Comments on: Fissures Grow In Right-Wing Business Lobby As Caterpillar Speaks Out In Favor Of Clean Energy Legislation http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:13:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: nygenxer http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5653932 nygenxer Sat, 23 May 2009 06:20:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5653932 Fast forward to 2014 when laws are passed mandating the retirement of all existing heavy construction equipment with newer, more fuel efficient models like those soon-to-be-built by the good folks at Caterpillar Corp. Fast forward to 2014 when laws are passed mandating the retirement of all existing heavy construction equipment with newer, more fuel efficient models like those soon-to-be-built by the good folks at Caterpillar Corp.

]]> By: hostreviewgeeks http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652879 hostreviewgeeks Fri, 22 May 2009 17:11:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652879 Caterpillar Corp. is a multi-national and wants business in every market, including countries with stronger emission laws, so this was the wise move. Caterpillar Corp. is a multi-national and wants business in every market, including countries with stronger emission laws, so this was the wise move.

]]> By: Proud American Liberal http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652647 Proud American Liberal Fri, 22 May 2009 13:53:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652647 So does this mean Cat is going to stop selling their machines to companies who use it to tear down the rain forests? If not, it doesn't matter much. So does this mean Cat is going to stop selling their machines to companies who use it to tear down the rain forests? If not, it doesn’t matter much.

]]> By: Perry logan http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652610 Perry logan Fri, 22 May 2009 10:02:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652610 <blockquote><em>"turk pornosu."</em></blockquote> Let's just watch our language, Little Mister. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNW4t_rcBxY" rel="nofollow">Da Banksta</a>

“turk pornosu.”

Let’s just watch our language, Little Mister.

Da Banksta

]]> By: cdwriteme http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652605 cdwriteme Fri, 22 May 2009 08:26:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652605 I wonder how many of the companies are playing both sides, like the health insurance companies. Say one thing to keep up the public image, but do the opposite behind the scenes. I wonder how many of the companies are playing both sides, like the health insurance companies. Say one thing to keep up the public image, but do the opposite behind the scenes.

]]> By: olepi http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652583 olepi Fri, 22 May 2009 05:08:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652583 This is fun! If you once allow a fact based argument, you may have to actually debate the issue on the merits. That means you have to think, and that will disqualify you from the Republican party. This is fun! If you once allow a fact based argument, you may have to actually debate the issue on the merits. That means you have to think, and that will disqualify you from the Republican party.

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652455 Xisithrus Fri, 22 May 2009 03:03:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652455 If one were to follow the link tectonic shifts they would see that some businesses are changing their stance on cap and trade. I dont see this as betrayal of the right wing. Its a business decision and obviously CAT thinks they will profit from capturing/storing/selling of carbon If one were to follow the link tectonic shifts they would see that some businesses are changing their stance on cap and trade. I dont see this as betrayal of the right wing. Its a business decision and obviously CAT thinks they will profit from capturing/storing/selling of carbon

]]> By: linkwray http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652454 linkwray Fri, 22 May 2009 03:00:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652454 Caterpillar Corp. is a multi-national and wants business in every market, including countries with stronger emission laws, so this was the wise move. America finds itself in a shrinking sphere of influence so this won't be the last story we read about "change". I hope we end up with more than pocket change and dirtier air but I'm not going to hold my breath and see what happens. Caterpillar Corp. is a multi-national and wants business in every market, including countries with stronger emission laws, so this was the wise move. America finds itself in a shrinking sphere of influence so this won’t be the last story we read about “change”. I hope we end up with more than pocket change and dirtier air but I’m not going to hold my breath and see what happens.

]]> By: Daddy-O http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652448 Daddy-O Fri, 22 May 2009 02:34:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652448 George W. Bush gave businesses like Caterpillar eight long years of tax breaks, de-regulation, refusal to enforce regulations, global warming denial, and every possible advantage over any consumer, labor or environmental concerns. I couldn't care less if Caterpillar is 'seeing the light'. It's all PR to these corporatists. They're no more green than Dick Armey is. They just know which way the wind is blowing, and are adjusting their sales. Sails. Mixed Metaphor Alert! George W. Bush gave businesses like Caterpillar eight long years of tax breaks, de-regulation, refusal to enforce regulations, global warming denial, and every possible advantage over any consumer, labor or environmental concerns.

I couldn’t care less if Caterpillar is ’seeing the light’. It’s all PR to these corporatists. They’re no more green than Dick Armey is. They just know which way the wind is blowing, and are adjusting their sales. Sails. Mixed Metaphor Alert!

]]> By: DoingNuance http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652444 DoingNuance Fri, 22 May 2009 02:23:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652444 The "fissures grow" approach to this story is a mistake. Instead of making Caterpillar feel like it's betraying the right-wing, you should make them feel like they are doing the right thing. "Caterpillar emerges as independant, thoughtful, right-winf voice." That sort of approach. The “fissures grow” approach to this story is a mistake. Instead of making Caterpillar feel like it’s betraying the right-wing, you should make them feel like they are doing the right thing. “Caterpillar emerges as independant, thoughtful, right-winf voice.” That sort of approach.

]]> By: vinylspear http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652443 vinylspear Fri, 22 May 2009 02:23:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652443 Diesels are very fuel flexible so why wouldn't CAT be open to to reducing carbon emissions. Fossil diesel is dirty stuff. The problem as I see it doesn't lay within the manufaturers of engines and machinery. It resides within the oil companies and their inability to provide better fuel products. They can do it, it just isn't as profitable as low cat crack fossil diesel and pathetically formulated auto fuel. Diesels are very fuel flexible so why wouldn’t CAT be open to to reducing carbon emissions. Fossil diesel is dirty stuff.
The problem as I see it doesn’t lay within the manufaturers of engines and machinery. It resides within the oil companies and their inability to provide better fuel products. They can do it, it just isn’t as profitable as low cat crack fossil diesel and pathetically formulated auto fuel.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652440 Leftside Annie Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652440 OMG!!! How unAmurkin of them!!!! /snark OMG!!! How unAmurkin of them!!!!

/snark

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652437 katy Fri, 22 May 2009 01:56:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652437 <em>will the NAM and other trade groups continue to lobby and fund ads opposing this legislation, or will member corporations find more relevant trade groups that will advance their interests in Washington?</em> REALLY! what IS it with the "opposition" of the inevitable??? what a waste of dollars hiring lobbyists to lie and cheat... ... will the NAM and other trade groups continue to lobby and fund ads opposing this legislation, or will member corporations find more relevant trade groups that will advance their interests in Washington?

REALLY!
what IS it with the “opposition” of the inevitable???
what a waste of dollars hiring lobbyists to lie and cheat…
…

]]> By: EdgeOnIt http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652434 EdgeOnIt Fri, 22 May 2009 01:50:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652434 "Fissures grow," said the Spider to the Fly! And so ThinkProgress.org sets itself up for one grand controversy! But to precisely suck out the optimism from the Caterpillar, of course, you had to experience the meeting, first hand, right!?" “Fissures grow,” said the Spider to the Fly! And so ThinkProgress.org sets itself up for one grand controversy! But to precisely suck out the optimism from the Caterpillar, of course, you had to experience the meeting, first hand, right!?”

]]> By: CB_Brooklyn http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652419 CB_Brooklyn Fri, 22 May 2009 01:18:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652419 <b>The reality of free energy goes mainstream.</b> On April 19, 2009 <b>CBS' 60 Minutes</b> broadcasted a segment on Cold Fusion. Not only do they speak optimistically, they also state the Pentagon verified the free energy claims! The <b>MUST SEE</b> CBS video and article are linked below: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/17/60minutes/main4952167.shtml" rel="nofollow">Cold Fusion Is Hot Again</a> 60 Minutes: Once Considered Junk Science, Cold Fusion Gets A Second Look By Researchers Why was this technology suppressed for 20 years? Why does Obama still suppress the technology? See here for answers: <a href="http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=60" rel="nofollow">The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression, and the Global Elite’s Agenda</a> The reality of free energy goes mainstream. On April 19, 2009 CBS’ 60 Minutes broadcasted a segment on Cold Fusion. Not only do they speak optimistically, they also state the Pentagon verified the free energy claims! The MUST SEE CBS video and article are linked below:

Cold Fusion Is Hot Again
60 Minutes: Once Considered Junk Science, Cold Fusion Gets A Second Look By Researchers

Why was this technology suppressed for 20 years? Why does Obama still suppress the technology? See here for answers:

The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression, and the Global Elite’s Agenda

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652392 Doc Rock Fri, 22 May 2009 00:54:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652392 My son, the patent attorney, has long favored CAT as a good stock to invest in. My son, the patent attorney, has long favored CAT as a good stock to invest in.

]]> By: Jim Wolf359 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652382 Jim Wolf359 Fri, 22 May 2009 00:45:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652382 Wayne Ant Schneider says: I agree Wayne. It seems to me from history, that Industry/Business have always had a seat at the table. But under GW Bush, it got completley out of control. Business, especially Big Oil, Big Pharma, ad infinitum were allowed to write the legislation at the expense of the health, safty, and welfare of the American People. Wayne Ant Schneider says:
I agree Wayne. It seems to me from history, that Industry/Business have always had a seat at the table. But under GW Bush, it got completley out of control. Business, especially Big Oil, Big Pharma, ad infinitum were allowed to write the legislation at the expense of the health, safty, and welfare of the American People.

]]> By: Wayne Ant Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652331 Wayne Ant Schneider Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652331 <em>With Caterpillar and other corporations calling for action on clean energy, the question becomes: will the NAM and other trade groups continue to lobby and fund ads opposing this legislation, or will member corporations find more relevant trade groups that will advance their interests in Washington?</em> Before answering that question, I would like to know why businesses have more say in the drafting of or nation's laws than people like me? Businesses are only interested in maximizing their profits. I am interested in the health and general welfare of my fellow citizens. Shouldn't that earn me a seat at the table? Besides, I cast my vote for Obama; none of the corporate members of the NAM even had a vote. With Caterpillar and other corporations calling for action on clean energy, the question becomes: will the NAM and other trade groups continue to lobby and fund ads opposing this legislation, or will member corporations find more relevant trade groups that will advance their interests in Washington?

Before answering that question, I would like to know why businesses have more say in the drafting of or nation’s laws than people like me? Businesses are only interested in maximizing their profits. I am interested in the health and general welfare of my fellow citizens. Shouldn’t that earn me a seat at the table? Besides, I cast my vote for Obama; none of the corporate members of the NAM even had a vote.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/caterpillar-nam-waxmanmarkey/comment-page-1/#comment-5652320 wiley Fri, 22 May 2009 00:13:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=41737#comment-5652320 Businesses have more to lose from living under a rock than Republicans do. Businesses have more to lose from living under a rock than Republicans do.

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