In A Speech About Making The GOP More Relevant, Steele Calls Same-Sex Spouses A Burden On Businesses
In A Speech About Making The GOP More Relevant, Steele Calls Same-Sex Spouses A Burden On Businesses
This morning, RNC chairman Michael Steele delivered a speech to the delegates of the Georgia Republican convention. Steele made opening the GOP to more voices a theme of his remarks, declaring that Republicans need to “be relevant” and “engage.” However, in that same address, Steele spoke out against same-sex marriage, saying that such spouses become a huge burden on small businesses:
In a breakfast speech to delegates of the Georgia Republican convention, Steele put himself in the shoes of a small business owner having to pay for health care and life insurance for a same-sex couple.
“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,” Steele said. “So how do I pay for that? Who pays for that? You just cost me money.”
Presumably, Steele is still in favor of “opposite marriage.” Those spouses also claim health care and life insurance and put no less a burden on businesses than same-sex spouses. In fact, a 2008 study by the Williams Institute at University of California, Los Angeles School of Law found that legalizing same-sex marriage in that state “could create hundreds of new jobs and pump hundreds of millions of dollars into California’s economy”:
Gay couples are projected to spend $684 million on flowers, cakes, hotels, photographers and other wedding services over the next three years – so long as voters don’t put a halt to the same-sex marriage spree. [...]
The study estimates that over the next three years, gay weddings will generate $64 million in additional tax revenue for the state, and another $9 million in marriage-license fees for counties.
Steele actually used his small-business example as a way to appeal to a broader base of the public without changing the GOP platform. “You don’t have to wear your pants cut down here or the big bling,” Steele said. “It’s a metaphor for taking this party to places and to people that we’ve either forgotten about, ignored or feel don’t want to engage with us.”
At a speech later in the day, Steele once again reiterated that while more moderates should join the GOP, the party isn’t actually going to change its views. “We don’t have to re-make anything. What do we have to re-make? Our values?” he asked. “We’re not too conservative. The liberals are jerking this country so far to the left we look like we’re too conservative.” He also acknowledged, “I’m a little different. I can be controversial at times. I can give people angina, even within my own party.”
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From off the AP wire.Just a little something to get you heartless partial birth abortion supporters on this site hot and mad lol.
Poll: More Americans calling themselves pro-life
May 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090516/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_poll;_ylt=Aki.KTwYs_El5HCeG0BRfARp24cA
I’m a little out of it today…is that statement by Steele as mind-numbingly stupid as I think it is?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pmSteele Calls Same-Sex Spouses A Burden On Businesses
– - It’s important to point out here that Steele is dumber than Wurzelbacher.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pm“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,” Steele said. “So how do I pay for that? Who pays for that? You just cost me money.”
So, Mr. Steele, what you’re saying is that any time an employer hires a single person, he should never have to pay for that employee’s spouse’s health insurance should that employee ever get married to someone outside the company?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pmMichael, put aside covering employee costs — the last time you tried to run a business you almost lost your home!
May 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pmAren’t the costs of employer-provided health care a business deduction for the business owner? Isn’t that why they do it at all in the first place? To lower their tax burden?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pmSteele is a Burden On Social Progress.
Steele- The gift that keeps on giving…..
May 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pmFrom where I sit… I’d have to say it is.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pmI just love it when Steele speaks — he is comic relief every time.
Now employers will hold it against employees who marry?
Yesterday someone had no spouse, today he does and that costs money.
Does Mr. foot-in-his-mouth say the same thing when an “opposite couple” get married? Do repugs have to pass a stupidity test?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pmMarie Says:
Do repugs have to pass a stupidity test?
– - Yes, and it’s pass/fail. And they frequently take refesher courses and audit classes.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pmRNC chairman Michael Steele “…I can give people angina, even within my own party.”
Would you mind having Dick Cheney over some night for a little dinner party?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pm#1 – off topic, though I feel the need to respond
I call myself pro-life personally but pro-choice in policy. Why? Because the very people who want abortion out of mainstream society support for-profit health care, oppose contraceptives & fail to recognize that we have an infant mortality rate worse than 28 other countries out of substandard medical care and other indicators.
So take your emotional wedgie issue someplace else. No liberals are “supporters” of abortion.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pmI’m really beginning to think that Michael Steele is just a opportunistic politician with liberal leanings, who has infiltrated the republican party.
Nobody who has made it to the positions he’s held can be this stupid lol.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pmSo same-sex marriage is a threat to small business owners because they will have to pay more for health coverage for their employees?
Good argument for universal coverage.
Let’s try a little thought experiment, folks…
Consider an alternate universe where the state provides health care for its citizens. A bright health industry entrepreneur decides he can make more money by opening the field up to a for-profit model. But how to replace the government support?
Easy, he thinks, businesses should offer health coverage as part of their compensation packages!
How do you think the pro-business community would react to that idea?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pmNobody supports any abortions you ignorant a$$wipe. Maybe if you ignorant inbred hicks had an actual family planning program the last 8 years instead of abstinence only there wouldn’t be any need for any abortions. Now STFU.
Besides who was going to pay for all the unwanted babies born from your failed program with no health insurance. Conservatives? I don’t think so.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pmIs Michael still in the hizzah? LOL
May 16th, 2009 at 2:19 pmJust flag ‘im. Anyone who starts off with a comment as troglodytic as that one deserves no attention.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pmHe’s no dumber than the rest of you morons.
Oh, there’s not need for abortions with same sex couples is there, idiot.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pmYes but often the costs are so onerous that employers don’t make a profit anyway.
Regardless, most employers don’t pay for spouse benefits.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pmRepublicans are a burden on civilzation.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:24 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Regardless, most employers don’t pay for spouse benefits.
– - Pardon me?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:28 pmIf Steele is against that, he should be against opposite marriage putting a burden on businesses.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:29 pmIt’s ALIVE!!! Irony LIVES!@!!
Steele sez: “The liberals are jerking this country so far to the left we look like we’re too conservative.”
It’s to die for, que no?…Wadda hoot, when the truth is that the flying-monkey rightards, the fundies, and fascists, the chair-borne, and the cheetoh-philes have yanked the public discourse so far to the RIGHT that Obama can be called a “liberal,” while Clinton is fondly recalled as a “progressive.”
May 16th, 2009 at 2:30 pmEmployers offer benefits packages to qualified employees, right? So if they offer medical coverage they anticipate tacking on that employee’s spouse or other dependent(s), and the added cost of family coverage is either shared by the employer or is the full responsibility of the employee.
Shayne, you run a business. This has to be incredibly baffling to you. Republicans claim little finicky things like taxes will make or break a business. Right, and these people claim to be the party of everything business while businesses are buckling under the weight of extremely high health care costs.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:34 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Besides who was going to pay for all the unwanted babies born from your failed program with no health insurance. Conservatives? I don’t think so.
Spoken like a true drone who’s been mind f***ked into going along with the governments population control scheme’s. Even if it means killing babies that developed or BORN…
May 16th, 2009 at 2:34 pmSo Mikey, you basically just let the cat out of the bag that the GOP’s resistance to equitable marriage rights for same-sex couples is based on keeping this segment of the American population as second-class citizens for the benefit of corporate interests.
Confession may be good for the soul, but the lot of you should be deeply ashamed.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:38 pm“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,” Steele said. “So how do I pay for that? Who pays for that?”
Here’s an idea, Mr. Steele. If Republicans would get out of the way and allow all Americans access to Universal Health Care, just like every other industrialized country on Earth, the small business owner wouldn’t have to worry about health care costs for any employee.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:38 pm“Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:”
With a screen name like that, it’s quite incongruous for you to be taking a stand on pro-choice, pro life issues, don’t you think?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:42 pm(I guess I answered my own question…
Yes, you do not think.)
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
Oh, there’s not need for abortions with same sex couples is there, idiot.
You were not joking when you said this^ lol…
Another drone comment. Oh yes let’s turn everyone gay so we don’t have to deal with governing another human being that can be created lol.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pmmicahel steele is a burden on the GOP. way to go, mikey…more pandering to the freaky-assed “base” of your party means more and more moderates will continue to vote democrat. helluva strategy!
May 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pmMr. Reparations, you don’t know of any “government control” in detail, you’re just throwing out emotional buzzwords and feigning concern when your likely support of other republican policies are destructive to life in and out of the womb.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pmmr. reparation,
May 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pmdo you have the numbers of gay couples having abortions, partial or otherwise as a result of gay marriage? gay marriage, you know the topic of this thread?
Another ignorant comment, you can’t “turn everyone gay.” Idiot.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:45 pmI’m doing a disservice to this thread by responding to this nonsense. Report Abuse time.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:46 pmnoseeum Says:
With a screen name like that, it’s quite incongruous for you to be taking a stand on pro-choice, pro life issues, don’t you think?(I guess I answered my own question…Yes, you do not think.)
Now this is an idiotic and Racist statement. Please tell me why you said this so I can confirm lol.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:48 pminterestingly enough,
May 16th, 2009 at 2:48 pmthese assclowns have no problem with government involvement when it’s something they’re against…like gay marriage and abortion. otherwise, government is a bad, bad thing, right repukies?
Sounds like another reason for national health insurance to me.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:49 pmI see where six insurance companies, Prudential, for one, which offers healthcare may get up to 3.4 billion from TARP because it is a bankholding company.
Steele doesnt talk about that cost to the taxpayer
May 16th, 2009 at 2:49 pmWho pays for that? You just cost me money.
The about sums up the Republican thinking right there.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:49 pmi wonder how assinine michael steele sounds with his assertions. most gay men i know here in connecticut (married or otherwise) carry their own, independent health insurance through work.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:52 pm*sorry: if michael steele realizes how assinine he sounds
May 16th, 2009 at 2:53 pmI’ve worked for a lot of small businesses and they all paid half of their employees’ coverage and none of any of the coverage for spouses/dependents. I guess that’s the standard around here.
In this scenario how would adding another spouse onto the plan hurt the employer? Do the premiums of everyone in the group go up if one of the spouses is making a lot of claims due to a lot of health issues? And if so, would that increase the employer’s cost much?
May 16th, 2009 at 2:53 pmNeocons really don’t want to pay damages (i.e. reparations) for anything. They shit on anything that isn’t to their liking, cause maximum destruction, and aim for “tort reform” so they can get away with it. Worked for Exxon with their buddies on the supreme court.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:54 pmYeah, spouses are a burden on businesses — abolish marriage.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThe reason the small business health insurance is so high is because they have to support massive CEO salaries, to pay for their derivatives bets, to pay for their banking losses, because they are too big to fail, to payback TARP.
Its not because of a few gay employees.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pmSteele is chock full of stupid, useless comments. I want him to keep it up – it really exposes the GOP’s lack of intelligence and rational thought.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pmWhen I hear the GOP talk about being pro-life I see a dollar bill.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pmAnd when that person, that dollar bill, gets sick — its not a life its a toxic asset. Get rid of it. Let it die.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pmmary lacewing Says:
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The about sums up the Republican thinking right there.
Republicans have no problem spending trillions of dollars to torture people, to invade countries who never threatened America, and to drop bombs on millions of innocent men, women, and children.
But Republicans can’t understand why anyone would want to spend a single dollar to help the disadvantaged, the homeless, the poor, the sick, the hungry, or elderly people.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
Mr. Reparations, you don’t know of any “government control” in detail, you’re just throwing out emotional buzzwords and feigning concern when your likely support of other republican policies are destructive to life in and out of the womb.
Mr. “Mcwars.” I’m more like a Democrat, but if some crazed liberal tells me to jump off a roof…….
Just because I’m against Planned Parent Hood pushing generational genocide/population control in my community does not make me a republican.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pmof course by “small businesses” lil mikey really means wal-mart and exxon-mobil
May 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pmHere we go. A major (choke) Republican saying marriage is a business burden. Extra expense! Health care is a problem!
Mikey, man/woman marriage adds much more ‘burden’ since they are much more likely to add dependents. Last I checked gays had to adopt someone else’s ‘burden’.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
Mr. Reparations, you don’t know of any “government control” in detail, you’re just throwing out emotional buzzwords and feigning concern when your likely support of other republican policies are destructive to life in and out of the womb.
Mr. “Mcwars.” I’m more like a Democrat, but if some crazed liberal tells me to jump off a roof…….
Just because I’m against Planned Parent Hood pushing generational genocide/population control in my community does not make me a republican. Just because I’m for school vouchers does not make me a republican. And so on…
May 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pmThere is about as much chance of Jesus being a republican as their is Limbaugh sprouting wings and flying.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:04 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
“Just because I’m against Planned Parent Hood pushing generational genocide/population control in my community does not make me a republican.”
you’re right, it makes you a fool
May 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmWhat progressive policies do you support, Mr. Reparations?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmYanno… I live in an area heavily populated by gays (South Florida) and every time they move into a particular neighborhood, the houses get prettier, new business go up, etc.
One area in Fort Lauderdale known as Wilton Manors was once a shit hole. Then the gays arrived. The neighborhood is now BEAUTIFUL and there are dozens of little shops and restaurants, the homes have been remodeled, and it has become a great place to go antique shopping, browse little art galleries, and sit at a sidewalk café and enjoy the sites and people watch.
Needless to say, property values have increased and the influx of new businesses have created jobs, etc.
A former friend of mine who is anti-gay lives there and it just annoys him to no end that he now lives in what is popularly known as “Gay Town.” It must KILL him to drive down the main street and see all the rainbow flags flying. LOL! (There’s a reason he and I are no longer friends… I could no longer stand his bigotry.)
May 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmIf you follow Steele’s logic employees better not have any children either!
“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a dependant before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a dependant that I now have financial responsibility for,” Steele could have said.
“All those babies cost small businesses money!” he could have said if he followed his own ‘logic’.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pmSteele says “I can give people angina”
Angina? No. Nausea, for sure, but not angina.
Unless, of course, he is referring to Limpballs. But Steele doesn’t give Limpballs angina, either. He just gives him head.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pmi wonder if it hurts mikey steele’s ass to have tub-o-lard limpball’s hand up it everytime he speaks?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
Just because I’m against Planned Parent Hood pushing generational genocide/population control in my community does not make me a republican.
But it does make you wrong about Planned Parenthood. You do not know the first thing about what they do. Here’s a little bit of factual information for you to consider (and I apologize to all for the length, but some people need to learn a thing or two):
How you infer that they conduct “generational genocide” is beyond me.
You are entitled to your own opinions in a public discussion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
Planned Parenthood is not pushing generational genocide or population control on anyone. Abortion is a woman’s right to choose, just like taking birth control. You pro-lifers are so full of shyte!
May 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
This survey has a sampling error of +/- 3 points, which doesn’t let your 51% hold up very well. Questionable wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys introduce error or bias into the findings of all public opinion polls. And the survey fails to say how many people they spoke on land line or cell phone.
You’re a perfect stooge for the right wing — they will NEVER allow abortion to be abolished. If they did, they would never get you idiots into a voting booth.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pmThanks for the Planned Parenthood description, Wayne.
Unfortunately, all of that will be lost on Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW. I don’t think that little troll has any interest in facts. To him, facts are just pesky little things that get in the way of a good rant. He obviously spends too much time listening to Rush Limpballs and Little Seanie Vanity. He’s picked up their mannerisms.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:15 pmOh, just keep talking Steele, just keep talking.
Awesome. He’s killing the party really nicely, isn’t he?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pmWho pays for that? You just cost me money.
The about sums up the Republican thinking right there.
Well, no, because Republican thinking also mainly concerns “How can I make a buck off of this and sluice some proftis to my family and friends?”
May 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI just went through and flagged retards4republcantalkingpoints’ every post. Don’t engage it. It started out inflammatory and has no interest in real discourse. It is emblematic of the republican party Steele envisions: Don’t engage alternative ideas, just get in line and goosetep to the music.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pmBadmoodman Says:
Marie Says:
Do repugs have to pass a stupidity test?
- – Yes, and it’s pass/fail.
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Actually, wouldn’t that be fail/fail?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:24 pmTRoHS, But if you fail a stupidity test, doesn’t that mean you’re smart? A stupdity test tests how stupid you are, so I’m sure the trolls here would score in the top 3rd percentile on the Stupid Scale
May 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pmtigger Says:
Who pays for that? You just cost me money.
The about sums up the Republican thinking right there.
Well, no, because Republican thinking also mainly concerns “How can I make a buck off of this and sluice some proftis to my family and friends?”
So true, so true. I’d forgotten about that aspect of the issue for a moment. Is that the REAL reason why Republicans are against government-sponsored health ins;urance? Is the sun hot?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
I’m really beginning to think that Michael Steele is just a opportunistic politician with liberal leanings, who has infiltrated the republican party.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight… sounds WAYYYYY TOO MUCH like republicans who were trying to pass bush off a a “liberal” because he let GOOPer spending get so out of control, so he couldn’t possibly be a Real Republican™.
Sorry… no sale.
Mikey’s a Republican, period.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pmCan someone get Mr Steele to address a gay couple running their own small business?
Not sure if anyone notices that all republican conservative positions of opposition. As equal marraige, EFCA, Obama’s foriegn relations photo ops, Torture, abortion, etc are all frightening world ending armegedon employed positions? World ending catostophic oppositions.
I really don’t see any normal opposing level headed opposing views. They just can’t disagree without the world ending if you side against republican positions. What is with that. Its all the “be afraid” tactics. Better go buy more guns.
From past polling it is obvious this works on the GOP’s base. The same 20% to 25% that sticks by Bush no matter what. Like the 30% of the country republicans (the Cheney-ites) that still worship his every move. Jesus is wrong and Cheney is right mentality folks. But Clinton lied about sex and needs to be impeached.
Like I asked,
Can someone ask Steele how a a married gay couple that operate their own small business are hurting their own business?
May 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pmretard4republcantalkingpoints says:
Just because I’m against Planned Parent Hood pushing generational genocide/population control in my community does not make me a republican. Just because I’m for school vouchers does not make me a republican. And so on…
This one probably is a retardlican. It is against government help for others, yet expects government to give it money for something that happened to his ancient ancestors. typical retardlican.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pmLike Rush Limbaugh, this guy is an embarrassment for this nation. What a Himbo! Perhaps Steele and Miss California should start dating, or are they both too busy trying to impress the faux christians?!
And thank you Mr. W. Schneider for posting the info regarding Planned Parenthood.
You Rock
May 16th, 2009 at 3:32 pmBobwurst Says:
TRoHS, But if you fail a stupidity test, doesn’t that mean you’re smart? A stupdity test tests how stupid you are, so I’m sure the trolls here would score in the top 3rd percentile on the Stupid Scale…
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Wow… gettin’ a splitting headache… just looking at that…
Sooo… by PASSING the test, they confim their own… stupidity… but by FAILING…
Whoa… the room just got dark…
Heh… my bad… I closed my eyes for a few seconds…
Strange… when I opened them, it was as if I traveled forward in time for 5 or 6 seconds…
May 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pmSteele is right, because of the number of sexual deviants that want marital benefits, requests for health coverage will increase, which will make insurance much more expensive for employers. So now you have a biblical and economical reason as to why homosexuals do not have a right to marriage.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pmDarryl — FLAGGED
I’m so done with this child-like moron.
Apologies to children…
May 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
Bobwurst Says:
TRoHS, But if you fail a stupidity test, doesn’t that mean you’re smart? A stupdity test tests how stupid you are, so I’m sure the trolls here would score in the top 3rd percentile on the Stupid Scale..
Wow… gettin’ a splitting headache… just looking at that…
Sooo… by PASSING the test, they confim their own… stupidity… but by FAILING…
Whoa… the room just got dark…
Heh… my bad… I closed my eyes for a few seconds…
Strange… when I opened them, it was as if I traveled forward in time for 5 or 6 seconds...
It’s kind of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkdcT25ss
May 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pmThat poll concerning pro-life/pro-choice was taken from replugs and independents leaning replugs……
I’m pro-choice and pro-life. A woman should make her own decision not a controlling a$$wipe.
Anyways, Steele like the rest of the GOP leaders are completely insane.
Please be advised that gays are a part of our family in America.
Also be advised, not only the GOP carry guns, us liberuls also carry guns, I bet the right wingnuts are unaware of that fact.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pmooktothehills Says:
Steele is right, because of the number of sexual deviants that want marital benefits, requests for health coverage will increase,
Ahh, here’s the problem. The only gays that are republican ARE deviants, of course all the straight republicans are deviants as well, but that’s a discussion for another thread…Anyway, since the only gay people republicans know are gay republicans, like larry craig, who are self-loathing, closeted, perverts who desperately try to control the uncontrollable urges they have and inevitably get busted doing things in public restrooms that a normal person, gay or straight, would find demeaning, OF COURSE repubs will think that gay is bad. What they don’t realize is that it’s not the gay, it’s the republican, that’ the problem.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pmlooktothehills Says:
So now you have a biblical and economical reason as to why homosexuals do not have a right to marriage.
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Sorry, but the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment trumps that nonsense….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
The Equal Protection Clause, part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that “no state shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”.[1]
The Equal Protection Clause can be seen as an attempt to secure the promise of the United States’ professed commitment to the proposition that “all men are created equal”[2] by empowering the judiciary to enforce that principle against the states.
If you really WANT to live in a theocracy, I suggest moving to the ME… you’ll have plenty of choices.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmSteele said. “It’s a metaphor for taking this party to places and to people that we’ve either forgotten about, ignored or feel don’t want to engage with us.”
I think that about says it all! Who in hell would want to engage with these SELF-RIGHTEOUS, ALL-KNOWING, NEVER-WRONG BIGOTS, RACISTS AND RELIGIOUS LUNATICS. Steele has it backward; its about 77% of our population that has tried desperately to either FORGET, IGNORE OR FEEL WE DON’T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE GOP!
May 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmExcellent work Brother, dem whitey’s be freaking.
Meet you on the down low later.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmBobwurst Says:
It’s kind of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkdcT25ss
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HAH!!!!
That’s EXACTLY what came to mind at the time. I kid you not…
May 16th, 2009 at 3:49 pmWe have to pay a flat rate per mechanic whether they have dependents or not but we belong to a union. Most people I know who work for small businesses, if they’re covered they have to pay something for dependents.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
looktothehills,
May 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pmhey stupid,
a)the government of this nation is secular
b) michael steele doesn’t know sheeyat about economics
c) you’re still a piece of crap
Can this guy just keep his mouth shut for five minutes? He a walking, talking embarrassment. LOL! Good job Repugs for picking Steele to represent you.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pmmooktothehills Says:
Steele is right, because of the number of sexual deviants that want marital benefits, requests for health coverage will increase, which will make insurance much more expensive for employers. So now you have a biblical and economical reason as to why homosexuals do not have a right to marriage.
Oh, goodie, here we go with Leviticus again. How’s that ham sandwich? I certainly hope you’ve got a waist-length beard and hair and that you eschew shrimp and soft-shelled crab — otherwise you would be what we call a HYPOCRITE.
May 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pmOS Says:
SDS, much?
KKK much?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pmIt’s insanity. You don’t have to pay any taxes unless you make a profit and between healthcare, liability and workman’s comp who can make a profit? And to qualify for any group you have to offer coverage to all employees. So you can’t afford to hire more people even when you’re busy because then when it’s slow you’ll be out of business because of the insurance.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pmRToHS Says:HAH!!!!
That’s EXACTLY what came to mind at the time. I kid you not…
May 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pmYeah, and don’t those upperclass twits embody the republican party to a T?
76 Looktothehills says:
You are wrong in so many ways, it exemplifies how wrong the Republican Party is.
Employers play a flat fee, based on how many employees they have. Some plans cover spouses and some do not. The employer won’t pay more, but the insurance company may have to. But the insurance companies understand that they have to cover spouses, that’s what they agreed to when they contract with a business to provide health care coverage.
You are wrong about the economic cost, and you are wrong to think that the bible wants you to treat homosexuals like lesser humans. You are as wrong as every other wingnut. Looktothehills, you are wrong because you are ignorant and there is no excuse for your behavior. May god forgive you for your hatred.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pmHey you Bible Thumpers, read it and weap:
May 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm“Jesus Was a Liberal, Reclaiming Christianity for All” by
Rev. Scotty McLennan.
The Rev. Scotty McLennan is the dean for religious life at Stanford University. He was the university Chaplain at Tufts University from 1984 to 2000, and senior lecturer at the Harvard Business School for ten of those years. McLennan received his B.A. from Yale University… More
looktothehills Says:
Steele is right, because of the number of sexual deviants that want marital benefits, requests for health coverage will increase, which will make insurance much more expensive for employers. So now you have a biblical and economical reason as to why homosexuals do not have a right to marriage.
Please explain how a single heterosexual person getting married costs less to an employer than a single homosexual person getting married. Your biblical argument carries no weight at all, you do understand that, don’t you?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pmShayne,
Darryl doesn’t need no stinkin’ educated reverend — he’s got Pastor Gino. :P
May 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pmEven for those of us who are aetheists, you have to know that Jesus Christ was a better person than the religious right portrays him to be. I can’t believe he set out to do the evil these people have done in his name.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pmOS Says:
SDS, much?
Do you suppose this dumbass meant STDs? As opposed to the Students for a Democratic Society?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pmlooktothehils,
Levi is right. You are not motivated by your Faith. You are motivated by your Hate. And would you like to hear what the Bible says about people like you?
“Jesus wept.”
May 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pmProud Says:
I am with Obama on this, Marriage is between a man and woman.
Besides being a cop-out, this does not explain why you are right and we are wrong.
BTW, many of us feel that President Obama is wrong, too. You just don’t get that, do you?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pmlooktothehills Says:
Steele is right, because of the number of sexual deviants that want marital benefits, requests for health coverage will increase, which will make insurance much more expensive for employers. So now you have a biblical and economical reason as to why homosexuals do not have a right to marriage.
It’s funny how you guys use that argument because you guys are supposedly using the promiscuous unprotected sex argument also, not out of concern for TEH GAY community, but rather to gay-bash. So, according to your logic, marriage would be ideal in that TEH GAYS would commit to one partner, instead of screwing like rabbits as the smear goes…but you would deny marriage benefits just because they ARE TEH GAY…
May 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pmProud Says:
I am with Obama on this, Marriage is between a man and woman.
tHE TROLL says this as if we are blind cool-aid drinkers to the cult of Obama…
May 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pmProud Says:
I am with Obama on this,
At the moment you hit the submit comment button, Obama threw up in his mouth but couldn’t figure out why…
May 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pmProud Says:
I am with Obama on this, Marriage is between a man and woman.
That would be news to a great many human beings, now and in the past. Still, it’s no surprise that you have such a narrow minded opinion.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:26 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
OS Says:
SDS, much?
Do you suppose this dumbass meant STDs? As opposed to the Students for a Democratic Society?<
You’ll have better luck trying to figure out what your dog is saying when it barks.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pmProud Says:
Lighten up Wayne, I get it. Thank goodness Obama is much more of a centrist than most of the radical looney left anticipated.
You should pass that message along to the radical looney Right; they seem to believe their own hype that he’s a commie.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pmBy that logic heterosexuals marriage is destroying small business
May 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pmProud Says:
Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
Besides being a cop-out, this does not explain why you are right and we are wrong.
Lighten up Wayne, I get it. Thank goodness Obama is much more of a centrist than most of the radical looney left anticipated.
Yeah, you get it alright, in the butt, in the bathroom down at the playground after dark…
May 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pmBobwurst Says:
You’ll have better luck trying to figure out what your dog is saying when it barks.
My dog is actually very clear about barking. Mostly it’s “My teeth are bigger than yours!” or “Get the fk off my porch, mailman!”
This particular troll is much more difficult to follow. It seems primarily to be saying “Look at me! Look at me!”
May 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pmas a proud lesbo, this guy does not know what hes talking about
May 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Bobwurst Says:
You’ll have better luck trying to figure out what your dog is saying when it barks.
My dog is actually very clear about barking. Mostly it’s “My teeth are bigger than yours!” or “Get the fk off my porch, mailman!”
This particular troll is much more difficult to follow. It seems primarily to be saying “Look at me! Look at me!”
Ahh, so he’s one of those useless little dogs that old ladies and men of “questionable” gender affiliation are drawn to. That makes sense.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pmzooeey@112,
May 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pmwe’re all glad you’re proud to be a lesbo but you’re still a namejacking piece of crap
Don’t forget greed Wayne. It is the greed that makes them hate. And the selfishness.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pmThe rightwing faux Christians think you can take it with you and buy your way into heaven. I’m not a believer but I’d still be afraid to slap God in the face the way they do, just in case.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:34 pmThanks Bozo, to be honest, zooey’s sexual identification is, like everyone else’s here, of such little importance that I said, “huh, that interesting and moved on. But when I went back and looked the trolljacker mispelled her name. figures.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pmThat’s right, and divorce is the the only thing that can save it.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe bible said Eve was a help meet, not a wife and I dont recall any wedding vows issued by GOD making them ‘married’
May 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pmEven as a lesbian you couldn’t get lucky. Stupid is very unattractive to women.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThe more innocent babies we can kill the better the world will be. Less carbon footprints
May 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pmThat’s true but if he doesn’t handle the Republofacists in a suitable manner we’ll replace him with an extreme liberal.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pmThe more trolls whose IP addresses can be blocked, the better the world will be. Less stupid troll-droppings.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pmToo bad you mother didn’t just have an abortion instead of trying to kill you off feeding you lead paint chips.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pm“Stupid is very unattractive to women.”
Ya got that right, Shayne! That’s why I married Wayne (well, one of the many reasons…)
May 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pmzooeey,
May 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pmpick a lane, retard. either you’re “a proud lesbo” or, you’re out having abortions. which is it since i don’t know too many lesbians who have had abortions.
Okay, fake Zooeey, how many innocent children have been bombed into carbonless heaven during since the Iraq/Afghan wars began?
Wasnt it a goal of the Bush admin to free, not kill, the Iraqis?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pmAnd if the fake conservative politicians cared so much about life how come they dont care about it after its born?
May 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pmAnd as for me Steele, America is not being yanked to the right by liberals they RAN, full speed, away from the extreme right and its failed policies and noble lies.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pmSchool is not in—it’s Saturday.
The name-jacking, robo-tripping troll is a fat teenager with acne who is neglected, socially inept, and essentially friendless. It might have one equally outcast “friend” it farts and giggles with, but its idea of “party time” is drinking cough syrup.
It mimics the uneducated, bigoted adults around it, and doesn’t have opinions of its own. For some reason, it thinks it has scored big time by butting in on the adults at TP.
It apparently has a whopping crush on a doctor.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pmLets face it, the world is over populated. Al Gore taught me that.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pmWho are you to challenge Al Gore? too many people. for awhile thought the solution was to exterminate the ones less innocent than babies. ie the mothers and fathers who cant figure out birth control.
But its a lot easier to kill babies who cant defend themselves. If PETA gets upset about puppies, why do they hate babies so much?
Your sorry you weren’t aborted, and you’re too chickens*it to work it out with your parents.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pmflag the fake zooeey make it go away.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI am the real zooeey! Minw name is spelled differently. DIfferent point of views. Both lesbians.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pmWhats the big deal?
It’s brotha, aka God, aka allseeing eye. It’s not an adult. It appears to be the child of redneck parents. It’s certainly not out hanging with other teenagers on this Saturday afternoon.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pmAu contraire.
Obama feels that marriage is a civil union and as such, partners are entitled to all benefits and equal rights and recognition as a heterosexual couple.
It is the religions who have made marriage the problem. There should be no reason why people cannot be married in a civil court ceremony despite any church rule that prohibits the rite.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:59 pmPeople in love who pledge their vows legally are no different no matter what their genders.
It is of course, divorce that is the issue. Why don’t divorces take place in church? Could it be because it is the civil union that is dissolved?
wait, I am FOR killing all babies, you should agree with me not attack me
May 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pmonly someone who is either in the 8th grade or emotionally disturbed is obsessed with other people’s sexual orientation.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pmunder which category do you fall under zooeey?
zooeey Says:
“The real Zooey scares me, pay attention to ME!”
Isn’t there some hate march that you could be attending?
May 16th, 2009 at 5:01 pmZooey isnt gay William or should I say Dr. Reddy?
May 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pmActually Zooeey has a point. The earth is overpopulated, and is heating up because of it. Unfortunately for Zooeey, that is the only thing he/she is right about.
If overpopulation is something that Zoeey feels strongly about, I recommend he or she gets sterilized.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThe govt should have no say about marriage Only legal contracts sanctioned by the state.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pmMarriage should be done in churches period. Separation of church and state
Thats fine and your opinion but marriage licenses are issued by the state government
May 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pmZooeey Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pmZooeey, we are attacking you because we do not agree with you. We are attacking you because you are a troll.
It’s socially isolated. I mean, who spends all their free time somewhere they are not welcome? All it does is mimic and ridicule. It has no real opinions of its own, because it has no experience of its own beyond public schools and home. No one who ever had to support themselves would think sweatshops are some kind of ideal. Disrupting our board is the extent to which it has experienced “power” in a social setting.
Who brags about robo-tripping? This has got to be the epitome of LOSER.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:09 pm“The govt should have no say about marriage Only legal contracts sanctioned by the state.
Marriage should be done in churches period. Separation of church and state”
call it the service of the itchy gitchy ya-ya ma-ma for all i care as long as i get to file joint tax returns and receive equal benefits/protection as married couples
May 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pmPlease do not use the names it hijacks. It is an adolescent troll that craves attention, and has not learned how to earn it. It is immature even for a teenager, practicing disruptive behavior that would be unacceptable in a six year old. It’s no wonder that its not hanging out with its peers.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:13 pmThey should do away with marriage because heterosexuals give birth to gays
/sanrk
May 16th, 2009 at 5:13 pmIf a church wants to grant gay marriages, that’s their church. Keep the govt. out of it.
Civil unions devoid of thousand of years of religious teachings. the govt should not recognie any marriage, gay straight or otherwise.
If am man and a man enter into govt legal contract or a woman anda woman does or a man or a woman does.
They should be treated the same based on the legal contract
religion and churches should be completely out of the picture. they can have their married ceremonies in church but not be part of the govt unions. it should be a legal document between two people regardless of makeup. Gay, straight who cares is they are consenting adults
May 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pm134. zooeey Says: Whats the big deal?
The big deal is, you lost.
The big deal is that the majority of Americans rejected the insanity of the torturing, lying, chickenhawk republican party.
The big deal is the republicans are having a nationwide pouting festival whose main objective is to make it crystal clear that if they can’t run America, they’ll see to it that no one can; taking America down with them if posssible.
The big deal is, you lost and are reduced to adolescent drive-by posts under a pseudonym that offers no facts, no innovative thought, no conceptual notion, no informed opinion, no substantive debate.
Just puerile outbursts.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSteele is a burden on the GOP. One wonders how much longer he will be allowed to chair the RNC.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pmI agree with that. Its the county clerk that issues a marriage license and as well a justice of the peace can marry people. No church or religious membership is required.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pmMarriage has no correlation to religion although ministers can perform a wedding ceremony.
Marriage is an agreement between two people and not to the church or to its religion
May 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pmThe first step to getting married is to get a marriage license..
May 16th, 2009 at 5:23 pmIf two consenting adults enter into a legal contract> then it should be unifrom regardless of their sexual orientation. Gay or straight.
SAME RULES, SAME EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW!
Thhere should be zero difference between consenting adults and a government bound legal contract.
Leave mariage to the few who still go to chuch. Marriage is not the answer, civil unions for EVERYONE regardless of sexual orientation is the answer. Same rules, same benefits, same protections.
If someone also wants to be married in their church then that is a separation of church and statement and is fundamental.
Treat everyone the same and forget about marriage
May 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pmThe trolls parents had an ugly divorce.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pmzooeey Says: “Treat everyone the same and forget about marriage”
Do people treat you differently for some reason?
May 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pmLike, you’re astute enough to have figured out by now that no one will ever marry you, regardless of gender? Or species for that matter?
How can you say “legal contracts sanctioned by the state”, but “Keep the govt. out of it”? That makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. Who enforces legal contracts? The government!
May 16th, 2009 at 5:32 pmwiley Says:
The trolls parents had an ugly divorce.
In most cases, the child is never at fault, but in this case, junior probably did break up his parent’s marriage.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pmcivil unions based on fairness is the key to the answer and applied uniformly to EVERYONE!
Do away with marriage except for those who go to church. Insteadd of getting a marriage license, we change it to civil union contract.
Problem is then solved. If religious people go through a nother ceremony in their church and call themselves married but with no extra special rights. Just part of their freedom of religion. That should be outside of the government period. Separation of Church and State.
There is no workaround this. Either its fair and uniform with civil unions and also allow freedom of religion as they see it.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pmBesides churches will be issuing gay marriages anyhow soon. Its all bout cash for them anyways
God is with you Mr. Steele and it is appropriate that you follow your conscience as do all Christians. Sure we have the flaky left criticizing you for every issue you speak to. They are a herd of sheep following the likes of Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Barney the Gay Big yellow Bird Frank. The guy that can not keep a joint out of his mouth. He is the original deep throat.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pmWhy should the taxpayers give allowances to Gay’s which provide nothing back to society in the way of a family. They are homosexuals which dictate anal, oral and masturbation as the real backbone of their life style.
Suckers for dirty tricks come to men bathroom for homo-pleasure. House of Representatives and Senators meet in the bathroom on Capital Hill between votes. Get a one on one with Barney the big yellow bird Fransk. Monika please allow Bill Clinton to attend since he is into felacio.
No the taxpayer should not be burden with a chosen life style of Gay Partners for sex which is an abomination before God.
I think we are talking semantics here. There is technically no difference between a marriage and a union. What the republicans are not wanting to change is the law in respect to a marriage license because it says man and woman.
Its a roundabout way of hiding their bias against gay people.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pmBut really, why shouldnt gay people share in divorces and legal costs like straight couples do? The lawyers could make millions!
/snark
May 16th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThe troll doesn’t have a single clue. It doesn’t even date, much less engage in adult relationships. It’s a teenager or an adult with Asberger syndrome. It cannot form relationships with adults. It cannot form a coherent paragraph. It needs professional help.
Please flag it. It has taken up entirely too much space with its inane ramblings. It can’t even “rebel” effectively. If it were in the room with us, it would be mute and trying to blend in with the woodwork. It needs to wash its greasy hair and get some Clearasil.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:37 pmI know this is difficult for some to get their haid around but gay people are born thru heterosexual means and have families.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:39 pmstormn00007 Says: etc…
Wow, you sure seem to have a lot of knowledge regarding this subject..
May 16th, 2009 at 5:40 pmIs God with you there now in the bathroom?
“No the taxpayer should not be burden with a chosen life style of Gay Partners for sex which is an abomination before God.”
Stormn, what’s the difference between the taxpayer paying for the spouse’s healthcare in a heterosexual marriage, and the taxpayer paying for the spouse’s healthcare in a same-sex marriage? Is the ‘burden’ any different? Or is it simply that you are an obvious homophobe? Some christian you are!
May 16th, 2009 at 5:41 pmnoseeum Says:
stormn00007 Says: etc…
Wow, you sure seem to have a lot of knowledge regarding this subject..
Is God with you there now in the bathroom?
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. This cat has spent and aaaaaaaaaaaaaalot of time fantasying about the gay lifestyle. Ya think he may be one of larry craigs “constituents”?
May 16th, 2009 at 5:42 pmstormy puts the HOMO in homophobe…
May 16th, 2009 at 5:44 pmStormn,
You are a hater. You hate anyone that does not agree with your dogma. You posted your hate for homosexuals, pot smokers, and anal, oral and mastabatory sex. All you are doing is telling everyone what we already know, that Republicans are the party of hate and fear.
God doesn’t hate homosexuals. God doesn’t hate pot smokers. God does not hate people that have anal sex. God does not hate people that have oral sex. God does not hate people that masturbate.
God hates people that pretend to be Christians while standing in judgement over their fellow men. When you die Stormn, you explain it to Jesus why you have lived your life hating so many different people for being different from you. I hope he will forgive you, but I will not.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:47 pmthe whole point is semantics. Do away with marriage as government instituion.
Its based on religions.
A new contract for gay, straight, transgender people who of consenting adults.
It solves all the problems.
People who still believe marriage can still do it SEPARATELY through their church. Having the govt mandate gay marriage when marriage is part of silly religions conflicts with freedom of religion.
No marriage, just a govt contract applied equally to and couple, gay or straight..
Marriage is just a red herring. Eliminate marriage altogether and the problem is solved. Every person gay or straight has the same protection. if people choose to be married. They co that outside of the govt!
May 16th, 2009 at 5:48 pmAhd I better you dollars to donuts, many churhes will offer gay marriage.
So no govt intrustion more gay marriage. Problem solved
Look—it copied and pasted a rather poor post. This troll is pathetic, even by troll standards.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:57 pmOk, I give. How is a gay couple more of a burden on small businesses than heterosexual couples?
Steele – the gift that keeps on giving.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:57 pmSteele is more concerned about business than the salus populi
And that is part of the problem today with bailouts and subsidies. The government is for by and of the people.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pmHe is arguing for single-payer. You can’t say gay married couples are a burden, without implying that married couples are a burden already, and gays are an additional burden.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:01 pmThe thing is they are not trying to create a new law to that end, they are trying to NOT change the requirements for marriage licenses
May 16th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI see that our moronic, and cowardly, trolls have resumed their practice of saving their most vile crap for the weekends, when moderators are scarce. It must suck to go through life as a POS, despised by all.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:03 pmSteele wants pro-business laws while making use of peoples bias…
A gay couple is a lot less likely to have children than a straight couple thus higher insurance costs.
What a disingenuous political hat trick
May 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pmPete, school is out. It’s that simple. It’s a troubled teenager with no friends. It wants to pretend it’s an adult, but doesn’t even know how to be a teenager. Maybe tonight it will drink a lot of cough syrup and free dissociate on-line. Maybe it will be a heart surgeon again—saving lives on-line before it warps into the God of random bits of religions pasted together from wikipedia.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:20 pmSteele has tried to articulate an argument that has no sound footing. The fact that an employer has to pick up the spouse of an employee is a fact of life. I can’t understand why any employer would even be interested in the sexual orientation.
I work and live in a community of openly gay people and find no problems.
The gay community has proven that they are a positive influence in their communities. They are more disposed to take risks at business and in areas of cities the straight community has written off years ago. They have a proven track record. The argument of a financial burden doesn’t hold water.
The churches are not being forced to accept gay marriages. The Evangelical community has extended their reach a little too far. They have perverted the concept of spreading the Gospel by not living the gospel! I am comfortable in extending marriage contracts to gay couples. If you can find two people who can live with a commitment, it can only have a positive influence on the community.
I suspect the RNC keeps Michael Steele steel around to make G W Bush appear brilliant.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:30 pmSteele also reflects their opinion of black people. I am sure there are plenty of brilliant black people who could fill the roll of RNC leader, why do they keep Steele?
Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says what?
Everybody is pro-life you idiot.
repugs are anti-choice unless you’re a teabagger repug.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pmstormn00007 Says:
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God is with you Mr. Steele and it is appropriate that you follow your conscience as do all Christians. Sure we have the flaky left criticizing you for every issue you speak to. They are a herd of sheep following the likes of Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Barney the Gay Big yellow Bird Frank. The guy that can not keep a joint out of his mouth. He is the original deep throat.
Why should the taxpayers give allowances to Gay’s which provide nothing back to society in the way of a family. They are homosexuals which dictate anal, oral and masturbation as the real backbone of their life style.
Suckers for dirty tricks come to men bathroom for homo-pleasure. House of Representatives and Senators meet in the bathroom on Capital Hill between votes. Get a one on one with Barney the big yellow bird Fransk. Monika please allow Bill Clinton to attend since he is into felacio.
No the taxpayer should not be burden with a chosen life style of Gay Partners for sex which is an abomination before God.
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stormn00007,
May 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pmYou are like the emperor with no cloths. The very ideas you have put into words is a reflection of your inter core.” Psychology 101 if you will”. And in your core I find a disgusting individual who gets his view of people from porn sights. You are not alone, because I find most conservatives appear to have the same preoccupation with deviant sexual behavior. Regardless of the sexual orientation, people who exhibit a view such as yours are lacking in maturity, sexual and otherwise. The gay people that I know would be shocked and offended by your diatribe. Ask yourself “what is my problem”?
and sliding lower and lower…
May 16th, 2009 at 7:08 pmJebus. The Repukes will NEVER run out of stupid! Mikey’ll just make more!
YAY!!
May 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pmThe trolls parents had an ugly child.
May 16th, 2009 at 7:14 pmIt’s parents only acknowledge it when it appeases their insecurities with one of its endless variations on “you eggheads ain’t so smart(snort)”.
May 16th, 2009 at 7:23 pmIt’s obvious why this lonely teen isn’t hanging out with its peers, but why is it so strangely dedicated to TP? I’m guessing it is the spawn of one of our regular trolls.
May 16th, 2009 at 7:43 pmJust think…..if we reenact slavery, the GOP can save all that money from Michael Steele’s salary. Let’s put slavery reenactment up for a popular vote!
May 16th, 2009 at 8:24 pmwiley Says:
It’s obvious why this lonely teen isn’t hanging out with its peers, but why is it so strangely dedicated to TP? I’m guessing it is the spawn of one of our regular trolls.
YOu are assuming that our regular trolls can spawn…
May 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pmSad fact, Bobwurst—they can and they do. I have to wonder if they are so keen to protect marriage as some sacred institution because otherwise it would only be what it was to them—a shotgun wedding with someone desperate enough to bed them.
May 16th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThe troll doesn’t have a single clue. It doesn’t even date, much less engage in adult relationships. It’s a teenager or an adult with Asberger syndrome. It cannot form relationships with adults. It cannot form a coherent paragraph. It needs professional help.
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As a psychologist I think you might be right on in this diagnosis lol. People who suffer Asperger’s Syndrome have no concept of what is appropriate in social situations. They are unable to understand proper social interaction. I think that sums up our lot of bigoted trolls nicely :)
May 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pmHey stormn00007, why don’t you visit the freeper website. Thats where products of incest (like yourself) congregate and share their bigoted values!
May 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pmI would put this morphing, name-jacking, robo-tripping troll at no more than 15 years of age.
May 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmEither that wiley or some very pathetic older person who feels inadequate because they live in mommy’s basement.
May 16th, 2009 at 9:25 pmI don’t think stormn00007 is so unique, more the typical. He is justa little more graphic!
May 16th, 2009 at 9:41 pmIt’s sad that there should be any question. So many wing-nuts are childish, intellectually stunted, and seemingly informed only by television—-it’s often a close call.
This one, however, is more than just immature, ignorant, socially maladroit, and abrasive—it’s a kid pushing buttons. For some odd reason, it chooses to push buttons at TP. I think it thought it could really convince people here that it was a doctor—a heart surgeon even—and win accolades. That didn’t work, so it tried to impress us with it’s stories about tripping on cough syrup. That had “mom won’t let me out of the house” written all over it.
May 17th, 2009 at 12:38 amHehe you might well be right. Either way it’s someone who clearly is rejected off the computer and feels the need to stir up trouble elsewhere in order to make themselves feel important. Politics is a hot button thing for almost anyone so causing trouble would be easy.
Oh dear we’re psychoanalyzing them now :)
May 17th, 2009 at 12:51 am______
Xisithrus Says:
What the republicans are not wanting to change is the law in respect to a marriage license because it says man and woman.
Its a roundabout way of hiding their bias against gay people.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
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Does that also apply to the Dems who oppose gay marriage?
May 17th, 2009 at 12:55 amWow. I was gonna comment on Steele’s obvious inconsistency with his platform, but really. So instead I’ll just point out that just because people hold a different view from yours, that does not make them trolls. While there are certainly trolls here, they’re obviously not limited to the Conservative side, and I’ve actually read several conservative comments that while I strongly disagree with, are not in any way trolling.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:51 amWhat says he about all the gay people that own small businesses?
May 17th, 2009 at 5:58 amWhat a ridiculous, yet calculated, attack.
bluesunflower, I agree with you that some conservative commenters who post here are unfairly labeled “trolls”. Not many, but a few. I often speak out about the dilution of the term when it’s applied indiscriminately. Lately, the poster who immediately preceded your comment is one of the very very few who can qualify as a non-troll conservative.
But most, sadly, really are trolls. Even backup, who tries his damnedest to appear rational, is a troll. His is a more sophisticated game than, say, Proud’s or Tim Vacuous or stormy’s. But at the end of the day he’s still trolling.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:35 amI have several gay friends who consider are registered Republicans because they agree with GOP “principles” on economic policy. Steele’s comment should be confirmation that the GOP considers homosexuals to be 2nd class citizens. Yes, the party which values work and the receipt of economic fruits based on individual performance believes that the “fruit” of employer-provided health insurance to gay individuals and their dependents is a burden regardless of whether or not homosexuals are entitled to such coverage by virtue of their performance and contribution to the success of their employer’s business. Frankly, I’m glad Steele made the comment as it sheds light on the true bigotry lurking in the GOP. The same arguments were made when women entered the workplace and continue to be made when it comes to discussing wage equality.
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I’ve thought about this on this fine morning whilst reading Steele’s words, and I think that I will start to agree with them on this, but I go even farther and get off at the depot. Since, as the republics say, we are ALL paying for married couples in a variety of ways, I have a small and reasonable proposal:
Those people who want to be married must all put the marriage up for a vote. Let “the people” decide if you should be wed, since “the people” will pay for so much for the wed couple.
And, tangent to that, if you want a divorce, you must also put that up for a vote to the public, as your divorce may not benefit society financially.
I am SOOOO late to this thread… I am sure I will repeat this idea somewhere, sometime soon. I kind of like it, though it seems to be a bit of a “diamond in the rough” right now.
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republicans hate facts Says:
upright left Says:
Does that also apply to the Dems who oppose gay marriage?
If anyone is “Dim” it’s you, Dum Bass. It’s the *REPUKES* that don’t believe in “EQUAL” rights for gay people. Even (D) politicians that resist gay rights on the “Religious” aspect almost universally call for “EQUAL” rights for Gay couples. What most people forget is that there are *NO* religious marriages currently. If your “Church” marries you and you don’t have a marriage license, you aren’t married. If the “State” marries you and you do have a marriage license but don’t have a religious person marry you, you’re still married. Therefore the Church “Ceremonies” are MEANINGLESS in terms of “Marriage”. They’re just QUAINT little SUPERSTITION that those of “WEAK” minds like *YOU* believe are the REAL THING despite the “REALITY” proving otherwise… ;)
May 17th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
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RHF, (MizzJ, rhf has always been a nutcase. He’s just always been on our side, so he was tolerable. Now he’s a Clinton ass sucker, and he can’t contain himself against the “hopium” smokers. What an idiot.) How’s it going, bud? You failed to mention those who have marriage licenses and are married in churches by clergymen. They are married. See, bud, you don’t have to be married by the state in order to be married. Unless, of course, you consider clergymen to be agents of the state since they are authorized to perform marriages. That probably kind of annoys you. ;)
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May 20th, 2009 at 3:28 am