Pentagon: Obama has not ordered military to work on repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
Pentagon: Obama has not ordered military to work on repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
Pentagon spokesperson Geoff Morrell said today that it has had only “initial discussions” with the White House about repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and President Obama has “not asked for the 1993 policy to be scrapped.” “I do not believe there are any plans under way in this building for some expected, but not articulated, anticipation that don’t ask-don’t tell will be repealed,” Morrell said. He added that the Joint Chiefs and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates are “aware of where the president wants to go on this issue, but I don’t think that there is any sense of any immediate developments in the offing on efforts to repeal don’t ask-don’t tell.” Today’s remarks appear contrary to White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs’s claim last week that Obama is currently “working with…members of the Joint Chiefs” to repeal the policy. The Boston Globe reported today that 619 individuals were discharged last year under the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy.
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
Obama can flat out deliver rhetoric.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:59 pmI’m extremely disappointed that President Obama has not moved to repeal DADT. What’s going on?
May 19th, 2009 at 9:09 pmO taking us for granted perhaps? The least he could do would be to address the issue. He seems more interested in pleasing the religious nutters who hate him and always will.
Obama doesn’t even have a gay outreach director/
May 19th, 2009 at 9:21 pmSeeing Geoff Morrell still with a job as Pentagon spokesman is irritating enough. Hearing him say the Pentagon doesn’t anticipate a request anytime soon to work on how they might repeal DADT was most aggravating.
Geoff delivered too many Bush lines to be credible.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:24 pmYou know what? I’m done with Obama! I voted for the man because I thought he would deliver change…HELL, Reagan delivered more in his first 100 days!! They must have gotten to him, he’s scared. I think this country is now gone.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:26 pmI am extemely concerned about Obama trying to appeal to the religious wingnuts. LGBT have a right to serve – this is their country too! They pay taxes like the rest of us. A lot of the religious wingnuts probably lack the courage to serve in the armed forces. I don’t have the courage either. Therefore, I wouldn’t dare object to someone serving openly if they were LGBT.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:27 pmI really, REALLY do not like Obama. He’s going to be the best Republican president America ever had.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:30 pmTexMex7 Says: Are you one of those trolls fixated on Ronald Reagan?
Reagan didn’t have as much to deal with as Obama does. There’s no comparison. The Bush Crime Family left an economic disaster, two wars, torture crimes, etc.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:31 pmcorsair Says: You’re NUTZ if you think that troll.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:32 pmI’m willing to give President Obama time to work through all of the disasters left behind by Bush\Cheney and the issues he promised to resolve during his campaign like DADT. I’m a realist and I do not expect Obama to resolve EVERYTHING in less than a year. You’ve got to be plain stupid or crazy to think Obama could press a button and fix everything.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:35 pmVanWinkle65 Says:
Here you go with comparing Obama to bin Laden. You need to realize that the Bush family has been close to the bin Ladens for decades. Bush bin Lyin about torture. Cheney bin Lyin about torture. The CIA bin Lyin and the Rethuglican bin Lyin and without any new ideas to move America forward.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:38 pmIn the meantime, 18-year decorated Air Force Lt. Col. Victor J. Fehrenbach is receiving his walking papers. A petty, disastrous, bigoted, illogical, hate-fueled law continues to win over a decorated military career — two years from retirement.
The writing’s on the wall, President Obama. It’s time to consult with the White House counsel and ink your executive pen.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:48 pmCan we now considering renaming the President “Backtrack Obama?” What is going on here?
May 19th, 2009 at 10:05 pmSo…all of you who voted for this politician…actually believed he was different? He came up through the Chicago political machine. hahaha
Megaloptera McWars Says:
In the meantime, 18-year decorated Air Force Lt. Col. Victor J. Fehrenbach is receiving his walking papers. A petty, disastrous, bigoted, illogical, hate-fueled law continues to win over a decorated military career — two years from retirement.
I guess he should have followed the rules and not tell? Hey…he knew what he was doing.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:15 pmObama needs to issue an Executive Order directing that DADT will not be enforced until further notice — or action by Congress.
PRONTO.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:19 pmAdd Lieutenant Colonel Victor Fehrenbach to the list of discharged members. He was just on Rachel Maddow. A true hero who has fought in multiple wars via the airforce. Write Obama, join groups and sign petitions. This is a disgrace for a supposedly country of civil rights for all.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:21 pmI, too, am disappointed with President Obama’s lack of haste in repealing the disgusting, homophobic, completely unnecessary policy of DADT. But we do have to keep in mind that while there are things he could do within his authority as C-in-C, DADT is the law of the land right now. As all veterans here could attest, when you are in the military, you obey the law. Period. Though difficult, a soldier does have the legal right to refuse to obey an illegal order. Many are too intimidated by superior personnel to stand up for that right when the time comes. But even watching people break security procedures, when most of the people involved don’t seem to mind, it can tough to uphold the rules. It’s not always easy to have to stand up for what’s right when you wear the uniform and you see your fellow airman doing something illegal. Trust me, I know. So we should not be surprised that military personnel continue to follow the law. They have no choice.
But I do wish to know why he has not worked with a well-respected Member of Congress to begin drafting legislation to end the ban on gays serving in the military. And make no mistake about it, DADT is a ban on gays serving in the military. I never cared one bit about the personal sex lives of the airmen I served with, and this was during Reagan’s terms. The official policy then was “Homosexuality is inconsistent with military standards.” It wasn’t simply doing something considered “homosexual conduct”, it meant simply being homosexual was grounds for dismissal, regardless of your record up to that point. And that policy was a change from “Homosexual conduct is inconsistent with military standards.” During the hearings to draft DADT, Sen John Warner said that he didn’t believe that a gay person could remain celibate for a four-year term. (He had been married often enough that he should have known better. Including to Elizabeth Taylor, who I’m sure had lots of gay friends come over to visit.) So there was a lot of bigotry, homophobia, and just plain old ignorance brought to the making of DADT. So, of course, it wasn’t perfect.
In the consideration for disciplinary action, of any kind, against any member of the military, one of the key questions to ask is “What is in the best interests of the military here?” Had the decision-makers been honest and truthful, and not deceptively bigoted, they would have realized that the people who worked with the gay soldier often knew (or kinda suspected) and didn’t care. They still liked the person. If one divorces oneself from the idea that homosexuality is inherently bad, and that its presence could have a demoralizing effect on the morale of the unit (because they are lies and not based in fact), they would see that keeping some gay soldiers really is in the best interests of the military. We may not have lost nearly as many Arabic translators in the months leading up to the 9/11 attacks. We might have translated the message that the match was set for tomorrow sooner if more people were available for translations. One person can only translate so much in a short time. The call was intercepted on the 10th, and the message was translated on the 12th. And by then, we had already discharged several gay soldiers who could have translated those messages just because they were gay. (Yes. That is simply one of many things that went wrong. Let’s not go further on the subject of that day. I was simply making a point about DADT, not the events of that day themselves. Please, don’t take this conversation down that road. It wasn’t my intent. Thank you.)
Let me answer that question I hear trolls asking. “But, Wayne, you may be handsome and intelligent, but if, as you say, all soldiers obey the law, and DADT required that they ‘don’t tell’, why did they break the law?” To which I would say, “Thank you, and I also said that it’s not always easy to do what’s right, especially if you have to defy your superiors. But DADT was wrong, and I would support any gay soldier who risked his or her career to do what’s right, though the consequences be harsh. Their courage is worthy of the highest honors our nation can bestow on our men and women in uniform.” Assuming I got asked that.
Mr. President, it’s your turn to have courage and do what’s right. You know DADT is wrong, and the entire ban on openly gay people serving in the military is wrong. Reversing that ban will only upset the people who do not know what they are talking about. Remember that. And the reason they sound scared is because they are scared. Scared of their own imaginations.
Apologies for the long post, but I wanted to get it said and have done with it. I’ll leave the rest of you to your conversation. Thank you and good night.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:21 pmRealityCheck, I think Obama is saving this DADT for the 2012. But, he’ll check polls before he commits to change it. He needs to keep the gay voters happy in a razor thin election year.
That’s my take.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:22 pmRealityCheck Says:
Yes and I still believe that President Obama’s different. Eventhough I don’t agree with his stance on DADT.
When I voted for Obama – I wasn’t expecting him to save the world or resolve all issues in less than a year.
That’s all you wingnuts have – if it’s not the teleprompter, you claim Obama’s a Chicago political machine or crack on his mustard choice – utter nonsense.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:23 pmWhen Obama attempts to repeal DADT, I wonder how long it’ll take before rethuglicans and psuedo-Dems attempt to obstruct his decision?
May 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
When Obama attempts to repeal DADT, I wonder how long it’ll take before rethuglicans and psuedo-Dems attempt to obstruct his decision?
May 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Exactly.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:26 pmObama is playing long ball. He is moderating his first term so as to get a second term during which he will spend more political capital on liberal issues.
Let’s not let the right wing make us believe he is the Messiah.
And even if he doesn’t accomplish all of his goals, he will have gotten us moving in the right direction and it will be up to us to maintain the momentum.
Maybe I’m just feeling optimistic because we had a really excellent rehearsal tonight. Our drummer is really amazing.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:29 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
I’m willing to give President Obama time to work through all of the disasters left behind by Bush\Cheney and the issues he promised to resolve during his campaign like DADT.
Agree.
I am not ready to throw Obama under the bus yet. As he is careful and thoughtful with a lot on his plate, he will get to it.
For now, he needs to suspend any unwanted discharges of those being let go because of orientation.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:32 pmIn light of current events, DADT is a minor item. I’m far more concerned with getting our military personnel out of harms way.
Speaking of current events; Jesse Ventura, of all people, really took it to Sean Hannity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/jesse-ventura-gets-in-the_n_205146.html
May 19th, 2009 at 10:47 pmSorry OT but…
Hey RantingTommy,
I checked out your site. You guys sound good. I’m downloading some of your songs from iTunes now. I used to live in the “A” and I loved the Martini Bar because they had live jazz on Friday nights. Hope you guys have a concert in Charlotte soon.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:49 pmObama is working on this but not as fast as people want him too. He’s has a lot on his plate right now and he still got 3 more years, just give it time.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:49 pmWant to get this overturned immediately? Have every single member of the military declare that he/she is homosexual upon receiving orders to deploy overseas. Have every member of the military already deployed declare his/her “gayness”.
Like the police organizing a “blue flu”, let the military mount a “rainbow flu” and see how quickly the policy is overturned.
PEACE
May 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pmAnd, in a more general sense, I didn’t vote for Obama in order to advance a dogma. I chose the person who has demonstrated an aptitude for making real-time decisions based on real-world events.
Considering the mess he inherited, I think it’s pretty amazing that some things are improving and no, new, major disasters have overtaken us.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:54 pmhey, thanks much, hormiga!
Happy that you dig the sound
May 19th, 2009 at 10:55 pmHallelujah. I hope this is true.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:57 pmRealityCheck Says:
I guess he should have followed the rules and not tell? Hey…he knew what he was doing.
The “rule” is your right-wing crusade against what’s great about this country and those who serve it. I hear your party speak of rewarding hard work all the time, only to disregard hard work when the party’s petty terms and conditions aren’t met. The Lieutenant Colonel and thousands of others shouldn’t be shunted for pettiness for the benefit of bigoted basement trolls like yourself. Are you offset by his valor and hard work not proving your attempted rationale that gays in the military hurt unit cohesion?
Grow a clue. Get your “Reality” checked out.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:08 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
TexMex7 Says: Are you one of those trolls fixated on Ronald Reagan?
Reagan didn’t have as much to deal with as Obama does. There’s no comparison. The Bush Crime Family left an economic disaster, two wars, torture crimes, etc.
Ever hear of the savings and loan crisis, Iran hostage crisis and Jimmy Carter?
May 19th, 2009 at 11:12 pmI’m sick of hearing about what Obama did or didn’t do on DADT. He’s promised to repeal it, but he didn’t give a timeline. So, why are people trying to impose on him an artificial timeline that they’ve created?
Also, if people *really* want this change done now, CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN and/or CONGRESSWOMEN. They are directly answerable to you. They were elected to write and change laws. It’s silly that people are giving Obama so much heat over this, and not saying a word about Congress. Get Congress to change the law, and I’m sure Obama will sign the bill. Why are we absolving Congress of their duty to answer to voters on this issue?
May 19th, 2009 at 11:16 pmRP2012 Says:
Ever hear of the savings and loan crisis, Iran hostage crisis and Jimmy Carter?
The “hostage crisis” was conveniently solved just as Reagan was inaugurated. Funny you should bring it up. I know wingnuts like to make fun of Carter, but he didn’t hand off a complete disaster like Bush did. No wars, no broken economy . . .
And while you’re on the subject of Iran, perhaps you’d like to discuss the Iran/Contra scandal. You know, the one in which Reagan was doing favors for the Iranians in secrete. Or maybe you want to remind us about Reagan’s cut & run from Lebanon. Or . . . well, the list is pretty damn long.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:19 pmI also agree with other posts; they have centered my thought: Obama can’t do everything at once and he can’t do it alone. Where is the movement in Congress to keep up with the ideas of this president?
Also read today through katy that Senator Edward Kennedy’s cancer is in REMISSION and that he’s making a full-time return to the senate. This is … relieving and exciting. Add the eventual seating of Al Franken and this could prove to be a democratic majority too much for even blue-dog Harry to maintain his stranglehold on the status quo.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:20 pm1. The “saving’s and loan crisis” happened on Reagan’s watch.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:22 pm2. The “Iran hostage crisis” didn’t result in a war.
3. Jimmy Carter was, largely, ineffectual for a number of reasons; including his inherited messes.
My memory is a little weak on the DADT policy so please be patient. (I’m no troll as some may recognize).
But wasn’t DADT considered a major victory for homosexuals under the Clinton administration? I know it fell far short of gays serving openly but didn’t it end some otherwise restrictive military policies?
May 19th, 2009 at 11:23 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
——————————————————————————–
RP2012 Says:
Ever hear of the savings and loan crisis, Iran hostage crisis and Jimmy Carter?
The “hostage crisis” was conveniently solved just as Reagan was inaugurated. Funny you should bring it up. I know wingnuts like to make fun of Carter, but he didn’t hand off a complete disaster like Bush did. No wars, no broken economy . . .
And while you’re on the subject of Iran, perhaps you’d like to discuss the Iran/Contra scandal. You know, the one in which Reagan was doing favors for the Iranians in secrete. Or maybe you want to remind us about Reagan’s cut &
run from Lebanon. Or . . . well, the list is pretty damn long.
Thank you gummble-bee-itch!
May 19th, 2009 at 11:27 pm#35
#37
Not a huge Regan Fan, just saying that every succeeding president has a ton to deal with. Please stop making excuses for Obama, especially when he campaigned on the promise that he could fix all of these “messes”.
Hate to break the news, he is a sleezy, lying politician just like 95% of them.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:33 pmRP2012 Says:
#35
#37
Not a huge Regan Fan, just saying that every succeeding president has a ton to deal with. Please stop making excuses for Obama, especially when he campaigned on the promise that he could fix all of these “messes”.
If you honestly believe that every president inherits a major recession and two wars, you must have been living deep inside Cave Delusion for years.
Or perhaps you’re just making sh!t up.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:37 pmTo be fair, Mycelium, DADT was only praised by career politicians who were able to avoid taking a stand. It amounts to a claim of “I didn’t do it” for everyone involved. Personally, I have a lot more respect or those who say, “I did it, and I made a mistake”.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:38 pmRP2012 Says:
President Obama #44 came in after #43 President G.W. Bush the worst President in American history. No other President has had more to deal with since the Great Depression. We’ve run down the list of disasters so many times already that BushCo has left behind.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:39 pmYou are correct Mycellium; DADT must be repealed while leaving the portions intact that protect GL(BT?) people from inquiry and disqualification from entering and serving the military. Congress can simply repeal DADT as a whole and President Obama can sign a executive order leaving no gaps unclosed, or congress can do everything at once. I think Congress should be more active in keeping up; the senate more so.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:39 pmRantingTommy
Wow… some great sounds you have going on with the piano.
I too am going to itunes and buy.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:41 pm#35…..again
Yes Carter did hand off a terrible mess. His energy policy was fantastic, had block long lines at every gas station. Regan obviously had to campaign with the “how would you solve the iran hostage situation” so he had to deal with the issue.
You are right about not inheriting a war (except that pesky cold war)……so actually you are not right.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:43 pmpete Says @ 42
I’ve just researched a little bit. Seems like it was a victory in concept but a disaster in practice.
I clearly remember it being applauded when it passed though.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:44 pmRP2012 Says:
Hate to break the news, he is a sleezy, lying politician just like 95% of them.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:50 pm…………………………….
Yeah, the ones you voted for are just peachy. They are all lying sleazy corrupted folks. BUT. There are specific kinds of corruptions: They can love money, power, glory, popularity, security, and there are even politicians corrupted by their desire to be remembered for doing good things. Gross. Hope you all like that spin.
RP – careful, now
Don’t lump the monumental destructive tendencies of George W. Bush in with “every succeeding president.”
Did every president leave their successor to deal with a $700 billion corporate bailout program, for peter’s sake?
May 19th, 2009 at 11:51 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
President Obama #44 came in after #43 President G.W. Bush the worst President in American history. No other President has had more to deal with since the Great Depression. We’ve run down the list of disasters so many times already that BushCo has left behind.”
Yes, I agree GWB was an awful and horrendous president (time will tell if he was the worst). But don’t act like you have the magic solution to a long list of problems and then do the opposite of what you said you would…referencing Obama of course.
off the top of my head
Government transparency
3-5 days for the American public to read bills before they are pushed through.
absolutely no tax increases to families who have an income below 250,000…Cigarette taxes and the magic lowering of that numer to 235,000
Immediate ecomomic relief by forcing stimulus bills through that no one had time to read. No relief yet!
NO PORK!
bipartisanship
not nationalizing industry.
Anything I’m missing? I’m sure there is..
May 19th, 2009 at 11:52 pmAaronQ of Maine Says:
RP2012 Says:
Hate to break the news, he is a sleezy, lying politician just like 95% of them.
…………………………….
Yeah, the ones you voted for are just peachy. They are all lying sleazy corrupted folks. BUT. There are specific kinds of corruptions: They can love money, power, glory, popularity, security, and there are even politicians corrupted by their desire to be remembered for doing good things. Gross. Hope you all like that spin.”
Libertarians tend to shy away from corruption…that’s why they are Libertarians.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:57 pmI’ve never bought the Carter-malaise-boogeyman thing. When the right has to look back decades for affirmation of their talking points, something’s up and you should read into history.
Carter had his shortcomings and he wasn’t blessed with a great deal of managerial talent, but he was hampered by a federal reserve that had it’s own agenda and a 15-year cycle of heavy inflation handed to him, as well as a couple of previous oil-bust cycles. Despite the conditions, the job creation rate under him was 7-8 million. Reagan didn’t realize numbers approaching that figure until his second term.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:58 pmRP2012 Says:
#35…..again
Yes Carter did hand off a terrible mess. His energy policy was fantastic, had block long lines at every gas station. Regan obviously had to campaign with the “how would you solve the iran hostage situation” so he had to deal with the issue.
Your mistake is thinking that others here have no memory of reality, so you can simply make things up.
His energy policy was fantastic, and if we’d listened to him then we wouldn’t have the energy issues we have today. The lines at gas stations were a result of OPEC’s attempt to influence US foreign policy, not anything to do with Carter’s energy policy. Just keep making stuff up.
Reagan dealt with the hostages, for sure. He dealt with the Iranians so that the hostages would not get released until he was President. And you keep ignoring the Iran-Contra scandal. And you ignore Reagan’s cut & run from Lebanon. And you keep making up entirely stupid and false equivalences between Reagan’s first year in office and Obama’s.
Just keep making stuff up, because it continues to demonstrate how dishonest or ignorant you are.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:00 amMycelium Says:
pete Says @ 42
I’ve just researched a little bit. Seems like it was a victory in concept but a disaster in practice.
I clearly remember it being applauded when it passed though.
It was “applauded” by? The corporate media and those who were willing to accept ANYTHING in the place of the previous policy. It’s a BS policy.
I can’t think of anything much worse than demanding that any member of the U.S. armed services should lie in order to protect their right to serve.
It’s effing perverted.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:00 amRP2012 Says:
Libertarians tend to shy away from corruption…that’s why they are Libertarians.
What a load. Libertarians are just looking for an ideology to validate their selfishness and greed.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:02 amThe man has been in office a few months and has inherited unprecidented disasters. By simply repealing it, by military law it will then become illegal to be gay in the military period. It needs to be repealed and have the other laws adjusted as well. I do hope he gets to this issue.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:02 amMegaloptera McWars Says:
I’ve never bought the Carter-malaise-boogeyman thing. When the right has to look back decades for affirmation of their talking points, something’s up and you should read into history.
Carter had his shortcomings and he wasn’t blessed with a great deal of managerial talent, but he was hampered by a federal reserve that had it’s own agenda and a 15-year cycle of heavy inflation handed to him, as well as a couple of previous oil-bust cycles. Despite the conditions, the job creation rate under him was 7-8 million. Reagan didn’t realize numbers approaching that figure until his second term.”
Always comes back to the federal reserve. Same thing happened with the housing bubble except they artificially lowered interest rates.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:05 amI’ll even take the argument a bit further.
Many people think that it’s a duty to serve. That number includes people who are homosexual. Those who would block people from performing their duty could be described as “enemies”.
I don’t like my enemies. I do like those who serve to protect our country.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:08 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
RP2012 Says:
Libertarians tend to shy away from corruption…that’s why they are Libertarians.
Bullsh*t. Libertarians don’t want ANY RULES, so it’s not *CALLED* corruption. You UNCIVILIZED FOOLS are the *MOST* corrupt.”
You prove to be an ignorant fool with obnoxious typing time and time again. The Libertarian party wants the rules that were laid out in our Constitution….what a corrupt concept.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:12 amgummble-bee-itch Says:
RP2012 Says:
Libertarians tend to shy away from corruption…that’s why they are Libertarians.
What a load. Libertarians are just looking for an ideology to validate their selfishness and greed.”
Liberty and freedom are so greedy. Our Constitution is so greedy.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:14 amhttp://www.lp.org
check out where we stand before making ignorant judgments.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:15 amobnoxious typing is not proof of invalid points. But, Saying someone is smart or dumb based on the way they type does prove that you are quick to judge and possibly incapable of effectively refuting a contrary argument.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:19 amI’m am a believer that Greenspan kept the interest rates too low for too long and coupled that impact with encouraging “innovation” in loan products that spread the risk among the banking, insurance and securities sectors.
Problem is, Bush touted the great homeownership rates until all went to the crapper, then he and his ilk scrambled to reinvent his campaign talking point into Freddie-Fannie finger pointing.
I’d like to get back on topic. Carter has been out of office for thirty years. He’s been a statesman longer than I’ve been alive. He provided a jolt after a long, politically tumultuous period and has a middling legacy at worst. Let us leave it at that.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:21 amAll the trolls, including RP 2012, say:
1. It’s Obama’s fault.
2. It’s Clinton’s fault.
3. It’s Carter’s fault.
Wanna know the real stats? Here they are:
The Republican/Reichwing/Psychocristian party has held the White House for 28 of the last 40 years. They have held the House and/or Senate for 32 of those 40 years.
Given those stats, I fail to see how the Dems can be blamed for the foundational fallacies that have reduced our great nation to it’s current state.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:22 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
obnoxious typing is not proof of invalid points. But, Saying someone is smart or dumb based on the way they type does prove that you are quick to judge and possibly incapable of effectively refuting a contrary argument.”
Actually I did “effectively refute” his argument…. well his quick judgement.
“The Libertarian party wants the rules that were laid out in our Constitution….what a corrupt concept.”
May 20th, 2009 at 12:25 ampete Says: Yes indeed!
May 20th, 2009 at 12:29 amThat’s the foundation of their protests, Megaloptera McWars.
They insist on ignoring the failings of their own philosophy while condemning the failings of their opposition.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:29 am#
pete Says:
All the trolls, including RP 2012, say:
1. It’s Obama’s fault.
2. It’s Clinton’s fault.
3. It’s Carter’s fault.
Wanna know the real stats? Here they are:
The Republican/Reichwing/Psychocristian party has held the White House for 28 of the last 40 years. They have held the House and/or Senate for 32 of those 40 years.
Given those stats, I fail to see how the Dems can be blamed for the foundational fallacies that have reduced our great nation to it’s current state.”
Actually pete,
yes it is Obama’s, Clinton’s and Carter’s fault… It’s also Bush 1, Bush 2, Reagan, Ford, Nixon and so on and so forth. It’s been a long 100 years of big government bullshit. Government is the problem they always are, always have and always will be. They want you to be pitted against one side and not realize the whole system is corrupt. One day you will learn.
I’m sure I’ve made that point clear here many times before, even on this particular issue.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:32 amThe “Libertarian” philosophy would be more appealing if it wasn’t founded in selfishness and anarchy.
Here’s a NEWSFLASH:
Selfishness results in isolation and anarchy results in violence.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:34 amRP2012,
You’re really desperate if you’re reaching back to the Clinton or Carter Administration. I laughed because (what are you? Libertarian or Independent?) you sound like a Republican. The GOP is grasping at straws and so are you.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:40 amJust saying…
pete Says:
The “Libertarian” philosophy would be more appealing if it wasn’t founded in selfishness and anarchy.
Here’s a NEWSFLASH:
Selfishness results in isolation and anarchy results in violence.”
Grand claims of selfishness and anarchy, but factually wrong. Unless of course you can prove any of the Libertarian platforms that our party is selfish or promotes Anarchy? Does that make the Constitution selfish and Anarchistic?
I can say ” The progressive movement is rooted in fascism and eugenics..” oh wait… that’s actually true.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:40 amRP2012, you stupid tit.
The reason that Mankind invented government, and the Greeks invented self-directing Democracy, is to improve the species. It’s an instinct.
Mankind can not survive without government.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:41 amFollowing the Constitution is merely a means of achieving a goal. I would wager that that goal is to promote the continued existence of the USA. Here is the catch, what is the definition of the USA anyways? The libertarians must have stances on certain issues and those positions are interpretations of the constitutional language. So are Libertarians just pseudo lawyers that are paranoid of traditions laws? Too bad we never had a president that was a Professor of constitutional law. Oh wait, We do!
The corruption of the libertarians in one a mentioned before: popularity. They found a niche and jumped right in. They want to define America on their terms and work to gain more followers. Politicians are not the wise men, no matter what party. The wise man stays at his house, and does not seek justification from others. Nor does the wise fear death, its what walt disney would call “The circle of life”.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:42 amGreat posts, pete. If the republican party could simply have ideology in place that works for all people and not just those who’ve been invited to the Christmas party for the rich, then they’d have business existing as a major party. But with the existing party, as the years pass and their detrimental leadership becomes more evident, they have even Nixon rolling in his grave. They have to stop breaking their own records.
Good night to you.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:49 amThanks, Megaloptera McWars!
May 20th, 2009 at 12:52 ampete Says:
RP2012, you stupid tit.
The reason that Mankind invented government, and the Greeks invented self-directing Democracy, is to improve the species. It’s an instinct.
Mankind can not survive without government.”
Really? Are you serious?
Come on, YOU “stupid tit”. Read before you speak (or type). Libertarianism does not promote abolition of the federal Government or the state governments. http://www.lp.org
May 20th, 2009 at 12:52 amIt’s very closed minded of you to make judgments and speak lies about a subject you are completely ignorant about.
Wow. The constitution is greedy. That’s a good read on the way out. The suggestion bin also includes “goddamn piece of paper.” The constitution is a big girl. She can take the jabs.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:57 amPentagon spokesperson Geoff Morrell said today that it has had only “initial discussions” with the White House about repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and President Obama has “not asked for the 1993 policy to be scrapped.”
———
Well, it wouldn’t be the Pentagon’s job, would it? Would it not be the responsibility of Congress and the Senate to work on a repeal of DADT? Since when does The Pentagon have the power to overturn a law that was passed by congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the supreme court?
May 20th, 2009 at 12:58 amMy point, RP2012, is that various “Libertarians” have used the title to advance a Reichwing agenda.
And? If I were ignorant I would not make a comment.
May 20th, 2009 at 12:59 amAny party that puts up Bob Barr can not be taken seriously…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:01 ambryan hussein do you comment on prison planet too? Just wondering. good comment btw.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:01 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
Following the Constitution is merely a means of achieving a goal. I would wager that that goal is to promote the continued existence of the USA. Here is the catch, what is the definition of the USA anyways? The libertarians must have stances on certain issues and those positions are interpretations of the constitutional language. So are Libertarians just pseudo lawyers that are paranoid of traditions laws? Too bad we never had a president that was a Professor of constitutional law. Oh wait, We do!
The corruption of the libertarians in one a mentioned before: popularity. They found a niche and jumped right in. They want to define America on their terms and work to gain more followers. Politicians are not the wise men, no matter what party. The wise man stays at his house, and does not seek justification from others. Nor does the wise fear death, its what walt disney would call “The circle of life”.
Here is the problem with this whole statement of yours. Libertarians are not picking and choosing ideals to adhere to as the Democrats and Republicans do. Libertarian men of faith support gay marriage, pacifists support gun rights, and drug-free citizens support the repeal of drug prohibition laws. It is simple, you read the constitution don’t twist and strecth the language to fit your specific Ideals and goals (as the supreme court has repeatedly done), you interpret it without empathy without bias and without corruption.
If you want to change it, you go through the legal mandates to do so.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:03 amThe topic is President Obama and DADT, RP2012. Do you have a comment on it?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:05 amWow, the libertarians are the greatest thing Ever! With a slogan like that there no need to even question their agenda!
May 20th, 2009 at 1:06 amHi Zooey
May 20th, 2009 at 1:06 amI miss you… Just finished somemonsterous king crab legs… I know, I know… It is just a butter carrier…
pete Says:
My point, RP2012, is that various “Libertarians” have used the title to advance a Reichwing agenda.”
I’d like an example. If you have one, which I’m sure you could maybe find one or two, it does not reflect on the party as a whole. Can you be intellectually honest just once? Anyone can say “I’m a progressive” and turn out to be a conservative and vice versa and that said person is a liar and a filthy politician not principled.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:08 amdbadass Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Hi, db. Kinda late to be eating, huh?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:09 amIf we are going to talk about libertarianism maybe RP2012 can explain to me how Barr is a social libertarian. All I see is another tax whiner…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:11 amNever too late for eating Zooey:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am@0 # yukon golds, 8 leeks, a couple of # of shrimp, 3 bunches cilantro, the crab, some onions. It never ends….
School out?
#59 pete Says:
I’ll even take the argument a bit further.
Many people think that it’s a duty to serve. That number includes people who are homosexual. Those who would block people from performing their duty could be described as “enemies”.
I don’t like my enemies. I do like those who serve to protect our country.
—————-
I like that comment best.
—————-
Isn’t the point of DADT to prevent sexual relations between soldiers? if thats true why are women allowed in the army. The army must think that Straight soldiers are better at controlling sexual urges than gay ones. Which I think is possibly the opposite.
Being Gay in the Army is like taking steroids in baseball: There’s probably a lot more than you think.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 amZooey Says:
The topic is President Obama and DADT, RP2012. Do you have a comment on it?
yes I do, be a man of your word and I don’t care what your sexual preference is, if you want to serve you should be allowed. I established that earlier and this has indeed gotten way off course as it always does….funny that you only call me out…. You political bigot you.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 amRP2012 Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Surely you don’t think I’d be reading everything you ever post? Your first comment wasn’t even on topic, f uckwit.
Now, complain about name-calling. Hypocrite.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:15 amThe sound of the White House silence on LGBT issues is deafening. Help? He’s not even offering hope. The repeal of DADT is small potatos. If Obama lacks the cajones to get Pelosi & Reid off their duffs and get legislation in the pipeline now, his window of credibility will slam shut within the community. What does it take, a massive drop-off in DNC donations to get his attention? I sure hope he has at least one gay advisor on his staff to whisper in his ear to caution against neglecting an important support base. It could cost him a lot – long before 2012.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:16 amdbadass Says:
If we are going to talk about libertarianism maybe RP2012 can explain to me how Barr is a social libertarian. All I see is another tax whiner…”
God…. http://www.lp.org
look at our platforms. You can’t be a libertarian without being economically and socially libertarian. Subtract the social freedom you are a conservative, subtract the economic freedom you are a liberal/ progressive.
And you obviously don’t pay very much in taxes or know anything about economics……tax whiner, what the hell? we should all be tax whiners that money is our earnings from hard work not the governments.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:16 amdbadass Says:
Never too late for eating Zooey:
@0 # yukon golds, 8 leeks, a couple of # of shrimp, 3 bunches cilantro, the crab, some onions. It never ends….
School out?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Yum. You could make some good soup.
Summer session for the next 5 weeks, then I’m free. You?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:17 amRP was just railing about name calling and insults, saying that doing it means the person is inferior. How quickly he becomes the fodder for his own cannon.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:17 amI notice a distinct lack of evidence in support of Barr as a social libertarian. I call bullshit . Shall I show you his quotes as to marijuana? Shall we discuss his desire for big government blowjob interventions.You are a pussy if you won’t take the challenge to show how the lame ass libertarian party can’t find a better flag bearer than Barr….
May 20th, 2009 at 1:18 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
RP was just railing about name calling and insults, saying that doing it means the person is inferior. How quickly he becomes the fodder for his own cannon.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:17 am
RP is very predictable. :-D
May 20th, 2009 at 1:19 amoey Says:
RP2012 Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Surely you don’t think I’d be reading everything you ever post? Your first comment wasn’t even on topic, f uckwit.
Now, complain about name-calling. Hypocrite.”
lol your stupidity always makes me laugh.
” I don’t read what you post, but I’ll comment on it anyway.”
May 20th, 2009 at 1:20 amI don’t remember complaining about name calling? I’m used to it by now, it’s good fun in my eyes.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:22 amRP2012:
I have read your words. I have judged you and found you lacking.
You’re not a “libertarian”. You’re a Reichwhiner who has claimed to be a “libertarian” because you know the conservative brand has, also, been found lacking.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:23 amI pay the taxes a single dude that makes just under 70 grand a year does.I have never pissed and moaned for a single second when payingmy taxes.Tax whiners fail to recognize that taxes pay for shit.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:23 amRP2012 Says:
lol your stupidity always makes me laugh.
” I don’t read what you post, but I’ll comment on it anyway.”
May 20th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Yeah? I’m not the one posting endless links to a moronic libertarian website.
“Yo dudes, we like to smoke pot and buy hookers, but fcuk the world, we don’t want to help pay for anything.”
May 20th, 2009 at 1:24 amdbadass Says:
I notice a distinct lack of evidence in support of Barr as a social libertarian. I call bullshit . Shall I show you his quotes as to marijuana? Shall we discuss his desire for big government blowjob interventions.You are a pussy if you won’t take the challenge to show how the lame ass libertarian party can’t find a better flag bearer than Barr….”
Well his name is Ron Paul but he ran on the GOP ticket. Barr is a supposed reformed republican and he wasn’t very popular among many Libertarians. Funny he is actually a lobbyist for the marijuana policy project.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:27 amNice scarlet tanager today pete…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:28 amignorant fool
You political bigot you
Okay thats all I could find.
But you do ask a butt load of rhetorical questions. so thats insulting to my intelligence.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:28 amSigh…
We don’t even have a worthy troll. So? I must bid all of you good people G’night. You too, trolls.
But? In case you missed it, Jesse Ventura totally owned Sean Hannity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/jesse-ventura-gets-in-the_n_205146.html
May 20th, 2009 at 1:29 ampete we play Whack-a-Troll ™ with the trolls TP scrapes off their windshield, not the trolls we’d like.
Goodnight. :)
May 20th, 2009 at 1:31 ampete Says:
RP2012:
I have read your words. I have judged you and found you lacking.
You’re not a “libertarian”. You’re a Reichwhiner who has claimed to be a “libertarian” because you know the conservative brand has, also, been found lacking.”
Oh my GOD…. Pete has figured out someone he has never met! Please, you bring me into your circular arguments and try to deflect the issue with useless non-sense. You don’t know me and I don’t know you so don’t tell me what I am or am not. You can also never seem to provide examples to your claims… so I’ll throw the challenge out there again.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:32 amFunny he claimed that civilized countries were under attack by drug proponents seeking to enslave citizens.
If so many libertarians didn’t dig Barr, how did he secure their nomination?
Seems these folks are sort of unorganized and confused as to what and who they are…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:33 amdbadass Says:
Nice scarlet tanager today pete…
Sweet! One of my favorites.
The local lilacs are blooming so I’m gonna go hunting for morels in the next few days. Yum!
May 20th, 2009 at 1:34 ampete:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 amI didn’t harvest them myself and I forget to list them in my earlier freegan list but I scored about 2 pounds of fiddleheads tonight. Morels have been scarce here. Very dry still…
RP2012 Says:
Oh my GOD…. Pete has figured out someone he has never met! And a bunch of other shit not worth reading…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Why not? You seem to think you have us figured out. All we can go on is the stupid shit you post here.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 amdbadass Says:
Funny he claimed that civilized countries were under attack by drug proponents seeking to enslave citizens.
If so many libertarians didn’t dig Barr, how did he secure their nomination?
Seems these folks are sort of unorganized and confused as to what and who they are…”
Remember Hilary and Obama? You Disorganized democrats!
leaving now
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 amleaving now?
Weak….
Libertarians are lame….
May 20th, 2009 at 1:39 amRP2012 Says:
leaving now
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Bye.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:40 amI hate how RP makes one comment about DADT thats merely that he is against it. Then he goes on to post 20 more time spamming about libertarians.
This is what a point about DADT would look like incase Rp didn’t know:
DADT is still better than the other choice of “no gays in the military.” But not as good as the other 2 choices. An army made of openly gay and openly straights. Or an army divided into 3 groups straights, gays and bisexuals. If DADT was repealed it could mean that homophobes might not enlist, and I really wants homophobes to get the opportunity to get blown up just like everyone else.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:42 amSo Z can you tuck me in when you are done with the tax whiner?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:42 amBTW, Obama ran one of the most efficient and organized campaigns ever.
Suck it, troll.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:42 amdbadass Says:
So Z can you tuck me in when you are done with the tax whiner?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:42 am
He ran away in a snit. :D
Wipe that butter off your chin, so it doesn’t get on your blankie…
May 20th, 2009 at 1:45 am.
Dear Trolls,
Remember, “Zero hour” was translated 24 hours too late because of DADT. Need we keep this sh!t up?
.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:47 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
This is what a point about DADT would look like incase Rp didn’t know:
DADT is still better than the other choice of “no gays in the military.” But not as good as the other 2 choices. An army made of openly gay and openly straights. Or an army divided into 3 groups straights, gays and bisexuals. If DADT was repealed it could mean that homophobes might not enlist, and I really wants homophobes to get the opportunity to get blown up just like everyone else.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Excellent. :D
May 20th, 2009 at 1:47 ammax whats this zero hour you speak of? from rocket man?
May 20th, 2009 at 1:48 amCome 2012, there will still be DADT + 150,000 troops + Blackwater (Xe) = occupation in Iraq. Mark my word.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:52 amYou’ll just be being told, “Iraq is just not that important anymore.”
Like Hell it’s not.”
Let’s face it: the man is not a Democrat. :(
I knew we were screwed during the primaries, when the favored technqiue of Obama supporters was to call their fellow Democrats racists.
Since this is something no Democrat would ever do, I knew then that the Party had fallen into the wrong hands.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:19 amGive President Obama a chance, he can’t do everything in 100+ days. He has under 4 yrs to follow through with his promises.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:27 amI saw that pentagon guy on tv stating DADT answers/speech. He was down right angry and rude in his deliverance.
All these trollS on here dissing President Obama is making me sick.
JHC!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:41 amAll you naysayers can go to hell!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:42 amWhat will happen if our young people and those currently in our military who want to come home from Iraq start saying, “Yep. I’m gay. I love men. I want to give you a blow job!”? Huh? I think that’s the time when the Obama Administration and the Pentagon will change it’s tune. They will have to.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:04 amI agree. Obama was handed the biggest sh^t pile in the history of sh^t piles, so it’s going to take some time for him to work through it. Naturally.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:05 amSo how will the military treat transgender, post and pre opt people? There’s a lot to be considered.
It’s going to be hard to be fair to everybody especially when gays and lesbians are opened about including the above people.
A lot of “straight” couples are usually in the closet when it comes to being the above.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:48 amKayInMaine Says:
#
#
Game of Life Says:
Give President Obama a chance, he can’t do everything in 100+ days. He has under 4 yrs to follow through with his promises.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I agree. Obama was handed the biggest sh^t pile in the history of sh^t piles, so it’s going to take some time for him to work through it. Naturally.
Thank you.
And around every corner is more of chimpy’s legacy.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:56 amAs much as the GOP has gone completely off the deep end with the mere act of ELECTING Obama, much less the obtuse insanity with his proposals, I’ll file this under “one step at a time” with regards to righting the ship sensibly and effectively, without sending them into batshit fcuking ballistic mode (i.e. criminally dangerous).
May 20th, 2009 at 8:33 amOne thing I have noticed, is we are all assuming Obama isn’t doing anything concerning DADT. We didn’t hear shit about cafe standards until he came out, and it was done. He seems to keep a lot of things close to the vest, until its time to unveil it. Don’t be suprised if all of sudden he has a answer to DADT.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:00 amSend your comments on how President Obama is not honoring his LGBT campaign promises here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Please be respectful when communicating to the President. We can make change if enough of us speak up.
May 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmObama, The War President and his empty rhetoric…
End the Wars and illegal occupations now!
Universal health care now!
Prosecution now!
Obama is moving backwards and pretending to move forward…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pmObama can flat out deliver rhetoric.
Teknoloji
May 21st, 2009 at 5:25 amYou think so?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm