Montana town requests that U.S. government send 100 Gitmo detainees to its prison.
Montana town requests that U.S. government send 100 Gitmo detainees to its prison.
A frequent attack on the closure of Guantanamo is the claim that no one in the U.S. wants detainees housed in their backyard. Last Sunday, Dick Cheney remarked, “I don’t know a single congressional district in this country that is going to say, gee, great, they’re sending us 20 Al Qaida terrorists.” But Al Jazeera’s Rob Reynolds reports that the town of Hardin, MT requesting that 100 detainees be sent to its empty prison:
Earlier this month, Hardin’s town council voted unanimously to offer the US government a deal: Send Hardin the detainees that most foreign countries and other cities the US are afraid to take.
“Why not us?” [Greg Smith, Hardin's economic development director] asks. “They’ve got to go somewhere.” He dismisses security concerns over housing inmates former Bush administration officials famously described as “the worst of the worst”. “We have some very hardened criminals in our own country that have committed some heinous crimes, and they are in communities all across this country,” Smith argues. [...]
He estimates at least 100 new jobs would come from filling the prison, a real boost to this small, beleaguered community. Smith describes the town’s quest to become a new penal colony as “a piece of the American dream.” “Like anything in America, we’re looking for opportunities,” he says.
Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) has said that detainees could be tried in his Alexandria, VA district. Last month, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) asked Attorney General Holder, “Do you know of any community in the US that would welcome terrorists, would be terrorists, former terrorists incarcerated in Guantanamo?”
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May 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pmOr is we isn’t
Gonna get ourselves a prison?”
Proof that not everyone is stupid and reactionary.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pmAl Jazeera’s Rob Reynolds reports that the town of Hardin, MT requesting that 100 detainees be sent to its empty prison
– - Well duh, where else would you send these Hardin-ed criminals?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pmWow! Now that’s impressive *shocking look*, *jaw drop*
May 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThey can work on the dental floss ranch….
May 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pmBadmoodman Says:
- – Well duh, where else would you send these Hardin-ed criminals?
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Heh… good one…
May 18th, 2009 at 8:43 pmdbadass Says:
They can work on the dental floss ranch….
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And wear Sears ponchos…
May 18th, 2009 at 8:44 pmPlease show us Cheney’s face when he reads about this offer from Montana. You know, the same Cheney who’s trying to scare the crap out of ordinary citizens, telling them to shutter the windows and nail the doors closed if those folks ever set foot on-shore.
Way to go Montana! Who says the American belief in making opportunity work for you, and it’s belief in capitalism and turning lemons into lemonade ain’t still alive and kickin’.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:45 pmI don’t like conservatives, but, I do care about their health. Is it possible to get athlete’s foot in your mouth?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThat’s a fabulous idea. Let some of the detainees go there. Opening the prison would create jobs and inject cash into the local economy. Alot of good can happen when folks stop being paranoid.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:53 pmAnd why not? A well run prison is a well run prison regardless of where it’s located.
San Quentin sits on a site in Marin County, CA that would be worth millions (billions?) to a developer and houses some of the worst of the worst.
First Iowa legalizes gay marriage and now Montana is willing to take nearly half of the remaining Gitmo detainees. They’re closing in on you, Cheney! Time to dust off the duct tape and plastic sheeting scare campaign again!
PEACE
May 18th, 2009 at 8:53 pmShucks they can send me one for my backyard – the grass hasn’t been cut since last year! ROTFL!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pmLast month, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) asked Attorney General Holder, “Do you know of any community in the US that would welcome terrorists, would be terrorists, former terrorists incarcerated in Guantanamo?”
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I dunno, Richard… perhaps you’re unaware that we’ve been holding convicted terrorists in US prisons for years, including Omar Abdel-Rahman, Wadih el-Hage, Zacarias Moussaoui, Ramzi Yousef, and Mahmud Abouhalima at a Federal “supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, USA. It is unofficially known as ADX Florence, Florence ADMAX, Supermax, or The Alcatraz of the Rockies.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence#Notable_inmates
Strangely enough, Andy Fastow, of Enron fame, is also in Florence, but in an adjoined low security lock-up.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pmDetainees in Montana, war criminals in Wyoming; Maybe Osama’s hiding in the Bad Lands…
May 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pmbarfly Says:
Osama’s in Texas with the Bushes. ROTFL!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:56 pmHow many federal dollars will be allocated to supporting the incarceration of these “inmates”.
These people need to be “Tried” and “Convicted”(or found innocent) FIRST!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:57 pmWho will pay for their flights to this great shining city on a hill? Our grandchildren?
/snark
May 18th, 2009 at 8:59 pmWhere was McVeigh held until he was executed? Oops, my bad. He wasn’t a scary brown person.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:00 pmNice offer but that would mean we would have to provide due process of law as Hardin is on United States soil. God forbid we provide some semblance of justice. Gauntanamo, like many of the Bush administration policies, was designed to circumvent our constitution.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pmThere is a Lutheran, a methodist, and a congregational church in Hardin. Not much for restaurants either…
May 18th, 2009 at 9:08 pmWhere did you hear that stuff about Montana? Torture doesn’t work so I suppose it doesn’t really matter what you may or may not have heard. I heard those freeman were terrorist pretending to be freedom fighters…
May 18th, 2009 at 9:13 pmHow bout they stay at your house until then?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pm—
I’d enjoy hosting the Uighurs…
Racist, much?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:16 pm—
No. You?
If bringing the detainees to Hardin means they’d recieve proper legal representation then GOOD. I would like to see the detainees moved to a safer environment where they can receive a fair trial. Now if Cheney and other GOPers would STFU and stop trying to scare the heck out of people we could move forward.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pmPut them in a cell with Adkisson
May 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pmOS spews; coward
Projectionist = YOU
pathetic
May 18th, 2009 at 9:20 pmOS Says:
You’re a paranoid fool. Prisons aren’t built in anyone’s backyard or in residential areas. No wonder the GOP is going down with stupid folks like you in it. Gotdamnwingnuts!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:21 pmWow first Iowa and their votes for Obama now Montana. These states are very progressive. All right USA!
Montana makes more sense than what the teabaggers are crying about. There are worst people than terrorist.
Now buckshot what does your little family think of that?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:21 pmHe wasn’t a scary brown person.
Racist, much?
Hmm, I guess the post was over your head. No amount of explanation will help you understand. It is the way neocons are wired.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pmOS, how many enemy combatants have escaped from Gitmo?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pmPut them in a cell with Adkisson
– - Yeah, with Adkisson!
Ummmm….who?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pmAdkisson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting
May 18th, 2009 at 9:24 pmLooks like OSs’ drugs wore off … ORDERLY!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm*hugs the town of Hardin, Montana* Thank you so, so much for not being idiotic about the detainee situation.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:28 pmSure. Send the detainees there.
And start with Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rove and Rice.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:29 pmI heard Crawford, TX is accepts serial killers in their county.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:32 pmOS Says:
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Ya know… I don’t think this one is political in the least.
I think he just gets a pleasant throbbing sensation in his trousers from coming here and annoying people.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:33 pmThis is true patriotism.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:34 pmEmpathist.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:36 pm/snark
Being jobless and homeless in the U.S.—the very real prospect of it, even— is much more frightening than imprisoned “terrorists”.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pmI bet Vanguard would love to profit off such prisoners..make their stocks go up.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:39 pmBadmoodman Says:
- – Yeah, with Adkisson!
Ummmm….who?
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Perhaps someone was referring to this Adkisson:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/jim-d-adkisson-charged-in_n_115281.html
Jim D. Adkisson Charged In Tennessee Church Shooting That Killed 2
May 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pmWhy Gitmo detainees could make millions for (R) Arnolds CEO Group!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pmI don’t know why some Americans (mainly conservatives) are so paranoid. If the detainees are in U.S. custody there’s nothing to worry about.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:50 pmXisithrus Says:
Why Gitmo detainees could make millions for (R) Arnolds CEO Group!
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CEO is actually a publicly traded company w/ its headquarters in Florida.
California is hurting badly.
GOOPERs in the state are mad as Hell at Arnold and there’s been talk of a recall.
Arnold, in turn, is rumored to be thinking of leaving the GOOP.
Things are BAD out here.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:56 pmDevil’s advocate.
This sounds good. But, if they come to the U.S. and are tried and acquitted due to a lack of evidence, are the people of Hardin okay with the acquitted being freed on their streets? And what guarantee do other communities have that those released won’t migrate outside Hardin; to other cities?
Acquitting someone for a lack of evidence does not prove they aren’t what they are accused of being. It only indicates there is a lack of evidence.
The detainees deserve a trial. They should not be held indefinitely without one. While Hardin’s solution initially seems appealing, there would still be open questions.
While maintaining Gitmo has negative stigma for the U.S., the detainees are secure there, they are under the control of the military commanded by President Obama.
Why not work to give them a speedy trial while they are at Gitmo and then determine where they should go after they have been tried? (whether they are to be released or remain incarcerated).
May 18th, 2009 at 9:57 pmOS what’s with you and the “much” phrases? Is that your idea of wit? FAIL.
I’m glad Montana has volunteered to take in these detainees. Now I hope they get fair trials.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:57 pmOS
Just go kill yourself you are too stupid to live and you are sucking up more air than your worthless subhuman moron brain deserves
May 18th, 2009 at 10:04 pmBut Al Jazeera’s Rob Reynolds reports …
i posted some of the report about this from TIME, last friday’s FAST thread…
seems strange not many are reporting this news…
i also wonder why more prison workers aren’t vocally offended by the insinuation that they aren’t capable at their jobs…
May 18th, 2009 at 10:05 pmOS
My GOD you are stupid. Do we put up ACCUSED murderers in peoples houses? Would anyone want that? Is anyone not as stupid as YOU claiming this is a reason we shouldnt give accused murderers trials? Just go kill yourself. You are too stupid to live and some woman might accidentally get drunk enough to allow you to pollute our gene pool
May 18th, 2009 at 10:07 pmbackup Says:
But, if they come to the U.S. and are tried and acquitted due to a lack of evidence, are the people of Hardin okay with the acquitted being freed on their streets? And what guarantee do other communities have that those released won’t migrate outside Hardin; to other cities?
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This is silly… your typical straw man, b-cup.
Whoever said anything once about turning them loose on American streets?
Only you… and right wing fear mongers…
Considering how badly the Bush Admin handled this situation right from the start, the current people in charge have been handed an almost impossible mess to untangle.
As for a speedy trial at Gitmo, gee… I thought the Obama Admin had decided to kick start the military tribunals, w/ fairer rules… just BASIC stuff… like no more “secret, secret evidence so dangerous no one is even allowed to see it, BUT… it can be used to convict someone.”
May 18th, 2009 at 10:08 pmkdgamergirl
Nah he knows he is too stupid for wit much less actual discussion he is going for annoying punkass troll
May 18th, 2009 at 10:12 pmyeah I have to second that Eugene =/
May 18th, 2009 at 10:13 pmbackup Says:
Devil’s advocate.
This sounds good. But, if they come to the U.S. and are tried and acquitted due to a lack of evidence, are the people of Hardin okay with the acquitted being freed on their streets? And what guarantee do other communities have that those released won’t migrate outside Hardin; to other cities?
Well, guy who speaks against the nominee for Pope, that is rather silly. I think you have been getting your arguments from ill-informed sources. If they are American citizens, and they are tried, and they are acquitted, they will be released into American communities. I do not believe there are many of those. If they are foreign-born, and they are tried, and they are acquitted, they will be deported to their home countries, but remain in custody until then. No matter what you have heard, they will not be released into American communities. The people you hear saying that are badly misinformed, at the least, and totally freakin’ lying, at the worst.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:18 pmYeah, I guess OS told us. Now we have to slink back to the big tent at redstate.org.
(OS probably won’t get that one either)
May 18th, 2009 at 10:19 pmbackup Says:
I respect your point of view but it still smacks of paranoia or a case of the “what ifs…?”
May 18th, 2009 at 10:19 pmWhy does the media repeat such obvious cow plop..because they want to.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:30 pmI wouldn’t call Montana “progressive”…but they’re definitely pragmatic. Prisons are a great source of revenue for sparsely populated/economically depressed areas. More power to the Mayor of Hardin.
Just to stir up debate:
What happens when the trial against Khalid Mohammed et.al. reopens? We must balance the need for a fair and just trial against the possibility that any possible evidence/confessions gained during the 183 waterboarding sessions could be thrown out. Granted, there’s likely a wealth of other evidence against a psychopath like Mohammed that could be unearthed, but where would Mohammed et.al. be sent if a mistrial is declared?
It’s not like Steve King’s “al-Qaeda on welfare” scenario is going to happen, but we can’t keep them in permanent extra-judicial detention, we sure as hell can’t deport them back to their homelands, and there isn’t a country on earth that’d willingly let them live free.
Like I said, just want to stir up some intelligent debate.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:30 pmYes. But recall that the GnOPers wanted privatization, that business can do everything better, cheaper.
Suddenly thats all changed. The detainees have laser beam eyes, can bend 2″ steel bars with their minds, can leap over tall buildings with a single prayer.
I call BS. This is just more fear mongering and the dupes fall for it again.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:33 pmThese GnOPers know that a detainee is no more dangerous than McVeigh who did not manage to break out of some Oklahoma jail.
They are using Charles Manson as a comparison. FEAR FEAR!! Manson has been in quite a few prisons over the years and has not escaped but fear him anyway.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:36 pmXisithrus Says:
CEO is actually a publicly traded company w/ its headquarters in Florida.
Yes. But recall that the GnOPers wanted privatization, that business can do everything better, cheaper.
They do always say that, but if they really believe it, then why do the Republicans like to give out no-bid, cost-plus contracts?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:38 pmOS Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
After the above comment, I don’t think I’d be throwing stones from that glass house.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:46 pmEugeneDebs, I didn’t know you hated hard cores. What’s up with that?
(That’s called being sardonic OS. Figured you would need the help in understanding the post.)
May 18th, 2009 at 10:46 pmEugeneDebs Says:
OS
My GOD you are stupid.
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OS Says:
Coming from a hard core hater like yourself, I’ll take that as a compliment. ;)
May 18th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I’m not a hard core hater, and I think you’re stupid, too.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:47 pmOT, LiberalVoter, thanks for your kind words. I left a response.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:50 pmI agree with Wayne.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:51 pmBingo.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:51 pmbackup – what do you expect those acquitted while in gitmo will do after?
walk around the island of cuba the rest of their days?
what do you THINK will happen? … they’ll go back home, i’d think…
you know, to join a terrist group…
‘CAUSE THEY’RE PISSED OFF ABOUT BEING LOCKED UP UNJUSTLY.
… grrr.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:51 pmHey, I like this bandwagon. I’m with Wayne and Ralph. And I would like to add ignorant to the list for OS if that is OK?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:52 pmWilliam [BrothaBill] have you changed your moniker again?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pmI third that motion – anyone for a 4th?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pmLiberalVoter, I think your suggestion is perfectly appropriate.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pm4TH
May 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pmWe have a 4TH on the floor for “OS” being stupid. Added to that measure, we have an ammendment on the floor for one ignorant.
We need a 5TH to pass the measure.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:58 pmI’m in…5th!
May 18th, 2009 at 10:59 pmCFP, Baucus is an a$$. Who cares what he says other than YOU in order to try and prove your stupidity here.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:00 pmWe have a 5TH on the floor for “OS” being stupid AND ignorant. The measure has passed and now written into TP LAW!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:02 pmUhoh, I believe we have made CFP jealous by passing the OS law.
And, CFP, do you feel the town council was voted in by the people of the town? Did the people vote for them because the council members did not represent their wishes? When does the recall start?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:14 pmThere are already terrorist locked up in the states.
The Federal prison SuperMax in Florence, Colorado has a few, Zacarias Moussaoui, Theodore Kaczynski, Terry Nichols, Richard Reid, and Ramzi Yousef, the leader of the first World Trade Center attack in 1993.
Close Gitmo now. We’ve got rooms for them in Colorado.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:16 pmDarn I wanted to be the 5th ROTFL!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:19 pmCFP, did you actually read the article? Six people were mentioned as being against it (the three congressional types and three people interviewed). That does not sound like a good sample of the people of Hardin.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:21 pmCFP: The Governor will come around if he wants to get re-elected.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:22 pmCFP #83, FEAR works well for the small minded Neoconservative followers, doesn’t it? You’re living proof of this. I live 60 miles away from a prison and I won’t be running around like a scared little brat about it. Bring em’ on!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:24 pmCFP did you read the article?
It says:
Many local taxpayers are livid at Hardin officials
And
George Lammers, noting the drastic difference between subtropical, humid Gitmo and dry, wintry Hardin, says, “This place would be torture for some of those boys.” But, he allows, “I think it would be great for all the law enforcement people to be here. It would help our housing market
May 18th, 2009 at 11:24 pmhormiga brava chavez – You can be 6th. In OUR world, we can keep voting ;)
May 18th, 2009 at 11:25 pmAnyone want to draft “ConservativeForProgress HR-1001″ for consideration on the floor?
I’ll sponsor it.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:27 pmHey rightwing-leftwing,
Yeah – LOL
May 18th, 2009 at 11:32 pmI’ll be 6th.
ConservativeForProgress HR-1001:
1) Ignore facts.
2) Twist the facts for personal use.
3) Use articles but, don’t read them fully.
4) Use FEAR to propagate lies
Any other suggestions for this legislation before it’s put to a vote on the floor?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:36 pmOT but is anyone watching The Colbert Report? He’s talking about this subject now – LOL
May 18th, 2009 at 11:37 pmXisithrus, It says they were livid because the prison was built without having any inmates to fill it, not that Gitmo types would be housed there.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:40 pmI move that ConservativeForProgress be declared the official TP oxymoron. Discussion shall incude an expert on oxy (Rush) and moron (Bush). May I have a 2nd?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:41 pmI 2nd that motion Outstanding!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:45 pm3RD for ConservativeForProgress be declared the official TP oxymoron!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:46 pmCan I be 7th and 4th? :)
May 18th, 2009 at 11:49 pmWe have a 5TH and 7TH on the floor. The resolution is passed and now TP LAW.
ConservativeForProgress has been declared the official TP oxymoron.
Next order of business……
Proud anyone?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:52 pmHey Keith yes! LOL
May 18th, 2009 at 11:52 pmIn California it is said that each prioner costs $35-40,000 per year and that guards make about $70,000 per year with a little overtime (they got a powerful union). Ahnuld is trying to sell San Quinten and we are sending some prisoners to Arizona.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:53 pmWow – the “prison business” sounds lucrative. Well – spread the wealth to Montana.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:56 pmWhat number are we up to on CFP?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:57 pmoh my gad!
megan is “pro-sex”!
“oh my gad! ( did i just say that?! twice…? )”
yeesh… the girl’s gonna be a star…
May 18th, 2009 at 11:58 pmshit – i left out ‘mccain’
megan mccaine is “pro-sex… oh my gad!”
May 19th, 2009 at 12:00 amrightwing-leftwing Says:
Proud anyone?
I don’t know, he seems so sincere and so clueless it might be cruel to elect him to a position beyond his capabilities. Do we need a mascot?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:00 amheh…
and i was worried about interupting something…
May 19th, 2009 at 12:02 amkaty Says:
megan mccaine is “pro-sex… oh my gad!”
I always assumed everyone was pro-sex. What am I missing here?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:02 amhormiga brava chavez Says:
Wow – the “prison business” sounds lucrative
Yeah, but we can’t afford schools any more. “Three strikes and you’re out” has really boosted the prison population.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:03 amHey Jane – we’re up to 7th.
Katy – I said ohmygawd – Meghan McCain is PROSEX!? WTF?!That’s some new shyte? Prosex?!
Keith – it’s sad! If more money were invested in schools/education the prison pop. wouldn’t be so high. Three strikes doesn’t make it any better. There’s gotta be a better way.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:07 amIn hard times these people will do just about anything for jobs. Let the hard times end and see how fast they will want to unload them. Give the prisoner from Gitmo the chance to throw shit at them literally and try to kill them. God forbid that they are attacked by radical Islam from within the borders of the United States.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:08 amIt was just the other day that Mexicans posed as cops an released into Mexico some very 50 bad people South of the Border. Have these people lost their ever loving mind. I can just see escape happening and these butchers able to get into peoples homes an assaulting the children of this community. They the Gitmo prisoners have nothing to lose by beheading them. These people will of course be lied to into thinking this could never occur. Until it happens and then God forbid the horror released on them.
These people are worse then killers in the United States prisons. They are fanatical people that want to die for Allah. Are you really prepared to put your families at risk for 100 job?
They should be held by the military that are trained to handle them correctly. I can see the press release that prisoner were mistreated by local guards. Now that is very possible for it happens in our prisons all the time.
Get real Montana the rest of your state will not agree with you jobs induced comma reality.
stormn00007 is back spewing gibberish… sorry homey but you don’t make any sense at all.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:15 amstormn00007 Says:
These people are worse then killers in the United States prisons. They are fanatical people that want to die for Allah. Are you really prepared to put your families at risk for 100 job?
Sure, why not? We’ve got young men and women in Afghanistan putting their lives at risk for little more than a minimal paycheck and the hope that they are helping their country.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:16 amstormn00007 says: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Are ya scared yet? He can say it again you know?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:17 amWe seem to be running out of positions for our trolls. stormy just may be flat out of luck.
Shoulda got here earlier, stormy ol’ boy.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:20 amHi, hbchavez! I’m glad you guys didn’t close the voting.
Good evening, stormn, I see you’re back with your usual cheerful viewpoint.
I’d love to stay, but I really have to try to get to work on time one of these days, and I never will if I stay up chatting. Goodnight, all.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:22 amDoes stormy think these terror suspects have super powers or something?
Does he think they’re, like, shapeshifters or somethng? Or they can dissolve prison walls with their own blood?
What pu$$y our stormy is.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:23 amHow long would it take a “master mind” Al Qaida terrorist to out smart a Montana hillbilly? They would be walking the streets of Dodge City Kansas with a pair of 6 shooters in 2 days. You people are CRAZY!
May 19th, 2009 at 12:24 amralph the wonder locust Says:
We seem to be running out of positions for our trolls.
We can’t elect him Sargeant at Arms as he seens to be scared out of his wits, what with the terrorists getting into our homes and all.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:24 amExactly right, fellow locust.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:24 amAll you have to fear is fear itself Stormn.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:25 amRemember when the Stormns of the USA thought that some flying sheep was gonna land on their roof, like Santas reindeer, and infect them with anthrax..epic times
May 19th, 2009 at 12:28 amFrom the article: Congress is considering a measure that would bar detainees from being brought to US soil, while at a recent senate hearing, lawmakers seemed scared that detainees might run wild, terrorising the countryside.
They do understand that a prison is different from a college frat house, right?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:29 amMay 19th, 2009 at 12:30 am
ralph the wonder locust Says:
They do understand that a prison is different from a college frat house, right?
Perhaps not, locust master. They have only the frat house experience to go by, other than the brief detentions on DUI charges.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:34 amObviously Stupid has finally lost it.
Not that ever had it, but whatever it was he had, is gone. Poor li’l feller.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:34 amOh….oh……and then what would happen if Montana hillbilly was cleaning his gun one day and accidentally shot an Al Qaida guy……Missoula would not be safe to live in again.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:37 amYou do know that Cheney owns stock in Vanguard a private company that operates federal detention centers? See, prisons are for profit, just not yours.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:39 amOkay, OS, seems you been googling about, how much does it cost to keep a prisoner in Gitmo a year?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:40 amAs long as these terrorists can’t score dynamite in prison, they should be containable.
These detainees don’t seem to be big guys and most of them have been on hunger strikes. They’ve been repeatedly beat down at Gitmo and there have been many suicide attempts.
Yes, just don’t give them bombs or aeroplanes and you should be okay.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:41 amOS & SlappyBastard,
Guns and crystalmeth are not a good combination. Give up both.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:41 amOS,
May 19th, 2009 at 12:43 amIt ain’t liberals that wanted “three strikes and you’re out”. It was conservatives. It ain’t liberal to have hundreds of thousands in prison for possession of drugs.
Ya and what if a Montana hillbilly forgot to keep an Idaho Neo-Nazi skin head out of the lunch room with an Al Qaida guy and they got together???????? Sorry about your luck and your lunch Al Qaida guy……. What would you type into an Obama TelePrompter?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:44 amOS Says:
How about right next to your daughter?
A perfect example of the looniness we are talking about. Thank you.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:45 amDrug addicts like Limbaugh, OS?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:47 amWell, if they hadnt of put them in a Naval facility we wouldnt be having this problem would we?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:47 amI don’t think anybody in Gitmo will be seeing “Big Sky” any time soon, thank you very much!
May 19th, 2009 at 12:47 amSlappy,
May 19th, 2009 at 12:47 amActually, until they are convicted, you probably should call him an ALLEGED al Qaeda guy.
OS Says:
DF, it’s liberals that defend the baby rapers, drug addicts, terrorists and murderers. Read, much?
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Talk about silly… does it give you a pleasant tingling sensation in your trousers to come here and be annoying?
Because that certainly isn’t a serious comment about politics.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:48 amSlappy – dude you need an intervention. What in heck are you talking about? Don’t bother trying to explain – I already know what your problem is.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:48 amOS Says:
how much does it cost to keep a prisoner in Gitmo a year?
50 cents is too much….
Dunno, does KBR have the contract? I bet Hardin can underbid them, but the electrocution showers used in Iraq will have to be an out of scope contract add-on.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:49 amI don’t think anybody in Gitmo will be seeing “Big Sky” any time soon, thank you very much!
But but but they are getting gulf breezes and we cant have that!!
May 19th, 2009 at 12:49 amWait. You just thanked the liberals for putting people in prison that is costing 30-40k a year. Do you read your own hypocrisy? BTW How is Adkisson and Limbaugh doing?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:51 amOS,
May 19th, 2009 at 12:51 amIn reality, it was Reagan, GHW Bush, the CIA, North, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan that strongly supported the fanaticcal Islamists. It was liberals like John Kerry who strongly opposed it. Saddam also opposed them, which is why he was their hated enemy.
Republican [FOX] news producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges of possessing child pornography.
Republican activist and former presidential campaign chairman Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges of sexually molesting a 5-year old boy.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:54 amOS,
Reagan strongly and illegally supported some terrorists and drug runners who killed a bishop and raped and killed nuns—plus about 70,000 Christian civilians.
Care to link to a liberal defending baby rapers and murderers?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:55 amOS,
May 19th, 2009 at 12:56 amDoes Rush illegally taking 30 oxycontin per day come under your definition of drug addict? Everyone know Bush did cocaine a lot when he should have been in Nam.
BrothaBill, I thought you were going to stop such outlandish antics?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:59 amOS,
May 19th, 2009 at 12:59 amtell me what you think is a lie. It’s all true. You just read a select history.
..OS,
Reagan strongly and illegally supported some terrorists and drug runners who killed a bishop and raped and killed nuns—plus about 70,000 Christian civilians.
And he called them “the moral equivalant of our founding fathers”. Ollie North’s diary said the Contras were bringing tons of cocaine into the US!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:06 amYour banality bores me infinitely
May 19th, 2009 at 1:16 amPathetic
May 19th, 2009 at 1:18 amA blast from the past:
Wooooohoooooo. I fall out of my chair everytime I read that!!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:21 amHey, OS, wasnt that some funny stuff I posted at 1:21 am?
May 19th, 2009 at 1:23 amFox News Producer Busted for Child Porn Starred in Soft-core Himself
May 19th, 2009 at 1:27 am2/23/09 at 4:40
It seems Aaron Bruns, the former Fox News political producer who was busted for possessing and distributing child pornography, had a side gig.
So far, we have the following TP LAWS in place:
OS – been declared stupid AND ignorant
CFP – been declared the official TP oxymoron
It has come to the special house committees’ attention that we need more TP LAWS.
HR1002: stormn00007 – FEAR Monger chickenhawk extraordinaire
HR1003: SlappyBastinado – DUM DASS propagator
We need a second on these motions to put these resolutions into TP LAW.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:40 amAron Bruns starred in soft core porn
Brain bleach with a high speed sanding disc STAT!!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:45 amDont Drill Baby! Dont Drill!!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:46 am
Okay, I read all the posts. and one poster seems to stand out. OS has posted more than anyone else. He (or she or unich) seems to not make any points. He just asks Lame rhetorical questions. A dumb troll for sure. every night I come here the trolls just keep getting dumber and dumber. I would really like to see an argument. Its like everyone is playing chess while one person is playing checkers. I say everyone Ignore OS starting… Now!
Anyone know why Obama hasn’t had any press conferences in a while? He’s watching the play-offs. My personal opinion about sport is that they are fine for casual enjoyment, but People take their team loyalty WAY too far. People that dress up or actually get mad at other teams really has to get a life. Sport have become a national distraction. and I think Nascar is not a sport. because no Nascar driver takes roids. which is a prerequisite of being a sportsman.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:46 am.
But, but, but…
… I thought the US Justice system was incapable of applying itself because I keep hearing elected Officials, who swore an Oath of Office to support and defend the Constitution of the USA without ANY mental reservations OR a purpose of evasion, telling us that we can not try them in a US court of Law for some gawd ugly reason.
And, and, and…
… Does this mean that the high level security prison system we have in America IS capable of handling not only US criminals but also high level foreign nationals? Who’da thunk it?
I guess I can come out of my bunker then…
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May 19th, 2009 at 1:47 amrightwing-leftwing,
What’s an Oxymoron…
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… Someone stupid enough to be (R)ushpublickin’ the Oxy sweat from Limpballs?
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May 19th, 2009 at 1:52 amConservativeForProgress Says:
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Just 36% now agree with the president’s decision to close the prison camp for suspected terrorists at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba. Forty-six percent (46%) oppose closing the prison camp, and 18% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/75_oppose_release_of_guantanamo_inmates_in_the_united_states
That poll is from April 1, 2009. I have to say I laughed at the first question:
It’s like the blind leading the blind.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:56 am#179, My appetite is ruined now – ilk!
Did anyone catch Keith O. tonight? He had the Bill-O privacy Center spot and mentioned TP!
WOOO HOOOO!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:57 amWho is “Keith O”?
May 19th, 2009 at 2:01 amMontana huh. Well Thats fine with me. As long as these people are “on their way” to trial they can come into america. Even if thats a long road. If eventually found innocent they can be sent back to um, pakistan and I’m sure the pakis’ll be happy to murder them the second they step off the boat.
I wish they was a betting pool to predict the next school shooting. When I was in middle school circa about 1994, a kid brought a shotgun to school. He even hip-fired it into the air. The field hockey field was filled with kids running away, ah the good ol’ days. It was fondly remembered as the great fence jump.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:07 amLast month, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) asked Attorney General Holder, “Do you know of any community in the US that would welcome terrorists, would be terrorists, former terrorists incarcerated in Guantanamo?”
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Senator Shelby might as well ask the residents of any community which houses a supermax prison facility how they feel about having some of the country’s most violent, most hardened, and most remorseless criminals nearby. I doubt that most of them are exactly thrilled…
May 19th, 2009 at 2:08 amKeith Olbermann Mrs Slappy – MSNBC.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:31 am#184
We have a prison 60 miles south of us. I live in an area with homes ranging from 350,000 to 10 Million (and up). No one seems to be afraid around here about that.
The psychology behind this whole GITMO thing is really stupid in my opinion.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:36 ambackup stop guzzling the stupid, try sipping.
People should not be held without knowing why they are being held. Using terror as an excuse to keep people in jail is weak and unlawful. If they don’t have proof of a crime then by default they are not guilty.
Using your logic anyone (brown people) can be picked up and held indefinitely. Some of these people are kids and old people.
Next, if a prisoner is released I know they will head home to their family, Einstein. Don’t worry they won’t visit you.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:40 amin the words of Mel Gibson freeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!!!
May 19th, 2009 at 2:54 amBeing released from prison in the U.S. is not the same as getting a green card. They would be deported.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:58 amThese are low-level detainees. And my apologies for taking most of the night off. I hate pasta, always knocks me out.
I am a member of the original charter of the US, section 31, operating since dawn of your nation.
I agree with most of you, these little peons represent nothing, though I agree that that many of them have gone on to kill and return back to al qaeda or the like.
There is an island, where there is no key, no rights no Al Jazeera tv.
That is where we, Section 31 put individuals who actually are intelligent enough to harm this country.
We have protected you since the dawn of this nation and we will continue. We answer to no one, there are no memorandums, no rules. We just protect you.
Sure, there have been rumors of Section 31 for decades. It allows us to fulfill our mission. To really let someone know, that if you want to act against our country. That you may end up on a rendition flight to an island where you will live your days in solitary 100 metres from the surface with no human interaction where food is fed automatically through a slot and a mechanical shower every 3 days will allow you to wash off
May 19th, 2009 at 3:14 amOkay first off CFP I can rip that study you chose a new one. Do you actually have any research experience? The questions were worded in a way to allude to the desired answer for one. Also, I’d like to see the demographics of that sample they chose. Any respectable researcher does their best to select a random sample representative to the population which I don’t see in this study. I’d also like to see the margin of error as well as the confidence interval. Might want to check those sort of things before you spout idiocy, that is if you even know what I mean.
OS… again with the “much” comments. Christ can’t you think of anything else? We’ve established that your idea of wit is indeed FAIL. Please try again. K thx bai :)
May 19th, 2009 at 3:20 amHi god:
May 19th, 2009 at 5:54 amWhat happened to you “your country sucks and is dying” schtick?
OS Says:
Coming from a hard core hater like yourself, I’ll take that as a compliment. ;)
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Good. I hate trolls. I hate stupid people who think it is clever to come to a website just to annoy us. who KNOW they are too stupid to contribute so they just provoke and say things to BE punkass trolls. That is you. Stupid, punkass troll. A sad and pathetic moron who would rather screw with the site than even ATTEMPT to have a conversation. You are ignorant and you are a punk. If it makes me a hater to screw with you in return I can live with that. What I dont get is how you live with yourself. How do you get up in the morning and get through another day knowing how astonishingly stupid and depressingly pathetic you are. How do you not just break down and cry at the thought of day after day of being so worthless, and so stupid. You should give in and just go kill yourself. You will never contribute to the betterment of mankind in any other way.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:09 amstormn00007 Says:
Storm you are a brainwashed moron who spouts stupid talking points but really has not one clue what you are talking about
They the Gitmo prisoners have nothing to lose by beheading them. These people will of course be lied to into thinking this could never occur. Until it happens and then God forbid the horror released on them.
These people are worse then killers in the United States prisons. They are fanatical people that want to die for Allah. Are you really prepared to put your families at risk for 100 job?
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How do you know this is true? Did they become GUILTY of being criminals when they were ACCUSED? You do KNOW that many of them were just sold to us by Afghan warlords and we dont have any real idea who they are. Perhaps some of them ARE that bad perhaps some of them are NOT. You have no idea. You just want to punish the scary brown guys and these are good enough you dont really CARE if they are guilty or not. You should be ashamed of yourself for not caring about American values and for being such a bedwetting coward. Did you know the LAST guy prosecuted by the MILITARY TRIBUNAL that was considered too unfair to continue found there was NO evidence even SECRET beyond what was said by a single Afghan warlord that wanted to get some bounty. They let him go. They RIDICULED the administrations case. Stop being such a coward and stand up for the rule of law and America being fair and civilized.
I deleted the last paragraph too. Stop embarassing yourself you brainwashed coward
May 19th, 2009 at 6:22 amstormn00007 Says:
Storm you are a brainwashed moron who spouts stupid talking points but really has not one clue what you are talking about
They the Gitmo prisoners have nothing to lose by beheading them. These people will of course be lied to into thinking this could never occur. Until it happens and then God forbid the horror released on them.
These people are worse then killers in the United States prisons. They are fanatical people that want to die for Allah. Are you really prepared to put your families at risk for 100 job?
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How do you know this is true? Did they become GUILTY of being criminals when they were ACCUSED? You do KNOW that many of them were just sold to us by Afghan warlords and we dont have any real idea who they are. Perhaps some of them ARE that bad perhaps some of them are NOT. You have no idea. You just want to punish the scary brown guys and these are good enough you dont really CARE if they are guilty or not. You should be ashamed of yourself for not caring about American values and for being such a bedwetting coward. Did you know the LAST guy prosecuted by the MILITARY TRIBUNAL that was considered too unfair to continue found there was NO evidence even SECRET beyond what was said by a single Afghan warlord that wanted to get some bounty. They let him go. They RIDICULED the administrations case. Stop being such a coward and stand up for the rule of law and America being fair and civilized.
I deleted the last paragraph too. Stop embarassing yourself you brainwashed coward
May 19th, 2009 at 6:22 amSlappyMoron
What a joke you are. Did it take enhanced techniques for you to get to be so stupid? Was it a natural gift? I am sure that they could outsmart YOU. I am sure groundsquirrels outsmart YOU regularly. Anyway no pity for you today. Your begging is just humiliating and sad. Go find some self respect somewhere.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:27 amYep. Exactly right. Our prisons house some of the most vile despicable people on earth, so it makes sense that the prisoners at GITMO could be housed here with them. I think the reason why the neocons don’t want the GITMO prisoners to come here and be tried is because they don’t want the prisoners to talk about how they were obtained (purchased from Pakistan?) or what their ‘real crimes’ were? Just a little embarrassing for the truth to come out! Republicans have very fragile egos and they think they’ve been correct on everything since the beginning of time.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:02 amPerfect place for these detainees. Montana is a big NRA state and most residents have guns. It would be easy to recognize an escapee from the prison and Montanans’ won’t have a problem using their guns. Arizona would be another choice place for these detainees.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:05 amter?ror?ism??/?t?r??r?z?m/
–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
Hmmmm… sounds like very “trollish” behavior. Very conservative behavior, actually. Fear for political purposes.
Therefore, one must conclude that trolls are internet terrorists, and should be incarcerated indefinetely as confirmed enemy combatants.
Accusation = guilt, and therefore requires suspension of all basic human rights, for a terrorist is less than a human and deserves no human rights, as they are not fully human.
I accuse (without compensation or reservation) all trolls of being terrorists, and consequently they are all immediately guilty with no right to appeal said decision (for the right to appeal is a right, and accused terrorists deserve no rights whatsoever).
To facilitate this measure ISPs of all trolls will be made public knowledge to assist in their capture, for the sake of national security.
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May 19th, 2009 at 8:05 amGeez, we already house terrorists in our prison. To me, the most frightening prisoner is a pyschopathic serial killer.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:10 amYa know, for my part, I’m not afraid of prisoners. I trust that our prisons do a pretty good job of keeping prisoners inside the prisons.
What a bunch of frightened little children.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:15 amThe Montana facility is a “build it and they will come” mentality and it is very sick.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:43 amThe privatized prison system of the USA is big business. That is why we have more people per capita under lock and key than some of the most “repressive” governments that our “leaders” ridicule.
Ahhhh yes, THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, do teachers send their homework papers there to get them graded? I don’t think so, not much correction takes place there.
Rehabilitation, skill sets and reassimilation and into society are what they don’t want have to happen. If that occurs, then the revenue from that inmate is lost.
We have to manufacture and import fresh meat to keep the machine alive and growing (incarcerating illeagals).
Private prisons and the supporting infrastructure they require are potential empires for small communities requesting federal money. Also, the government is very quick to remind us that this treatment can and will be administered to its citizenry if they complain about the taste of the Kool-aid.
Animal farm or 1984, take your pick.
Illegals, sorry
May 19th, 2009 at 8:45 ampost 203 was not directed at Cats, by the by.
just awkward juxtaposition.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:50 amConservativeForProgress
O…K… I dont know why you addressed that to me. You werent being a troll you were making arguments not one I think particularly illuminating or relevant but a decent try nonetheless. I dont remember attacking you or arguing with your point. Rassumussen got 08 right. Other than that they are usually the outlier poll. Almost ALWAYS to the right and of COURSE the WSJ likes them. Overall Zobgy does a better job has a better historical record and Gallup is better. I am pretty sure they can take a decent poll of a fairly small town. I dont think this article really makes a relevant point either. What the people OR the town counsel of this town think isnt really relevant to the core issue here. That is that we shouldnt just lock people up on the basis only of accusations for the rest of their lives if we are punishing someone with years of incarceration civilization and common decency demands we SHOW they have actually done something wrong. I see NO reason if they couldnt escape what amounts to a POW camp that a supermax prison wouldnt hold them with ease. So I see no problem with incarcerating them IN a prison until they get a fair trial. Anyway congratulations on at least making an argument instead of trolling insults to liberals. Even when I disagree with you I respect this kind of attempt at discourse
May 19th, 2009 at 9:02 amVinylspear
I agree. When I was in high school the California prison system had a occupational program where when they got out those who took the program basically apprenticed to be Iron workers. It was a hard job but it paid pretty well and their recidivism rate was much lower than average. The GOP Governor went on a jihad against the program saying we shouldnt reward them and got it killed. Once they pay their debt to society they SHOULD be given a chance at being productive members of that society. If we take all chances for them to lead a productive life to support themselves and a family then how do we expect them NOT to go back to breaking into MY home to steal my TV and stereo or sell drugs again. Practicality itself argues for rehabilitation instead of just writing them off and making it virtually impossible for them to get good jobs.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:07 amNIMBY? Not so muchy.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:08 amwow, more proof that right wingers are scared little pansy b!tches
May 19th, 2009 at 9:11 amI found these two numbers interesting.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:22 amA Question please…..Wasen’t there an article about cheney having a huge company that serviced and supplied many prisons?..I seem to remember something about him being involved in a big no bid contract and huge profit’s while providing inferior service a few months ago…Anyone remember that.?…Blessing and thanks in advance for the info..
May 19th, 2009 at 9:48 amMaybe this is what you were looking for, Witch1:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:40 amCheney indicted for actions related to Vanguard Group
BOO!
May 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pmCFP idk why you addressed that to Eugene as it was me who poked holes in the study. Eugene is absolutely correct in his assesment. Again, show me the demographics of the surveyed population, a margin of error and the confidence interval.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pmcant be, the government does not create jobs. lmao.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSlappyMoron
Bite me
May 20th, 2009 at 1:19 amEugeneDebs, SlappyMoron can’t bite you – it has no teeth. This happens in 3rd world countries where they have no fluoride in the water. So sad for Slappy :( Maybe it can gum you :P
May 20th, 2009 at 3:40 am