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“Daddy-O, you can parse it however you want.

“If America’s government ordered sodomizing of children in custody, the world will see us as a shell of our former moral self.”

Yes, it is parsing. But words mean something.

I really don’t think the world will see an entire country guilty where an elite illegal coup had taken place. Most of the rest of the world see Bush & CO as the criminals–not the entire nation. I’ll be a larger percentage of Europeans know how close the 2004 election was than percentage of Americans…because they’re paying attention.

Eh. Thanks for the replies, dude, and if we disagree, that’s cool with me.

“For proof, if we are not to blame why are we, as a nation, debating whether or not torture is acceptable?”

That proves nothing. We are debating this odious subject only because sadists governed us for eight long years.

There was NOTHING you or I could have done to stop Bush. Not a d*mn thing, man. He stole and murdered and lied his way through history–and was asleep at the wheel the entire time. That’s quite an accomplishment, when you think about it.

No. If we’re guilty, then why aren’t we in jail? If I were guilty like these evil souls, I don’t think I could live with myself. And some folks, like one of the air traffic controllers who made a mistake on 9-11, go ahead and end their lives over it.

No. It’s a matter of sloppy writing, using the royal ‘we’ instead of keeping the focus on the actual criminals. Sloppy writing, not mass guilt.

YOU are a waste of time and stupid too

Change the subject much after you’ve had your ass handed to ya? ROFL! ;)
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Since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem…

What did that have to do w/ the topic of the thread?

What VALID, meaningful point did you fantasize you were making?

Going back, oh, 15 YEARS to flog a dead horse, or in this case, a dead lawyer?

Oh… I know… it was a Clinton Did It Too™ moment!!!

You look so stylish in that tin-foil hat.

The DoJ is not obligated to the White House…
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I hear you. It is just hard to believe, especially in light of the 20 years, that a truly independent investigation will be allowed.

How’s that boot leather taste?
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I dunno… how’s this shoe taste?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Foster

Vincent Walker Foster, Jr. (January 15, 1945 – July 20, 1993) was a Deputy White House Counsel during the first term of President Bill Clinton, and also a law partner and friend of Hillary Rodham Clinton. His death was ruled a suicide by multiple official investigations, but remains a subject of interest among conspiracy theorists.
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There have been three official investigations into Foster’s death, all of which concluded that he committed suicide.[17]

The first was by the United States Park Police in 1993, in whose jurisdiction the original investigation fell. Due to Foster’s position in the White House, the Federal Bureau of Investigation assisted in the investigation. Investigations by a coroner and Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, in a 58-page report released in 1994, also concluded that Foster had committed suicide.[12]

Conspiracy theories of a cover-up still persisted. After a three-year investigation, Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr[18][19] released a report in 1997 also concluding that the death was a suicide.[12]
In addition, two investigations by the U.S. Congress found that Foster committed suicide.[12]

I see you’re wearing your tin-foil hat today…

And just out of curiosity, what would any of that have to do w/ BotchCo’s torture schemes? Smoke screen much?

DoJ
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I wasn’t trying to be snarky, BTW. Just curious as to what the proper approach would be.

Can Holder make this decision on his own?

And since the DoJ is part of the Admin, how can he be free from WH pressure?

The law firm employee who testified [... blah blah blah... woof woof woof... yadda yadda yadda ...] he had already heard of the appointment of Robert B. Fiske Jr. as special counsel.
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When posting like that, it’s considered good manners to CITE YOUR SOURCE. Fortuantely, one can easily find it w/ GOOGLE.

And in this case, clearly, you got that quote from…

***Drum roll***

That notorious, drug-addled gasbag, Rush Limbaugh!!!
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http://curmudgeonlyskeptical.is-a-chef.net/2007/6/clinton-abzug-and-schroeder/

Here are 9 minutes from Rush’s March 9, 1994
show. The news back then revolved around Robert Fisk’s
appointment as Special Whitewater prosecutor, and revelations that a
Rose law employee … well here:
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No wonder you didn’t cite your source. You would have been laughed out of here instantly.

So much for all that religious BS and scriptures Rumsfeld?! Evil done in the name of Gawd is A-OK!