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	<title>Comments on: Gibbs: &#8216;Nothing Is Added&#8217; By The Release Of The &#8216;Sensationalistic&#8217; Photos</title>
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		<title>By: TAMER</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-4/#comment-5645879</link>
		<dc:creator>TAMER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you. Beatifull Archile !<br />
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		<title>By: Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-4/#comment-5642008</link>
		<dc:creator>Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ACLU shouldn&#039;t take the Obama decision personally. 

This is politics and there is a common sense argument that the release of MORE DISGRACEFUL torture photos will re-inflame tensions in the middle east at a time when Obama is trying to turn the page on RACIST Jewish lobby/Neo Con diplomacy in the region. 

Why isn&#039;t the ACLU putting more effort in investigating physical abuse, rape, sodomy, and TORTURE IN AMERICA??? What about the punk police who continue to abuse AMERICANS. 

After 9/11, the usual suspects: Racist redneck correctional and police officers abused and raped AMERICAN born muslims (mostly black).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ACLU shouldn&#8217;t take the Obama decision personally. </p>
<p>This is politics and there is a common sense argument that the release of MORE DISGRACEFUL torture photos will re-inflame tensions in the middle east at a time when Obama is trying to turn the page on RACIST Jewish lobby/Neo Con diplomacy in the region. </p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t the ACLU putting more effort in investigating physical abuse, rape, sodomy, and TORTURE IN AMERICA??? What about the punk police who continue to abuse AMERICANS. </p>
<p>After 9/11, the usual suspects: Racist redneck correctional and police officers abused and raped AMERICAN born muslims (mostly black).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5642008', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cats r Flyfishn</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-4/#comment-5641915</link>
		<dc:creator>Cats r Flyfishn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not a &quot;reactionary&quot;.  He thinks before he acts and it may take time to think through the best action.  We have become so accustomed to the Bush/Cheney and right wing-nut quick reactions to everything that it will take some time for us to get used to the thoughtful responses of President Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not a &#8220;reactionary&#8221;.  He thinks before he acts and it may take time to think through the best action.  We have become so accustomed to the Bush/Cheney and right wing-nut quick reactions to everything that it will take some time for us to get used to the thoughtful responses of President Obama.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641915', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hanshiro the antlion</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanshiro the antlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;137. OS Says: Any body that wants these photos out cares not about our soldiers. Plain and simple. &lt;/em&gt;

Anyone who &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; want these photos out cares not about justice, accountability, the numerous treaties that were broken, democracy, and the foundations upon which this country was supposedly founded.

The entire ugly truth, brought to the &lt;em&gt;full light of day&lt;/em&gt;, is the absolute only way to expel the toxicity before any reparation and real healing can begin. Any psychologist can tell you that. However, any psychologist can also tell you that &lt;em&gt;concealment&lt;/em&gt; of heinous crimes only guarantees the likelihood of a national psychosis and perpetuation of an insane &quot;american exceptionalism.&quot;

The kind of national psychosis that, without exception, has preceded the downfall of countless governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>137. OS Says: Any body that wants these photos out cares not about our soldiers. Plain and simple. </em></p>
<p>Anyone who <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> want these photos out cares not about justice, accountability, the numerous treaties that were broken, democracy, and the foundations upon which this country was supposedly founded.</p>
<p>The entire ugly truth, brought to the <em>full light of day</em>, is the absolute only way to expel the toxicity before any reparation and real healing can begin. Any psychologist can tell you that. However, any psychologist can also tell you that <em>concealment</em> of heinous crimes only guarantees the likelihood of a national psychosis and perpetuation of an insane &#8220;american exceptionalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The kind of national psychosis that, without exception, has preceded the downfall of countless governments.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641867', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriotic Anopheles Acting</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Patriotic Anopheles Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts.&quot;
-Abraham Lincoln

&quot;We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.&quot;
-John F. Kennedy

&quot;The best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation.&quot;
-Jimmy Carter

&quot;The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.&quot; 
 
-Flannery O&#039;Connor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts.&#8221;<br />
-Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.&#8221;<br />
-John F. Kennedy</p>
<p>&#8220;The best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation.&#8221;<br />
-Jimmy Carter</p>
<p>&#8220;The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.&#8221; </p>
<p>-Flannery O&#8217;Connor<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641862', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;THe facts are, you dont study, you are not educated, you have no skills.&lt;/em&gt;

A veritable field of strawmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>THe facts are, you dont study, you are not educated, you have no skills.</em></p>
<p>A veritable field of strawmen.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641856', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;USA is done.&lt;/em&gt;

Tales of our demise are premature.

&lt;em&gt;I dont! Every soldier should die! Its a voluntary army of yours!&lt;/em&gt;

Except many choose the military because they can&#039;t find employment, making it an economic draft, for many soldiers.

&lt;em&gt;You just dont get it. 6 billion people minus your 300 million, will work alot harder and longer for a fraction of what you as American workers offer!&lt;/em&gt;

American airlines don&#039;t use foreign mechanics, because they aren&#039;t as thorough at inspection, or as trustworthy at keeping traceability of parts documented, so that if a plane goes down, others with the same series number of parts can be inspected, and repaired if necessary.  And when was the last time you heard of an American building collapsing from poor design or shoddy workmanship?  Can&#039;t say the same for other countries, especially in Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>USA is done.</em></p>
<p>Tales of our demise are premature.</p>
<p><em>I dont! Every soldier should die! Its a voluntary army of yours!</em></p>
<p>Except many choose the military because they can&#8217;t find employment, making it an economic draft, for many soldiers.</p>
<p><em>You just dont get it. 6 billion people minus your 300 million, will work alot harder and longer for a fraction of what you as American workers offer!</em></p>
<p>American airlines don&#8217;t use foreign mechanics, because they aren&#8217;t as thorough at inspection, or as trustworthy at keeping traceability of parts documented, so that if a plane goes down, others with the same series number of parts can be inspected, and repaired if necessary.  And when was the last time you heard of an American building collapsing from poor design or shoddy workmanship?  Can&#8217;t say the same for other countries, especially in Asia.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641855', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: right.wing.leftwing</title>
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		<dc:creator>right.wing.leftwing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>f**k the USA soldiers!
WHo gives a r*ts a** if they die?

I dont! Every soldier should die! Its a voluntary army of yours!

THey volunteered under their own free will to rape and pillage in the name of the greatest EVIL that the world has ever known.
That is the USA!

Child labor slavery so you fat slobs dont have to make your own shoes. Way overpriced cars. India has a  car for 2500$ that rivals the best of your failed American car companies.

You just dont get it. 6 billion people minus your 300 million, will work alot harder and longer for a fraction of what you as American workers offer!
You are so dumb, fat, obese Americans. You fell for Obama&#039;s swan song like chumps. He cant change the facts on the ground. THe facts are, you dont study, you are not educated, you have no skills. You cant borrow your way to utopia. USA is done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>f**k the USA soldiers!<br />
WHo gives a r*ts a** if they die?</p>
<p>I dont! Every soldier should die! Its a voluntary army of yours!</p>
<p>THey volunteered under their own free will to rape and pillage in the name of the greatest EVIL that the world has ever known.<br />
That is the USA!</p>
<p>Child labor slavery so you fat slobs dont have to make your own shoes. Way overpriced cars. India has a  car for 2500$ that rivals the best of your failed American car companies.</p>
<p>You just dont get it. 6 billion people minus your 300 million, will work alot harder and longer for a fraction of what you as American workers offer!<br />
You are so dumb, fat, obese Americans. You fell for Obama&#8217;s swan song like chumps. He cant change the facts on the ground. THe facts are, you dont study, you are not educated, you have no skills. You cant borrow your way to utopia. USA is done<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641848', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Anax junius -1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Anax junius -1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 08:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hanshiro,
Obama lost me when, as a Senator, he voted to cover up for warrantless wire tapping of Americans, knowing that he would most likely become the next President of the USA. And even today, he reinforces why I didn&#039;t vote for him.

I made a conscious choice, in 2005, to never vote for a person who is willing to usurp my Rights. And to this day, neither of my Senators will get my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hanshiro,<br />
Obama lost me when, as a Senator, he voted to cover up for warrantless wire tapping of Americans, knowing that he would most likely become the next President of the USA. And even today, he reinforces why I didn&#8217;t vote for him.</p>
<p>I made a conscious choice, in 2005, to never vote for a person who is willing to usurp my Rights. And to this day, neither of my Senators will get my vote.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641829', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Anax junius -1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641828</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Anax junius -1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 08:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Dear TheDiplomat,
So, are you positioning yourself to mean that keeping our troops mired in an illegal war that keeps graveyards in foreign lands filled to capacity, isn&#039;t the greatest target on our troops back? 

See no evil
Hear no evil
Speak no evil

.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Dear TheDiplomat,<br />
So, are you positioning yourself to mean that keeping our troops mired in an illegal war that keeps graveyards in foreign lands filled to capacity, isn&#8217;t the greatest target on our troops back? </p>
<p>See no evil<br />
Hear no evil<br />
Speak no evil</p>
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		<title>By: Libellula saturata Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641791</link>
		<dc:creator>Libellula saturata Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And anyone who &quot;cared for our soldiers&quot; WOULDN&#039;T HAVE PROMOTED TORTURE. 

Put the blame WHERE IT BELONGS, moron: on Bush and Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And anyone who &#8220;cared for our soldiers&#8221; WOULDN&#8217;T HAVE PROMOTED TORTURE. </p>
<p>Put the blame WHERE IT BELONGS, moron: on Bush and Cheney.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641791', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Libellula saturata Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641790</link>
		<dc:creator>Libellula saturata Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;d be an expert on broken promises after EIGHT YEARS of the Chimperor&#039;s rule, eh?

Spare me. Obama&#039;s been in office for a little over 100 DAYS. I&#039;m not ready to write him off yet. 

You idiot Pukes are *STILL* defending Chimpy. 

Got stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;d be an expert on broken promises after EIGHT YEARS of the Chimperor&#8217;s rule, eh?</p>
<p>Spare me. Obama&#8217;s been in office for a little over 100 DAYS. I&#8217;m not ready to write him off yet. </p>
<p>You idiot Pukes are *STILL* defending Chimpy. </p>
<p>Got stupid?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641790', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641723</link>
		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the reason for the refusal (Will incite militants) - doesn&#039;t that make it reasonable for me to assume that they are far worse than what has already been released ?

The monster you can&#039;t see, but can only imagine, is far worse than the reality of the monster which really exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the reason for the refusal (Will incite militants) &#8211; doesn&#8217;t that make it reasonable for me to assume that they are far worse than what has already been released ?</p>
<p>The monster you can&#8217;t see, but can only imagine, is far worse than the reality of the monster which really exists.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641723', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Libellula saturata Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641722</link>
		<dc:creator>Libellula saturata Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eat sh*t, OS - we aren&#039;t the authoritarians marching in lockstep. One reason why the Repukes were able to steal power is because we Democrats *don&#039;t* march in lockstep like you. 

If Obama breaks his promises to us - we will break *him*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eat sh*t, OS &#8211; we aren&#8217;t the authoritarians marching in lockstep. One reason why the Repukes were able to steal power is because we Democrats *don&#8217;t* march in lockstep like you. </p>
<p>If Obama breaks his promises to us &#8211; we will break *him*.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641722', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Libellula saturata Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641720</link>
		<dc:creator>Libellula saturata Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to see these photos. They need to be plastered on every single teevee in every single American household for one simple reason:

SO WE WILL NEVER AGAIN ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. 

As long as there are no pictures, there will be wingnuts demanding &quot;harsh interrogations&quot; &quot;because they work.&quot; 

They do not work, and we fat and stupid moronic Americans NEED TO SEE THAT IN TECHNICOLOR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to see these photos. They need to be plastered on every single teevee in every single American household for one simple reason:</p>
<p>SO WE WILL NEVER AGAIN ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. </p>
<p>As long as there are no pictures, there will be wingnuts demanding &#8220;harsh interrogations&#8221; &#8220;because they work.&#8221; </p>
<p>They do not work, and we fat and stupid moronic Americans NEED TO SEE THAT IN TECHNICOLOR.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641720', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hanshiro the antlion</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641656</link>
		<dc:creator>hanshiro the antlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Today, Obama reiterated his concern that the photos might endanger U.S. troops serving abroad and have a &quot;chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse.&quot; Unlike Gibbs, Obama said that there was nothing sensational about the photos: &quot;I want to emphasize that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib. But they do represent conduct that did not conform with the Army Manual.&lt;/em&gt;

This. Is.A.Lie.

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;same Greenwald post:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Compare what Obama said today about these photographs with what was said about them previously by the Government to justify their concealment and see if you believe Obama (h/t Jim White):

Obama today:  &quot;I want to emphasize that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the images we remember from Abu Ghraib.  But they do represent conduct that didn&#039;t conform with the Army manual.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Editor &amp; Publisher, September 29, 2005:  
&lt;em&gt;
    Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of &quot;rape and murder&quot; and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were &quot;blatantly sadistic&quot; . . . .

    What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, &quot;I mean, I looked at them last night, and they&#039;re hard to believe.&quot; They show acts &quot;that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane,&quot; he added. . . .

    &quot;&#039;The American public needs to understand we&#039;re talking about rape and murder here. We&#039;re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,&#039; Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. &#039;We&#039;re talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.&#039;. . .

    In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: &quot;Some of the worse that happened that you don&#039;t know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men ... . The women were passing messages saying &#039;Please come and kill me, because of what&#039;s happened.&#039;

    &quot;Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it&#039;s going to come out.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Does that sound like some banal, tame, unenlightening evidence compared to the Abu Ghraib photos?&lt;/strong&gt;  As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument -- now the Obama argument -- that disclosure would jeopradize the troops:  &quot;the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama is wrong and a very poor bush apologist. If he keeps standing in the way of justice, his political career will be ground beneath the wheels; I for one will aggressively campaign against him if he doesn&#039;t knock this pathetic bush-coverup sh¡t off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Today, Obama reiterated his concern that the photos might endanger U.S. troops serving abroad and have a &#8220;chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse.&#8221; Unlike Gibbs, Obama said that there was nothing sensational about the photos: &#8220;I want to emphasize that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib. But they do represent conduct that did not conform with the Army Manual.</em></p>
<p>This. Is.A.Lie.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/" rel="nofollow">same Greenwald post:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Compare what Obama said today about these photographs with what was said about them previously by the Government to justify their concealment and see if you believe Obama (h/t Jim White):</p>
<p>Obama today:  &#8220;I want to emphasize that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the images we remember from Abu Ghraib.  But they do represent conduct that didn&#8217;t conform with the Army manual.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Editor &amp; Publisher, September 29, 2005:<br />
<em><br />
    Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of &#8220;rape and murder&#8221; and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were &#8220;blatantly sadistic&#8221; . . . .</p>
<p>    What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, &#8220;I mean, I looked at them last night, and they&#8217;re hard to believe.&#8221; They show acts &#8220;that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane,&#8221; he added. . . .</p>
<p>    &#8220;&#8216;The American public needs to understand we&#8217;re talking about rape and murder here. We&#8217;re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,&#8217; Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. &#8216;We&#8217;re talking about rape and murder &#8212; and some very serious charges.&#8217;. . .</p>
<p>    In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: &#8220;Some of the worse that happened that you don&#8217;t know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men &#8230; . The women were passing messages saying &#8216;Please come and kill me, because of what&#8217;s happened.&#8217;</p>
<p>    &#8220;Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it&#8217;s going to come out.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Does that sound like some banal, tame, unenlightening evidence compared to the Abu Ghraib photos?</strong>  As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument &#8212; now the Obama argument &#8212; that disclosure would jeopradize the troops:  &#8220;the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama is wrong and a very poor bush apologist. If he keeps standing in the way of justice, his political career will be ground beneath the wheels; I for one will aggressively campaign against him if he doesn&#8217;t knock this pathetic bush-coverup sh¡t off.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641656', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/13/gibbs-photo-releas/comment-page-3/#comment-5641652</link>
		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes nothing is added by the photo release. Just honesty and transparency and a promise made by Obama. But aside from those picky things nothing important. 

Obama is breaking promises faster then he was at making them. And since I no longer listen to him, three months into his tenure, it will be a long four years. 

No one is going to jail or being fired for financial corruption. No one is going to be investigated with an eye to prosecution for torture. No one is going to be investigated or jailed for treason. In other words all these criminals of the Bush crime family are going to tap dance away faster then a Fred Astaire routine.

We are a corrupt, shallow, semi free, semi democratic, semi civilized nation. And we have a semi administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes nothing is added by the photo release. Just honesty and transparency and a promise made by Obama. But aside from those picky things nothing important. </p>
<p>Obama is breaking promises faster then he was at making them. And since I no longer listen to him, three months into his tenure, it will be a long four years. </p>
<p>No one is going to jail or being fired for financial corruption. No one is going to be investigated with an eye to prosecution for torture. No one is going to be investigated or jailed for treason. In other words all these criminals of the Bush crime family are going to tap dance away faster then a Fred Astaire routine.</p>
<p>We are a corrupt, shallow, semi free, semi democratic, semi civilized nation. And we have a semi administration.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641652', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks a lot very good

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks a lot very good</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hikayelerevi.net" title="Hikaye" rel="nofollow">Hikaye</a><br />
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		<title>By: sacopenapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>sacopenapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t one single day that this administration does not disapoint me...
The Afegan and Pakistan wars and the continuing re-branding the Iraq occupation...
I hope &#039;Chalmers Johnson&#039; is wrong, but I very much doubt he is mistaken. Saddly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t one single day that this administration does not disapoint me&#8230;<br />
The Afegan and Pakistan wars and the continuing re-branding the Iraq occupation&#8230;<br />
I hope &#8216;Chalmers Johnson&#8217; is wrong, but I very much doubt he is mistaken. Saddly!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641635', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hanshiro the antlion</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanshiro the antlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I hope Obama gets slammed for this two-faced tapdance.

He did this with telecom immunity. He did this with the State Secrets policy, and now he&#039;s spending more political capital on another reversal that his acolytes will step up and blindly defend.

I think the &#039;anointed&#039; veneer has worn off with this latest flip-flop. (It wore off for me with the immunity vote.) Obama needs a wallop of public outrage to discourage his wholesale cover of bush atrocities, and make no mistake, it&#039;s exactly what he&#039;s doing.

By fighting release of this evidence, Obama is not only appearing guilty and suspect of another coverup, he is confirming for those affected that there&#039;s something to hide rather than electing to release the photos and taking the responsibility for the obvious misconduct and criminal wrongdoing that this evidence represents.

Obama &lt;em&gt;ain&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; stepping up, he&#039;s opting for the convenience of denial rather than the necessity of the global Mea Culpa that these photos demand.

Obama&#039;s taking the cowardly road.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More from Greenwald:
&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Obama&#039;s latest effort to conceal evidence of Bush era crimes
&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s difficult to react much to Obama&#039;s complete reversal today of his own prior decision to release photographs depicting extreme detainee abuse by the United States.  He&#039;s left no doubt that this is what he does:  ever since he was inaugurated, Obama has taken one extreme step after the next to keep concealed both the details and the evidence of Bush&#039;s crimes, including rendition, torture and warrantless eavesdropping.  The ACLU&#039;s Amrit Singh -- who litigated the thus-far-successful FOIA lawsuit to compel disclosure of these photographs -- is exactly right:

&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;em&gt;The reversal is another indication of a continuance of the Bush administration policies under the Obama administration.  &lt;strong&gt;President Obama&#039;s promise of accountability is meaningless&lt;/strong&gt;, this is inconsistent with his promise of transparency, it violates the government&#039;s commitment to the court. People need to examine these abusive photographs, but also the government officials need to be held accountable.&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obambusha?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I hope Obama gets slammed for this two-faced tapdance.</p>
<p>He did this with telecom immunity. He did this with the State Secrets policy, and now he&#8217;s spending more political capital on another reversal that his acolytes will step up and blindly defend.</p>
<p>I think the &#8216;anointed&#8217; veneer has worn off with this latest flip-flop. (It wore off for me with the immunity vote.) Obama needs a wallop of public outrage to discourage his wholesale cover of bush atrocities, and make no mistake, it&#8217;s exactly what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>By fighting release of this evidence, Obama is not only appearing guilty and suspect of another coverup, he is confirming for those affected that there&#8217;s something to hide rather than electing to release the photos and taking the responsibility for the obvious misconduct and criminal wrongdoing that this evidence represents.</p>
<p>Obama <em>ain&#8217;t</em> stepping up, he&#8217;s opting for the convenience of denial rather than the necessity of the global Mea Culpa that these photos demand.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s taking the cowardly road.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/" rel="nofollow">More from Greenwald:<br />
</a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Obama&#8217;s latest effort to conceal evidence of Bush era crimes<br />
</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to react much to Obama&#8217;s complete reversal today of his own prior decision to release photographs depicting extreme detainee abuse by the United States.  He&#8217;s left no doubt that this is what he does:  ever since he was inaugurated, Obama has taken one extreme step after the next to keep concealed both the details and the evidence of Bush&#8217;s crimes, including rendition, torture and warrantless eavesdropping.  The ACLU&#8217;s Amrit Singh &#8212; who litigated the thus-far-successful FOIA lawsuit to compel disclosure of these photographs &#8212; is exactly right:</p>
<blockquote><p> <em>The reversal is another indication of a continuance of the Bush administration policies under the Obama administration.  <strong>President Obama&#8217;s promise of accountability is meaningless</strong>, this is inconsistent with his promise of transparency, it violates the government&#8217;s commitment to the court. People need to examine these abusive photographs, but also the government officials need to be held accountable.</em>
</p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>Obambusha?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5641627', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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