‘Censored’ Abu Ghraib photographs show rape of detainees.
‘Censored’ Abu Ghraib photographs show rape of detainees.
Earlier this month, President Obama announced that he would ban the release of photographs showing torture. While Obama said at the time that the pictures were “not particularly sensational,” the London Telegraph reports that “at least one picture” from Abu Ghraib “shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee”:
Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency. [...]
Among the graphic statements…is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.” [...]
Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.
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So, how will the crazy right wingers defend this if true?
May 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amWhile Obama said at the time that the pictures were “not particularly sensational.”
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Ah, I get it. He meant the pictures were “not particularly sensational” by Japanese fetish porn standards.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:26 ammaybe he meant “not particularly sensational” as “to be expected when sexually repressed Republicans are in charge”
May 28th, 2009 at 11:27 amMy country tis of thee
Sweet land of liberty
Until Cheney
We need to try these bastards Cheney and Bush and the whole chain of command and let their twitching toes brush the concrete to clean our name.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:27 amTo a lot of them, raping children isn’t torture, it’s recreation.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amI hope this isn’t true.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:29 amrepublican leader rush limbaugh makes special pilgrimages in order to partake in that recreation
May 28th, 2009 at 11:29 amThe kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.
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I suppose it’s only a matter of time before conservatives begin circulating the talking point that this wasn’t torture, since consenting adults do this sort of thing all the time.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:30 amWow, makes you proud to be American, doesn’t it??
Damn you to hell, Bush and Cheney, damn you to hell for taking the country I was proud of and turning it into this…
May 28th, 2009 at 11:32 amWow. I am sickened, but sadly not surprised, by this news.
President Obama and AG Holder have absolutely no choice but to investigate and prosecute torture from those who authorized it to those who conducted it.
It is implausible that these were “a few bad apples” when the military governed by rules. Many in high places knew of these atrocities and either condoned them or chose to ignore them.
All in the name of “freedom.” Sick phucks.
PEACE
May 28th, 2009 at 11:37 amI weep for what America has become and because Obama has done little to right the foundering ship.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:38 amRumsfeld, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Addington, Gonzo, Ashcroft should all be hanging by their necks for their varied war crimes. It should be done along the mall in DC and their corpses should be left to rot as a message to the neocons. I would settle for a life sentence for Shrubby, though. Hard labor, no parole. He was a willing puppet but all roads lead directly to Cheney in both the torture crimes, his un-ending drive for a war-for-profit AND the treasonous outing of a covert CIA agent. NEVER AGAIN NEOCONS!
How’s THAT for liberal anger Billo?!
May 28th, 2009 at 11:39 amOK, now I can see not releasing those photos. There’s a point at which respecting the victim disallows openly publishing pictures of what was done to them; U.S. law explicitly forbids that where children are concerned.
This may be part of the reason why Obama just started a review of U.S. secrecy laws. He’d want to make sure his legal butt was covered before publicly putting out material like that.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:40 amAnd the republicans have the audacity to liken Obama to Hitler.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:41 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
CFP and the teabaggers will defend this as not really being rape or torture.
I’m curious to see the Yoo/Bybee memo on this one.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:44 amYeah but Clinton lied about a blowjob.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:44 amCheney rose from his bunker to try to control the torture debate. To force the media to focus on waterboarding because it was the least of these torture evils. But the power of the net is too strong for the old Nixon protege.
He’s going to lose. Big time.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:45 amI’m having a bit of trouble typing because the post has my stomach turning. The U.S. has a lot of apologizing to do for pushing its sexual deviancy on the rest of the world. I am … terrified that ever more carnage was done in our name.
What’s next, trolls? Tort reform?
May 28th, 2009 at 11:46 amTrolls? Where are you? Trolls?
May 28th, 2009 at 11:46 amNow I see why President Obama decided to wait for the courts to demand the release of these photos.
Also, if knowing this, President Obama allows the people who perpetuated these atrocities (not just the grunts) to go unpunished, then he needs to resign from humanity because no person with any humanity in them would allow something like this to go unpunished.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amHaven’t you heard, ElBruce? This is America, and apologizing is un-American. Keep the eye on the apple pie and baseball — support tort reform!
May 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amBBBBBBuh….but the anal raping saved lives! (The torture defender’s new mantra)
May 28th, 2009 at 11:49 ami was listening to some of thom hartmann’s show a day or 2 after obama stated he would not release these photos…
thom was talking about how HE WAS LOOKING AT the photos online, and had his producer (?) come in to look at them and comment…
she agreed – they were sickening…
how did HE find them? good lawd, i don’t want to look – and please DON’T post a link - but could they have been THESE photos?
May 28th, 2009 at 11:50 amI’ve thought and said it all along that we were using homo-sexual rape as torture to Moslems.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amNo pun intended, but our country sucks at times….and Obama needs to stop being an accessory and covering up criminal activity.
NoMoreBush Says:
So, how will the crazy right wingers defend this if true?
I suspect that the torture supporters will just stick to their, “If it might have saved an American life it was justified” thing, especially if there was even just a one in a googol chance that one person was their kid. The right has clamped on to that meme so tightly that I’m not sure it’s even possible to talk them down from it.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amIt becomes more apparent with each new revelation that Cheney was indeed the head of our government for eight years, not Bush.
This has Cheney stink all over it.
Investigate, prosecute, execute the appropriate sentence.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amPeople have to stop thinking of Bush/Cheney as incompetent and start thinking of them as evil.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:54 amCheney, “…the anal rape of the underage male detainee was absolutely the right thing to do! I have no regrets about any of my decisions. Don’t worry about the interpreter, though. He was determined to be gey so we kicked him out of the military. Anyways it was Bush who signed off on it. My daughter says I’m a great guy so leave me alone ok. Check me out tomorrow on “Yo Gabba Gabba”. I’l be entertaining the characters in the “dancy-dance” segment and will be defending our interrogation techniques with DJ Lance Rock. Peace out y’all…ps-President Obama is a bad, brown man and a danger to our security”
May 28th, 2009 at 11:57 amNext season on 24…
May 28th, 2009 at 11:59 amJust think how many other times it happened that weren’t photographed.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pmThis is disgusting to say the least. But guess what folks, torture didn’t start with Cheney. We’ve been torturing the sht out of people for hundreds of years. The Bush cabal simply took it to an extreme. Obama will reign in our torture and put it back in the shadows where it has always been.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm#
spring heeled jack Says:
People have to stop thinking of Bush/Cheney as incompetent and start thinking of them as evil.
Dude, I’ve been thinking/knowing that from day one.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pmWe need to apologize and just get out!!
May 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pmThis shouldn’t have ANYONE defending it, right or left. This is a serious criminal act that both sides should be condemning together. This shouldn’t be a topic for egging trolls; this should be a topic that demonstrates how some people operating these prisons are scum, not all of them.
I definitely want to see justice regarding this charge.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pmdon’t give the telegraph much credibility, it is truly a “rag”.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pmAny trolls to defend the indefensible?
CFP?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pmProud?
what scripture did Rumsfeld and Bush quote when this was reported??
May 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pmspring heeled jack Says:
People have to stop thinking of Bush/Cheney as incompetent and start thinking of them as evil.
AIO Says:
Dude, I’ve been thinking/knowing that from day one.
Ditto.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm…
hannity will volunteer to be raped
just to show it’s not torture.
:::
May 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmSpoken like a Fox News viewer.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pmC’mon out ConservativeoxymoronforProgress.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pmWhere’s your outrage on this one?
I guess rape is ok as long as it is performed by and isn’t happening to a republican
obamawipe$ Says:
apparently
You went to which law school?
***
wipey,
i knew we could count
on you to defend rape.
…
May 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pmTHEY WERE NOT CIC.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
More importantly, where were Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Oh yeah, they were ok with it and trying to cover it up.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pmobamawipe$
You went to any school?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
***
leading us into iraq?
no, that would be bush and neo-cons.
feeling frustrated, wipey?
:|
May 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pmGood question. I too would like to know why they didn’t attempt to put a stop to atrocities ordered by the war criminals in the Bush administration.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Nope, laughing my ass off at the stupidity and propaganda!
May 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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FYI – I’m still waiting for proof of your Obama/Chrysler allegations. Post it or admit that you are a liar.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmOnly you reich wingers could find humor in these stories.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmobamawipe$ Says:
feeling frustrated, obamawipe$?
Nope, laughing my ass off at the stupidity and propaganda!
****
ok.
so you’re laughing but you’re not frustrated.
..
the nurse will be by soon to change your bed pan.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pmTHIS IS WHY THE PICTURES NEED TO BE RELEASED. AND WHY THE VIDEOS WERE DESTROYED.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pmAnd I thought right-wingers didn’t have a sense of humor. Now we know that it is just different than that of normal people, and involves things like the rape of children.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pmHas anybody heard when these photos will be released?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pmWhere was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
In the minority. All the laws necessary were on the books to properly prevent and prosecute these heinous crimes, and the executive branch headed by George W. Bush dropped the ball in enforcing the law. You need to take responsibility for your reign of terror, because you’re coming off as supporting these heinous crimes by doing your reflexive finger-pointing.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pmobamawipe$ Says:
i knew we could count
on you to defend rape.
———
What “rape?”
***
obamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
***
what “this”?
:)
have you had your coffee yet?
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmobamawipe$ Says:
What “rape?”
The one where the translator is raping the kid.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI’ve already proven that particular scam incorrect, as has Nate Silver: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/news-flash-car-dealers-are-republicans.html
May 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pmThis from the conspiracy theorist who believes that Republican Chrysler dealers were targeted!
May 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pmobamawipe$ Says:
This post is proof you loons will believe anything you read or hear as long as it fits your divisive agenda.
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why?
:::
May 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pmHe can’t get over the horror of closed car dealerships enough to deal with the torture encouraged by his heroes Bush and Cheney.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pmobamawipe$ Says:
because you’re coming off as supporting these heinous crimes by doing your reflexive finger-pointing.
Oh, the hypocrisy!
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what “hypocrisy”?
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pmThere’s no longer a “post-9/11″ talking point for the trolls invective to absorb into, so obama$’s comments are notable.
They no longer have delusions of grandeur to fall back on, just piling evidence cornering them in. And they still think they’ve done everything right and owe nothing to nobody.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pmNate Silver has an impeccable record of accuracy in statistical analysis, beginning by accurately calling baseball games and then moving on to accurately predicting the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.
You can’t even get stuff that has already happened correct, much less predict the future.
So yeah, Nate is a more credible source than you.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
Okay, since the topic’s been changed to Congressmen that were not involved with this topic:
0$, what kind of car do you drive?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pmobamawipe$ Says:
nate silver/kos? LOL!
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still laughing?
chrysler?
:)
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmActually, I think we should divide you 20% deadenders from civilized society so you can’t hurt the humans.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmOS feels like he was raped because the dealership where he bought his Dodge Ram was closed down. /eyeroll
May 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmOk, here are the rape pix. Warning very graphic. There was a linked to them from Huffington Post.
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
If any of you who claim there was no torture, take a look and come back and if you have the stomach for it.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmThis abomination must be tried in the courts and not Congress or blurred ribbon committees. Obama becomes an enabler and reneges on his promises if the war criminals still in our permanent gov’t aren’t prosecuted. This is our president’s real test. If he fails he fails the people who put him in office. Suck it up and expose our darkest days so we can truly build a new and better place for our children to live in. If we don’t they will be butchered like so many rabbits by the enemies of this country. Unfortunately, they will use with some justification and sympathy from a watching world.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmNissan 350z (but usually I ride a motorcycle – Honda VTX1300)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pmOh, Pelosi knew they were raping prisoners? Please do tell us where you found this. I thought the news over the past month was about torture. And also, what car do you drive, 0$?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThere is only evidence that Pelosi was told that waterboarding might be used. And you teabaggers don’s believe that is torture.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pmmary lacewing Says:
I suspect that the torture supporters will just stick to their, “If it might have saved an American life it was justified”
They are going to have a very hard time explaining how raping a child might save American lives.
I don’t want these picture released. But I would like the content of them verified by our President. It will go a long way towards allowing Republics with a conscience to support prosecution of the Bush Crime Family.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThey forgot to mention the part where they dip the sticks in acid first.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pmobamawipe$ Says:
It’s amazing what a propagandist can do with photo shop.
You are one very sick human being. You are also forgetting that they don’t just have the pictures, they also have the negatives.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pmObamawipe,
You said; “You mean the “rape and torture” that pelosi knew about all along?”
If she knew, then she should be prosecuted as well. However, I doubt that even if she knew, that her knowing is illegal.
Why does it matter that she knew? Nice deflection. Torture is illegal and those who perpetrated the crimes ought to be investigated and tried if evidence warrants it. And that includes Pelosi if she broke the law. (Which I seriously doubt)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmIt’s amazing what a propagandist can do with photo shop.
I’ve loved the constant use of “loons,” to characterize people on here, and then we get this gem from the halfwit.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmtime to flag this disgusting troll off the island
May 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmobamawipe$ Says:
dirtyfeet, step away from the crack pipe, you’re making no sense.
The word “irony” was left out of this one’s dictionary.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmface it, people, Dick Cheney could rape obamawipe$ little sister live on TV and he would come up with some way to blame pelosi and obama for it
he’s a lonely, childish, small person with a need for attention
May 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pmobamawipe$ Says:
You mean the “rape and torture” that pelosi knew about all along?
Is this a new legal precedent or something?
I know what Pelosi knew last summer …
May 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Why are those pictures so grainy? Fake.
None so blind as those who don’t want to see.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pmThey had to rape children over there, so they didn’t have to rape children over here.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pmobamawipe$ Says:
It’s amazing what a propagandist can do with photo shop.
**
what photoshop?
**
btw wipey the software is called
“photoshop“. you conservatives have
to get with the computer age or you’ll
really get passed by.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmwhy are your thoughts so grainy?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmsnap, joe
May 28th, 2009 at 12:43 pmRantingTommy Says:
face it, people, Dick Cheney could rape obamawipe$ little sister live on TV and he would come up with some way to blame pelosi and obama for it
he’s a lonely, childish, small person with a need for attention
You are right and we are giving him what he wants.
Ok, let’s all start NOW and ignore this heinous troll. Sooner or later he will get bored with babbling to himself and to away.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:43 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Why are those pictures so grainy? Fake.
***
saith the propagandist.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmjonwisby Says:
don’t give the telegraph much credibility, it is truly a “rag”.
What about Maj Gen Taguba? Are you saying he didn’t actually say that, or was he lying? The general reputation of a news source isn’t relevant unless you’re suggesting that they would go so far as to fabricate an interview.
.
obamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
aka. “why didn’t you stop us?” That’s like blaming innocent bystanders for the murders you committed.
.
obamawipe$ Says:
What “rape?”
At the top of these webpages there are news stories which we’re commenting on further down. You should scroll up and read one sometime. Hint: none of them are about Chrysler.
.
obamawipe$ Says:
This post is proof you loons will believe anything you read or hear as long as it fits your divisive agenda.
The problem with that line of argumentation is this: what will you say when further evidence comes out? This is like the millionth time you’ve said “oh, it’s just lies and rumors” and were then disproved. You should know to try a different tack by now.
.
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APEC not OPEC Says:
Ok, here are the rape pix.
Holy crap. I didn’t realize they’d escaped into the net…
May 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmGood observation, Bilbo. I didn’t take issue with the president’s decision not to release the photos, though I disagreed with the contention that adding onto the already-released photos would put our troops at any risk higher than they presently face.
These photos are not more of the same, however, and probably would put our troops in more danger. They need to be sealed into evidence.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmWe understand him. He’s saying that people like you who are devoid of normal human emotion should be separated from society to keep the rest of us safe.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmwipey doesn’t think that anal penetration is rape, to him it’s recreation.
To each his own, but it sure sounds like rape to me.
But that sick fck would defend Cheney killing babies if that news came out. There is nothing that wipey would not defend that his Gods Bush and Cheney did, so just flag and ignore the puke.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Why are those pictures so grainy? Fake.
Photography is apparently another thing you know nothing about.
Photos taken in low light are grainy without a flash are grainy. Period. Get a clue.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmPurple State / Lavender Boy Says:
“0$, what kind of car do you drive?”
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/18/5a/2b/our-youngest-enjoying.jpg
May 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmJoe-
that’s probably why O’Reilly is upset with those bloggers. he can’t load most of them with his 1993 PC so full of viruses from all of the porn downloading. tech envy
May 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmHave you ever used a camera in the desert?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pmRealness Says:
snap, joe
…
it may look like wipey and i work together
because he sets me up so beautifully
but i swear i’ve never met him before
in my life.
***
never.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pmAPEC not OPEC Says:
Ok, here are the rape pix. Warning very graphic. There was a linked to them from Huffington Post.
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
I can’t look at it. I just can’t.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pmOh, the conservatives know very well how to use Photoshop.
Case in point.
Okay, okay. Before we get distracted too much, 0$, how did Pelosi know they were raping prisoners? And what car do you drive?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm.
Dear obamawipe$,
When you said, “post is proof you loons will believe anything you read or hear as long as it fits your divisive agenda,” of course you meant it isn’t about fixing the facts to fit around the policy, is it? Like Bush/Cheney did, is it?
Oh, and when you ask where the Democrats were on this issue when it was happening…
… You’ve forgotten that not only did the CIA lie to members of Congress, so was Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gonzales, Tenant, etc. So, where were you?
p.s.
You do realize that you’re a lame excuse for a Patriotic American…
… Who supports the violation of US Law, International Law and Treaties.
.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pmobamawipe$ Says:
They had to rape children over there, so they didn’t have to rape children over here.
I dare yopu to say that to a person in uniforms face, ok?
***
s/b “uniform’s”.
**
which uniform?
???
pssst,
stop making it so easy for me!
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pm.
Well the photos we’ve seen already showed such actions. We knew 4 years ago from the photos and the trials of such scum like “Lindsey England” that they were forcing the prisoners to rape one another.
That’s a fact that came out in a court of law, dumbass.
And we already know several soldiers have been tried, and found guilty on rape charges of Iraqi children (under the age of 18).
So what your statement shows is that you’re so inbred stupid, that even in the light of hard evidence, you’ll deny the facts before your very eyes in deference to the talking points handed to you by your “party”.
:|
The Nazi party.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmI dare yopu to say that to a person in uniforms face, ok?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pmHiding behind the troops? I suggest you get back to your game of battleship, white trash.
…
c4p missing?
odd.
:|
May 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Where was pelosi when this was supposedly happening? obama? biden? reid? kennedy?
May 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Where was George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Dennis Hastert, Ashcroft, etc?
F uck off, moron.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pmI agree that we should ignore this troll. He detracts from the discussion and his comments are completely useless. Instead, can someone find or draft a letter that we can send to the DOJ, Congressional reps, and White House to demand investigations and full disclosure of this torture issue once and for all? I think that would be helpful. Thanks!
May 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Why are those pictures so grainy? Fake.
If they had been done in photoshop, they wouldn’t be grainy.
But I’ll withhold certain judgement until this is confirmed by a more official source.
Doesn’t look good for your group though. You might want to watch what you say, because we may hold it against you later.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmDid you read the the Telegraph article where it says that soldiers were widely circulating these sexually graphic photos and then their luggage was searched and the pictures were confiscated. So ph uck YOU.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:53 pmWhy is this idiot troll still here? FLAG IT.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Photography is apparently another thing you know nothing about. Photos taken in low light are grainy without a flash are grainy. Period. Get a clue.
Come on. Maybe obamawipe$ prefers to enjoy rape pictures produced in a photographer’s studio, instead of this amateurish pictures.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:56 pm/snark
wow, you’d have to be one seriously scared person to support this kind of crap
I mean, what kind of coward would be frightened into believing torture and rape is the only thing keeping them safe?
Republicans support this.
Which leads one to the familiar conclusion:
May 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pmright wingers are frightened little cowards
You can use median and despeckle filters to easily take out graininess. Although, you can use noise to put it back in. There is still a difference between natural grain from a bad camera and photoshopped grain.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm****
folks let’s give wipey
some time to google some
gop/right wing rape talking points for us, ok?
…
May 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pmOn topic:
This makes me sick to my stomach. I can see why President Obama might not want to release the photos, but it appears the photos are floating around on the internet.
Obama’s only remaining option is to stop dancing around the topic of torture investigations, and appoint a Special Prosecutor to do a complete investigation. ALL parties involved must be prosecuted.
There is no “looking forward” on this. It is not an option.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pmIt’s not so easy to use the noise plugins to get a very realistic grain. It definitely wouldn’t help in covering up some sort of fakery.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pmOh, well. President Obama lied to cover up Bush administration crimes. A very big mistake that is likely to haunt his presidency.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm***
rob,
psd “grain” is uniform,
natural grain is random,
depending on light source
and film speed.
:\
May 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pmrmwarnick Says:
Oh, well. President Obama lied to cover up Bush administration crimes. A very big mistake that is likely to haunt his presidency.
***
hark,
the concern troll.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pmNeedless to say, this is the logical end of war- the actual effects of death and trauma on those with actual boots on the ground. What’s sad is that when those of us who care about this country want us to daylight this stuff, to be held accountable for our own mistakes- whatever party they may be found – it’s considered un-American by the right.
For such a veneer of family values, how interesting the right doesn’t like the lesson of dealing with the consequences of decisions that we all learned from our parents. Suppression of these photos and of real investigation into war crimes will be difficult for the country’s psyche, but there’s no way around it.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pmlol, CFP just HAS to find a way to put this in Obama’s lap
Kind of like the way he blames Obama for Cheney/Bush’s invasion of Iraq
Always the dishonest rube, aren’t you, CFP?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
If you believe this story, it means that Obama lied.
***
if the sun is shining, it isn’t raining.
:|
May 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmright wing radio must have just put out the “this means Obama lied” talking point
the unoriginal trolls come in here pretending to have a thought
May 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmRantingTommy Says:
lol, CFP just HAS to find a way to put this in Obama’s lap
Kind of like the way he blames Obama for Cheney/Bush’s invasion of Iraq
Always the dishonest rube, aren’t you, CFP?
***
cfp is a conservative.
they believe in responsibility.
…
for others.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pmhere’s a hint, CFP:
You guys should try to frame the talking points in your own words. That way it is much less obvious that you were just told what to think by the radio when more than one of you come in saying the same thing.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
If you believe this story, it means that Obama lied.
Yes, that’s the most important thing. That’s the only lesson we should all take away from this…
May 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm***
rt,
yeah i spotted that talking point too.
wipey’s slow cfp beat him to the punch.
***
May 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pmFirst, Zooey, your post @ 128 said it all and set it best.
Second, I have got to stop giving these trolls attention, no matter the level of my anger. Because that’s what drives me to respond, an immediate flash of anger upon reading each of their vile posts.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
If you believe this story, it means that Obama lied.
If it is true, then yes, Obama lied. It would also mean that members of the US Military, while under Bush’s command, raped children.
I think Children Rape is a far more heinous crime than Obama lying, so it’s strange that you skip over the former and focus on the latter.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pmRantingTommy Says:
here’s a hint, CFP:
You guys should try to frame the talking points in your own words. That way it is much less obvious that you were just told what to think by the radio when more than one of you come in saying the same thing.
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rt, don’t take their fun from them.
they like to think they’re original
in their thinking.
don’t spoil their dreams.
:)
May 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pmand then….
Could you guys be a little less obvious next time. You’re making it too easy.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmOh, well. President Obama lied to cover up Bush administration crimes. A very big mistake that is likely to haunt his presidency.
What will haunt his presidency is not moving for full independent investigation. This statement sounds a little obscuring of the real facts of who sanctioned the torture. I agree that Obama needs to better and more swiftly deal with everything, but it’s disingenuous to not even mention who’s fault it really was.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmI just like to ridicule trolls. It’s a sport. What they get out of it is really no concern.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
If you believe this story, it means that Obama lied.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
No thoughts on the rape of children?
How very telling…
May 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pmTo all trolls.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThe invasion of Iraq qualifies as the complete rape of a sovereign nation.
How freakin hard is it for you to get your mind around that?
It is becoming increasingly obvious from the decline in our trolls’ intellectual capacity over the last few months that home-schooling is simply a method that right wing parents use to prevent information about reality from interfering with the indoctrination of their children.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
First, Zooey, your post @ 128 said it all and set it best.
Second, I have got to stop giving these trolls attention, no matter the level of my anger. Because that’s what drives me to respond, an immediate flash of anger upon reading each of their vile posts.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Thanks, McWars.
Responding to a troll in anger gives away our power. I prefer to ridicule them, or point out their moral hypocrisy. :-D
May 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pmwow, CFP, you’d have a point if some of the photos hadn’t already been leaked and are on the web:
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
you lose again
how many times will the right wing corporate MSM have to lie to you before you stop trusting them?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
May 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
What if this was your daughter?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pmThey had to wait until they received their talking points at 1:00. Too funny.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pmZooey Says:
ConservativeForProgress Says:
If you believe this story, it means that Obama lied.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
No thoughts on the rape of children?
How very telling…
***
cfp will get to that point
as soon as someone else
thinks of it for him.
***
May 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pmWhat’s the the gist of that story, C4P? It’s a statement of denial by the PENTAGON. The Pentagon is hardly a credible party in any case. It’s obvious TP emphasis is on investigative journalism because it isn’t being done on an official level.
While everything is allegations and speculation from a legal prospective, the FACTS of the first set of photos- which included abuse, torture, humiliation, etc. leave little room for debate about rape. Or have you forgot those pics already?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pmRape is between a Christian man and a Christian woman. Stop trying to steal our sacred words!
May 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThis is probably just the subversives Cheney and Bush entrenched in agencies to do more harm after they were gone.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm>>>
cfp,
rape and conservatism,
why the link between the two?
…
May 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pmwow, CFP, amazing that you’d be shameless enough to come back here after being busted using radio fed bogus talking points
must be a masochist
May 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pmDon’t ask don’t tell my ASS!
May 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pmThis is from your link CFP.
I guess Whitman doesn’t know much. Although he should be questioned to find out if he’d seen the videos before they were destroyed.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm….
the shame and scorn that conservatism
has brought upon on country may be
too much for our republic to bear.
…
May 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
This is from your link CFP.
Whitman said he did not know if the Telegraph had quoted Taguba accurately. But he said he was not aware that any such photographs had been uncovered as part of the investigation into Abu Ghraib or abuses at other prisons.
I guess Whitman doesn’t know much. Although he should be questioned to find out if he’d seen the videos before they were destroyed.
***
why didn’t cfp tell
that side of the story?
:|
May 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pmtry reading the post at the top of the page
ask an adult to help you with the big words
May 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pmobamawipe$ Says:
No thoughts on the rape of children?
What children?
***
“welche kinder?”
- nuremberg, 1946
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May 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pmthe shame and scorn that conservatism
has brought upon on country may be
too much for our republic to bear.
Joe, you are so right.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThis is the light stuff, wait for the real story.
I thought as much – the torture supporters will now just refute that the kids raped qualify as ‘children’. Suggesting that if they’ve reached the magical ago of let’s say 17 then it was ok to rape them or something as seriously twisted.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:38 pmobamawipe$ Says:
They had to rape children over there, so they didn’t have to rape children over here.
I dare yopu to say that to a person in uniforms face, ok?
They’d be just as mad at Bush and Cheney as I am right now. Or are you referring to the people in uniform in those photos? I wouldn’t say that to them, they might rape me.
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ConservativeForProgress Says:
So, why didn’t TP publish this side of the story?
Maybe because the Pentagon denying things isn’t really news.
Also, Taguba was talking about what he saw with his own eyes, not what were in any specific photos. In either case, our soldiers raped people. It has been already demonstrated that everything they happened at Abu Ghraib was ordered by Dick Cheney through Condi Rice through the CIA.
I’ve mentioned previously that rape would be considered legal if you go by the Yoo/Bybee “pain equivalent to organ failure or death” memo, which means they were problably doing that. Now we know that they are.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pmmary lacewing Says:
I thought as much – the torture supporters will now just refute that the kids raped qualify as ‘children’. Suggesting that if they’ve reached the magical ago of let’s say 17 then it was ok to rape them or something as seriously twisted.
***
the philosophy of conservatism,
“right for me
but not for thee”
…
May 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pmI guess this makes it official. The wingnuts have finally moved on from blaming everything the Bush administration did on Bill Clinton.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pmDamn I’m glad someone gets this.
Well said Joe. Well said.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pmobamawipe$ Says:
What children?
Does 14 count?
Warning, don’t click that link if you don’t want your stomach turned over.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pmIt’s such an easy and logical path here.
1) White Americnas are brought up to think they are the best, exceptional, blah blah blah….. They are taught non-whites are, at best, second-class and, at worst, sub-human animals.
2) 9/11 happens. There is legitimate outrage, but it starts morphing into a general hate for “those brown people with the weird religion”. A mob mentality overtakes the nation.
3) The military plays up all the elements–American exceptionalism, the “ragheads”, etc… to get troops to hate “the enemy”.
4) Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and others support and promote corporate influence into military matters. Honor, duty, and the UCMJ become “options” rather than the norm.
If anybody wants to start on me about liberal blah blah blah…..tree hugger blah blah blah….. be advised I was in the Marines for 10 years.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pmI feel soiled just reading posts from torture and rape defenders.
Maybe C4P and wipey could get together to rape and torture each other, but we don’t need to see their vile shit spewed here.
Flag early and often.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pmWhat was on those videotapes that was so horrendous they needed to be destroyed while this type of abuse was widely circulated among the troops?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pmThank you for your service cdwriteme. I wish you could meet CFP and OS in person.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
I don’t condone rape. I condemn it. But I question the authenticity of the blurry, grainy pictures you so eagerly post, and your motives in posting them.
**
of course,
what else can you do?
:::
May 28th, 2009 at 1:58 pmTruth CFP, truth is the motive.
I know that is a foreign concept to those whose end game is purely political but give it a try.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:01 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Of course, if there were one or more isolated incidents of rape, there is a good chance the rape was committed by a soldier who voted Democratic, following Bill Clinton’s lead.
***
obamawipe$ Says:
I dare yopu to say that to a person in uniforms face, ok?
**
you two neo-cons can argue
this one out in hell.
:\
May 28th, 2009 at 2:08 pm::
I see the 2 child-rape-supporting right wingers are still here trying to deflect blame from Cheney/Bush
So pathetic
May 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Of course, if there were one or more isolated incidents of rape, there is a good chance the rape was committed by a soldier who voted Democratic, following Bill Clinton’s lead.
Still plumbing the depths of conservative moralism, I see.
Carry on.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pmA$$wipe
Havent you killed yourself yet? The world is waiting. It expects you to do the right thing. Rid this Earth of your stench. Just go kill yourself
May 28th, 2009 at 2:22 pmIsn’t the rape of the child, the same sort of conduct that O’Reilley said the kid stayed with the molestor for because the kid liked it ?
New neocon talking point. Rape is fun.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:22 pmThis isnt really a new revelation. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said the photos HE saw depicted Rape and Murder
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main616338.shtml
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, “The American public needs to understand we’re talking about rape and murder here. we’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience.”
May 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
So, why didn’t TP publish this side of the story?
May 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
____________
They did, liar.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pm….
gene,
wipey doesn’t have to kill himself.
he’s safe and alone sitting in his mom’s basement.
he’s not hurting anyone but himself.
leave him alone with his fear and his online porno.
***
wipey,
please stop picking your nose.
thank you.
:\
May 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pmNew neocon talking point. Rape is fun.
We’ve moved on. No longer is one encouraged to just lie back and enjoy it, as previous conservatives have suggested. Now when raped, one must divulge everything one knows – or just make stuff up until they stop.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAgain, I know I’m in the minority on this but I’m still glad, now especially, that they haven’t been released. I know what it’s like to be sexually assaulted and trust me, there are so many feelings of guilt, shame etc. that I can’t really put into words. It would kill me if there were pictures of my rape being circulated.
The important thing is they get used as evidence. I’m all for the truth coming out but these poor men were tortured enough without having it plastered everywhere. I’m just remembering how I felt (though my situation was different) and how much shame I had to endure and I can’t imagine how humilated these men must have been or might still be.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Of course, if there were one or more isolated incidents of rape, there is a good chance the rape was committed by a soldier who voted Democratic, following Bill Clinton’s lead.
And we’re the hateful ones? You’re a pig for even suggesting something like this. There’s no excuse.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pmIt would kill me if there were pictures of my rape being circulated.
Were you in custody when it happened? I think the different circumstances require some sort of official acknowledgement, or these guys won’t get closure, and will harbor festering resentment.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pmThey say jumping off a 100 story building is an exhilarating experience…for the first 99 1/2 stories.
It would appear that our little troll buddies are in that last 5 feet of free fall.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pmIt would kill me if there were pictures of my rape being circulated.
Were you in custody when it happened? I think the different circumstances require some sort of official acknowledgement, or these guys won’t get closure, and will harbor festering resentment.
I just said my situation was different. There does need to be acknowledgement which again I said. As long as they get used as evidence against the people who did it then that’s what matters.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Of course, if there were one or more isolated incidents of rape, there is a good chance the rape was committed by a soldier who voted Democratic…
That’s what you got? You are filth. These “techniques” were ordered by the Bush White house. And I have a feeling that the perpetrators were much more aligned with wingnuts – “everything changed after 9/11!” – than with any reasonable entities.
.
kdgamergirl Says:
Again, I know I’m in the minority on this but I’m still glad, now especially, that they haven’t been released. I know what it’s like to be sexually assaulted and trust me, there are so many feelings of guilt, shame etc. that I can’t really put into words. It would kill me if there were pictures of my rape being circulated.
This is a good point, and it might have something to do with why Obama is reviewing the relevant law instead of releasing them – there is such a thing as victims’ rights.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pmConservativePUNK
There is a 100% chance that you are an ignorant piece of filth and a stupid punkass troll. Why are you so proud to be so stupid?
May 28th, 2009 at 3:03 pmCFP, you could have stopped your response after the I don’t think. And you could also add, I don’t feel since it is obvious you are incapable of any sort of empathy or respect. You react with political crap.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:09 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
I don’t think it was “exhilarating” for the 9/11 victims who fell 100 stories to their death.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
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Do you have proof of this?
May 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
That updated was added after my post, probably due to my post. Please try to pay more attention.
May 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
____________
This doesn’t change the fact that your previous statement was a lie. Now either retract your previous statement, or admit to being a liar.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
I admit that chiroptera toasterhead is a liar.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
__________
Do you have proof of this?
May 28th, 2009 at 3:24 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
That updated was added after my post, probably due to my post. Please try to pay more attention.
Yes, indeed, CFP is so influential. Put this one alongside the troll’s approval of Sotomayor’s confirmation.
Jeeze, talk about a bloated ego. . .
May 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
I don’t think it was “exhilarating” for the 9/11 victims who fell 100 stories to their death.
I don’t get it – are you trying to justify raping children with this?
May 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pmElBruce Says:
ConservativeForProgress Says:
I don’t think it was “exhilarating” for the 9/11 victims who fell 100 stories to their death.
I don’t get it – are you trying to justify raping children with this?
It is called misdirection. By holding up the wrongs done to Americans they believe it justifies Americans doing whatever is ‘needed’ to revenge the wrong.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:42 pmCFP and his ilk feel that they would be perfectly justified in burning down the neighbor’s house, raping the neighbor’s wife and daughter, spreading gas over the lawn and roasting the neighbor’s dog on the BBQ if said dog crapped in their yard.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:47 pmQuick question for everyione. Given the black eye the abuses at Abu Ghraib and GITMO has caused the US and the fact that they have been used as a recruiting tool for extremeists in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you support the release of these photos, if they do exsist, knowing that they could rally more people to the extremist cause and potentially endange US troops further? And if so what do you think would be accomplished by the release of these photos?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
No, Hoodathunktick was trying to argue that the first 99 1/2 floors of the 9/11 victims’ fall was “exhilerating,” and toasterhead challenged me to prove otherwise. Disgusting.
Except he wasn’t talking about 9/11 victims. You’re the one who brought that up.
BTW, this thread is about the Bush/Cheney White House ordering Abu Ghraib guards to rape children. Maybe your “disgust” should be directed elsewhere…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:05 pmCP Says:
Quick question for everyione. Given the black eye the abuses at Abu Ghraib and GITMO has caused the US and the fact that they have been used as a recruiting tool for extremeists in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you support the release of these photos, if they do exsist, knowing that they could rally more people to the extremist cause and potentially endange US troops further?
Yes. While the pictures might inflame people in the short term, the fact that we’re honestly dealing with it will reduce hatred against the U.S. in the long term. Unless we rip off the band-aid’s, justifiable anti-U.S. sentiment will continue to simmer forever.
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CP Says:
And if so what do you think would be accomplished by the release of these photos?
Justice.
Great questions, thanks.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pm…and as usual the WH is denying these photos of the USA’s TORTURE PROGRAM depict such abuses. They deny it but do not release the photos…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pmAs usual the WH LIES. And this WH burries its head in the sand and hope an issue of this magnitute and importance (WAR CRIMES, AMERICA’S WAR CRIMES) will go away…
Babaca (portuguese word!) Obama, this will not go away. The US will not ‘move foward’ if the responsible people for War Crimes are not held accountable. Keep on denying the release of these photos! Keep on covering up for the Bush administration (Since you are actually using and enhancing MANY of their policies). Keep on wasting valuable resources that has been draining the US’s economy on Afegahnistan and Iraq. Keep on killing in Pakistan… these are your Wars now Mr. Obama! Babaca Obama!
If the Pentagon, the CIA and the WH are so quick to deny such abuses took place and are refusing to release these photos, you can bet your bottom dollar it happened as it was described in the British Telegraph!
May 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pmHoodathunktick Says:
They say jumping off a 100 story building is an exhilarating experience…for the first 99 1/2 stories.
It would appear that our little troll buddies are in that last 5 feet of free fall.
Hoodathunktick Says:
CFP and his ilk feel that they would be perfectly justified in burning down the neighbor’s house, raping the neighbor’s wife and daughter, spreading gas over the lawn and roasting the neighbor’s dog on the BBQ if said dog crapped in their yard.
Hmmmm, no mention of 9/11 in either post. No reference to 9/11 in the thread.
You want disgust, CFP, it is in your constant attempt to misdirect everything so that the horror of 9/11 can justify your pitiful need to justify the horrors of rape and torture by the US under your psychotic buddies.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
No, Hoodathunktick was trying to argue that the first 99 1/2 floors of the 9/11 victims’ fall was “exhilerating,” and toasterhead challenged me to prove otherwise. Disgusting.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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I did no such thing.
You stated, and I quote:
I asked you for proof that you don’t think this was an exhilarating experience for them. Not for proof that it was not an exhilarating experience for them.
I find it interesting that you made the mental leap to such a disgusting conclusion. But not surprising, since you were the one who suggested it in the first place.
You owe the victims of 9/11 and their families a very sincere apology, CFP.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmCP Says:
Quick question for everyione. Given the black eye the abuses at Abu Ghraib and GITMO has caused the US and the fact that they have been used as a recruiting tool for extremeists in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you support the release of these photos, if they do exsist, knowing that they could rally more people to the extremist cause and potentially endange US troops further?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
_____________
Yes.
The troops who raped 15-year-old Iraqi detainees should’ve thought about these consequences before they raped 15-year-old Iraqi detainees.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
No, Hoodathunktick was trying to argue that the first 99 1/2 floors of the 9/11 victims’ fall was “exhilerating,”
He’s rolling around in 9/11 survivor’s sorrow, and trying to prove he’s not a torture apologist.
Sad little man.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:39 pmQuick question for everyione. Given the black eye the abuses at Abu Ghraib and GITMO has caused the US and the fact that they have been used as a recruiting tool for extremeists in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you support the release of these photos, if they do exsist, knowing that they could rally more people to the extremist cause and potentially endange US troops further?
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May 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pmAbsolutely. Let the world see that we believe in the values we endlessly preach to others about. City on a hill? After they are released the nation should than accept full responsibility and apologize and seek forgiveness upon the world stage. It is sort of the same advice we give our children when they screw up…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Okay, so I’m enjoying my day off, when I come across this $hit.
I am completely disgusted by these accusations and pictures.
Didn’t think I could be anymore disgusted.
Until obamawipe$ and CFP actually defends it.
Rape and sodomy is NOT defendible, you mucking forons!
And yet, here you are, making light of it.
NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
I am usually a pacifist, but today, as the anger enrages in my blood, I really wish I could meet you two, face to face.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pmI really do.
It wouldn’t be pretty (for you) , and I’d probably be in jail.
There’s nothing so vile that our trolls won’t defend it. Tell me, trolls, how does it feel to see people become nauseated when they see you approach? What’s it like to have people shrink from your touch?
It must be a damn awful way to live.
May 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pm______
chiroptera toasterhead Says:
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CP Says:
Quick question for everyione. Given the black eye the abuses at Abu Ghraib and GITMO has caused the US and the fact that they have been used as a recruiting tool for extremeists in Iraq and Afghanistan, would you support the release of these photos, if they do exsist, knowing that they could rally more people to the extremist cause and potentially endange US troops further?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
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Yes.
The troops who raped 15-year-old Iraqi detainees should’ve thought about these consequences before they raped 15-year-old Iraqi detainees.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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So those who are serving in our military now, and who would probably suffer if the photos were released, be damned. We can just tell them that the scum who authorized and carried out the torture are to blame. That’ll make it more tolerable for our soldiers who are innocent to accept their own torture.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pmThe photos can and should be used to punish the guilty. No one else needs to see the photos. And why would anyone want to see such a thing if they didn’t need to?
I don’t want to see the pictures, but I would like to hear some explanations for why these pictures were taken. Taking them as trophies is some serious pathological s*it.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pmSorry if I’m repeating…
1. Rape has very little to do with Sex. It’s about power, and, in these cases, torture.
2. The ARVIN used barbed wire up the butt to torture VC Prisoners – we probably used barbed also.
3. “None of the photos in question depict the images that are described in that article,” – the Pentagaon’s quote. IN QUESTION is important here. They don’t say photos of these things don’t exsist, just that these photos aren’t them.
And now I need to go throw up. God help us!
May 28th, 2009 at 6:57 pmHow did this great nation get the notion that we do not have to suffer the consequences of our actions? Every time I turn around, we seem to be covering up for or bailing out some creep that committed some crime. How about we start accepting responsibility for our actions and those done in our name? Yeah, OUR name. The American People. We have to accept the consequences if our combat troops go off the rails. You don’t just get to pick out all the warm fuzzy nation building and discard the rape and torture. It’s ALL ours. Every time someone with a little American flag on their sleeve does something, it is on our behalf. For good and for bad. The sooner we take a good hard look at what we allow to be done in the name of the richest, most powerful people on the planet, the better.
And, for Pete’s sake, STOP trying to use what “they” did to us on 9/11 as justification for torture. It has not a damn thing to do with how we should be acting as the beacon of the free world. If we even have the gall to call ourselves that anymore.
May 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pmOh, and PS: If this wasn’t ordered from above, where the HELL were these people’s commanding officers?!
May 28th, 2009 at 8:21 pmupright left Says:
So those who are serving in our military now, and who would probably suffer if the photos were released, be damned. We can just tell them that the scum who authorized and carried out the torture are to blame. That’ll make it more tolerable for our soldiers who are innocent to accept their own torture.
Here’s something you don’t understand about “the troops” – they’re by and large decent people. I’m sure they’d want this information exposed and the perpetrators properly brought to justice. And if that means that they’re subject to slightly more risk in the short term, then so be it. Their job is to accept personal risk in defense of the principles America is founded on. I trust them to do it, and I appreciate that they’re willing to. So quit playing the coward on their behalf. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t thank you.
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upright left Says:
The photos can and should be used to punish the guilty. No one else needs to see the photos. And why would anyone want to see such a thing if they didn’t need to?
I pretty much agreed with that point above – but not out of concern for the “troops” so much as concern for the victims. Forgot about those, didn’t ya?
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Crazy Cricket Cat Lady Says:
“None of the photos in question depict the images that are described in that article,” – the Pentagaon’s quote. IN QUESTION is important here. They don’t say photos of these things don’t exsist, just that these photos aren’t them.
Exactly (actually all 3 points were great, thx) – it’s very likely that that Pentagon flack was talking about a very specific set of photos and comparing them to descriptions of other photos. “The pics I’ve seen didn’t sound like that. They were totally different rape pictures.”
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juliec0211 Says:
How about we start accepting responsibility for our actions and those done in our name? Yeah, OUR name. The American People.
That’s the thing that really rankles me too. I mean, if America isn’t going to actually be good guys, then why bother having democracy at all?
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juliec0211 Says:
Oh, and PS: If this wasn’t ordered from above, where the HELL were these people’s commanding officers?!
I believe the White House is already on record as having ordered everything that went on at Abu Ghraib.
May 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pmI find it interesting that so many posters are so outraged by the rape of men and boys (and we should all be outraged) – but the pictures posted in the link above show the gang rape of an Iraqi woman by what appears to be 4 – 5 soldiers including the photographer.
Has the rape of women become so “normal” that it can’t illicit the same outrage?
This torture – was signed off on by Rummy with full knowledge of bush and darth “the dark side” cheney. They ordered it, they knew about it and they got off on the photos and videos. Shame on America!
May 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pmSpeaking only for myself, I find all the acts to be unspeakably vile and don’t distinguish between them. Nor do I distinguish between the perpetrators and those who ordered the atrocities.
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ElBruce Says:
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upright left Says:
So those who are serving in our military now, and who would probably suffer if the photos were released, be damned. We can just tell them that the scum who authorized and carried out the torture are to blame. That’ll make it more tolerable for our soldiers who are innocent to accept their own torture.
Here’s something you don’t understand about “the troops” – they’re by and large decent people. I’m sure they’d want this information exposed and the perpetrators properly brought to justice. And if that means that they’re subject to slightly more risk in the short term, then so be it. Their job is to accept personal risk in defense of the principles America is founded on. I trust them to do it, and I appreciate that they’re willing to. So quit playing the coward on their behalf. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t thank you.
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upright left Says:
The photos can and should be used to punish the guilty. No one else needs to see the photos. And why would anyone want to see such a thing if they didn’t need to?
I pretty much agreed with that point above – but not out of concern for the “troops” so much as concern for the victims. Forgot about those, didn’t ya?
May 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
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I didn’t think it was necessary to point out that our military consists mainly of good people. I assumed that was common knowledge. In your first comment, you say they’d want the perps brought to justice even if it increases risk to themselves. It would seem from that comment that you’re implying that I disagree with prosecutions. Of course, you know that isn’t true since you later copied my comment in which I said the photos should be used for prosecutions. The photos don’t have to be made public in order to be used in prosecutions. Why take the extra step to make them public and subject our military to “slightly more risk in the short term” if it’s unnecessary. I realize that they volunteered for the job, but that doesn’t mean they want their lives to be put at risk just so everyone gets to see some gruesome photos.
As for your second comment, you copied my statement saying the photos should be used for prosecutions and wondering why anyone would want to see such photos if they didn’t need to. Then you said you agreed, but not out of concern for the troops. My statement didn’t concern the troops, but the need for prosecution. Then you suggested that I had forgotten the victims. If I had, I certainly wouldn’t see any need for prosecutions. Your comment is senseless.
May 28th, 2009 at 11:38 pmupright left Says:
It would seem from that comment that you’re implying that I disagree with prosecutions. Of course, you know that isn’t true since you later copied my comment in which I said the photos should be used for prosecutions. The photos don’t have to be made public in order to be used in prosecutions. Why take the extra step to make them public and subject our military to “slightly more risk in the short term” if it’s unnecessary.
I was specifically pointing out that I believe your concern is misplaced. If do feel the need to we keep the photos private, it should not be about concern for our troops. That’s a non-issue.
Besides, the photos are starting to surface on the internet anways. Therefore “publicizing” them from the White House would merely constitute acknowledgement of their authenticity, which I think would be a good idea.
We clearly agree that prosecutions are necessary in either case.
May 29th, 2009 at 1:16 amPROSECUTION NOW!
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