Liz Cheney Reveals That Fear Of Prosecution Motivates Dad’s Media Blitz Defending Torture
Liz Cheney Reveals That Fear Of Prosecution Motivates Dad’s Media Blitz Defending Torture
Since President Obama released Bush-era Office of Legal Counsel memos detailing the authorization of the Bush administration’s torture program, Vice President Cheney has taken to the public airwaves on numerous occasions, not only attacking Obama’s security policies but vigorously defending what he perceives (wrongly) as the efficacy of torture. “I’m convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of lives,” Cheney said recently on CBS.
In response, many in the media have asked why Cheney — someone who had avoided the media at all costs during his eight years as vice president — would be airing his opinions in such a forceful and public way. Indeed, Cheney himself has answered this question, claiming he is speaking out because he believes that torture and other Bush administration anti-terror policies — many of which Obama is abandoning — were “exactly the right thing to do” and that “there isn’t anybody there on the other side to tell the truth.”
In turn, media figures have answered the question in much the same way. “I think he genuinely believes we are threatened now more because of what Obama is doing,” MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan has said. CNN’s David Gergen said, “I think Dick Cheney almost has a Churchillian view of this, and that is somebody has got to stand up and be the voice in the wilderness.” But while the narrative of Cheney’s motives focuses mainly on the righteous, it has all but ignored the selfish — that Cheney is trying to muddle the public debate with the goal of reducing public support for a criminal inquiry into the torture regime that he authorized.
Last night on CNN, however, Cheney’s daughter Liz revealed that fear of prosecution is indeed a motivating factor in the former vice president’s current media campaign:
L. CHENEY: I don’t think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration.
Watch it:
Does Liz Cheney also fear that her dad will be prosecuted for his role in the Bush administration’s torture program? Perhaps so. As Steve Benen has noted, “Liz Cheney has been all over the television news” as well, with “12 appearances, in nine and a half days, spanning four networks.”
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Liz, I know you love your daddy but he is a criminal. Deal with it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pmUh oh…Liz will soon be spending more time with her family.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pmWell, here we go folks. The media blitz is in full swing.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmDeadeye is making the rounds because he has too. He knows he’s going to go down for this. So he’s trying to sway public opinion. Then he has his daughter go out there, to go to bat for him.
One has to really wonder wtf is wrong with these people?
Hi Zooey.:)
Just how does a kid deal with the fact their dad is a war criminal?
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmDick is shitscared. if you prosecute ANYBODY involved in the iraq war, all roads lead to his doorstep. there is no prosecution of international law violations without him being indicted.
dont feel so bad there, skank. so your father is a psychotic criminal. it could be worse. the former presidents entire clan including his father and brothers are criminals of the highest order. like i said, dont feel so bad. its almost expected for a republican to be a criminal these days.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmWho could give a more spirited defense than a guy with his head in the war crimes noose?
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pmRemember all those doors that would slam shut behind Maxwell Smart on his way into Control?
I have this fantasy of watching Liz push her daddy’s wheelchair through a similar set of doors on his way to prison.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 pmI was listening to Randi Rhodes today on the way home from work, and she quoted Deadeye as saying that Jorge signed off on torture.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 pmTalk about gettin thrown under the bus!
Hi, mudshark. Long time, no see. :)
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 pmWell, you know how it is. I’m lucky enough to still have a job.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pmHey, if you have access to my e-mail in any shape way or form. E-mail me. If not, I’d like to ask the site moderator to forward it to you.
Then please delete this comment.
republicans hate facts, you said That’s where the attack on Pelosi comes from. It’s where all of the UNSAVORY and IMMORAL DISHONESTY of the GOP stems from.
Have you been into a courtroom or jury duty lately and seen how people get cross examined? Pelosi is just taking her licks the way politicians do in public questioning. The questioning panel will probably take her out to lunch later. Why it reminds me of when Wiley Coyote and the “SHEEPDOG” clocked in everyday to beat each others asses and then clocked out at the end of the day. Nothing personal but when you take public office, you agree to take the heat, the scrutiny, the spotlight, the love and hate of your backers etc. Nah, Princess Nancy can take it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pmLet’s not forget the missing nukes, Cheney’s death squad and Cheney out there stating we may be hit again. Part of me says look out if Cheney gets boxed in…. as I put nothing past these criminals.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 pmSheepdog, you may be right but I take offense that my government is run like a Warner Brothers cartoon.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 pmYeah, I’d say fear is the motivation for Deadeye.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pmhad enough Says:
Let’s not forget the missing nukes, Cheney’s death squad and Cheney out there stating we may be hit again. Part of me says look out if Cheney gets boxed in…. as I put nothing past these criminals.
Thanks, that reminds me.
President Obama, would you please order the DoD to give a full accounting of every nuclear weapon in our arsenal right now? Considering how many times they were mishandled in the previous administration, I would like to be assured that we know where they all are now, wherever that may be.
Thanking you in advance,
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:30 pmWayne A. Schneider
My question is, how does she get so many appearances on TV? I mean, does she call up networks/hosts and say “I want to talk about my dad” and the response is, “Sure, why not?” Jeez, I should call up or email Keith or Rachel and say that I have a few things I’d like to talk to the nation about!
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:31 pmmudshark, just leave a comment on TheZoo (click on my name), then I’ll be able to see your email address. :)
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pmThe difference, Sheepdog, is that Nancy Pelosi is not in a courtroom. Nor are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, or Donald Rumsfeld, but if they were, we’d have a different set of expectations.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 pmI can’t log on to the Zoo. sigh.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 pmI screwed something up a long time ago and I haven’t been able to figure out how to fix it.
Trust me, If I could I would. I would have done it a long time ago.
mudshark, you can’t use the same sign on at the Zoo that you use here, even though they’re both wordpress blogs.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pmIf you replay The Dick’s speech without the audio, you will see just how paranoid this man is regarding covering his a$$ and trying to lie his way out of his criminal actions. He KNOWS that he will be prosecuted and he almost couldn’t read his notes because his eyes were shifting all over place.
The eyes tell it all and Tricky Dick knows that his days as a free man are numbered.
His daughter knows the truth and it’s high time that they admit it. He knows he’s a criminal and he knows that he will be prosecuted.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pmDick Cheney believes that anyone who opposes his views on foreign policy and national security are doing so for purely political reasons rather than out of genuine ethical concerns.
Methinks he projects too much.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pmNancy Pelosi knowing about waterboarding and Tricky Dick okaying it as policy are horses of a totally different color.
Besides, Pelosi’s briefing was classified and she absolutely COULD NOT UNDER EXISTING LAW speak about it and they knew it.(if she was even told about it in the first place, that is.)
Setting policy at the top which The Dick and his Henchman absolutely DID – and now even before it was approved by their bogus legal documents (ahem) – makes the case even stronger against Dicky and his subordinate, the Shrub.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pmComparing a congressman’s briefing to Cheney setting policy from the top is nothing more than a “FALSE EQUIVALENT”.
This was Cheney’s swan song. He’s totally “outed himself” before the american people and now the furor and explosion for his prosecution will be gaining even greater momentum.
Soon Holder will have absolutely no alternative but to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Bush & Cheney.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 pmFear of Prosecution…
SO?
If you can’t afford to do the time(or gallows dancing),
You should not have done the crime.
NUREMBERG II 2009
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm“Soon Holder will have absolutely no alternative but to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Bush & Cheney.”
From your keyboard to the FSM’s ears, blistex11!
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pmNow it’s become clear that Cheney waterboarded ONLY to get someone to admit to a connection which wasn’t there and he knew it – the connection between AQ and Iraq.
Cheney lied his a$$ off yesterday speaking about his only motive of keeping the people safe.
The safety of the american people was the VERY LAST thing on this Dick’s mind.
He knew that the next investigation for which he will be prosecuted has to do with “lying to the american people which resulted in an illegal war killing now nearly 5,000 americans” (5,000 war crimes tallied against Bush & Cheney).
THIS IS THE ONLY REASON HE APPROVED WATERBOARDING.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pmHi, Uncle Ho! I almost never get to see your comments ‘live’.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pmGallows Dick & Lizzy Borden – gotta love the daughter trying to save her daddy’s arss.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 pmHi Jane!
Usually, I’m logged off by 5-ish, but today is an exception.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pmHi Jane/Hi Zooey! It’s good to see you all again. Couldn’t find my old password so I went to the closest thing to my keyboard – a tube of blistex. Irreverence personified. ’tis your favorite beadweaver…..three guesses here…..
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:59 pmThis is fine writing.
The above quote sounds like a quote straight off a History Channel special on Goering or Hoess, and clearly you could watch an episode (like the one on now “The Night of the Long Knives”) and listen to the lives and ideologies of these men, and then listen to the arguments of Cheney and his family and not be able to tell the difference between the two.
For decades Americans have read and watched stories about the rise of the Third Reich, with their doctrines of torture, preemptive war and the suspension of civilian rights and asked, “how could this happen?”…..”How could the German people so willingly permit this to occur?”
Well, now we know.
It doesn’t happen in a day. It happens in a decade or more, of the slow removal of rights, the increasing of the power of the executive, and the slow and steady increase of tolerance by the people, for crimes against humanity.
It happens when no one stands up to men like Goering, Rohm, and in our case, Cheney and Rove.
And it’s not over yet.
If President Obama cannot find the courage to stand up to Dick Cheney, even after he’s been removed from power, then perhaps our lessons from the rise and fall of the Third Reich, are just beginning.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pmCheney’s death march and fear mongering makes me wonder if he’s planning yet another false flag? Anyone else concerned?
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 pmfor a season, they reigned like kings and potentates only to be found wanting. i swear i often think to myself, how great a dictator dick cheney would be – think seriously of that. imagine that he was robert mugabe, or rather he wishes he was mugabe – atleast possessed the same powers of state to be the law in his person.
for you can clearly see the contempt he holds any differing opinions and views – with a puritanical streak. certain names have described men of his make: puritans, inquisitors, conquistadors, colonialists, pillagers and rapists of entire peoples. much of society daily looks forward and builds on past wrongs yet this man is supremely medieval in his outlook – his torture schemes would make the inquisitors appear as green befuddled school boys
he stands out not unlike shylock – he wants his pound of flesh and nothing else. he, cheney, possesses that seldom found belief in his own righteousness and unlike shylock who was surely wronged by an entire people, cheney merely manufactures his own outrage. so he continually struts his medieval form about advocating for his ghastly deeds in hopes of convincing perhaps that remaining neanderthal among us.
but surely he must know that even shylock ended up regreting his absolutist claims to justice – for with the same measure you use the same shall be meted unto you. cheney boasts in his deference to the rule of law – yet is he willing to also accept the same parameters on his person. and now his daughter is the current flavor of the moment as she continues the family claims on torture.
if only a pound of flesh could be parted from cheney’s person for all the evils he has birthed. perhaps i spoke to soon – we shall see as…
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 pmwaynebro – I surely hope you’re not right on this one but I have to say that I am duly concerned about the overall reticence and reluctance I’m seeing emanating from BO these days.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pmIn turn, media figures have answered the question in much the same way. “I think he genuinely believes we are threatened now more because of what Obama is doing,” MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan has said. CNN’s David Gergen said, “I think Dick Cheney almost has a Churchillian view of this, and that is somebody has got to stand up and be the voice in the wilderness.”
Thinking and believing that something is right doesn’t make it any less illegal. Duh . . .
It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they prosecuted Cheney one bit. In fact, I hope he does get prosecuted. He is a disgrace and he disgraced this country.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pmVeritas?
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 pmHi Jane! How have you been? I don’t have much time right now but hope to catch you later on. I’ve missed TP and chatting with all of you.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 pmJane: you nailed me!
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 pmBlistex, I’ll be away from the keyboard for a little while, too, but I’ll see you later – you can drop by the Zoo, too, if you want.
Sorry for the OT, everyone.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 pmNope. It ain’t happenin. ugh.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:14 pmPresident Obama doesn’t have to be half the progressive president we expect him to be and he still has the cyborgs moaning in fear. Finally they’re desperate and feeling more subservient to the public than in their eight-year gilded goblet at the public’s expense.
I’m feeling it impossible that the Cheney administration will get away with no repercussions, no matter how many times Robert Gibbs peddles the “move forward, not backwards” meme.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:24 pmblistex11 @ 7:46 – no shit about Cheney on mute. He reminds me so much of Rodney Dangerfield; rolling the eyes, coughing, pulling at his tie/shirt collar, etc.
Cheney has a fear of prosecution? No shit. Tell me anyone on this board has thought anything else since Cheny turned into a talking head in past couple of months. He’s trying to bullshit his way past a trial. If he goes to trial, he’s cooked.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pmI’m out of here for the night, have a safe Holiday weekend.
Remember our fallen from the Iraq/Afghan wars.
They died for the Bush/Cheney sins.
Also, remember this weekend, our fallen brothers & sisters from previous conflicts. Even if only for a couple of moments at the BBQ or ballgame, or horseshoes match.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pmrosemorals – awesome post. A medieval outlook from this man, indeed.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmIn this high stakes Game of political Poker, Cheney’s ACE in the Hole is his contention that Torture/enhanced techniques WORKED.
He Claims that THOUSANDS of LIVES were SAVED by the information they Got from Prisoners.
President Obama, on the other hand , has claimed that he has READ ALL the Reports, and that Cheney’s Assertion is UNTRUE.
So… which is it/??
I’m sorry…but if Torture can be UNEQUIVOCALLY shown to have prevented a SERIOUS Al Qaeda Attack…and not some Amateur Hour Crazy Scheme ,like taking down the Brooklyn Bridge with a Blowtorch…. Then I think it will be Hard to get American Public Opinion to support Prosecution.
BUT…I Don’t think such is the case. Torturing to establish an Iraq/Al Qaeda Connection is more Likely.
We won’t really Know, until these Alleged Documents are Made Public.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmLiz Cheney only has half the story. The decision to investigate the Cheney/Bush torture policies is not a decision of President Obama’s. The American people are insisting on the investigations. The public is angry that the torture was done in America’s name. Dick did not expected the public reaction.
President Obama is playing this one close. The politics of this issue have to be kept at a minimum. The public has to insist.
Dear old Dick the patriot. I would like to also bring up the war profiteering Haliburton has been involved in for the last few years in Iraq. You guys shut down those investigations real quickly.
Signed; no fan of Dick Cheney the Traitor
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 pmright wingers are pussies and their support for torture proves it
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pmWe should start a progressive protest, similar to the teabaggers. But since we’re calling for the trial and imprisonment of Cheney, make it a bar of soap.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pmCould dizzy Lizzy please explain how people can be trained to withstand continuous torture.
Oh yeah, they can die. I doubt the 9/11 hijackers were trained to withstand torture.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pmFear: it’s all he’s got, it’s all he is. The man has lived in terror all his life: five deferments, the bunker, and married to Lynn. (Who he finally impregnated 3 days after Congress required married men to have children to obtain a deferment. What a frenzied copulation that must have been. Nine months later, out popped Liz — you can look it up.)
Now, he’s demanding that Obama torture, too.
He would like accomplices, because he knows he’s guilty. Hence, he keeps returning to the scene of the crime.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pmLiz Cheney is not just defending her dad, she is building a following to run for political office herself, afterall can we believe that she is being selfless, only motivated by love of her father?
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pmliz sounds like a defense attorney when she is on tv
hmmmm
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 pmI hope he is indicted. And I hope she is scared as well. Her arrogance over the last eight years while her father was in office, was disgusting. She was flip and nasty. She also incidentally has a mouth as dirty as her fathers. The fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.
She received a top position and verbally walked over anyone she thought less important then the daughter of the VP. This is one nasty family. Cheney is a very bad man.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 pmI hope the eventual prosecutor adds “attempted jury tampering” to the charges based on their PR blitz
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:26 pmLiz, your father broke the law, gather wrong intelligence information to start a unjust war by torturing people and above all things LIED to the US Congress. Your father’s borderline “treasonous acts” has put the whole country in jeopardy? Not to mention he branded American’s as “tortures” and now I’m suppose too feel safe traveling the world knowing your father and Bush made a complete mess? Have you been hanging out with the druggie Rush?
Liz, let’s not forget your father and Bush drove America to near economic ruins and you go on TV to say that Obama is being Un-American to prosecute your father and bush under the rule of law for breaking the law? WOW!!! Girl please, your EVIL Hitler-like dad needs to be locked up forever in a mental ward.
Liz, I wish I could throw a boot at you for being so contrite and asinine as well as cynical.
PS Liz, your father and Bush are two of the dumbest and inept leaders the US has ever had.
DICK CHENEY IS STUPID!!!!!
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 pmranus, while I appreciate your angst regarding the Cheney’s, I have to disagree with your assesment of their intelligence
they are very very smart. evil, but smart.
that’s what makes them dangerous
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pmliz cheeeney (she’s not married?) said: … that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them …
a. supposedly, the torture was stopped in ‘05, so that would be a bush thing…
and, if you think about it, which i did after hearing j.alter say it, that, if it was torture that was keeping US safe, and bushco stopped the torture, they were not keeping US safe for his whole second term…
b. i can’t imagine the terrorists had no idea about which torture techniques to train for… they’re not too squeamish about suicide, after all…
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 pmAs I’ve said before: There’s no need for gods or devils when we have Cheneys to show us what evil is.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 pmRantingTommy,
thanks for pointing that out and your right that does make them dangerous :)
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 pmwhat is Obama supposed to do? bend over backwards to please these republican pukes? its never gonna happen. like i told my in-laws. i reuse to please my mother in law because if i did, i would be the first person to ever do so.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pmThe Bush Crime Family should be held accountable for their crimes as well as accomplice chicks who are the reason some of us use the C word.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 pmMethinks thou dost protest too much
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pmblistex11 Says:
Hi Jane/Hi Zooey! It’s good to see you all again. Couldn’t find my old password so I went to the closest thing to my keyboard – a tube of blistex. Irreverence personified. ’tis your favorite beadweaver…..three guesses here…..
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Veritas! Welcome back, girl!
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pmLiz Cheney is not an authority on torture or intelligence gathering. Her sore credential in this matter is being the daughter of a psychopath, which is pathetic. Makes you wonder if we’re going to see Sydney Simpson on the OJ legacy trail anytime soon…
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pmEdit: sole credential. Although this whole thing makes me a little sore.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:41 pmI was wondering if anyone was still around. Zooey, no one seemed to be home at the Zoo.
Veritas, the ‘beadweaver’ was a dead givaway.
Back on topic: I seriously would like to see Jon Stewart have Dick or Liz Cheney on for another “You Don’t Know D!ck” segment.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 pmGood catch, TP. It has been driving me nuts that no one in the MSM is questioning Dick Cheney’s motives on this. As if, why in the world would we question the former VP’s motives on anything. The lying crap-sack. I think his motive is covering his @ss and tainting any possible jury pool he may face.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 pmBut the squirrels love to drag it around
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 pmI’ll Huff and I’ll Puff! Fear Super Chicken!!
Fred, get the super sauce..
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 pmDear Liz, he should have never listened to Addington.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pmWE SHOULD JUST IMPEACH AND IMPRISON HIM OURSELVES!!!
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 pmMy guess on how this is going to turn out is that old Dick(head) Cheney is going to “die” from a “heart attack”, be quickly “cremated” according to “his will” and then will be whisked off to live in seclusion with his old buddy Ken Lay. Of course we’ll have to endure the phony funeral and all the blubbering from the GOP about what a great public servant he was (absolute bullshit). But, the scary thing is that this time it will be Cheney giving orders to his PNAC crime cabal from a “cave.”
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 pmI think Liz knows daddy`s a war criminal. She doesn`t want to see him and his legacy die in a 8by10 cell though.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 pmThe miserable old man should just shut his lying mouth and move out of the country. I think all libs would like to see him tried and convicted in a court of law for his crimes. Unfortunatly in high profile cases our justice system takes a while to grind through the process. I dont think Dicks heart will last long enough for us to see justice.
What we see now are the twitchings of a body with no head. Sorry to be that blunt, but the Republican Party has no head. Different parts of the old Republican Party are twitching, with no organization. Way to go Rove!
The so-called mainstream media had better catch on, or they will go the way of GM. Try selling the public thoughtful programs, without the mindless screaming of the demagogues of Coulter, Limpbowel, and the ditto-heads; you might be surprised.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pmDeep in my subconscious lies this notion of a Special Operations Unit swooping in in the middle of the night and plucking one washed up former Secretary of War out of his bed and depositing him in hours later to the Courtyard of The Hague where he can explain his “policies” to the Judges there.
Just something that keeps popping up in my mind.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pmCOProgressive Says:
Just something that keeps popping up in my mind.
Do you, by chance, have a reliable history of clairvoyance? I hope so.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pmone washed up former Secretary of War
Wait, which one? There could be two that come to mind. ;)
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 pmAint gonna happen, not that it shouldnt, but it wont, sorry.
Cheney is not concerned about being indicted, I think, but being an obstructionist.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 pmIf Cheney wasn’t prosecuted for the torture, he could still be prosecuted for treason when he revealed the name of a covert CIA operative. Once a traitor always a traitor.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 amI think she is fearful that the results of the enhanced interrogation techniques will not be released. If they were released, her father would be vindicated for using such tactics that kept all of us safe. Let’s not forget that waterboarding is not legally torture. Don’t believe me, just ask Obama’s AG.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 amGreat… the more the Cheney’s speak publicly, the more recorded evidence they are presenting. This time Cheney can’t order the tapes destroyed.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 amDon’t believe me, just ask Obama’s AG.
the latest meme…
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 amWhat a bimbo. She gives blonds a bad name. A person can’t be trained to withstand drowning or other forms of torture. All she needs to do is ask John McCain what it is like to be tortured.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 amLet’s not forget that waterboarding is not legally torture. Don’t believe me, just ask Obama’s AG.
You mean the AG nominee who testified in his the Senate Confirmation hearings, “Waterboarding is torture”? That one?
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 amYeah, that’s the same one, Wayne.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 amThe world is watching how America is responding to the Cheney/Bush torture policy. The public is watching how our political leaders will deal with the Cheney/Bush torture policy. So far I have witnessed a three ring circus. The side show has to stop and an honorable and principled inquiry must begin. Our political leaders owe America. I am asking Think to initiate a petition to the US Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Cheney/Bush torture policies.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 amWayne Ant Schneider Says:
one washed up former Secretary of War
Wait, which one? There could be two that come to mind. ;)
Either would be fine with me. Both would be better.
Cheney’s orders, America’s SHAME!
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 amP.S. I would be honored to be the first to sign the petition!
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:01 amThis women must be as delusional as her Dad. Suggesting he is trying to portray both sides is ridiculous. He’s telling as many lies as he did when he was in office. His admin continually lied to the American people and now he’s trying to do it all over again. The worst part is their’s still 20% of the people out there listening and believing the lies. He’s a crook and he’s her Daddy so what should we expect? The man needs to be told by the spineless Republicans in congress to shutup and save them all the additional BS. They have a deep hole to climb out of and the continued silence by them just helps us out in the long term but really can they all be that stupid?
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:32 amWhat cheney is doing here with this whole war crimes confession tour is a risky legal strategy employed by many high profile defendants. I say risky because it has a high probability of failure. The idea is to proactively lay out, or admit, the weakest part of your case first, dress it up with the best smelling BS you can throw on it and plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the minds a potential jury. If the most recent polls are accurate, the mouth breathers make up around 21% of Americans. That’s 2 out of 12 not guilty votes on a jury that has to vote unanimously for a guilty verdict. That results in a mistrial and it’s up to the judge and prosecution to take it from there. That’s in a “normal” case. We still need a prosecutor to make this case. We’re still waiting.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 amblistex11 Says:
Cheney’s death march and fear mongering makes me wonder if he’s planning yet another false flag? Anyone else concerned?
*****
YES!! The media has been hinting about another attack coming. Wilkerson even mentioned it on Countdown last night. The rethugs have been acting desperate since they lost power and another terrorist attack is the perfect way to put a hurting on Obama’s presidency, which is just what they want.
On the other hand they may be fooling all of us. After all why is Obama continuing these oil wars? Maybe he’s being forced to? Do we really think they would’ve put someone in power who was planning to end the wars/occupations when we’re obviously close to getting the oil being that we’re invading Pakistan now? If Obama wanted Cheney prosecuted then why not just end the wars while he’s at it.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:43 amPPPssssstttt Liz, I don’t care if you are the daughter that likes d or the one that like p, makes no difference to me, you guys really need to stop lying, seriously. the buckshot klan looks like scared little panties wetting fools. And you played a big part in ripping the US to shreds too.
Outing an CIA operative, hey wait a minute…this is too close for comfort. cia and tortured, cia covert agent, cia chimpy hated, turd too (big hand in outing Wilson and Plame.)
I’m believe she is scared that the well will run dry and the the family name will be mud more so than pappy going to the big house.
Cry me a rive, murderer.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 ambuckshot has killed more living things than should be allowed.
buckshot has killed more people than Hussein. Let’s give him the same court as Hussein had. It’s only fair.
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 amWill some reporter finally ask Liz Cheney or any Cheney apologist how does one train to fight the torture tactics used by the US and the Inquisition and the Chinese, the Japanese, etc.?
You don’t!
You can’t fight the fear of drowning, you can’t thwart extreme heat or cold or their effects. You can’t teach yourself to be perky after being kept awake for 11 days. You might get a bit numb after a couple of hours of beating, but when the perpetrators resume the violence, it will hurt. And if you’re not a contortionist, the stress positions will get you eventually.
I bet the torture portion of SERE training is basically useless and is only used to show the trainees how barbaric our enemies can be.
Until Liz proves otherwise, even that spurious claim is moot.
May 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 amI could not fear torture so much feared I not prosecution more.
Da Banksta
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:50 amHey, 5-Glorious Deferments Dick,
You remember that crap line the Chimperor apologists used regarding tapping phone conversations of USA citizens without warrants?
“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”
Well, I am sure you are a citizen and a patriot, Dick.
You have nothing ILLEGAL to hide, DO YOU? DICK?
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 amWhere are the Cheney/torture defenders out there? Boehner? Bachmann? Cantor? McConnell? Crickets. The reason we see Liz Cheney on TV 12+ times the past few weeks is because everyone else on earth, except the Cheney’s, do not hold the Cheney family value of torture. I recall the GOP/Newt Gingrich outrage had over Clinton’s lies about the stains on that blue dress-where is the outrage over Cheney’s TORTURE of other human beings?
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 amDUH!!!!
You’d better shut your little mouth little Lizzy. You’re giving away Daddy’s little secrets.
ARREST THE WAR CRIMINAL!!!!
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 amwill someone shut this cow up?
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 amDon’t her appearances to provide cover for a criminal make her an accessory to the crime?
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 amMay Dick Cheney be waterboarded in Hell for all eternity.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pmREPUBLICANS INCAPABLE OF LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES
In order to gain the political power they enjoyed for more than two decades, Republican moderates and fiscal conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots and misanthropes) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional and vulnerable voters in order to WIN elections rather than LOSE them by being intellectually and morally honest. THEY SIMPLY DECIDED THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD WIN WAS TO LIE!
What Karl Rove, George Bush and Dick Cheney were all willing to do to WIN was LIE to the American people. And the only option today’s Republicans have to defend those LIES is to tell MORE LIES! What happens to a Republican when he tells the TRUTH? He or she is ridiculed by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. LIES are what they know and all they want to hear. The TRUTH is their ENEMY.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pmThis is not a fair interpretation of Cheney’s comment.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pmBesides keeping her dad out of prison, what exactly are Liz Cheney’s credentials? Why is she invited on the TeeVee? She is a GOP shill, nothing more – and they still want to hear the lies she speaks? I guess that is fair and balanced.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pmpksloan Says:
This is not a fair interpretation of Cheney’s comment
No interpretation necessary. Cheney’s words – and deeds – speak for themselves. Drag him to The Hague. I bet he shuts up then.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:09 pmHey Lizzy baby, tell your Daddy (the guy who shoots people in the face and ordered people tortured) that any argument for torture to prevent terrorist attacks is nothing but poppycock and pure unalderated bullshit.
Any police officer or detective or special agent with any experience at all in the art of interviewing and interrogating suspects will tell you the following regarding torture: it is illegal; it is ineffective; it would produce false confessions; and it is contrary to the ideals and principals upon which our country and Constitution was founded. Quite frankly, it is repulsive and disgusting, and stands against everything that this country has fought and bled for.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm…’Dear warden,
I’m just here to get my daddy out of jail’
He’s either defending himself against prosecution, or he’s making a run for the Presidency. What a great counrty!
StratRat Says:
Besides keeping her dad out of prison, what exactly are Liz Cheney’s credentials?
How about the cred of the root of the problem? Where’s the track record of good judgement? Where does his expertise in the effectiveness of torture come from?
‘No other 9/11′ = ‘interogation expert’?
All his defense is similiar to all the other things he’s been wrong about. Take ‘insurgency in its last throes’ as one example. More often than not, to me, he always come out looking like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
It’s funny, I bet there’s a way he’d admit to being wrong about everything going back to Nixon and probably being the real mastermind behind 9/11, and it would only take a few seconds.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pmThe Facist War Criminals Chenney should be facing an execution death squad for War Crimes! Millions of inocent people were killed or tortured under his criminal regime.
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pmHey Chenney! What an E-4B plane was doing flying over the WH on 9/11? Can you unswer that please?!
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmHe is absolutely diverting public attention away from the nasty fact that he made BILLIONS for his company, Halliburton. The real reason we invaded Iraq!
Blood money!
Blood money!!!
BLOOD MONEY!!!!!
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pmOne of the reason’s Dumbya diverted his attention away from the perpetrators in Afghanistan and sent our soldiers into Iraq was because “he tried to kill my dad!”
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmI believe Liz Cheney would say or do anything to protect her father, whether he is a convicted war criminal or just a war criminal.
If the bank manager writes a “memo” stating that stealing money out of the vault is not really stealing; is that still a crime?
“Hey, what’s with the ‘cuffs? Somebody declassify that “memo” I made up that absolves me of any wrong-doing!”
“My lawyer, who was in on it, said that it wasn’t illegal!?!?”
IMHO, if AG Eric Holder doesn’t go after these criminals for there criminal behavior, then he should be considered a liar for telling Congress that “No one is above the Law.”
Maybe Sen. Patrick Leahy should “remind” the AG about whoat he said, and ask him if he is familiar with the term “contempt of Congress.”
Of course he is expecting legal action. What the new administration does in regards to its policies and practices is none of the previous admin’s damn business. Just the sheer number of times he and Liz have been on TV just shows how scared they are.
They’ll criticize the Obama administration until they are blue in the face, but watch them scream like little girlie girls if anyone dares be critical of Bush.
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:58 pmWhy can’t we round up and fly the entire Cheney klan to The Hague just like GW Botch flew his Saudi Arabian OIL buddies out of this country right after 9/11????
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 pmI’m guessin’ Orange isn’t Vice’s color………as in-in front of a judge at the Hauge? This whole sturm und drang is just a smokescreen to try to obfuscate the fact that Cheney is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY of war crimes, along with his little buddy Dubya. And the Rumster. They can whine and scream all they want, and may get away with it, but the American people and the world know that they are WAR CRIMINALS AND WAR PROFITEERS and history will note that, Georgie, no matter what lies you write in your book and put in your presidential museum.
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 pmI don’t think Liz defends her father for partisan reasons, so much as familial angst. How do you tell your children that Gramps can’t leave the country, for fear of arrest as a war criminal? Gotta be the toughest moment in a young mother’s life, besides giving birth.
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pmPerhaps we can get the Montana town who wants to house Gitmo prisoners a different gig, housing Bush administration war crims, for the International tribunal.
Win/Win.
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pmcovered_10 says: ….plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the minds a potential jury.
I believe they call that “peeing in the jury pool.” And it’s just the kind of creepy activity Vice Vader enjoys. He has no morals or scruples………and this is the man the MSM plasters all over the TV…..I do believe they are in the tank for him…..is he giving them shares of Halliburton stock?
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pmDUH– Did anyone ever believe this was more than a 3 ring circus appealing to potential jurors to try to get her sick-twisted criminal daddy exonerated of crimes against humanity? She no more believes the crap she is saying everyday than Barack Obama is the first Mexican-Irish President. This is all political theater designed to let Cheney get away with the murder of over 250,000 Iraqis and over 4500 American citizens. We found the WMD’s but we don’t have the intestinal fortitude to pursue them. He, Bush and Rumsfeld are the real weapons of mass destruction.
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 pmlistening to him after the Obama speech i noticed the first thing he did was take a swipe atthe current cheif executive….then he started sounding like those guys on the video monitors when the detectives are about to put them away for along time….just didnt soundlike he stillbelieved the views he was spouting…..next stop The Hague?
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pmSadly it appears that fear of prosecution is unfounded.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 pmPresident Obama’s decisions regarding NSA surveillance, keeping open Bagram, restarting the military tribunals, and most of all continuing to lock up people without trial for indefinite periods show how much we can believe in ‘change’.
I had high hopes for this President.
Watching him stand in front of the Constitution that he swore to uphold while pledging to continue “preventative detention” was creepily Orwellian.
That the media (with the exception of Rachel Maddow), allowed this to pass unremarked was equally disheartening.
It seems that after all, he is just another politician.
I don’t think that Dick has anything to worry about from this administration.
“I’m convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of lives,” Liz Cheney said.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:46 amReally? Well, isn’t that nice you’re convinced. But where’s the proof? Or is that so secret you can’t tell us, Liz? Or are we just supposed to just trust your father, as you do. That makes you a nice daughter but a dubious witness.
So far, your father’s “War on Terror” has been nothing much more than a war on an innocent country. For oil, using “terrorism” as an excuse. You know that. And you should also know that your father made a lot of money on this war. Or don’t you know that?
Your father was a person who knowingly lied to the American public and he should pay the consequences.
To have fear of something, like being prosecuted, is tantamount to saying you’re fearful because you indeed are guilty of what is being said, not because you think that you are going to be wrongfully prosecuted~at least not in this case with the Cheneys. This is a good definition of the guilt complex! Cheney is trying to taint the jury pool, so to speak, and Liz is trying to act like his lawyer~
May 24th, 2009 at 3:35 pmDeadeye is doing what he did 40 years ago. He’s trying to skip out on being a ‘man’ and passing the buck to his daughter. That’s why he got those deferments, so he could let someone else fight the war for him. I’m curious why lizzie cannot see that.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:30 pmLike we could not figure this out on our own.
May 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmOf course he is scared. He lied to the America people, more then once, came up with the torturing of detainees, and probably bullied GWB to go along with whatever he said.
Crimes against humanity, war crimes and treason would all be good places to start.
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