Liz Cheney Claims Her Father Would Never ‘Substitute His Own Judgment’ For The CIA’s
Liz Cheney Claims Her Father Would Never ‘Substitute His Own Judgment’ For The CIA’s
Last month, after President Obama released Bush-era legal memos authorizing torture, McClatchy’s Jonathan Landay reported that former Vice President Dick Cheney “applied relentless pressure on interrogators to use harsh methods on detainees in part to find evidence of cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s regime.” Earlier this week, former NBC News investigative producer Robert Windrem reported for The Daily Beast that in 2003, “Cheney’s office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection.”
On ABC’s This Week today, Cheney’s daughter, Liz Cheney, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, responded to the allegations by pointing to a report yesterday in which intelligence officials “denied that the questioning on Iraq had included waterboarding.” Asked, however, if she denied that Cheney’s office asked “to have information about Iraq-al Qaeda connections presented” to the Iraqi detainee, Cheney did not outright deny it:
STEPHANOPOLOUS: You’ve explained one part of it, I just want to ask you to explain another part of it. The report though that the vice president’s office did ask specifically to have information about Iraq-al Qaeda connections presented to this detainee, do you deny that?
CHENEY: I think that it’s important for us to have all the facts out. And and, the first and most important fact is that the vice president has been absolutely clear that he supported this program, this was an important program, it saved American lives. Now, the way this policy worked internally was once the policy was determined and decided, the CIA, you know, made the judgments about how each individual detainee would be treated. And the Vice President would not substitute his own judgment for the professional judgment of the CIA.
Watch it:
Cheney’s claim that her father would never “substitute is own judgment for the professional judgment of the CIA” is striking, especially in the context of establishing a link between al Qaeda and Iraq. The truth is that when the CIA didn’t give Cheney the info he wanted about an Iraq-al Qaeda connection, he marginalized the agency:
In the initial stages of the war on terror, Tenet’s CIA was rising to prominence as the lead agency in the Afghanistan war. But when Tenet insisted in his personal meetings with the president that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, Cheney and Rumsfeld initiated a secret program to re-examine the evidence and marginalize the agency and Tenet. Through interviews with DoD staffers who sifted through mountains of raw intelligence, FRONTLINE details how questionable intelligence was “stovepiped” to the vice president and presented to the public.
New Yorker reporter Jane Mayer, who wrote a book about “the dark side” of the war on terror, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow this week about how after 9/11 Cheney “was dissatisfied with the kind of information that had been given to them from the CIA,” so he requested raw intelligence reports and “took away the filter that the CIA had had.”
Transcript:
VANDEN HEUVAL: But you said, George, that the next big controversy is Guantanamo. The next big controversy is the mounting evidence showing that torture was used to extract evidence to create a link, a false link, between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.CHENEY: Let me respond to that.
VANDEN HEUVAL: That is a crucial area of investigation.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: Let me give a little context here and then I’ll let Liz respond.
CHENEY: Two points though.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: Let me just explain to the viewers what Katrina’s, a little more context on what she’s talking about. There were some reports this week that the Vice President’s office, actually back in 2003, in April of 2003, I believe, sent some sort of word to Iraq that a detainee in custody should be waterboarded in order to get information to establish whether there was a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. Or more information on weapons of mass destruction. Your response.
CHENEY: Well, two things. It’s easy to sit here inside the Beltway and say, “gosh, no problem to put terrorists in Colorado.” And I think, frankly, the people in Colorado would have something to say to that, to object. On this particular allegation, you know, nobody who’s talking about this in the press has any knowledge of specific detainee treatment. And you saw the CIA yesterday come out and say, absolutely unequivocally, waterboarding was not used to establish this kind of a link.
VANDEN HEUVAL: I have not seen it, yeah.
CHENEY: Now, well you should read the Post yesterday. But let me, no, but George, you asked me to explain this.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: There was a Walter Pincus, but I want to press, I want to press one thing. Because there was a report. You’ve explained one part of it, I just want to ask you to explain another part of it. The report though that the vice president’s office did ask specifically to have information about Iraq-al Qaeda connections presented to this detainee, do you deny that?
CHENEY: I think that it’s important for us to have all the facts out. And and, the first and most important fact is that the vice president has been absolutely clear that he supported this program, this was an important program, it saved American lives. Now, the way this policy worked internally was once the policy was determined and decided, the CIA, you know, made the judgments about how each individual detainee would be treated. And the Vice President would not substitute his own judgment for the professional judgment of the CIA.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: Not no one in his office either?
CHENEY: So, I think it’s very important for us to look at exactly what the facts are. And the facts are that three people were waterboarded. The people that are claims to be waterboarded in these articles, are not any of those people. And I think, frankly, you’ve also got to look at the source for some of these allegations. And one of the big sources is, you know, Colonel Wilkerson. Now, Colonel Wilkerson gets coverage because of his associations with General Powell.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: Former chief of staff.
CHENEY: And has made a cottage industry out of, you know, fantasies about the vice president since he left office.
STEPHANOPOLOUS: Well, he’s not the only one reporting it. But it’s good to get your answer.
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– - Now there’s an objective opinion from an unbiased source. Cripes, why does the media even bother with this charade?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:30 pmIm God and I cant even follow that poorly written article. Or perhaps I was disctracted by running the universe that I didnt pay attention much
May 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pmLiz reminds me of Goebbels.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pmROFL, funny bullshit article…A cheney by any name means evil….P.B. & J
May 17th, 2009 at 1:34 pmGod, I can’t stand this broad. MSM is letting her change the debate on torture. And who is she? She holds no office. She isn’t an elected official. WTF?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pmThe Cheney family is chock full of pure JERKS and ASSHATS!
May 17th, 2009 at 1:37 pmshe’s a liar, from a family of liars.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:38 pmCHENEY: I think that it’s important for us to have all the facts out. And and, the first and most important fact is that the vice president has been absolutely clear that he supported this program, this was an important program, it saved American lives.
Liz, it is not a “fact” this program “saved American lives.” Who told you that, your father? The one who lied about the whole shooting-the-78-year-old-lawyer-in-the-face thing?
Liz, what you need to understand (because you clearly don’t) is that it makes no difference how many lives were saved, it was illegal. By the logic your father used, killing Saddam would have saved American lives. Why didn’t we assassinate Saddam without invading the whole country? (I’ll give you a hint – it would have been illegal.)
And even if it was true that torturing people saved lives (it isn’t true, but let’s pretend it is), that would still not justify doing it. It was a violation of US and international law. The ends do not justify the means.
Lastly, Liz, did your father tell you that the “authorization” (which wasn’t constitutionally binding) to use waterboarding was only to prevent an imminent attack? Which imminent attack(s) did waterboarding Zubaydah and KSM prevent? (I’ll give you another hint – None, since nothing happened. Besides, if an attack were “imminent”, why did they waterboard KSM for a month? Wouldn’t an “imminent attack” have happened within that time frame? If not, then it wasn’t “imminent”, was it?)
And why would you know so much about this if you worked in the State Dept?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:39 pmTHE DICK WOULD NEVER LIE!!
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May 17th, 2009 at 1:41 pm.
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Ouch. That snarkage was *painful*!!
The entire Cheney family must be scared shitless that Dick is goin’ down for his torture program, so they’re all out pimping “his side of the story” 24/7.
It’s really pitiful.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:45 pmLiz is a criminal like her dad. From the wiki:
“Elizabeth Cheney also headed the Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group (ISOG), established in March 2006, a unit within the State Department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs.
In April 2006, The New York Times published a story critical of Cheney’s work, particularly with respect to Iran. Of particular scrutiny was a grants program administered by Elizabeth Cheney’s unit, in collaboration with a Republican-affiliated foundation, the International Republican Institute.[17] The Times maintained that when the group became controversial, with critics saying that it was plotting covert actions that could escalate into war with Iran and Syria, the group was disbanded, by May 2006. Shortly before the ISOG group was dissolved, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a major effort to engage Iran and Syria in efforts to stabilize Iraq.[18] As late as April 11, 2009, Iranian officials investigating “cyber-crimes” cited Cheney’s efforts in the daily newspaper Iran, specifically the “Democracy Program” [sic] initiative as parallel to a Netherlands-funded push for a “velvet revolution” accomplished by a media campaign to polarize the country, “despite the 1981 Algiers Accords signed between the U.S. and Iran in the aftermath of the U.S. embassy takeover in Tehran.” [19]”
Wow…trying to destabilize Iran through the back channels…a real traitor to this nation…she’s probably CIA to the core.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI find it pitiful that he has to send his daughter out there to defend his honor. And why does the MSM give people like Liz Cheney, Meghan McCain and other people with no political background these seats at the table to discuss things about which they have no knowledge?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:46 pmCheney wheezes so much now when he talks that I guess he has to send Liz out there to do his talking/lying for him.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:47 pmAnd the Craig’s List Killer’s girlfriend says that Markoff would never hurt a fly…
May 17th, 2009 at 1:48 pmWhen she says “consider the source” about Wilkerson saying that he is “making a cottage industry out of what he says”, then I guess that we could say the same about Liz Cheney. The difference being that Wilkerson was there, in the middle of things whereas the only thing that Cheney has to go on is the word of her father, a proven liar.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:48 pmActually Bibo I thought Meghan McCain said some intelligent stuff (she stood up for teh gays)…Liz Cheney…NOT!
May 17th, 2009 at 1:48 pmOkay let me think…first thing that comes to mind is alternative intelligence
May 17th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Everyone who thinks waterboarding is okay should be waterboarded.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pmLiz, Your Cheney is showing.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:51 pmhow would SHE know?
aren’t all these documents “classified”?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:51 pmunbelievable Says:
Everyone who thinks waterboarding is okay should be waterboarded.
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Where is Sean Mannity and Mann Coulter when you need them.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:52 pmProud,Your such a SHEEPLE to even think that muchless believe it,You have swallowed the Noble Lie hook,line and sinker!
May 17th, 2009 at 1:54 pmConsider the source.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:56 pmUp next:
dick’s auntie betsey on fox telling the viewers that torture was necessary.
Why should she be credible?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:59 pmHer father needs to use his family to help defend his lawlessness? Guess he sees the writing on the wall — truth is coming, it may be slow and plodding to get here, but it is on the way.
She is the offspring of the five-deferment Dick, the one who lied us into war, who pressed for false intel to support his plan for invasion of a strategic – and vulnerable – country that would provide a toehold in the region to grab more oil, the pseudo-hunter who drank too many beers, shot his friend in the face, tried to dismiss it, and then had the FRIEND APOLOGIZE!
May 17th, 2009 at 2:05 pmThe fruit doesn’t usually fall far from the tree – Liz Cheney is on TV today because of who she is – not for any legitimate reason – she is a rotten fruit of the Cheney tree.
Proud,
Seriously, dude. Give it up. Your opinions, which you are entitled to have, are not based on reality. Not only will you never convince anyone that you are right, you won’t even be able to follow the Republican plan of raising doubt in anyone’s mind.
You should take what little dignity you have left and go find a website where your bizarre opinions can feel at home.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:05 pmchristopher wiwi Says: Where is Sean Mannity and Mann Coulter when you need them
Hiding under the bed again, no doubt.
Christopher Hitchens described being waterboarded – twice – in his Vanity Fair article. He said it’s just like being drowned.
I keep daring a guy I know who calls waterboarding ‘pouring water on people’ to have it done to himself. Funny how the cowards can never swallow their own medicine.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:05 pmThe dark one’s daughter has the blonde non-threatening facade to help her hide her dark heart.
The only good thing about them putting her out there, that I’ve been able to come up with so far, is that it makes their game plan a bit less opaque.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:07 pmProud Says: Obama listened to Cheney and then followed thru
Prove it.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pmYou gotta love these right-wing chickenhawks:
Rusty Limpballs sends his maid to buy drugs for him and Dick Cheney parades his daughter around in the media as a disinformation agent.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThey are scared as the rest of the GOP clan. They constantly talking will put the nail in the coffin. I’m tired of them spewing lies. That party (GOP) needs to be disbanned and a new one need to rise without all the hourse sh*t and a$$wipe current leaders. They are the party of hatred, lies, criminals, et al.,
May 17th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAnd the Vice President would not substitute his own judgment for the professional judgment of the CIA.
Liz,
The professional judgment of the CIA was that Saddam did not have WMD. Why was your father constantly visiting the CIA looking for something that gave credence to his own pre-formed judgment that Saddam did have WMD?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:18 pmOn some other board today, somebody said the best thing that Liz Cheney could do would be to try to catch a falling piano…
May 17th, 2009 at 2:22 pmwhy is this upscale welfare queen given any facetime to whore out for her old man?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:22 pmProve that Obama did what he did because of what Cheney said. You can’t. All you can do is apply the favorite ploy of conservatives – the Logical Fallacy. I have news for you, Proud. Just because Event B follows Event A, it does not necessarily follow that Event A caused Event B.
My recollection is that Obama promised to end the military commissions as Bush was doing them. He changed the policy, mostly regarding the evidence allowed. That is hardly the same as continuing Bush’s policies. Bush’s policy was to give those people totally unfair trials, if they were ever going to get trials at all.
And he was wrong to not release the photos of abuse and to continue the false meme that it was the work of a “few bad apples”. Whoever convinced him to do that did so with lies.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:28 pmProud Says:
Prove it.
Prove what? That he will begin the military tribunals or that he decided not to release the interrogation photos.
Prove that he gave any consideration at all to Cheney.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:28 pmDoes Liz have a security clearance that allows her access to clasified data, or did her Daddy violate his clearance by discussing classified data with her, or is she just making stuff up?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:30 pmThe thing about Lynne Cheney, apart from the fact that her defense of her own father must be inherently suspect, is that she is in no position to know the facts surrounding anything she’s talking about. She had no role in the Bush Administration and, therefore, could have no first hand knowledge of the matters she’s discussing. Furthermore, if her source for this information is her father, then Dick Cheney has committed yet another crime by discussing this stuff with someone without the necessary security clearances.
Why does the MSM consider her a relevant, informed or credible source here? It’s absurd!
May 17th, 2009 at 2:30 pmBozo,
At this link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/17/webb-right-wing/comment-page-1/#comment-5645559
I posted the following:
“I watched the completely rude Liz Cheney this a.m. and all I could think of was why she is allowed on ABC to defend her war criminal, mudering bastard father. ABC constantly stacks this show with neocons. She talked over the host. She interrupted people repeatly. A really rude and arrogant asshat!”
I’ll say this again. ABC News is stacking the corporate facist media deck against progressives.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:34 pmI wonder if Liz calls her dad “Mr. Vice President” when she isn’t on the TV?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:35 pmdixie blood Says:
I posted the following:
“ABC constantly stacks this show with neocons.” I’ll say this ABC News is stacking the corporate facist media deck against progressives.”
honestly, does this surprise you coming from the network that broadcast “the path to 9-11″ uninterrupted and commercial free?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:37 pmProud Says:
Wayne Ant Schneider Says
You can’t prove that he didn’t act on Cheneys advice either, sorta makes your head spin. I would say timing or coincidence was on my side.
I can’t prove he isn’t acting on the Tarot deck for advice, but I’m not the one making ridiculous assertions. You are.
You know he’s not getting any advice from Biden, so why not act on advice from the former vice president. Why are you libs upset I am supporting your president as long as he continues to maintain the Bush/Cheney policies, which so far he is doing a pretty good job of.
That would explain why he’s getting so much support and appreciation from the GOPers. You really are delusional.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:41 pmWhy is the Cheney clan repetitiously out there in the media at this point? Can one imagine if the Gore family constantly were in your face in the media about the stolen election of 2000 after bush took office?
Oh, I forgot…. the GNOP OWN the media.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pmBozo,
I’m not surprised at all. You ask, “why is this upscale welfare queen given any facetime to whore out for her old man?” and I provided my “final” answer. 8-))
The Path to 9-11 is the ABC abortion that proves ABC and ABC News are phu(king the GOP without neoCondoms.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pmmary lacewing Says:
The dark one’s daughter has the blonde non-threatening facade to help her hide her dark heart.
HAHAHAHAHA
blondes are non-threatening? Where did you dig this shit up.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:57 pmProud Says:
Obama/Cheney is turning out to be quite an effective team. It’s so good to see Obama following the advice and continuing the effective policies of Pres Bush. Biden the doofus must be so jealous.
Proud, you out did yourself…. think?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:00 pmAn obvious question keeps replaying itself. The Cheney/Bush administration chooses a course of action after 9/11. Those actions were based on sound American values the public would readily accept, and those actions would produce results. The degree to which the Right wing and Cheney are trying to steer the argument is puzzling.
The actions the Cheney/Bush administration took should be allowed to stand on their own merit, no steerage.
The more the Right tries to steer the argument, the more obvious the Cheney/Bush culpability in activities that were not legal and un-American.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:01 pm.
Dear Think Progress,
When you write, “Last month, after President Obama released Bush-era legal memos authorizing torture,” this legitimizes the notion that I too, can hire a lackey lawyer to write a memo that allows me to violate the law with impunity. But really, how legal can a memo be if what it does is redefine the limits to which US Case Law and International Law apply so as to reconstitute what otherwise would be considered illegal, legal?
I mean to say, continuing to call these memos “legal” in any sense of the term, “legal” does an injustice. It is NOT legal to advise ones client as to how they CAN violate the law. THAT is call “CONSPIRACY”… another illegal act.
Why not call these memos authorization to commit legal TORTURE, RAPE, and MURDER? Because we all know how criminal TORTURE, RAPE and MURDER really are, I’m sure having memos calling it legal changes everything, YES? And perpetuating this does wonders for Justice?
I didn’t know I could crush a little boys testicles, put him in a box with scorpions, and sodomize him with a broom handle and call it legal. Really?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:07 pmflight,
The obvious point that no one wishes to drive home is the FACT that the discussions we’re having today is because the Bush/Cheney Administration did NOT keep the Nation safe the first 9 months they were in office.
Funny how the pundits keep framing the arguments of today around the issue of National Security, eh? So, just where was that security on 09/10/01?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:16 pmExactly, Fight! If everything Liz Cheney, and the few who are defending her father, say is true then we should be having parades for Dick Cheney!—He saved thousands of American lives! He should be a front-runner for 2012. We should be releasing all the photos and videos of our wonderful interrogation program. Experts from CIA, Defense, SERE training should be lining up to appear on TV to testify for Dick Cheney and waterboarding, instead of his non-expert, obviously-biased daughter.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pmSomebody stick a sock in her. She’s ridiculous.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm**oops, I meant Flight #51
May 17th, 2009 at 3:18 pmGame of Life Says:
blondes are non-threatening? Where did you dig this shit up.
Can you honestly tell me that you would have the same perception of Liz Cheney and her combative lying and spinning if she had short dark hair? And yes I do think it comes into play, especially in the case of a woman in my opinion, which is based on many years of personal experience.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:27 pmProud,
We asked you to prove what you said, and all you could come back with is that we can’t prove that you are wrong. Proving something doesn’t work that way. You don’t throw out a hypothesis and then say it must be right because no one can prove it wrong.
I’ll give you a simple example. I think you are a moronic, flaming a$$hole. You can’t prove me wrong, so I must be right.
Now, would you accept my line of reasoning as valid?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:33 pmHow sad have we become when we allow the Cheney’s to make their case for torturing other human beings? Anyone else with a soul would hide their face in shame and want NOTHING to do with this smear on America.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pmProud wants to see 3 million jobs created in the next eight years..
Why does Proud hate America?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:44 pmLibertyLover Says:
I wonder if Liz calls her dad “Mr. Vice President” when she isn’t on the TV?
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I was just thinking that Thanksgiving must be very special with non-gay daughter calling dad “Mr. VP” and gay surrogate mother daughter not invited. Oh, yeah, the Cheneys are hypocritical about gay parents, just like everything else.
Also, aren’t we missing the point? Isn’t this all Pelosi’s fault for knowing about the executive branch committing war crimes and not stopping it? I thought the not stopping it was more important than the illegal behavior in the first place.
At least that’s what Fox News says….
May 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pmPoor Liz, I notice she talks like her dad,
May 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pmIf you can’t win an argument on the facts, attack the integrity of the person supplying the facts. This woman is a real chip off the old block. She has learned her father’s mastery of lies and nasty insinuation. And the others do very little to stand up for the one attacked — in this case Wilkerson. Fortunately, they ran out of time or she would have accused him of eating his children.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pmProud, use your head. Cheney used alternative intelligence supplied by Chalabi. You call that Bush policy?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pmOT
May 17th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI just saw the ceremony at Notre Dame — the president of the school was eloquent, and Obama was inspirational. It was a wonderful, thoughtful speech, touching on all the controversy with respect.
There was more than one standing ovation, lots of applause and when a heckler was heard, the graduates shouted him down.
(I think there was a secret service man directly behind Obama because his eyes never stopped scanning the crowd.)
It was really a memorable event for those in attendance, I am sure.
If we eliminate the idea that torture works; if we take seriously the fact that the terror suspects who were tortured had previously revealed valuable information without being tortured; if we factor in the reality that these techniques were invented in order to gather intentionally false confessions; and if we look at the evidence showing that detainees were tortured so they would specifically connect Iraq and al-Qaeda, we’re left with no conclusion other than this. Or sadism as sport.
No wonder Dick Cheney is so frantic.
From a column by Bob Cesca called, “The Real Motive Behind the Cheney Family Torture Tour“.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pmProud seems to think Curveballs lies should guide our policy.
What are you a terrorist Proud?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pmHmmmm, would Lizzy lie for her daddy?
Rachel Maddow talks to Jane Mayer about the amount of involvement Dick Cheney had with the CIA in pushing them for the intelligence he wanted to make the case for the invasion of Iraq. (C&L link)
May 17th, 2009 at 3:58 pmDon’t forget Rumsy sending prayers to bush on regular basis, while they tortured.
The three stooges, bush, cheney, and rumsfeld were certain they would never be caught.
Republicans are the party of the depraved.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:58 pmmary lacewing
As Fox uses blonds, cleavage and legs you have to wonder if they are distracting in order to cover up their impotent content or using this to attract their lame gopper audience.
May 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pmLOL, a terrified terrorist
May 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pmOUCH!
May 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pmAnd let’s not forget the Office of Special Planning that Feith created to stovepipe intelligence (Chalabi? Curveball?) directly into the White House without the proper CIA vetting.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:06 pmI really want to see a War Criminal like Chenney prosecuted. But when Liz says things like this, I wouldn’t mind if they just drop dead!
May 17th, 2009 at 4:11 pmThe Dick really enjoys using “his” women, doesn’t he?
He used them to get 5 deferments from military service, and he’s constantly trotting out his wife and this sorry sack of shit daughter to continue his lying for him.
Don’t get me wrong, I have no doubt that these women are doing this willingly. Why? Search me…
May 17th, 2009 at 4:28 pmThere’s nothing that Liz Cheney can say to change the disasterous legacy of torture her father left our country. When she opens her mouth all I hear is GUILTY!
May 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pmLiz is fighting for her Father’s life and Darth Cheney is really scared. This is much bigger then detainees. Yes Dick wanted anyone to say Al Qeada/Iraq but it was much bigger then that. Many detainees were questioned about what Russia, China, Iran, Syria and other countries secrets. Dick torture 17 Chinese men which had nothing to do with Iraq/ Al Qeada but they were tortured for information about China. One man captured in Bosina was held and tortured for 8 years to get secrets about Russia. This man knew nothing and Friday Obama released him to France with his relatives. I saw some of the pictures and it’s carelly a War Crime and I pray President Obama doesn’t allow the pictures of the woman/children being tortured by the USA.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:33 pmFrom further along in this same tv program:
VANDEN HEUVEL: Can this table agree that we need a commission to investigate — to investigate the full range of abuse, misuse of intelligence, in addition, what we’ve seen over the last week, Liz, and we may live on different planets is a coordinated campaign to distract attention from the true architects of a torture campaign which has made this country less secure, I think that is what millions of Americans have seen and the polls, which show that President Cheney who has given interviews …
STEPHANOPOULOS: Vice president …
VANDEN HEUVEL: Oh, I’m sorry. I always thought of him as president. Has given interviews to the compliant media is now 56 GOP insiders think he’s doing damage to the Republican Party. What does that suggest?
CHENEY: Well, Katrina, I really appreciate your concern for the Republican Party and I think you and I do live on opposite planets but I do think that it’s the case that the American people, you know, when President Obama first came into office, he was asked do you agree with Vice President Cheney’s advice that you ought to take a long, hard look at these policies and at the intel and what we’ve learned before you make changes. He said I actually do, I agree with that. Day two, he comes into office and he doesn’t just change the policy but he releases to the terrorist, to the enemy the list of the techniques that we used so those techniques are now out there in the legal memos, they’re out there for the terrorists to train to. Then he comes in and says, listen, we’re going to prosecute potentially people who worked in the Bush administration who worked very hard to keep the nation safe. Now, in my view that’s un-American. That’s not something that’s ever happened before in this nation.
Hmmm, releasing information to terrorists, un-American, those are some charges there Liz! I hear she’s considering public office. Sounds like she’d make a great republican.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pmhad enough Says:
As Fox uses blonds, cleavage and legs you have to wonder if they are distracting in order to cover up their impotent content or using this to attract their lame gopper audience.
Dis-information goes down so much easier with honey.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:38 pm“…that the vice president…”
You forgot the word “Former”
I know he still acts like he matters…
May 17th, 2009 at 4:41 pmi would LOVE to see her and wilkerson go toe to toe. he has said he is more than willing to go on ANT show with her. she wont. i wonder why?
he is an unimpeachable source of info and she aned he rest of the Bush Crime Family know it. i hope he stays out of private planes until this is all over.
dont you just love the good old cheney charm? i hope her kids take after their father, the turkey baster.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:45 pmtrooper,
This is the “not gay” daughter. She has been pumping out babies for years, and yes, I hope they don’t take after her.
They only trot out the gay daughter before elections, to show how “tolerant” they are.
May 17th, 2009 at 4:49 pmEnough. Just enough of the cover up. Eight hears …actually nearly three decades of lies never revealed to the public.
Cheney’s secrets:
http://tvnewslies.org/html/cheney_s_secrets.html
May 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pmI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Liz Cheney is suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome.
Nothing she says about her own blood is relevant. She is biased beyond all bias. She only makes for good TeeVee revenue and only makes the case against her own father worse.
Friggin torture apologist be GONE!
May 17th, 2009 at 5:01 pmIf Cheney is ever charged its going to take a while for him to be brought to justice. In my opinion I dont think he will be alive when the time does come. Im not saying this because i want to see the criminal die, its a fact that he has a bad heart. I would much rather see him stand trial for the crimes he committed.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:11 pmThe GOP Was trying to change the face of their party by rebranding it with a cute blonde like Meghan McCain. Question? Where has she been lately?
Now, the Darth Chainy crime family is using the “blonde woman” approach to the war crimes issue.
They all think that trotting out a woman will create fewer attacks on their cause.
This was done way back in Europe when princesses where married off to other countries in order to create treaties through blood. This way, the countries could not attack due to this bond.
The GOP is just “modernizing” this concept using the media to “marry” these women to the American media dolts willing to say “I DO”.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:13 pmSeriously, what do people think Liz Cheney is going to say about her father?
If she was able to comprehend the truth of what her father is and what he’s done, and was inclined to speak out, she wouldn’t be allowed out of the house.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:26 pmCheney is just lying to cover up the fact that he was attempting to torture false confessions out of detainees.
He is one evil dick.
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May 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThose eight years were probably a nightmare for a lot of the CIA, too. I found myself cheering for the CIA, at times, and felt beside myself.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:34 pmI know what you mean wiley! It was so obvious they were being used towards Cheney and his gang’s ends.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:40 pmHow can someone defend something so hideous? Does Liz honestly think this is acceptable? As a mother I think this is unexcusible. Isn’t Liz a mother? Unreal.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:41 pmRight wingers think torture is intimidating to the enemy, but you know what is MORE intimidating?
Proving to the world that you can hold true to your values in the face of attack, that you can maintain your integrity and defeat terrorist criminals without resorting to torture and war.
Too bad right wingers are too cowardly to understand that concept.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pmOh but P.D. if you REALLY loved your children then you would do ANYTHING to keep them safe, get it? That’s one of their new talking points in a nutshell.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pmRantingTommy Says:
Cheney is just lying to cover up the fact that he was attempting to torture false confessions out of detainees.
false comments to justify our pending invasion of Iraq.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pmHow could ANYONE seriously believe that Lizzie Cheney would voluntarily discuss TRUTHFUL ISSUES regarding DADDY DEAREST? He put her out in public in hopes that she can save his a@@, but even God can’t do that for him since he has NOT only admitted his GUILT in torture, but has said he is VERY PROUD of what he did in order to PROTECT AMERICA! Only problem is that none of us wanted anyone [not even terrorists] tortured in our names! Lizzie cannot possibly PROTECT daddy dearest from ending up in the Hague.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pmShe’s been raised on a diet of suberfuge and engineered regime changes. I suppose what else can we expect than neocon dogma.
May 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pmYesterday the WashPost printed this, sourced to an “anonymous intelligence official”…
The two top priorities driving so-called enhanced interrogation techniques were information on the locations of al-Qaeda leadership and plots against the United States. … Questions were asked about Iraq, but the notion that waterboarding was used to extract from either an admission that Iraq and al-Qaeda had a relationship is false, period.
This is not a denial of the use of waterboarding in these cases…it is a denial that the desired info was “extracted.” More important, in the context given of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” the official is confirming that under torture questions were asked about an Iraq-alQaeda link….but waterboarding did not get the desired results.
Even Stalin was more forthright than these people. Amerika! Phooey!!!
May 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pmGeorge W. Bush and Dick Cheney authorized murder and torture of innocent people. The question is, did they have the right to do that?
May 17th, 2009 at 6:00 pmThe bottom line is that torture is illegal. The Cheney`s and the rest of the cons can spin the living sht out of it but its still illegal. Please let the trials begin.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:00 pmbut waterboarding did not get the desired results.
Does that mean that waterboarding doesn’t ‘work’ after all? I’m so confused.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pmmary@93, Yeah, I love how right-wingers always play the fear card and use the worst attack on our country as a talking point to defend their unjustfible behavior.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:04 pmWaterboarding is only torture when Nancy Pelosi knows about it! /snark
She’s as sick as her dear old dad Darth Cheney
May 17th, 2009 at 6:05 pm#98 Delafield,
May 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pmNo way in hll did they have a right to torture and kill. Bush/Cheney need to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
ProudMoron what is good to see is that you are as stupid as you always are. Some things in the universe SHOULD be constant and your abject stupidity is definitly a constant
May 17th, 2009 at 6:13 pmSince Sean Hannity won’t submit to torture to prove to us that it’s no big deal, then I think it’s time for Liz Cheney to submit to it! Yeah, yeah, and I don’t want to hear her say, “Do you know who I am!!!! My father will have your hide on the wall!!!” to try and get out of it.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:13 pmOT
May 17th, 2009 at 6:25 pmRantingTommy, Playing ‘Ere now. I gave you a thumbs up. Nice hook and piano!
After witnessing this entire charade for eight years, the MSM still allows the thugs of the Bush Crime Family to control the discussion uncontested. Waterboarding is torture. Torture is a crime. If Bush and Cheney authrized a crime it is a war crime. War crimes are punishable. Why are the thugs arguing the same arguement we heard several years ago without any objective questioning from the talking heads? Cheney should hang.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:40 pmDick is never going to see a day in jail.
He will refuse to breathe the day he is indicted.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pmWill this neocon-in-training Liz be with her father on Thursday at the AEI when he gives his speech?
Amid claims that the interrogation methods amount to torture and that those who approved them should be prosecuted or censured, it is clear that we know surprisingly little about the scope and efficacy of the Bush administration’s national security policy. Many questions linger: What type of information did enhanced interrogation methods yield? Were lives saved as a result? Could that intelligence have been effectively collected by other means? How effective was the terrorist surveillance program in detecting the threat of al Qaeda and its operatives in the post-9/11 period? Will inhibiting these procedures cost more American lives?
On May 21, former vice president Dick Cheney will speak at AEI to address these critical issues and provide a blueprint for keeping America safe in the future.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:43 pmThanks much, right/left!
We need all the help we can get!
May 17th, 2009 at 6:44 pmWhat Cheney’s daughter is saying simply :
May 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm“My daddy has nothing to do with anything.It is all the fault of intellignece”.
OT
May 17th, 2009 at 6:58 pmRantingTommy, You’re welcome. I play 12-string and 6-string guitar. I have a Line 6 AxSys 212 for processing and mixing vocals. I’m a hobbyist at it and know how hard it is to break out.
When I sat down with my cup of morning coffee and saw Liz Cheney, George Will and McCain’s campaign staffer sitting it wasn’t long before I turned the channel. Note to “Stephanopolous”, you turn you show into a damn “Joke Show” like “Hannity’s America” or “Morning Joe” when you allow it to be used in this manner. Today’s show was TOTAL BULL $***!!! I hope next week will be better.
May 17th, 2009 at 7:00 pmThe liberal media allows the reichwingnut extremist propagandists to control the conversation. It is a damned joke.
May 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pmThis is the eldest daughter, the one with children. She is the reason for at least one of the dick’s deferments in the Viet Nam era — she is still doing him favors.
May 17th, 2009 at 7:13 pmThe other daughter is the gay one (I think she is married) and she keeps a low profile until they need her to represent their “tolerance.”
Also in the family, it is surprising how little coverage has been given Lynn Cheney’s books wherein she writes of very steamy sex scenes – both heterosexual and homosexual.
I can only imagine the public outcry and the Fox interpretation of such writing had a Democrat been the author.
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May 17th, 2009 at 7:14 pmWhy is she on television? Why does the media think she’s relevant, let alone objective? Trash.
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May 17th, 2009 at 7:18 pmbarrelhse Says:
Why is she on television? Why does the media think she’s relevant, let alone objective? Trash.
For decades, the right wing has been trying to push the idea that in order to be fair, you have to have someone who agrees and someone who disagrees on a show to discuss any issue. (They were upset because they felt their side’s views were not getting presented to the public who, the assumed, would welcome them.) Once they started to get the attention they demanded, they started having people present their side using lies and distortions. (They already knew that if they tried to win on the merits of their arguments they would lose, primarily because their arguments have no merits.)
Liz Cheney is on the TV machine now because journalists do not want to do their job and investigate things. Investigating things costs money and takes time. It’s cheaper and easier to just put someone on the show to represent the right wing and let them make their argument themselves. Unfortunately for the American public, the format of these discussions was such that all the right-winger had to do was lie, obfuscate, and distort for about four minutes and the job would be done. And what job was that? Not to convince anyone that they are right, but rather to confuse enough people into believing that maybe the left wasn’t completely right, that the issue was far from settled, that no one could really know what the truth is.
That’s what Liz Cheney is there to do – to confuse people into doubting what they thought they already knew, not to inform people on the merits of her positions (which, as I said, has no merits.)
May 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pmAlot of people dont believe Cheney, so obviously alot of people would for once like to here him speak the truth. How do you think his daughter Liz would feel about waterboarding her daddy to get the truth out? They both think that its not torture, you know because our service men went through it for SERE. So she should have no problem with daddy Dick going through it for us Americans and the rest of the world to see that they broke no laws,and it doesnt affect you physically or emotionally.
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May 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThe 5-deferment/”I had other priorities” Cheney and family attempt to marginalize and demonize Colin Powell and Col. Wilkerson is beyond disgusting.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:40 pmI prefer John Gotti’s daughter. At least she does not pretend not to come from a crime family.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pmEff the MSM. These are the same lowlifes that assisted Cheney in lying to and deceiving the American public back in 2002.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:55 pmNow they are at it again.
On the bright side. With Cheneys in the world we have no need of gods or devils to define evil.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pmIt is no secret to television shows that invite Liz Cheney that she is there on television to defend and protect her father.
Her statements already are known in advance, so why bring her?!!!
She cannot, and will not bring any kind of objectivity to the issues under discussion that her father was involved in.
So why we,as viewers,should sit down and watch her knowing in advance what her answers are going to be ?!!!!
May 17th, 2009 at 9:02 pmUnless the television networks purposely are trying to help D. Cheney. !
Max Anax junius -1 Says: Thank you!
I red flagged the sorbet spammer too! LOL
May 17th, 2009 at 9:07 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
Truly good points.
Seems like MSM is more concerned with ratings and their “proud sponsors.”
May 17th, 2009 at 9:09 pmmaxamillion Says:
When I sat down with my cup of morning coffee and saw Liz Cheney, George Will and McCain’s campaign staffer sitting it wasn’t long before I turned the channel. Note to “Stephanopolous”, you turn you show into a damn “Joke Show” like “Hannity’s America” or “Morning Joe” when you allow it to be used in this manner. Today’s show was TOTAL BULL $***!!! I hope next week will be better.
They know damn well what they’re doing they assisted and abetted Cheney the first time around.
May 17th, 2009 at 9:12 pmIt’s over. The MSM does not have enough credibility to be trusted.
Speaking of propaganda, why isn’t anyone crediting the Obama Administration’s diplomatic efforts in getting more involvement from Pakistan? While Bushco was in charge, we went seven years into the “war on terror” with nothing but lip-service from Pakistan. Now? They appear fully committed.
What changed? Our President. And yet, there’s not a peep from the “Bush kept us safe” crowd. Of course, then they would have to admit that Obama has had successes.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_PAKISTAN?SITE=SCFLO&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
May 17th, 2009 at 9:44 pmtsk tsk children. Lame groupthink attacks, that is Sooooo 2008!
Liz murdered goats, turned cows inside out from her spaceship experiments. etc…
The woman goes on a talk show, expresses her freedom of Speech and you sheeple groupthink about her trying to outdo yourselves for the most juvenile comments.
Way to go sheeple! Oh and I am sure troll comment is coming in 3,2,1…
b/c I dont groupthink like you
Do you EVER think any of you will grow a brain? There are kids in elementary school less brainwashed and with better manners.
May 17th, 2009 at 9:46 pmOk, dont bother answering or thinking or using the noodle between your ears. You can just say troll for trying to get you people to think critically for once in your lives.
I am almost I am sorry I created all of you
~ GOD
hormiga brava chavez Says:
Max Anax junius -1 Says: Thank you!
I red flagged the sorbet spammer too! LOL
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May 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pm.
. Someone give this guy a cookie!
“God”, I prayed for you to stop posting here. Please answer my prayers.
Thank you.
P.S. Say hello to your son, HeySeuz, in the Hizzy.
May 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pmI am almost I am sorry I created all of you
~ GOD
GOD, I am almost sorry I am sorry you are almost are sorry
Whats up William?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pmAll war criminals, propagandists, and apologists should face trial for war crimes with the maximum penalty being to be hung by the neck until you know what.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:01 pmAnd I never knew Lix Cheney could pilot a UFO =P
May 17th, 2009 at 10:01 pmShe gave her opinion GOD, but that doesnt mean I agree with her opinion. I guess thats why you gave us free will.
Anyway, Bill, I am curious, why is she killing Cows, arent they sacred to Brahman?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:10 pmJust one word Liz: Levenworth
May 17th, 2009 at 10:11 pmOk, ok, Leavenworth
May 17th, 2009 at 10:12 pm#Xisithrus Says:
And I never knew Lix Cheney could pilot a UFO =P
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May 17th, 2009 at 10:12 pmWait, cant everyone pilot a UFO?
Thats like easier than driving a semi-truck with all of them gears.
I Lix Cheney is her really dumpy lesbian sister
Do you EVER think any of you will grow a brain? -=GOD=-
Thats quite a paradoxical question. Wouldnt it take a brain to think if had grown a brain and if one had the ability to think then they would have a brain, right?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:14 pmRantingTommy Says:
Xisithrus Says:
Proud seems to think Curveballs lies should guide our policy.
What are you a terrorist Proud?
LOL, a terrified terrorist
May 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
That’s because he believes his own lies.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:15 pmObviously the cows cant else they would be lasering out human behinds…=P
May 17th, 2009 at 10:18 pmXisithrus Says:
The woman goes on a talk show, expresses her freedom of Speech and you sheeple groupthink about her trying to outdo yourselves for the most juvenile comments.
She gave her opinion GOD, but that doesnt mean I agree with her opinion. I guess thats why you gave us free will.
Anyway, Bill, I am curious, why is she killing Cows, arent they sacred to Brahman?
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No cows are sacred to Hindus, not their creator among many who isnt a cow although share a same name.
Thats like Rita and the cosmic order being confused with Atman and atman
I dont what the big deal is. Its her dad, she had an interview about him. She didnt kill any cows, it was a joke about demonization when anyone interviewed from groupthink would totally get massacred with questions on their beliefs.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pmAnd you know this maing!
“God”
I refer you to my comments at #8 above. I refuted Liz Cheney’s lies about the lies of her father without any of the childishness of which you accuse everyone here. [Not for nothing, what would I know, I'm an atheist, but since we all know that you are not really God, are you not guilty of judging others? Didn't someone you should know say something like "Judge not lest ye be judged"?]
I defy you to prove that anything I said in that comment was wrong. If you can’t, then I will thank you to take your God-complex and leave.
Good day, Sir!
May 17th, 2009 at 10:22 pmActually she worked in the state department and also preferred, from what I gather, alternative intelligence from Feiths group, which Dick and Dubya preferred, and Chalabi.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pmGod, This is a progresive blog, if you read the posts on here and can comprehend what we say than you can surely see that we think for ourselves. Obviously you have been on conservative blogs, your screen name gives that away. Ive been on con blogs and thats pretty much cons ammunition, GOD.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:27 pmYou cons follow your leaders Limpdick, Billdo, Seany, and the rest of your BS leaders. Progressives lead and care about our country and want to do whats best for everyone. How the fck can you possibly think the last eight years under Bush/Cheney were good for our country. The same goes for Limpdick and the rest of the talking heads on the right. They dont give a rats ass about our country. Do you think theres a reason why support for the repug party grows smaller by the day.
Wake up!
Black Irish and trippin on a bike in the Outback is no way to go through life young man….
May 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pmIt seems rather pitiful to me when the only person you can get to go on the talk shows and defend you is your own daughter.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pmShe is trying to save her daddy’s ass by lying like a rug. She’s no more credible than her buckshot father.
You should be speaking out that your way of life deserves all the rights and freedoms as “opposite marriages.”
her father doesn’t even agree with her way of life…how is the baby and wifey, liz?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pmGame of Life,
May 17th, 2009 at 10:39 pmYour first two sentences are very true. But you have the Cheney daughters mixed up. It is Mary, the younger one, who is a lesbian with a “wife” and child.
God Says:
The woman goes on a talk show, expresses her freedom of Speech and you sheeple groupthink about her trying to outdo yourselves for the most juvenile c
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Whoa… lame cliches, pointless generalizations, & and trite stereotyping… so God’s a banal hack… who knew?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:41 pm“…blondes are non-threatening? Where did you dig this shit up.”
Game of Life, I’m a blonde – I don’t feel that I’m particularly threatening. ;)
May 17th, 2009 at 10:44 pmI like blondes…
May 17th, 2009 at 10:45 pmI know William, I was joking as well. =)
May 17th, 2009 at 10:49 pmXisithrus Says:
She didnt kill any cows
I know William, I was joking as well. =)
No, she wouldn’t kill any cows personally, but can we be certain she didn’t order any cows tortured?
May 17th, 2009 at 10:55 pmMe too.
‘Course, I also like brunettes and redheads…
May 17th, 2009 at 10:55 pmGod is a self-loathing and lonely teenager.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:56 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
“God”
I refer you to my comments at #8 above. I refuted Liz Cheney’s lies about the lies of her father without any of the childishness of which you accuse everyone here. [Not for nothing, what would I know, I'm an atheist, but since we all know that you are not really God, are you not guilty of judging others? Didn't someone you should know say something like "Judge not lest ye be judged"?]
I defy you to prove that anything I said in that comment was wrong. If you can’t, then I will thank you to take your God-complex and leave.
Good day, Sir!
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Let’s just resolve the debate that I am not God. For all of you who think I am God “raise your hand”
For all of you that can prove I am not God “Raise your hand”
For all of you know me by my nick “God” and my incredible insight “Raise your hand”
For everyone who thinks she killed cows, X-man take a bow, we are starting a new league here for people with a sense of humor.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:57 pmEveryone from the Northeast is exclusive, as well as anyone’s name that end’s in their home state or types in all CAPS LOCKS LIKE RIGHT-DINGALING
Outstanding, I think you mean, “can we be certain she didn’t order any cows to undergo enhanced interrogation techniques“.
Oh hell, what am I saying? They’re cows. If wingnuts will cheer for torturing humans, there’s no telling what they’d do to a cow. Heck, they might even get off the couch and torture the animals themselves instead of just fantasizing about it.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:58 pmI said Good Day, Sir!
May 17th, 2009 at 10:59 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
I said Good Day, Sir!
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.Ok, and I said in response to your “Good Day, Sir” the following: (hope we dont have to repeat this again) But as follows my response to your response:
Let’s just resolve the debate that I am not God. For all of you who think I am God “raise your hand”
For all of you that can prove I am not God “Raise your hand”
For all of you know me by my nick “God” and my incredible insight “Raise your hand”
For everyone who thinks she killed cows, X-man take a bow, we are starting a new league here for people with a sense of humor.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:03 pmEveryone from the Northeast is exclusively excluded, as well as anyone’s name that end’s in their home state or types in all CAPS LOCKS LIKE RIGHT-DINGALING
“God”, no one thinks you’re God except you. (I think there’s a psychological term for this. It’s called “infancy”.)
The rest of us think you’re a very tedious, unentertaining and socially maladroit teenager with an outsized estimation of what is in fact a very, very modest intellect, and sloppy way with words.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:03 pmGod Says:
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And of all you who think this one is an obnoxious windbag, raise your hand…
Whoa… unanimous… cool.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pmMelonheads are my favorite sideshow attraction…
May 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pmDon’t hold anything back, ralphie…
Tell us how you REALLY feel…
May 17th, 2009 at 11:06 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Heck, they might even get off the couch and torture the animals themselves instead of just fantasizing about it.
I don’t think so, don’t these folk always hire out their dirty work?
OT: I actually own an item called “The Easy Bloodless Castrater” for use on cattle.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:07 pmGod, You support Bush/Cheney that we know. Im guessing that you are in your early sixties and independently wealthy. In your den you have a safe that stands about six feet high. Its dark green with a gold leaf design on the front.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:08 pmInside of the safe you have six high powered rifles and one illegal assault rifle. Upstairs in your master suite you sleep on the right side of the bed next to your wife.
Inside your antique endtable you have your semi-automatic 9 mm handgun with hollow tip bullets. Then in your wifes huge walkin closet you have a brinks safe with twenty thousand dollars cash inside. Your donations to the repug party is like throwing money away, they are done. The other rightwingnuts are the ones who actually are getting a tax break from President Obama. The problem with them is they listen to the likes of limpdick and billdo and dont realize it. The good news is their starting to wake up. Like i said to you earlier wake up.
This story about the liz cheney story is giving traction to itself? This is a stupid story. This is not the type of stuff TP should be posting. I agree with Liz that the truth should come out. But when it does is she going to be sad when she realizes shes wrong about dick. But maybe when the truth comes out she’ll torture someone to admit that cheney was right all along. Whenever you need to know the truth, you just make it up and torture someone till they admit you’re right.
If you’re against tribunals what is the way you would close gitmo? just let everyone out? maybe an adopt a terrorist program? Its not such an easy solution no matter which way you
May 17th, 2009 at 11:08 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
“God”, no one thinks you’re God except you. (I think there’s a psychological term for this. It’s called “infancy”.)
The rest of us think you’re a very tedious, unentertaining and socially maladroit teenager with an outsized estimation of what is in fact a very, very modest intellect, and sloppy way with words.
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.Ralph, I rarely respond to your ignornant posts if ever as they offer very little but hateful diatribes of various posters who goosestep like a good nazi fascist in threads.
You see, Introduce concepts that make people wonder. Make people think (I wouldnt assume that with you though). SO my posts are not about you or your ability to incessantly state a few thousand times how much you hate repugnicans.
I write to the masses as God to change the world!
If I can open one mind, its worth it. A dozen minds, even greater!
My approach is much better than yours of just ad nauseum spewing out how much you hate repugnicans.
I mean 98% of the posters here do the same thing.
Be different, think independently. Give a point of you different than just some angry soccer mom in Maine who never studied but finds an outlet b/c her children are red-headed and she is forever pissed.,
Think man, think progress. 99 to 1 posts against repugnicans isnt debate, its nothing, its simply groupthink
May 17th, 2009 at 11:11 pmIf “God” were to go fu(k himself, would that be a sin?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:11 pmGod Says:
99 to 1 posts against repugnicans isnt debate, its nothing, its simply groupthink
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So we can assume you also held the GOOp to the same standard when they voted unanimously against the stimulus package, 176-0???
Groupthink, no?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:13 pmHi God:
Do pets go to heaven?
Why is it a gated community?
Is it okay to make out in that pavillion behind the church?
thanks.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:15 pmIt’s a school night. No use trying to reason with God—it’s an adolescent. Oh, the folly of youth. The stupid is strong in this one, though. It may not grow out of it.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:16 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
ralph the wonder locust Says:
Heck, they might even get off the couch and torture the animals themselves instead of just fantasizing about it.
I don’t think so, don’t these folk always hire out their dirty work?
OT: I actually own an item called “The Easy Bloodless Castrater” for use on cattle.
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. you know you are like sooo creative! What are you doing on a liberal blog where 99% of the people parrot exactly what you are saying. NOT YOU!
You are talent, you are like the next Tom CLancy! Ditch this site. Find your true calling., Saying lame ass 8th grade insults of, oh you guessed it, you hate republicans.
So original on this blog. Kinda pathetic. On other blogs, people debate the merits of either side. You can disagree with their logic.
But yeah, your ability to just say something totally stupid, not addressing or trying to understand the merits of the other side.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:16 pmI see a huge future for you in a Blockbuster store lol
dbadass Says:
Hi God:
Do pets go to heaven?
Why is it a gated community?
Is it okay to make out in that pavillion behind the church?
thanks.
,
May 17th, 2009 at 11:18 pm,
, Does God have a big toe?
God Says:
What are you doing on a liberal blog where 99% of the people parrot exactly what you are saying.
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Since you were afraid to answer my question the first time, let’s ask it again…
When GOOPers voted 176-0 against the stimulus package, were they also guilty of groupthink?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:20 pm#
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Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
If “God” were to go fu(k himself, would that be a sin
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May 17th, 2009 at 11:21 pm.
. Once again, proving how reasoned and logical of a debate foe you are *yawn*
When’s the next nascar rally you going to attend our resident genius?
God seems a little uptight tonight…
Threatened by its own “creation” i
It seems god has the emotional sophistication of the average middle schooler.
Maybe we should sacrifice something to this silly god of ours….
May 17th, 2009 at 11:21 pmDoes God have a big toe?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:22 pm—
I don’t know. Does god have it wedged in his ass?
Here is a list of hotlines for troubled teens.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:22 pmGod Says:
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Wayne Ant Schneider Says:
If “God” were to go fu(k himself, would that be a sin
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. Once again, proving how reasoned and logical of a debate foe you are *yawn*
When’s the next nascar rally you going to attend our resident genius?
No, it was you who proved incapable of having an intelligent conversation.
Good day, Sir!
May 17th, 2009 at 11:24 pmWhat if you don’t like democrats and you don’t like republicans because liking a group of people is like racism(ya know, judging without knowing) any ways I like certain politicians in certain positions. Bush was a not-so-hot president but he would have made a great ambassador to Texas.
Dick Cheney was a republican does that mean all women are bad drivers?
To Godcomplex: You like the word group think, and maybe you’re really really into calling people sheep, But I hate to Burst your bobble head, but theres only like 20 people that posted on here, and so saying 99 to 1 is retarded. You have posted at least 10 times out of 175 total posts. But haters were never very good with numbers. Burn. okay you can flame warz me now. because thats your M.O.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:27 pmdbadass Says:
Maybe we should sacrifice something to this silly god of ours….
Maybe, but given the quality of this god I don’t think it has to be spotless or perfect as prescribed. Got any aged produce?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm#
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sscncturn64 Says:
God, You support Bush/Cheney that we know. Im guessing that you are in your early sixties and independently wealthy. In your den you have a safe that stands about six feet high. Its dark green with a gold leaf design on the front.
Inside of the safe you have six high powered rifles and one illegal assault rifle. Upstairs in your master suite you sleep on the right side of the bed next to your wife.
Inside your antique endtable you have your semi-automatic 9 mm handgun with hollow tip bullets. Then in your wifes huge walkin closet you have a brinks safe with twenty thousand dollars cash inside. Your donations to the repug party is like throwing money away, they are done. The other rightwingnuts are the ones who actually are getting a tax break from President Obama. The problem with them is they listen to the likes of limpdick and billdo and dont realize it. The good news is their starting to wake up. Like i said to you earlier wake up.
And I guess you’d be a total dumbass assuming that everyone that make talk about physics, logic or alternative thinking must be a Bush/Cheney supporter.
What a brilliant thinker you have demonstrated yourself to be.
I didnt support Bush/Cheney. I dont they would suscribe to my Church of God and worship me. Any and everyone of my posts also describe how they messed up this country.
Bush fiddle while Rome burned.
But also, I’d like you to think for yourselves and realize that alot of the mess came from BOTH sides of the politicians. Dems funneling money to themselves and PAC funs. Peolosi, Harman and Fienstein raping funds.
TO assume that I support the idiots Bush and Cheney, you obviously have never had a gnat’s long enough attention span to read my posts. We invaded a sovereign country with no intelligence and plundered the treasure of the USA while Bush completely ignored domestic social issues.
Now, you want to apologize for being such a pretentious assumer, or jut kneel before Zod which you soon will have to when I take over this world
May 17th, 2009 at 11:31 pmAaronQ of Maine Says:
But I hate to Burst your bobble head, but theres only like 20 people that posted on here, and so saying 99 to 1 is retarded.
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Heh… good one… and accurate.
Apart from being a banal hack, God appears to have problems w/ basic math too.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:31 pmOne more time, since you’re clearly afraid to answer the question…
When the GOOPers voted 176-0 against the stimulus package, were they guilty of groupthink too?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:32 pmDear God,
The only thing you make me wonder about is what kind of meds you are on. Or are you on street drugs? Crystal meth, crack, shrooms, LSD, etc.?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pmGod is a light bulb.
God is a hen.
God is a ballpoint pen.
A truly omnipotent being could tell us where this quote comes from.
Not so much for our resident “self-proclaimed” version, eh?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
dbadass Says:
Maybe we should sacrifice something to this silly god of ours….
Maybe, but given the quality of this god I don’t think it has to be spotless or perfect as prescribed. Got any aged produce?
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May 17th, 2009 at 11:36 pm.
. Why dont you just “sacrifice” me a pre-paid pizza on your dime.
Mushroom pepperoni with ext sauce
hormiga brava chavez Says:
Dear God,
The only thing you make me wonder about is what kind of meds you are on. Or are you on street drugs? Crystal meth, crack, shrooms, LSD, etc.?
I believe he drinks cough syrup.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pmI believe he drinks cough syrup.
Are kids still into Robo-trippin’?
I had no idea.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pmWhere have you been, hormiga? It’s high on cough syrup. In its brotha incarnations it brags about it.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:38 pmHey Oustanding,
I think cough syrup definitely fits this gawd-goon’s profile!
May 17th, 2009 at 11:39 pmWhat what! WHAT!! No Canadian Bacon??
May 17th, 2009 at 11:41 pmHeya wiley – it’s been really busy on the ant farm 2 day. I’ve been off and on though – checking in. (:
May 17th, 2009 at 11:42 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
Dear God,
The only thing you make me wonder about is what kind of meds you are on. Or are you on street drugs? Crystal meth, crack, shrooms, LSD, etc.?
I dont do any of that stuff, although if you look in the ancient texts, shrooms were the ‘manna’ that grew from the sky and helped start the jewish and christian faiths.
I thought that was pretty clever on my part.
Just cuz you dont understand or agree with someone, doesnt mean you have to attack, belittle or accuse them on being on drugs.
A reasoned argument with a skilled debator and I am quite educated. There are concepts you can learn for free rather than indoctrinated profressors who earn money for following the party line.
Think for yourself. its not an insult and I am not here to make you crazy.
How annoyed and could stand on a RIGHT WING WEBSITE?
You think I would last there? I might be banned before I just threw my hands up.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:42 pmAt least there are a few open minded people who dont yell obscnenities
I ordered a pizza for me and my kids tonight.
The damn thing was soggy and undercooked.
I threw it in the trash in the Name of God.
We ate garlic toast instead.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:44 pmI talked to Bill via google chat and he had a business that used DMX in cough syrup..didnt say he used it though,,hope that he is not.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:45 pmDear Gawd, sorry God, (:
May 17th, 2009 at 11:47 pmNo one’s yelling obscenities @ you. Relax, put that crack pipe down.
DNFP Says: I ordered a pizza for me and my kids tonight.
The damn thing was soggy and undercooked.
I usually just heat up the oven [350 or so] then thrown them on top of foil and out in for a while till the crust gets crispy
May 17th, 2009 at 11:48 pmDNFP Says:
I believe he drinks cough syrup.
Are kids still into Robo-trippin’?
I had no idea.
No, I dont robo-trip, not sure why you kids still use that phrase.
THe new phrase is ’skittling” coricidin cough and cold. Its 30mg per tablet
And its like LSD x 100 if you take enough of it. But alas, I am an empirical scientist. I dont do that either mainly b/c of the chlorphenirate maleate in it which can cause death and tonic-clonic seizures.
Although it is the best as far as if at some point in your life you wanted to think “outside the box” and not just zooeys box.
Your best bet would to take 700mg of robogels, unfortunately at 15mg per tablet, you are swallowing pills til liz cheney tips a cow over
Its funny b/c I dont do drugs, not even weed, but I love how just being a different thinker than you “in boxers” always have to throw that as if, some random anonymous drug insult bothers me *yawn*
May 17th, 2009 at 11:48 pmDo you have reason to believe that that was Bill’s business? At the time, it was claiming to be a heart surgeon.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:50 pmGod babbles:
“A reasoned argument with a skilled debator and I am quite educated. There are concepts you can learn for free rather than indoctrinated profressors who earn money for following the party line.
Think for yourself. its not an insult and I am not here to make you crazy.
How annoyed and could stand on a RIGHT WING WEBSITE?”
Do you ever reread before you post? You’re quite educated?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:51 pmThe only group think going on here is that you are retarded. You might get a kick out of thinking of a point before you babble on. Your sentences don’t make sense. You are a jerky loser for making us read that gibberish.
Xisithrus Says:
I talked to Bill via google chat and he had a business that used DMX in cough syrup..didnt say he used it though,,hope that he is not.
.
.
. If someone says DMX again “yall gonna make me lose my mind”
Well reference to an old rapper.
Dxm is harmless not dmx. The FDA shut down my DXM manufacturing facility thanks to Joe Biden, DIck Durbin and that absolute crook Feinstein. And some other asswipe!
SO yeah, not too fancy of Bush/Cheney for f*8king up this country, not too happy with the crooks on the other side either who absolutely just as bad.
DXM is legal btw and a multimillion dollar market. I dont do anything illegal.
And I had good time talking to the Xman. YOu guys all have to demonize me when, umm, obviously a guy named God is not a republican *I hope*
May 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pmGawd,
Your commentary is as interesting as Liz Cheney’s. *yawn*
May 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pmI can’t wait until the Bush Crime Family gets prosecuted!
The omnipotent one thinks cough medicine is like LSD.
Not very accurate info.
I know LSD, and you sir, are nowhere even close to commenting on things you’ve only “lived” by reading on the “internets”.
As a pot-smoker, I believe my fellow Progressives where insinuating your drug abuse in order to (hopefully) breach the opportunity party down with the Almighty!
BONG HITS FOR JESUS.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pmAaronQ of Maine Says:
God babbles:
“A reasoned argument with a skilled debator and I am quite educated. There are concepts you can learn for free rather than indoctrinated profressors who earn money for following the party line.
Think for yourself. its not an insult and I am not here to make you crazy.
How annoyed and could stand on a RIGHT WING WEBSITE?”
Do you ever reread before you post? You’re quite educated?
The only group think going on here is that you are retarded. You might get a kick out of thinking of a point before you babble on. Your sentences don’t make sense. You are a jerky loser for making us read that gibberish.
.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm.,
. Its entertainment and I am the most read and commented poster here.
You dont like it, then write your own gibberish posts and we’ll have a contest. And I dont nor ever have denied my posts are anything more than just brilliant Godspeak
DNFP Says:
The omnipotent one thinks cough medicine is like LSD.
Not very accurate info.
I know LSD, and you sir, are nowhere even close to commenting on things you’ve only “lived” by reading on the “internets”.
As a pot-smoker, I believe my fellow Progressives where insinuating your drug abuse in order to (hopefully) breach the opportunity party down with the Almighty!
BONG HITS FOR JESUS.
.
.Are you nuts? Even on Erowid its described at higher dosage as LSD x 100
I think are just a newbie.
And as for peole who think I am God and also a republican. Republicans believe they will burn in hell for using this handle.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:58 pmSo, perhaps just a clue. I am a little more progressive than you claim to be
Its funny b/c I dont do drugs, not even weed, but I love how just being a different thinker than you “in boxers”
Have you seen the little sphere of light about you yet?
May 17th, 2009 at 11:59 pm#189 Hormiga, I think God is crushing oxycontin and snorting them like his leader Limpdick.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:00 amgood belches:
“And I dont nor ever have denied my posts are anything more than just brilliant Godspeak”
Should sound like this:
I have never denied that my posts are brilliant God-speak.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:01 amDNFP, YES BONG HITS FOR JEEZIS!
GAWD – U NEED A HIT TOO! ONE TIME 4 DA LAWD AND DEM CHENEY’S
I SEE,
May 18th, 2009 at 12:04 amI SEE,
CHENEY GOING TO JAIL! PRAISE DE LAWD! LAWD MAKE A WAY! 4 DEM BUSHIES 2 GO 2 DE HAGUE! SAY AWOMEN AND AMEN!
god Says:
but I love how just being a different thinker than you “in boxers”
Does he also think differently than those “in briefs”?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:05 amXisithrus
I concur, actually even prefer day-old re-heated pizza (not as greasy), but the kids favorite place was closed tonite and I despise the stuff we ordered.
Besides, we needed an offering to our omnipotent friend anyway, so I was just killing two birds with one metaphor.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:07 amXisithrus Says:
Its funny b/c I dont do drugs, not even weed, but I love how just being a different thinker than you “in boxers”
Have you seen the little sphere of light about you yet?
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.Actually, well I dont do drugs anymore
I did do dxm, a dissaociative anesthetic in the same class as ketamine.
I did it for, well its blurry now. But nonstop for probably a year.
And I did have places I would have to stand b/c gold lights would shine down and I would see and hear messages from the Pantheon of which I was named a God.
Actually funny story.
I tried to hit all of my brain with all sorts of hallcinogens in Eugene Or. Kinda of a hippyvile Univ or Oregon college.
I took LSD, Tons of Dxm, my partner got me like an ounce of shrroms and laid them out and said. DO NOT DO MORE THAN THIS.
And I had maryjane.
So, lsd, dxm, i am nuts, I hate all of the shrooms. Then I thought I had this control I need to eat more of the shrroms. I was eating them. LIke really sh*TTy tasting dried cheetos lots of them. And smoke a bunch of weed.
I was so messed up. Everytime I’d open my eyes, a new reality. New surroundings. Then I’d lay there and the same circle of reality of infinity I’d just click through it. Same cable box.
THen, like a brilliant guy. I had to go on a mission.
I made it 2 blocks before, everytime I’d blink, new streets. I Sat in the dark car and said “OK I DID, I REALLY DID IT THIS TIME!” I cant come back from this. Grains of sands of all reality dropped to the floor of my vision.
THEN, the sun came up. It was the true God. And it beamed a gold sword of light and annointed me a God
No joke, it really happened. Plus all sorts of hallucinations and visual and audio stuff telling me. This is me, you are the one and stuff and I blew the “horn of Gideon” to bring about the end of the world. Sorry guys
May 18th, 2009 at 12:09 amGotta go. BUt way more to the trippy experiences
sscncturn64 Says:
I do agree. Oxy might be nfluencing Gawd’s psycho talk.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:10 amBrain damage can explain a lot of things.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:11 amIt looks like this particular “God” is one omnipotent dipsh*t.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:14 amCongratulations… f’up.
Shouldnt you burn the pizza?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:15 amUnlike the self-proclaimed omnipotent one, I dabbled in drugs during college, then graduated, from drugs too.
Just couldn’t let go of the THC.
Married, family, career, and I still smoke.
Guess I’m not as prone to wild addictions to multitudes of narcotics and detrimental long-term behavior as our “god-boy” here.
He sounds like a friggin basket case, which would explain the ongoing insane posts from “it”.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:16 am(see, the “good-cop” method of interrogation got our “god-boy” to dish his soul. no waterboarding necessary.)
May 18th, 2009 at 12:16 amWell, no, what I waa talking of requires no drugs William.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:18 amShouldnt you burn the pizza?
In this trolls case, limp, soggy and tossed in the trash seemed more apropos.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:18 amI think William may be having some marriage problems..
May 18th, 2009 at 12:20 amSo Liz decides to defend her father’s legacy. And what will history say? Her father was a scared, shameless coward. A man who instead of fighting for his country, got deferments. A man who hid from scruntiny his entire time as VP. And now is speaking his crap to save his butt. Well, what do you expect from a Republican?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:22 amHe went to bed. too bad, anyone seen right.nut.left.nut AKA B-somthing. He is a smart troll(relatively speaking.) Lets not talk about god or even God. anyone want to give out some ideas on how to save america from the viagra-talking red car-driving jay leno-types that have an agenda for all the poor people that they hate to see on their way to work for 45 minutes a day?(they work for 45 minutes, the drive is actually longer).
May 18th, 2009 at 12:24 amLora Says:
Game of Life,
Your first two sentences are very true. But you have the Cheney daughters mixed up. It is Mary, the younger one, who is a lesbian with a “wife” and child.
Thanks for the heads up. I didn’t know he had 3 screwed up daughters.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:30 amI thought this was God’s day of rest…
May 18th, 2009 at 12:42 amI see the brotha-nut excreted some more pearls of wisdom. This might be an unpopular statement but I’m kinda/a little bit glad he shows up. The more time he spends here the less time he’s unleashed on the public. My expertise lies in mycology (and pipe) not psychology but this cat is nuckin futz and maybe even dangerous.
DNFP if your still here…Sounds like we’re a lot alike. We’d probably get along very well in person. But we’d prolly have to agree to disagree on the car thing though. (I have my reasons)
May 18th, 2009 at 12:59 amDamn…an edit function would be nice. Typo’s blow!
your = you’re
May 18th, 2009 at 1:14 amThe kid is so devoid of experience and imagination that it cuts and pastes other people’s garbage more often than not. It’s probably giggling at all the attention it’s getting over whatever s*it it throws at the wall.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:29 amTo Game of Life,
May 18th, 2009 at 1:45 amI think Cheney has just two daughters: Liz, who helped him get at least one of his Vietnam deferments (for Lynne’s pregnancy) and is now defending him on TV, and Mary, the one with a female spouse and a baby boy.
If God had a name what would it be?
And would you call it to his face?
If you were faced with him in all his glory
what would you ask if you had just one question?
Yeah, Yeah, God is great
Yeah, Yeah, God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
If God had a face
What would it look like?
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and Jesus and the saints
and all the Prophets
Yeah Yeah God is great
Yeah Yeah God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Just trying to make his way home
Back up to Heaven all alone
Nobody callin’ on the phone
cept for the Pope maybe in Rome
Yeah Yeah God is great
Yeah Yeah God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:06 amJust a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Like a holly Rolling Stone
Back up to Heaven all alone
Just trying to make his way home
Nobody callin’ on the phone
‘cept for the Pope maybe in Rome
Lora Says:
To Game of Life,
I think Cheney has just two daughters: Liz, who helped him get at least one of his Vietnam deferments (for Lynne’s pregnancy) and is now defending him on TV, and Mary, the one with a female spouse and a baby boy.
Damn, I don’t know much about his family, until now. :)
Thanks again.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:19 amwhat is that jewel? or allis morriset? Dogma was a great movie. and if you don’t agree you should be water-boarded until you admit it.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:37 amTo Game of Life.
You’re welcome. And I can hardly blame you for not wanting to know much about this awful family.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:39 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
what is that jewel? or allis morriset?…..
The lyrics in # 235 are from the song “One Of Us” by JOAN OSBORNE, from the CD “Relish”.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:49 amPun aside, it’s great stuff.
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‘Morning campers. I found an interesting tidbit on Politico, in an article about the Left’s disillusionment with Obama:
The meeting came one day after the White House publicly expressed irritation at some lobbying—apparently that of gay, Latino and women’s activists publicly calling for a nominee from one or more of those groups. ““I don’t think that the lobbying of interest groups will help,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters Tuesday. “I think in many ways lobbying can – and will –be counterproductive.”
Most of the names floated in the press as possible replacements for Justice David Souter have been well received by liberal groups. However, Obama aides have repeatedly noted that some names under active consideration have not been aired publicly. Liberal activists chafed at a report in POLITICO last week that the White House is considering Jim Comey, a No. 2 official at the Bush Justice Department. Some Obama aides apparently think Comey would be a viable choice because he stood up to the White House over wiretapping and criticized what he saw as efforts to politicize the Justice Department.
“He was deputy attorney general serving in Bush’s administration. He came in with the Bushies. What makes you think he’d be just an inch or two more to the center than [Chief Justice] Roberts?” Brittain asked. “I’d be greatly disappointed.”
Although I was encouraged by Comey’s acts as #2 at Justice, the skillset needed to be a Supreme Court judge is greatly different, and anyone who still considers himself a republican after 8 years of Bush is an automatic disqualification for someone to replace Souter.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:27 amSo according to LIZ CHENEY, her father is the patriot general of the US; too bad he’s mistakenly understood by the entire planet to be the face of evil.
Good to know rotten fruit doesn’t fall far from that demonic tree.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:14 am‘What do I have wrong wayne. Obama broke his own campaign promise to end military tribunals, he decided not to release the interrogation photos both decisions made after Cheney started explaining how the real world works. Obama listened to Cheney and then followed thru.’
Obama listened to Cheney; right before Elvis and Hendrix disembarked from the alien Mothership and did ‘Rockahula Baby’from Blue Hawaii.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:21 amLefties are sure different from wingnuts.
If we were right-wingers, we would be responding to Ms. Cheney’s efforts to defend her father with a massive, well-funded and highly-coordinated campaign of personal attacks and scrofulous rumors about Ms. Cheney, her family, her friends, and her pets. That’s the winger way.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:25 am‘…decisions made after Cheney started explaining how the real world works.’
Riiiightttt; the way the US doesn’t torture, then does torture only because it works, and can prove it by declassifying documents they had classified in order to conclusively show that criminal behavior is not defined as breaking the law, because the White House gives it two thumbs up, so it must be legal.
Is that the way the ‘real’ world works? Or is it simply the way the GOP would have the rest of the world believe that’s how they should operate?
Linking Cheney to the ‘real’ world only proves how deluded you Bushbot apologists are; BushCo has NEVER accepted reality and never will.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:26 amLiz Cheney can make all the claims she wants, but the fact is, her father is a war criminal who created his own Shadow Government on the morning of 9/11, and who, since then, has profited by stealing America’s money through the storefront….the illegal occupation of Iraq! Where’s the $9 billion that went missing right off the bat and where’s all the antiquities that were stolen from the Iraqi museums? I bet your father has them all and sold some of the antiques to the CEO’s of America! Spit.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:29 amBut we’d prolly have to agree to disagree on the car thing though. (I have my reasons)
That’s cool, but maybe we share some common ground there as well. I’m actually a bit of a car “nut”, my 1974 BMW 2002tii being the funnest car I’ve owned, and selling my late fathers 1955 Mercedes 190SL Roadster my greatest regret. The 1936 Ford he and his brother raced in the Great American Race was another incredible car he owned. American cars really aren’t any better or worse than the foreign counterparts (especially now, since most “foriegn” ones are built in American factories – was this what we were discussing on previous thread?)
Years in a Honda Odyssey have me yearning for a late 60’s American “muscle” car, which, I can’t really afford.
IMO, cars are generally a burden and have carried society down a narrow, treacherous road (pun intended) with regard to the environment, economy, personal accountability and the general restructuring of society around the internal combustion engine).
I’m just thankful I no longer participate in the daily grind of commuting during rush-hour (too many angry, dangerous drivers during those hours, always made me depressed.)
May 18th, 2009 at 8:38 amGod Says:
…although if you look in the ancient texts, shrooms were the ‘manna’ that grew from the sky…
Ignoriong the rest of the innanities, “manna” is bug-poo, NOT mushrooms.
God, you’re an idjut.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:53 amjrfunkenstein Says:
right before Elvis and Hendrix disembarked from the alien Mothership and did ‘Rockahula Baby’from Blue Hawaii.
Elvis and Hendrix? I’m so there! How many space-bucks for a ticket?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:56 amDNFP Says:
IMO, cars are generally a burden and have carried society down a narrow, treacherous road (pun intended) with regard to the environment, economy, personal accountability and the general restructuring of society around the internal combustion engine).
Cars have made us a nomadic commuter society. Most people do not buy a home to dwell in for their entire lives, but actually buy a house and PLAN on selling it to move to another, etc. Probably part of the psychological problems society shares. (And I would tie-in to that the advantages that such a society offers big corporations….)
May 18th, 2009 at 9:02 amWho the hell give a rat’s ass what this Bimbo thinks.
She is a nobody.
Worse, she is the daughter of an evil fascist.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am“I’m just thankful I no longer participate in the daily grind of commuting during rush-hour (too many angry, dangerous drivers during those hours, always made me depressed.)”
Besides family, a few old friends, and maybe “big water” I miss NOTHING about Detroit. Near the top of the list was the daily traffic war.
“IMO, cars are generally a burden and have carried society down a narrow, treacherous road (pun intended) with regard to the environment, economy, personal accountability and the general restructuring of society around the internal combustion engine).”
Kinda agree. I have many Amish families near me. They get by just fine.
Never been into cars much except for an old 70 mustang (302 boss) I used to have.
Antique farm tractors rule my hobby world. I believe the Allis Chalmers Co. was the greatest American company that ever existed.
FYI- Their engineers built a hydrogen fuel cell tractor completed in 1959.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:17 ambarfly, I thought (and still think) JIm Comey would make an excellent Attorney General.
SC Justice is another matter. I don’t know anything about what he would bring to the Court as a jurist, but I do know two things: the Court is dangerously weighted to the Right, with four unwavering and relatively youthful hard right-wingers, and Obama cannot afford — the nation cannot afford — a stealth candidate with conservative cred. And two, Obama has little or no reason to cater to conservatives, with a nearly veto-proof majority in the Senate and a lot of political capital.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:48 amWhat gets me is that “Dizzy” kept referring to “daddy” as the Vice President. I didn’t know it was a lifetime job? The MSM has a real bad habit of doing that to “the formers” – calling them Senator, Ambassador or Madam Secretary. The Vice President is Joe Biden, not Dick Cheney. Carville eluded to that a time or two by referring to Cheney as the former vive president. But “Dizzy” kept on doing the same stupid thing. One would thing the little “Rhodes Scholar” would have corrected that – somehow.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:42 amCheney’s girl has spend some of her daddy’s blood money he got from Haliburton. Blood money got from Haliburton stock from Cheney’s pushing for a war against Iraq and his former company which he has stock in. His stock shot up when war was declared against Iraq. It’s nice to have a former CEO give you a hundred million dollar (if not billion) no bid contract. If these people were in China they would be shot.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:51 amPresident, Bush seems to have pre-approved pardons for every war criminal with a Republican party card. McClatchy’s Joe Galloway has the money quote:
When George W. Bush was the governor of Texas, the state investigated, indicted, convicted and sentenced to prison for 10 years a county sheriff who, with his deputies, had waterboarded a criminal suspect. That sheriff got no pardon from Gov. Bush.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:10 amThe conservatives have gone around the CIA for over 20 years when it didn’t give them the analysis they wanted.
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/04/team-b.html
May 19th, 2009 at 4:52 am