Comments on: Decorated fighter pilot fought DADT discharge hoping Obama would end the policy.

By: Sheepdog

Sheepdog — Thu, 21 May 2009 17:44:25 +0000

Does anybody go to work in the civilian world and have to listen to their co-workers mention, talk about, bring up their gay lifestyle. Last I checked, everybody on this site believes what you believe/lifestyle choice has no bearing on how well you do your job RIGHT? So if I go to work and the majority of you here don’t want to hear about somebody believing in GOD, I likewise don’t want to go to work and here about your Gay lifestyle. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. LETS APPLY AN EQUAL STANDARD HERE!!! Let’s just go to work and talk about work and nobody has to irritate each other about what they believe in or do outside of work. Why would the GAY agenda get more consideration than anything else. Why is the choice about what you do with your genitals outside of work so important to me at work? Does any workplace become more productive because GAYS wanna be loud and proud? Church get in the closet/ GAYS come on out of the closet. DON’T ASK DON’T TELL WORKS WELL because the average soldier only cares if you can do the job.

By: Democrat Soldier

Democrat Soldier — Thu, 21 May 2009 13:23:36 +0000

#28 – wiley Says:
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“Desegregation and the integration of women into the military was pretty much the brainchild of military leaders.”

May 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Wiley, this is not true. It took an executive order to desegregate the military, Executive Order 9981 by President Harry S Truman.

By: Max Anax junius -1

Max Anax junius -1 — Thu, 21 May 2009 04:47:20 +0000

Dear proud @#19,
Please don’t make have to recommend you.

By: wiley

wiley — Thu, 21 May 2009 02:15:32 +0000

On top of those lowered standards, we have burnout and injuries from three or more consecutive combat tours. Our military is in need of reform all the way around.

By: Greytdog

Greytdog — Thu, 21 May 2009 01:36:04 +0000

The DoD “lowered” their recruiting standards thereby allowing convicted felons (criminal assault, armed robbery, etc) to serve in the armed forces. . .but an 18 year war veteran & fighter pilot is being dishonorably discharged because he’s gay??? Is this the military version of no child left behind?

By: kdgamergirl

kdgamergirl — Thu, 21 May 2009 01:11:24 +0000

Actually, incidents of sexual harassment by males upon women happen a LOT more often than either women harassing men or of same-sex harassment. Remember Tailhook?

yeah I do. There is a reason why we couldn’t “fraternize” with men when on ships. It happens a lot more than one would be lead to think.

By: Wayne Ant Schneider

Wayne Ant Schneider — Wed, 20 May 2009 23:05:26 +0000

Just out of curiosity, suppose that instead of banning gay people from serving in the military (and make no mistake, DADT is a ban on gays in the military no matter how its supporters twist it), we banned homophobes, xenophobes, racists and bigots from serving. Would we be kicking even more of those type of people out than we did gays under DADT? If so, then we may have an even bigger problem on our hands that we are not addressing.

By: Wayne Ant Schneider

Wayne Ant Schneider — Wed, 20 May 2009 23:03:20 +0000

Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach,

Thank you for your service to our country. I, for one, would have been proud to serve in your command. DADT is a horrible, bigoted, and unnecessary policy. The ONLY ones who want to see it in place are the ones who have an irrational fear of gay people. They should not be allowed to win the debate.

By: Wayne Ant Schneider

Wayne Ant Schneider — Wed, 20 May 2009 22:53:54 +0000

kdgamergirl Says:

Has there ever been an incident of sexual harrassment of same sex in the military? I have never heard of that happening.
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yes it does happen just as it happens with men to female or female to male harassment. You probably just don’t hear it reported basically.

Actually, incidents of sexual harassment by males upon women happen a LOT more often than either women harassing men or of same-sex harassment. Remember Tailhook?

By: happycozy

happycozy — Wed, 20 May 2009 22:45:40 +0000

Obama’s been in office exactly four months. He’s done more in that time than Bush did in eight years. Obama’s got another 3 1/2 years left before his term ends. Could we at least wait until then to accuse him of breaking his campaign promise on DADT? The man’s not the Messiah.

By: Rodeskawler

Rodeskawler — Wed, 20 May 2009 22:03:27 +0000

Obama is doing a great job of emulating Clinton. He makes a great Republican.

By: kdgamergirl

kdgamergirl — Wed, 20 May 2009 21:53:56 +0000

Has there ever been an incident of sexual harrassment of same sex in the military? I have never heard of that happening.
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yes it does happen just as it happens with men to female or female to male harassment. You probably just don’t hear it reported basically.

By: hadhope

hadhope — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:52:55 +0000

My heart aches for this man when he says, “I had tremendous hope….” It aches for him and all in this nation who believed Obama.

sarcapenapa says:” …psychologically speaking, love and hate are part of the same coin. He keeps on spiting on the face of the people who vote for actual “CHANGE” and the other side of the coin eventually will come to light.”

Sarca, thank you for explaining the intense visceral response that I feel now when I hear Obama speak.

By: APEC not OPEC

APEC not OPEC — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:40:28 +0000

Has there ever been an incident of sexual harrassment of same sex in the military? I have never heard of that happening.

By: wiley

wiley — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:40:24 +0000

democratic

sheesh

By: wiley

wiley — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:39:36 +0000

Because the military is not a democrat organization?

By: APEC not OPEC

APEC not OPEC — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:38:13 +0000

Why can’t they just let all the soldiers vote on this and then give the results to President Obama and then he can push it on Congress. Isn’t Lindsey Graham still in the Reserves? Through him out too then.

By: Zooey

Zooey — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:21:46 +0000

wiley Says:

When I say “President Obama will…make it legal”, I really mean, that he will convince others to do so (and get credit, like presidents do).
May 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

Waitaminute. If 9/11 was Clinton’s fault, does that mean when Obama repeals DADT, Bush gets the credit?
/snark

By: wiley

wiley — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:01:45 +0000

When I say “President Obama will…make it legal”, I really mean, that he will convince others to do so (and get credit, like presidents do).

By: wiley

wiley — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:00:25 +0000

Desegregation and the integration of women into the military was pretty much the brainchild of military leaders. I think President Obama will eventually make it legal for gays to serve openly in the military, but first he has to convince the brass that they want to do that and can. It’s not sufficient for him to pull rank.

The resistance to gays in the military is backward and silly, but military leaders reject what they perceive as political manipulation of military culture for good reason (at times). Allowing gays to serve in the military, IMO, and according to studies done on other military forces that have integrated gays, should not be a serious problem, given that the top brass is dedicated to making it happen.

If gays were allowed to serve openly, then the tide turned, and popular opinion were against gays serving in the military, and a president or Congress were to ban gays again, that would be a problem for the military.