Ridge: Cheney is wrong.
By on May 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Ridge: Cheney is wrong.
In an interview with CNN set to air on Sunday, former Bush Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said that he disagreed with Vice President Cheney’s claim that President Obama is making the country less secure. “Yeah, I disagree with Dick Cheney,” said Ridge. He added that although he disagreed with much of what President Obama said in his speech on national security yesterday, he also took issue with Cheney’s response. “It’s just the whole notion of a Republican vice president giving a speech after the incumbent Democratic president,” he said. “It’s gotta go beyond the politics of either party.” Watch it:
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That was the most bizarre thing about yesterday, having Cheney criticize the current President for having the audacity of making Cheney wait to give his speech on the TV.
What gall! It was like Cheney had been President the last 8 years and not Bush…. oh wait…. ;)
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:54 pmDuh…
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pmIf, at anytime it becomes ‘politics’ for an administration to not look at the illegal actions of a previous administration, then we might as well admit the US is about politics and not law.
Sorry, Tom but if crimes are committed or even perceived to have been committed, you can’t ignore it and call anything you do moving forward.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:56 pmSee Dick.
See Dick Run.
Run Dick, run.
Fcuk you Dick, fcuk you.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmOf course Cheney is wrong. Rachel Maddow sliced his speech last night and compared it to all his be very afraid speeches all the way back to pre-invasion Iraq. All he does is move some of the 911s and September 11, 2001 around. The central theme is the same. Be afraid, be very afraid, trust me to take care of you. Nobody else can make you safe. We do not torture but torture worked and we only did it three times and the information we got was invaluable.
Bottom line: Cheney is scared sh*tless.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmOn the other hand, Cheney: still scary after all these years.
Or better yet: He who rules by the fear, will die by the fear…
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmI don’t believe for a minute that Obama “just happened” to want to give a speech just before Cheney’s speech. Obama was showing the Dick who’s boss — and the Dick didn’t take it gracefully.
Heh.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:00 pmWho knew that chicken little was also superman, could cluck and leap tall buildings in a single bound, who could bray the sky was falling and boldly save us from it happening…
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:01 pmAt this point I’m beginning to just hope that Cheney doesn’t find a way to prove he’s right. He doesn’t seem to be a man who can handle being proven wrong.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:01 pmActually I think its Cheney thats obsessed, he has appeared on television more in the last hundred days than he has in the last four years.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm“Obama is looking backward, not forward.”
Not near enough for us, Mr. Ridge, if he were, Bush, Cheney and crew would be on trial for War Crimes right now.
By the way, that dick Dick is always wrong…
…he is a lying POS who allowed an attack on the USA for political and personal gain.
He is a traitor, and I believe that he is the one who ordered the Anthrax attacks on media and political opposition to his patriot act.
What a dick Dick is.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pmGee, Proud, you mean the VP who is actually VP? Or do you mean the ‘former’ VP who is out breaking all of the rules of political protocol by taking an active stance in criticizing an administration that is actually running the show with lies and fear mongering?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pmCheney should shut his mouth. Geez, i hope he is not going to talk about everything President Obama does for the next 4 or 8 years. But, he is off to a great start at it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pmRidge wants to be POTUS. Everything he says is colored by that favct.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pmIn my 42 years on this planet, I have never seen anything more disgraceful than the antics of Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz. Remember if you uttered a word of disproval about King George? The Feds would be knocking on your door. And don’t forget you were also labeled a terrorist loving, unpatrotic, ungodly, liberal, hertical, unamerican fascist. Ahh… the good ole days.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pmjeff2001 Says:
Cheney should shut his mouth. Geez, i hope he is not going to talk about everything President Obama does for the next 4 or 8 years. But, he is off to a great start at it.
Flagged for hate speech.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:12 pmCheney is just like every other lilly-livered coward in the Rethuglican party……talks a good game, but actually is just trying to cover his ass. If he were ever, by some miracle, (are you listening, Holder?) to be accused of the treason he has done (Valerie Plame revelation, war profiteering, lying about WMD, starting an unjust war, etc.,etc.,etc.) and brought to trial, that mechanical heart of his would explode the first time he ever got on the stand. He got 5 deferments from VietNam because he had “other priorities”—-I believe screwing up the government and shilling for Nixon were among them–and there isn’t anyone with the surname of Cheney who has ever served their country, at least in our lifetime. Cowards and bullies always squawk the loudest……and there he is!
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 pmRidge
Good boy now heres your treat now get get back into your doghouse and stop peeing on the carpet.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 pmTweedster,lol good job.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pmAnd don’t forget, It was Ridge who gave us the infamous terror alerts. OMG! It’s ORANGE today! I think I’ll go out a buy plastic to cover my windows! What a scam.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pmDear Dick, please take after Dubya and spend your time walking the dog, go fishing or hunting, enjoy your golden years, nap on the front porch swing, drink some beer, have a nice dinner at home with the wife and grand kids, take them to the zoo, go to the park, fly a kite, take a cruise, get a hobby, stamp collecting, tying flys, riding a bike, building ships in bottles, get an X-Box…
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pmProud Says: I know PD nowadays you have to be a Christian, Conservative, or Military Vet to be tagged as a terrorist, these are great times.
This Christian is tired of your lying, bigotry, and divisiveness.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pmProud Says:
I think you guys need to rethink your Cheney obsession, instead I would suggest you worry about the moron that Obama chose as his VP.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/05/22/out_of_the_loop_joe_bi
wrong link, i think.
:)
how old are you proud?
do you attend church regularly?
:>
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pmSuch an imagination…I know many christians and conservatives and even vets and they are not what you say or even talk like you do. They dont listen to Limbaugh or read Coulters, Hannities or Savage Weiners demonization words or books.
What is it with these people that they feel a need to stick their imagination on others so that they can rationalize their blame and hate of fellow Americans?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pmOT but on a related topic — Chicagoans will appreciate this the most:
Chicago radio host Erich “Mancow” Muller decided he’d get himself waterboarded to prove the technique wasn’t torture.
It didn’t turn out that way. “Mancow,” in fact, lasted just six or seven seconds before crying foul. Apparently, the experience went pretty badly –
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm#1, There was so much wrong with Cheney’s speech and the coverage it received, I don’t know where to begin.
That lame joke at the start set the tone for how low he would go. ( President Obama spoke on a ten page speech.) Former VP Cheney read a 16 page speech!!
Aside from all the lies, distortions, mischaracterizations, unproven assumptions and downright nasty, fearmongering by Cheney – why the media chose to give him and Obama a split screen throughout the day as if Cheney is on par with the current president was revolting.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 pmkasinca Says:
Bottom line: Cheney is scared sh*tless.
…of being investigated and/or tried. He’s defending the use of techniques that have never before been questioned. Up until recently it was a given that they were wrong.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pmProud Says:
joe cantwell Says:
Nice job Joe,way to change the link just goes to show how much you libs are afraid to admit that Biden is a complete idiot and if you even read the actually article, dopey Joe actually agrees with Cheney. You all have no need to fear Cheney, yet you continue to obsess over him. What are you libs so afraid of?
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how old are you?
do you still attend church regularly?
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm….
proud,
do you feel like you’re getting “small“?
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:38 pm:::
i mean really small?
…
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pmCheney probably drives people to drink. I
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmTom Ridge gets it. He knows that this is the “Cheney Cover Your A$$ Tour”! Cheney is destroying what remains of the Republican party hook, line, and sinker.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pmBiden must feel pretty secure in that bunker to talk of it Proud…
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmI think we need an investigation into Shooter’s drunken orgy where he shot his friend in the face if you ask me.
Shooter’s just begging for it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmProud is still a pussy I see.
What the scare dujour, Proud? Gays? Brown skin? Strong women? French fries?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pmProud thinks everyone should be a quivering little coward like him and his heroes
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pmProud, why is it that the US legal system tried, convicted and imprisoned US citizens for water boarding yet Cheney gets to brag about how legal it was for him to do it?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pmRight wingers are so easily frightened
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pmProud, we “libs” can rest easy knowing that we don’t get hard off torture like Dick Cheney and perhaps yourself. We are a nation of laws whether you like it or not and Cheney’s semantics concerning torture is not going to change the fact that we violated international law…
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pmIt wasn’t a bunker and it wasn’t classified, dumbass.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pmshhh…don’t shake Proud out of his cowardly quivering fear, he might grow a pair
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pmProud Says:
AmericasBack Says:
Vice President Biden has always reminded me of what our founding fathers were like. He reminds me of Jefferson the most. The man is definately a genius
Short Bus Biden tried to shut down the entire transportation system with his stupid comments, disclosed classified information on the secure bunker. Should I post about 50 links to show Biden putting his foot in his mouth. If he is a genius we are in big trouble.
***
you should.
it might help the republican party,
which is getting smaller.
:)
proud you could make the gop
bigger, more tumescent.
good luck.
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pmRaw Story.com has this admission:
Vice President Dick Cheney decided to speak out after learning that President Barack Obama might open prosecutions of former Bush Administration officials, his daughter disclosed Thursday.
Elizabeth Cheney told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that her father decided to speak out after he learned there was a possibility of legal action.
“He certainly did not plan when he left office to be doing this,” Cheney’s daughter said. “But I think as we watched in those very first days and weeks after President Obama came into office when he released the memos that lay out for the terrorists — the techniques we used to question them. Then when he suggested in the Oval Office itself that he would be open to the prosecution of former Bush administration officials including many who weren’t political appointees potentially, you know really, I think, made my dad realize this was just fundamentally wrong. We had to speak out.”
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pmProud Says:
AmericasBack Says:
I’ll start with a couple of links for you enjoyment.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2008/10/01/top-5-joe-biden-gaffes.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAzOIT4Ef8
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thanks proud, those were “cool”.
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmI think a comparison of gaffes is ridiculous in light of Cheney’s war crimes, ignoring of our constitution, war profiteering, attempts to redefine the executive branch and the role of the vice president, lying repeatedly to the American public about WMD’s, etc.
Please continue with the smokescreen of Biden though, there’s not enough gaffes in the world to not show Cheney for what he is.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmI’d much rather have a vice president that occasionally mis-spoke than one who actively worked to gut the Constitution in pursuit of power. Proud, you continue to demonstrate your foolishness.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pmBiden basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney’s analysis that the decision was taken “with little deliberation, and no plan”.
Except that’s not what he said, which is what happens when you go to a blog on a right-wing UK newspaper for the straw man of the day.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pmwatchdog Says:
“Out of the loop” Joe Biden says decision to shut Guantanamo was “like opening Pandora’s Box”
Biden basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney’s analysis that the decision was taken “with little deliberation, and no plan”.
This is the what happens when emotion, haste, and politics along drive policy.
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thanks doggie,
that was a “great moment”
in trolliing.
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pmThe reality is that it is completely unprecedented for a former Vice President to so publicly and repeatedly criticize an active President. there’s not obsession with Cheney. We can’t get away from him, because he won’t go away. While he chooses to still be in the spotlight, there’ll be discussion of him in the blogosphere and elsewhere.
Childish straw man arguments of Biden are pathetic, and even those are being easily debunked. You guys are boring at the end of the week.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm:::
proud,
48 more to go.
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pmActually, we knew that months ago because the Bush administration’s documentation was scattered, incomplete, and tainted, which makes cleaning up Bush’s mess all the more difficult. Biden isn’t talking about anything I didn’t know two months ago.
Then again, I’m not stupid enough to be a conservative.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pmObama is not looking back, like Obama said before Bush and Cheney left a pile of garbage that can’t be ignored. Every corner Obama’s turns their is a roadblock from the Bush era bad policies.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm***
proud,
check out
redstate, townhall, newsmax
stormfront, etc.
you know the drill.
:)
cut and paste,
cut and paste.
:)
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pmProud Says:
Typical lib responses name calling and insults, but of course no facts. If Cheney committed all these alleged crimes then why doesn’t Holder prosecute him. Where is this so called “truth commission” Cheney is out there speaking the truth and you libs are soiling yourselves over it. Idiot Dems can’t even figure out how to close GITMO. You have the control you wanted so badly so do something.
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dude,
the links?
:)
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pmHi Proud…
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pmTypical rightard whining after he gets whipped with actual facts for not knowing what he’s talking about.
Wuss.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pmI sort of think Proud’s last post might have been more effective if Proud had not felt the need to add the Idiot Dems part. It sort of defeats his argument as to insults and name calling and makes Proud look a little weak in the area of consistency of thought…
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pmHere’s the BS that Proud is stupid enough to think were “facts” in Cheney’s speech.
Stupid, weak, and whiny. That’s a conservative for you.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pmIf BushCo was so good, then why didn’t we get OBL? Where are the Iraqi flowers and chocolates our troops were promised? Where did freedom march to when it left our soil? Idiot trolls are flinging feces, trying to hide the truth of the disasterous Bush Administration. You want us to do something? Tell your fear-mongering deviant Republican Congress members to stop obstructing.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmI wonder how many seconds it would take for Proud to drop his little toy cow?
Another weak, whiny conservative humiliated in public.
[yawn]
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pmTypical lib responses name calling and insults, but of course no facts. If Cheney committed all these alleged crimes then why doesn’t Holder prosecute him. Where is this so called “truth commission” Cheney is out there speaking the truth and you libs are soiling yourselves over it. Idiot Dems can’t even figure out how to close GITMO. You have the control you wanted so badly so do something.
Made simple for your child mind:
There are many progressives on this site who do not support the actions, especially recently of this administration. Your simplistic conflation of “liberals” with the Democratic Party is embarassing for you.
I personally believe that the Obama administration is loathe to look backwards in light of the economy, and also for the political reason of losing political capital by getting mired in that arena. I also believe it’s for the same reason Nixon was pardoned, the political class in the U.S. has always been reluctant to punish its own for major offenses, and for the nation to face up to its own shadows. That’s all my opinion, but it’s an opinion a lot of people on the left have.
I completely disagree with the handling of GITMO right now, but we wouldn’t even be arguing the point had Bush/Cheney got the ball rolling of ignoring the Constitution.
It’s unreal that after it has been PROVEN there were no WMD’s, after it had been PROVEN that there was no Al-Qaeda/Hussein link, that you’d think Cheney has something truthful to say. You sound ridiculous.
Please stop trying to win debate in such a moronic partisan way. You don’t even have the brains to see that progressivism exists outside of the Obama administration.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pmGotta go. Happy and Safe Memorial Weekend to all, including trolls.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm…
proud?
proud…?
:|
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pmProud Says:
Typical lib responses name calling and insults, but of course no facts.
Typical troll mindless chatter. You’ve yet to post a single fact, troll, yet you whine away about “libs”. It must suck to be so completely impotent, Proud.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm…
i’ve got a link for you, proud.
but i don’t think you’re going
to like it.
:(
sorry.
…
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmSpeaking of fundamentally wrong…
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pmThis is my personal favorite among Cheney’s lies yesterday:
— Cheney slammed Obama’s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp and criticized his effort to persuade other countries to accept some of the detainees.
The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush’s second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates .
“One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back,” Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007 , interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. “So we need help in closing Guantanamo .”
This is why it’s so much fun watching the rightards hop around and say Cheney “won the debate.”
Cheney is just using you idiots.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pmProud, Im a human first, an American second. Address me by one or the other. Thanks.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pmRealness Says: I personally believe that the Obama administration is loathe to look backwards in light of the economy, and also for the political reason of losing political capital by getting mired in that arena. I also believe it’s for the same reason Nixon was pardoned, the political class in the U.S. has always been reluctant to punish its own for major offenses, and for the nation to face up to its own shadows. That’s all my opinion, but it’s an opinion a lot of people on the left have.
A great deal of truth in this, Realness. The problem seems to be it is hard to move forward when the pile of crap you have been left with is right there.
It isn’t politics to investigate crime and we can’t ‘move forward’ until we clear the way in such a public fashion that both the rest of the world and the American public are made comfortable with our sincerity.
Can’t be sincere and let our own dirty laundry clog the shute.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pmHmmm. Proud ran away.
Why am I not surprised?
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pmEverytime Proud puts libs or other pejorative in a post just change them to American.
Why does Proud hate Americans?
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pmI am tired of living in fear. If Cheney is right and we have another attack coming, why? I know enough about Islam and Arabic culture to know the vast majority isn’t into the ‘destroy the rest of the world’ mindset. Yes, Islam has its radicals, as does Christianity and I am bleeding well tired that these small sects are dictating the course of the world.
Here in the US, we have our own radical group who use their religion like a club. We are broadcasting American hate on every band of airwave, can we be surprised if there are those who listen to it?
The Crusades failed, this one will as well.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pmI completely agree Hoodathunktick. I think it should be dealt with by an independent prosecutor, but Obama says that’s already off the table for him. The people need to keep pushing for this. It’s not even credibility for this. It’s faith in the rightness of our laws and our constitution and the freedoms and protections therein.
What’s even worse, Obama mentioned in his speech that he’ll continue unconstitutional practices of prolonged detention or whatever new euphemism is being used. We are in need of getting back to what made this country great, and I’m seeing even a greater rolling back of constitutional values.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm“It’s gotta go beyond the politics of either party.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ridge, senior, highly respected Republican calling Cheney to task. I think his final statement is putting the Republican Party on notice. There are a few good Republicans left, and they are getting tired of taking orders from the old windbags.
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmGood going Tom Ridge, shake your party up!
ProudMoron
I think you are an ignorant punk and a stupid brainwashed piece of garbage. Far too stupid to even come close to contributing to any discussion an adult thought was worth having. You ar stupid, you are worthless and you are a punkass troll
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 amProud Says:
I know PD nowadays you have to be a Christian, Conservative, or Military Vet to be tagged as a terrorist, these are great times.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You are a liar and a fool and an ignorant piece of garbage
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 amProudMoron
Just go kill yourself. You will always be too stupid to be part of the dialogue. You KNOW you are too stupid. You only come her to vomit on the conversation BECAUSE you are so stupid. You have no brain, no decency, no self respect and no capacity for higher brian function. Just go kill yourself. Make yourself a Raid cocktail and put yourself out of your misery. You have nothing to look forward to but day after day of being so stupid that no one likes you no one respects you and no possibility of being a decent human being. Its time. Just go kill yourself
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 am