Cheney: For diplomacy to work, U.S. must threaten to bomb Iran.
Cheney: For diplomacy to work, U.S. must threaten to bomb Iran.
Yesterday, former Vice President Cheney “swung quietly” through New York City to watch Liz Cheney, his daughter and a former State Department official, debate Iran policy. Continuing his long advocacy for military strikes to halt Iran’s nuclear program, Cheney said at a dinner after the debate that the only way for President Obama’s diplomacy with Iran to work is if Obama also threatens to bomb the country:
The former Vice President characterized the Iranian goal in negotiations on ending that country’s nuclear program as mere stalling for time, and the Europeans as trying to “restrain the U.S.” from military action. “Everybody’s in a giant conspiracy to achieve a different objective than the one we want to achieve,” Cheney said. The negotiations are “bound to fail unless we are perceived as very credible” in threatening military action against Iran, he said.
“If they believe the threat of military force is on the table that’s frankly the only thing I’ve seen that convinces them they’d better get serious about sanctions,” Liz Cheney said during her debate.
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The only thing that is going to work against Iran is a full, frontal bayonet charge, with Dickless Cheney 50 yards out in front of our troops. Since Cheney seems to have grown as pair since his deferrment days, he would be the natural choice to put his ass on the line as leader of the charge. Such a brave, fearless chickenhawk.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:55 amHe speaks/talks as though he and Bush are still in the White House.
Note this quote: “Everybody’s in a giant conspiracy to achieve a different ojbect that the one we want to achieve.”
May 13th, 2009 at 9:57 amWhat is THAT about?
Dickhead Cheney also believes that the term “humanitarian aid” means sending a few Tomahawk Missiles along for the ride , so there ya’ go ……
May 13th, 2009 at 9:59 amInteresting. So a death threat to advance one’s own interests is now a legitimate negotiating tactic?
I guess that means a mugging is just interpersonal diplomacy to prevent victims from achieving an objective different from the one the mugger wants to achieve. Same with bank robbery. Or kidnapping for ransom. It’s not a crime – just an effective negotiating tactic!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:01 amNeocons never accept that they are out of office. PNAC continued to operate all through the nineties as if they still had a Republican in the White House. This allows them to quickly ramp up their imperialist operations quickly once they do return to power.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:02 amOK, I’ll bite…
Why is Iran in a position of power ATM? Couldn’t be your fault, huh Dick? Your team eliminated their enemies and enhanced their leverage.
Now you want to use empty threats to serve as further justification for Iran’s nuclear intentions??
The wild Dick Cheney LSD Tour (’09) is in full swing. Get your tickets now before his (or our) head explodes. Bigger than Barnum and Bailey!!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:03 amWhat an idiot. It was because Bush put them in the “Axis of Evil”, basically threatening them with military force, that they ramped up their nuclear program in the first place. When you threaten people, they threaten back. I swear, cons have no concept of human nature.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amUnited Nations Charter
II.3
“All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.”
Go ahead if you want the U.S. to be a rogue state.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amBig deal. That just proves Liz Cheney is a zombie, whose brain has been eaten by her undead father.
BTW, did you know that your name is an oxymoron?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amConservativeForProgress Says:
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May 13th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Yeah , Ben Smith , that paragon of truth and virtue in journalism ; former New York Sun journalist.
He may as well have worked for the garbage GOP……
May 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amWhen will this evil phuck just die?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amGood lord! These loons really actually believe that their policies WORKED! LOL!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:05 amMaybe we could try some diplomacy instead of threatening to blow up a country killing thousands of innocents for a change. I would like to give that a try… Cheney, would you please get back up on your horse, and plod out to Wyoming?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:06 amNobody will takes us seriously unless we threaten to kill them and their families. Really? This theory worked so well for the Clantons against the Earps at the OK Corral we should adopt it as our official foreign policy with Iran. Earth to the Cheney family: Go away, far far away. Could I make a suggestion; try the Hole In The Wall and pull the rock in behind you when you find it.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:06 amConservativeForProgress Says:
the former Vice President was in fact quite well-received on the hostile Manhattan terrain: He received a round of applause, and a lone hiss, when introduced, and he signed autographs after the event.
So?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:06 amSo Cheney thinks there’s a great “conspiracy” to achieve a different outcome with Iran than he wants? I guess in Cheney’s worldview the State Department is a secret cabal working to avert his vision of World War III. What a nut job.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:11 amUncle Fester Lurks Says:
When will this evil phuck just die?
Cheney is too evil to die.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:12 amTo paraphrase Cheney: “The only way to eliminate Iran as a potential nuclear threat to the world, the US, and conservativism in general is to bomb them into submission.”
Why not? It’s worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Al Qeda is surely so terrified by our military might that they are almost obsolete.
The only way to keep other countries from getting nukes is to nuke ‘em out of existence. (Conservative intelligence and morals operating at full-firing of BOTH neurons, as collectively possessed by conservativism.)
Yay bombs!!!!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:13 amSven Ortmann Says:
Go ahead if you want the U.S. to be a rogue state.
Too late.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:13 amDick Cheney is just what progressives need to keep the crimes of the Bush Administration in the news !
The more he comes out in defence of his own criminality the more opportunities to publicly refute these policies and thereby inform the American public of what the MSM neglected to tell them over the previous 8 years .
May 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amKeep up the good work Dick .
ConservativeForProgress is obviously a groveling sycophant and obsequious worshipper of Darth Cheney, which makes his oxymoron of a name even more ludicrous. This person seemingly has no concern for his own credibility.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amTP, could you please stop highlighting what this nonentity says? Paraphrasing Luther from “48 Hours,” Who gives a fu(k what he thinks?”
May 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Speaking softly, without a big stick worked out really well for Neville Chamberlain, right? (snark)
May 13th, 2009 at 10:12 am
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And taking unprovoked military action against a country that posed no threat to us worked out reakky well for George Bush, right? (truth)
May 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amThe negotiations are “bound to fail unless we are perceived as very credible” in threatening military action
Oh, yes. Credibility . . . the hallmark of the Darth Cheney/GDumbya administration!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:15 amCFP Says:
Speaking softly, without a big stick worked out really well for Neville Chamberlain, right? (snark)
Um…Cheney’s not advocating that. He is suggesting that the US brandish the large stick, in threatening posture – the bully, ready to bludgeon if they don’t get the lunch money.
Sometimes, the implicit strength is more effective than the explicit threat.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:15 amLet see…
9/11 occurred on dicks watch.
Iran went from a dialogue to hell bent building a nuclear reactor after the dubyas and dicks strategic blunder to invade and occupy Iraq.
Dick + Five deferments = nonrelevant
May 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amFunny I didnt hear Cheney threatening Chalabi with bombs when they were skipping around DC holding hands
May 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amI believe that for diplomacy to work, anywhere, the US must convict those responsible for our past torture program and/or lying us into war with Iraq. Our credibility and good faith would be increased tenfold with such a return to the rule of law, justice, and basic fairness. Then, we would be standing once again on the high moral ground and can invite other nations to join us there. The alternate choice is to join hostile nations on the lower moral ground and that has been shown to be disasterous for us and the rest of the world.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Ahh…. the conservative mindset at its finest: there is no diplomacy without aggression. Negotiations without credible violent threats is equitable to submission.
Not a very civilized barbarian, are you?
Does beating your wife make you feel more ‘manly’, or is it just your “domestic negotiation” strategy?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amConservativeForProgress Says:
the former Vice President was in fact quite well-received on the hostile Manhattan terrain:
This is like saying King Kong was well received as he climbed the hostile Empire State building
May 13th, 2009 at 10:19 amCon progress ,
The US spends more on defence annually than virtually the rest of the world combined and is the single largest exporter of death and misery in the form of military hardware to conflicts abroad .
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
May 13th, 2009 at 10:22 amYes, this is so typical. CFP doen’t know why he wants to bomb Iran, other than his master said it should be done. He can’t tell you what Iran has done to hurt the US in the past 30 years, but he doesn’t concern himself with such things. As a mindless authoritarian, he meekly accepts the pronouncments of his lords and runs out to spread their word.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:23 amyeah, and that’s the only time it’s ever been tried. Good point, CFP.
BTW, did you know your name is an oxymoron?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:24 amHow I learned to love the bomb — by getting five deferments
May 13th, 2009 at 10:25 amConservatives need to look at history to find that most of the wrongs connected to Iran had the US in the background pulling some dumb deal and most of the time republicans were the crooks pulling the strings. When Cheney was at Halliburton he was dealing with them and Iraq illegally.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amI’d like to coin the phrase “Snarling Dog” diplomacy…
May 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amSpeaking softly, without a big stick worked out really well for Neville -=CFP=-
And bombing Iraq didnt make it a six month war did it?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amDoes Cheney realize he’s a citizen now?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:29 amshoeless, you can almost hear him utter the phrase:
“Yes, My Master”…
May 13th, 2009 at 10:29 amshoeless Says:
Well said. I would also add, however, that what appears to be a part of the psychological matrix of conservativism is a need to feel superior to others, which seems to be frequently combined with a desire, or passionate lust even, for violence to be used to display this (imagined) ’superiority’.
This lust to harm others as a display of superiority is not necessarily an enjoyment of the violence itself (although it usually IS), but rather it is an almost orgasmic enjoyment of the feeling of power over another human being.
In other words, conservativism is often found united with sociopathic, psychopathic, and meglomaniac behavior patterns.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 amDoes Cheney know he’s a war criminal now?
And what about those moles he left behind? Got mothballs?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am“We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon,…And I will do everything that’s required to prevent it”. – Barack Obama Oct. 7, 2008
Obama seemed to recognize the threat then. He needs to keep America safe now that he is President, and if that requires having the stomach to stand up to a bully then that’s what he needs to do.
The liberal fall back position of bashing Bush is becoming weak.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 amHow does a man who who comitted treason by outing Valerie Plame, and who committed war crimes by approving kidnapping, torture, and murder, have ANY credibility, let alone personal FREEDOM, left at all.
If only the United States had some sort of system of laws in place.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:33 am.
Cheney said:
Nice one Dick…
The Man Who Knew Too Much? A Convenient Suicide in a Libyan Prison
JURIST Guest Columnist Benjamin Davis of the University of Toledo College of Law says the claimed “suicide” in a Libyan prison of al-Qaeda operative Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi is too convenient for too many people who have besmirched American honor in a perversion of rule of law that came from panic and improvisation…..
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2009/05/man-who-knew-too-much-convenient.php
Nothing says conspiracy like coercing a concocted confession from a man through the use of illegal means, eh Dickie?
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May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 amYeah, Neville Chamberlain, that crazy, moonbat liberal…
…oh, wait, he was a conservative. Whoops. How embarrassing for you guys.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 amAh yes, the mad man theory
this idea worked brilliantly during the vietnam era
hahahahahahaha
i think CFP’s point when he posted the tid bit about cheney signing autographs is he must be alright because he doesn’t ALWAYS get boo’d. look, these people were polite too him, only one person in the room couldn’t restrain themselves from hissing.
this is how most people are treated at speaking engagements, the fact that its a news oddity when cheney is treated this way speaks volumes to his character.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 amObama seemed to recognize the threat then. He needs to keep America safe now that he is President, and if that requires having the stomach to stand up to a bully then that’s what he needs to do
I recall when Bush said that about N. Korea…Kim Jong got the bomb and America is still here….
May 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amRomartin16985 Says:
Say… can you define “bully”? What, precisely, is Iran doing that is defined as “bullying”? How has Iran “bullied” the United States? Particualrly in the light of your comment that the President should “stand up to” this “bully”?
And, how is Cheney’s suggestion NOT a case of advocating that the US become bullies?
What gives the US the right to be bullies, while denying that “right” to others?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amObama seemed to recognize the threat then. He needs to keep America safe now that he is President, and if that requires having the stomach to stand up to a bully then that’s what he needs to do.
I also recall a promise to get Bin Laden….dint happen.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amIt has to be said: Dick Cheney is, apparently, given what he says, repeatedly, a raving, psychopathic lunatic.
Literally.
Someone get him a jacket.
Mo Rage
May 13th, 2009 at 10:38 amhttp://www.moravings.blogspot.com
Romartin16985 Says:
“We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon,…And I will do everything that’s required to prevent it”. – Barack Obama Oct. 7, 2008
Obama seemed to recognize the threat then. He needs to keep America safe now that he is President, and if that requires having the stomach to stand up to a bully then that’s what he needs to do.
Bully? Who exactly is Iran bullying? Have they invaded anyone? Threatened to?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:38 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Speaking softly, without a big stick worked out really well for Neville Chamberlain, right? (snark)
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there’s the “big stick” and there’s viagra.
cheney and his soft neo-con allies need viagra.
obama does not. he knows that it’s diplomacy, not
murder, that will our country safe.
:)
your name is an oxymoron.
:)
whatever happened to norman podhoretz
and “new american century” thing of his?
:)
May 13th, 2009 at 10:39 amIt’s a little… disassociative, maybe?… that our Conservative friend reaches back seventy years for an example of diplomacy that failed in an attempt to “prove” that diplomacy will always fail, yet in order to do that, he’s got to race past the sterling example, only six years old, of a massive failure of the course of action he favors — military action against a sovereign nation in the Middle East.
BTW, our friend’s name, “ConservativeForProgress”, is an oxymoron.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:39 amSeeing as it was a Frenchman that coined the term ‘conservative’ I can only snicker…
May 13th, 2009 at 10:40 amralph the wonder locust Says:
It’s a little… disassociative, maybe?… that our Conservative friend reaches back seventy years for an example of diplomacy that failed in an attempt to “prove” that diplomacy will always fail, yet in order to do that, he’s got to race past the sterling example, only six years old, of a massive failure of the course of action he favors — military action against a sovereign nation in the Middle East.
While carefully ignoring Nixon’s diplomacy with China and the Soviet Union — because that whole threatening to blow the crap out of them had worked so well.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:43 amOf course, right-wingers assume that when Obama says “everything that’s required” he must mean military action, because to a right-wing mind, nothing else will work.
More likely, Obama means “everything that’s required” including the icky task of actually talking to (which in RightWingSpeak means “appeasing”) our enemies.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:44 amWell, it is sad to observe that the quality of the trolls here has not improved. Obviously these morons will not engage in discussion to try to defend their positions.
Lame.
Gradeschool lame.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:44 amYou twits, everyone and their brother recognizes Iran as a threat.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:44 amRomartin16985 Says:
The liberal fall back position of bashing Bush is becoming weak.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:45 am============================================================
Nobody has to bash Bush. His record speaks volumes. How is that wingnut approvaL rating going?
You guys, including Cheeney and Scarborough need to understand that we the people rejected your flawed philosophy. We elected Obama to do what he is doing. Now move along, there is nothing for you here. Go play with the other 18%.
Yes, president Obama has shown that he has the stomach to stand up to Dick Cheney.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:46 amYou don’t know why you consider Iran a threat. They haven’t actually done anything you can point to in the past 30 years. Too bad you can’t use your mind for anything other than regurgitating the propaganda of your masters.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:50 amSorry locust, You don’t get to rewrite what then Senator Obama said!!!!
Good try though!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:50 amRomartin16985 Says:
You twits, everyone and their brother recognizes Iran as a threat.
Ah… the logical fallacy of a sweeping generalization, combined with an ad hominem and a little hyperbole.
Have any actual support for that? Because that is not an argument at all. Apparently there are some here who are not part of your “everybody and their brother” category (which is, by the way, your sweeping generalization).
So… what facts are there? How, SPECIFICALLY, is Iran a “bully” (as YOU stated above)?
And, are you now changing your comment from “bully” to “threat”, which does make a difference in the discussion here. What are your goalposts?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:51 amWho said Iran wasn’t a threat? We simply dispute your contention that attacking them is the only way to effectively deal with them. And we’re having a good time doing it.
By the way, weren’t you complaining the other day about progressives “resorting to insults”?
Yeah, I think you were. In light of this, isn’t calling all of us “twits” in your second post on the thread a little… uncivil?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:51 amIt still drives you crazy when someone points out the truth about Bush and his cabal, doesn’t it? I guess you 20% deadenders will never get over your unquestioning love of the stupid monkey you helped to install in the White House.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:52 amWhy is it that the biggest ‘hawks’ always seem to be the ones who have never served a day of their lives in uniform.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:53 amCheney is a coward who sought and obtained FIVE deferments during the Vietnam war.
True to form for a coward, he sees nothing wrong with sending other peoples’ kids of to die for his profit.
Hey Dick. Have you already awarded the no bidrebuilding contracts to Halliburton?
I didn’t rewrite it at all. i simply offered a reasonable interpretation (”everything that’s required” icludes diplomacy), same as you did (”everything that’s required means military action)… except yours wasn’t all that reasonable.
I’d like to give you a “good try!” but you’re gonna hafta earn it. And remember to remain civil, okay? No more name-calling. it makes you look like a hypocrite.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:54 amI find it comical that little dickie is parading around all the media and in speaking event’s with his daughter…Kind of reminds me of poor miserable palin on parade with all the family in toe..We could call this chimps on parade, throwing crap at the cameras to see if anything will stick…LOL…Blessings all.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:54 amRomartin16985 Says: You twits, everyone and their brother recognizes Iran as a threat.
Iraq wasnt a threat and your listening to the same folks now that said that then.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:55 amRomartin16985 Says:
Really… if we are going to discuss anything like intelligent adults, we have to be discussing the same thing: so….
Are you referring to Iran as a “bully” requiring militay action to resolve, or as a “threat” requiring military action to resolve?
And what are some specific examples of the “bully” or “threat”? Without those, you have only your OPINION.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:57 am.
Trollmartin16985 Says:
Oh, and some people say you’re crazy…
… I can quote the ubiquitous “some people” too. Except you wen to the extra deep end of “Everybody”.
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May 13th, 2009 at 10:58 amIran hears these military threats in every day passes, if not from Israel…it is from USA.
They got used to it.
Iranians will not cave in…they will fight back if attacked.
They have one of the strongest ,well equipped armies in the area.
They make their own war equipment and war machines; they have no shortage of people who are willing to die for their country,or weapons of any kind.
The best way is to talk to them.
Threatening Iran and keep waiving the stick will not work with Iran.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:00 amIf attacking Iraq was a big costly mistake by Bush and Cheney, attacking Iran will be a disaster…
I already asked him that question. He has nothing.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:00 amMax Anax junius -1 Says:
Trollmartin16985 Says:
Oh, and some people say you’re crazy…
… I can quote the ubiquitous “some people” too. Except you wen to the extra deep end of “Everybody”.
Went to the deep end of “everybody”, then threw on the leg weights of “and their brother”.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:02 amIf Iran is such a threat, why was Dick Cheney illegally doing billions of dollars worth of business with them when he was CEO of Halliburton?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:02 am.
Trollmartin16985 Says:
Are you sure you want to position yourself as supporting war crimes by denouncing enforcing the law as a Liberal position?
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May 13th, 2009 at 11:04 amYeah, because that’s been working so well. Let’s just keep running into a brick wall. We get beaten half to death and the wall just gets dirty. Seems like a great plan.
Also, I’m confused as to why Liz Cheney is being ran around the circuit as if she’s some sort of credible politician of note. Why should anyone care about her input on torture and safety?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:05 am.
Funny, when Bush/Cheney bashed the Constitution Trollmartin16985 sat there and approved because doing something is bashing Bush? I bet Trollmartin16985 thinks Hitler gave good speeches, too.
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May 13th, 2009 at 11:07 amRomartin16985 Says:
Sorry locust, You don’t get to rewrite what then Senator Obama said!!!!
Good try though!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:50 am
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True. We can’t rewrite any of the pro-war pandering Obama said. And while there are many of us who wish Obama hadn’t taken such a hawkish stance on Iran during the campaign, we also recognize that he had to appease the Israel lobby in order to win.
Now, kindly explain why Iran poses a threat to the United States. Besides the economic threat of their oil bourse as a competition for the petrodollar. What direct security threat does Iran pose to the United States?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:10 amCan you explain what Cheney meant, if not that?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am.
Funny, calling President Obama someone who hangs with terrorists, fist bumps like terrorists, was trained at a Madrassa like a terrorist, and questions the President’s legal birth certificate, not to mention his middle name as if he’s related to a Tyrannical dictator “Former” President Bush concocted lies about the need to illegally invade and overthrow, resulting in the deaths of close to ONE MILLION people and over 4,000 US Service wo/men, is NOT bashing?
Dear Trollmartin16985,
What’s a hypocrite then?
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May 13th, 2009 at 11:11 amWhat a stupid little piece of propaganda this is. Are we supposed to believe that the audience was full of liberals, just because the event was held in “the hostile Manhattan terrain”, and that these Manhattan liberals applauded Dick Cheney? Are there no extremist right-wing Republicans in Manhattan, who could have gone to listen to speechs by Dick Cheney and his daughter?
Who, other than a mindless Republican drone, would believe such nonsense?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:14 amCheney, Bolton, Rice, to name a few, seem intent on starting a war with Iran. so let’s just send them over there and see how it works out for them. We can send Rush, Coleman and Newt also.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:18 ammargarine Says:
Also, I’m confused as to why Liz Cheney is being ran around the circuit as if she’s some sort of credible politician of note. Why should anyone care about her input on torture and safety?
I agree! Nowadays we’re subjected to Megan McCain, Bristol Palin and Liz Cheney. I don’t care what any of them think. Or what ANYONE with the last name Bush thinks either.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:19 amshoeless Says:
I already asked him that question. He has nothing.
I figured, but in the spirit of discussion I thought I would try to propel intelligent discourse. As is typical of our trolls, he apparently can only regurgitate talking points with no support.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:20 amProgressive empathy: imagining oneself in someone else’s circumstances in order to understand their thoughts, feelings, and actions
Neocon projection: imagining that someone else has one’s own maladaptive thoughts, feelings, and actions which are criticized
Cheney and his friends lack empathy and live by projection. They see others as threats because they, themselves, are threats. Without empathy they cannot engage in diplomacy so they denigrate both the empathy and the diplomacy.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:21 amYeah Dick and gleefully blowing the cover of a covert CIA agent whose job was investigating Iran’s nuclear capacity and then scurrying to hide behind W.’s pant legs was just one of your brilliant maneuvers. George and Dick spent six years doing exactly what Dick is advocating now. How’d that work out again Dick?
Dick and his PNAC neocons are pissed off because he couldn’t talk George into bombing Iran before the end of his pathetic term in office.
I wish I knew he was going to be in NYC yesterday. I would have gladly waited around outside just for a chance to tell him and his worthless daughter to go f@ck themselves.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:22 amFor Decades this horrible man has been in DC pushing for his wet dream via PNAC to come to fruition. For Eight years he was the VP of the USA and nothing was accomplished except for an ill advised, ill planned occupation based on a mtn of lies. His company Halliburton raped and pillaged its’ way thru Iraq. Policies of the Bush Admin put this country in near bankruptcy. His behaviour is pathetic and yet he still thinks it’s OK to trot around spewing the same bomb bomb this rhetoric. I feel less safe everytime he opens his ugly mouth. Give it up Cheney….No one cares about you, unless of course you work for Fox News. Let America heal and get back on it’s feet, you’ve done enough damage
May 13th, 2009 at 11:24 amYesterday Liz Cheney was all about her father going to the W/H and giving Obama some advice. I don’t think Obama needs to have Cheney sitting in the Oval office to hear what Cheney thinks since Cheney’s all over the place using the willing media to relay his repugnant thoughts.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:26 amPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
I’ll go even farther (though very well said), and add that their type does not believe in negotiations or diplomacy at all, because in order to negotiate, one MUST be WILLING to compromise. The authoritarian mind does not accept compromise: it DEMANDS unconditional acceptance of its position. Thus, all negotiations from authoritarians are doomed from the beginning because there is no will to compromise: there is only will to enforce their will.
This ties in with the whole “superior” mentality, as that mentality does not allow the self to be wrong in anything. In other words, they are insane, and dangerously so.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:28 amPerfectly encapsulated, PLC.
Also explains why regressives find “empathy” so threatening in a SC justice nominee.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:28 amJeezus, he’s like a rabid dog!
May 13th, 2009 at 11:29 amHonestly, at what point does someone (besides progressives or Dems) begin to question this man’s grasp of reality?
At best, he sounds like a delusional paranoiac; at worst, like a sociopath.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:30 amConforProgress does not seem to realize that quoting other people’s writing word for word without any quotation marks and attribution is plagiarism. Posting a link is not adequate, as not everyone is going to look at it.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:32 amAnd Shoeless is right: not every single person in Manhattan (where I have actually lived) is liberal; so the Cheneys were not necessarily on hostile terrain.
Dick has been the front man for some very powerful interests since he hit the scene way back. He’s kind of the spokesman for the world hegemony crowd. Things obviously aren’t working out too well for them these days. How them Iraqi oil contracts working out for your guys Dick? Bout as good as that Afghani pipeline I bet. Georgia too? Former Soviet block in shambles? Oh no…looks like they blew it about everywhere. Absolute power mixed with insatiable greed is a combination doomed to failure let alone corruption. (I’ve always been skeptical about the term “Worlds Only Super Power”.)
BushCo played a high stakes game with our international political and financial capital then lost badly. I don’t think we’re done, or possibly have even begun, to pay the price as a result. Squawk and justify all ya want Dick…it ain’t gonna work on anyone but the 21% of so you already have.
No secret all that Dick is doing is damage control and a bit of personal a$$ covering. But still being a front man, he has to cheerlead for some pet projects his pals want.
Bomb Iran…We’ll get right on that one Dick.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:32 amgummble-bee-itch Says:
Bully? Who exactly is Iran bullying? Have they invaded anyone? Threatened to?
Don’t you guys read the news? Neocons claim that, these past years, Iran has been threatening to attack the capital of the USA. Y’know, Jerusalem.
/snark
May 13th, 2009 at 11:34 amAnonymouse Says:
Honestly, at what point does someone (besides progressives or Dems) begin to question this man’s grasp of reality?
At best, he sounds like a delusional paranoiac; at worst, like a sociopath.
But he is the epitomy of modern conservative republicanism, and to the “party first, foremost, and last” types that comprise the “base” of the republican party, he is an icon to idolize. The “party first’ types will NEVER denigrate his name, unless he leaves the party. (Gee… haven’t we seen this mindset and its consequences before in the history of the world?………?…)
May 13th, 2009 at 11:35 amWhy doesn’t Dick just sign up as Limpballs sidekick on his radio show. Two lunatics spewing their far right crap….now that would be entertainment!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 11:48 amThank God this man was de-balled in November 2008. If his policies were still in favor in the White House we would be either in, or headed straight for, World War III in the Middle East.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:51 amCheney –
You’re a total idiot and the world will be a better place when you’re no longer part of it, either because of your timely demise or your incarceration for war crimes.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:56 amCheney is actually using his daughter for cover as he moves about the country.
Think about it. He’s threatening Obama and Iran from behind his little girl.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:00 pmCHENEY: YOUR PARTY LOST. GET THE HELL OUT AND STFU!!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pm“We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Not only would it threaten Isreal, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so its unacceptable. And I will do everything thats required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table.” – Barack Obama, second Presidental debate
May 13th, 2009 at 12:04 pmRomart, Obama had to placate Israel to get elected.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:08 pmI think we are seeing who really made the decisions the past eight years. Cheney!
May 13th, 2009 at 12:09 pmGeorge just regurgitated what Cheney told him. No wonder George couldn’t handle press conferences because Dickie wasn’t there to answer for him.
Cheney still thinks he is running the show, guess he hasn’t figured out that Obama isn’t listening to him.
haha
Why shouldn’t Iran be able to defend themselves? US/Israel are not going to attack a nuclear nation. Why can’t they have MAD as a defensive tool for their people?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:13 pmI realize that was part of it heel -
But said it he did. So lets not delude ourselves, he got elected by acting much more like a Republican than the radical liberal he is now.
He is my President also and he will have to account for the promises breaks.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:14 pmAnd what of Israel’s nuclear arsenal? Why don’t they have to be accountable to the world as to their destructive capabilities?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pmLet me get this straight. Romartin and dick Cheney aren’t mad that President Obama has left his options open. They are just ticked off that he doesn’t constantly jump up and down and threaten war with Iran.
Who are the bullies here?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pmRomartin 16985:
As to Obama’s quote about Iran–check this out:
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2004/broken_promise.html
I believe George Bush wins the prize for broken promises.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pmI don’t recall Isreal threatening to wipe any other country off the face of the earth.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pmOk, so Cheney hasn’t a clue what diplomacy is all about. But, we all knew that already, didn’t we.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pmShorter Dick:
Fear Us!
Fear Them!
May 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pmglogrrl,
You have taken your fall back position again.
It really won’t advance the discussion here and beside George Bush is no longer President.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:20 pmWhat broken promise is the troll talking about?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:20 pmRomartin16985 Says: I don’t recall Isreal threatening to wipe any other country off the face of the earth.
Newsflash: I dont live in Israel, I dont live in Iran. I dont live in the middle east and I am sick and tired of hearing about their constant bickering, they need to cut that sheet out and act like like the neighbors they are who share the same GOD.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:21 pmIt really won’t advance the discussion here and beside George Bush is no longer President.
Somebody should tell Vice Cheney.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:22 pmIt really won’t advance the discussion here and beside George Bush is no longer President. -=RM=-
Yet here is the other half of the dynamic duo acting like he is still Veep.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:22 pmRomartin16985 Says:
I don’t recall Isreal threatening to wipe any other country off the face of the earth.
And since Iran didn’t do that either, I guess we don’t have any country that has done it.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Can you believe that just because Arbusto Cowboy is no longer president, the guy who started these wars, is no longer responsible?
Thats some wishful thinking RM. Thats like setting your place of work on fire then quitting and saying “I am not responsible since I no longer work there”
May 13th, 2009 at 12:24 pmX-
Free speech, remember?
Is that all you’ve got?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:24 pmFree speech, remember? Is that all you’ve got?
Free Speech is not running into a movie theater and shouting FYARRRRRR!!!
May 13th, 2009 at 12:26 pmThank you, Bilbo. Everyone always gets that quote wrong.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:28 pmAnd this is another reason not to torture. Who are we to tell any nation how to defend itself? What moral authority do we have anymore?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pmLet’s see, the theory goes like this. Iran hates Israel because of the Palestinian issue. We are afraid that Iran would use nuclear weapons to wipe Isreal from the face of the earth, thus wiping the Palestinians from the face of the earth in the process.
Yeah, that makes sense.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pmRomartin16985 Says:
“We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon,…And I will do everything that’s required to prevent it”. – Barack Obama Oct. 7, 2008
Ok, and what part of that quote indicates that Obama thinks we need to threaten Iran in order to use diplomacy? “Everything that’s required” would include diplomacy, would it not?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pmRomartin16985 Says:
I don’t recall Isreal threatening to wipe any other country off the face of the earth.
Of course you wouldn’t count Palestine because Israel (correct spelling) doesn’t consider them a county.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:32 pmCheney and the ’scoops’ think that because America is the lone superpower it is right to use force. That force MUST be used. They are not interested in diplomacy because diplomacy to them is a bomb.
Imagine if Canada was the lone superpower and constantly threatened us with being bombed back into the stone age because we were enriching uranium
May 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pmSome comparison!
Sorry that you’re disturbed by Cheney holding President Obama to his campaign promise to not take military force off the table.
Sometimes in the real world the President of the United States must show strength of conviction.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pmPut aside all the rhetoric and emotion and compare the arsenal of the two countries: the US and Iran. In dry, sober reflection–is Iran a threat to the US?
I don’t think that old Persia wants to suicide.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pmRomartin16985 Says:
So… “bully” or “threat”? Which is it?
And which have they done to the US? Specific examples please (no links necessary for me, but GIVE examples).
And, it is apparent, you believe that a threat to Israel is something that the US MUST act upon… why do you believe that? How is Israel more important than any other foreign country and deserving of US protections? Has not Israel REFUSED to join in any nuke non-proliferation agreements? Is it not fairly well agreed that Israel holds nuclear weapons illegally?
And what does the President’s election speeches have to do with this? Do you take ALL politicians to STRICT account for all of their campaign promises? Seriously? Then you have been happy with NO ELECTED OFFICIAL in this country, at least. Right?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pmSorry that you’re disturbed by Cheney holding President Obama to his campaign promise to not take military force off the table.
Yeh, that worked so well with Dubya and North Korea…
May 13th, 2009 at 12:38 pmRomartin16985 Says:
And speaking of ‘free speech’ — does that only apply to the US? Is that not a principle that is believed to belong to ALL people? In which case, the comment about the REGIME in Israel is part of FREE SPEECH, no? Or is free speech part of your elitist mindset, and it is not something you are willing to grant to inferior little brown people?
And how is a REGIME the same as a country?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:39 pmPut a stake in him. Please!
May 13th, 2009 at 12:40 pmLets test RMs free speech
Doesnt Wanda Sykes have a right to free speech?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:44 pmCheney and the PNAC Fascists planned and did 911.
I have absolutely no doubt about that.
He is a man who is acting guilty.
He and his cohorts need to be locked-up.
Americans are a stupid lot. Many still think 19 cavedwellers with boxcutters defeated the CIA, FBI, NSA, NORAD and the US Air Force.
Flying around in hijacked airliners for over an hour.
BULSHIT
Hang the Traitors after a fair trial in the HAGUE.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:45 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Sometimes in the real world the President of the United States must show strength of conviction.
Jeez, the USA has already bombed 2 countries back into the Stone Age these past 8 years. The rest of the world has no doubts regarding the USA’s military strength. I don’t think any leader in the freaking world doubts that, if push comes to shove, the USA will pull out the big guns and do it again.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:45 pmO.k. One question at a time seems to be more than enough for RM to try to process (yeah… subtly a dysphemism, but i have not been answered once by this cowardly chickenhawk).
Romartin16985 Says:
Do you hold every politician that gets elected to STRICTLY follow EVERY comment or promise made on the campaign trail?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:50 pmWhat a con these Nixon holdovers have perpetrated! They move aggressively through the Middle East, laying waste to people and resources and still, there are folks who believe they’re acting defensively–in civilization’s interest.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:57 pmWar is peace. Suffering is prosperity. Winning is losing. We must destroy what we want to save.
Or, as me old moniker says:
DieNowForPeace
May 13th, 2009 at 12:57 pmSo.. Iran called for “regime change” in Israel.
My question is, were they following Bush’s example or was Bush following their example?
May 13th, 2009 at 12:59 pmTee hee. Romartin is all about “advancing the discussion”.
This kid has got some serious comedy chops — fer a Republican, anyways.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:01 pmXisithrus Says:
oooh! ooooh! I’LL answer for Rm:
RM says: “Only conservative Christian Republican Americans have free speech, which means that they can say whatever they want whenever they want. Everyone else must be judged BY the Conservative Christian Republicans, and do not have freedom of speech.”
and
“Conservative Christian Republican Americans can make whatever anyone else says mean whatever they want it to, and hold them to the redefined meaning. You do not have the right to explain your meaning… the Conservative Christian Republicans will explain what you meant for you.”
May 13th, 2009 at 1:03 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
This kid has got some serious comedy chops — fer a Republican, anyways.
You’re too kind. I don’t see comedy. Same old, same old, if you ask me….
But your point is taken.
Its just trying to appear smart by mimicking observed comments here.
Like a monkey with a typewriter.
And about as stimulating.
Except, at least the monkey would be interesting from an anthropological standpoint.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:07 pmAnd sometimes the President of the United States must be convicted.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:14 pm“Everybody’s in a giant conspiracy to achieve a different objective than the one we want to achieve,” Cheney said.
absolutely insane… who is this “we” you speak of, dick? you and your rifle?
May 13th, 2009 at 1:15 pmCHENEY IS TOTALLY INSANE and it’s sad some are following him. But as History has shown many followed Hitler too. Liz has two son’s and three daughters and I’m sure seeing the photo’s of the children that were torture my the US, will have Liz’s support. Yes the Cheney children will follow Grandpa Darth’s policy of the famous 5 deferments and being cowardly and let others protect the country. Sometimes life gives us lessons as was done when God let the Pharaoh decide his own fait. Liz might be doing the same thing to here own children. Becareful what you wish for and what you said it just might come back at you and your love ones.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:15 pmAttacking and occupying Iran’s two closest neighbors , is just not enough to let them know we could use force against them …….right ?
May 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pmOver throwing their government and imposing a brutal dictatorship on their people was very successful ….. right ?
Arming Saddam , a brutal dictator to the teeth for a war against them ,which took more than a million lives , because we were sore we couldn’t keep toppling their government was a show of good will …….. right ?
I’m so confused …….. right ?
Please Romartin16985 help me out here .
May 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pmIf the bombs start falling, Dick will be in a secret undisclosed location in Wyoming, far from any blowback that may occur.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pmwhateverless,
I refer you back to my post #106.
These statements seemed reasonable to most American citizens, as Senator Obama is now President Obama.
You are the minority here.
Join us in the present. President Bush and Vice President Cheney are now out of office.
I know its hard to hear but they will not end up in prison as you would like. Its best to deal with the President we have now, and how to move forward from where we are now.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:50 pmRomartin, you seem to have an extremely narrow field of vision when interpreting statements.
You appear to be trying to make the case that when President Obama says “I will do everything thats required to prevent (Iran developing nuclear weapons). And we will never take military options off the table,” that he is saying the same thing as Cheney’s claim that the negotiations are “bound to fail unless we are perceived as very credible” in threatening military action against Iran.
Obama says that military options are available, but he is not saying that diplomacy will fail unless those options are “perceived as very credible”. As freeman said in post 151, the recent invasions of two of Iran’s neighbors should be enough to make them credible. (of course, if those invasions had been better handled, the threat might have carried even more weight today, but that’s spilled milk, isn’t it?)
If you imagine that Obama’s approach to Iran or any other nation will be even a fraction as militaristic as Cheney’s, you’re dreaming one of your Romartin-as-GI Joe wetdreams.
What Obama said was prudent and thoughtful. MIlitary options will always be available to him, as Commander-in-Chief. However, the efficacy of those options have proved less than desired, as was predicted by many of us before they were employed in Iraq six years ago. The diplomacy-by-threat strategy didn’t work with North Korea, it didn’t work with Iran and it won’t work in the future.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:04 pmshoeless,
I’m getting worried about you.
You make no sense.
Of course then Senator Obama was connecting the two, negotiate from strength.
Why say such a thing then?
He wasn’t giving a discourse on the powers available to the President of the United States. He was answering a question about his position on Iran.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:18 pmExcuse me shoeless, this statement goes to locust as I now see.
I hope you don’t agree with his nonsense.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:19 pmCheney is more frightening than twenty Osama bin Ladens.
Cheney is pure, unadulterated evil.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pmSo, Romartin, it’s your contention that when a President acknowledges that “military action is on the table” that the only possible way he could have meant that was as a threat?
You say, “He wasn’t giving a discourse on the powers available to the President of the United States.” You must not pay much attention to the President’s speaking style. He frequently places his answers in greater context, i. e., in the context of the powers available to the President of the United States.” This might be a foreign concept to you, as you seem pretty dead-set on convincing yourself that President Obama is just as hot to attack Iran as Cheney was. Good luck with that. And when Reality intrudes, pay it no mind.
Whether you’re worried about me, or think I make any sense is really not of much interest to me, (it’s actually kind of amusing) since you’ve proven to have very little to offer in the way of insight, perspective or logical consistency. This exchange is a potent example. I was pretty sure you wouldn’t be able to grasp what I was saying, but I figured I’d give it a shot anyway.
May 13th, 2009 at 2:38 pm“For diplomacy to work, U.S. must threaten to bomb Iran.”
Is it just me or do these things in bold above contradict each other? This guy is a neocon, fear based, war monger. Put this SOB in jail already!
“There is no crime that a man will not commit in order to save himself.” Tadeusz Borowski
May 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Its best to deal with the President we have now, and how to move forward from where we are now.
“Move forward” my left foot. Did America “move forward” after 9/11? No, they went after the criminals responsible for it.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability?
May 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pmHey locust,
Now YOU’RE guilty of torturing logic.
Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people.
May 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pmCheney and his neo-con Nazi brigade sincerely believe that everybody hates “us”, are jealous of “us”, therefore, Fck’m all, bomb them all and make sure and take out 1/3 of China just to prove who’s top dog on the planet.
Look it up on that “New World Order” site…that’s basically what it says and is his philosophy. His daughter will be fodder the day she openly disagrees with daddy dearest.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmRomartin, I take your assessment in the light of the level of insight you’ve demonstrated on this forum.
Good thing you don’t resort to insults, huh? That would be uncivil.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pmwatchpup, I asked this of another troll earlier, and he failed to respond. Maybe you can do better.
You say the headline is “misleading”.
Here’s the headline:
Cheney: For diplomacy to work, U.S. must threaten to bomb Iran.
Here’s what the Politico article reported on Cheney’s remarks::
The negotiations are “bound to fail unless we are perceived as very credible” in threatening military action against Iran, (Cheney) said.
Please explain how the headline misleads? Is it TP’s judicious use of the shorthand term “bombing” instead of “military action”?
May 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pmLocust, locust, locust,
You’re unable to get the subtle way in which I technically did not insult you, but no matter take it the way you will.
Yet you are able to read nuances in the statements of the President which aren’t there…….
May 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pmSo… “Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people” is not technically an insult in your world?
Hokay… I think I see where you’re coming from. And it’s pretty much where I figured all along.
As I said, I will take your assessments and analyses in the light of the level of insight and intelligence you’ve demonstrated on this forum. Fair enough?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pmSeems fair enough to me but whatever…
May 13th, 2009 at 7:01 pmSo ralph are you busy tonight?
Am I busy, dbadass? Not really. The trolls tonight aren’t putting up much of a challenge. Need a hand with some research?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pmHey dbadass, did you catch our friend’s amateurish attempt to insult me while maintaining plausible deniability if I should call him on it?
Only problem was, he concentrated on the “deniability” and forgot about the “plausible” part. Terribly uncivil of him don’t you think?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:06 pmIndeed but I must admit I am more amused by the recent announcement of my approach to dating….
May 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pmApproach to dating? I missed that. Which thread?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pmsince when was Dick Cheney involved with olicy in the Obama administration. I wish he’s shut the fu*k up!
May 13th, 2009 at 8:35 pmhere is a website
May 14th, 2009 at 12:59 amwith some of Dick cheney’s
secrets….
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/cheney_s_secrets.html