California Supreme Court Upholds Prop. 8 Gay Marriage Ban, But Allows Current Gay Marriages To Stand
California Supreme Court Upholds Prop. 8 Gay Marriage Ban, But Allows Current Gay Marriages To Stand
In a six-to-one decision, the California Supreme Court upheld the state’s ban on gay marriage, the Proposition 8 referendum voters approved last November. The court ruled that Prop. 8 “constitutes a permissible constitutional amendment (rather than an impermissible constitutional revision).” However, the court declared that the 18,000 same-sex marriages conducted last summer, prior to the passage of the proposition, would remain legal and recognized.
Importantly, though the court upheld the ban on the use of the term “marriage” by same-sex couples, it reaffirmed the fundamental constitutional rights of gay couples (p. 7):
[T]he measure carves out a narrow and limited exception to these state constitutional rights, reserving the official designation of the term “marriage” for the union of opposite-sex couples as a matter of state constitutional law, but leaving undisturbed all of the other extremely significant substantive aspects of a same-sex couple’s state constitutional right to establish an officially recognized and protected family relationship and the guarantee of equal protection of the laws.
Indeed, the bulk of the court’s May 2008 ruling that originally legalized gay marriage — which emphasized “respect and dignity” — stands. The LA Times noted that gay people in California will still enjoy greater rights than gay Americans elsewhere:
Sexual orientation will continue to receive the strongest constitutional protection possible when California courts consider cases of alleged discrimination. The California Supreme Court is the only state high court in the nation to have elevated sexual orientation to the status of race and gender in weighing discrimination claims.
The LA Times pointed out that the case for overturning Prop 8 was always a “long shot,” noting that the gay rights’ lawyers “had no solid legal precedent on their side, and some of the court’s earlier holdings on constitutional revisions mildly undercut their arguments.”
The court’s majority concluded “that if there is to be a change to the state constitutional rule embodied in that measure, it must ‘find its expression at the ballot box.’” The ruling virtually ensures such a fight, and it is already getting started
Denying the designation of marriage to same-sex couples cannot fairly be described as a “narrow” or “limited” exception to the requirement of equal protection; the passionate public debate over whether same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, even in a state that offers largely equivalent substantive rights through the alternative of domestic partnership, belies such a description. [...]But even a narrow and limited exception to the promise of full equality strikes at the core of, and thus fundamentally alters, the guarantee of equal treatment that has pervaded the California Constitution since 1849. Promising equal treatment to some is fundamentally different from promising equal treatment to all. Promising treatment that is almost equal is fundamentally different from ensuring truly equal treatment. Granting a disfavored minority only some of the rights enjoyed by the majority is fundamentally different from recognizing, as a constitutional imperative, that they must be granted all of those rights. (p. 155-7)
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There is surely enough support to overturn Prop 8 that it will appear on the ballot once more.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pmThis time, supporters will not be as complacent. I guarantee.
Of course I mean supporters of gay marriage.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm.
SHAME!
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May 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pmThat sucks. It’s a lousy ruling all the way around.
Shame on you, CA (allegedly) Supreme Court.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pmSo the many can still take away the rights of the few…sounds like slavery to me.
Just in a different form.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pm.
Damn activist Judges.
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May 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pmDamm, I guess that means I won’t be able to marry my cat or the cute little dog of my neighbors.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pmTotally called it… Our government treats us like quarreling siblings. This is another bull$hit compromise.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pmI hate being Californian right now…
May 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pmQuite a peculiar ruling, but I guess it could be worse. Regardless, it’s only a matter of time before courts recognize same sex marriage.
Blog post below title: “Jesus Had Two Dads, What’s So Wrong With That?” Thought that was clever.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1344
May 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pmBeethoven Rules Says:
Damm, I guess that means I won’t be able to marry my cat or the cute little dog of my neighbors.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
May 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pm~~~~
How long did it take for you to become this moronic?
The ballot box should never be used to have one group deny rights to another. The rights of so many other groups- African-Americans, women, children, immigrants, etc. could just as easily be/have been influenced negatively by right wing radical groups at the ballot box.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pmJoin Repair California: http://www.repaircalifornia.org and lets write equality into a new state constitution!
May 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm.
tullypain,
Who says? I know many straights that like it too.
Do you think it’s only gays that engage in it?
p.s.
Beethoven Rules,
… To equate human life to a dog or a cat, shallow.
.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThere is no stronger force than an idea whose time has come.
Gay marriage will sooner or later become a ho-hum issue. Well…as ho-hum as abortion will ever be…ho-hum for religiously sane individuals.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:56 pmNo, no — you can still have butt sex, tullypain.
You just can’t marry the dude who’s putting it to you.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pmralph,
What’s the difference in tullypain’s argument?
tullypain can still marry the girl pegging him.
.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pmTax the g*ddamned Mormon Church – and keep them the hell out of our government.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pmAt least all the little-boy buggers, men-on-dog fiends, and closeted Republican politicans can safely and soundly sleep tonight,not having to fret over two gays marrying in Calif!
May 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pmArt, I second your guarantee. Once the hype dies down, they’ll fix this, and gay folks will have equal rights finally.
It will take a lot longer to get the courts to stop spying on us and denying ’suspects’ their basic civil rights. Just sayin’.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pmSo the will of some organized bigots can decide the rights of a people. Why don’t we pass a resolution banning right-wing hacks from owning homes, cars, using our roads & attending our schools and colleges. Why don’t we just shut them out of pervading mainstream society? They can force their will on others, so why don’t we fight back?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pmThis is disgusting. There’s a little bit of a silver lining, and it will definitely galvanize the movement for equality. We’ll have to wait a little longer for generational shift, a movement that will more effectively reach out to all communities in California. What’s important since Prop. 8 came down and the ensuing judicial debate is that the dialogue is staying open, we are discussing this with our families and communities, and I don’t think we’ll be disappointed come 2010 when we go back to the booths!
until then, for Californians who stand up for equality, this is where to be this Saturday:
http://meetinthemiddle4equality.com/
May 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pmLeftside Annie Says:
Tax the g*ddamned Mormon Church – and keep them the hell out of our government.
Lets be fair about this… tax all the churches, since they all want to interfere with government and tell people how to vote.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pmHAHA..It is so funny to hear you lefties whine when you lose in a faif vote AND a liberal court..So the HOMO’s lost in the gayest state in the Union and somehow you will blame this on the “right” or some religious group..instead of who was rteally responsible..the African -American and Latino community..But then you CAN”T call them out, they are part of the left’s “SPECIAL VICTIMS UNITS” you need to keep in order to get your crazy agendas pushed. This cracks me up, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..I love it when you whine
May 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pmI wouldn’t be surprised to see an appeal to this ruling… 14th amendment protects citizens from their state governments doing such a thing.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pmThis is unconstitutional.
A majority should never be allowed to take away, vote against rights of a minority.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pmThe day will come when LGBT people have equal rights.
Deal with it.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pmWhat a sad person this hillbilly must be.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pmMany of these bigots, I’m sure, don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes, and that’s one big reason California is in a serious rut. They vote to cap their property taxes while enjoying life in the nation’s, and one of the world’s, largest economies.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pmHillbillyjihad,
There has been serious debate as to black and latino communities’ votes and impact, and a conclusion was more one of faith-based division in the voting. You’re wrong. I didn’t really need to waste time typing that to you, because everyone here knows you’re wrong, and sad and smug for the moment, because usually it’s you entitled straight white men who are crying about your loss of power and status and ability to exploit everyone around you that isn’t exactly like you.
Everything is changing around you, and you’re so pathetic that you have to post on a progressive blog when the change slows down just a little bit. Good luck with that.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:09 pmhillbillyjihad Spews
…instead of who was rteally responsible..the African -American and Latino community…
As an African American I resented that when the right spewed it on Fox News, and I resent that now that you posted that. If not a single Black person voted on that Proposition, it STILL would have passed.
And had it not been for Saddleback (ironic name) and the Mormon church in Utah putting all that $ to the “cause” it probably wouldn’t have been an issue at all right now.
Where were these people when the hypocritical Catholic church’s bishop’s were clinging to young boys???
May 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmRealness
That is very funny, Nothing is changing for me “the more things chhange, the more they stay the same,” look at your Boy Obama, Playing golf while N. Korea explodes nuke, No 5 day posting of bills he promised before signing, GITMO staying open, Military Tribunals staying. Sounds a little Like GW..HAHA, you lefties fall for anything, give a guy a silvery tongue and you will follow him right off the cliff. You’re so clueless. You are such followers ‘Oh, Please Barack LEAD US to the promised land”…What a bunch of lemmings..HAHAHA
And as for posting on a liberal blog, I always read them, unlike you I like alternative points of views. Just when they are dangerous and hateful, I actuallly have to defend the defenseless
May 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
HAHA..It is so funny to hear you lefties whine when you lose in a faif vote AND a liberal court..So the HOMO’s lost in the gayest state in the Union and somehow you will blame this on the “right” or some religious group..
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks…”
May 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pmAnd as for posting on a liberal blog, I always read them, unlike you I like alternative points of views. Just when they are dangerous and hateful, I actuallly have to defend the defenseless
Your lack of self-analysis and the irony of this statement would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
HAHA..It is so funny to hear you lefties whine when you lose in a faif vote AND a liberal court..So the HOMO’s lost in the gayest state in the Union and somehow you will blame this on the “right” or some religious group..i
Of course… bigots like you can’t wait to spew your hatred over something you obviously know nothing about.
This is about a group of people being discriminated against. What ever the group type, the majority should never be allowed to vote against rights of a minority.
The constitution is suppose to protect against this.
So get your head out of your perverted a$$ and begin looking at this for what it is.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:18 pmOther assumptions by a halfwit:
-That progressives don’t read differing viewpoints.
-That all progressives voted for and agree with the President.
-That within months the President has come anywhere near the spectacular failure of dubya.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThe “progressive’ state of Ca.: where the governator they should TOTAL RECALL, is getting rid of welfare and childrens’ health care, too!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:20 pmGood point, tullypain. Don’t let us hold you back from the mailbox. I’m sure you’re waiting for coupon for coupon for a free haircut with the once a decade dental cleaning, you backwoods bigoted moron.
Does anybody ever get on patterico’s pontifications? I recommend going there and screwing around with them for a while. You won’t regret it.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:21 pmThe right/wrong, who believe (supposedly) in small govt, is for the govt telling people who can get married! Hypocrites!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pmHillbillyMoron just go shoot yourself. You arent ever going to be anything but a moron and a punkass troll. The world doesnt need morons like you inbreeding your stupid into our gene pool. Just go shoot yourself before your sister/wife allows you to pollute our genepool
May 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pmI thank God for his works that occurred today. Jesus’ will has been done. Morality is being restored in this nation. Thank you, Lord.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm#
tullypain Says:
All fags should die.
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No, they should not die, but they will answer to God on Judgment day.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:29 pmHas the world ended in Iowa?
Have women started marrying their cats, or men marrying their tractors?
Nope. Guess it was all just fear-baiting after all…
May 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pmLooktothehills-
Incomprehensible. Would Jesus have supported your need to praise him on a progressive blog where many have been saddened by this news? You’re a disgusting hypocrite and you would be spat out by your God if he even existed.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pmtullypain Says:
All fags should die.
Here’s a fine outstanding example of the wrong wing’s mentality.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pmTo her, the Term” We the People” means “We Some of the People”
Hey pain? Do they let you off of the compound much?
And tell me something? How’s David Duke these days?
Remember, White Pride!
You are a disgrace to the very foundations of this country.
I’ll bet you belong to the Aryan Nations. C’mon admit it.
Look to the hills:
Are you married? If not, are you a virgin? If so, were you a virgin when you were married? We all live in sin, hill-boy, but salvation lies in accepting Jesus as your savior. It is foolish to think your ‘good works’ are what separates you from these supposed ‘heathens’. How dare you. I suggest you pray for forgiveness for the sin of pride tonight.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pmlooktothehills Says:
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tullypain Says:
All fags should die.
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“No, they should not die, but they will answer to God on Judgment day.”
And so will all of you. You’re God will reject all of you.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmlooktothehills Says:
I thank God for his works that occurred today. Jesus’ will has been done. Morality is being restored in this nation. Thank you, Lord.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
The gay couples who got married in California are still married, Darryl. I think God f ucked up.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmHi Trajan!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmLooktothehills is a false Christian, like most of them in the U.S. today. You are so blinded by your own conservatism and inability to really understand your own faith that all you can do is support inequality.
“Do no harm” is lost on any of you moronic lemmings. Just jump off the cliff, already.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pmoh please please please !!!
just FLAGE the idiots.
please!
respond with FACTS only – no need to COPY the bullshite…
please…
May 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pmFLAG FLAG FLAG.
(an EDIT function would be SO wonderful, TP…)
May 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pmohioboy Says:
Good point, tullypain. Don’t let us hold you back from the mailbox. I’m sure you’re waiting for coupon for coupon for a free haircut with the once a decade dental cleaning
Mullets don’t need more than a trim. His sister/girlfriend does that for him.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pmKaty-
today more than ever I’ve needed an “ignore” option.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pmNice retort lefties!!!
Haircuts? once a year dental cleanings? shoot myself? and how about the troll who says Jesus would be happy? That is a lie
If you actually believed in a God besides Obama, you’d know he weeps constantly over the way we treat each other. But that wouldn’t interest the “enlightened” here on this electronic tomb of wisdom (sic) anyway, Gays have every right every other American has under the constitution. I personally believe this should be a state issue, So if California does want to let gays marry Okay, if South Caroilina doesn’t okay. So you can “vote with your feet” and move to the place you think is better. The Feds have too much power. And as you can see by the news States are starting to ascert these rights. FINALLY
May 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pmlooktothehills Says:
I thank God for his works that occurred today. Jesus’ will has been done. Morality is being restored in this nation. Thank you, Lord.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
May 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pm~~~
Yes, the 18,000 same sex couples who married were upheld – they are still married! Now we’ll work on getting equality for all.
Realness Says:
Looktothehills-
Incomprehensible. Would Jesus have supported your need to praise him on a progressive blog where many have been saddened by this news? You’re a disgusting hypocrite and you would be spat out by your God if he even existed.
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Sure, they should be sad. The Bible is against homosexuality. There should be no happiness towards sin.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pmtullypain – you owe back time in Iraq. Even after we’re gone, you need to be making up for the time you wasted sending every fallen soldier/airman/sailor/marine to their death.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pmebbAndflow Says:
looktothehills Says:
I thank God for his works that occurred today. Jesus’ will has been done. Morality is being restored in this nation. Thank you, Lord.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
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Yes, the 18,000 same sex couples who married were upheld – they are still married! Now we’ll work on getting equality for all.
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Not as long as I am living.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmlooktothehills Says:
Morality is being restored in this nation.
Let’s add up all the divorces from some esteemed “moral” straight folks…Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Liz Taylor, J-Lo, etc.
looktothehills Says:
they will answer to God on Judgment day.
Most of the gays I know have very little to fear if/when Judgment Day ever comes. They do as much or more for their community, nation and world as any of the straight folks I know.
And if that wacky sky fairy of yours actually does exist outside of your solipsys, I think the hypocrites have far more to fear than those of us who love others of the same sex.
Wacky sky fairy…you kids make me laugh…
May 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmRealness Says:
Looktothehills is a false Christian, like most of them in the U.S. today. You are so blinded by your own conservatism and inability to really understand your own faith that all you can do is support inequality.
“Do no harm” is lost on any of you moronic lemmings. Just jump off the cliff, already.
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You are right. I will continue to protest homosexuality. We must uphold Jesus’ word, right?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmlooktothehills Says:
Not as long as I am living.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
That’s what the racist whites in the south used to say about black people going to white schools.
Black people like you, Darryl.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmbarracks9 Says:
looktothehills Says:
Morality is being restored in this nation.
Let’s add up all the divorces from some esteemed “moral” straight folks…Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Liz Taylor, J-Lo, etc.
looktothehills Says:
they will answer to God on Judgment day.
Most of the gays I know have very little to fear if/when Judgment Day ever comes. They do as much or more for their community, nation and world as any of the straight folks I know.
And if that wacky sky fairy of yours actually does exist outside of your solipsys, I think the hypocrites have far more to fear than those of us who love others of the same sex.
Wacky sky fairy…you kids make me laugh…
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They can do many good deeds in this nation, but if they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pmThis the result of the “I got mine, go get your own!” value system that was the cornerstone of the Reagan years.
African-American civil rights? I got mine, go get your own!
Womens’ Rights? I got mine, go get your own!
Mormon religious persecution? I got mine, go get your own!
Thanks, GNOP, for continuing to foster an ongoing lack of compassion and willingness to marginalize minorities.
PEACE
May 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pmlooktothehills Says:
They can do many good deeds in this nation, but if they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
You are SO f ucked, Daryll.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmfirst off, just so the ill informed can learn, “butt sex” is enjoyed by heterosexual couples too!
That being said, this one here is in need of some serious release.
“butt sex” and crying? Must really want to try.
“all fags must die”? So because others are enjoying what you can’t have, they must cease to exist?
Your momma must be so proud.
GROW THE FCK UP!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThis isn’t over. The next election will change all of this.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThe thing is the bigots spent all their money campaigning for this in Calif. That’s why so many other states have passed same sex marriages. They came after Calif. Now at least 4 other states have passed same sex marriages. There will be more. It’s just a matter of time.
I’m going to enjoy hearing all those heads explode.
Stand Back Folks! You don’t want to get any on ya.
undue influence by people that believe in a magic man in the sky
more proof that belief in religion is a mental illness
May 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Not as long as I am living.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
That’s what the racist whites in the south used to say about black people going to white schools.
Black people like you, Darryl.
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Being biased towards a group because of their color is wrong. Being biased towards groups that want they heinous sexual act recognized in society is wrong. If it were God’s will for homosexuals to be intimate, why can’t they conceive? Why aren’t their organs naturally configured for sex with one another.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pmlooktothehills Says: They can do many good deeds in this nation, but if they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
Answer this: is that above statement true for all sinners? Or is it just reserved for “teh gays”?
Because if it’s all sinners…it’s gonna suck for just about everyone, seeing how no one is without sin, eh?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pmSpencermoms said:
“Thanks, GNOP, for continuing to foster an ongoing lack of compassion and willingness to marginalize minorities”
I remember that game, I loved it “while your GNIP’ing, he’s GNOP’ing”.. GNIP GNOP
May 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pmRantingTommy Says:
undue influence by people that believe in a magic man in the sky
more proof that belief in religion is a mental illness
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You didn’t wake yourself up this morning. It was God.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pmif there was a god, there would be no religion
May 26th, 2009 at 2:45 pmbarracks9 Says:
looktothehills Says: They can do many good deeds in this nation, but if they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
Answer this: is that above statement true for all sinners? Or is it just reserved for “teh gays”?
Because if it’s all sinners…it’s gonna suck for just about everyone, seeing how no one is without sin, eh?
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My comment pertains to all sinners.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:45 pmlookslikeahillbilly is just another right wing coward that not only fears gay people but is afraid of a fictional sky fairy that loves him but will burn him forever if he doesn’t follow a debatable set of rules
what a pansy
May 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pmonly sissies fear gay people getting married
why are you such a sissy, hills?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
They can do many good deeds in this nation, but if they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
You are SO f ucked, Daryll.
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No, my life is correlated to the the word of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pmif they follow in the ways of sin, their good deeds are considered invalid.
You’ve now essentially said that there’s no good in the universe.
How sad for you?
Why do you make baby Jesus cry?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWhy argue with looktothehills. it’s not even debate. It’s the same as usual: it’s talking to a zombie. There is no critical thinking.
What make me happy is that the amount of people like him are shrinking in this country, and maybe then the stranglehold of ignorance will let up a little bit and then we’ll see what really happens. :)
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmpoor little hillbilly
you bigots are being marginalized
your belief in childish fairy tales is telling
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmRantingTommy Says:
only sissies fear gay people getting married
why are you such a sissy, hills?
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I fear no one, but God. I do not support actions that are against God’s will.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmThe split decision doesn’t make any sense. This is brokered judgment to avoid controversy — sorry, not going to work. The same court said it was OK for 18,000 marriages to occur; my question is, how can you limit the scope of your ruling to benefit only 18,000 couples with a cutoff date?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmDaryll, you must be so proud to share the same viewpoint as the ignorant racists who post their hate speech here.
Question: Who would Jesus discriminate against? Which of God’s children would he single out for hate?
PEACE
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmLookintoherstupid.
Jesus never said a WORD about homosexuality MORON
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pmBS hills, you fear everything because you are a sissy
you are afraid of a god that is plain fiction
that makes you a sissy
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pmYou didn’t wake yourself up this morning. It was God.
No, I am pretty sure it was because I had to pee…
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pmHillbillyMORON
Just go kill yourself. You are too stupid to do the world any good and are wasting precious oxygen that someone capable of higher brain function could be using. I do love to laugh at morons as stupid as you though and you are an object lesson on inbreeding
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pmNo body here fears gays, To me it’s like going to a state fair and seeing the freak show, you know the two headed baby, the bearded lady and the man who likes other men’s balls bouncing off his chin. It is an oddity, a freak show, they come out to protest and claim they are normal, you pay to see it and stare with amazment and disgust, and then you go home and forget about it…that is what most people think about HOMO’s..Like it or not
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pmRealness Says:
Why argue with looktothehills. it’s not even debate. It’s the same as usual: it’s talking to a zombie. There is no critical thinking.
What make me happy is that the amount of people like him are shrinking in this country, and maybe then the stranglehold of ignorance will let up a little bit and then we’ll see what really happens. :)
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Hey, I have a baby girl on the way. Based on my teachings and influence, she and her associates will eventually help the resurgence of the conservative agenda.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMore proof of the brain washing by religion.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pmAre people who don’t subscribe to any religion or religious belief any less a citizen of this country?
Are you saying that only you and your ilk are entitled to the Bill of Rights?
How do you feel about biracial marriages?
I’ll bet you don’t approve of those either do you?
Fookin Bigot!
ok, there is no reasoning with a hillbilly pansy that still believes in childish fairy tales
May 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pmDarryl, you jihadist self-centered piece of shit. Please go stink up the interior of your Chevy Tahoe and shut the hell up. Thanks.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pmRantingTommy Says:
BS hills, you fear everything because you are a sissy
you are afraid of a god that is plain fiction
that makes you a sissy
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Jesus said to fear no one, but him. Therefore, you are correct. If I must be categorized as a sissy to fear and please God, so be it.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pmParodyll Says:
No, my life is correlated to the the word of God.
God tells you to lie?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pmLike with your wife’s pregnancy? Like with you running for an Indiana county councilman?
’scuse me, but I DON’T THINK SO, you bigoted, homophobic, mucking foron!
I think it’s high time for a well-orchestrated travel and tourism boycott of CA.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
No body here fears gays, To me it’s like going to a state fair and seeing the freak show, you know the two headed baby, the bearded lady and the man who likes other men’s balls bouncing off his chin. It is an oddity, a freak show, they come out to protest and claim they are normal, you pay to see it and stare with amazment and disgust, and then you go home and forget about it…that is what most people think about HOMO’s..Like it or not
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If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmlooktothehills Says:
Being biased towards a group because of their color is wrong. Being biased towards groups that want they heinous sexual act recognized in society is wrong. If it were God’s will for homosexuals to be intimate, why can’t they conceive? Why aren’t their organs naturally configured for sex with one another.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Yeah, you can safely talk about bias now — you’re not living in pre-Civil rights for black America. People died for you, Daryll.
Are you saying God made a mistake when he created gay people? Wow, that’s a big one, Daryll.
The biggest sexual organ in the body is the brain, and brains are configured for all kinds of sex.
DON’T THINK ABOUT BUTT SEKKS, DARYLL!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pmJebus mommy wabbie i want my bobba.
YOU DON’T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT JESUS, YOU ANAL CYST!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pmIf we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
Ridiculous.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pmJesus said to fear no one, but him. Therefore, you are correct. If I must be categorized as a sissy to fear and please God, so be it.
Oooh, you’re not capitalizing God! I’m telling!
PEACE
May 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pmbarracks9 Says:
You didn’t wake yourself up this morning. It was God.
No, I am pretty sure it was because I had to pee…
May 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
God lives in our bladder? Cool.
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DRxJapanese Beetle Says:
Parodyll Says:
No, my life is correlated to the the word of God.
God tells you to lie?
Like with your wife’s pregnancy? Like with you running for an Indiana county councilman?
’scuse me, but I DON’T THINK SO, you bigoted, homophobic, mucking foron!
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My wife is pregnant, and I am looking forward to running for councilman in my home state in 6 years. This is why I will be attending American University to complete a Masters degree in Foreign Affairs.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmlooktothehills
May 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmWhen you got circumcised, all they had to do was kick your sister’s chin.
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AMcG312 Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
Ridiculous.
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FACT!
May 26th, 2009 at 2:56 pmAMcG312 Says:
Ridiculous.
I second that.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:56 pmJust like everything else he posts.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:56 pmDaryll, give it up. Your dick will get chafed.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pmZooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
Being biased towards a group because of their color is wrong. Being biased towards groups that want they heinous sexual act recognized in society is wrong. If it were God’s will for homosexuals to be intimate, why can’t they conceive? Why aren’t their organs naturally configured for sex with one another.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Yeah, you can safely talk about bias now — you’re not living in pre-Civil rights for black America. People died for you, Daryll.
Are you saying God made a mistake when he created gay people? Wow, that’s a big one, Daryll.
The biggest sexual organ in the body is the brain, and brains are configured for all kinds of sex.
DON’T THINK ABOUT BUTT SEKKS, DARYLL!
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GOD NEVER FAILS! Homosexuals are just confused in the ways of sin.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pmlooktothehills Says:
GOD NEVER FAILS! Homosexuals are just confused in the ways of sin.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
God made gay people, Daryll. If God wakes us up in the morning, than God made gay people.
You are saying God made a mistake.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pmAllowing a (very slim) majority to decide a civil rights issue makes less sense than Bush after a weekend drinking bender when he’s trying to pronounce a foreigner’s name ………..
May 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm#
AMcG312 Says:
I think it’s high time for a well-orchestrated travel and tourism boycott of CA.
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And I will respond to your boycott with protests.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pmJust because people voted for it, does not mean that it’s ‘right’. I’m sure a vote to allow hanging of black in the 30s would have passed with flying colors… doesn’t make it ‘right’.
CA needs to amend their laws to require 3/4 voter approval to alter the constitution, so the TRUE majority may have their say… in this instance, there was still 48% that did NOT agree with the change and they’re left S.O.L.
Regardless of what the court said, there is no equality in this prop… it’s one-sided Christian pandering that was acheieved by the HUGE influx if ignorant voters that only came to the polls to vote for Obama. You can be assured that this would not have passed if the religious droves of mindless sheeple stayed home, rather than voting for ‘change’.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pmlooktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
FACT!
No, it’s not a fact. In fact, it’s untenable. How are the terms of a marriage license enforceable between man and a beast or child and adult? Wonder why there’s such a thing as statutory rape? A child is unable to give reasonable consent.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pmlooktothehills Says:
Parodyll Says:
No, my life is correlated to the the word of God.
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No it isnt. It is correlated to your ignorance, brainwashing and stupidity along with what you have been TOLD to believe about INTERPRETATIONS of the bible. You dont know the will of God anymore than the rest of us. You are stupid looky. You do know that dont you?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
looktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
FACT!
No, it’s not a fact. In fact, it’s untenable. How are the terms of a marriage license enforceable between man and a beast or child and adult? Wonder why there’s such a thing as statutory rape? A child is unable to give reasonable consent.
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They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pmI’m tired of facilitating Daryll’s masturbation.
Y’all have fun!
(for heaven’s sake, Daryll, more lotion!)
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pmZooey Says:
God lives in our bladder? Cool.
You would not believe the parties the dude throws…
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pmYa know, it’s funny. Most of these homophobes have sexuality issues. This stuff really bothers them. It hits too close to home. They see a gay couple, and they wonder if they’re gay. The question rolls around in their heads. Ther’re not sure if they are or aren’t. You clowns should just come out of the closet and accept who you are. And stop hating others for it.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pmAdmit it. You’re gay.
Practice celibacy. I did. For 11 years.
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May 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm.
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.Then I turned 12:)
Zooey Says:
looktothehills Says:
GOD NEVER FAILS! Homosexuals are just confused in the ways of sin.
May 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
God made gay people, Daryll. If God wakes us up in the morning, than God made gay people.
You are saying God made a mistake.
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God created people. People created their own intuitions that contradict God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pmlooktothehills Says:
They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
Who – the last time we checked – was not an elected official in the great U.S.of A.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Megaloptera McWars Says:
looktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
FACT!
No, it’s not a fact. In fact, it’s untenable. How are the terms of a marriage license enforceable between man and a beast or child and adult? Wonder why there’s such a thing as statutory rape? A child is unable to give reasonable consent.
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They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
So is the entire Republican Party ; I don’t see you calling for their demise , though …..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pmbarracks9 Says:
looktothehills Says:
They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
Who – the last time we checked – was not an elected official in the great U.S.of A.
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He is the reigning superior official over the Universe.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm#
MCMetal Says:
looktothehills Says:
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Megaloptera McWars Says:
looktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
FACT!
No, it’s not a fact. In fact, it’s untenable. How are the terms of a marriage license enforceable between man and a beast or child and adult? Wonder why there’s such a thing as statutory rape? A child is unable to give reasonable consent.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
So is the entire Republican Party ; I don’t see you calling for their demise , though …..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Proof, please.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm#
mudsharks buddy Says:
Practice celibacy. I did. For 11 years.
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.Then I turned 12:)
May 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
I was a virgin until marriage. It can be done. Look at A.C. Green.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pmHey hills.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pmWho was jesus’s wife?
Who were his girlfriends?
Who were his child/children?
hmmm. No wife.check
No girlfriends.check
No children.Check.
Ok folks. It’s official. jesus was gay!
Zooey Says:
I’m tired of facilitating Daryll’s masturbation.
Y’all have fun!
(for heaven’s sake, Daryll, more lotion!)
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
There is room at the cross for you.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pmlooktothehills Says:
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mudsharks buddy Says:
Practice celibacy. I did. For 11 years.
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.
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.Then I turned 12:)
May 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
I was a virgin until marriage. It can be done. Look at A.C. Green.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Look at Bible Spice and Bristol Palin ……
May 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pmLooktothehills.
I’ll bet you have some huge callous’s on your hands bud.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pmmudsharks buddy Says:
Hey hills.
Who was jesus’s wife?
Who were his girlfriends?
Who were his child/children?
hmmm. No wife.check
No girlfriends.check
No children.Check.
Ok folks. It’s official. jesus was gay!
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In the end, the saints will be considered God’s bride. Also, we are all God’s children, even you. Lastly, I will pray that God removes the blasphemy from your heart.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pmYa know, lookie-look, you are so quick to judge…but how often do you look in the mirror? (And I’m not talking about during your shaking-off-the-devil time either…)
I remember you posting last year about having lustful thoughts and how you mastered them by having sex with/taking it out on your wife. Now, if you weren’t actually procreating at that moment, how is your sin differnt that mine?
My partner and I have had 4 very good years together – we work, we cook, we argue and debate, we live, we love our friends…but we don’t prosthelytize. So, from where I stand, it’s you that’s the sinner. (Hypothetically only, because I don’t see the world in terms of sin or absence of sin.)
May 26th, 2009 at 3:10 pmlooktothehills Says:
There is room at the cross for you.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I’m not into torture.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pmlooktothehills Says:
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They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
So is the entire Republican Party ; I don’t see you calling for their demise , though …..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Proof, please.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Isn’t lying against “God’s will” ?
Spreading false witness ?
Is Obama a Muslim ? Wasn’t born in the US ? A Socialist ?
And how many Republicans have turned out to be closet gays ?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm#
barracks9 Says:
Ya know, lookie-look, you are so quick to judge…but how often do you look in the mirror? (And I’m not talking about during your shaking-off-the-devil time either…)
I remember you posting last year about having lustful thoughts and how you mastered them by having sex with/taking it out on your wife. Now, if you weren’t actually procreating at that moment, how is your sin differnt that mine?
My partner and I have had 4 very good years together – we work, we cook, we argue and debate, we live, we love our friends…but we don’t prosthelytize. So, from where I stand, it’s you that’s the sinner. (Hypothetically only, because I don’t see the world in terms of sin or absence of sin.)
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Regardless of the purpose of intimacy. God loves sex between a husband and wife. Also, God does exist and his words are in the good book, which is titled “THE BIBLE”. Second, God can cure you and your partner. If you want assistance, click my link and visit the Truth of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pmThey are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Darryl, how about you place on the ballot in your respective state a proposition to create the Supreme Court of Theocratic Application?
Does that give you a righteous stiffy?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:14 pmMCMetal Says:
looktothehills Says:
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They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
So is the entire Republican Party ; I don’t see you calling for their demise , though …..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Proof, please.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Isn’t lying against “God’s will” ?
Spreading false witness ?
Is Obama a Muslim ? Wasn’t born in the US ? A Socialist ?
And how many Republicans have turned out to be closet gays ?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Still haven’t seen the birth certificate. Also, Government overtaking Corporate America is socialist behavior.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pmDon’t pray for me hills. Pray to get some rationality.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pmPray for an open mind.
Pray for peace. You know, from the so called prince of peace.
He’s had plenty of opportunities. Yet he doesn’t do anything. Why is that?
Over the last 2000 years, no peace. None.
Tell me oh wise one, what does your crystal ball say?
LOL, they thought the world was flat too.
You are a bought and paid for fundie. Have you ever even considered thinking for yourself?
I hope your child turns out well and healthy. I really do.
But what are you going to do if your child has health issues?
Is that gods will?
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MCMetal Says:
looktothehills Says:
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They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
So is the entire Republican Party ; I don’t see you calling for their demise , though …..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Proof, please.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Isn’t lying against “God’s will” ?
Spreading false witness ?
Is Obama a Muslim ? Wasn’t born in the US ? A Socialist ?
And how many Republicans have turned out to be closet gays ?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Also, the number of faux conservatives that are homosexuals is very minimal.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:18 pmCalifornia: financially bankrupt and now morally bankrupt as well. Whose next in line to have their civil rights taken away?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:19 pmStill haven’t seen the birth certificate.
You haven’t seen it because you’re not actively looking for it. Ignorance is the easy way to validate a concern in your own mind.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pmSeriously Parodyll, just try it. You may enjoy it without shame.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:21 pmGive it a whirl (pun definitely intended)!
republicans hate facts Says:
looktothehills Says:
I remember you posting last year about having lustful thoughts and how you mastered them by having sex with/taking it out on your wife. Now, if you weren’t actually procreating at that moment, how is your sin differnt that mine?
Daryll = Closet Case
looktothehills Says:
Regardless of the purpose of intimacy. God loves sex between a husband and wife. Also, God does exist and his words are in the good book, which is titled “THE BIBLE”. Second, God can cure you and your partner. If you want assistance, click my link and visit the Truth of God.
But *YOU* don’t *KNOW* what GOD wants. Which “BIBLE” you referring to? The King James version says there’s “HELL” even though the Codex in the Vatican doesn’t.
God doesn’t “CURE” sicknesses, DOCTORS DO. They can also treat HOMOPHOBIA and RELIGIOUSLY DELUSIONAL MORONS like you. Go get TREATED – LUNATIC SICKO!
May 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
The book in the Vatican is a book that is vain, which was created by Roman Authoritarians.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pmParodyll Sez:
Also, the number of faux conservatives that are homosexuals is very minimal.
Translation:
May 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThe number of true CONservatives that are homosexuals is very common!
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jbrantow Says:
California: financially bankrupt and now morally bankrupt as well. Whose next in line to have their civil rights taken away?
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I agree with the first, but disagree with the latter. Homosexuality is immoral. Your comment is an oxymoron.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Still haven’t seen the birth certificate. Also, Government overtaking Corporate America is socialist behavior.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Obama’s CERTIFIED birth certificate , tool.
BTW
Government overtaking Corporate America is a Communist action , not a Socialist one ………
May 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pmHere. hills.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pmI suggest you breeze through this.
In any fight for civil rights it’s always Two steps forward, One step back. Marriage equality will prevail in 2010.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pmlooktothehills Says:
Also, the number of faux conservatives that are homosexuals is very minimal.
No, they just don’t like you enough to take you up on your passes at them, Darryl.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pmMan. this thread’s got me all hot and bothered.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHey Parodyll, I think I’m going to ask my wife for some BOOT SAX tonight.
If she complies, are we sinning?
republicans hate facts Says:
looktothehills Says:
I agree with the first, but disagree with the latter. Homosexuality is immoral. Your comment is an oxymoron.
Hate, Bigotry, Intolerance and LYING are *ALL* immoral and you seem to exhibit EVERY SIN in that list. Your comment is a “MORON”, just like YOU.
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I hate no one. The love of Christ is in me. Also, name one lie that was spoken by me.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:27 pmDRxJapanese Beetle Says:
Man. this thread’s got me all hot and bothered.
Hey Parodyll, I think I’m going to ask my wife for some BOOT SAX tonight.
If she complies, are we sinning?
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Sex between husband and wife is good. Sex between an unmarried man and woman or people of the same gender is dark, wretched and sinful.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:29 pmWell, it appears the hills hates catholics too.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:29 pmNice wasp. You are the kind of people that ran the south.
If it ain’t white, it ain’t right.
And those damn papish, always stickin their noses in to where it don’t belong.
I’ll bet you are against darwinism too. ain’t that right bubba?
But Parodyll, what if the wife and husband travel down the Hersey highway. Is that sinful?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:29 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
It is an oddity, a freak show, they come out to protest and claim they are normal, you pay to see it and stare with amazment and disgust, and then you go home and forget about it…that is what most people think about HOMO’s..Like it or not
I don’t get it. Most people like to pay to see gay sex? Is that how you see it?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:30 pmlooktothehills Says:
I hate no one. The love of Christ is in me. Also, name one lie that was spoken by me.
That God told you Huckabee would be president.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pmWant some more?
looktothehills would have us believe he CHOSE to be a virgin until married
that choice was made by the people that wouldn’t have you, you silly little redneck coward
May 26th, 2009 at 3:32 pmdaryll
Do you know that the King James version of the Bible was a new translation and compilation of approved books of the Bible to confirm the divine right of kings to rule and to maintain the social hierarchy and completed in 1611 ?
Who “approved” them ?
“God” ?
Not a chance in hell………..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:32 pmI know you “enlightened” people who know what is right spent your memorial Day weekend sucking either on a bong or a meat pipe But Take a look at this and perhaps all your petty whining fill fade into triviality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyZ9b4My6NU
May 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pmDarryl is probably one of those filthy hellbound shellfish eaters. You can practically smell the shellfish on his breath while he vilifies teh gays. I don’t condone the pro-shellfish lifestyle choice, and I don’t believe that shellfish eaters should be allowed rights under the First Amendment to tell me their opinion on homosexuality, as they are clearly subhuman and flout both nature and God.
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looktothehills Says:
There is room at the cross for you.
We aren’t concerned with whatever kinky bondage gear you keep in your basement, shellfish-eater.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pmpoor little right wing coward thinks there is a magic man in the sky, which is silly enough, but then he also believes this magic man is as obsessed with what people do with their genitalia as runtothehills is
why are you so obsessed with gay sex, hillbilly?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmWait! If unmarried sex is sinful (which was/is probably practiced by 99% here), then LET THE GAYS GET MARRIED!
May 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmEnd.
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mudsharks buddy Says:
Well, it appears the hills hates catholics too.
Nice wasp. You are the kind of people that ran the south.
If it ain’t white, it ain’t right.
And those damn papish, always stickin their noses in to where it don’t belong.
I’ll bet you are against darwinism too. ain’t that right bubba?
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Creationism is the truth. Also, the Catholic religion is wrong. Jesus never told man to worship or pray to Mary or his disciples. Jesus never said that the priest should be celibate. Jesus never said to ordain gay Catholic priests. The people in Catholic religion are confused, but better divert from their foolish ways before Christ returns.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmwhy do you whine so much, hillbilly?
you sure are one big sissy
May 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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I know you “enlightened” people who know what is right spent your memorial Day weekend sucking either on a bong or a meat pipe But Take a look at this and perhaps all your petty whining fill fade into triviality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyZ9b4My6NU
May 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I spent most of yesterday at a cemetery , you arrogant , ignorant redneck rube ……..
May 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pmhillbily ignores that Jesus wore sandals and robes and hung around almost exclusively with other robed men
sounds like a gay orgy to me
May 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmSex between an unmarried man and woman or people of the same gender is dark, wretched and sinful.
You’ve mistaken what you see in front of the mirror for a consensual sexual act.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWrong, hillybill Trajan.
I spent my Memorial Day weekend with family and friends, giving thanks to those that served (or are serving).
And I thanked God for such a lovely three day respite.
You?
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Wayne Says:
looktothehills Says:
I hate no one. The love of Christ is in me. Also, name one lie that was spoken by me.
That God told you Huckabee would be president.
Want some more?
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That was a misconstrued lack of interpretation.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmMcMetal,
WHOA..Calm down there sparky, I wouldn’t want you to go swinging your purse around wildly
May 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pmlooktothehills Says:
Creationism is the truth.
And Huckabee is the President.
Freaking whackjob.
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RantingTommy Says:
hillbily ignores that Jesus wore sandals and robes and hung around almost exclusively with other robed men
sounds like a gay orgy to me
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I rebuke every blasphemy spirit that is in you, IN JESUS NAME! Jesus, save him.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pmIn California, there is required a 2/3 majority for the legislature to pass a budget or to raise taxes. The OC Register has stated that this protects us from the whims of the legislature. County measures require a 2/3 majority to raise the sales tax in the county in order to fund various projects like transportation. Ironically it is EASIER to impose discrimination on a marginalized group of people than to raise taxes…Time to amend the California Constitution…
May 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pmExcuse me, Parodyll, but you’ve yet to answer my question.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pmIf my wife and I engage in non-vaginal sex, are we sinning?
Who would have guessed that our friend Daryll would show up on a gay-themed thread.?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pmlooktothehills Says:
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Creationism is the truth. Also, the Catholic religion is wrong. Jesus never told man to worship or pray to Mary or his disciples. Jesus never said that the priest should be celibate. Jesus never said to ordain gay Catholic priests. The people in Catholic religion are confused, but better divert from their foolish ways before Christ returns.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Creationism is a BELIEF ; beliefs are based upon HOPE and FAITH , and neither TRUTH nor FACT.
Stop making shit up ………
May 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pmYet the person with the love of Christ embodies everything that Christ rejected, JUDGING people according to his standards of morality like the Pharisees…Yes, the love of Christ, ever judging and hellfire and brimstone-like. Gee, I guess I read the liberally-biased Gospels…instead of the good stuff, eh?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmspare me your rubkue in your loose, gay orgy participant’s name
May 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmrebuke too
May 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmlooktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
They are all perverted acts that are against the will of God.
Wow. What about all those patriarchs in the Old Testament with multiple wives. What about King David, whose line eventually included Joseph? If God disapproved, why did he never mention anything about it? It’s not like he had trouble coming up with rules.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmEdit #184
Sex between an unmarried man and woman or people of the same gender is dark, wretched and sinful.
Darryl — You’ve mistaken a consensual sexual act for what you see in front of the mirror.
That’s better.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmHills you’re a bigot. Admit it. And Be Healed!
It’s Armageddon!
May 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pmcopyrights are expressly the soul property of MGM.
All right’s reserved.
Well I would tell you about my military sevice, But that would only enrage the “professorial elite” here who believe if you serve your country you must be a low-brow rube, So lets just say I spent tyhe first two years after my retirement in the Green zone, Because Unlike you people, I went over to see for myself and it was quite nice. And if you don’t believe me any one who has been there knows about the olympic pool that used to be by the PX, or Ths CASH, or perhaps What the ‘Plywood Palace” is?..any takers?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pmso, looktothehills, who watches the still while you come in here to obsess about gay sex?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pmDamn, I hate getting into these threads late.
Beethoven up at #8 bemoans the loss of his right to boink kittens and puppies. I think that is significant. Some oppose gay marriage because they are petophiles (pun intended) and need a law to keep themselves in check.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pmlooktothehills Says:
That was a misconstrued lack of interpretation.
In other words, you lied your ass off when you said God told you Huckabee would be President.
Do you want me to post the other lies yet, Daryll?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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McMetal,
WHOA..Calm down there sparky, I wouldn’t want you to go swinging your purse around wildly
May 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Pipe down , rube ; your homophobia and ignorant hayseed behavior isn’t enough to get anyone riled up , much less me.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pmBu,bu, but Mary is the mother of god?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pmAnd man is short one rib too.
Hitler would be so proud of ebbAndflow, tullypain and hillbillyjihad
May 26th, 2009 at 3:44 pmYou’re clearly an idiot, since there are several veterans among our regulars, and they are generally among the sharpest and most progressive folks in the community.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pmI am sure they are, Most service men and women are extremely smart, honorable and selfless, at least they were. And I would serve proudly next to them, lets just see if any jump in here and tell me there unit, MOS and where thay trained. I find it highly unlikely. This is not a place Men of Honor would find solace or comfort
May 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pmDaryll, you carry yourself as one who knows the Bible well and leans on it to support so much of your personal set of values. Back when you called yourself “RaptureReady”, you posted on a thread here the following comment:
I’ve searched my Bible, but I have been unable to locate this particular verse, in which the Bible says “an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”.
Can you identify the book, chapter and verse for me? Thanks awfully.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pmhillybilltrajan Says:
Well, nothing really. Just trying to impress us with his non military experience.
What’s next?
A cut and paste from someone’s military career?
Hi Jake!
May 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pmBS hillbilly, you ignorant rube
you are playing straw man again (look it up)
you’re trying to say that liberals hate the military when obviously, the exact opposite is true
we don’t fall for that kind of right wing ignorance
May 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pmHey there Hillbully! Trained at B-3-1 in Fort Ord, AIT there and Fort Ben Harrison, one year to the day at 3rd Armored Div Frankfurt, Germany, and one year to the day in Nam, DaNang and Phu Bai, 12th Signal group. 71h30, but worked a lot of other MOS as well. Why don’t you go eff yourself.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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Well I would tell you about my military sevice, But that would only enrage the “professorial elite” here who believe if you serve your country you must be a low-brow rube, So lets just say I spent tyhe first two years after my retirement in the Green zone, Because Unlike you people, I went over to see for myself and it was quite nice. And if you don’t believe me any one who has been there knows about the olympic pool that used to be by the PX, or Ths CASH, or perhaps What the ‘Plywood Palace” is?..any takers?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Yeah , and I’d tell you about my experiences as the principal ruler over the entire European land-mass ………
If I actually had any experiences as that.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm#
DRxJapanese Beetle Says:
Excuse me, Parodyll, but you’ve yet to answer my question.
If my wife and I engage in non-vaginal sex, are we sinning?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
If it’s oral or anal, yes, it is a sin. I apologize, but unlike most of you, my break is over. I must continue to complete a specific phase of my project.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pmMy point, hillbilly, was that your assumption that there is anyone here who fits your cartoonish characterization that recounting of one’s military service record “would only enrage the “professorial elite” here who believe if you serve your country you must be a low-brow rube” is not only mistaken, but delusional.
Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThis is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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I am sure they are, Most service men and women are extremely smart, honorable and selfless, at least they were. And I would serve proudly next to them, lets just see if any jump in here and tell me there unit, MOS and where thay trained. I find it highly unlikely. This is not a place Men of Honor would find solace or comfort
May 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
One doesn’t need wear a uniform or wield an M-16 to have “honor” , you ignorant toad ……..Believe Mother Theresa didn’t have “honor” ?
Jesus ?
Martin Luther King ?
You’re an arrogant , yet insignificant speck …….
May 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pmlooktothehills Says:
“I must continue to complete a specific phase of my project.”
is that the phase where you put on your tinfoil hat and hide under you bed in fear of teh gayz?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pmRUCeriousMaggot!
May 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pmNo Shit?!
I was in H 2 3.
75/78.
Parodyll Says:
If it’s oral or anal, yes, it is a sin. I apologize, but unlike most of you, my break is over. I must continue to complete a specific phase of my project.
Translation:
May 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pmAll this naughty posting has made me “release” myself while shaking off the devil, and I’ve made quite a mess on my keyboard. Please excuse me while I get some kleenex, and then take a nappie nap!
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mudsharks buddy Says:
Bu,bu, but Mary is the mother of god?
And man is short one rib too.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Last post, Mary is not the official mother of Jesus. God used the Holy Ghost to impregnate Mary, so he could come on earth in the form of a man. Mary was just a vessel. Why do you think Mary have to receive the Holy Ghost in the upper room just like everyone else? She was no better than anyone else. She was just a vessel, like I am today.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pmi looked to the hills and all i saw was an inbred moron spouting jibberish.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pmOK, i’m in mod now. time to take a break.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmhasta folks.
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This is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ummm ……………The “normal route” to decide any civil rights issue is the courts , not a (very slim) voting majority ; a civil rights determination should never be voted on by the populace …….
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
Well I would tell you about my military sevice
So how many years did they have you on latrine cleaning duty?
By the way, what was your MOS?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmlooktothehills Says:
And I will respond to your boycott with protests.
You’re going to protest a boycott? Good luck with that one. Idiot.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmI think it’s high time for a well-orchestrated travel and tourism boycott of CA
Aww some on not not all of us were stupid enough to vote for Prop 8. I sure as hell didn’t.
I am sure they are, Most service men and women are extremely smart, honorable and selfless, at least they were. And I would serve proudly next to them, lets just see if any jump in here and tell me there unit, MOS and where thay trained. I find it highly unlikely. This is not a place Men of Honor would find solace or comfort
I trained on the USS Constellation. I hurt my back before I could be deployed. I was an AO. I can assure you I am a woman of honor, certainly more honorable than yourself obviously and I find much comfort here. If you bothered to read you would know that most if not all of us support our military personnel.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmwhoops apparently sitting in class staring at a projector will screw up your spelling :)
I meant some of us, not all of us were stupid… etc. in post 227.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pmParodyll Says:
If it’s oral or anal…
What part of “non-vaginal” did you not comprehend?
May 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pmDRxJapanese Beetle,
May 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pmParodyll enjoys being on his knees in the middle of an all male, self-stim bukakke party so, it’s easy to see his confusion on the matter
MCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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This is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ummm ……………The “normal route” to decide any civil rights issue is the courts , not a (very slim) voting majority ; a civil rights determination should never be voted on by the populace …….
Really, so the courts passed the 15th, 19th and 24th amendments? Did not know that, um…….
May 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pmYeah daryll
Run away when I point out that Creationism is not “Truth” (and why it isn’t) , along with pointing out the King James Bible was compiled under the most dubious circumestances and intent …….
Coward.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:01 pmWell for those who served in Vietnam, My Hats off to you and you have my undying respect, I am curious as to why you would align yourselves with those who spat on you, jeered you, called you vile names in your service and those who still today consider you no more that “barbarians”. I am not old enough to have seen those days of tumult, I can only listen to my uncles and watch the documentaries to know not only did yu not have the support of the politicians, but neither that of those who were to afaraid to go and help you, who burned their draft cards and protested you…RIGHT UP UNATIL THE DAY THE DRAFT WAS ELIMINTAED”…then after knowing they were safe, seems all their faux support for you vanished into the halls of academia or the head shops of all the major cities. I salute you and honor you. Those individuals and the children of those people who come here to mock and denegrate you, your service and your country will always hold you up as exam;ples of their”support” and use you to forward an agenda..Think about it
May 26th, 2009 at 4:01 pmIt originally passed through the “normal way” of the state legislature, but the courageous Republican governor said it was properly handled in the courts. In vetoing the bill, Schwarzenegger noted that a state appeals court was considering whether the state’s ban on gay marriage is constitutional and that the issue would likely be decided by the California Supreme Court.
“If the ban of same-sex marriage is unconstitutional this bill is not necessary,” he said. “If the ban is constitutional this bill is ineffective.”
Then, when the state Supreme Court ruled the previous ballot initiative unconstitutional, the measure had succeeded through two of the three “normal ways” available — and in truth, the two most common ways that principles become enshrined in law.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pmlooktothehills Says:
If we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
FACT!
No, sorry, you are incorrect. Polygamy is still illegal. Beastiality, well, that’s not love and I haven’t heard of a lobbying group working on this one, so don’t really see anyone lining up for the opportunity. And no, we have the age of consent laws, so don’t think the child marriage lobby is really on the ball, either.
You’ve made such a stupid counter-argument effort. Where are the pro-beastiality marriage webistes? When was the last child marriage protest?
Non-issue. Next.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pmI think it’s high time for a well-orchestrated travel and tourism boycott of CA
Please do.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
“I am curious as to why you would align yourselves with those who spat on you”
what?! who here supports five deferment dick cheney?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm54thursday,
May 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pmWhat you call “judicial fiat” occurs on the bench all the time. Brown v. Bd. of Ed., being the most famous example, Loving v. Virginia being the most apt. The law says “X” (for example “equal protection of the law”), but in any given factual situation, what X means is not always clear, so we have appellate courts for those close cases. Appellate courts then fill in with small brushes what the big brush stokes could not cover. Judges “interpret” the law in every situation; it is only when the interpretation goes against the conservative viewpoint that the decision is then called “activist.”
hillbillyjihad
May 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pmShove it bubba.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Do you think all military personnel or vets subscribe to your beliefs?
Geeeezzzzuuussssssss! Your ignorance is astounding.
My oh my. hillbilly seems to have learned all his history from Bill O’Reilly.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pmAustin Says:
54thursday,
What you call “judicial fiat” occurs on the bench all the time. Brown v. Bd. of Ed., being the most famous example, Loving v. Virginia being the most apt. The law says “X” (for example “equal protection of the law”), but in any given factual situation, what X means is not always clear, so we have appellate courts for those close cases. Appellate courts then fill in with small brushes what the big brush stokes could not cover. Judges “interpret” the law in every situation; it is only when the interpretation goes against the conservative viewpoint that the decision is then called “activist.”
Got it chief. It’s not correct in any cirumstance.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pmThe hillbilly never did give us his MOS.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pmWell, what was it?
shhhhh mudsharks, he’s still googling the internet(s) for his response.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pmGive him time.
He’ll cut and paste ver batim any minute now.
54thursday Says:
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MCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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This is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ummm ……………The “normal route” to decide any civil rights issue is the courts , not a (very slim) voting majority ; a civil rights determination should never be voted on by the populace …….
Really, so the courts passed the 15th, 19th and 24th amendments? Did not know that, um…….
May 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Civil rights laws already exist ; determining the constitutionality of something isn’t done by asking the populace , clueless wonder………
May 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pmIf we legalize gay marriage, we must legalize polygamy, marriage between man and beast and child and adult.
See regardless of whether you agree with gay marriage or not, what you are now arguing is consent. Children & animals cannot consent so you aren’t even arguing the same thing. Nice try bigot.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pmTo Bozo The NeoClown
You mean “President Cheney”..who recently Schooled Presdent Obama? That 5 deferement guy? Well, I did. I supported him,
Do I think he has “weasel” characteristic, yes..But what politician doesn’t..
So if you want to compare President Cheney to the dirty hippies and their kids whose hatred towards their country caused them to take it out on you and your brothers-in-arms, that is your call.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pmMCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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MCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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This is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ummm ……………The “normal route” to decide any civil rights issue is the courts , not a (very slim) voting majority ; a civil rights determination should never be voted on by the populace …….
Really, so the courts passed the 15th, 19th and 24th amendments? Did not know that, um…….
May 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Civil rights laws already exist ; determining the constitutionality of something isn’t done by asking the populace , clueless wonder………
So states don’t ratify? Um……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pmYou’re suggesting that we abolish the court system altogether then? Because that’s what it sounds like.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:11 pmamazingly enough, i am sure hillbillybumpkin holds the following as examples of “good, patriotic amercians”:
bill o’reilly
tom delay
donald rumsfeld
dick cheney
sean hannity
tub-o-lard limpballs
nitwit mitt romney
what do they all have in common? when the time came for them to step up to the plate and serve, they didn’t. in fact some of them pussied out with deferments. others like nitwit romney spent viet nam in FRANCE on “religious sabbatical” (also a deferment)
May 26th, 2009 at 4:11 pmhillybillybumpkin
“You mean “President Cheney”
did i miss something?what year was dickhead cheney elected president?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI didn’t have an MOS, I had an AFSC, Air Force Specialty Code..Yes, I was in the Air Force 22 years. 305×4
Okay, let the name-calling begin
May 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pmHe (Huckabee) is the next President. It is God’s will.
Comment by Daryll (AKA looktothehills) January 2, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20
May 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pmBut the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
hillbillyjihad Says:
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I am curious as to why you would align yourselves with those who spat on you, jeered you, called you vile names in your service and those who still today consider you no more that “barbarians”.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
If you are truly former military , why would you align yourself with a group that is headed by a moronic AWOL coward , a 5 deferment chickenshit , and pimple-on-his-fat-ass military avoiding pansy ?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pm1. RaptureReady (AKA looktothehills) Says: Also, I am only happy because my wife is with child. (2 ½ weeks) February 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
2. RaptureReady Says: #DRxJ Says: Daryll? Sweetie. Please answer the question.
How many children do you and your wife have?
March 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
She is almost a month into pregnancy. March 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Can’t predict, can’t count.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pmMCMetal,
May 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pmand i am sure hillbillyjerkjob also thinks that washed up never-been ted nugent (also a draft dodger) is just the cat’s meow
wags Says:
Got it chief. It’s not correct in any cirumstance.
You’re suggesting that we abolish the court system altogether then? Because that’s what it sounds like.
Can’t help how it sounds. Listen harder.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pmhillbilly, how many times were you spat upon because you were wearing a uniform?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm54thursday Says:
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So states don’t ratify? Um……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What is there to “ratify” ?
Proposition 8 is not US law ; the 15th Amerndment is ….
May 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pmExplain harder.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm*Amendment*
May 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pmMCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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So states don’t ratify? Um……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What is there to “ratify” ?
Proposition 8 is not US law ; the 15th Amerndment is ….
All amendments to the Constitution had to be ratified by the states….. not judges dipsh*t.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:19 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
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MCMetal,
and i am sure hillbillyjerkjob also thinks that washed up never-been ted nugent (also a draft dodger) is just the cat’s meow
May 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Are any of these GOP backing stooges capable of examining the make-up of their pathetic party in a proper context ?
WOW …………………..
May 26th, 2009 at 4:19 pmTed Nugent RULES!!!
“Kamikaze from the 100th floor, swan dive to the street”
Time to go back to work, lefties.
I have enjoyed hearing your tortured logic and the unusual derogatory names you come up with for those who don’t goosestep to your singularly frightening view of the world.
I think someone said it earlier “Hitler would be proud”
May 26th, 2009 at 4:20 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
“hillbilly, how many times were you spat upon because you were wearing a uniform?”
let me answer that one, ralph…never.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:20 pmit’s a republican urban legend designed to make their cowardice palatable.
I would like to say something about my cousin Brian.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pmHe enlisted in 67. Got blown up driving a deuce and a half over a land mine. He came away from fairly unscathed. Was there for Tet, and made it home in one peace.physically .
He’s been a Democrat his entire life. And still is.
My nephew, Jesse, has done 2 tours in Iraq. Got blown up by an IED. He got peppered with shrapnel. But he survived intact. That was his first tour. He went back and did another tour.
After that, he found himself on a mountain top in Afghanistan.
Drawing fire so the others could find the shooters.
He made it home in one piece. He was all about re-uping.
I asked him to think it over before he signed on the line.
They offered him 32k to reup with a 8k signing bonus.
I said don’t make any hasty decisions and give it sometime so he could think about it. He didn’t do it. He said no thanks. He’s still in one piece,but he’s got the scars to show what happened to him. We’re keeping a close eye on him now. He’s got us. We’ll help him when he needs it.
i am still waiting for hillybillyjerkjob to explain to me exactly what year did five deferment dick win a presidential election?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm54thursday Says:
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MCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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So states don’t ratify? Um……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What is there to “ratify” ?
Proposition 8 is not US law ; the 15th Amerndment is ….
All amendments to the Constitution had to be ratified by the states….. not judges dipsh*t.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Proposition 8 IS NOT an Amendment to the Constitution , you fu(king moron ; it is an attempt to restrict a minority groups individual and civil rights , you empty-headed skid mark……….
May 26th, 2009 at 4:23 pmOh, the guy sitting next to him in that humvee, wasn’t so lucky. no.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:23 pmMCM said nothing about ratification.
He said “determining the constitutionality of something isn’t done by asking the populace”.
Do you understand the difference between ratifying an amendment and determining the constitutionality of a law? It’s pretty basic civics stuff.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:24 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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Thanks for proving you are not a Veteran , you pathetic lying little pansy ……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:24 pmMCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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MCMetal Says:
54thursday Says:
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So states don’t ratify? Um……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What is there to “ratify” ?
Proposition 8 is not US law ; the 15th Amerndment is ….
All amendments to the Constitution had to be ratified by the states….. not judges dipsh*t.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Proposition 8 IS NOT an Amendment to the Constitution , you fu(king moron ; it is an attempt to restrict a minority groups individual and civil rights , you empty-headed skid mark……….
Come on you are smarter than that. Go back through the thread and try and understand the line of thought. You can do it… Come on…. If you do it I will pay for one of your friends here to go find you a nice little Thai boy for you to have your way with…
May 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhy do wingnuts always gravitate toward peadophilia when their thoughts go toward a reward of some kind?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm54thursday Says: “If you do it I will pay for one of your friends here to go find you a nice little Thai boy for you to have your way with…”
why is it cancervatives always go for the freaky shit, usually involving kids? sick fcuks. you’tr not talking with mark foley(R) skippy.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pmBozo – GMTA
jinx. You owe me a beer.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pmI didn’t have an MOS, I had an AFSC, Air Force Specialty Code..Yes, I was in the Air Force 22 years. 305×4
Okay, let the name-calling begin
OK, is this your story? Are you sure? Are you sure you want to stick with this one?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pmI have a friend who was in the AF. He had a top secret clearance.
I’ll e-mail him and ask him about you MOS.(AFSC)
check back later for the results.
personally, I think you’re lying. But I’ll check anyway.
you have a nice eternity.
Two things
I think serving 22 years and serving in 1983 in Honduras 1991 in Kuwait, 1996 in Bosnia, taking fire and returning fire allows me to consider my self a veteran..You may not think so McMetal, But again that is your call. Also
Everyone Knows when we voted for Bush, we knew we would get Cheney as the real President, Why do you think Bush/Cheney won both elections..CHENEY, CHENEY, CHENEY..and That is why McCain lost, he is the White Obama..
We LOVE President Cheney
May 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pmmudshark ~ Honest Johns still there?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pmMudshark
Really, well when you find out from your so-called “Air Force buddy” I would like you to ask him what year it changed to 2E2×1..we will see just how “in-tune” you are.
I can understand why you people don’t truat anyone, your so used to lying to yourselves, But Damn…
Your pyschosis is extraordinary
May 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm54thursday Says:
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May 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Why am I going to “go back through the thread” ?
I know what I wrote , assbag :
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This is a good day in American History. The judges bowed to the law instead of political pressure. Prop 8. or some form thereof will probably pass at sometime. That would be fine with me, it doesn’t really effect me one way or the other. But it should be passed using normal routes instead of Judicial Fiat.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ummm ……………The “normal route” to decide any civil rights issue is the courts , not a (very slim) voting majority ; a civil rights determination should never be voted on by the populace …….
May 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I’m correct , and you’re (typically) incorrect , you GOP nut hugging stooge
And BTW
I’m not interested in little boys , Thai or otherwise .
I’m not Larry Craig , who you probably have voted for …….Repeatedly
May 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pmhillbilly,again, how many times were you spat upon because you were in uniform?
Just curious.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pmIt is abomination that human beings marry two or more natural materials together to make fabric. It says so in my Bible. And WORSE, people weave in unnatural materials in with the natural to make “blends”. God has forbidden this and until this country passes a “Defense of Fabric Act” into law to make us compliant with the will of God, we are doomed. All you people worried about gay sex are focused on a minor sin. Gays do this to themselves and will have to answer to God for their actions. But think about the bigger sin, think about the innocent wool, cotton, and silk that God has provided us. Think about how we abuse it by marrying these fibers with each other and with nylon! These fibers have no choice! We must save ourselves from this abomination with a Amendment to the US Constitution.
/snark off
May 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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We LOVE President Cheney
May 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
You still HAVE NOT provided any credible info to prove your (non-existent) military service ; and , as I asked before , please explain your affinity for a 5 deferment chickenshit chickenhawk ……
May 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pmFACT:
Ted Nugent’s career has been on a kamikaze trajectory ever since leaving the Amboy Dukes.
Not only is he one of the crappiest “music” (a-hem) vestiges of the greatness of the 70’s, his guitar playing is by far worse than your average pizza delivery driver who wears a Megadeth shirt.
FACT.
And I can prove it.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pmhillbillyjihad
I’ll do that very thing hillbilly.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pmDNFP
BLASPHEMY!!!!!! Ted Nugent is a God..Not THE God..But a lesser god…
May 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pmI have a feelin hillbilly was one of those”phony soldiers”
May 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pmTed Nugent sucks the dick of every animal he kills before mounting them (figuratively and literally).
He prefers the big bucks too.
You should see his “trophy” room.
More like a bestiality museum really.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pmhillybillyjerkjob,
May 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pmi thought you’re break was done and you were going back to work? should we add “liar” to the already long list of adjectives we have to describe you?
*your
May 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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I can understand why you people don’t truat anyone, your so used to lying to yourselves, But Damn…
May 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
As opposed to the pillars of honesty and truth that claimed “WMD’s in Iraq” , “a connection between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11/al Qaeda” , “we do not torture” , “no one could have imagined the levees wouldn’t hold” , and other genuine “pearls” , you GOP leg humping stooge ?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pmIt’s weird how hillbilljihad assumes that he gets abuse because he’s a veteran, instead of because he’s an assh*le.
Let’s look at the evidence: there are several veterans who post regularly in these threads. They are no different from everyone else, and they’re treated with the respect that their behavior warrants.
There are also a few assh*les who post regularly on these threads. They are regularly abused.
What conclusions can we draw from this?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
mudshark ~ Honest Johns still there?
Nawww. You wouldn’t recognize this place anymore.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmlots and lots more people. too many people.
But Big Sur is still pretty much the same.
looktothehills Says:
I hate no one. The love of Christ is in me. Also, name one lie that was spoken by me.
How about “I hate no one” and “the love of Christ is in me.” Both of these are demonstrably false.
Your propaganda is clearly part of the pro-shellfish agenda, and therefore of the devil.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Who would have guessed that our friend Daryll would show up on a gay-themed thread.?
I wonder where he hangs out in real life…
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hillbillyjihad Says:
Well for those who served in Vietnam, My Hats off to you and you have my undying respect, I am curious as to why you would align yourselves with those who spat on you, jeered you, called you vile names in your service …
Oh get off it. Your people are the ones who consistently slash funding for vets, ignore their issues and leave them hanging when they need you. All of your flag-waving patrio-talk never did a damn thing to help anybody, and you know it. When it comes to honorably taking care of our vets, all the Republicans have is talk. Talk is cheap.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm“What conclusions can we draw from this?”
May 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pmthat hillbillyjerkjob gets off on abuse?
Ceptin fer the far thet burn’t up teh place lest yar.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pmThat’s my hillbilly impersonation.
does it work?
Congrates hillbillyjihad!
You’ve probably noticed it takes the smallest ” pinch” of the truth to make the “heathen rage.”
May 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pmhad enough Says:
This is unconstitutional.
A majority should never be allowed to take away, vote against rights of a minority.
Nah, they got this one right. When the people speak on behalf of the gay Agenda, everything is cool in San Francisco. When life doesn’t appear to seem fair, it’s true. It ain’t. I’ll be glad, along with many, to vote against Gay marriage. DECADENCE AIN’T COOL YET. Hoooaaaah!!
May 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pmbitblt Says:
Congrates hillbillyjihad!
You’ve probably noticed it takes the smallest ” pinch” of the truth
Smallest pinch of something…
May 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI never did get spat on when I returned, but my former high school buddies didn’t want me around much. I was pretty crazy and angry and wild, so I don’t blame them a bit.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI came back a very different person than that senior in high school in 67.
I am aligned with the left because I have seen what war does to people. It really doesn’t seem to solve except to fill graveyards. That and the whole deal about handing off the planet to our kids a better place than we were given it. Our boomer generation seems to have screwed that up right nice.
Congrats on being an airforce lifer, billy. My take on most lifers is that they’re not able to make it on the ‘outside’. Kinda like prison.
hillbillyjihad …If I had 50dollars for every IQ point of your intelligence, I’d have…$50 x 0 IQ = $0.00
Go and ask the teacher how the math works!!
America the free….MY RED WHITE AND BLUE ASS FREE!!! I DON’T GET IT….HOW CAN A NATION LIKE CANADA HAVE MORE FREEDOMS THEN A NATION LIKE THE US WHO EXPRESSES THEY HAVE ALL THE FREEDOM…BUT IN FACT….HAVE VERY LITTLE FREEDOM??
DON’T BELIEVE ME….READ YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 4:56 pmA pinched-off loaf, perhaps?
May 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pmRUCeriousMaggot!
It took a long time for my cousin to see it had affected him.
He’s a very angry person now.
Lifers.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pmyeah, that says it all.
Too scared to try make it in the real world. Shammers.
It took over 300 comments, but bitblt finally got the page and showed up to complement Daryll on yet another gay thread.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pmRUCeriousMaggot
Sorry to hear about your experience
two things, I was a lifer because I loved the Air Force, your experience is not todays experience. I now have a very good Job working for high profile financial Organization in Arizona. So your opinion of an “Air Force Lifer is taken at it’s value, I will not defend myself against A Vietnam Vet whose experience on returning molded your current positions.
Second, Vietnam was the first war made into a Left-Right issue, and ever war from this point on we will lose because of Ideology, Not because of our soldiers. It is my simple belief that wars are fought to free the oppressed or a much nobler cause. Since that Idea is lost and we have turned them into just a way to tar your political opponent, I now agree, they have just become ways to fill graveyards
May 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pmMUDSHARKS, WERE YOU IN THE 2ND/3RD ARTILLERY IN HANAU?
May 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pmSheepdog Says:
had enough Says:
This is unconstitutional.
A majority should never be allowed to take away, vote against rights of a minority.
Nah, they got this one right. When the people speak on behalf of the gay Agenda, everything is cool in San Francisco. When life doesn’t appear to seem fair, it’s true. It ain’t. I’ll be glad, along with many, to vote against Gay marriage. DECADENCE AIN’T COOL YET. Hoooaaaah!!
I hope when someone decides to take away your rights through the initiative process, you’ll stick to your words. Hoooaaaah!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pmYO, billy, didn’t mean to denigrate your service either.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pmJust the Army lifers I saw were a pretty beaten down lot. Except for the backstabbing officers who’s just as soon eat each other for lunch as work with anyone else. My best friend right now is a retired LTC who was in Nam the same time I was. The reason he didn’t make bird colonel was that he was just too nice a guy. And his Dad and Grandad were career officers…
What did you do in your specialty? BTW, the AF mess hall in Danang was the only place that served edible chow..!
RUCeriousMaggot
May 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pmNo. I missed all that when I enlisted. 75/78
MudSharks, seems like a good time to be in the service!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pmHillbillyJihad says:
And as for posting on a liberal blog, I always read them, unlike you I like alternative points of views. Just when they are dangerous and hateful, I actuallly have to defend the defenseless
Sheepdog says: You gotta know your opposition/enemy and keep them close. Always listen to NPR, the Peoples National Radio if you really want to listen to the smoothest leftist propaganda.
As for the Latino Community: most of us are very conservative but I have seen some of the most flamboyant gays in our community and they are hilarious. Our Macho culture is a direct result of the Spanish/Arabic experience imported to the New World. Chicano Homeboys and Arabs have a hell of alot in common, especially when it comes to forcing our tacos and burritos on the public. Really an insidious takeover that nobody can deny but nobody wants to talk about. Perhaps one day when the Muslims and Mexicans take over, that little rainbow flag won’t have a chance in hell!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pmThe love of Christ is in me
— Christ was a dude right?
May 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pmCan anyone explain — maybe bit can weigh in on this one — all the folks who are so fired up to preserve the “sanctity of marriage”… why aren’t they protesting crap like this?
Seems to me like turning the decision to marry into a reality show competition degrades the “sanctity of marriage” to a far greater degree than does two people of the same gender who are in love committing themselves to a lifelong loving relationship.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pmRUCeriousMaggot!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pmNot really. They had nothing to do but make the enlisted men’s life miserable.
We had some real arse holes.
But I did my three years.
My family has been serving for a long long time.
We go back to the 1st WW.
one day when the Muslims and Mexicans take over
May 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm—
This made me giggle…
mudsharks, my Dad was Navy WWII, older brother Navy, Yankee Station off Nam Coast, oldest brother (smart one) Army Ft Eustis Va, training generator maintenance…
May 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pmBut rumor has it one of my great great ancestors fought with Lafayette in the Revolutionary War. (A Frenchy, yah.)
Sheepdog, can you point to any specific evidence that NPR has any kind of leftist bias?
In my experience, during the election campaign, NPR was scrupulously even-handed, and there’s really not much of a political bias evident in either their story selection and presentation, programming decisions or personnel.
I’d really like to see the evidence by which you make this judgment.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pmOH, and not one of us is a GOPer. Never have been.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pmMy former sis in law is a GOPer. But the kids aren’t. She has some problems that the kids just can’t get past. eh. family.
We have family buried in France from both WW’s
May 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAnd in the jungles of Burma. Although, I don’t think they got buried.
RUCeriousMaggot!
So you see what Ideology does, instant suspicion and a “mob” mentality that makes you automatically find your debatring foe worthy of disdaain and ridcule, when we are not so different,
I enlisted in 1982, became a FAC from 1982 to 1986, then cross-trained into a more technical feild, Served in 11 countries and Enjoyed every moment, Military guys no matter what color, creed, religion or Ideology always Listen, look out for you and have the highest degree of comraderie, Being a civilian has been a disappointment for these last 5 years, But I will get used to it.
Again, My highest respects go to you those who served in Vietnam, The battles were fierce, and more so the ones you faced when you came back “home” my Uncles have told me the stories and it angers me to no end, how Americans could treat other americans with such contempt simply for doing a job they were told to do…UNBELIEVEABLE.
good luck to you and thank to you all for the very interesting debate
May 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pmEugeneDebs Says:
HillbillyMoron just go shoot yourself. You arent ever going to be anything but a moron and a punkass troll. The world doesnt need morons like you inbreeding your stupid into our gene pool. Just go shoot yourself before your sister/wife allows you to pollute our genepool
Sheepdog says: Eugene debutante my angry woman. I’m hurt, when you hurled the same insults at me last week I thought I was getting your love and attention and now I see it’s just your typical response. Honey, could you do this for me just once though, break out your POM POMS and do your your little chorus with them. “You are stupid, you are sad, I’m gonna punch your scrotum sac. You are Bad, you are bad, So So Bad”
Well, do that and take some more of you depression pills!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pmhillbilly.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pmYou do realize that you were the first one to disrespect people here,right?
Again, you don’t know squat about us. Why is that?
Is it because you have a preconceived idea of who you’re talking too?
yeah, bigotry.
So, hillbilly… can we safely assume that your silence on the matter means that you have never been spat on because you were wearing the uniform?
May 26th, 2009 at 5:25 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
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Again, My highest respects go to you those who served in Vietnam, The battles were fierce, and more so the ones you faced when you came back “home” my Uncles have told me the stories and it angers me to no end, how Americans could treat other americans with such contempt simply for doing a job they were told to do…UNBELIEVEABLE.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Ummm , people who have a hard time accepting torture and removal/restrictions of our rights , probably are not going to condone the wanton slaughter of unarmed women and children ………Tha’s just a “guess”
May 26th, 2009 at 5:26 pmHey ralph the spitting gambit is mine. Funny how hard it is to document….
May 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI have debatring foe (s)?
Wow, I’m privileged!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pmYa know hillywilliam, there was another war going on between the enlisted ranks and the senior ncos and officers in nam.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pmWe were trying to not get killed on useless senseless missions, the higher ups, not so much, as long as they weren’t in the field with us. Remember fragging? So the comeraderie you experienced is totally foreign to me, except for the enlisted ranks I shared the mud with.
Yeah, but you weren’t here at the time, dbadass. I thought I’d fill in. Now that you’re here I’ll let you take over. Good luck getting an answer.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pmOne other chunk ‘o advice hilly. Go join the VFW, volunteer for funeral honor guard.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pmDressing up and shooting blanks over dead soldiers just might do something for you.
Each and everyone should be alarmed a state supreme court would go along with a majority voting against a minority regarding civil rights.
Anyone at any time can become a member of a minority group… be it through unexpected disability.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pmI hope that the homophobes are happy. Because it will be delicious to see their facial expressions when this gets overturned.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:35 pmralph the wonder locust Says: Sheepdog, can you point to any specific evidence that NPR has any kind of leftist bias?
Ralph, are you serious? Are we in a court of law here? Glowing, seemingly intelligent reporting, especially on liberal issues pervades. Wake up dude! Similarly, when a woman likes you, SHE DOESN’T TELL YOU! YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ON IT!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:35 pmSince prospective employers never ask
USAF
Aerospace Control and Warning Systems Operator
Keesler AFB—Biloxi tech school
2nd Communications Squadron (SAC/NORAD)—Buckley Field, Colorado
606 TCS—Karl Shurz Kazerne, Germany
May 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pmI think we can take that as a no….
May 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pmI’m not at all surprised by the this decision ; the California State Supreme Court has only 1 or 2 sitting justices placed there by a Dem ………The rest are all garbage GOP appointees.
The Republicans = always on the wrong side of everything.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pmSo in other words, no, you don’t have any evidence. You just have to “feel it”, is that it?
Thanks. I thought so.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm1) While St. Paul intones against male homosexuality, and Leviticus forbids it, there is NOT ONE WORD about Lesbianism. Not one.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm2) All this stuff about the Bible that Protestant Christians go on about is nothing more than an excuse to turn the writings of St. Paul into the Word of God–often at the expense of the word of Jesus Christ himself. They like the misogyny, the homophobia, and the support for slavery and the existing social order. Martin Luther himself decided–and it’s Lutheran dogma–that the Book of Revelation contains no doctrine.
3) Fundie Christians moan about the Law, but the Law is for other people. thanks to a whole bunch of convenient theological acrobatics, they don’t have to do the works that Christ commanded them to do–divorce is not forbidden them, nor is drink, nor is working on the Sabbath, and who ever got thrown out of one oof their churches for covetousness, or bearing false witness. I didn’t even see Bristol Palin thrown out of her Church.
As long as you’re part of the tribe, just about anything is permissible. They’re forgiven. And they are as slimy unethical, smug, greedy, and callous a group as walk the earth as a direct result of that twisted theology.
4)Everybody should go read the Sermon on the Mount. Christian or not, atheist or not. It’s a remarkable document. Everybody ignores it: Catholics maunder about the passion, Protestants about the Epistle to the Romans, fundies about Revelation, and most other people avoid it because it ’s part of the Invisible Sky Friend Fairy Tale. And they’re all missing something.
5) People who squawk about the authority Bible and wail about polygamy in the same breath (or co board) have no self-awareness whatsoever.
RUCeriousMaggot!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pmAnother one of my cousins served at Check Point Charlie in Germany in the early 60’s. That couldn’t have been any fun either.
His sister(my cousin) worked for the ailines. She flew with the USO when they went in. Around the whole planet. She still does it. She’s up in her years now. But she still does that.
She has to be 65 now. But she’s pretty adamant about doing that one.
Her sister didn’t serve. Not an issue with us. She finally came out of the closet. We all love her dearly. It doesn’t matter to us. Which brings me full circle with this argument.
When they discover that one of their own is gay. It changes their perspective. If it doesn’t. They’re fooked up people.
WILEY~ Karl Shurz in Germany is what direction, distance from Frankfurt??
May 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pmIt is good to see that you equate “intelligent reporting” with the Left, Sheepdog.
At least you recognize that facts have a liberal bias.
May 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
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WILEY~ Karl Shurz in Germany is what direction, distance from Frankfurt??
May 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Isn’t the university itself , in Frankfurt ?
I seem to recall that is it ……..It’s been awhile since I’ve been there , though
May 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pmRALPHTHEWONDERLOCUST SAYS: You just have to “feel it”, is that it?
SHEEPDOG SAY: Yup, it works for you so why is it more right for you or the gay agenda? If the FACT that you weren’t conceived in your mother or fathers COLON doesn’t bother you, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander!!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pmSheepdog Says:
RALPHTHEWONDERLOCUST SAYS: You just have to “feel it”, is that it?
SHEEPDOG SAY: Yup, it works for you so why is it more right for you or the gay agenda? If the FACT that you weren’t conceived in your mother or fathers COLON doesn’t bother you, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander!!!!!
So we can assume that if you were ever to find a woman silly enough to have sex with you, it would only ever be with the intention of procreating? How nice for you.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pmI don’t know the distance, right off hand, but it’s north of Frankfurt. Closest major city in Germany is Hamburg. It’s a short distance to Amsterdam—I went there often.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
What does this have to do with your claim, absent any evidence, that NPR is biased to the left?
May 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
So we can assume that if you were ever to find a woman silly enough to have sex with you, it would only ever be with the intention of procreating? How nice for you.
Sheepdog says: HAHAHAHAHA! You got it buddy! It is nice for me. All those nerve endings in the clit and your head are for you to enjoy making those kids, not abuse. Shootin your load into your hands all the time in front of your computer screen disrespects the life force a sperm and egg are. Here’s the gay agenda in a nutshell. Dismiss, groom and normalize and if they can’t reach you, go for your kids in their classrooms and textbooks. That’s not just an agenda, that’s warfare!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 6:20 pmI see Sheepdog is another one of our familiar fear-filled conservative friends, only he’s afraid of Teh Gay.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:21 pmSheepdog Says:
Sheepdog says: HAHAHAHAHA! You got it buddy! It is nice for me. All those nerve endings in the clit and your head are for you to enjoy making those kids, not abuse. Shootin your load into your hands all the time in front of your computer screen disrespects the life force a sperm and egg are. Here’s the gay agenda in a nutshell. Dismiss, groom and normalize and if they can’t reach you, go for your kids in their classrooms and textbooks. That’s not just an agenda, that’s warfare!!!!
It’s not clear to me why you’ve dragged masturbation into the question, but it is clear to me that your understanding of human sexuality is non-existent.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pmThat’s not just an agenda, that’s warfare!!!!
Oh my, another overheated conservative. Since Obama’s election, they seem to be malfuntioning more and more. Too bad the warranty expired last year.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmOK Ralph, let’s break this down Barney style for you. If you or the gay agenda wants to make their case based on FEELINGS, then it’s ok for me to say something based on FEELINGS also. RALPH, FOLLOW ME CLOSE NOW, there is no LIBERAL bias on NPR just like there is no CONSERVATIVE bias on Sean Hannity’s show. To say otherwise is hateful. Do you get it now? There there now. Go back to your center of denial.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pmSheepdog Says:
OK Ralph, let’s break this down Barney style for you.
Barney… Rubble? So, your argument is cartoonish?
But we already knew that.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:31 pmgumblebeeitch says: It’s not clear to me why you’ve dragged masturbation into the question.
Sheepdog says: ah yes. We start to talk about genitals and everybody starts getting indignant. You see, everything is cool and NORMAL when just men and women are being sexual. It’s just natural. BUT THE HOMO AGENDA SAYS LOUD AND PROUD, I’M DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH MY GENITALS AND I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT ME!!!!
IF YOU DON’T LIKE MY POSTINGS, YOU’RE NOT BEING OPEN MINDED!!!! BRING IT ON, PROP 8 WON TODAY!! NOW BE GOOD SWORDSMAN AND CHILL!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pmSheepdog Says:
gumblebeeitch says: It’s not clear to me why you’ve dragged masturbation into the question.
Sheepdog says: ah yes. We start to talk about genitals and everybody starts getting indignant. You see, everything is cool and NORMAL when just men and women are being sexual. It’s just natural. BUT THE HOMO AGENDA SAYS LOUD AND PROUD, I’M DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH MY GENITALS AND I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT ME!!!!
Indignant? Clearly, your comprehension of the English language is on a par with your understanding of human sexuality. But I am pleased that you think “everything is cool and normal” between men and women. “Everything” covers a lot of ground, and “natural” also includes a huge spectrum of activity — none of which is necessarily tied to procreation, which you appear to be confused about.
You should also know that there is not now, nor ever has been a “homo agenda.” There is most definitely a homophobe agenda, however, fostered by all those fundamentalists who aren’t getting any action of any kind, and who are bitter about it.
Being “open minded” doesn’t mean having a huge hole in your head — something you clearly need to work on.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:40 pmExcept, Sheepdog, I can point to dozens upon dozens of clear rightward bias on hannity (or O’Reilly, or Limbaugh or Beck, or Savage or Laura Ingraham, or any number of right-wing shows) with essentially no balancing tilts to the left. There is evidence to support the conclusion.
You cannot do the same for NPR. For every “seemingly intelligent reporting” piece that you say slants left, I can show you a similar piece that has a corresponding slant to the right.
Of course, we won’t agree on what is the center. I suspect you would be unable to even recognize something as slanting to the right. But if we were to accept some ground rules of objectivity from which to work, we could eventually at least recognize each other’s positions. Right now, your position looks as alien to me as mine probably does to you.
In short, Sheepdog, you cannot expect to make a statement of opinion masquerading as fact and then expect anyone to buy it unless they already agree with your opinion. Or at least, be prepared to back it up with something. One need not be in a “Court of Law” to produce evidence of an assertion.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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1) While St. Paul intones against male homosexuality, and Leviticus forbids it, there is NOT ONE WORD about Lesbianism. Not one.
Those references are against Pederasty and Prostitution. The “bible” never once refers to “Homosexuality” as we know it being a great evil. The old testament references refer to it simply as “Un-Kosher/Unclean”
SHEEPDOG SAYS: If you opened a copy of the vehicle code and it mentioned that driving with broken tail lights was a violation, would you argue about that too? The bible was not written just so legalists like yourself could see how far you can push the limit. There was a HUGE OVERWHELMING SPIRIT of intent presented in it and certaintly not written with even a hint of pro gay lifestyle verbage o literate one!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pmSheepdog, you may have missed the origin of this argument — and that is grounded in the fundamentalists’ penchant for literal interpretation of the Bible. They tend to base all of their condemnations of things that fear them on the literal wordsing of the particular translation that their sect fancies.
They tend to only focus on the things that support their prejudices, however, and ignore things that should be just as critical but because of the differences in culture today from 4000 years ago, now look silly.
So basically, you are taking an argument against simple-minded literalism and dismissing it because it ignores the “HUGE OVERWHELMING SPIRIT of intent“.
You look kinda silly.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:52 pmBUT THE HOMO AGENDA SAYS LOUD AND PROUD, I’M DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH MY GENITALS AND I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT ME!!!!
IF YOU DON’T LIKE MY POSTINGS, YOU’RE NOT BEING OPEN MINDED!!!! BRING IT ON, PROP 8 WON TODAY!! NOW BE GOOD SWORDSMAN AND CHILL!!!!
Um, does that mean no more anal sex with my girlfriend?
Just asking.
May 26th, 2009 at 6:53 pmAnyway, since this decision blatantly discriminates against gays who didn’t beat the deadline, will this be going to the DC Supremes?
May 26th, 2009 at 6:59 pmRalph, Republicans hate facts,gumblebee etc., don’t worry! The Sheepdog isn’t worried about changing your mind. You’re all adults. But I think the conservative voice is going to start using some of the liberal playbook techniques and throwing them back in your face.
I am so humbled to be in the presence of you who advance the human condition here daily. HAHAHAHA! NAH! The sheepdog is just talking to sheep. Nothing personal.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pmSheepdog Says:
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SHEEPDOG SAYS: If you opened a copy of the vehicle code and it mentioned that driving with broken tail lights was a violation, would you argue about that too? The bible was not written just so legalists like yourself could see how far you can push the limit. There was a HUGE OVERWHELMING SPIRIT of intent presented in it and certaintly not written with even a hint of pro gay lifestyle verbage o literate one!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Based upon what ?
Your belief in 1 of its imperfect translations ?
Judging by your example , how come you anal-retentive , cancervatives tools decry liberal judges as “activist” based upon their perception/interpretation(s) of liberal-written documents like the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution ?
That makes absolutely no sense ………
May 26th, 2009 at 7:15 pmI am so humbled to be in the presence of you who advance the human condition here daily.
A wise man knows his limitations.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pmbarfly Says:
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I am so humbled to be in the presence of you who advance the human condition here daily.
A wise man knows his limitations.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
And apparently , Shitdog’s limitations seem absolutely limitless …..
May 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pmIt’s weird that you’d spend your time here, then. But it certainly explains the intellectual lameness of your comments.
Really? The conservative voice is going to start basing its arguments on facts and logic instead of faith and delusion?
Wow. THat WILL be something to see. Maybe we could even have a real debate about the future direction of the nation then.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmSheepdog Says:
The bible was not written just so legalists like yourself could see how far you can push the limit. There was a HUGE OVERWHELMING SPIRIT of intent presented in it and certaintly not written with even a hint of pro gay lifestyle verbage o literate one!!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
It’s a book, you imbecile. You seem to think that calling it a “bible” means something.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Really? The conservative voice is going to start basing its arguments on facts and logic instead of faith and delusion?
Wow. THat WILL be something to see. Maybe we could even have a real debate about the future direction of the nation then.
Don’t hold your breath, Ralph.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pmHowever, the court declared that the 18,000 same-sex marriages conducted last summer, prior to the passage of the proposition, would remain legal and recognized.
Isn’t this a tacit admission by the court that they realize the case is headed for the DC Supremes? The decision appears poorly written from a constitutional standpoint, and open to redefinition by a higher court, namely the Supremes.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pmI guess I should have said “The decision appears poorly written from a constitutional law standpoint, …”
May 26th, 2009 at 7:31 pmHere is Shitdog’s inane argument , in a nutshell :
He = knows the perfect translation of the Bible , even though the original is written in a dead language (ancient Hebrew) , along with every nuance and inference that is intended , because he’s (a) believer/religious ………….
Liberals = Don’t know anything about the Constitution or the subsequent additional Amendments or the Bill of Rights , even though the original documents and over-whelming majority of additions were written or the original ideas of other Liberals/Progressives/Dems ……
WOW………..What a delusional dick.
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spencers mom Says:
Which of God’s children would he single out for hate?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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None, but he disapproves of sin in all of us. ;)
May 26th, 2009 at 7:43 pmMCMetal Says: barfly Says:
I am so humbled to be in the presence of you who advance the human condition here daily. A wise man knows his limitations.
And apparently , Shitdog’s limitations seem absolutely limitless …..
SHEEPDOG SAYS: Wouldn’t you really feel better saying dumbass Mexican? It’s OK, the sheepdog has heard all his Mexican life how I’m suppose to think and feel from people like you. And you want to get all bothered here in your little world of “THINK PROGRESS”? You’re kidding yourselves “WHITE” people. There’s a conservative movement growing from the BROWN people of the earth and you’re not part of the plan. Get ready for “MUSLIM” and MEXICAN Change cause you’ve lost control. HeeHeeHee! Have another Taco or Burritto my friends!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pmhillbillyjihad Says:
how Americans could treat other americans with such contempt simply for doing a job they were told to do…UNBELIEVEABLE.
“…how Americans could treat former german guards with such contempt simply for doing a job they were told to do… UNBELIEVABLE”
Yeha yeah, I Godwin’ed the discussion.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:47 pmupright left Says:
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Which of God’s children would he single out for hate?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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None, but he disapproves of sin in all of us. ;)
May 26th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Yeah………Like torture …….
May 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pmSheepdog Says:
There’s a conservative movement growing from the BROWN people of the earth and you’re not part of the plan. Get ready for “MUSLIM” and MEXICAN Change cause you’ve lost control. HeeHeeHee! Have another Taco or Burritto my friends!!!
Pfft. You’re a fake Mexican who can’t even spell burrito.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:49 pmI actually heard a guy claiming that he was an African American on the radio this afternoon – arguing FOR “separate but equal”…Unbelievable.
Howsabout we set up those old “WHITE” and “COLORED” drinking fountains again? They’re “separate but equal” too!
Jebus.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:49 pmMCMETAL, enjoy your next taco from me and my brown brothers. I promise I won’t be a $hitdog and mess up yours. HEE HEE HEE! And to think it wasn’t long ago progressives put my dad in “SHOP” classes when he knew Calculus. Stand and Deliver Essay! CHANGE IS REALLY COMING!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pmSheepdog Says:
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MCMetal Says: barfly Says:
I am so humbled to be in the presence of you who advance the human condition here daily. A wise man knows his limitations.
And apparently , Shitdog’s limitations seem absolutely limitless …..
SHEEPDOG SAYS: Wouldn’t you really feel better saying dumbass Mexican? It’s OK, the sheepdog has heard all his Mexican life how I’m suppose to think and feel from people like you. And you want to get all bothered here in your little world of “THINK PROGRESS”? You’re kidding yourselves “WHITE” people. There’s a conservative movement growing from the BROWN people of the earth and you’re not part of the plan. Get ready for “MUSLIM” and MEXICAN Change cause you’ve lost control. HeeHeeHee! Have another Taco or Burritto my friends!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Why is your ethnicity/skin color a concern for you , when I didn’t base any of my responses to your moronic posts based upon race , gender , creed , sexual or religious orientation , jackass ?
Your Mexican heritage doesn’t make you a shithead ; you yourself are singularly responsible for that …..
BTW
Your mimicing of that other pillar of mental stability , BitOfAGOPDipshit , speaking of yourself in the 3rd person , is pretty hilarious and quite stupid ………
May 26th, 2009 at 7:53 pmSheepdog Says:
Perhaps one day when the Muslims and Mexicans take over, that little rainbow flag won’t have a chance in hell!!!!
BTW, just so you know, there a lot of Mexican gays, so… that flag looks pretty safe.
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MCMetal Says:
Yeah………Like torture …….
May 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
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May 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pmSheepdog Says:
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MCMETAL, enjoy your next taco from me and my brown brothers. I promise I won’t be a $hitdog and mess up yours. HEE HEE HEE! And to think it wasn’t long ago progressives put my dad in “SHOP” classes when he knew Calculus. Stand and Deliver Essay! CHANGE IS REALLY COMING!!!
May 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I don’t eat tacos , moron …….I prefer Chimichangas.
BTW
An ESSAY is a short piece of writing ………….
May 26th, 2009 at 8:01 pmCan’t legislate the bible. If we did, odds are very good it wouldn’t be your version that got legislated.
May 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Which *VERSION*, which *TRANSLATION*, which *INTERPRETATION*?
The GREEK/HEBREW versions don’t mention *HOMOSEXUALITY* or HELL once.
Well, Leviticus is pretty clear on it, in all the translations: “It is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord for a man to lay with a man as he does with a woman.” But that’s all there is. Mind you, Leviticus also calls it an “abomination in the eyes of the Lord” to eat shellfish. So if you’ve ever taken the fam to Red Lobster, you’ve probably committed an equivalent sin, one which the current crop of bible-thumpers seem to be completely unaware of.
Which is odd, since they claim to study the bible a lot.
Also note that it is explicitly stated that all monotheists must murder bi/homosexuals on sight. The fact that they fail to do so means they’re sinning to the same degree as teh gays are. No two ways about it, bible-thumpers: open war or nothing. Ditto any child who disrespects his parents – the law isn’t “don’t disrespect your parents,” it’s “put to death anybody who does.” Therefore, all bratty kids must be murdered immediately.
As an interesting side note, that Leviticus citation completely says nothing whatsoever about lesbians. Neither is lesbianism mentioned anywhere else. They get a free pass, biblically speaking. You’d think that the bible-thumpers would take this into account, if they want to be consistent: it’s OK with God for girls to lick clam.
If you officially make this a “Christian nation,” chances are you won’t get the specific flavor of Christianity you were hoping for, which means that everybody who has divorced and remarried will find themselves in the exact same legal status as teh gays. It’s worth noting in this regard that all of those pundits who do the “Christian nation” thing point at the Pilgrims, who escaped to America from… a Christian nation. It’s not that they were trying to get away from heathenism, it’s just that their brand of Christianity was unpopular there, which is why they were so for the separation of Church and State. When you get Church in your State, you also get State in your Church. Just ask any Iranian.
My general point regarding legislating versions of the bible is – look, most of the anti-gay people are Protestants. Most of them (at least most of their politicians) are in second, third marriages, etc. Marriage has historically been “defined” as a permanent bond between one man and one woman. Mind you, the word “permanent” is easily forgotten by Protestants since Henry VIII redefined marriage to suit his own lifestyle choice. The fact is, Catholics are still the most populous Christian group in America. Which means that if we vote to make it a “Christian Nation,” then all of those people expecting the state to condone their lifestyle choice of extramarital adultury (aka. getting divorced and remarried) will lose their legal rights.
I’m looking at you, Newt… McCain… Giuliani… Hell, just about all of ‘em.
If you’re a “bible fearing” Protestant who wants America to legislate “Christian values” then you just might want to think twice about where that leads.
May 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pmHillbilly,
C’mon, admit it, you find two women having sex arousing.
It’s ok. That would make you normal.
and lookintothehills.
I’m gonna take a wild guess here and say that you hate the jews too.
Tell me something hills, When did you stop beating your wife?
May 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pmOh, one more thing.
May 26th, 2009 at 10:21 pmIt’s time to tax the churches in this country.
Since they’ve involved themselves with public matters.As in getting policy passed. It’s time to tax the shite out of them.
Pay up beeotchs.
Now, this is one issue that I’m going to really push for.
I suggest(if I may) that we all start pushing for this.
Then and only then will they stop inflicting their will on society as a whole.
But I like the idea of telling them that they can’t get divorced.
May 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pmThat’s a good one.
ElBruce, I’m pleased to be the first to recommend your post at #391
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spencers mom Says:
Which of God’s children would he single out for hate?
May 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm______
None, but he disapproves of sin in all of us. ;)
Yet you CONS seem to only want to CRIMINALIZE the SINS *YOU* PREFER while *ALWAYS* attacking the other side EXCLUSIVELY. Never mind the SIN of JUDGMENT. The SIN of BIGOTRY. The SIN of INTOLERANCE. The SIN of LYING. The SIN of PROSELYTIZING. The SIN of IGNORANCE. You’re probably *DIVORCED* and most LIKELY because of that SIN of the CLOSET you live in.
But it’s EVERYONE ELSE’S SIN that you’re SO FIXATED ON you come to SPREAD your IGNORANCE and HATE just to SHOW HOW MUCH you don’t LIKE THE SIN of OTHERS. You TEABAGISTAN CLOSET CASES are ALL ALIKE. ;)
That’s because you *ALL* SHARE the SIN of PROJECTION and HYPOCRISY. ;)
May 26th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
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RHF (MizzJ, rhf has always been a nutcase. He’s just always been on our side, so he was tolerable. Now he’s a Clinton ass sucker, and he can’t contain himself against the “hopium” smokers. What an idiot.) How have you been, bud? Thou shalt not proselytize? I have to admit, I missed that one. ;)
You’ll understand if I don’t consider you a good source of information on the Bible, or anything else for that matter, you being a “nutcase” and all. ;)
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ElBruce Says:
Well, Leviticus is pretty clear on it, in all the translations: “It is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord for a man to lay with a man as he does with a woman.” But that’s all there is. Mind you, Leviticus also calls it an “abomination in the eyes of the Lord” to eat shellfish. So if you’ve ever taken the fam to Red Lobster, you’ve probably committed an equivalent sin, one which the current crop of bible-thumpers seem to be completely unaware of.
That has been addressed repeatedly. There’s obviously no need to go into it again.
If you’re a “bible fearing” Protestant who wants America to legislate “Christian values” then you just might want to think twice about where that leads.
Wanting marriage to remain the union between a man and a woman isn’t the same as wanting to legislate Christian values. Like President Obama has said, a society can choose to recognize the common family structure while still allowing unions for same sex couples which give them the same rights.
May 26th, 2009 at 11:27 pmStraw man. No one said it was “the same thing”. However, it is clear that the latter invariably includes the former.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Straw man. No one said it was “the same thing”. .
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Yeah, you’re right, I was totally off base to believe that el bruce’s comment equated opposition to gay marriage with wanting “to legislate Christian values.” ;)
May 27th, 2009 at 1:24 amupright left Says:
Wanting marriage to remain the union between a man and a woman isn’t the same as wanting to legislate Christian values.
Where, outside of “Christian values” is marriage defined? Jewish values? Muslim values?
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upright left Says:
Like President Obama has said, a society can choose to recognize the common family structure while still allowing unions for same sex couples which give them the same rights.
Get out of my water fountain, second-class citizen. If the rights are exactly the same, then there’s no reason the name shouldn’t be the same. Every where in history where the names have been different, the actual rights have been different too. There is a huge amount of parallel case law on my side on exactly this point.
I would be willing to get rid of all legal “marriage” and replace them all with “civil unions” whether gay or straight. So long as everybody gets the same thing (no special terms for you), I’m happy.
Bizarrely, no wingnuts have considered that option – get rid of all legal “marriage” and replace all legal two-person-bonds with “civil unions.” Consider the benefits to the religious right: presently, in order to determine who can perform marriages, states have to keep rolls of legal churches and reverends, many of which include Wiccans and Satanists. Thus technically, the state endorses Witchcraft and Satanism. Under a civil union system, that “endorsement” would cease to exist. It’s pretty much the same situation as with the state endorsing gay marriages. And yet, the bible-thumpers seem to have no problem with legal Satanist reverends, while they totally draw the line at two dudes getting hitched. If I was a bible thumper, I’d draw the line at least the other way around.
A “civil unions for all” system would completely fix all of these problems.
But I’m not propogating it here. I’m just pointing out how interesting it is that the religious right completely ignores this option. Teh “Christians” don’t really give a crap about the fact that the government already blesses Satanist ministers; they just want to make sure it doesn’t bless dudes porking other dudes in the butt.
May 27th, 2009 at 2:07 amElBruce Says:
Where, outside of “Christian values” is marriage defined? Jewish values? Muslim values?
Defining marriage, the common family unit of society, as a man and a woman doesn’t make married atheists into Christians.
Every where in history where the names have been different, the actual rights have been different too
Ignoring everything else that’s wrong with that argument, you’re suggesting that, “It’s never been done before,” is valid?
Bizarrely, no conservatives have considered that option – get rid of all legal “marriage” and replace all legal two-person-bonds with “civil unions.”
Seriously, you consider that bizarre?
Consider the benefits to the religious right: presently, in order to determine who can perform marriages, states have to keep rolls of legal churches and reverends, many of which include Wiccans and Satanists. Thus technically, the state endorses Witchcraft and Satanism. Under a civil union system, that “endorsement” would cease to exist. It’s pretty much the same situation as with the state endorsing gay marriages. And yet, the bible-thumpers seem to have no problem with legal Satanist reverends, while they totally draw the line at two dudes getting hitched. If I was a bible thumper, I’d draw the line at least the other way around.
If you were a Christian, you’d have a problem with the state equating your religion with others? No surprise
there.
A “civil unions for all” system would completely fix all of these problems.
But I’m not propogating it here. I’m just pointing out how interesting it is that the religious right completely ignores this option. Teh “Christians” don’t really give a crap about the fact that the government already blesses Satanist ministers; they just want to make sure it doesn’t bless dudes porking other dudes in the butt.
Of course you are “propogating” it here. I’m really sorry that you are upset by Christian acceptance of freedom of religion. Most Christians are uninterested in what people are doing in the privacy of their bedrooms. It’s the attempt to draw attention to those actions by unnecessarily changing a basic societal institution to which some object. If civil unions don’t afford all the legal rights of marriage, you have an argument. Otherwise, you are just trying to force your views on others. ;)
May 27th, 2009 at 9:49 amupright left, it’s obvious that PROP 8 was supported, voted on, and final ruled in favor of the people. If you oppose Prop 8, you’ll get your chance to vote again in 2010 on this. And it will probably get voted on to favor the hetero masses. It’s interesting to see all the holes getting punched, no pun intended, of each sides position. Let’s not forget how Gavin Newsome energized the Prop 8 movement with “wether you like it or not, gay marriage is coming”. Thankyou Gavin, can you run your yap one more time for another golden blurb we can use for our campaign? Nobody said life was fair!! And for all this talk about religion, every single one you does have a religion wether it’s arrogance, intellectualism, bookwormism, hedonism, narcicism, etc. Why in the hell would I want to follow you and all your bull$hit when I can simply turn to the bible, and find the best standard to live by? YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO!!!!!!
May 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm