timecode does the quote appear?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:45 pmVENTURA ROCKS!!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:46 pmCFP you DUM BASS. The threat OF torture is in fact torture. If I called your house and threatened you and your family with death, I can GO TO JAIL if caught! Shut up with your stoopid WEAK arguments pu$$Y a$$ b!tch.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:47 pm“Nobody questions that waterboarding when taken to extremes can indeed be torture. The question is whether or not waterboarding under the strict guidelines and limits that were in place constituted “torture” under the applicable law.”
Wow! how the hell did you make two hairs out of one?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pmBy definition, waterboarding is extreme.
ConservativeForProgress Says:
Nobody questions that waterboarding when taken to extremes can indeed be torture. The question is whether or not waterboarding under the strict guidelines and limits that were in place constituted “torture” under the applicable law.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Taken to extremes!? Are you shitting me? ANY waterboarding is extreme, f uckwit.
There are no “strict guidelines and limits” on waterboarding — other than it being ILLEGAL.
F ucking moron.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pm32:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:51 pmHow many times do I have to post the Georgetown stuff. The bottom line is that these techniques are do not seem to be considered effective by experts on the subject.
Most applications lasted 10 seconds. None lasted an hour.
Then Cheney should have no problem with being waterboarded, let’s say, 360 times consecutively.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThat’s not extreme.
First, Jesse Ventura needs his own political talk show! AND, in 2012, he should run for President as an Independent!
After President Obama’s back-sliding on important campaign promises and his reluctance to uphold the written rule of law by not investigating/ prosecuting torture, rendition, and murder by the Bushies, I wouldn’t hesitate to vote for Ventura for President in 2012.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm#32, there is no time limit! THe US signed onto a treaty prohibiting under Reagan and it was ratified in 1994. It is illegal period. Any ‘applicable law’ you speak of is the center of the controversy. The OLC in the White House wrote a memo authorizing it. Does not make it legal you moron. The US violated an international treaty. Something we prosecuted and executed Japanese soldiers for in WWII. What in 60 years has changed to make it ok, now? Go back to watching 24, which gives any neocon wetdreams. Or better yet, watch this: Hitchens gets waterboarded. Shows what a coward Hannity actually is.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7u-Wk1aU-E
funkymofo Says:
Put that on pay per view. I’d pay for sure.
We could fund a universal healthcare system with the people who would pay money to see Cheney waterboarded.
Then again, we could fund universal healthcare simply by auditing the books of Cheney’s no-bid contractor friends.
PEACE
May 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pmbetter yet, let’s give jesse ventura (r) a tazer and let him zap the old bastard. see how long his pacemaker holds out
May 12th, 2009 at 3:55 pmBuckarooBanzai Says:
I’ve watched the clip, but the transcript that TP provides does not match what is said on the clip. I may be missing it. What timecode does the quote appear?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Here’s a clip from the Zoo, it might hold the info you’re looking for.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:56 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
The question is whether or not waterboarding under the strict guidelines and limits that were in place constituted “torture” under the applicable law.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
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Waterboarding of detainees is torture. For ten seconds, forty seconds, an hour – it doesn’t matter. There is no question. The fact that people wrote memos creating guidelines and limits as legal loopholes does not change the basic facts that waterboarding is torture, stress positions are torture, sleep deprivation is torture, and torture is illegal under U.S. and international law.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThe fact that this has been admitted to by Cheney, and him saying Bush authorized it, beggars the question: What the fook is Congress waiting for? He’s admitted to a crime. I hope he keeps talking every Sunday.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:56 pm#48 Zooey:
Thanks!!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:58 pmconservativeforprogress,
i have posed this question to you before and i will pose it everytime i see your mangy ass posting until you answer it:
if waterboarding isn’t torture than why won’t midget boy hannity put his money where his mouth is an be waterboarded for charity to benefit vets? he was offerred a thousand dollars a second.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pmLets make it a Reality show people. With all the a$$ holes who said it is no big deal sticking some guys head in a bucket. We could have this go on for almost a year. Advertisers would love it too.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pmCFP, there is no such thing as lite waterboarding. It is drowning. I will take the word of someone with first-hand experience, like Ventura, over a poseur Rambo like you. And Ventura didn’t mean he would pour water on Cheney for an hour straight, he meant starting and stopping over the course of an hour.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pmNobody questions that waterboarding when taken to extremes can indeed be torture. The question is whether or not waterboarding under the strict guidelines and limits that were in place constituted “torture” under the applicable law.
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CFP, you see how you just twisted your own freaking words.
If waterboarding under the strict guidelines and limits that were in place constituted “torture,” why was the laws circumvented and broken and the members of Congress lied to about it’s use?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pmNo need for WATERBOARDING the WAR CRIMINAL Chenney. He has already confessed on Natinal TV and Radio!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
ConservativeForRegress, I have a question. Why do you approve such interrogations on our soldiers by our enemy combatants?
bonus question:
If waterboarding is NOT torture, why were the Japanese soldiers who committed such “non torture” tried and convicted?
extra extra bonus question:
If not taken to the “extreme”, would you allow a family member to be “non tortured”?
extra extra extra question de bonus:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:10 pmShould police officers be allowed to use such interrogations?
Parents?
Daycare providers and adult foster care homes?
DRxJ, I can just see it now. Nazi-Nanny waterboards the brat for spilling his milk!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pmWaterboarding was created as a torture technique–like the Rack. It serves no other function. Imagine a judge issuing guidelines as to the extent the CIA could stretch a detainee on a rack.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:15 pmAnd let us not forget that we also had instances where we would waterboard a family member while the target was forced to watch.
I know it is a sick thought, but let us waterboard Hannity’s family while he watches. After all, it is only a swimming lesson.
I know I should have said Cheney’s family. but I just can’t picture him as having a tender place in his heart for anyone, even his own family.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pmZooey Says:
Wouldn’t that be “former” Navy SEAL…?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Once a SEAL, always a SEAL…
It’s like being a Marine (or a surfer, or a Catholic): Once you’ve been baptized, you’re never NOT one again.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:18 pmWhenever Hannity or Oliellly talk about it, they always liken it to dunking, like a couple of teenagers horseing around in a
May 12th, 2009 at 4:18 pmpool. FINALLY we get a perspective from someone who’s EXPERIENCED it. Jesse hit this one out of the park.
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Q U E S T I O N:
What does it make a person when they set out to construct a confession devised to be coerced from TORTURE?
Where’s the smoking gun?
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May 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pmI can’t believe I am forced to do this……here is how water boarding works simpltons……..you capture some bad guys, you interrogate them one at a time and keep them seperate…sometimes for weeks or months….gathering information….tons of it….you have spy’s, satellite imagery, U2 photos….you pay poor people on the front lines for information…..tons of it, information, information, phone, radio contacts…piles of it…then you go through it piece by piece until a picture starts to emerge and then the Rumsfeldism starts to be applied: There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know. So….when you get the water board out you know some of the answers to the questions you are going to ask, hose the guy and see if he tells the truth. If not let him know that you know he is lying…..if done properly the hosee is put in a position of not knowing what to say because he does not know what you know and tells the truth because he has lied and got caught…….you check out the info he gives up and if he lies its back to the board because you and he both know what the truth was and he will start complying completely once “broken”……happens every time done correctly. Water boarding Cheney for the Tate murders is the stupidest thing I ever heard because you already know he didn’t do them.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Ventura, for example, talks about waterboarding for an hour. [...]
Most applications lasted 10 seconds. None lasted an hour.
He didn’t say he would waterboard Cheney for a whole hour. Maybe he’ll waterboard him once or twice, and then just ask him questions while sloooowly getting Cheney’s chair closer to the water board.
But it would be fun to subject Cheney to the full Monty: no sleep for a week, place him in painful positions for hours, blast heavy metal music at him, or just do as they did so many times with so many prisoners, and kick or strangle him until he’s not responsive anymore.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:20 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Nobody questions that waterboarding when taken to extremes can indeed be torture.
You dismal, miserable phuuking dolt, waterboarding is “extreme” by definition. You come over here and i’ll show ya. With the greatest pleasure..
May 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pmOnce again the stoopidbastard shows us how damn stupid he really is. That’s pure 24, you jerk. Why do you Hate American Values, doofus?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:23 pmThe US of A has been torturing people since after the WWII. The difference now is the American public is aware of it!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pmNicaragua, Panama, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Diego Garcia, Afehganistan,… the list goes ad infinitum .
Oh, and ConflationforReverseEvolution, there are no things such as “strict guidelines and controls”. Those were sets of permission slips to torture.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWater boarding Cheney for the Tate murders is the stupidest thing I ever heard because you already know he didn’t do them.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The fuuuking stupit…Stop It…It burns.
Gimme an hour with you and an experienced ‘interrogator ‘ and a water-board rig, and in an hour I can have you admitting to killing your Savior, raping your sister, and killing the dog…
May 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhat is ironic is that there exists a waterboard training in the SERE for the special forces. OK. That means that, with the adequate training, and/or enough strong will/fanaticism, a person being waterboarded can (and most probably will) lie. And, added the fact that people who break under torture lie to not being tortured again, you’ve a whole scenario with more lies tan truth, at the price of acting like Attilla The Hun, lose allies and making enemies in droves. Great job.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pmWaterboard the WAR CRIMINAL Chenney on National TV!!!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:27 pmAll teh Dumas award recipients here still can’t cram into their ceramic strength cranii that waterboarding was developed specifically to induce ‘false confessions’. It’s really good at doing that. That’s not ‘intel’. And it’s immoral and illegal and getting permission slips from your flunky gummint lawyers changes none of the above.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmConservativeForRegress, you (of course) did not answer any of my essay questions.
Though you did provide plenty of words and structure, they were without merit and meaning.
Thus, YOU FAIL!
Shoot boy, you’ve been taking one heckuva beating.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmThe USA, Via the ‘School of the americas’ and CIA, took ELETRICAL SHOCK to Latin America in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmI wonder if I could come up with a really nice memo providing strict guidelines for interrogaters to attach cages full of starving rats to ConProg’s face.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:29 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
you check out the info he gives up and if he lies its back to the board because you and he both know what the truth was and he will start complying completely once “broken”
So you torture the guy for information you already have, and then torture him for information you don’t have and that he may not even know. And you end up with a broken man, with friends and relatives who will surely be angry at the USA.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:30 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
So….when you get the water board out you know some of the answers to the questions you are going to ask, hose the guy and see if he tells the truth. If not let him know that you know he is lying…..if done properly the hosee is put in a position of not knowing what to say because he does not know what you know and tells the truth because he has lied and got caught
May 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
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Ahhh, yes. Just like when the CIA interrogators knew that there was a Saddam-al Qa’ida connection and they waterboarded Abu Zubaydah until he admitted this truth. Right?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pmLuis, you do get it. That’s what dufi like SlipperyBastard want. They hate American values, and just want to kill all the brown people. They have lots of kids who might grow up and move in next door.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI agree with the wrestler.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pmLuis……if you can stop the “bad guys” that Obama is trying to kill to stop shooting, killing and plotting to kill us our soldier’s can come home and everyone can live in peace with one another forever. Your county needs you!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:35 pmRU….you talk silly…
May 12th, 2009 at 4:36 pmJesse Ventura = Epic Badass!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:37 pmHowever, the legal memos in question only permitted applications of no more than 40 seconds in length; and the memos state that this maximum was “rarely” reached (”this maximum has rarely been reached”). Most applications lasted 10 seconds. None lasted an hour.
But no doubt they were applied over and over, so the “maximum” is a fantasy.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pmCFP, why did the CIA destroy 90 interrogation tapes if everything was on the up & up with your precious guidelines?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pmConservativeForProgress
Nobody in their right minds questions whether waterboarding is torture PERIOD. Only those desperate in their idolotry syndrome to protect the Bush administration at all costs and without the LEAST care about facts OR reality question whether waterboarding is torture
May 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
RU….you talk silly…
Coming from you, high praise indeed, Slaphappy.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Sac: I have to agree with you somewhat there. Under all of the wars and police actions the U.S. entered under Democratic party presidents (WWI (Wilson), WWII (Roosevelt), Korea (Truman), Viet Nam (Kennedy), etc…) enemies likely faced enhanced interrogation techniques.
You forgot the wars and police actions under Republicant party Presidents (Grenada (Reagan), Panama (Bush I), Gulf War 1 (Bush I), Gulf War 2 (Bush 2)).
May 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pmSlappyBastinado,
You talk out your AZZ.
pathetic
May 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says
May 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
if waterboarding isn’t torture than why won’t midget boy hannity put his money where his mouth is an be waterboarded for charity to benefit vets? he was offerred a thousand dollars a second.
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This sounds like a win-win for everybody involved (except Keith Olbermann, who would be out a nice chunk of change). Sean Hannity could regain his stature by following through on a check his mouth wrote, ten seconds of waterboarding would be shown to be gentle and not extreme in any way, and some veteran organization would be $10,000 richer.
Oh — ten seconds of gentle, non-extreme waterboarding would still be too extreme for Hannity? Might that be because being head downward on a slantboard, having a damp cloth clamped over your face, having water poured into your nose and mouth, and having your chest pounded to expel air and prevent you from holding your breath would be drowning — even if only for ten seconds? And there’s really nothing gentle or non-extreme about this?
Jesse Venture claims it’s torture. And he got his waterboarding during SERE training — where he knew he was going to be waterboarded and when, he knew how long he would be waterboarded, he was most likely told he could give an emergency hand signal to stop the procedure, and he probably hadn’t been subjected to harsh procedures in the days prior to his waterboarding. And he still says it’s torture.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
Luis……if you can stop the “bad guys” that Obama is trying to kill to stop shooting, killing and plotting to kill us our soldier’s can come home and everyone can live in peace with one another forever. Your county needs you!
Maybe you shouldn’t have sent those soldiers there in the first place…
And yes, my country needs me, which is why I’m staying here in my country instead of crossing overseas looking for foreign people to kill.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pmYour idiocy is remarkable in its breadth. Sorry, the WH OLC lawyers, just because they wrote a memo, does NOT make it legal. Their memo does not contravene the treaties that the US signed forbidding this act of torture. Waterboarding was already defined as torture. It doesn’t matter that a doctor is present or that there is a time limit. IT IS TORTURE. The lawyers will eventually be disbarred and possibly (I hope) indicted on conspiracy charges, and then convicted. And that goes for the ones that performed this act, and the ones that authorized it. We didn’t let the Nazi’s off the hook at the Nuremburg trials. But maybe in home schooling, your parents neglected to teach you about that. Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it as the saying goes.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pmWhat’s most pitiful is that in the 21st century, in the supposed “beacon on the hill”, Gods country, the subject of torture is even being discussed, in any regard.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pmI’ll take death before dishonor all you wanna-be sadists.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pmCFP, BushCo is laughing at you when they rebrand torture as Enhanced Interrogation. They know you’ll eat that up and eat up the notion that during a hostile interrogation, CIA agents are going to adhere to some arbitrary time constraints. You are an American sucker.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So that they would not end up in enemy hands and be used for training as to how to withstand our strict guidelines and controls.
If Al-Qaeda agents can infiltrate the secret sessions of Congress or the vaults at Quantico, then you’re already screwed.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:49 pmSlappy, cfp, torture is immoral, illegal, ineffective. We shouldn’t torture because we (the USA) is better than that. If you want to torture leave my country. now.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pmEnemy hands? Al Qaeda has moles at CIA?–how sophisticated of those suicidial lunatics?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pmKaneJeeves Says:
What’s most pitiful is that in the 21st century, in the supposed “beacon on the hill”, Gods country, the subject of torture is even being discussed, in any regard
Thank you. And it’s the people who think they’re more “moral” than the rest of us who are all for torturing people. Hell we tortured children and they’re ok with that. Just as long as the torture ends before the commerical break.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pm.
Dear ConservativeForRegress,
When did TORTURE become legal?
What is the history of the USA regarding the use of waterboarding?
How does this history comport to your defense of this action?
Apologist much?
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May 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmBob….. Hahaahahhahahahahahhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….IF I, old Slappy, kidnapped one of your children and hid him/her some where and would not tell you where I put him/her there is not a one of you on this site that would hesitate to water board me as many times as it took to get the right answer. AND, AND you would not give a care if I hated you the rest of my life either……and that is how it works.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmCFP, you can wikipedia waterboarding and see what it involves.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmUm, it wasn’t legal. The Bush admin crafted intelligence to ‘justify’ going to war in Iraq, saying they had WMD and were an immeninent threat to world peace. They weren’t. The intelligence didn’t bear that out. The Bush admin lied. Just because Bush’s lawyers wrote memos didn’t make it legal. You are just incredibly thick. You also had other lawyers that wrote opinions for him that said you couldn’t do this, it was ILLEGAL. Those are the memos that Cheney sought to destroy all copies of. Please quit cherry-picking your info. We had enough of that in the Bush years and it landed us into 2 wars.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pmWhat’s with all the hypothetical situations? Always with the hypotheticals. Can we have a real discussion?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pmcitizen_pain Says:
There is a reason why the vast majority of professionals in the intelligence community, you know, the people who actually do the interrogations, say torture does not work.
Where are these people? Where are the CIA and FBI agents who can rebut these right wing arguments like the one that that Cheney woman on Morning Joe made today?
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IMO, I think the CIA/FBI agents are hiding, because despite Obama stating that they would NOT be investigated, [for which he never should've said anything as it's DoJ's job to determine what will occur and to whom] they are trying to stay away from the lime light so as not to be out front and have the tide turn against them.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pmWhen in a hole, stop digging dude. You obviously didn’t catch the CIA and the Bush Admin’s admission that all the tapes were ERASED?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pmCFP, has anyone explained the facts of life to you? Law enforcement doesn’t play by the rules. Have you ever been arrested?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
If the tapes existed, one or more would have likely been released by the Obama administration, just as they released the memos that set forth the strict guidelines and controls that are now in the hands of our enemies and potential enemies.
So you don’t know if there were illegal activities during those interrogations. The only proof left would have to be the word of the interrogators themselves.
Didn’t they use to call that “obstruction of justice”?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pmConservativeforProgress, it’s intellectual giants like yourself that have made the Republican Party what it is today. Empty of any ideas or plans, morals or courage, just a party that can only say no, or not my fault.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
For all the debate over waterboarding, it has been used on only three al Qaeda figures, according to current and former U.S. intelligence officials. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/11/exclusive-only-.html. Yet, if you read TP, you’d think its been used on hundreds of poor, innocent people. Sorry if it offends you, but I care more about thousands of American lives than I do about the discomfort of a known terrorist like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
That’s why your kind has lost power, stupid troll.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pmSlappyBastinado Says
May 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I can’t believe I am forced to do this…
– I don’t think anybody here is forcing you.
“…here is how water boarding works simpltons…”
– Grab the popcorn; this should be interesting.
“…you capture some bad guys, you interrogate them one at a time and keep them seperate…sometimes for weeks or months….gathering information….tons of it….you have spy’s, satellite imagery, U2 photos….you pay poor people on the front lines for information…..tons of it, information, information, phone, radio contacts…piles of it…then you go through it piece by piece until a picture starts to emerge and then the Rumsfeldism starts to be applied: There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know. So….when you get the water board out you know some of the answers to the questions you are going to ask, hose the guy and see if he tells the truth. If not let him know that you know he is lying…..if done properly the hosee is put in a position of not knowing what to say because he does not know what you know and tells the truth because he has lied and got caught…….you check out the info he gives up and if he lies its back to the board because you and he both know what the truth was and he will start complying completely once “broken”……happens every time done correctly.”
– And you know this…how? By watching “24″? You DO know life isn’t a Hollywood teleplay, don’t you? Can you tell us why the torture defenders can’t even give us ONE instance of how torture (or “enhanced interrogation”) has yielded information that has saved lives, foiled a terrorist attack, or allowed us to locate and defuse an armed bomb? I’ll settle for just one — you don’t have to substantiate your ridiculous claim that success “happens every time done correctly.” Thanks for the Rumsfeld interlude in the middle of your raving, though — that was a fun nostalgia trip. And the overall presentation was rather impressive, especially your somewhat orgasmic gushing over the “tons” of information gathered.
“Water boarding Cheney for the Tate murders is the stupidest thing I ever heard because you already know he didn’t do them.”
May 12th, 2009 at 5:03 pm– You completely missed the point. Jesse Ventura knows Cheney didn’t commit the Tate murders. So does Cheney. So does everybody else. The point Ventura was making is that waterboarding can make a detainee say anything you want to hear, whether it’s true or not. See my post at #25.
The Reichwhiners are prone to crying about their Grandkids getting a bill. That’s legit. The follies of our generation will cost our descendants. But I’m not worried about the financial implications. The debt that won’t go away is more subtle.
For all time, regardless of how we ultimately settle things, the whole World will know that the lawful government of the United States ordered the systematic mistreatment, including torture, of prisoners. Bushco created enemies who have not even been born yet.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pmKeepin’ busy with that shovel, huh? If the torture was SO effective, how come it was used 266 times on 2 of the captives? How many times do they have to ask the same questions. And that is bs about ‘thousands of American lives’ being saved. The report clearly stated that no plan was thrawted with any of the info that was given. Probably because info derieved from torture is just bs to get it to stop. Give the man what he wants to hear. You don’t think that once those guys were captured, they decided to change any plans that may have been in the works?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:08 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Yet, if you read TP, you’d think its been used on hundreds of poor, innocent people. Sorry if it offends you, but I care more about thousands of American lives than I do about the discomfort of a known terrorist like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
What about Abed Hamed Mowhoush? Nagem Hatab? Abdul Wahid? Dilawar? Habibullah?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:08 pmSlappy B:
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
~Dean Wormer
May 12th, 2009 at 5:09 pmCfP, in supporting your case with citations, you may want to cite something more recent than 2007. A whole lot has come out since that time. Nice try though, thanks for playing. Maybe you should go back to the intramural league for trolls? Something more your speed. Open mouthed breathers allowed.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:18 pmHere you go CFP. A quote from something a bit more recent. So you can quit cherry picking the crap you are using to support your arguments.
“That version of events is starkly different than the one reported by ABC News in December 2007, when former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who was involved in the interrogation of Mr. Zubaydah, claimed he had only been waterboarded once for 35 seconds.
“The next day, he told his interrogators that Allah had visited him in his cell during the night and told him to cooperate,” said Kiriakou in an interview…
“From that day on, he answered every question,” Kiriakou said. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”
The sheer frequency with which waterboarding was apparently used on these two suspects may cast doubt on past Bush administration assertions that they were strictly obeying guidelines on the use of the practice, says the Times. It also notes that “a footnote to another 2005 Justice Department memo released Thursday said waterboarding was used both more frequently and with a greater volume of water than the CIA rules permitted.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0420/p99s01-duts.html
From that well known liberal site, The Christian Science Monitor.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:23 pmSince this is the 40th anniversary of Woodstock how about getting ALL of the cons together and have a three day blast waterboarding!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 5:26 pm.
Dear Slappybastard,
Can I waterboard you so that I can get information I need to locate OBL?
Oh, you’re not a terrorist? Tell that to my rag I’ll be stuffing in your gullet.
Oh, you still insist you’re not connected with any terrorist organization? Well, I’m sure some water will help.
Still insist that you’re not who I say you are? How about a punch to the gut, ribs and face to clear this misunderstanding up?
What? You still won’t talk? Well then, I’ll just take your kid and crush his testicles, throw him in a box with a scorpion and rape your wife in front of you while you’re shackled in a 4×5 bow at 32 degrees.
Can I stop, you ask? …
… Only when you tell me the correct answer I need.
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pmSomebody kidnapped my son and sent me a ransom note signed “slappy” The only slappy I knew was that Bastardito guy so I went to his house to waterboard him. After I made him clean up the piss on the floor and got him to stop crying, I asked him where my son was.
He said he didn’t know what I was talking about so cut his eyelids off and set him down in front of a fan. Bastardito still wouldn’t talk so I waterboarded him. He confessed to kidnapping my son and told me he was in the basement.
Well he wasn’t. So I cut off his fingers with a pizza cutter. A lot of work I tell you what, but my kid is worth it. Just as I was ready to go after his toes I got a call from my wife saying the boy was out with some friends and sent the note as a joke.
I apologized to Sloppy Bastardito and said it was a case of mistaken identity, no hard feelings right?
Hey, so I made a mistake. My intentions were pure as snow, I didn’t enjoy it. Much. I just can’t help thinking that once he superglues the eyelids and fingers back on, he might now have a reason to come after my son.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pmCFP, what say you now on your bs line, ‘they were obeying strict guidelines, so it wasn’t torture’? We’d all love to hear your spin on this. Or maybe you’re already too dizzy? You do realize that the Bush Admin and their supporters are able and well-practiced liars, right? And they do this, why? To avoid jail perhaps? The fact that the current DOJ and Congress hasn’t dragged this sorry no account bunch of criminals in is beyond me.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pm.
Dear CFP and slappybastard,
I guess the North Vietnamese were correct to enhance interrogate John McCain?
Or that the Japanese were correct to enhance interrogate US soldiers in WWII?
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May 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pmVentura, for example, talks about waterboarding for an hour.
Nope. Ventura said he needs an hour. That means
1 minute to drag Cheney to the waterboarding room, 15
minutes for the cleaning crew to clean the room after
Cheney has pissed and pooped even before he could be
waterboarded…
And the remaining 44 minutes are for Cheney to write and
May 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pmsign the confession letter!
CFP, do you hate facts?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pmActually, waterboarding is one of the “milder” forms of torture performed by our lovely government (keep paying those taxes, it’s patriotic!).
They would rape men with sticks.. They would rape children anally with acid soaked sticks. They would crush children’s testicles in front of their parents to get the parents to talk. They would electrocute the genitals of captives.
There is a whole host of ghastly and completely evil things that our government has done to people. Waterboarding, as heinous as it is, is child’s play in comparison.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pmSeems like someone would have to be able to recognize something in order to hate it.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pmSlappyBastinado Says
May 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
IF I, old Slappy, kidnapped one of your children and hid him/her some where and would not tell you where I put him/her there is not a one of you on this site that would hesitate to water board me as many times as it took to get the right answer.
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If you kidnapped any child of mine, I would do whatever it took to get my child back. That’s true. And waterboarding could conceivably work in that situation, because whatever you told me could be verified fairly quickly.
However, for this hypothetically situation to work, I would have to be convinced that you were the one who took my child, and that you were the one who knew where he/she was. And if I had you in captivity (which makes this whole scenario a bit unlikely), I probably wouldn’t have to resort to waterboarding — where you would just waste time giving me false information and recovering between sessions while I followed your false leads.
No, I’d probably just give you sodium pentathol to weaken your resolve and then talk to you calmly. Under that drug, I think you’d see that you’d be a prisoner as long as my child was missing — not exactly a win-win for you — and you’d be willing to negotiate. Furthermore, in that state, you’d be less likely to lie or resist, as you wouldn’t have the mental capacity to do so (which is why some call it “truth serum”). I believe I’d get the information I needed out of you without too much trouble, and without any violence.
Of course, after I got my child back, I’d turn you over to the police. You’d probably still be in your happy state, so you wouldn’t mind going willingly.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pmAll our torture didn’t protect the 4,600 dead U.S. soldiers/citizens in Iraq. It didn’t stop the bombs. It didn’t deliver Bin Laden. But…
It will get good people killed long after we are all gone.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:05 pmExactly Pete. We will be reaping the harvest of the seeds of hate we sowed for a long long time.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
You and Jesse completely miss the point of water boarding…..ITS NOT TO PUNISH THE PERSON…..it to confirm intel AND collect more…..you need to spend much more time thinking and studying this process.
Oh, and that drug thingie you wrote is just plain silly….you are much to nice a person to play in this game. The game of war is pure horror.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pmSlappyBastinado Says
IF I, old Slappy, kidnapped one of your children and hid him/her some where and would not tell you where I put him/her there is not a one of you on this site that would hesitate to water board me as many times as it took to get the right answer.
But we would not waterboard your children to find out, and that’s the difference between us and… you.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pmIf you kidnapped any child of mine, I would do whatever it took to get my child back. That’s true.
Would you waterboard his child to get him to talk?
If you don’t really mean “anything,” you really shouldn’t use the term.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pmbarfly…you are probably a nice person. Hopefully you will never be in a position to have to make any decisions in instances such as we are debating. Some of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
Some of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
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What a macho armchair commando.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmSome of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
Then you become the terrorist.
You would waterboard an innocent child, if it served your purpose? Or would you just visit the sins of the father on his offspring, regardless of honor, or valor (for there is no valor in the acts you would inflict on the innocent)? You repudiate American ideals with your craven cowardice.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:00 pmThere’s a difference between deciding on one’s own that the situation warrants going over the line, and a nation deciding that the place where everyone else has drawn the line doesn’t really work for us.
In other words, there’s a difference between deciding in a certain situation to pursue an abhorrent course of action that is illegal but may in some limited way be effective (and being willing to suffer the consequences of that choice), and making that practice legal.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pmEvil…….Examples of the Black Legend are said to be found in the exaggeratedly negative portrayals of the Inquisition in both historiography and popular culture, and the villains and storylines of modern fiction and film. Your whole world is in your mind.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:04 pmSome of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
Tell that to the family of a tortured American serviceman. Your scorched earth world-view is guaranteed to make more enemies, more torture victims, more enemies, more torture victims, in an unending spiral of brutality, with no real goal in sight.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pmSlapping His Bastinado says that missmolly is “much to (sic) nice a person to play in this game”, yet missmolly completely dismantled the Slapper with her reasoned argument and patient tone. Like a surgeon excising a tumor.
Slappy’s so slap-happy from slapping his bastinado that he has no idea how hollow is the sound that rings from his false bravado.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pmYou would waterboard an innocent child, if it served your purpose?
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Bar….where did you get that?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pmY’know, barfly, the trolls never really deny this point. They never even seem to acknowledge that it’s been said, but they certainly don’t deny it.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:08 pmSome of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
Forgive me, I though we were talking about “no rules,” meaning the torture of innocents is OK, if it produces results. Or did you want to walk your previous statement back a little?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:11 pmMiss Molly:
If you kidnapped any child of mine, I would do whatever it took to get my child back. That’s true.
Me:
Would you waterboard his child to get him to talk?
If you don’t really mean “anything,” you really shouldn’t use the term.
I think she also was caught in the moral trap.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pmLet me just take a guess… perhaps from this statement?
as barfly noted above, you really shouldn’t use extreme language if you don’t stand by it.
Either you play by no rules, or you have some line beyond which you would not cross. You’ve said quite plainly that, to you, there are no rules and you would “give no quarter and expect none”. bafly’s assumption is justifiable given your statements.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pmFirst, ralph go feed your llama…..Bar “rules” like on the battle field when in combat you do not shoot your enemy in the back as he retreats to get a better shot at you? Rules? This is not a game…..its life or death and both sides know and accept this….to a point. You are trying to adjust the point.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pmThis is not a game…..its life or death and both sides know and accept this….to a point.
So, you’re really not in favor of torture, you just want to talk tough, is that it?
Um, what battlefield? we’re talking about terrorists, right?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:20 pmWow, that’s reaaaaallly clever, Slapster. Got me there. Yer on fire, dude.
Bar “rules” like on the battle field when in combat you do not shoot your enemy in the back as he retreats to get a better shot at you? Rules? This is not a game…..its life or death and both sides know and accept this….to a point. You are trying to adjust the point.
No, you made it clear that there was NO “to a point”.
You said quite plainly, Some of us, on the other hand, as they say, give no quarter and expect none, such are the rules, or lack there of of the game.
Sounds to me like,if you decided that torturing a child would serve your purposes in “the game” you would do so.
What in the above-quoted declamatory statement indicates that its life or death and both sides know and accept this….to a point?
(emphasis mine)
May 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pmSorry for the failure to format properly in 153.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pmgive no quarter and expect none
…leaves no room for gray areas. So give no quarter, but don’t torture terrorist’s relatives to get the terrorist to talk? I think we’re talking more of plug nickels, in that case.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pmSlappy?
Having a dark night of the soul?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:29 pmOr a sudden epiphany?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pmSlappy, could you at least send in the second string?
Or is this a forfeit?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pmDid our friend go to resume slapping his bastinado?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pmCmon, we have to throw Tom Delay on the board too. That cockroach needs to be squashed soon.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:56 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
Evil…….Examples of the Black Legend are said to be found in the exaggeratedly negative portrayals of the Inquisition in both historiography and popular culture, and the villains and storylines of modern fiction and film. Your whole world is in your mind.
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Ironic coming from a faithful Foxaid drunkard.
You know? Being an inhabitant from the “Old Europe” allows me to know a little more history beyond 1776 and the USA borders than you. That, and not being a flaming egocentric ignorant like you.
Yours, and not mine, it’s the typical mentality of an Inquisitor (btw, some of the most rabid prosecutors were from Northern Europe, from the very same places that later would become the craddle of protestantism).
For your enlightment, read the following, a manual for inquisitors, about witches and “enhanced interrogation” methods. It was written by the not-so-brown guys named Heinrich Kramer and Jacob Sprenger, a German and a Swiss. The “Malleus Maleficarum” of Hammer of Witches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_maleficarum
Section III
Section III is the legal part of the Malleus that describes how to prosecute a witch. The arguments are clearly laid for the lay magistrates prosecuting witches. Institoris and Sprenger offer a step-by-step guide to the conduct of a witch trial, from the method of initiating the process and assembling accusations, to the interrogation (including torture) of witnesses, and the formal charging of the accused.[19] Women who did not cry during their trial were automatically believed to be witches.[20]
Hey, sounds as a Bush-signed memo.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Did our friend go to resume slapping his bastinado?
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Ewww, sounds DIRTY.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pmSay what you want about Jesse Ventura but if you take the time to “LISTEN” to what he says, you’ll find that he’s a smart man, a good man and a man who served his country with honor and integrity and he still does, whether you agree with everything he says or not, whether you want to mock his wrestling career or not. He’s a good man and the country could use 1000 more like him.
If we had more like him, more “STAND UP” sort of men, then the likes of Bush and Cheney would have never gotten close to the White House, unless it was on a guided tour.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So that they would not end up in enemy hands and be used for training as to how to withstand our strict guidelines and controls.
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OH MY GOD. Please tell me you arent stupid enough to believe this and you are just joking because you KNOW you cante tell the truth. You are a liar and a fool and a punkass troll but please you cant be THAT stupid. If the CIA cant keep tapes in THEIR posession out of enemy hands they need to disband not to mention everyone KNOWS what torture is knowing HOW you are going to be tortured does NOTHING to help you withstand it. I just cant believe what a brainwashed moron you are.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:55 amSlappytheMoron is back. Doing the only thing he ever does begging us to pity him. He is such a sad ignorant pathetic piece of human debris it is the only thing he cares about getting normal humans to pity him. No doubt he is pitiful. A sad, stupid, pathetic shell of a thing. No self resect, no brain, no decency. Just dropping by from his sad existence hoping for just a little pity here and there if he begs enough. Trying to answer the eternal question. How sad and pathetic can a troll be?
May 13th, 2009 at 2:59 amIf Jesse is too busy to handle the “board”, I’ll be glad to stand in for him. By the way, once a SEAL always a SEAL.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:08 amPeople who support and/or condone torture are disgusting, pathetic excuses for human beings.
I have zero respect for anyone that cowardly and evil. I hope they suffer dramatically before they meet their ultimate end. It will be well-deserved. That may sound extreme, and I’m sure it is. But I don’t apologize for it. I’m tired of sharing my air with “people” like that. Mosquitos are more valuable than these basards.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amCheney’s heart will rust
May 13th, 2009 at 1:15 pmNothing on the video supplied here indicstes that Ventura made any of the statements you claim in this post. Did you have another piece of video you intended? I do note that dispite the lack of video evidence to upport your claim, there are many replys that simply assume the truth of Think Progress’s report.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:52 amWhile it is nice to have the trust and confidence of your readers, none-the-less, professional journalism requires that you back your claims with reliable sources. The source you rely on in your piece is simply not adequate in supporting the claim you make in the written part of the post. In the video supplied, Ventura never makes the statements you have aasigned him.
I come to TP in search of journalism, this post is mere sensationalism.
Wow, i didn’t think there was that much kool aid in the world. What a bunch of flaming retards.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pm