Durbin Calls On Gingrich To Apologize For Attacking The CIA In 2007
Durbin Calls On Gingrich To Apologize For Attacking The CIA In 2007
Last week, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich called on Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to resign her current position as Speaker. He said that she “disqualified herself” over her comments that the CIA was “misleading” Congress.
As ThinkProgress pointed out, Gingrich himself has accused the CIA, among other U.S. intelligence agencies, of misleading Congress and undermining the president. In response to the release of the 2007 Iran National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) — which concluded that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program — Gingrich said that he believed the NIE and its authors were “damaging to our own national security.” He said that the document was “a deliberate attempt to undermine the policies of President Bush by members of his own government by suggesting that Iran no longer poses a serious threat to U.S. national security.”
Today on NBC’s Meet the Press, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) brought up this point. He said that if Gingrich is so offended by Pelosi’s comments, then he should also apologize for what he said in 2007:
DURBIN: I’d just say that I’m afraid Mr. Gingrich is suffering from a little political amnesia here. He’s forgotten that in year 2007, he criticized the National Intelligence estimate in regard to the capability of Iran to develop nuclear weapons and said that — if I remember the quote correctly, I’m looking down here — that what they did damaged our national security and misled the American people. Mr. Gingrich, would you like to make an apology to our intelligence agency for what you said in 2007?
GINGRICH: I said that particular report was intellectually dishonest. It was a public, non-classified report, and we were debating it. I said it was intellectually dishonest. I never said the CIA lied to the Congress, which would be illegal. It would be a felony.
Watch it:
During the exchange, Durbin also brought up Rep. Pete Hoekstra’s (R-MI) criticisms of the CIA, including his 2008 statement that the CIA “may have been lying or concealing part of the truth” in testimony to Congress regarding a 2001 incident in which the CIA mistakenly killed an American citizen in Peru. “We cannot have an intelligence community that covers up what it does and then lies to Congress,” Hoekstra said of the incident. “Should he apologize?” asked Durbin. Gingrich, of course, responded that there was nothing wrong with what Hoekstra said.
Transcript:
DURBIN: I’d just say that I’m afraid Mr. Gingrich is suffering from a little political amnesia here. He’s forgotten that in year 2007, he criticized the National Intelligence estimate in regard to the capability of Iran to develop nuclear weapons and said that — if I remember the quote correctly, I’m looking down here — that what they did damaged our national security and misled the American people. Mr. Gingrich, would you like to make an apology to our intelligence agency for what you said in 2007?
GINGRICH: I said that particular report was intellectually dishonest. It was a public, non-classified report, and we were debating it. I said it was intellectually dishonest. I never said the CIA lied to the Congress, which would be illegal. It would be a felony.
DURBIN: Well, what would you say about Republican congressman Hoekstra, who did in fact say that the intelligence community had lied and misled the American people when it came to the killing of an individual in Peru. Should he apologize?
GINGRICH: Chairman Hoekstra, as he was at the time, was engaged in a specific incident. The Inspector General of the CIA actually did the right job. The investigating board of the CIA did the right job. There was a specific case. They reported that it was wrong, and the CIA actually insisted on telling Congress the truth. And if you check with Chairman Hoekstra, he’ll tell you he agrees with me on this particular issue.
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It would seem to me that Hannity is also calling the CIA liars when he insists that Valerie Plame wasn’t under-cover, when even the CIA said that she was.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWell played, Sen Durbin.
Democrats, how about a little back up for the good Senator from Illinois?
May 24th, 2009 at 12:38 pmGINGRICH: Chairman Hoekstra, as he was at the time, was engaged in a specific incident.
And so was Nancy, you hypocritical blow hard.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:39 pmGingrich: No, no, you don’t understand! Nancy Pelosi is a DEMOCRAT! What is it about that you don’t get?
May 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pmDurbin needs to give Ben Nelson lessons on how to be a Democrat.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pmBear in mind that Newt’s target audience is not those of us who can think and do independent research. His target audience are those who blindly accept everything He says as truth and bindly discount everything anyone else says as falsehoods.
Our only hope, in the long run, is that we do finally re-tool our educational system to train people to think and do independent research.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pmWhen is someone, either the media or one of the Dem talking heads, going to refute Newt’s lie that Speaker Pelosi said that ‘the CIA regularly lies to Congress’ or ‘the CIA always lies to Congress’? He and others have been pushing this bs all over the place and it’s a total crock of shit!
May 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pmOh Newt. Please stop. It’s not easy cleaning up the inside of my computer screen. All the fecal matter/brain matter of yours is difficult to clean off. The spin cycle is over Newt. You’re done.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pmOn a serious note, This will be very interesting to see how this all plays out. Every time they open their mouths, a few days later the contradict themselves.
Must stock up on beer and popcorn.
Our only hope, in the long run, is that we do finally re-tool our educational system to train people to think and do independent research.
And our first step, BnF, is to not let Newt Gingrich go on all these TV programs and say this lie-filled crap. And he has been lying, let no one make any mistake about that. He has falsely accused Pelosi of saying that the CIA “routinely lies” to Congress or that they “lie all the time”. The fact is that she never said that. Newt has been going on TV and falsely presenting his opponents’ views, which is a tactic that he honed over a lifetime of disingenuous politics.
Did you know that while most everyone pronounces his name as “gin-gritch”, the rest of the family (including his gay sister, Candace) pronounces it with a “k” sound at the end – “gin-grick”. But voters in his Georgian district started pronouncing it wrong and he never bothered to correct them.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pmHey Newt? Hows your wife doin? You know, the most recent one?
May 24th, 2009 at 12:55 pmHow many does that make Newt? 3? 4?
Are you still bailing on them when they’re in the hospital dying? Oh? That’s right. You got lucky. She survived.
I bring this up because it relates to character.
He has none. So I should believe him? Why?
Not to mention the reason he got booted out of congress.
Newt is simply displaying his 6yo mentality for all to see. When you’re 6 years old, nothing is every your fault.
May 24th, 2009 at 12:56 pmthank you, sen. durbin…
keep up the truth telling! i’m thinking YOU are the senate leader we need…
May 24th, 2009 at 12:59 pm…
“When you’re 6 years old, nothing is every your fault.”
Plus you’re ‘ascared’ of things you don’t understand.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pmwell, this news ought to get newtie all tingly:
Iran within 3 years of nuke: US military chief
May 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pmReuters – ?20 minutes ago?
By Alan Elsner WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Iran could be within one to three years from developing a nuclear weapon and time is running out for diplomacy to defuse the problem, the top US military officer said on Sunday.
Transcript: Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen ABC News
Mullen Says Iran May Be Able to Keep Inspected Nuclear Program Bloomberg
The Associated Press – MiamiHerald.com – Africasia – Jerusalem Post
all 454 news articles »
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ncl=dEouWMir71rR4dMN5_f3_DaL7s3oM&topic=h
It is astonishing how juvenile most of the political posturing in Washington turns out to be, if you pay attention. They think they’re behaving as adults, but it’s no different than a playground dynamic once you get past the gray hair, the tailored suits and the Viagra.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:06 pmYou mean like ConservativeforProgress?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pmThis is hilarious.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThey have a former speaker who got fired from his job for hypocrisy and a former VP who’s under question of violating our laws and international treaties .
The media have no choice now but to pursue this.
If they don’t, then they are complaisant. The internet has changed the way we observe the politicians and media.
They can’t get away with this crap anymore. Not after the previous admin and all the crap that they pulled. They opened this can of worms with the Lewinsky crap.
Now it’s their turn.
Cheney. He’s runnin scared.
Does Newt hava job? What is he beside being irrelevant? Why does the MSM continue to have this lying, pant load control all the television shows?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:14 pmThe GOPers have to have someone else out there telling lies and distortions. They have no choice. What did we expect? Them to be honest?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:16 pmExactly, ralph, they’re acting like a kid’s ‘gang’. How pathetic. Yet these are supposed to be some of the ‘leaders’ of ‘the greatest country in the world.’ That’s worse than pathetic, it’s unconscionable.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:16 pmKasinca, I believe Newt is supposedly a history professor. Sick, isn’t it?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pmThe American Right are the most intellectually dishonest people ever. Can anyone cite an example where they have ever ceded a point in an argument?–or taken responsibility for wrongdoing? They are incapable of self-reflection and only interested in winning/being right.
I still can’t get my conservative family to admit that Nixon did anything wrong.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:20 pmYes. It is unconscionable.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pmHow such stupid immature shit for brains could end up being in a position to dictate information and lead. Is beyond understanding. What makes it even worse it that they have a cult like following. Who agree with them no matter what they say. All out of hatred. Hatred that they cultivated and exploited for their own gain. It worked.
I was thinking about who was the most successful Prez.
It’s Jorge Boosh. He damn near succeeded at everything he set out to do. And they bought all of it.
Shorter NewTea: Im trying to frame Pelosi as a felon NOT ME!!
May 24th, 2009 at 1:25 pmDon’t Republicans have any more people to trot out on Sunday morning to read their talking points than disgraced, former GOP hacks like Gingrich? Talk about a strong desire to keep yourself on the fringes . . .
May 24th, 2009 at 1:28 pmIn effect, the neo-cons are saying, ‘we DARE you to prosecute’. We should take the dare and let the guilty fall. If that means the speaker without a table, so be it.
Yes! Torture was a CRIME. Lying to Congress was a CRIME. Wire-tapping without a FISA warrant was a CRIME.
The idea that we should drop it all and just move on will not work while the Republicans are playing this stupid ‘I double dare you’ game.
We need to hit the criminals so hard that no one will try such things again.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:29 pmJust read a fabulous post about denialism.
The GOP tends to have a higher percentage of this sort than independents and Democrats.
We need to recognize that the GOP style for debate follows the same principles as a denialism.
Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:32 pmvia
Denialism Blog
Newton “Newt” Leroy Gingrich (born Newton Leroy McPherson)
Its probably why he doesnt mind his name being pronounced Gingrich instead or Gingrick
May 24th, 2009 at 1:33 pmFor some reason, the Right looooooves them some disgraced former GOP hacks. I mean, seriously, who is more beloved among the hard right-wingers than G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North? Convicted felons both, and now popular media figures among that crowd.
There is something about that taint of corruption and criminality that just drives wingnuts wild. It’s like a pheromone to them.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pmLegislators and political hacks need to focus on substantive issues. Squabbling over rumors while the economy tanks infuriates the public and helps nothing. If hacks want to look back, substantive action is in order, not tit for tat over the airwaves . . prosecute war crimes … enough allegations without sworn testimony.
Settle this . . . not on Fox News but via a Special Prosecutor . . . sworn testimony . . . public record.
Could the Dems negotiate a swap? Neslon for Powell?
CIA has behaved badly, needs its laundry aired and to get its act together. Agency run amok.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pmOur only hope, in the long run, is that we do finally re-tool our educational system to train people to think and do independent research.
Dream on!
they’ve only just now started getting it to the place where they want it. Think Texas science standards, or Louisiana’s. Texas’ will soon rule the country, because text-books are published to Texas’ standards, in which evolution is treated as heresy.
The people of the US don’t want their schools to teach their kids to be critical. Kids being critical? Where would it stop? Maybe they’d have sex, and protest against injustice, if they were instructed as to how to see and rebuke it.
they’d be jus like us ol’ dirty phuquing hippies… Murka’s parents want their kids to be critical about like Murka’s pet owners want their animals to be rabid. Schools reflect that reality, even though there are occasional glimpses of rhetoric to the contrary.
And Murka’s students, overwhelmingly, in my experience, want no more from their ‘education’ than to have their prejudices ratified and their ticket (to the middle class) stamped…Thinkers need not apply, thank you very much…
Murka
May 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pmSaaaa-MACK!!!
That was a thing of beauty, Senator Durbin!
Please sir, may we have another?? ;o)
~A
May 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pmThat is a terrific resource, nellre. Thanks for providing it.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:39 pmDurbin got game!
May 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pmFib Newton — not just a fig filled cookie but a fib filled kook
May 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pmPeterC.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pmIf history is any guide, they’ll do it again.
They were damaged in the 70’s. They came back in the 80’s.
They screwed that up too. The international court found the Reagan admin guilty of war crimes against Nicaragua. Nothing happened about that. But at least it’s historical fact that they do this stuff. The 90’s were a time of pure bullshit.
The Contract with a New America? Sorry, I don’t want to make you sick. Lewinsky? The 2000 elections? The 2004 elections?
They’ll be back. I have no doubt about that. They’re part of our society. Like it or not, the cult lives on. As long as the cultivate hate, they’ll get somewhere.
Talk about intellectually dishonest ! Thanks sen Durbin for Newtering Mr. lies through his teeth for political points Gingrich !
May 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pmAIO Says:
It would seem to me that Hannity is also calling the CIA liars when he insists that Valerie Plame wasn’t under-cover, when even the CIA said that she was.
That’s an excellent point. And it wasn’t just Hannity who said this. Many right wing politicians said the same thing.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pmGotta love the constant trotting out of these irrelevant relics like Little Newtie. It is a clear reminder of the sordid past that contributed to the current mess we’re in.
As far as his responses to Durbin’s excellent questions, I expected no less from Little Newtie than to react with conviction in the hope that viewers would listen to his tone, read his body language and completely ignore the sheer stupidity of his words.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:56 pmi wonder – how long must one kick against the goads before that eventual realization as to the utter emptiness of such action. why do we have asylums and consequently an entire medical field dedicated to studying the mind. what is the meaning of the word – thinking thing.
descarte concluded that i think, therefore, i am – but in reaching this conclusion, he first deduced that he was a thinking thing. how interesting – a thinking thing.
well, today we have a fellow – who by all indications ‘appears’ to be thinking and thus could lay hold to the claim of (i am). yet could it be possible, just maybe, that gingrich is no more or rather never even been but rather what we see is an empty form of a his likeness that is controlled by some evil genius (forgive me for channeling my inner descartes here).
for i have scarcely seen a public official employ such tortured logic and with a seemingly pained outrage that one would expect to emanate from some deep seated love of country and justice. yet we all know that gingrich loves neither country nor cares for the rule of law save when it furthers his own interests.
this is the man who railed against the transgressions of clinton and thus put himself up as an ensample of pure christian morality even in that corrupt crowd in washington. o how, he moralized and figuratively wept for his beloved country at such a sinful state. yet all the while he was banging (forgive the word – i needed a colorful term) his own staffer even as he preached jesus and sin to the country. now perhaps his criticisms of clinton were rooted in his intimate knowledge of the dificulty of keeping focus on state matters while having your lolipop constantly licked by your staffer – this i doubt.
so now, this modern day moses – yes for he has been sent to take god’s children to the promised land. alright, a point of clarification – his own bosom sent him, coupled with a lust for power and glory but just pretend that he has been sent to save all. like moses, he too speaks with a singular voice, calls them it as he sees it, never equivocates but ever speaks truth to power, – fine, none of that is true but pretend it is true
a man perfectly stupid as to not understand even the power of google – for surely anyone can simply search your past statement on any prior position. this simple fact alone has time and time again condemned him – he has always attacked the cia yet now calls for the impeachment of those that do as he has done. impeach clinton because he has brought shame to the presidency – even as your doing the same.
children, remember this is not a real person. for no man possesses this sublime power of condemning acts perpetrated by others all the while not understanding that he is likewise damning himself. in gingrich’s case – there need not be judgement day – for he always condemns himself but it takes him time to realize his folly.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:58 pmkaty Says:
well, this news ought to get newtie all tingly:
Iran within 3 years of nuke: US military chief
Reuters – ?20 minutes ago?
By Alan Elsner WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Iran could be within one to three years from developing a nuclear weapon….
Iran could be within 10 years of having a nuclear weapon, too.
Ok President Obama, it’s long past time when you should be getting rid of all the Bush sycophants that are left behind in your government. Especially in the military and in the Justice Department.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:58 pmSee Durbin needs to be majority leader. At least he has a spine and isn’t afraid of losers like Newtie.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pmZooey,
The ‘Honorable’ Senator Nelson is a DINO, always has been, always will be.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pmI agree, Mudsharks.
However, I feel like our unwillingness to prosecute makes it easier for them to come back. Cheney is an old Nixon hangover.
The Republicans are aggressive; they constantly attack. This works because we’re so reluctant to counter-attack. We play into their hands everytime.
We should make them fight against us AND the LAW.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:02 pmGawd, but the Repugs have such a bad case of selective memory. Anything that they don’t like about themselves, they just blame on the Dems. Anything that they fcuked up, is always the Dems’ fault.
With the Newter, rush and Darth Cheney as their spiritual leaders, this party will sink faster than the Titanic, after the deck chairs were rearranged and the band quit playing.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:04 pmGingich doesn’t seem to know there is such a thing as a dictionary and it contains the word hypocrisy. He should really look it up. Does he think that that people will not get the distinction he is making between Republicans and Democrats who both say that the CIA lied? It doesn’t seem difficult to believe that the CIA lied. We should be talking about who should be going to jail. I disagree with protecting those who break the law because of national security, they should be prosecuted, they are a cancer that needs to be cut out.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:10 pmupside99 Says:
Zooey,
The ‘Honorable’ Senator Nelson is a DINO, always has been, always will be.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I could tell by his hair. ;)
May 24th, 2009 at 2:12 pmPeterC.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:18 pmI agree with you completely. We need to drag these people in to court. All of them. No matter what party they belong to.
That’s the only way we can help this country get back on the right track. Investigations please. And let the chips fall where they may. In the process, I’m pretty confident that the GOPers will come out on the shitty end of the stick. And I also want all the Dems who were compliant who new about all these issues be held accountable too. This next election coming up is Huge. The primaries. We need to get rid of Lieberman, Bayh, DiFi, and a whole host of others. Not to mention the GOPers.
OH, I forgot to add Nevada Harry Reid. That guy has got too go.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:19 pmAs it turns out, Gingrich himself didn’t merely calls the agency’s 2007 Iran National Intelligence Estimate “misleading.” Newt labeled it a “coup d’etat.”
The Benedict Arnolds of the American intelligence community, he declared to the cheering right-wing faithful at the February 2008 CPAC conference, had essentially committed treason:
“The National Intelligence Estimate on Iran can only be understood as a bureaucratic coup d’état, deliberately designed to undermine the policies of the United States, on behalf of some weird goal.”
For the details, see:
May 24th, 2009 at 2:20 pmGingrich Called CIA’s 2007 Iran NIE a “Coup d’Etat.”
Oh, I see. Newt’s position is the CIA only lies on occasion and Pelosi said they lie a lot.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pmJane Harmon is another who’s gotta go.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pmShe can no longer be trusted. I used to like her. But she was bought by the Israelis. I have no problem with the Israeli people. It’s their govt’ I don’t like. That being said, I don’t like any violent factions in that area. Seems to me a little diplomacy would be a good thing there.
Cause Nixon said “I am not a crook”
May 24th, 2009 at 2:26 pmHearing these two word parse “CIA lying” is like watching a lawyer and history professor dissect a fart. It stinks no matter how you chop it.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:31 pmCheney is very much like Nixon. And Agnew. And Meese.
May 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pmSpeaking of Meese.
May 24th, 2009 at 3:11 pmhttp://nationalcorruptionindex.org/pages/profile.php?profile_id=263
So, there is a distinction between saying someone is being “intellectually dishonest” and saying someone is “lying,” and that distinction, Mr. Gingrinch, is . . . what?
Politicians need to be treated like children. If you told your kid that he’d be grounded if you caught him lying, then you caught him lying, and in his defense he said, “but mom, it is a complicated question, really, and I wasn’t lying to you, I was just being intellectually dishonest,” how many parents would say, oh, well in that case, you’re not grounded.
May 24th, 2009 at 3:21 pmWhen Gingrich criticized the US intelligence agency,he meant it.
When he said that the intellignece report was undermining the President’s efforts and capabilities ..he meant it.
Because:
He is a big supporter of Israel and bombing Iran is something he wants to see,and probably dreamed about just like Bolton,McCain and company.
Such report to him will not help the President to start a war.
As a war monger and as an Israeli government’s puppet,Newt was angry about the report which he saw as a reason that might hinder the war effort against launching a war against Iran.
May 24th, 2009 at 3:29 pmSuch reason to Newt is unacceptable even it came from the US Intelligence agency.
And how about Norquist
May 24th, 2009 at 3:31 pmAfter all, he was a runnin buddy of Newts.
Check out the names on this list near the bottom of the page.
Nice guys.
Briseadh na Firefly Says:
Bear in mind that Newt’s target audience is not those of us who can think and do independent research.
With the age of the increasing popular use of the internet that audience may be shrinking.
Audio, videos, clips and links are out there for all to see what filthy liar scum like Newt really stand for.
May 24th, 2009 at 3:37 pmI’m a little frustrated that Gingrich is allowed to repeat his lies about what Nancy Pelosi said, without anyone calling him on it. As pointed out above, she never said that the CIA “lies all the time”. Gingrich is calling on her to apologize to everyone for something that she never did.
I would like to see someone confront Gingrich with what Pelosi actually said, to call he on his intellectual dishonesty.
May 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pmAnyone who believes the CIA does NOT LIE IS A MUTHUPHUCKING FOOL!!!!!
Read this:
http://pubrecord.org/commentary/916-the-cias-history-of-bamboozling-the-congress.html
THEY ARE ALL COCK SUCKING LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 24th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI couldn’t be polite to the phucker…
Durbin nor anybody else owes Gingrich any more consideration than a swift kick in the nutsack…
And when he’s on his knees, gasping, tip him over and piss up his nose.
May 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI wonder how any republican can stand up straight! After all that spinning most humans would become nausiatingly dizzy!
May 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pmWhy does the media allow these crooked thugs with (R) associated with their names control the conversation? The rethugs have demonstrated that they are liars, they are failures with no idea how to correct the wrongs they have done. The weak kneed commentators like David Gregory allows a dishonest pant load like Newt to come on his show and lie his ass off. The GOP has no credibility and their strawman arguments should be revealed as just that, strawman arguments to take the focus off the thugs in the Bush Crime Family.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:15 pmWhy are American’s so stupid? Anyone with half a brain KNOWS the Newt and his buddies always criticize the CIA and other intelligence agencies when it suits their purpose. Iraq, Iran nuclear facilities, the list goes on and on. Now all of a sudden, it’s a no-no. And why isn’t MSM talking about the Nancy Galore video? It reminds me of Allen imfamous ‘Mucaca’ moment. It took several days all over the net before MSM would touch it. If you ask me, This Pussy Galore thing is much more damaging.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:18 pmOh those lying, criminally stupid Republicans! What difference does a few silly syllables make anyway?
George Washington, “I cannot be intellectually dishonest. I did cut down the Cherry tree.”
May 24th, 2009 at 5:33 pmYou know the GOP can say and do anything they want. They are getting away with everything, and they will continue to get away with it. None of them will be prosecuted for war crimes, torture, or anything else illegal. They still have a fairly large percentage of the population believing everything they say. Don’t underestimate the political clout of hardcore, right wing, GOP base supporters. They might be nut jobs, they might be down and out at this moment, but they aren’t going away, and they will fight to the death to regain power.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:45 pmExactly, and A$$HOLES like David S(cumbag) Addington will be back in another administration unless we convict and disbar these bastards NOW!!!
All of the lawyers involved, like Addington and Judge Torture Bybee and Monica (Moron for God) Goodling, need to be disbarred!!!!
This filth must be removed from our judicial system. Period.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:57 pmFor the first time EVER, America has a woman two heartbeats away from the presidency, and she’s a democrat. HA. This really sticks in their craw, and they can’t stand it.
They’re desperation is really showing.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:58 pmGingrich: I never said it was a lie. I said it was dishonest.
This sums up the hypocrisy & fabrication of the Repubs/GOP. To them, being dishonest does not equal lying. They come up with new words & expressions to hide the fact that they are lying, torturing, murdering, anti-Americans. We’re all sick of it, Gingrich, and sick of you, too. You are dishonest & a liar. Both.
May 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pmWait– I forgot– you are also an adulterer, a multi-divorced person, & more. So stop criticizing others with fabricated nonsense. Either stick to facts or go away.
May 24th, 2009 at 6:03 pmAnyone looking back on that NIE would have to agree that Gingrich was right. Has Iran halted it’s nuclear program? No.
May 24th, 2009 at 6:54 pmIran has the right to enrich uranium for nuclear power. They are not making bomb-grade uranium.
May 24th, 2009 at 7:09 pmWhy does Israel have a nuclear program? Have they halted it?
May 24th, 2009 at 7:38 pmWhy is this lying sack of crap Gingrich on my tv every week?
What office was he elected to?
What office is he running for?
I don’t think this guy could get elected as town dogcatcher.
May 24th, 2009 at 7:59 pmBeing a republican means thinking you never have to say you’re sorry.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:13 pmOT: The Onion has an in-depth report on the border wall Texas is erecting.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:16 pmBarack Obama needs to ignore the “Republican Noise Machine”. They are just trying to derail Obama’s agenda by making noise.
Just call the Republican accuser a liar and brush him or her out of the way. There is too much work to be done. Obama doesn’t have time to be ditracted by a bunch of right wing, lying, corporate lackey, hateful, greedy, racist Republicans.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:17 pmR = Rush
N = Newt
C = Cheney
I heard someone say that this week and I repeat it here because this is the state of the Repugniscum party today — they have reached a pretty low point, yet they continue to dig themselves in deeper.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:46 pmOh well, their loss is our gain.
Now they’re talking about filibustering the nominee for SCOTUS and they don’t even know who it is!!
On Memorial Day, people frequently will say “Thank You” to those who gave their lives for our freedom, and certainly I give my thanks to those who perished in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, World Wars 1 & 2, and so on …
For those who have died in this Iraqi war, thank you doesn’t seem to quite fit. Instead, all I can say is “I’m sorry.”
I’m sorry it came to this. I’m sorry that the president didn’t value your life enough to keep you alive. I’m sorry you aren’t still here to help keep us safe from our nation’s true enemies. I’m sorry that those in charge treasured their pride, money, greed, and political ambitions too much that you’re considered expendable. I’m sorry that lies and deceit was all it took to have you killed. I’m sorry I didn’t fight hard enough or effectively enough to keep you home.
To the 4300 (and unfortunately still growing) service men and women who have died for a reason other than our freedom — we miss you, we love you, may you rest in peace.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:00 pmMCH, thank you for your eloquence. You’ve brought tears to my eyes.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:03 pmThank you, Jane. I appreciate that. It’s a shame that with all the talk about torture and supreme court justices and the usual Redumblicans whining because they done get their way all the time, people are forgetting we’re still fighting a war based on lies and people are still dying as a result.
Next time you hear a Redumblican call themselves “Pro-life”, remind them of this.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:27 pmTwo U.S. intelligence officers confirm that Vice President Cheney’s office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection. *The former chief of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, in charge of interrogations, tells The Daily Beast that he considered the request reprehensible. *Much of the information in the report of the 9/11 Commission was provided through more than 30 sessions of torture of detainees.
Somehow I think torture wasn’t used to try to save American lives, that was secondary to providing a faux justification of invading Iraq, something made easier by the true believers who still to this day persist in making that link…
May 24th, 2009 at 10:15 pmwrong thread, I apologize…
May 24th, 2009 at 10:15 pmyes, thanks for that, MCH… very well said…
my “WAR IS NOT PRO-LIFE” bumper sticker is getting faded…
i hope i don’t have to replace it, before removing it…
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one of the most well thought out, easiest to read explanations i’ve found:
Obama and national security
http://www.examiner.com/x-9439-Morningside-Heights-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m5d24-Obama-and-national-security
May 24th, 2009 at 10:32 pmYou know more than 16 intelligence agencies? Are you aware that uranium enriched to some 3.3% is not weapons grade [97+%] uranium?
May 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pm86. katy Says: one of the most well thought out, easiest to read explanations i’ve found:
Obama and national security
Unfortunately, katy, this article glosses over a host of spectacularly poor decisions by Obama in order to paint him as a liberal, which he most assuredly is not; nor is he a progressive.
Example: the article fails to address the fact that Obama will continue to detain innocent people who have been cleared but remain in detention. It ignores Bagram. It ignores telecom immunity. It ignores the “look ahead, not backward,” insanity that slaps every justice-conscious anti-torture progressive in the face. It ignores the absolute lunacy of “preventative detention.” I thinking Obama has lost his mind, frankly.
In a sarcastic but nonetheless spot-on comment in boingboing about Disney unveiling an animatronic Obama exhibit:
I guess we should have specified ‘change” for the better, not “change” into Orwellian-overdrive.
May 24th, 2009 at 11:02 pmthe CIA’s only job is bringing in drugs and starting military coups on other parts of the world. we don’t need a CIA. the FBI should suffice.
FREEDOM any takers?
May 24th, 2009 at 11:35 pmFrom Wikipedia: “Most newts can be safely handled, provided that the toxins they produce are not ingested or allowed to come in contact with mucous membranes or breaks in the skin.”
May 24th, 2009 at 11:54 pmSlippery Says: Condoning death? American hypocrisy, much?
FYT Slappery
May 25th, 2009 at 12:24 amslippery Says: Why no post in big red letters about obama “making peace” with the fact that Iran will develope nukes under his watch?
Remember North Korea much?
May 25th, 2009 at 12:25 amHanshiro, are you on the RNC troll payroll?
May 25th, 2009 at 12:50 amYou guys are forgetting:
ROVE
May 25th, 2009 at 12:51 amSorry, OT.
Here Amanda, if you guys want topics for a thread then I don’t see a better one than this.
If ever anyone wants glaring proof of the GOP just openly working to obstruct and sabotage President Obama than this is it.
Here we have a GOP Senator threatening to Filibuster the President’s nominee before he’s even nominated one!
He hasn’t even picked a nominee yet and here we have a GOP Senator brazenly admitting he intends to filibuster the appointment before ones even been selected.
This is a terrible example of partisanship of the worst kind and worse, during two wars and an economic crisis.
Don’t ever let a GOP or republican tell anyone they’re unpatriotic again because this President hasn’t received one single day of support from the GOP on anything!
Nothing. They’ve bashed him in the knees at every turn, from the minute they flubbed his swearing in.
Maybe this President isn’t everything we hoped, at least not yet. But he deserves better than this.
May 25th, 2009 at 1:07 amWhen my ladyfriend asked me if I had a name for my “manhood” I told her, “No, I’ve never named him.” After a bit of back and forth we arrived at a name which I now see is ALSO the name of a local troll … Slippery.
May 25th, 2009 at 1:30 amHey kbman, Im guessing that slippery has two nuts for a brain and an ahole backing him up. Trolls what a waste of oxygen.
May 25th, 2009 at 1:53 amslippery Says:
Condoning death? Liberal hypocrisy, much?
May 24th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Two words, dickweed: Iraq War
PS: You do know none of us is getting out of here alive, don’t you? Idiot, much…?
May 25th, 2009 at 3:45 amThe more I think about it, the more I believe the internet has totally fried the political Right.
It’s impossible to “project your own reality” when your reality gets debunked within minutes. :)
We can see prominent Republican figures struggling with this painful reality. Guys like Rush and Newt (i.e., guys with funny names and funny political beliefs) are clearly don’t know what to do when their contradictions and prevarications get thrown back in their faces. I’ll bet they wish they’d destroyed the internet when they had the chance.
Da Banksta explains everything.
May 25th, 2009 at 5:54 amThe republicans continue to be the hypocritical a$$wipes they are. Will it ever end? Is there a bottom to their hypocrisy as there is a bottom to Wall Street? I hope so. My brain can’t take much more of their crap.
May 25th, 2009 at 7:54 amThe GOP and Newt are busy sharpening up their only message for 2010: “Vote for Republicans, we are doing every thing we can to stop Obama from fixing our mess.”
May 25th, 2009 at 8:22 amAnd just what is it you think the N Koreans or the Iranians might do with a nuke or two when and if they ever get them?
May 25th, 2009 at 8:48 am“Pyongyang is believed to have enough weaponized plutonium for at least a half-dozen atomic bombs. However, experts say scientists have not yet mastered the miniaturization needed to mount a nuclear device onto a long-range missile.”
You mean like this sort of keeping up?
May 25th, 2009 at 9:04 amlol, CFP is always scared of something, isn’t he?
why do you think America is so weak, CFP?
May 25th, 2009 at 9:22 amwhy is it clowns like CFP fear every petty tyrant around the globe but voted for and hugged the nuts of 43 for eight years straight. nothing more frightening in my book than a born again bible beater with access to nukes who got daily classified briefings featuring scripture on them.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:26 amQuick–bring back Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Schuenemann, Bremer, Bolton! We need a war with North Korea NOW!!! Bombs, guns, barbed wire, tanks = neocon Viagra. It’s time to fire up the neocon straw man “be very scared” calliope.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:28 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
“why is it clowns like CFP fear every petty tyrant around the globe but voted for and hugged the nuts of 43 for eight years straight. nothing more frightening in my book than a born again bible beater with access to nukes who got daily classified briefings featuring scripture on them.”
Linked to this the other day but it backs your point perfectly…worth the short read.
http://www.counterpunch.org/hamilton05222009.html
-In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.
-In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on “a mission from God” in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.
No time for debate…but your thoughts on this CFP?
May 25th, 2009 at 9:36 amConservativeForProgress Says:
“What do you mean by “when and if?” North Korea tested a “nuke or two” today. Please try to keep up.”
i would say it’s a direct result of disasterous foreign policy for the past eight years under 43 where we didn’t talk to our “enemies” and branded other countries “the axis of evil”. then again, north korea doesn’t have any oil so, they were never really a “threat” in the eyes of neoclowns.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:39 amVery interesting, on this day to honor our fallen the trolls are worried about another country building bombs…Guess the trolls don’t get it, we live in the most armed country in the world…Israel is second…The 2 largest holders of nukes and biggest saber rattlers on the planet, most feared around the world, the country that dictate’s who can own and make bombs and who to exchange mangos for nuke’s and they are worried?…Jeebos, I wish we could fix stupid….If ya want to worry about something pick a real issue..What country is next on our politician’s platter to threaten with war if they don’t comply to Americas dictate..P.B. & J
May 25th, 2009 at 9:41 amThe Republican political leaders treat national security as a political tool. Period. Many of the base are clearly deranged by fear, but the leaders don’t actually give a sh*t.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:43 amConservativeForProgress Says:
What do you mean by “when and if?” North Korea tested a “nuke or two” today. Please try to keep up.
dbadass is right, CFP. What would they do with “a nuke or two”? If they tried to give them to some terrorists, and those terrorists successfully set them off inside the US (both highly, highly unlikely, but let’s hypothesize for the sake of argument), don’t you think both of those countries know that we could wipe them off the face of the Earth in retaliation? Would they really do that? Or would Iran keep its nukes handy in order to bomb Israel (after which we would wipe them off the face of the Earth)?
May 25th, 2009 at 9:58 amit appears that C4P has struck upon a new strategy for avoiding harsh critiques of his comments:
say stuff so mind-numbingly stupid that there is no real retort available.
He hasn’t quite reached that point yet, but it’s clear that that’s where he’s heading.
May 25th, 2009 at 10:56 amAnd why do you think Iran might want a nuclear program?
May 25th, 2009 at 11:07 amWhy does the MSM continue to allow these recycled, worn out politicians a platform to spew their tired, dishonest rhetoric?
Oh yeah I forgot, most of the MSM in our country are nothing more than subsidiaries of corporations and the government. Their main goal is to distract the American citizen, bombard them with divisive debate and overload our brains with disinformation.
Meanwhile the government and their masters laugh at us all as they continue to rape and pillage our country and the middle class, while allowing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:09 amDo you suppose C4P realizes that Ahmadinejad is in the closing weeks of a re-election campaign, and his campaign rhetoric may be reflecting a hard-line stance that he thinks will get Iranians to vote for him?
Now, where have we seen that type of behavior before…?
May 25th, 2009 at 11:18 amFrom the second paragraph of C4P’s linked article:
The comments by the conservative president, who is seeking re-election in a June 12 presidential vote, are likely to further disappoint the U.S. administration of President Barack Obama, which is seeking to engage Iran diplomatically.
Isn’t it weird how C4P takes the right-wing Iranian president at his word in the middle of a heated campaign?
May 25th, 2009 at 11:23 amralph the wonder locust Says:
Do you suppose C4P realizes that Ahmadinejad is in the closing weeks of a re-election campaign, and his campaign rhetoric may be reflecting a hard-line stance that he thinks will get Iranians to vote for him?
Now, where have we seen that type of behavior before…?
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I know! I know! (Raising hand in the back of the classroom)
The republican party?????
Yes idiots like C4P aren’t very bright and sadly have decided to live their lives in fear. The words “Home of the brave” does not include any republicans as they are all fearful, yellow cowards who hide under their beds, covered in their own urine, “ascared” of brown skinned men from the Middle East who idiots like C4P are told want to kill us all and all of our children because they hate us for our freedom.
Fear is a very strong tool to have in ones tool belt. It makes people submissive and makes them agree with anything which sounds like it could make them safe. Look how well it worked during the cold war era.
This was replaced by the new fear, the fear of terrorism, that fear worked wonders for the Bush administration, it got them the war they wanted and allowed them to pass draconian laws that any intelligent American would be weary of.
Now that the fear of terrorism has subsided a bit in our country, we are being told about the threat of nuclear weapons and of course upon hearing those two words, idiots like C4P immediately wet themselves and crawl back underneath their beds.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:32 amIt’s actually kind of ironic that the cowards on the right keep telling us that these scary terrorists want to kill us all and all of our children because they hate us for our freedom and our way of life and yet it is our very own government who have been taking away the very freedoms and changing our way of life that these terrorists supposedly hate us for.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:41 amMemo to C4P…take your phony patriotism and stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:42 amIf phony patriots like C4P actually supported our brave soldiers they would be calling for their immediate return from the two failed wars the Bush administration got us into.
Instead these phony patriots like C4P support our brave soldiers by wrapping themselves up in American flags made in China and put yellow ribbon magnets made in China on their gas guzzling vehicles.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:46 amI take it we won’t be getting any answers as to why North Korea and Iran or any other sovereign nation might want a nuclear program for on this day….
May 25th, 2009 at 11:54 amYou don’t deserve them.
And you don’t deserve to live in a democracy, torture apologist.
May 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pmdbadass Says:
I take it we won’t be getting any answers as to why North Korea and Iran or any other sovereign nation might want a nuclear program for on this day….
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Well if you are a fearful, cowardly, hateful, clueless, delusional republican the answer is quite simple. They want to build nuclear weapons to sell to scary terrorists so they can launch them at the USA. It has nothing to do with the possibility that they want nuclear energy like the righties want our country to have.
The Pelosi flap is a sham, a cover–utilizing Pelosiphobiamania as misdirection to avoid the serious truth: the United States, at the highest level of its governing administration conducted crimes against humanity to justify an invasion of a sovereign nation in clear violation of the Nuremberg Principles. The Pelosi flap–and there is no documented evidence that she was informed as the CIA currently avers; indeed, there is some reason to believe Pelosi was not so informed (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/)–is being used to conveniently cover this all up.
The idea that the CIA has not lied–is a slam dunk so to speak of squeaky sophistry, and the blatant piling on by the childish RNC with their prurient, misogynistic reference to a James Bond villain is all a part of their desire for people to forget the abject generational theft that just went on during the Bush years, that will not be undone for decades. Amd Gingrich–he himself lied to Congress while Speaker of the House in such a way as to be censured for a ethics violations. But that Nancy Pelosi…!
May 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pmAnd they apparently developed it in the last four months.
Otherwise… one would have to conclude that the Bush-era “Axis of Evil” foreign policy was a failure.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. See also: conservative philosophy
May 25th, 2009 at 12:23 pmC4P…yeah and North Korea’s last few test missile launches were so successful. *Rolling eyes*
Perhaps these little displays by North Korea are all part of a script handed to a little mad man by the masters of the world stage.
What does the threat of missiles in Iran or North Korea amount to? Big $$$$$ for the defense industry to build missile defense systems. Remember the expensive missile defense system I believed called “Star Wars” that was pushed during the Reagan years?…
Sorry, when little piss ant countries like North Korea rattle their sabers, it is most likely for other reasons in my honest opinion. I believe on the world stage Kim Jung Ill and Ahmadinejad are just useful tools to keep us in fear, fear that equates to $$$ for the war & defense industry.
As someone else said earlier, are we so stupid to believe that a country like North Korea or Iran would actually launch nuclear missiles at the USA which would mean the obliteration of their own countries?
Maybe we are this stupid. I mean I recall a Bush state department spokesman telling us that we need to sell a missile defense system to Poland so that they can protect themselves against any future missile attacks from Iran or North Korea….Iran or North Korea!?!?
Why in the hell would Iran or North Korea want to launch missiles at Poland? I didn’t know Poland was their arch enemy. Yet not one media person questioned the absurdity of the state department spokesman reasons for the US selling a missile defense system to Poland….we are doomed.
May 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pmThe troll reminds me of a neighbor down the road..He has his little parcel with mansion on the lake and fight’s everyone else who want’s to move on their own little parcel…File’s complaints at the court house and pisses and moan’s every day that any one would dare to build on their lot..
Afraid of their own shadow, blame President Obama for all the evil the bush bots commtied and condone every deadly thing while bush was in office..Yell and scream at us for wanting the unnecessary made up war’s and billions lost on pallets to warmonging friend’s to stop while our service men were forced to live in filth when they returned because evil fat assed cheney, rove, rice and all the war profateers squirreled away our tax money…
You cfp are a winey chicken shiete piece of dung, not fit to be critical of anything we do nor say…Be gone…..The reich winged, never served nor honored our fallen are in your group, join them….Blessings to everyone else.
May 25th, 2009 at 12:50 pmGee, guys, do you think we ought to take up a collection so CFP can buy himself a big box of Depends??
It must be awfully uncomfortable to be urine-soaked all the time, eh?
May 25th, 2009 at 12:50 pmWitch1:
You cfp are a winey chicken shiete piece of dung, not fit to be critical of anything we do nor say
Winey chicken – republicans’ favorite dish…
May 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pmConservativeForProgress
May 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pmCan you try and keep up? See #110
Now I ask again why might a nation seek a nuclear weapons program?
Maybe it would be easier to ask why the US and Israel feel they need a nuclear program….
May 25th, 2009 at 1:08 pmAh, I think we’re beginning to see where C4P is coming from, dbadass.
He doesn’t have a logical basis for his fear, so he imagines a small Asian man with political power in a poverty-stricken technologically backward nation to be a “murderous dark lord”.
Do you think breathing exercises and meditation might help our terrified friend, dbadass?
May 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pmSeems to me it is a simple sign of technological prowess and a decent deterrent to external threats. In light of certain realities tell me again why Iran or North Korea would actually launch a weapon offensively?
May 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pmDepends on the nation. For most, the answer is national defense. For a Stalinist, mentally-ill dictator like North Korea’s murderous dark lord, however, the answer is less clear, but probably more aggressive.
North Korea’s murderous dark lord
Sounds like the same overheated rhetoric used to describe Saddam, and his intentions.
But we later found out that was all lies. Deja vu’?
May 25th, 2009 at 1:17 pmAnd while it’s true that Saddam was murderous, he was no fool, and harbored no intentions of attacking the US.
Does C4P advocate another invasion and occupation?
May 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Adolph Hitler harbored no intentions of attacking the US. So I guess we should have stayed out of the European Theater in WWII, eh?
Actually, he was attacking our ships, before we declared war on Germany, as anyone who studied history will tell you.
May 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pmSo, C4P, invade and occupy N. Korea?
Why are you ducking the question? If he truly represents the threat you claim, why aren’t you calling for invasion and occupation?
Your position is inconsistent.
May 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pmC4P proves the validity of Godwin’s Law.
The fact that he does it in such a blatantly stupid way should come as no surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention.
Why is it stupid? Let us count the ways:
1. When the US entered the European Theater, Hitler had already attacked several US allies, and had virtually conquered France. When either Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il attempt a similar action, C4P’s analogy might gain some relevance. At this point, neither of them has attacked as many sovereign nations as has the US in the last eight years.
2. Hitler had under his command one of the most advanced industrial powers on Earth. Iran can’t supply its own requirements for refined fuel. Kim Jong Il can’t even feed his own people.
3. The stupidity of C4P’s rhetorical question, “I guess we should have stayed out of the European Theater in WWII, eh?” is self-evident.
Anyone else want to jump in?
May 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmdualdiagnosis Says:
Anyone looking back on that NIE would have to agree that Gingrich was right. Has Iran halted it’s nuclear program? No.
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Not unless they were brainwashed they wouldnt and what do YOU know that ALL 16 of our intelligence agencies DONT know since they unanimously said Irah HAS halted its nuclear WEAPONS program as for their program to have nuclear power they have every right under the NPT to pursue nuclear power. You wingnuts never know what you are talking about
May 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pmslippery you worthless and ignorant troll no such post because only ignorant brainwashed morons spew such idiocy. Morons like YOU. STUPID much? Actually you are stupid ALL the time. What a cretinous punkass troll you are.
May 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pmConservativePunk
You are just too stupid to be taken seriously. You do understand that you are a complete and utter moron dont you?
May 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pmI call on Gingrich to stop sticking his head up his own ass in public.
May 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmIch glaube nicht, scheisskopf.
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Everytime I see that transcript of Dana Perino saying about the Cuban Missile Crisis “I don’t know what that is”, I always wonder how many other republicans just do not know history.
And invariably one of you confirms that this inherent stupidity is not relegated to the few, but to the many.
Hitler not only declared open war on America shortly after Pearl Harbor, he sent several missions to US soil during the war.
Ever hear of Operation Pastorius? Of course not. You guys haven’t even heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis yet.
German saboteurs (what you guys call terrorists) were sent to do significant damage to North America. German U Boats were actually parked right off Long Island, (U-Boat 202), and U-Boat 584 was parked right off Jacksonville Florida! Teams of “terrorist\saboteurs” were sent in to blow up the power plants at Niagara Falls, and Aluminum factories in Illinois, Tennessee and New York, lay mines along railroads all the way to New Jersey, taint the water supply in New York (what you call biological attacks) and more.
Then of course there was Operation Elster, otherwise known as Operation Magpie, which parked U-Boat 1230 right off the coast of Maine in 1944, landing more saboteurs\terrorists with plans to sabotage the Manhattan Project.
And in 1942 U-217 landed spies in New Brunswick, and in 1943 U-537 actually not only landed spies but set up a working Weather Station, (Weather Station Kurt).
And it didn’t end there. U-518 torpedoed and sank two Iron Ore freighters off the coast of Bell Island, and also landed a saboteur\terrorist.
And on the East Coast, apparently you’re not aware of the “Second Battle of the Atlantic”, where New Yorkers actually sat on the beaches watching battles between the German and US Navy.
German U-Boats sank 348 American vessels totaling 3.1 Million tons off the shores of the east coast during the war, and some great battles between Nazi Germany and the US took place right here. U-869 was found wrecked off the coast of New Jersey. Even off the New England Coastline U-Boats sank US Ships when in 1945 U-853 sank the “Black Point” in Newport Rhode Island. Another great battle took place and the US Navy sunk the sub right there off the Newport beach shores.
And it wasn’t limited to the Northern East Coast. More than 20 U-Boats operated around the clock in the Gulf of Mexico, sinking 56 Oil Tankers off the coasts of Texas and Louisiana.
And as if that weren’t enough, U-507 sank the US Tanker “Virginia” in 1942, in the Mississippi River, killing 26 Americans.
Clearly you need to hook up with Dana Perino, and the rest of your undereducated historically challenged crowd, and LEARN something about history, before setting out to try and make it.
May 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pmOh and by the way, while you’re registering for a history class for the mentally challenged, you might ask someone about the V-2 Rocket, and Hitlers “plans” for it.
Ever hear of Operation Prüfstand XII?
It was Hitlers plan to destroy the US by parking U-Boats off the Atlantic Coast and launching V-2 Rockets into all Major US Cities.
But of course, you say Hitler “had no plans for attacking the US”….and you’re really smart…
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May 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pmIt’s interesting that the R’s don’t seem to know about German sabotage incursions on the Atlantic coast, since one of those led to the first (and only until 2003) use of the legal category “enemy combatant.”
May 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmPlease, WHEN WILL I HAVE NO MORE PASTY FACE DOUGHBOYS ON MY TV TELLING LIES?
May 25th, 2009 at 10:02 pmNewt Gingrich and to Republican party are trying to “teach” the American public about true conservitism. This is a prime example of what we have to learn. We (the Republicans) can say and do anything and do not hold us accountable. 20% of this country buys this arguement and the the rest of you can go to hell if you don’t like it. This is democracy?
May 25th, 2009 at 10:16 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Your brilliant analysis of U.S. history is flawed…
Nope. Simple fact is, when Japan attacked us, we recognized that as an act of war. Due to the current treaty structure, declaring war on Japan = declaring war on Germany + Italy. Part of the Axis agreement was that they’d give each other a heads-up on any new wars they started, since they’d be dragging each other into them.
Do you have evidence that Japan attacked the U.S. without consulting Hitler first? Because that would be some hella interesting history, there.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:37 amBack to the OP, it’s pretty clear that if someone claims that an NIE report (which although published publicly is still technically a report delivered from the CIA to Congress) is “intellectually dishonest,” they’re saying that the CIA lied to Congress. No two ways about it. Either it’s accurate or it’s misleading. As Gingrich points out, if it’s misleading, then it’s a crime.
While we’re on that subject, how come Republicans haven’t been up in arms to find whoever that CIA scalawag was who took it upon himself to deliver the “bad intelligence” regarding Iraq and WMD’s? I mean if it wasn’t the fault of anyone in the White House, then it must have been the fault of someone in the CIA. The failure to even bother to produce a scapegoat is rather alarming. How could Bush have given Tenet a Presidential Medal of Freedom while the identity of the real “bad intelligence” culprit in the CIA had (has) not been answered? After all, if Bush/Cheney are to be believed, then somebody in the CIA really screwed up horribly and that hasn’t been addressed at all. Until it is, we’ve either got to be suspicious of Bush/Cheney regarding that intelligence, or we can’t trust anything the CIA tells us.
I invite any wingnuts to take their pick from either of those two options.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:12 am