GRASPING for straws is what the GOP is trying to do, pinning this on Pelosi…Way to project, my man…feel proud yet? We are talking about what happened under a Republican administration that approved of these torture methods and yet you would love to pass on the buck to the Democrats…Way to show off the party of personal responsibility…

NY Times 12/07/07

In his statement, General Hayden said leaders of Congressional oversight committees had been fully briefed about the existence of the tapes and told in advance of the decision to destroy them. But the two top members of the House Intelligence Committee in 2005 said Thursday that they had not been notified in advance of the decision to destroy the tapes.

A spokesman for Representative Peter Hoekstra, Republican of Michigan, who was the committee’s chairman between 2004 and 2006, said that Mr. Hoekstra was “never briefed or advised that these tapes existed, or that they were going to be destroyed.”

The spokesman, Jamal Ware, also said that Mr. Hoekstra “absolutely believes that the full committee should have been informed and consulted before the C.I.A. did anything with the tapes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?_r=1

Hoekstra and others are making the case that its outrageous to say the CIA lied. But in Hoekstra’s case, he did the same thing, and on the same subject of receiving briefings, with briefings related to torture.

And how can the GOP claim that the CIA is so honest about what occurred concerning torture, when we know the CIA destroyed the interrogation tapes? We also know those tapes were requested by the 9/11 Commission and weren’t provided.

So the CIA lied and the GOP called them liars. Why the different standards now?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/index.htm

I am not a hypocrite at ALL but you are a complete and TOTAL moron not just much but totally, completely and all the time. You should just go kill yourself. Nothing else anyone as stupid as you can possibly do to aid the advancement of mankind

He’s a putz.

Cheers,

Really grasping for anything you can find now. Libs are pathetic, ole’ nancy lied and got caught, she needs to deal with it and either admit she lied or resign. Your constant whining that well this or that republican did something bad is rally sad. You are the party in power why not try governing instead of pointing fingers.

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PROUD,
One inescapable fact I can put in the Republican’s lap. Cheney/Bush left one big pile of dogshite on the floor and Obama and company are stuck cleaning it up. You Republicans own this mess, not Pelosi. This is too obvious to ignore.
Republicans screwed up royally.

It’s “What did Bush do and when did he do it?”

It’s both! I don’t want someone in power who knowingly and quietly stands by and does nothing about illegal torture any more than I want the torturers themselves.

Clean house!

It’s “What did Bush do and when did he do it?”

Don’t let the right wing continue to frame the debate. They are framing it in such a way that Bush and Cheney are blameless.

Then, at least we could read the NSA Wiretaps… to see who is telling the truth.

I dont care about TROLLS you igrnorant pile of dogshite. I dont care about people who KNOW they are too stupid to contribute to the conversation so they come here specifically to FUKC with us so I like to slap them around and laugh at them for being so utterly and completely stupid

Panetta has said the CIA document was “truthful” to the recollections of CIA officers — but hasn’t vouched for those recollections.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/CIA_to_Obey_Our_records_aint_perfect.html

Dems try to buck up Pelosi
msnbc.com – ?26 minutes ago?
Earlier today, NBC’s Luke Russert reported that House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer went out of his way to stand by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in her back-and-forth with the CIA.
CIA to Obey: Our records ain’t perfect Politico
Democrats back Pelosi amid waterboarding controversy CNN
Talk Radio News Service – New York Daily News – FOXNews – USA Today
all 3,183 news articles »
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ncl=dYT3E74uJe81VFMPZxFDUu_1RbmuM&topic=h

(whoo! that alice stewart is a delusional puppy, not?)

Nothing anyone with a normal IQ could possibly care about. In other words his normal troll post. Look over there or anywhere but the TOPIC somewhere a dem is doing something bad. It is page two of the ignorant troll handbook. Just go kill yourself moron. There isnt enough oxygen for worthless punks like you

OS is going to keep being a pathetically ignorant troll. No brain, no self respect, no ATTEMPT at relevance just pathetic and ignorant trolling with a side of proudly parading his stupidity

Ah the babbling incoherence of ProudMorons first ignorant post of the thread. The stupid is strong. The ignorance and brainwashing quite pronounced. A typically worthless and stupid post by him. I am sure he is TRYING for the gold of stupidest most brainwashed troll but the competition is strong. He of course cannot refute anything IN the post. He doesnt even try. He knows he is far too stupid for actual cognitive function. So he spews his stupid in every directiong like a skunk or like the punkass troll he is. Far too stupid to actually contribute to the conversation just insulting us and trying to be annoying. How can he live with himself KNOWING that for the rest of his sad and pathetic life he is going to be this stupid and pathetic? How does he not just break down and cry at the thought that he is who he is? Ah the mysteries of ignorant punkass troll morons

Time and again I watch posters do their best to deflect an attack on “one of ours” by saying things like, “Why focus on Pelosi (red herring, etc.) When bush killed the WORLD! (Exaggeration added for effect.)

This is a f-a-l-l-a-c-y.

The attempt to redirect blame or culpability by citing the hypocrisy of, for example, republicans barking for Pelosi’s head, or perhaps some other poster you’ve deemed a troll, is called a “Tu Quoque” Fallacy (with some ad-hom mixed in…).

The fact is, Pelosi ‘took impeachment off the table.’ Didn’t begin investigations, didn’t call attention to the circumstances, hell didn’t do squat but keep her head down and give bush everything he wanted!

People died because of it. People were tortured to death.

Now Nancy is paddling like hell for her political life, willing to lie, divert and muddy the waters, with the help of the complicit media, to claim she was “helpless” (this is patently false!) or that she “didn’t know” (Her own quote blows that flimsy cover.)

Nancy is a coward who stood in the way of exposing the bush torture machine and, as far as I’m concerned, shares accountability in allowing such a disgrace to continue unchecked.

Pelosi needs to go; I don’t care who else is saying so. She betrayed the Constitution, her oath of office, countless treaties and the American people.