Senate Republicans block vote on Obama judicial nominee.
By on May 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 am
Senate Republicans block vote on Obama judicial nominee.
Bloomberg reports today that “Republicans temporarily blocked Senate committee action on President Barack Obama’s first judicial appointment, attacking the nominee for rulings based on separation of church and state.” The GOP, led by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), are attempting to challenge the fitness of U.S. District Judge David Hamilton of Indiana to be promoted to a federal appeals court in Chicago. Senate Democrats postponed a preliminary vote on Hamilton as the GOP raised objections to Hamilton, calling him “controversial” and “troubling.” As ThinkProgress has noted, Republicans have previously distorted Hamilton’s rulings regarding “non-sectarian prayers” in the Indiana House of Representatives.
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The party of the “up-or-down-vote” shows off its hypocrisy once again ……
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 amHow about the nuclear option, where they undertake a full-scale invasion of the judiciary committee and bomb away for nine years or more?
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 amWait, I thought that the Judiciary Committee was now even more Democrat-heavy since Specter’s defection. How are the GNOP able to pull off anything like this?
PEACE
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 amAs a Christian, I can accept members of Congress praying before a session. However, the Democrats should pray in their cars before they get to the chambers and the Republicans should pray while in their closets ;), as the Bible advises.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 amThis tactic will be used ad infinitum until the next election and it’s the only way jerks like Sessions can get air time. The media is helping the Repugs look like cautious parents but really there nothing more than judgmental scolds and overbearing bores. The Grand Old Partypoopers are mad because they can’t keep time with the new music being played. Nobody wants to do waltzes any more, oh boo hoo.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 amWhen Harry Reid gets through capitulating we’ll need 70 votes to pass anything.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 amThe repubs can’t do anything else. They have catered to the extreme elements in their party for so long that moving to a moderate position cannot happen. Additionally, the Dems, even when they have the numbers, have shown that they dont’ have the political will to play hard ball with the miniority party. So, why should the Reps fold on anything? They will always get some of what they want regardless of the logic of their positions.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 amO/T
Good for Nancy on standing by her previous remarks and affirming to people with brains that there’s no controversy. The lemming reporters are so eager for controversy, they’ll fall for the diversionary plot of the fringe right-wing minority. They’re so stupid.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 amLooks like the Senate Republicans don’t believe in our Constitution nor do they care to uphold their oath to our Constitution. They must have secretly taken an oath to Rush Limbaugh.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 amSo the Regressives were just fine with installing a torture enabler but block a man who follows the Constitution. Got it!
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 amThe Party of No strikes again. I really do think that someone like Moveon.org should start running advertisements branding the Republics as the “Party of No”.
They find him “controversial” because of his rulings on keeping sectarian. religion out of government.
If Reid would just make them filibuster on every issue they want to block, sooner or later they will cut it out. But Harry the Spineless is still caving to them the way he did for the last two years of the Bush Rein of Terror.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 amWith a racist, redneck, white-trash jerk like Jeff Sessions on the committee, what do you expect?
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:54 amSo that whole “up or down vote” thing the Repubs were so hot for a few years ago… they’re a little flexible on that now?
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am#6 McWars, good one, very true..We need to kick reid to the curb….Blessings
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 amTime to go nuclear on these worthless obstructionists. They are nothing more than Ku Klux Klan and reichwingnut maroons.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pmIt’s been nothing but baseless obstructionism since the day Obama took office. What a joke Republicans have become.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pmI’m convinced there is a congenital defect in republicans named Sessions. It’s the “scumbag gene”.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pmBe honest, did ANY DEMOCRAT really EXPECT a different result? We knew going in that the CONS would do all they could to keep any Obama nominee [even J Christ] off the bench and this is ONLY THE BEGINNING!
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pmThey should have to take an oath to the people before every session and pledge not to be self-serving.
Besides that, just look at the political landscape today, these politicos regularly get on TV and create controversy.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pmRepugs are only doing what they do best, throw fits and throw shit at everything Democratic. What amazes me is that we all see what they’re doing, yet they are allowed to continue these continuous spectacles of obstruction.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pmExcept for indulging themselves in this hystereical drama du jour, what do they expect to gain from a “temporary” block on the nominee?
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pmWhen will we hear a Democrat (listen up, Reid!!) say, we want an up or down vote, now! and end the debacle. Didn’t the repugs claim that the president should get his nominees – or does that only apply to a repugniscum president?
This is my first post in this asinine site, and I’m sure the fascists who run it won’t allow many more.
The moonbats in congress attempted to scuttle every single nominee Bush proposed. Now these bed wetters are whining that the GOP might scrutinize some of their picks?
Gee, how predictable…
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pmIn case you were wondering why the Pubs have such low approval ratings. ;)
If there’s a self-defeating tactic or policy, the Republicans will use it. If you try to point this out to them, they just look stunned.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pmActually, Goingtobecensored, you will find that trolls are allowed to post here unlike the rightwing sites you are more accustomed to. However, continuous posts like your pointless one today will earn you lots of flags and earn you a removal.
So you can do it yourself!
As for Bush nominees, I see you have a very short memory. Whenever a nominee was objected to, the republicans would rise en masse, and declare their indignance that the president’s wishes not being heard, then demand an up or down vote, and the democrats were summarily pushed aside, ignored.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm“Republicans temporarily blocked Senate committee action on President Barack Obama’s first judicial appointment
Foot, meet shotgun.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 pmThe moonbats in congress attempted to scuttle every single nominee Bush proposed.
I have two words for you: Roberts & Alito
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 pmObviously you’re used to right-wing sites where dissent is considered against the Rules of Use. But thanksfor recognizing that the folks who run redstate and freeperville are “fascists”.
In fact trolls like you post here all the time. Just check out yesterday’s Porter Goss thread in which utterly worthless troll jay almost single-handedly ran the comment count to over 250. Or the Cheney Torture thread that featured the stellar work of several trolls accumulating more than 230 comments.
Evidence suggests that your knee-jerk assumption about being banned is mistaken.
Around here, many of us find arguments like this far more persuasive when they’re supported by relevant links to objective source of information. Try it out. You might find it works for you.
You mean “bed wetters” like Joe Barton (R-TX)? Or do you mean “bed wetters” who point out that Republicans, when they held the majority, declared that filibustering judicial nominees was “unconstitutional” and now decide that it’s what all the cool kids are doing?
Indeed. We’ve seen comments like yours before, and we’ll see them again. They’re are regular as night following day.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pmGoingToBeCensored69-
Please explain how the “fascists” on this site won’t allow any more. Marie said it right: it’s red state and free republic that will wipe you off their site without a thought for dissenting opinion.
Your ignorance is an example of your misinformed ideology. You’re just intellectually lazy. It’s okay. It’s Friday.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pmThe GNOP continue to dig their grave.
In front of the public for all to see,they obstruct law making, senators from taking their seat and judiciary from being chosen.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pmWith Jeff Sessions on the committee, what do you expect?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 pmWTF?? ENOUGH!!! How the hell can the republicans block anything and WTF are the democrats threating the nuke option? SPINLESS!!!
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pmOf course Marie, I know your tiny intellect can’t grasp that fact that Bush had to resubmit 20 judicial nominees in his first term.
What’s funny to me is the fact that when the demand for an “up or down” vote came to pass, the fascists, I mean democrats (can’t tell the difference anyway) had no choice but to back down, because their objections were nothing more than partisan bickering, which they are now more than eager to accuse anyone else of.
Now it’s somehow a capital crime to oppose a presidential nominee, even if they’re a bolshevik.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pmI see “goingtobecensored” recognizes that his attempt to get banned is a failure, so he’s going to fall back on garden-variety insults and delusions.
Too bad we can’t get TP to ban trolls for being boring.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:18 pmOh, yeah………I say we need more bolsheviks. WTF! What century are you living in??? You and Michelle Malkin should get yourselves a book on modern political synonyms. Those ones from the dark ages and WWII are getting pretty tired.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 pmHey Ralph, Quite an insightful reply from someone who clearly rejects whatever facts challenge your program. Obviously, I’ve been here before, and had my “mean hate speech” shut down. I’ve noticed when I do catch the occasional moonbat posting inane rants on conservative sites, they get blocked after they make no attempt at a rational argument, but continue to rave about Bush “war crimes”. Incidentally, have you noticed that obozo is literally doing nothing different than Bush, other than transferring sociopaths from Cuba to Colorado?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pmMy bad……..I meant Michelle Bachmann…..can’t tell those nutty gals apart sometimes!
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pmYou’re obvious double standars are embarassing, goingtobecensored. That shows the real tiny intellect.
Also a sign: casual use of the word fascist and bolshevik. Yeesh. I think you’re brain got frozen somewhere around the start of the cold war.
And I’d like to point out: Bush’s judicial nominees were often laughable cronies with no obvious qualifications and completely transparent agendas. Harriet Miers anyone? At least Republican obstruction has to make an effort finding a reason to oppose and Obama nomination.
I don’t defend Democrats moves as partisan in the past, but I agreed personally with a lot of dissent because there was some seriously scary individuals put forth by Bush (that actually made it, too, sigh) that are completely regressive.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pmglogrrl REgurgitates:
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Oh, yeah………I say we need more bolsheviks. WTF! What century are you living in??? You and Michelle Malkin should get yourselves a book on modern political synonyms. Those ones from the dark ages and WWII are getting pretty tired.
Oh yeah… There’s no such thing as a communist anymore right? That evil Nixon killed them all I suppose. Please attempt to marginalize everything you can so that you feel better about yourself, rather than engage the point that your politics have caused 100 million deaths in the past century.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmWhen you produce some facts, let me know.
Let’s see… abusive, taunting, spewing blanket insults at TPers…
Can’t think of a single reason why that would get someone with your sparkling wit and sagacity, not to mention your obvious commitment to constructive dialogue banned from the community.
Somehow, other trolls manage to hang on and disrupt threads, spout falsehoods and delusions and right-wing talking points for years without getting banned. I guess you just have a talent for making people intensely dislike you.
Maybe you could help us out by pointing to the “rational argument” you attempted to make here this morning. Was the raving about “bolsheviks” and “fascists” a part of it?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pmPersonal attacks, check. Wandering off topic, check. Strange usage of terms from McCarthy era, check. Overall superior and derisive tone while supplying disproven talking points, check.
Lame and boring troll, check.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmOh yeah… There’s no such thing as a communist anymore right? That evil Nixon killed them all I suppose. Please attempt to marginalize everything you can so that you feel better about yourself, rather than engage the point that your politics have caused 100 million deaths in the past century.
So communism is still keeping you up at night? I like your framing of the real issue, too. That we’re afraid to engage in the fact that communism killed 100 million people? I mean I guess there are people who identify as “communist.” But your oversimplification is ridiculous, makes you look ridiculous, it’s almost difficult to address one point you’re weakly making.
I’ll pick one: Please tally up the number that have been killed from exploitation at the hands of corporations and the govermnest that completely follow the whim of its financial elite? How much is this number? How funny that you have such a funny exact number for communism, and no other number to compare it with. Please enlighten us.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 pmIt is sort of precious that the Republicans are blocking the nomination because the judge has exercised an understanding of Constitutional law and actually upheld it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:36 pmRalph, I imagine some grumpy old man yelling at those crazy kids to get off his lawn.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:36 pmRealness Says:
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You’re obvious double standars are embarassing, goingtobecensored. That shows the real tiny intellect.
Also a sign: casual use of the word fascist and bolshevik. Yeesh. I think you’re brain got frozen somewhere around the start of the cold war.
And I’d like to point out: Bush’s judicial nominees were often laughable cronies with no obvious qualifications and completely transparent agendas. Harriet Miers anyone? At least Republican obstruction has to make an effort finding a reason to oppose and Obama nomination.
I don’t defend Democrats moves as partisan in the past, but I agreed personally with a lot of dissent because there was some seriously scary individuals put forth by Bush (that actually made it, too, sigh) that are completely regressive.
Ok a rational arguement finally. Yes Myers was a total crony joke. What you might have missed, was that conservatives were just as loud about shooting her down. In regards to my use of “fascist and bolshevik”, these words fit. As a teenager growing up I was taught that conservatives were “nazis”. After study of the National Socialist Workers Party, it was clear to me that my liberal friends and myself were far more in line with nazis than any conservatives I knew.
So it amuses me to remind liberals that “progressive” politics spawned Fascism, Nazism, and Bolshevism and modern liberalism. Classic liberals like Edmund Burke would be horrified.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 pmGoingToBeCensored69 Says:
Of course Marie, I know your tiny intellect can’t grasp that fact that Bush had to resubmit 20 judicial nominees in his first term.
Your frustration is showing… you have lost your party and no where to go except the ridiculous put downs of others.
Where is your link?
Of course the dems blocked Gonzalez and that ridiculous woman with the mascara running down her face…. perhaps you were disappointed they were blocked.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmRealness, I think we’re dealing with something closer to a grumpy old man yelling at the Commies hiding behind his umbrella stand. It only gets him madder when others can’t see them. They’re right there! Hiding behind the umbrella stand, DAMMIT!
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmRealness Says:
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I’ll pick one: Please tally up the number that have been killed from exploitation at the hands of corporations and the govermnest that completely follow the whim of its financial elite? How much is this number? How funny that you have such a funny exact number for communism, and no other number to compare it with. Please enlighten us.
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YOU tally the number, you’re the one making an allegation for which there’s absolutely no historical precedent.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pmhad enough Says:
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Of course the dems blocked Gonzalez and that ridiculous woman with the mascara running down her face…. perhaps you were disappointed they were blocked.
Perhaps you were amoung the many idiots distracted by American Idol when CONSERVATIVES objected to these nominees.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmSo it amuses me to remind liberals that “progressive” politics spawned Fascism, Nazism, and Bolshevism and modern liberalism.
Doesn’t take much to amuse you. Especially since the first 3 examples you posted were militaristic dictatorship types who used invading other countries as a means of growing their power. Project much?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pmOk a rational arguement finally. Yes Myers was a total crony joke. What you might have missed, was that conservatives were just as loud about shooting her down. In regards to my use of “fascist and bolshevik”, these words fit. As a teenager growing up I was taught that conservatives were “nazis”. After study of the National Socialist Workers Party, it was clear to me that my liberal friends and myself were far more in line with nazis than any conservatives I knew.
So it amuses me to remind liberals that “progressive” politics spawned Fascism, Nazism, and Bolshevism and modern liberalism. Classic liberals like Edmund Burke would be horrified.
I’ll allow that many conservatives did shoot Miers down. But I would also state if you are going to parse decisions in the conservative camp into something more complicated, than I ask that you please allow the same for the left- which is just as complicated, full of disagreement and compromise. You do no service to any argument that you have by sloppily painting us “liberals’ with such a broad brush, using the words bolsheviks and fascists.
Your second paragraph puts you back squarely into troll grounds. “progressive” politics did not spawn fascism. It can be easly argued that it was completely corporatist and the logical end of capitalism.
Are you here to debate, or are you here to amuse yourself? The former requires some effort, the latter just makes you look like a jerk.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pmoops, opposite italics. ah well, you get the drift.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pmObama could put up Santa Clause or Jesus and these fcuks would oppose it.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:48 pmYOU tally the number, you’re the one making an allegation for which there’s absolutely no historical precedent.
Historical precedent? That’s a little disingenuous, and arrogantly sweeping aside any critical thought. I know many communist-identified people who’d say that deaths related to governments with the veneer of communism would not say that real communism had been achieved, possibly anywhere. Capitalism has been intertwined with imperialism and the fight for resources in many wars, has been the motivating factor of self-aggrandizing regimes for centuries, from the Opium Wars to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
You are not framing this argument, becaumse your framing is false.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pmOh BTW Mr “Realness”
Has it crossed your “mind” that the same “financial elite” gave barack obozo 600 million dollars to run a camnpaign against the Bush Policies he is now using?
Hello…. Hello….
Time to think for yourself now…
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmCensored69your politics have caused 100 million deaths n (and by the way, as a troll here, you will not be censored……..just debated. Lefties believe in Free Speech).
Proof, please. And you might examine the “kill” record of Bush and Cheney—4,300 American soldiers, 100,000s of innocent Iraqis in an unnecessary war started by lies, not to mention those who died needlessly during Katrina because Rummy couldn’t be bothered and Dubya was playing golf in California. And then there’s those who have died over the last 8 years because they couldn’t afford health insurance and Georgie wouldn’t lift a finger to help “because the market works” (Wall Street?) and finally, the USSR is no more….communism has lost its sheen. Imperial Amerika is now the threat.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm#
GoingToBeCensored69 Says:
Hey Ralph, Quite an insightful reply from someone who clearly rejects whatever facts challenge your program. Obviously, I’ve been here before, and had my “mean hate speech” shut down. I’ve noticed when I do catch the occasional moonbat posting inane rants on conservative sites, they get blocked after they make no attempt at a rational argument, but continue to rave about Bush “war crimes”. Incidentally, have you noticed that obozo is literally doing nothing different than Bush, other than transferring sociopaths from Cuba to Colorado?
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Do you have a life?
Does the pain of losing your party and the embarrassment your party has caused you help any by coming here loaded with mindless attacks?
Okay… I will be fair – name just one good deed your party offers within the constitutional for the betterment of our country.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pmI admire your patience and forbearance, but it’s pretty clear what the troll is here for. I mean, you don’t choose a screen name that predicts you’re going to get banned if you’re looking for reasonable debate.
The vitriolic and delusional screeds it has offered don’t really offer any evidence otherwise.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmglogirrl, your comment is way too asinine and off topic. You call me a troll? I am an OIF Vet. I was there, I know your stats are BULL$H!T. The innocents were killed almost exclusively by the same jihadist a$$holes “people” like you emboldened with your smarmy psuedo intellectual rants.
YOU endangered lives by insisting we couldn’t win. We did it in spite of you, and your moonbat messiah isn’t pulling anyone else out in 8 more months, is he?
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pmOh BTW Mr “Realness”
Has it crossed your “mind” that the same “financial elite” gave barack obozo 600 million dollars to run a camnpaign against the Bush Policies he is now using?
Hello…. Hello….
Time to think for yourself now…
Again, portraying your inability to think critically by assuming that I support Barack Obama because I’m a “liberal,” when I never made any mention of that. What i’ve been trying to beat into your calcified brain is that the left is just as much a spectrum as your beloved conservatism.
My brand of progressivism wants money completely out of the equation- out of campaign finance and an end to the lobbying by corporations. Many conservatives are with me. There’s a lot of people on here that didn’t even *gasp* vote for Obama, and knew that the “change” he promised would be watered down due to money and politicking. But one thing most of us agree on is that we are in disagreement with GOP policies, politicians, and ideology almost wholesale.
You look like your flailing for argument, btw.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pmHow does that mean you’re not a troll?
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmeh, your right, Ralph. Sometimes it feels helpful, like sharpening a knife on a rock, when you debate, but i’m a little underwhelmed by the responses.
my patience will either run out soon, or i’ll just get loopier and giddier because it’s almost a lovely 3 day weekend!
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pmRegarding our new begging-to-be-censored troll (stealing a line from Seinfeld):
That is one angry clown.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmGoingToBeCensored69 Says
Perhaps you were amoung the many idiots distracted by American Idol when CONSERVATIVES objected to these nominees.
said it many times here – I do not watch TV.
still waiting for an answer to my question… a very simple question:
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
If we wait just a little longer, Waiting will tell us our only salvation is to embrace the South Shall Rise Again Brotherhood, Lodge 27, Doglick, Mississippi and its call for a return to 1842.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmRealness Says:
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My brand of progressivism wants money completely out of the equation- out of campaign finance and an end to the lobbying by corporations.
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You’re kidding right? While I can agree that lobbyists are malignant to our society in many ways, how do you propose funding?
If it were up to me, people would not elect senators. All federal appontees outside the house of reps would be chosen by state represtntatives, like it used to be. I’m kind of a history buff, and no one has explained to me why that changed for the better.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmo look, special jay got a new costume
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmhis dancing is still amusing, though
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Regarding our new begging-to-be-censored troll (stealing a line from Seinfeld):
That is one angry clown.
Must be as a result of the daily embarrassments his party causes him/her. With the deterioration and demise of the goppers what are these clowns to do? If they want to come here and chew up posters hoping to help relieve the pain, I don’t mind. Kinda of fun to kick them around.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pmwell, we all know that trolls are a lot like slinkys………..
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:16 pmYou’re kidding right? While I can agree that lobbyists are malignant to our society in many ways, how do you propose funding?
If it were up to me, people would not elect senators. All federal appontees outside the house of reps would be chosen by state represtntatives, like it used to be. I’m kind of a history buff, and no one has explained to me why that changed for the better.
um, funding for what? politicians’ summer homes? lobbying in and of itself isn’t bad, which is why I qualified it with “corporations.” Corporations invariably look to their own interests, and not those of people. They are free to register any opinion they have for legislation, but the use of money to enact legislation that serves them should be illegal.
I don’t really know about the senators thing. I know that the long terms and all the money makes them all seem like BFFs, heedless of their constituents’ needs or ideological difference they pretend to have. I’m not entirely sure about state representatives voting for the senators, but I don’t think I’ve ever thought about the situation as a comparison of effectiveness.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmHad enough? You aren’t seriously engaging me on constitutional issues are you? Fairness doctrine censorship? Attempting to thwart the second amendment? bozo and his acolytes not reversing the patriot act, and maybe making it worse?
Stop smoking rag weed.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:21 pmTo GoingToBeCensored69:
You have referred to the Democrats as “Fascists”. While a full description of this economic theory is far too complicated to described in full in this post, there are several key beliefs in Fascism that stand out.
One is the belief in Corporatism which is the belief that large corporations are better at managing and running the economy than a government even to the detriment of small businesses and individuals.
A second belief is in Nationalism. Nationalism, as opposed to Patriotism, fundamentally states that your country is the best and can do no wrong, completely ignoring the mistakes made by that country.
A third belief is the promotion of religious faith. Historically this has been Christianity in Europe and South America, but any religion could be used.
Each of these beliefs is deeply held by the Republican Party rather than the Democratic party, which would mean that the Republicans are the Fascists.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pmThe change in electing Senators was enacted because political cronyism at the state level got out of hand.
We are fast approaching a time when we need to update the election process because cronyism is once again buying our representation.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:23 pmRight wingers are a very very fearful bunch
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 pmGoingToBeCensored69 Says: You aren’t seriously engaging me on constitutional issues are you?
I doubt it. That would be like trying to teach a pig to sing.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pmHoodathunktick-
that’s interesting. Cronyism is definitely big. But is there a difference between the money issue of campaign contributions and lobbying bs and pure cronyism?
And also- are you implying that we need to periodically update the election process because people’s tendency is to distort the system for selfish gain? Democracy is such a hard thing to maintain even an imperfect version of. So much vigilance all the time. Complacent americans just want it to be locked down by the Constitution so they can get back to their TV shows, i guess.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmRealness, I don’t know all the facts off the top of my head as far as the history of federal election laws go, but I think we both agree that the whole lobbyist and finacial status quo serves neither of our purposes. It’s late where I am, so I need to go, but you have been an entertaining character to argue with. I hope to do so again.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pmand you too goingtobecensored. It got more entertaining when we got down to brass tacks, and didn’t start every post with fingerwagging and name calling. Just saying. tone it down and you’ll get debate.
I think the entertaining character award goes to the person called “goingtobecensored69.” it’s the 69 that really does it for me.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 pmLefty Liberal Says:
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To GoingToBeCensored69:
You have referred to the Democrats as “Fascists”. While a full description of this economic theory is far too complicated to described in full in this post, there are several key beliefs in Fascism that stand out.
One is the belief in Corporatism which is the belief that large corporations are better at managing and running the economy than a government even to the detriment of small businesses and individuals.
A second belief is in Nationalism. Nationalism, as opposed to Patriotism, fundamentally states that your country is the best and can do no wrong, completely ignoring the mistakes made by that country.
A third belief is the promotion of religious faith. Historically this has been Christianity in Europe and South America, but any religion could be used.
Each of these beliefs is deeply held by the Republican Party rather than the Democratic party, which would mean that the Republicans are the Fascists.
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May 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pmOk, nonsense. Fascists were all about the STATE, corporations served the state, and did not exist without license from the state. Nationalism has served leftists just as well as libertarians. Stalin was certainly a nationalist for example. Italian fascists used religion, as well as leftists have. I certainly hope you don’t belive fascist italy was beholdened to the Holy see, but then again, you’ve been wrong this far…
GoingToBeCensored69 Says: He blows goats
Flag the troll, he is off topic and trying to disrupt
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pmI suspect that our begging-to-be-censored friend is the type who believes that every evil political ethos is based in liberalism, and the extreme manifestation of conservatism is maximum “freedom”.
Even though the extreme of what is known as contemporary liberalism would properly be seen as communism (state controls the means of production in an attempt to maximize the greatest good for the greatest number), and the extreme of conservatism would be fascism (corporatism controls the state in the belief that the free market provides the greatest freedom for the greatest number), somehow our angry friend wants to follow the lead of The Doughy Pantload and put fascism on the other side of the ledger.
How convenient.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:46 pmBuckie Boy
Rests my case for me…
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:47 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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I suspect that our begging-to-be-censored friend is the type who believes that every evil political ethos is based in liberalism, and the extreme manifestation of conservatism is maximum “freedom”.
Even though the extreme of what is known as contemporary liberalism would properly be seen as communism (state controls the means of production in an attempt to maximize the greatest good for the greatest number), and the extreme of conservatism would be fascism (corporatism controls the state in the belief that the free market provides the greatest freedom for the greatest number), somehow our angry friend wants to follow the lead of The Doughy Pantload and put fascism on the other side of the ledger.
How convenient.
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It’s hard to sleep when there’s so much stupidity out there.
Fascism is NOT the opposite of communism. Fascism is watered down socialism. The man who started the fascist party, Mussolini, was a champion of the european socialist movement.
Free Market libertarians believe the individual takes precident over the state, or any corporate lobby. It’s so simple I can’t believe I’m still awake attempting to explain it, but at least you folks aren’t as daft as the a$$hats in the daily kos.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:54 pmTo GoingToBeCensored69:
You obviously have not studied economic structures, any type of political science, or even history. If you had, you would understand the posting I made.
These three elements, and many more, are constructs of Fascism. Yes, nationalism is one of many different beliefs that are contained in other political / economic structures.
It is a combination of elements that make up a particular political / economic structure, not just one or two that you pick out and say that since this belief is used in several different systems it doesn’t apply.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pmGoingToBeCensored69 blows goats
No, you are off topic and trolling, intentionally trying to make trouble. Plus you are an absolute idiot who does not know what the fk you are talking about.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:03 pmIf Buckie’s comment rests your case for you, then it’s clear that the only case you wanted to make was that you could annoy people enough so that they wouldn’t want you around anymore.
Not a real big achievement.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pmLooks like GTBC has his mission for the weekend — disrupt this site with pointless, regurgitated rightwing talking points ad nauseum, employing ad hominem attacks to posters here, and generally stink up the place.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 pmGoingToBeCensored69 says: are you implying that we need to periodically update the election process because people’s tendency is to distort the system for selfish gain?
Nope, not implying but stating as fact. When a factor insinuates itself into the system where economic gain surpasses constituent input, it needs to be removed.
When lobbyists and special interests have more influence than the voting public, it is time to eliminate the problem.
“Of the people, by the people and for the people” Not corporate interests.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 pmIt’s clear you don’t know very much about fascism, and simply assume that all totalitarian regimes are the outgrowth of whatever you find evil in liberalism.
Since you brought up Mussolini, let’s hear what he had to say about fascism:
“This was a nationalistic, anti liberal, and anti socialist movement.”
From Economic Expert:
Fascism (in Italian, fascismo), capitalized, refers to the right-wing authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini.
If you had shown any sophistication in thought up to this point, your continued insistence that fascism is a movement of the Left would eliminate any intellectual capital you had built up. As it is, however, no harm done.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pmJust curious, did you read Liberal Fascism GTBC69?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pmyes, doing away with unions which is one example of how “liberal” fascism is /snark…
Let me guess, Hitler was a liberal too?
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmAnother Goldberg disciple?
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm