The full story will come out. The US has waterboarded many more than the 3 it currently admits to. The CIA even had a special waterboard designed and manufactured for it… one which allows you to be righted quickly in case you start drowning. All this still has to see the light of day.

Of course, you wouldn’t necessarily believe the redacted parts of the memos if they support what Cheney says. (although you have no problem accepting the part that makes Republicans look bad).

You assume that I am a partisan who believes that torture is only bad when the Republicans have done it. That is not the case…and I have a huge problem with the administration not showing us the redacted parts of the memo as well.

Nice, and non-judgemental. Except the prisoners didn’t “go through” these sessions — they were subjected to them, under duress. Name one experience you could go through and rationally claim to have been tortured.

Childbirth?

“Even The Dick’s special “Cover My Sorry A$$ Tour” isn’t going to protect him against this ultimate form of abuse – homicide.”
And yet as the “big dick vs. the little pussy” battle rages on Big Dick’s ratings are soaring. Go figure

I’m not biased, I’m waiting for President Obama to declassify the information which Dick Cheney says shows that in these 3 cases, harsh interrogation techniques worked and saved American lives.

I wonder why the White House doesn’t want us to know – I’d think if they could show that not only did the Bush administration break the law, supposedly trash our reputation in the world, but also that it was all for nothing, that’d have no problem doing that.

Of course, you wouldn’t necessarily believe the redacted parts of the memos if they support what Cheney says. (although you have no problem accepting the part that makes Republicans look bad).

Read it carefully, before calling someone dense and resorting to personal attacks. The Republicans wanted it both ways. They wanted to insist that torture was not done and that what we did was waterboarding, which they loudly proclaimed not to be torture. But they wanted Nancy Pelosi to take the fall for waterboarding by claiming she lied to Congress about the CIA briefing. They don’t want an investigation into whether we tortured or not, but would rather have the light focus on Pelosi. There are differing accounts here, the CIA or Pelosi who has been supported by Senator Graham from Florida…WHOSE notes indicate that the CIA made up two of the briefings. It depends on whom you trust, and it is clear that your bias as well as mine suggest whom we would trust.

It’s not about feeling morally superior, don’t try that ad hominem attack on me, but the deal is, do we resort to the tactics of the terrorists? If so, then have we proven ourselves to be better? We are America, we’re not some country which resorts to torture. American exceptionalism should mean that we rise above other nations when it comes to torture and other moral issues, not that it’s only okay if we do it.

If you believe that torture works, you must believe that the people tortured in SALEM, Massachusetts were actually witches, you must believe that those tortured in the European witch trials were actually in league with Satan. You must believe the false confessions our troops were forced to make in the Korean and Vietnam War. You must believe that there WAS a link between Al Qaida and Iraq, all which were obtained through torture and false confessions. If so, well that does explain how you insist in believing that there WAS a link and we did go to war in Iraq with bona fides…

and I bet you were screaming loudest to condemn President Clinton for 9/11 which happened under BUSH’S watch.

I bet you’d be screaming loudest to condemn President Bush if another attack HAD occurred.

A moral lightweight, I consider that to be a compliment coming from a conservative who thinks torture gets us real intelligence, when it is clear that the intelligence comes from traditional intelligence gathering means. You obviously have not read up on the history which shows that TORTURE DOES NOT WORK except for getting false confessions. I am not a moral lightweight, but I don’t mind being called that from someone who swallows the justifications for torture and lives in the fantasy 24 world where torture works and Jack Bauer saves everyone after kicking some ass. I bet it makes you feel all strong and manly, doesn’t it? Oh look at me! I’m some libertarian or independent or whatever who supports torture because it protects us all!

The way I took your last post which I had quoted was that you thought we were not condemning Obama for reserving the right to waterboard, THUS suggesting that this is all political expediency from us. Don’t take my words out of context. I was not suggesting you support it because Obama and Pelosi were. I was suggesting that you thought our insistence of being against torture was just because Bush did it. That is not the case. Torture is immoral, it does NOTHING to protect our country, because the ticking time bomb scenario is deeply flawed and it assumes that the terrorists would NOT provide false information. It is immoral no matter if Obama were to do it, or Bush was.

Thank God you were not in charge of our country when hard decisions had to be made. Thats why you are a moral lightweight. You believe you are somehow morally superior to those who had information that you don’t have, and made decisions that did in fact keep us safe.

I bet you’d be screaming loudest to condemn President Bush if another attack HAD occurred.

You seem to suggest that we’re only in favor of waterboarding if Obama would do it. That is not the case, we are not like you so-principled conservatives who think torture is bad only if they can get Nancy Pelosi to take the fall for it.