‘Party of No’ Chairman on whether health care reform will pass: ‘Noooooo.’
‘Party of No’ Chairman on whether health care reform will pass: ‘Noooooo.’
This weekend on “Meet the Press,” David Gregory asked RNC Chairman Michael Steele whether health care reform could pass this year. Invoking his party’s preferred reply, Steele responded, “Noooooo”:
GREGORY: Do you think it’s going to happen? Chairman, do you think it’s going to pass this year?
STEELE: No.
GREGORY: You don’t think it will pass?
STEELE: Noooooo. No, no. no.
Reinforcing the fact that Republicans have no health care plan of their own, Steele could only repeatedly insist on “tort reform.” Watch it:
In the interview, Steele embraced the “party of no” label when discussing how the GOP would oppose President Obama’s Supreme Court pick: “You know, the party of no is no to judges that are going to sit there and try to come up with some feel-good legislation,” Steele declared.
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Not surprising, since they have yet to say “yes” to anything coming from Obama.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pmMike Steele…pounding the nails on the Republican coffin.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pmAnd Gregory, being the hard hitting interviewer that he is, asked Steele to define the Republic plan for health care. What…he didn’t? Well why not?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pmZooey Says:
Mike Steele…pounding the nails on the Republican coffin.
Since a large majority of Americans put health care second only to the economy as their main priorities, I think you are right on that one.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pmI’m thoroughly convinced they are trying to destroy their own party. Why else would they trot this moron around?
Kain was brilliant though :)
May 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pmMr. Steele, you are a beneficiary of that “feel-good” judicial activism – you can drink from the same kool-aid fountain as Limbaugh does, rather than the “colored” one in the alley.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pmWhy are they questioning this dude anyway ?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pmEveryone knows they should be asking rush.
Bilbo Hussein Baggins,
I watched this yesterday and I agree Gregory needs to ask harder questions. With all of the nutty behavior going on in the GOP, Gregory could’ve backed Steele into a corner.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pmHis response reminds me of that Amy Winehouse song. “The wanted me to go to rehab and I said: Nooo..noo..noo.”
May 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pmTort reform, as I understand it, is wingertalk for making it impossible for citizens to sue the bastards–just the thing to make rightwing mouths water.
The 109th Congress (the ones we threw out in 2006) would have had time to pass tort reform if they’d bothered to come to work more than two days a week.
(They would also have destroyed the internet, in which case you wouldn’t be reading this. But never mind.)
Tort reform was part of the Right’s dream of turning America into Indonesia. And people say they have no vision.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm“You know, the party of no is no to judges that are going to sit there and try to come up with some feel-good legislation,” Steele declared.
Obviously Mikey has NO clue as to what judges even do.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pmi will not watch MTP… but i hear OUR new leader was a dud…
probably a good thing this doofus was there to make kaine look “good”…
Where Art Thou, Howard Dean?
By John Amato Monday May 18, 2009 9:30am
Watching Tim Kaine’s boring performance as leader of the DNC on MTP made me realize how much I sure missed Howard Dean. He would have schooled Michael Steele over every topic since he’s the complete laughing stock of the RNC, but instead Kaine just let him say whatever he wanted without any push back. Read the transcript and you tell me?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pmhttp://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/where-art-thou-howard-dean
Zooey Says:
Mike Steele…pounding the nails on the Republican coffin.
The Hammer 2.0?
PEACE
May 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pm> Tort reform, as I understand it, is
> wingertalk for making it
> impossible for citizens to
> sue the bastards–just the
> thing to make rightwing mouths water.
Yep. These guys wants to be able to poison our food and drink to make a quick extra 10 percent, make houses that will collapse around us and leave us with no recourse..and all that stands in thier way is those sleeezy evil trial lawyers…scary thought, eh?
Courts = accoutability = not being able to lie with no consequences = the bane of the average corporate wh0res existence..
May 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm‘Party of No’ Chairman on whether health care reform will pass: ‘Noooooo.’
– - The GOP really has embraced Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No,” campaign against drug use to cover pretty much any issue. Hey, if you guys don’t believe in governing then get the hell out of government.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pmQuick question:
How much impact do lawsuits actually have on healthcare costs? I know it ain’t much.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pmoh and lets all raise our glasses to living in such a f$cked up world that these guys can stay politically viable while openly mocking the idea of judges having empathy and human feelings…yet another example of how these guys would love to replace most of us with robots after they are done poisoning us for profit..
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmReinforcing the fact that Republicans have no health care plan of their own, Steele could only repeatedly insist on “tort reform.”
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Today must be an even day. On even days, Republicans believe that all our health care woes will be fixed if nobody is ever allowed to file a malpractice suit.
On odd days, Republicans believe that all our health care woes will be fixed if we just kick all “illegals” out of the country.
They don’t realize that they’ll never be successful at getting either of these items to work. Malpractice will still occur, and as soon as some blonde, blue-eyed, seven year old little girl (preferably one with Republican parents) goes blind as a result of a medical mistake, the media will sensationalize it and the American public will demand any accountable heads on pikestaffs. And, of course, we all know how successful efforts to purge all undocumented residents out of this country have been.
But even if Republicans managed to rid the country of malpractice suits and medical care for uninsured non-citizens, that would only take care of a small fraction of the problem. The number of uninsured citizens is far greater than the number of uninsured non-citizens. And even if malpractice awards disappeared completely (which it wouldn’t — all that would happen MIGHT be to put some caps on), I highly doubt anybody’s insurance rates would go down.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmHow much impact do lawsuits actually have on healthcare costs? I know it ain’t much.
If you define not much in Republican terms. If you look at the reality of it the cost of malpractice insurance alone for doctors is very high. Not to mention lost time in court and legal expenses.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:27 pmNow we can call them the self-described party of no.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pmMakes sence as Republican Leader Rush Limbagh isn’t interested in the American People he’s only interested in taking over the US Govenment and continue the stealing that Bush/Cheney started. At lease drugs would be free and rape would be legal. The Supreme Court would be worthless as Rush would Rule as our Drug Addict President.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pmYes, David Gregory is an embarrassment.
It sounds like Steele is trying to make himself (or his party) sound more reasonable by being tolerant of intolerance. I’m not sure how he’ll sell this, nor if it can create a viable coalition.
Perhaps the strategy of the RNC has been a drastic lowering of expectations, allowing a few dinosaurs to dominate the discourse while Steele acts like an inept buffoon – until some “turning point” where they create the impression of a critical mass for “big tent” language again. The key to look for here is how quickly (and how harshly) Herr Limbaugh slaps him down, and who comes to his defense.
The new-and-improved GOP: big enough for minorities and the KKK.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThey should put out bumper stickers: The Party of NO
No credibility
No decency
No ideas
No help
Now if we could just get the no media coverage.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pmDoes Steele have healthcare?
Yeeesssss, yes, yes.
Does he care if the American public has healthcare?
Nnnoooo, no, no.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist party
May 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pmFunny that STEAlle wants judges with a right leaning ‘compassionate’ ideology…
Personally I think judges should have no political connections..
May 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pmThe GOP – through Steele – is so dumb or simply misleading the public. Judges don’t ‘come up’ with ANY legislation. They simply determine if the legislation meets Constitutional standards. There is NO legislating from the bench – those are code words for the GOP.
Why does the GOP hate the Constitution? It protects them too.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pmDavid Gregory stinks and Michael Steel is a hack
May 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pmXisithrus Says: Personally I think judges should have no political connections..
In a perfect world. I would settle for an honest person who respects and understands that the law is the bottom line. Not ideology or party.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pmHoodathunktick Says:
How much impact do lawsuits actually have on healthcare costs? I know it ain’t much.
If you define not much in Republican terms. If you look at the reality of it the cost of malpractice insurance alone for doctors is very high. Not to mention lost time in court and legal expenses
But this is an insurance reform issue. Malpratice insurance has gone though the roof, but claims have not. This is just one more example of the relpublican base gouging America for everything it has.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pmMicheal “man of” Steele is really made of pot metal: as in cracked pot metal. Would somebody please find an extra door for this guy to exit thru.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pmI was no Russert fan, but Gregory is pathetic.
His ape-like gestures & ‘gotcha’ attitude don’t really put his guests in a comfort zone of revealing anything. Nor does he pursue pertinent topics the public has interest in.
His show is completely scripted, and poorly, at that.
Steele has shown time & again he’s a clown. He tries to be funny, but at the end of the day he displays no talent, no professionalism and no new ideas.
I stopped watching MTP & This Week right after the election.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pmThe show, the guests and the commentators are all sub-par.
“‘Party of No’ Chairman on whether health care reform will pass: ‘Noooooo.’”
Yup, and the Party of No is living up to their principles as the party of no. Heckava job GOP! Another day, another nail in the coffin for the GOP party.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pmA decent health care reform plan would greatly benefit the party that put it in place. Isn’t this what the party of NO is worried about? Screw the 46 million with no access to health care. Screw the 18,000 to 40,000 dying each year due to no access to health care.
Party first before the good of the people = the party of NO
May 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmMichael Steele is on his knees humming the Republican Party at this point. He’ll say anything they tell him to say to keep his job.
Sucks to be you, Michael.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pmhad enough – I think you’re onto something there.
I’m convinced that every republican word and action is to prevent the other side from succeeding. How would the Democrats succeed? By giving Americans a health care plan that would work. Which would then make them even more popular, which would be bad for the repubs.
I therefore conclude that anything the republicans oppose is probably something that would be good for the American public and should be supported.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:15 pm.
LIE-CHEAT-STEELE
The “NEW” G(no)P
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May 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pmI’m starting to think perhaps Steele was telling the truth. Single payer being “off the table” in just one of many positions that Obama has changed his mind about. I’m becoming deeply disheartened in seeing Obama adopting Bush’s policies. He’s reaching across the aisle so often, I fear he’s about to fall over there altogether. Yes we can — but maybe we won’t. Change we can believe in — change of his position. It’s starting to look like Obama may be the biggest bait and switch of all…
May 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pmThe Republican’t Party.
The party of No Way, No How, No New Ideas.
And another thing…
May 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pmSince when is “health care reform” automatically translated into “socialized medicine”. The vast majority of us think that we need some kind of reform in health care. I can allow that many do not relish the thought of socialized medicine, but then they offer nothing as an alternative.
Proud Says:
Why does it matter what anyone in the GOP says or thinks.
Because the Dems have never liked the idea of imperial power? Because they have this silly idea that, just maybe, running the government is about cooperation and doing what is best for the country? Because they have more than a one word vocabulary?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pmSteele on tort reform:
Gotta have more damn raspberry! No pineapple torts either, they make my gums bleed!!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pmYou tried it with Clinton and failed, now you have full control, stop whining about the GOP and do something.
Where should we start the next war of choice?
Any suggestions?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmThe next war of choice… I vote for Texas. Let them leave the union then invade them for the oil. At least that one would make sense.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm2-year olds say “NO” LESS than these idiots! Grow up you RePukelicans!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pmNO. I will NOT pay for YOUR health care.
READ the constitution! You are NOT guarenteed a place to live, you are not guarenteed a job, and you are NOT guarenteed health care.
I was out of a job for almost 2 years. I worked odd jobs, scrounged, sold things off, I did whatever it took to keep food in my children, and them in health care. I never once asked that ANYONE ELSE pay for their health care, I took care of it all.
Additionally, within current health care system, nobody who requires care should aver be turned away.
Lastly though, if you are in the country ilegally, you need to be immediately deported back to your own country for medical care, instead of wasting OUR money and resources.
I am sorry, I make less than 50K a year, between property tax, sales tax, fed and state income tax, ss, medicare, stormwater runnoff tax, etc etc, about 40% plus is taken away from my family and I. I donate to tzedukah, and to various charitable organizations. Why should I have to pay for someone elses health care. It’s not my job, and if YOU want to, you can pay for their health care.I have enough to worry about without a wife and with kids that I have to raise.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmdouglasg Says:
READ the constitution! You are NOT guarenteed a place to live, you are not guarenteed a job, and you are NOT guarenteed health care.
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Dougie???
It’s “guaranteed”…
Learn spell first, and THEN we’ll tackle policy, mmmkay?
May 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pmProudMoron you are an ignorant, disgusting, brainwashed piece of garbage. If we WERENT trying to include the minoroty party you would be whining like the punk you are about THAT. I would LOVE to see socialized medicine though Obama is NOT advocating it. If Democrats DID do that and people KNEW that no matter what their circumstances if their son or daughter NEEDE a heart transplant they would get one it would be even MORE wildly popular than Social Security is and the GOP would be a minority party for a generation until they woke up and stopped trying to assure that Americans DIE because they are poor.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pmdouglasg Says:
I donate to tzedukah, and to various charitable organizations. Why should I have to pay for someone elses health care.
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PARSHAS RE`EH — THE LAWS OF TZEDUKAH
In Jewish life, there is nothing ambiguous about giving tzedukah. The laws of tzedukah are not a matter of personal preference, of likes or dislikes. We have definite obligations, and they are spelled out in this week`s parsha. The Torah teaches us that we should not harden our hearts or close our hands to the indigent — that it is not only giving charity that is significant, but also the manner in which we offer it.
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How… how truly you believe the meaning of the actions you claim to take.
“we should not harden our hearts or close our hands to the indigent…”
BTW… who said medical should be free?
Most people support SINGLE-PAYER… notice the word PAYER in there.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pmdouglasg Says:
None of this is UP to you. It is a Democratic desicion and if you are saying a single payer health insurance is unconstitutional then you are a moron. You dont HAVE to pay for my health insurance. I have GREAT insurance. I want to assure my neighbor has health insurance and right now 45 MILLION of my niebhors DONT. 18000 of my nieghbors a year DIE from lack of access to healthcare. You Ebeneezer Scrooge worshippers dont LIKE our society and the decisions it makes then go live in the forrest and eat nuts and berries we are trying to have a civilization here and we are tired of dragging you selfish dont want to contribute, petulant children along. Better yet take ALL of your I got mine get yours or die bretheren to a tropical Island somewhere and let us televise you guys re-enacting the Lord of the Flies
May 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pmHey ROhS BRILLIANT post. You knocked that one right out of the park
May 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pmProud Says
May 18th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Why does it matter what anyone in the GOP says or thinks. You control the White House and Both Houses. You all make it clear the GOP has no power. So why don’t you idiots give us socialized medicine and then see how quickly the GOP comes back into power. You tried it with Clinton and failed, now you have full control, stop whining about the GOP and do something.
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This post sounds like it was written by a child who’s in desperate need of an afternoon nap. Whiny and cranky — it appears to just be one long sulky pout.
First — the Democrats don’t have absolute power. The Republicans still have some power to obstruct. Working in a spirit of bipartisanship is the ideal situation, but the GOP isn’t interested in working together. They’ll take any concessions the Democrats give them, they will load up bills with their own earmarks, and then they vote against them. If they can’t have things 100% their way, they’ll park themselves in front of the bases in an effort to keep anybody else from scoring — or even playing the game. Even when a couple Republicans are willing to work with the Democrats (as two senators from Maine did) to effect compromise, those Republicans get a lot of wrath from their own party. So bipartisanship is pretty much a lost cause. Our best hope is to gain enough seats in 2010 that legislation can occur with Democrats alone, and the Republicans will be so irrelevant they won’t even really need to show up. And since the American people see the GOP as the obstructionists, and the reason why things aren’t getting done, this a real possibility.
Second — nobody is even proposing “socialized medicine”, whatever you think that means. Some have proposed a single payer health care system, but that’s off the table at this time. Some (including President Obama) have proposed a public health plan (similar to Medicare, but for everyone) that would compete with private health insurance plans that are out there now. This would be a win-win for everyone. Because the public health plan wouldn’t have the objective of making obscene profits for shareholders, it could offer decent health care at affordable rates — a win for those who can’t afford insurance now. Private health insurance plans would still be in the marketplace for those who want them — and since they’ll be competing with the public health plan, they’ll have to either lower their rates, offer more bells and whistles, or both — a win for their customers. Those people (like you) who are convinced that the private sector can always out-perform the government can continue paying your insane premiums to your current carrier and you don’t have to get involved with government “red tape” — a win for you. And if you’re right about how “socialized medicine” will fail, then the public health plan will fall apart, private insurers keep their business, everything goes back to the way it is now, and you get to gloat. What’s not to like? And why would you be afraid of a plan you wouldn’t be required to be part of?
Third — Clinton’s plan failed to get the support it needed to get off the ground, thanks in large part to a massive marketing campaign by the for-profit greedheads and big pharma. Today, many more people are uninsured, or paying more for health insurance than they are for their mortgages or rent. If Clinton was trying to get his plan passed today instead of 1993, he’d have a much easier time of it.
Fourth — We’re not really “whining” about the GOP. We’re laughing, we’re rolling our eyes, and we’re making noises of mind-boggled disgust at the party whose mouthpieces keep coming up with more and more absurd statements. It’s a pity you can’t tell the difference. But on the other hand, neither can the Republican leadership, apparently.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Hey ROhS BRILLIANT post. You knocked that one right out of the park
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Thank you!!! Thank you verrrrry much…
May 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pmSorry douglas, but the majority of Americans do not agree with you:
the majority of polled Americans have said that:
May 18th, 2009 at 3:24 pm-providing health insurance for all is more important than keeping health care costs down, and
-most polled rate health care as the second most (after the economy) important thing for him and Congress to tackle, and
-most said they’d be willing to pay higher taxes so that all Americans could have health insurance.
“And why would you be afraid of a plan you wouldn’t be required to be part of?”
I suppose for the same reason that Republicants are against gay marriage.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:25 pmdouglasg might be a hit an run troll. TRoHS pwded it though ;)
TRoHS for Senate 2010! haha!
May 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmdouglasg Says
May 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
NO. I will NOT pay for YOUR health care.
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You already are.
When you buy a latte at Starbucks, more of what you paid goes to cover the cost of health insurance of the barista who served you than goes to cover the cost of the beans that were used for your drink.
When you go to the grocery store to buy a box of cereal, what you paid for that cereal goes to pay for the health care of the people who manufactured the cereal, the people who manufactured the box it’s packaged in, everybody in the trucking and distribution chain who got that box to that store, the people who stocked it on the shelf, the cashier who rang it up, and possibly the guy who put it in a bag for you (unless he was a part-timer).
When you go on vacation, you’re paying for the health insurance of workers at your airline, your hotel, your restaurants, the car you rent, the amusement parks you visit, etc.
When you pay your utility bills, you’re paying for somebody’s health care.
Scarcely a day goes by when you don’t pay for somebody else’s health care. Whenever you pay for any goods and services, you are paying for the health insurance of employees. Because when employers pay for benefits for their workers, they have to make up the cost somehow, and it gets passed on to their consumers.
Through your taxes, you’re already paying for health care for our soldiers in uniform, our elected officials in Washington, and hundreds of thousands of government workers.
Oh — and that “within current health care system, nobody who requires care should aver be turned away” thing? You’re paying for that, too. And more than it would cost had that uninsured person had access to regular doctor visits, wellness programs, and medication — all of which could have kept him out of the expensive emergency room.
So you can stand there defiantly with your arms folded and declare you’re not going to pay for anybody’s health care, but the health insurance industry is already making big bucks out of your wallet.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pmProud Says:
Why does it matter what anyone in the GOP says or thinks.
The party of NO has the backing of corporate money and the media. The corporate powers that be are working overtime to thwart public health care and anything else that is a threat.
corporate money + GNOP + media = brainwashing of the ignorant = votes for GNOP + more cor[orate power.
The party of No is not in power of Congress but it is too obvious they hold media power over the dems.
Also the fact we do not have a filibuster proof senate.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pmFine JUMP my spelling. show me where in the constitution it says the government will pay for your healthcare, (remembering of course the government HAS NO MONEY of it’s own. only the taxes it collects.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pmpROUD, I hope if single-payer EVER comes to America, you will stand by your principles and refuse it…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pmDouglas, go complain to every senator and Congresscritter about the health care they receive…and also, why don’t you also do away with Medicare, which is single-payer like what we want here? Why not stop there? Let’s do away with the VA too and SCHIP…while we’re at it…VA’s “socialized medicine.” Let’s have the GOP run on the platform of doing away with socialized medicine, starting with the VA…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:19 pm“we should not harden our hearts or close our hands to the indigent…”
First, show me where ANY person who REQUIRES health care is turned away? It is against the LAW for that to happen, so any indigent person, is guarenteed health care if they require it.
Nothing hardened there.
I am talking about the people who are working, and have no insurance, KINDA LIKE the problems I had. I was scrounging, working odd jobs for over 2 years, no health care, I paid for EVERYTHING out of my pocket. No insurance.
And yes, I understand that when I spend money all over some is used for their employees health insurance, HOWEVER, nowhere in the constitution of these United States, does it gove the authority to congress to spend my TAX dollars to pay for someone elses health care. I was capable of making it happen for MY family without insurance, and without full time employement, why can’t other’s do the same?
Oh darn, it means someone taking responsibility for themselves. Sorry, silly me.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pmDouglas, you talk as if YOU’RE the only one paying for everyone else’s health care.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:32 pmwouldn’t you think that taxpayer dollars from others would pay for YOUR healthcare if H.R. 676, Medicare for all, passed? It works both ways…
The people complaining the MOST are the ones who can already afford to pay the ridiculous health care premiums that the private insurance companies charge and the COngresscritters who don’t even NEED to worry about health insurance…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:36 pmdouglasg Says
May 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
HOWEVER, nowhere in the constitution of these United States, does it gove the authority to congress to spend my TAX dollars to pay for someone elses health care.
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You’re right — even the clause that says “promote the general Welfare” is part of the Preamble, and doesn’t grant any actual authority for taxpayer funded health care.
But it also doesn’t grant any authority for public education, public roads, public safety (fire and police), libraries, museums, public parks, etc.
I think if you’re really going to push the “responsibility” angle, you should be advocating the abolishment of ALL these public benefits. So why aren’t you?
By the way — the “public plan” that’s currently on the table to compete with private insurance companies? That’s mostly going to be paid by the people who choose that plan, not the taxpayers. The only part of the bill the taxpayers have to foot is for people who genuinely can’t afford insurance — you know, the people whose emergency room care you’re paying for now. Only they may need less emergency room care if they stay healthy to begin with.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:45 pmdouglasg, I suggest you read a book I always bring to the light here. Your arguments will best be suited with a proper education on the subject:
Politicians – Owned and Operated by Corporate America
I think you’ve been duped by the media and corporate owned politicians. It’s alright; we’ve all been-there-done-that.
The point some are trying to make here is we PAY for health care in the back-end though corporate welfare and the price of products and services. After reading this book, you will see this is true.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:03 pmI sort of enjoy paying for the healthcare of others. Afterall we are all in this together…
May 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pmI was capable of making it happen for MY family without insurance, and without full time employment, why can’t other’s do the same?
Oh darn, it means someone taking responsibility for themselves. Sorry, silly me.
1) If we had a single payer system, you wouldn’t have to choose the health of your family over making a better life for your self. We need to get health care out of the hands of greedy corporations.
2) Have you ever been self-employed? I have and there’s no cheap plan to help those who are. Being self-employed is the true American dream and that is squashed by high health insurance and heath care costs.
Want to see this country become an economic power house again? Get this country off corporate welfare. Hint: the corporations don’t care about you – only money and bonuses.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:14 pmWOW, funny how 1 thing is said, and then someone blows it out of proportion. VA is not socialized medicing, it is a right earned by someone willing to DIE, so you could take away their money and give it to someone else.
I am sorry, the constitution allows you the right to earn a living, not to take money from someone else to provide your living.
We have charities we donate to to help people out. That’s not the job of the government. The federal Government is there to protect our borders, not your health.
Additionally Every country that has socialized medicine wants to get away from it. over 30% of canadian women come to the U.S. to give birth. Women in England are dying of breast cancer, because the government says it’s too expensive and they are going to die anyways..
NICE health care systems.
Get the entitlement ideas out of your head. You work, you earn, you deal. Not someone else works, they lose money to taxes and you get a afree ride, and that’s just what is happening.
Some people TRULY need, and I have no problem helping them. That’s what Tzedukah is all about.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pmBTW, I am no wing. I can’t stand republicans, or democrats. Call me a constitutionlist.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pmAdditionally Every country that has socialized medicine wants to get away from it. over 30% of canadian women come to the U.S. to give birth. Women in England are dying of breast cancer, because the government says it’s too expensive and they are going to die anyways..
Right, all those Scandinavian countries are so gung-ho about the U.S. for-profit system…You know what’s funny? You conservatives always talk about government bureaucrats making life-or-death decisions while forgetting about the HMO bureaucrats who make a living DENYING health care. What’s the difference?
May 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pmBut it also doesn’t grant any authority for public education, public roads, public safety (fire and police), libraries, museums, public parks, etc.
You are right.
Those items come under STATE’S responsibilities.
With the exception of an interstate highways system necessary to move troops to facilitate defense of our borders and to assist in interstate commerce, the rest of those things you mentions are all State’s responsibilities.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:32 pmIs your definition of socialized medicine health care for deadbeats? I don’t even think you even get how the VA is virtually socialized medicine…It has nothing to do with who deserves it or not…But like many on the right, you have fallen for the old corporate-media driven canard about deadbeats sucking bloated government dry while ignoring the fact that corporate welfare is the very same thing you guys decry…
May 18th, 2009 at 5:33 pmdouglasg Says
May 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Additionally Every country that has socialized medicine wants to get away from it. over 30% of canadian women come to the U.S. to give birth. Women in England are dying of breast cancer, because the government says it’s too expensive and they are going to die anyways..
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Got some links to back up these statistics and wild statements, or did you just pull them out of your ass?
May 18th, 2009 at 5:39 pmWhat you have fallen for is the canard, the political definition of socialized medicine…the very myth that the GOP propagandizes you with…Socialized medicine is not going to turn our country into the Soviet Union. Single-payer won’t make us a Communist nation. What H.R. 676 does not propose is the government making the decision for doctors and their patients much like how health insurance companies dictate to them. The government yes, would be billed, but doctors will remain in private practice.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:43 pmdouglasg Says
May 18th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Those items come under STATE’S responsibilities.
With the exception of an interstate highways system necessary to move troops to facilitate defense of our borders and to assist in interstate commerce, the rest of those things you mentions are all State’s responsibilities.
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Ah — so you don’t mind paying state taxes. You just mind paying federal taxes.
So if your state enforced “socialized medicine”, you’d be OK with that? Somehow I doubt it.
The point I was making is that there are a lot of things our taxes go to (federal, state, AND municipal) that contribute to the common good. I find it amusing that you don’t mind paying for those at a state level or below, but I realize you only made that distinction to cover your hypocrisy (public health insurance is bad because it’s federal — other common good benefits are OK because they aren’t).
So if your state had a “socialized medicine” program, you’d be OK with that? Somehow I doubt it.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:47 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
So if your state had a “socialized medicine” program, you’d be OK with that? Somehow I doubt it.
I would presume that if his state had a “socialized medicine” program, he would refuse on his steadfast principles.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:49 pmrefuse it, based on his steadfast principles…/edit
May 18th, 2009 at 5:50 pmSTEELE: Noooooo. No, no. no.
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The RNC chairman said this? Surely not! Must be some mistake in the quote! XoD
May 18th, 2009 at 8:51 pmdouglasg Says:
Fine JUMP my spelling. show me where in the constitution it says the government will pay for your healthcare, (remembering of course the government HAS NO MONEY of it’s own. only the taxes it collects.
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Damn you are stupid. Show me where in the constitution it says that the government will pay for highways, rural electrfication, education, and so on and so on. Let me guess it sounded good when Rush said it right? Well its stupid and it makes NO POINT.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:30 pmdouglasg Says:
You are a brainwashed moron and you are LYING. Only 2% of Canadians would change their healthcare for ours. They voted the man who brought a national healthcare system to Canada the MOST POPULAR CANADIAN OF ALL TIME. No 30% of Canadian women do NOT come here to give birth. Rush is LYING to you. And NO most countries with national healthcare systems love them and why not most of the score higher on the quality index than the US does. You are full of rightwing propaganda but your grasp of reality does not exist
May 18th, 2009 at 9:36 pmdouglasg Says:
You are so full of it. You are an idiot you know that right?
But it also doesn’t grant any authority for public education, public roads, public safety (fire and police), libraries, museums, public parks, etc.
You are right.
Those items come under STATE’S responsibilities.
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There are TONS of federal funding for education. There are many NATIONAL parks,
With the exception of an interstate highways system necessary to move troops to facilitate defense of our borders and to assist in interstate commerce, the rest of those things you mentions are all State’s responsibilities
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You are full of it. The highway system cannot POSSIBLY be considered a defense matter that is not even a good try. What about rural electrification are you claiming THAT was unconstitutional? By your logic wellfare is also unconstitutional. You are an idiot. Spewing the idiocy you have been told to think and not bright enough to know it doesnt even come close to making sense.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:39 pmhahaha! Stupid people, now you are all riled up about actually ‘NOT lying” to you!
I know you want your free stuff “right now” like a 2 year old. But the health care “system” is huge! It would take at least a decade to transform it.
So yeah, let’s get all the sheeple who dont study, spend their lives on facebook and groupthink. Let’s rile them up with an article that leaves out any knowledge of the actual problem.
Should we allow smokers in the program, what about hard core drug adddicts. Medicine will have to be rationed! THere are not enough doctors and nurses, let alone support staff. Putting the govt. in charge. Well that is just fantasy land. Pelosi deciding who needs want surgery or medication. Laughable!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:42 pmReporter: “Michael Steele, are you a proud African-American?”
May 18th, 2009 at 9:46 pmSteele: Noooooo. No, no. no
Looks like “God” the zit faced teenager got out of school in time to spew crap here at TP. Did you get beat up by any jocks at school today? Punk.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:11 pmGod,
Actually, to be technically accurate, a Norwegian study concluded that smokers do not cost the system any more than non-smokers.
Smokers cost more in the middle years, but die sooner.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:29 pmNon-smokers cost less during the middle years, but live longer.
Bother groups tend to have costly chronic illnesses in their last years.
BlasphemousMORON. Just go kill yourself. You are stupid. You are a punk. Nothing you do here will alleviate the sadness, and lonliness of your pathetic life. No one likes you. No one will EVER respect you. You serve no purpose in this life so just go.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:19 am